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Should Entertainers Stick to Entertaining? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: It coated my soul to talk about this wonderful woman
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  Speaker 1: and the gift that she was from God, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: to us to remind us of how good we can be.
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  Speaker 1: I just thoroughly enjoyed it. And you and I did–
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  Speaker 1: I particularly replayed– I put up an excerpt of you
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  Speaker 1: and me on the podcast yesterday, our tribute to Dolly
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  Speaker 1: on Eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I started it, watched the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I was moved again by us talking about it,
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  Speaker 1: and I was there for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: There was a very funny satirical— not funny, but a guy
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  Speaker 2: that does satire, kind of in the Babylon Bee spirit
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  Speaker 2: of things, but he wrote an article. Historians confirm today
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  Speaker 2: that Dolly Parton has become the first major American celebrity
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  Speaker 2: ever to die without the public knowing exactly what she
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  Speaker 2: thought about Donald Trump, abortion, Gaza, transgender athletes, immigration, or
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  Speaker 2: the latest thing everyone was screaming about on Twitter. This
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  Speaker 2: is unprecedented. said pop culture historian Marcus Whitmore. We have
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  Speaker 2: thousands of hours of interviews, decades of public appearances, countless songs,
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  Speaker 2: and somehow we don't know who she voted for. Scholars
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  Speaker 2: may spend generations trying to understand how she pulled that off.
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  Speaker 2: There was a clip, Mark, that did go, that wasn't satire.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was from CBS, maybe ABC, but one
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  Speaker 2: of the network guys was trying to get her to
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  Speaker 2: diss on Trump. And this was shortly after the Access
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood tape. And she said, you know what? I got
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  Speaker 2: opinions about everything and everyone. But if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: ask me, I ain't going to answer. She said, because
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  Speaker 2: you know what? I just love everybody. I mean, she
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  Speaker 2: just always deflected. And her reason was simple. And it
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  Speaker 2: was what celebrities used to believe in the 80s and 90s.
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  Speaker 2: That you know what? We're here to entertain. We're not
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  Speaker 2: here to give you our opinions about politics. Because guess what?
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  Speaker 2: We're going to turn off a big chunk of our
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  Speaker 2: paying customers. And they don't seem to care about that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the video of Glenn Close? Oh, my.
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  Speaker 2: I did. Oh, Mark. I know. Well, number one, God
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  Speaker 2: bless aging, and we're all aging, and I got issues.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen.
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  Speaker 1: Her in a few years. Amazing actress. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: natural and— Well, she hates Trump. She's got TDS.
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  Speaker 2: TDS. Every day, she's bagging on Trump. Every day, she's
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  Speaker 2: attacking conservatives, and she's in some— like wilderness somewhere. She's
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  Speaker 2: in this giant field with a camera like real close,
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  Speaker 2: not a stitch of makeup on, which is fine. That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know how old she is. She's 79.
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  Speaker 2: Give her some latitude. Well, she only looks 99, and
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  Speaker 2: there she is. And she's doing this weird selfie video.
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  Speaker 2: But imagine posting this and thinking when you attack– Trump
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  Speaker 2: and conservatives all day long. And then you post something
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  Speaker 2: like that. You don't think you're going to get any flack.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, I'm breathing. I'm wearing my mama's shirt. I'm
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  Speaker 2: all the wind here. I'm home. I'm calming down. And
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  Speaker 2: she looks like like like a demon. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: scary looking. It's like, Glenn, lady, what are you thinking here?
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  Speaker 2: So we don't care about who Glenn Close voted for.
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  Speaker 2: Just give us your entertaining best. Why do they think
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  Speaker 2: they got to do it?
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? Because I harmonize with
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  Speaker 1: everything you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But here's why I'm never going to be a shut
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  Speaker 1: up and sing, shut up and dribble, shut up and
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  Speaker 1: act person. Because if I go after the Glenn Closes
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  Speaker 1: and the Rosie O'Donnells and just the virulent, toxic people
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  Speaker 1: who make me crazy, then that means I have to
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  Speaker 1: tell my friend Ted Nugent to shut up. It means
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  Speaker 1: I have to– But you know what?
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  Speaker 2: He should. I'm sorry. No, no, no. No, be consistent.
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  Speaker 2: I am consistent. Be consistent. Well, I'm consistent. I want
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  Speaker 2: Ted Nugent to get up there and entertain us on stage.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a good world. That's not the best world.
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  Speaker 2: You know why? You know why? Because you agree with
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  Speaker 2: Ted Nugent. That's the only reason.
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  Speaker 1: My point exactly, which is why– Aren't you– and I
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  Speaker 1: guess you're not– energized by, heartened by the occasional person
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  Speaker 1: from the culture, the Kelsey Grammer.
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  Speaker 2: No! B. Frazier. I mean, you know what? Because guess what?
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  Speaker 2: Guess what? I want Ted Nugent to have this fabulously
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  Speaker 2: successful career. Why should he alienate half of his paying customers?
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't care. But be consistent. I am consistent. It's
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  Speaker 2: a business model. And you are too. I am sure.
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  Speaker 2: You're darn right I am. It's a business model. It's
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  Speaker 2: two sides of the consistency coin. We're paid to give opinions.
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  Speaker 2: Ted Nugent and Glenn Close are not. Get up and
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  Speaker 2: shut up and sing. That's exactly the right phrase. Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: You're inconsistent. Dude, you're listening to what I'm saying? You're inconsistent.
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  Speaker 2: My consideration is let everybody talk. Let the lefties back off.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'll either ignore them or respond to them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to live in an America where Ted
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  Speaker 2: Nugent is muzzled. I just don't. It's not about muzzling.
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  Speaker 2: It's not muzzling anybody. It's about just we all ought
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  Speaker 2: to be in our lanes. Their lane is entertainment and
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  Speaker 2: show business. But they're human beings. They're human beings. With
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  Speaker 2: huge platforms. Yes. So use them. It's a free country.
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  Speaker 2: It's a free country. And guess what? And guess what?
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  Speaker 2: And just like we think people on the left who
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  Speaker 2: are entertainers are stupid, that's what people on the left
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  Speaker 2: think that of Ted Nugent. They think he's a moron.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't care less than he is. He couldn't care less.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? Rosie O'Donnell can't care less either. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And neither do I. And I don't care about her.
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  Speaker 2: And I somehow live my life. I just think these
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  Speaker 2: people are idiots for blowing up half their audience when
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  Speaker 2: they've got a great gig. And incidentally, I noticed they
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  Speaker 2: only spout off after they become rich and famous. They
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  Speaker 2: ain't doing it on the way up. They don't do
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  Speaker 2: it on the way up. Well, that's right. But they could.
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  Speaker 2: But they could.
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  Speaker 1: There's one addendum because in a way there's– one of
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  Speaker 1: these things are not like the other.
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  Speaker 2: Some people have a brand, Ted in particular. His whole
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  Speaker 2: brand is conservative, rebel guitar guy. Rosa Parks with a
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  Speaker 2: guitar in the middle finger.
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  Speaker 1: But if you really are– if you are a Taylor Swift–
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  Speaker 1: or if you are a Glenn Close, or where you
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  Speaker 1: really seem to be offering yourself up. If you're Springsteen,
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  Speaker 1: where you've got fan base filled with everybody, then there
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  Speaker 1: is something that seems a little counterintuitive and self-damaging about
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  Speaker 1: alienating half of your fans.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, but you are right. I mean, ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: you are correct, because if they want to blow up
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  Speaker 2: half their audience, that's up. That's on them. If they
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  Speaker 2: want to invite people to boycott their shows and refuse
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  Speaker 2: to spend money. That's my favorite. That's my favorite. Somebody says,
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  Speaker 2: don't buy my records. OK, gladly. Don't threaten me with
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  Speaker 2: a good time. Don't go to see my movies. I'm
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  Speaker 2: already following your guys. No kidding. No kidding. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to convince me. Don't twist my arm. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: stupid enough to believe if I made a living at something,
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  Speaker 2: I'd want to be good at that. And what I'd
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  Speaker 2: want to be good at is selling tickets. And incidentally,
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  Speaker 2: that brings us back to Dolly. That was Dolly's whole belief.
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  Speaker 2: There's no reason that I should alienate anybody. I love everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I want everybody to love me. Shut up and sing.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what, my friend Mark Davis? That's what Dolly did.
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  Speaker 2: She shut up and she sang and she gave and
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  Speaker 2: she loved and she was an amazing, amazing person.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about her library and all the grandiose, magnificent,
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  Speaker 1: world-changing things she did. And yet many of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: moments yesterday were spent With little moments, little clips of
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  Speaker 1: her doing little things. She was on a British talk
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  Speaker 1: show with a guy named Graham Norton. You ever seen
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  Speaker 1: him in interviews?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Sure. I've seen him.
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  Speaker 1: And he's sitting there in studio with Graham Norton. And
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  Speaker 1: he says, Dolly, do me a favor. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: call somebody. We have a number of somebody who fancies
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  Speaker 1: herself a really good Dolly Parton impersonator. Somebody in America.
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  Speaker 1: They call this woman up. She goes, hi, how are you? Hello, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: It's Graham Norton in the UK. I wonder if we
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  Speaker 1: could have a word with you because we understand you're
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good Dolly Parton person. I think I do
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. And she said, well, we have someone with
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  Speaker 1: us here as well who says she's pretty good at
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  Speaker 1: doing Dolly Parton. Could you listen to her and give
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  Speaker 1: her some pointers and see if you think that she's
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  Speaker 1: doing it? So it's actual Dolly Parton. They haven't told
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  Speaker 1: the woman on the phone. And Dolly says, just being her,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't put on any affectation, just says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in her sweet little lilt, that Tennessee lilt, Says, hi, ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: there's some people who say that I do her pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: And the lady on the phone from I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where in America says, well, you're pretty good, but I
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  Speaker 1: think I got the accent better.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody just busts out. It was so, so, so wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: There was also a case where she participated literally in
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  Speaker 2: Nashville in a Dolly Parton lookalike contest. She win? She win. No.
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  Speaker 2: And she lost to a drag queen. She lost to
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  Speaker 2: a drag queen. Lost to a dude. Yep. She lost
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  Speaker 2: to a drag queen, and she came in second. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we had some fun yesterday sort of bellowing about this
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  Speaker 2: big meta decision, and I got a great take from
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  Speaker 2: somebody online. I finally tracked down where the money's going.
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  Speaker 2: So you got... And it turned out it was like
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  Speaker 2: 48 states, the only two states that didn't participate. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was 29. It was 48 states represented by
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  Speaker 2: 29 attorneys general. And they sued Meta because they said,
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  Speaker 2: you're making our kids addicted to social media. And, of course,
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  Speaker 2: you and I both kind of agreed. How about parents
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  Speaker 2: be parents? But where's the money going? All this billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars, which is chump change. Texas is going to
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  Speaker 2: be rich. to get a billion. Our state and tech,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get a billion. Who gets that? Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know who gets it? The funds go to
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  Speaker 2: the state attorneys general for their designated uses. Youth programs,
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  Speaker 2: mental health service. Oh, yeah, really? So the government gets
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  Speaker 2: more money to use for fraud and waste. Great idea.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you have a really awesome attorney general. In Texas,
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General Ken Paxson and soon-to-be Attorney General Mays Middleton
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  Speaker 1: will probably use it, probably use that money to shut
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  Speaker 1: down hospitals doing sex changes for minors.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's one part. That's going to be one part.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to be one part of it, but there's
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  Speaker 2: 47 other states that aren't going to be as smart
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  Speaker 2: as Texas. This is the dumbest story, and we get
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  Speaker 2: all excited. Oh, look. Oh, we're finally protecting the children.
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  Speaker 2: We got the kids. And Mark Zuckerberg is saying– $ 16 million? Billion?
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  Speaker 2: That's our lunch money. That's nothing. That's nothing. All right.
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  Speaker 2: I got to bail a little early because I got
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  Speaker 2: an important phone call. Life is intruding in M &
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  Speaker 2: M Extras, so an M & M experience. So I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I got to call it a day. I got to
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  Speaker 2: love you. I'll see you at the podcast. Will you
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  Speaker 2: reveal later what this was about? No, it's just a call.
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  Speaker 2: I got to do a business call about something. Oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. That's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got
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  Speaker 2: to get out about a minute or two early. I apologize. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's perfectly all right. That will be now. So I
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  Speaker 2: leave you to your call. Go right ahead. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: I love you.
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you in podcast land a little later on.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait. Eminem Extra, Apple, Spotify, wherever you get
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  Speaker 2: your podcasts. We'll see you there. Love you, my friend.