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The Late Debate | 9 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Base.
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  Speaker 2: Well thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James macpherson with Freylitch and Caleb Bond. And before we
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  Speaker 2: get into things tonight, some good news to you Freyer.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations I got to say on your husband being elected
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  Speaker 2: the federal president of the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, James.
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  Speaker 4: I am now officially the first lady of a party
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  Speaker 4: with fifteen percent of the vote.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, it's very very exciting.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully, you know, with Cooper at the Helm, things will
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  Speaker 4: start to turn around.
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  Speaker 1: You've got me so good with that deep look. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's good to come in when things.
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  Speaker 3: Are on the app exactly nowhere to go.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, all right, I'm going to give cutub some
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  Speaker 2: time to recover while we talk about what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Here's what we've got for you.
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  Speaker 2: While many Australians can't afford a house, the Greens are
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  Speaker 2: spending more than two million dollars renovating their Parliamentary boardroom.
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  Speaker 5: Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: Shop volunteers meanwhile, are outraged after two hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: they raised for hospital equipment was spent on artwork for
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  Speaker 2: the hospital's foyer and calls for the Royal Commission into
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  Speaker 2: Anti Semitism to also examine racism against aboriginals. Plus, in
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  Speaker 2: breaking news, the Prince and Princess of Wales have issued
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  Speaker 2: a statement on the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 5: We'll go to London for the latest.
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  Speaker 2: Shortly, but first, should eighteen year olds be paid adult wages?
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  Speaker 2: The Fair Work Commission is weighing up that idea after
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  Speaker 2: hearing submissions last year. Unions argue that since eighteen year
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  Speaker 2: olds are regarded as adults I mean they can vote,
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  Speaker 2: drive and drink, they should be paid as adults, but
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  Speaker 2: business leaders warn the move would lead to less eighteen
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  Speaker 2: year olds being hired. So, Freyer, I'll start with you.
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  Speaker 2: We pay women the same as men for the same job.
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  Speaker 2: Why shouldn't we pay eighteen year olds the same as
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  Speaker 2: twenty one year olds for the same job.
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  Speaker 4: Well, all that will happen is businesses will lay off
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  Speaker 4: younger workers and opt for more experienced workers.
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  Speaker 3: If an eighteen year old is.
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  Speaker 4: The same price as a twenty five year old or
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  Speaker 4: a forty five year old, if you're a business, why
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't you go for the more experienced worker. These lower
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  Speaker 4: pay rates actually help young people get a foot in
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  Speaker 4: the door in the job market. They're good for young people,
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  Speaker 4: and we've got to remember, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: all employment is a voluntary contract you enter into. If
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  Speaker 4: you're not happy with the pay rates, you can go
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  Speaker 4: work somewhere else. But we know plenty of young people
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  Speaker 4: are employed on these award wages, so clearly they're happy
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  Speaker 4: with what they're getting paid, because when you're young, it's
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  Speaker 4: not always just about the pay, it's also about the
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  Speaker 4: experience you get.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they're not necessarily happy. I mean, when you're working
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  Speaker 6: in an industry that is generally covered by award wages.
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  Speaker 6: Most businesses are paying award wages, so that's decided by
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  Speaker 6: someone else.
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  Speaker 1: It's not you.
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  Speaker 6: It's negotiated by the union, but it's based on the
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  Speaker 6: legislation which permits that if you're under the age of
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  Speaker 6: twenty one, they can pay your list. I don't really
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  Speaker 6: understand why. I mean, if the argument is that they
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  Speaker 6: will just go and hire more experienced people, they can
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  Speaker 6: already do that and they will probably get better value
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  Speaker 6: out of them. But if you hire more experienced people,
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  Speaker 6: the awards allow that the more experienced you are, the
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  Speaker 6: more you get paid. So even if you are an
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  Speaker 6: eighteen year old on the full adult tariff, you're probably
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  Speaker 6: going in. If we're talking about the retail award, for instance,
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  Speaker 6: I think there's six levels in the retail award, so
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  Speaker 6: an eighteen year old is most likely on level one
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  Speaker 6: and will be paid less than the person who's thirty
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  Speaker 6: five and has been working at woollies for fifteen years
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  Speaker 6: and will probably be on level six.
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  Speaker 1: So it's already built into the.
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  Speaker 6: System that the more experience you have, the more you
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  Speaker 6: get paid. But if eighteen is the age, and of
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  Speaker 6: course twenty one used to be the age at which
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  Speaker 6: you became an adult, but it's not been the case
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  Speaker 6: since Whitlam was Prime Minister, eighteen is the age at
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  Speaker 6: which you become an adult get If you're an apprentice
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  Speaker 6: and you're being trained and there is an agreement that
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  Speaker 6: you have less skill and as part of the trade
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  Speaker 6: off of being paid less, you get trained on the job.
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  Speaker 1: By your employer.
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  Speaker 6: Fine, you get paid less for that, But if you're eighteen,
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  Speaker 6: how does that change your ability to do your job
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  Speaker 6: compared And by the way, it's seventy percent of the
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  Speaker 6: adult wage if you're eighteen, So why is an eighteen
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  Speaker 6: year old paid thirty percent less than his mate who's
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  Speaker 6: twenty one and has been there about five minutes more
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  Speaker 6: than him, or in fact, may have started the job
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  Speaker 6: after he started.
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  Speaker 2: Let me give you an insight into the way young
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  Speaker 2: people are thinking these days, because we had this conversation
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  Speaker 2: at home this afternoon with the kids, and one of
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  Speaker 2: our kids said, of course, eighteen year old should be
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  Speaker 2: paid an adult wage. And when I pointed out that
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  Speaker 2: employees might not then employ eighteen year olds, because if
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  Speaker 2: you've got to pay the same for a twenty one
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  Speaker 2: year old or an eighteen year old, you might prefer
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  Speaker 2: someone with a little more life experience.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, she said, Introduce quotas.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, wow, that was her reflex reaction, introduce quotas.
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  Speaker 5: So we're raising young communists.
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  Speaker 3: No, exactly. This is the whole problem.
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  Speaker 4: And to be honest, if people don't like what they're
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  Speaker 4: getting paid, quit and find another job.
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  Speaker 3: If you're eighteen, you don't have any you have a choice,
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  Speaker 3: start your own business. This is the whole problem.
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen going to stay owned supermarket.
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  Speaker 4: But this is the deep efficient problem with award wages
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  Speaker 4: and our whole industrial relations system.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's so draconein.
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  Speaker 4: It stops businesses from making decisions that work for them,
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  Speaker 4: and it pigeonholes employees into these buckets that dictate their
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  Speaker 4: wages when really it should just be a negotiation with
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  Speaker 4: the business directly.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think both groups are right.
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  Speaker 2: Eighteen year olds should be paid the same as twenty
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  Speaker 2: one year olds. They are in all respects adults. And
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  Speaker 2: I also think as a result, less eighteen year olds
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  Speaker 2: will probably be employed.
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  Speaker 6: And that may will be true, but I mean, the
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  Speaker 6: level of life experience between an eighteen and a twenty
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  Speaker 6: one year old isn't that great.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a pretty good there is a pretty good.
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  Speaker 6: Evidence space that you can have both older and younger
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  Speaker 6: people working in supermarkets. I mean you walk into Woolies
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  Speaker 6: or Coals or food Land or Harris Farm or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: There's a pretty broad age range of people working in
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  Speaker 6: there from you know, fifteen upwards. And I just don't
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  Speaker 6: see why if you're an adult, if it's eighteen for
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  Speaker 6: everything else, I don't know why it's different specifically for employment.
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  Speaker 6: You know, if we want to go back to being
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  Speaker 6: an adult he is twenty one, we can do that,
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  Speaker 6: But why is it only for employment?
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  Speaker 4: But don't you think it will end up being worse
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  Speaker 4: for young people because the Retailers Association did a survey
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  Speaker 4: of their members and it was something like sixty five
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  Speaker 4: percent of businesses, so they would cut down the hours
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  Speaker 4: of younger workers if the wages for eighteen year olds
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  Speaker 4: were matched to those who.
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  Speaker 1: Were older than who were they employing.
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  Speaker 3: Instead, they would just increase the hours of other workers.
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  Speaker 6: I guess the other workers being older workers who are
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  Speaker 6: already on higher wages.
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  Speaker 4: Well, or I think what would happen is maybe they
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  Speaker 4: would just reduce all the stuff in general, because they're
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  Speaker 4: operating on such slim margins these days that they could
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  Speaker 4: not afford the extra wage costs.
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  Speaker 2: There's another possibility is that they do employ these eighteen
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  Speaker 2: year olds on an adult wage, and we will pay
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  Speaker 2: for it through high cost of goods.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that is also a fair point. We
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  Speaker 1: shall see.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it means the sixteen year olds are more likely
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  Speaker 6: to get it to so, you know, go to sixteen
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  Speaker 6: year olds, and then once they've spent a few years
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  Speaker 6: working in the business, having started at sixteen, they'll deserve
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  Speaker 6: their higher wages and they've got the experience by the
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  Speaker 6: time they're eighteen. Speaking of pay, I tell you what,
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  Speaker 6: you might want to go and have a genealogy test
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  Speaker 6: done to see if you've particularly if you're in Victoria,
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  Speaker 6: see if you've got any Aboriginal blood in you, because
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  Speaker 6: I tell you what, if you sign up to this
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  Speaker 6: new Voice to Parliament essentially they're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Have in Victoria, you know what you're in for.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, if you are an Aboriginal or Indigenous person in Victoria,
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  Speaker 6: you could well become a member of the rich man's
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  Speaker 6: world by putting your hand up for the Victorian First
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  Speaker 6: Nations Assembly.
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  Speaker 1: If you are one of.
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  Speaker 6: The lucky thirty three people to be elected, you will
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  Speaker 6: have as base pay one hundred and ninety seven thousand
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  Speaker 6: dollars a year, which is just shy of what a
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  Speaker 6: backbench MP in the real Victorian Parliament gets a two
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  Speaker 6: hundred and eleven nine hundred and seventy two dollars, which
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  Speaker 6: is funny because I thought this was just some advisory
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  Speaker 6: body and it wasn't actually another form of parliament.
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  Speaker 1: But will come back to that in a moment.
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  Speaker 6: If you happen to be one of the co chairs
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  Speaker 6: of this mob, three hundred and forty eight thousand dollars
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  Speaker 6: a year. That compares to for a minister in the
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  Speaker 6: Victorian government three hundred and ninety one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 6: three dollars. So again you're doing pretty well. If you
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  Speaker 6: happen to have higher duties as one of these basic
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  Speaker 6: members of the First People's Assembly, they'll give you about
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  Speaker 6: another twenty grand in loading, so you are getting paid
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  Speaker 6: the same as a backbencher in Parliament. It's hard to
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  Speaker 6: see how you can possibly justify this for what is
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  Speaker 6: meant to be an advisory body. I mean, they can't
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  Speaker 6: make laws, they can't supposedly change anything. They're just there
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  Speaker 6: to like review laws and review things and bills and
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  Speaker 6: whatever and come back and talk to the government and say,
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  Speaker 6: well we think this is what would be good for
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  Speaker 6: Aboriginal people. You'd think that Aboriginal people would be willing
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  Speaker 6: to sign up to do that for free if it
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  Speaker 6: was for the good of their population. But no, they
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  Speaker 6: must be paid exceedingly well, and of course the First
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  Speaker 6: People's Assembly defends this. A spokesman said. Members responsibilities are
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  Speaker 6: like those of state MP's and include making decisions on
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  Speaker 6: behalf of and advocating for their construt preparing for and
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  Speaker 6: participating in briefings and meetings, attending community events, and meeting
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  Speaker 6: with and listening to community members, as well as engaging
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  Speaker 6: and building relationships with the broader Victorian community. Keep in mind,
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  Speaker 6: this is thirty three people who will be elected to
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  Speaker 6: represent what was at the last census one percent of
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  Speaker 6: the Victorian population, and they apparently have these same responsibilities
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  Speaker 6: as a state MP and deserve to be paid just
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  Speaker 6: as much. I mean, it sounds to me like any
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  Speaker 6: other sort of government board, right, and sure there are
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  Speaker 6: people on government boards that get paid reasonably.
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  Speaker 1: Well for doing a lot of work.
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  Speaker 6: But this sounds no different to me than being on
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  Speaker 6: like the library's board or something you advise the government
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  Speaker 6: on what they should do. You get paid about two
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  Speaker 6: hundred dollars a meeting. Why is this not the same.
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  Speaker 2: When you look at the rate of pay and when
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  Speaker 2: you look at the way they have described themselves as
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  Speaker 2: you just read out, they are looking more and more
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  Speaker 2: like the Third Chamber of Parliament that everybody warned this
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  Speaker 2: would become six million dollars a year will be the Wagers.
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  Speaker 5: Bill for this group.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine what the CFA, the Fire Association could do with
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  Speaker 2: six million dollars a year and how that would help
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  Speaker 2: Victorians as opposed to this body which will simply advise
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  Speaker 2: on government legislation as it pertains to Indigenous people, which
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  Speaker 2: means it will be on everything. And Indigenous people in
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  Speaker 2: Victoria or sixty five thousand of them, have elected representatives.
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  Speaker 2: It's your local member who was voted in by Australians.
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  Speaker 2: This is a crazy idea and the November election is
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  Speaker 2: Jess Wilson's to lose because if you can't win an
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  Speaker 2: election when the government is implementing rubbish like this, you
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  Speaker 2: really shouldn't be the leader of a political party.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: And I also would not be surprised if it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: stop here because if they're using in the job description
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  Speaker 4: the fact that this is a comparable role to a
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  Speaker 4: state MP, you know what State MPs have staff and officers.
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  Speaker 3: That's the next step.
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  Speaker 4: It won't just be two hundred thousand dollars for the
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  Speaker 4: representative themselves. It's going to be three staff and an office.
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  Speaker 4: And this thing will just keep growing and growing and growing.
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  Speaker 4: And this was the concern around the Voice to Parliament.
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  Speaker 4: The Aboriginal industry has become big business and you have
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  Speaker 4: to ask what problems, is it actually solving and who
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  Speaker 4: actually wants this? Keep in mind turn out at the
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  Speaker 4: last Victorian Indigenous Assembly elections was around ten percent. Four
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  Speaker 4: thousand people voted no one wants this.
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  Speaker 6: Well unless you're one of the people who's in line
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  Speaker 6: nearly two hundred k.
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  Speaker 5: For doing, which case you're very excited.
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  Speaker 1: Until the other allowances as well. I mean Victoria.
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  Speaker 6: I think as a backbench MP, you're entitled to twenty
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  Speaker 6: eight grand wordth of accommodation every year. You're entitled to
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  Speaker 6: about twenty grand worth of car travel, etc.
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  Speaker 1: Like. It adds up very quickly.
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  Speaker 6: And if indeed they are to be told that their responsibilities,
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  Speaker 6: as you say, are like those of a state MP,
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  Speaker 6: they've probably got a legitimate claim to say, well, we
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  Speaker 6: deserve the same entitlements as the rest of them. How
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  Speaker 6: is it that we're expected to do the job of
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  Speaker 6: a state MP on less money with less resources. Surely
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  Speaker 6: we deserve the same thing, even though we represent one
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  Speaker 6: percent of the population and we're an advisory board.
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  Speaker 1: But if that's what they're setting it up.
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  Speaker 2: It'll become like you know, you've got the Australian flag,
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  Speaker 2: but now you've also always got the indigenous flag and
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  Speaker 2: the Torres Stralia under flag, and we.
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  Speaker 5: Never voted for them all to be the same.
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  Speaker 2: But they now effectively are. I can see the situation
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  Speaker 2: where these elected officials will become elected officials in like
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  Speaker 2: standing with parliamentary officials and wobetide anybody who argues differently.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The Prince and Princess of Wales have tonight issued a
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  Speaker 2: brief statement on the Epstein files. It's their first public
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  Speaker 2: comment on the files, which include numerous references to Prince
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  Speaker 2: William's uncle. The statement, delivered via a Pallace spokesperson said,
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  Speaker 2: and I quote, I can confirm the Prince and Princess
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  Speaker 2: of Wales have been deeply concerned by the continuing revelations.
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  Speaker 2: Their thoughts remain focused on the victims.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: We're joined live from London by News Corps European correspondent
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  Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth. Sophie, until now, the Prince and Princess of
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  Speaker 2: Wales have been content to let the King deal with
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  Speaker 2: the Andrew issue.
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  Speaker 5: Why are they speaking out now?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, great to be with you, James. Look, they're on
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  Speaker 7: a three day tour of Saudi Arabia and this statement
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  Speaker 7: has been released via a Kensington Palace spokesperson to try
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  Speaker 7: and remove the fact that this will cloud their tour
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  Speaker 7: to Saudi Arabia, so that by them putting out this
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  Speaker 7: statement they are hoping that they can now move on
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  Speaker 7: and focus on their tour that they have just started
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  Speaker 7: this morning, James. But there is no doubt this disaster
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  Speaker 7: that continues with the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Andrew
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  Speaker 7: mount Baton Windsor continues, and just on the front of
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  Speaker 7: the London Son today, James, this is the front page
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  Speaker 7: Andy leaked in boy docs to Epstein, and this details
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  Speaker 7: very confidential information that he allegedly gave to the late
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  Speaker 7: deceased pedophile financier, again putting the palace back in the
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  Speaker 7: spotlight and concerns over what exactly was Andrew mount Baton
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  Speaker 7: Windsor getting up to. He's a disgraced royal, he's lost
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  Speaker 7: all his titles and there is no doubt this disaster
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  Speaker 7: that continues to fold with Epstein files is continuing to
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  Speaker 7: be a headache for the royal family.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the King obviously took pretty strong action against Andrew
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  Speaker 4: early on with the titles and kicking him out of
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  Speaker 4: the residence. He was in How much do you think
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  Speaker 4: this has damaged the royals standing in the public eye?
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  Speaker 4: Do they think the royal family has done enough to
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  Speaker 4: mitigate this disaster?
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  Speaker 3: How the public feeling about this in the UK?
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  Speaker 7: Well, there has been criticism that the King didn't act
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  Speaker 7: swiftly enough. Now we know in October last year he
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  Speaker 7: stripped he is a brother of the sixty five year
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  Speaker 7: old He's a sixty five year old brother of all
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  Speaker 7: of his titles. Now there has been criticism here in
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  Speaker 7: the UK that he should have done this sooner. But
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  Speaker 7: I spoke to Andrew Lowney, who wrote the book on
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  Speaker 7: the House of York, and he revealed many things in
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  Speaker 7: relation many scandals relating to the former Duke, and he
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  Speaker 7: basically said that this guy, this form of prince, should
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  Speaker 7: be now under police investigation. I wrote about this in
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  Speaker 7: news corpse papers on the weekend. So there is no
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  Speaker 7: doubt this disaster that has unfolded for the royal family
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  Speaker 7: is definitely putting the heat on them. And look, the
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  Speaker 7: King and the Queen are doing some great work here
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  Speaker 7: in the UK, but unfortunately for them, it keeps coming
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  Speaker 7: back to what was Andrew mount Batten Windsor Up to
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  Speaker 7: when he had these close ties with Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, the royal family has been well acquainted with
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  Speaker 6: cancer in the last few years. I think you could
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  Speaker 6: probably argue that Andrew is a cancer on the royal
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  Speaker 6: family now, right, Is there any mechanism by which they
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  Speaker 6: can truly excize this cancer because the King is obviously
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  Speaker 6: now moving him off to Sandringham and the thinking behind
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  Speaker 6: that allegedly is that it will try and contain things
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  Speaker 6: because of course we was previously. It was in public land,
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  Speaker 6: so he was being packed all the time and people
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  Speaker 6: were seeing him. So you move him out of the
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: public eye. But is there anything they can actually do
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: to say you're not part of the club anymore, or
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: do they just have to wear this.
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: Well Caleb. Unfortunately for them, sending him off or shipping
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: him off to Norfolk might not be the answer.
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: We saw vision of him last week at Windsor Estate
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: in his full will drive, waving at the media as
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: they were taking shots of him. When he's under these
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: serious allegations of misbehavior while he was in close connection
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: with Jeffrey Epstein. There's so many allegations leveled against him
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: now I must stress he has always denied any wrongdoing,
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: but some commentary here in the UK is really, this
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: guy is at the point now he almost needs to
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: leave the UK. He is so disgraced and he is
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: incredibly arrogant. All the royal commentators here say that he's
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: so arrogant. He never thinks he has done anything wrong.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: But this relationship that he had with Jeffrey Epstein, which
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: he said he ceased after he was convicted, that has
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: proven not to be the case, has been incredibly damaging
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: for the Royal family and it's very unfortunate for them
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: because we know King Charles is battling cancer, he has
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: other more serious issues personally to focus on, but instead
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: it always comes back to what was Randy Andy as
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: he was described over here for many years? What was
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: he up to?
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Sophy? You mentioned the King.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I couldn't help but think this statement coming out tonight
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: comes just a couple of days after the King was
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: publicly heckled as he was doing a walk about how
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: much do you think that shook not only the King
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: but other members of the royal family that now they
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: are being publicly targeted and asked questions about this issue.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: How much has that got to do with the release
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: of this statement, do you think.
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: Well, they can't really control that, James. There's a limit
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: to what they can control when they're out in the
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: public space. And unfortunately for them, it's one of those
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: moments caught on camera, the audios caught on camera. It's
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: very embarrassing for them, and there's a lot of shame
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: brought on the Royal family because of these allegations against
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: Andrew Mountbatton Winsor. The statement from Catherine and William this
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: morning is a move by them, a strategic move by
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: them to put this statement out, give the media something
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: that they can publish, and because they have not spoken
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: about Andrew Mountbatton Windsor, it gives them a statement. It's
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: Monday morning here and hopefully the media pack will move
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: on now, not forgetting Andrew is not the only person
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: in serious trouble here. The Prime Minister is in very
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: serious trouble Sakias Starmer over his former UK Ambassador to
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: the US, Lord Peter Mandilsson, and his ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: So this scandal is not just engulfing the Royal family,
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: it's also engulfed in Sakias Starmer, and there is doubt
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: whether or not he may remain Prime minister. So the
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: UK has a lot of problems on its hands.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if we may well be crossing to you
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: later in the week to talk about the vacancy at
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: number ten.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: The way Starma is going. Appreciate your time tonight, Thanks
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: so much for joining us.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to local news, Frayer, What
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: on earth is happening in Victoria with councils?
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of solving the world's big problems. Darrevin Council
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: down in Victoria is going to hold a very contentious
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: vote tomorrow on whether to replace the Palestinian flag that's
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: been flying on its town hall for two years since
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: December twenty twenty three, whether to replace that with a
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: generic peace flag. Very difficult decision for the councilors to make. Firstly,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the fact that it has been up for two years
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: is frankly absurd, but more deeply, why should a council
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: be flying the flag of a quasi terrorist state anyway?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: What do they think they are achieving? Who do they
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: think they are representing?
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: I should say they were supposed to vote on replacing
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the flag in December, but it got postponed because.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Of the Bondai massacre.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: You would think that an anti Semitic attack on Jews
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: would be reason to perhaps accelerate the removal of the flag,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: but no, they decided to keep it up for a
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: whole extra month.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: James, pretty ridiculous.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Council bureaucrats are urging the councilors to remove the flag
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and replace it because they've been so inundated with complaints
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: after the Bondai massacre from locals saying why is the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: council flying the Palestinian flag? What does that mean in
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: light of what Australian Jews have suffered. Interestingly, you mentioned
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that meeting in December. The original suggestion was not to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: remove the Palestinian flag, why don't we fly a peace
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: flag as well? But there wasn't a vacant flag pole,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: so the suggestion was, well, we could remove the Pride
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: flag and put the peace flags. Oh there, that was
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: outright rejecting no, and so they.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Were up set the game.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Interestingly, this was the statement that the Council will be
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: voting on tomorrow have listen proposed.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: By Council CEO and Howard.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Council affirms its commitment to peace in Australia and across
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the world and replaces the Palestinian flag to enable the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: peace flag to be flown at Preston City Hall. The
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: thing I don't understand, Caleb, is why do we need
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a local council to confirm its commitment to peace in
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Australia and around the world. Does anybody around Australia or
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: indeed the world care what the Darbin Council thinks.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: The councilors at Darbn Council care what the council is
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: at Darblin Council think. Is this almost to suggest that
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: if a councils not flying the peace flag, they don't
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: believe in peace.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: If you don't have the flag up, you don't believe
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Your virtue does not exist unless you've seedled it. Of course,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: this is what we've learned in the last decade or so.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, the council just should not, flat out should
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: just not be flying any flag other than the national flag,
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: the state flag and whatever the council's flag is.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And there's no reason to be flying anything else. I mean,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: some of these councils now talking about they're going to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: put up eight flag poles.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: So they can have the gay flag, and they can
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: have the Palestinian flag, and then when it comes to Dewali,
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: they've got to have the Indian flag up as well.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: And then there's some other flag that'll go up because
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: someone you know, the Skewer mobile have it. Like, No,
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: it's just it's not the business of the council. We
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: don't need a council to virtue signal about what's happening
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: on the other side of the world. They don't need
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: to put up a foreign Nations flag, they don't need
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: to put up a peace flag, they don't need to
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: put up a pride flag. If they put up a
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: flag that said we will fix the potholes, maybe I'd
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: be in support of that. But it's just not their business.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, these people are just so desperate to feel
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: like they're actually doing something to change the world. They've
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: got to have some other flag. It's got nothing to
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: do with you.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the potholes. This is the same council.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Remember last year there was a street sweeper who happened
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to object to an acknowledgment of country.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: During yesa that's right free work.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: Think.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: This is the same council that sacked that guy. It's
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: a council that's introduced thirty kilometer an hour speed limits
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in certain parts of the shire. And it's a council
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that never says Merry Christmas. It always says happy Holidays.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So I guess what do you expect? But what do
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you guys think about the Queensland government. The LNP will
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: later this week legislate to ban not only the phrase
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: globalize the Interfata, which the New South Wales government will
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: probably ban as well, having had that recommended to them,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: but differently to New South Wales, Queensland will also ban
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the phrase with threat of two years in jail from
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the River to the Sea, along with about thirteen different symbols,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Nazi symbols, Islamus symbols, all will be banned and as
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I said, jail time if you're found to be chanting
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: or displaying the slogans or symbols. Good idea or is
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: this unenforceable? And my problem with it, Freyer is you're
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: going to have whack a mole. As one phrase becomes illegal,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: another phrase will be used. They'll be forever outlawing and
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: banning phrases and symbols, won't they.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I think this is if what you want to
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: do is combat speech that incites violence and leads to
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: extremist behavior, this is the best approach. The alternative are generic, broad,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: sweeping hate speech laws, which is what the federal labor
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: government tried to do and was unsuccessful in doing. If
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: you don't ban specific phrases, you have to come up
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: with a definition of hate speech and say anything that
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: incites hate, and then you open a whole can of
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: worms that is far more damaging for free speech. I
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: think this is actually the conservative and prudent approach because
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: we know these phrases are used over and over again
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: by radical activists globalizing in defarter, everyone knows what that means.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: It is calling for violence against Jews, and from the
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: river Disea is calling for their annihilation.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Isn't globalizing Defarta? Isn't that incitement?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: We've got laws no, And from the river to the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: sea clearly is a call for the eradication of the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: only Jewish state. That too, would be incitement if you've
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: got a decent lawyer and judges that are willing to
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: see the obvious.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: The problem is for incitement to violence actually be held
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: up in a court.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: You need to actually prove.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: That there was violence that occurred as a result of it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: is my understanding, and so that often is very hard
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: to prove. But these phrases are still promoting hatred and
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: discord within the community. So I think this is a
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: way you can combat the extremists while also protecting free
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: speech for the majority of people.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: I guess my concern is that it's all good and
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: well when you think that they're banning the right things,
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: but there's always the possibility that they banned the wrong
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: things in your view, right, and it will change from
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: globalize the interfar to too. There were signs that the
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: protests in Sydney today you would have seen the scenes
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: of globalize the Onlada, right, So they're openly mocking the
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: fact that these laws are being brought in. And what
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: can you do about if they will just start saying
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: globalize the onto ladder, what are they going to.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Ban that as well.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: I don't think it actually does anything to stop the movement.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: It simply says these are the words that you're not
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: allowed to say if you don't want to get in trouble.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: It doesn't change the way anyone thinks. It doesn't stop
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: the ability to protest. It doesn't change the fact that
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: these people gather and what they do. It risks perhaps
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: sending them underground, which to some degree makes them even
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: harder to detect. I think that's the danger when you
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: start outlawing certain forms of speech, because, in my view,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: as repugnant as some things might some things people might
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: say are I would prefer them to say them so
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: that we know what they think, and we know who
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: they are, and we know where they are, rather than saying,
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: go in your dark little corner and proselytize to all
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: your people where it's even more difficult for us to
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: know who you are and what you're doing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think you have to worry about that, Caleb.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think these activists are going anywhere. I think
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: we will continue to know exactly who they are because
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: they'll be in the Supreme Court challenging all the laws
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: every two seconds. I think what this does do is
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: say there are certain phrases that are so anti Semitic
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: in nature, calling for violence and calling for the annihilation
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: of Jews between the Jordan and the Mediterranean that no,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you should not be able to say that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: And yes, they will say other things, but this is
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: about taking a stand and saying we do not want
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: jew hatred to be able to run rampant.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: You know, a little insight into the mindset of these
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters. I was having a look at the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: magistrate's court a few weeks back, and Josh Lee's was
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: there with a number of young people and older people
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: who are facing charges as a result of protesting. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: what was interesting to me, Caleb, was that I watched
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: many of these people facing charges in the magistrate's court
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: sit in the waiting area holding their kefir in their hand,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and then when they were called to appear before the magistrate,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: quickly put their kefir on, very clearly being provocative, deliberately
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: provocative and trying to make a point in the court.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: While we're talking about anti Semitism. The government of course
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: announced a Royal Commission into Anti Semitism, but they attached
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the phrase and social Cohesion to the end of that title,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: which has led Indigenous Affairs Minister Melanderry McCarthy to say
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that she is now advocating for that Royal Commission into
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion to broaden its terms of reference.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: To investigate all forms of racism against Indigenous people. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: think the government knew this was going to happen, didn't
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: they when they introduced that phrase and social cohesion. They've
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: created the potential for this to become a free for all.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: When it was Jews who were murdered in cold blood
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: at Bondai. It's got nothing to do with racism against
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Indigenous people or as Lamophobia or hatred against gay people.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And none of those things are good, but they are
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: beside the point when it comes to investigating what happened
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: at Bondai and how we're allowed to get to this point.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's disgraceful that the Indigenous Affairs Minister would
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: try to muddy the waters by advocating for the commission
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to take its eyes off anti Semitism and start investigating
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: numerous other things.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Well at risks, making a royal commission is totally useless,
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: doesn't it. And this was kind of my fear from
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: the beginning when the idea of a royal commission came up,
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: that they take so damn long to come back with anything,
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: and they're so broad, and they go on and on forever,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: that we will have moved so far from the event.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: By the time we have any findings that it may
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: will be next to useless. And if this is the
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: stuff they're going to look at, it will simply make
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: it longer, and it will make the job of the
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: Commissioner more difficult, and it will go on and on
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: and it will not come.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Back with what we need.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: This is meant to be a Royal commission into how
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: the worst terror attack in Australian history happened on our soil.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: That is the point, or allegedly it's supposed to be
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: the point of this Royal commission. As you said, I
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: mean to be about Indigenous people, or gay people or
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: anyone else. It's specifically about a terror attack that was
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: carried out against Jews and what led to that event happening,
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: and what could have been done better and the lessons
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: we need to learn for the future. Something tells me
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: that this Royal Commission inquiring into social cohesion when it
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: comes to Indigenous people, is not going to do anything
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: to tell us how we could prevent a terror attack exactly.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: But this is what Labour did when Julian and Lisa
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: called for a judicial inquiry into anti Semitism at universities.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: They rejected his calls for that. Instead they started a
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Human Rights Commission led General Inquiry into racism on campuses
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: that we'll look at anti Semitism and Islamophobia and all
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: forms of racism. This is exactly what this government has
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: done over and over.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: There were calls for an envoy into anti Semitism, so
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: they are pointed an envoy into Islamophobia and then they
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't consider the anti Semitism report until they got the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Islamophobia report.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: You're quite right, they've done this right, Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: And I also point out it's a very clever way.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: By introducing the indigenous thing into this in particular, is
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: a very clever tactic to move the discussion away from
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: radical Islam, which we know is what really is at
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: fault when it comes to this terror attack, and move
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: it over to the whole white nationalism thing and start
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: to pinpoint that as an issue.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Now, sure it may exist.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: But it's not what led to a terror attack, and
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: all of this will become they muddy the waters just
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: they did.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, we've got to get rid of his
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: book to reer.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: But the National Socialist Network at the same time, the
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: National Socialist network, despite the fact they were white supremacists.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: We're not out shooting up duws, right, So it's this
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: is the problem. Well, talking earlier about money being splashed
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: around down in Victoria, the other place they're splashing around
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: money at the moment Parliament House on the Greens party room.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Now they were meant to spend less than a million
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: dollars doing out the Greens party room. It's now blown
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: out to would you believe it, two point two million dollars.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Take a look at this.
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: An integrity and the moral rights are very firm about
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: how the Parliament looks. So it does increase the costs
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: because it has to be particular wood, particular threads of carpet,
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: and so on and so forth.
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: You signed a brief that approved the proceeding of this
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: work when you were told the cost was seven hundred
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: and sixty four thousand. Had you known that they'd be
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: one point six million or two point two million dollars,
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: would you have approved it?
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: I can't speculate in hindsight, Senator Patterson.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, come on, how do you blow out from
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: six hundred so seven hundred and sixty four thousand dollars.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: To two point two million dollars.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: They've got to have particular threads of carpet and certain
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: types of wood.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But my god, the budget's gone through the road.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Why do the Greens need a party room. They're always
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: at protests.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Don't they.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: They have a broom cabinet exactly.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: They could just set up an encampment outside of Parliament
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: with the rest of their cronies. I'm sure that would
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: suit them perfectly fine. But yeah, Greens are great financial managers.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: They can't even manage the budget of their own party
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: room properly.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Speaking of money being used, I was going to say improperly,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: but that's debatable in this case. And Hospital at Aubrey
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Wodonga has spent two hundred thousand dollars on artwork for
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the foyer.
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  Speaker 5: The problem.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: The two hundred thousand dollars was given to the hospital
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: by a volunteer organization that ran an opshop. They believe
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the money would be used for medical equipment and patient services.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: The hospital has.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Spent the money on artwork, believing that that's an important
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: way of creating an environment where patients can get better.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: At first I thought this was really wrong, but I
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: actually think nothing wrong with spending the money that way.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: They just should have communicated it better to the volunteers
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: so the volunteers weren't surprised, or take the money from
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: somewhere other than the opshop proceeds.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: It's a bit of a strate to call this artwork.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: They spent two hundred thousand dollars on vinyl cover for
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: four columns as you walk in the hospital. Fifty thousand
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: dollars per column for wallpaper is essentially what they.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Have the government contract.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: I want sign me up holder the Greens party room
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: and older the hospital.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: How about that for mapchless money.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: All right, we're going to go to a break.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look what's making news tomorrow,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: including unions being paid millions of dollars by the government
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: to tell the government what they think of their own ideas.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: That's coming up in just a moment. Welcome back to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the program. Will Tomorrow's papers they're all talking about the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: liberal leadership, Caleb, you've.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Got a couple of them.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Indeed, the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow is spooking
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: a docco that the news Court papers are promoting Lee
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: in a death spiral as Libs fight for life in
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: the game and it says that Tony Abbott has described
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: the dwindling membership of the party as quote unquote embarrassing,
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: and it will also revealed that One Nation leader Paul
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Enhnson personally told Susan Lee that she's too moderate and
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: her days as opposition leader are numbered. If she hasn't
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: worked that out for herself, she may want to read
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: the front of The Australian, where it is time to
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: challenge now, libs tell Taylor. Conservative MPs of warned Angus
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: Taylor he will look impotent if he fails to challenge
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: Susan Lee this week, as leading moderates and Conservatives make
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: counterclaims about deal offers from the rival factions. Moderate and
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: Conservative MPs have told The Australian mister Taylor held a
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: meeting in his office on Monday with top moderate Anne Rustin.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Moderate MP said the meeting was part of a pushback
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Conservatives to do a deal to bring their support to
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: mister Taylor, while a top Conservative denied this and said
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: the meeting was instigated by Senator rusted. On and on
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: and on and on it goes if they don't nip
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: this in the bud very shortly and the polling. It'll
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: just get worse, right, I mean, half the reason people
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: are turning off the Liberal Party is because they just
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: keep talking about themselves and they can't talk about the
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: things that the rest of us care about. And if
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: they continue in this death spiral, as the Telegraph puts it, tomorrow,
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: it ain't gonna get any better.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor can't possibly wait because he will look completely stupid.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: He first moved Hasty out of the running. Hasty wanted
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the job, but has apparently been convinced to pull out,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: leaving Angus Taylor as the only challenger. As you said,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: you've got historically bad polls. Now's the time to do it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And the reconciliation between Little Proud and Susan Lee. Anyone
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: who watched that press conference, if you watch the body
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: language between the two of them and listen to Susan Lee,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: it was not at all convincing. You can't afford to wait.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: It's got to be done this week because we all
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: know it's going to happen at some point. Lance the boil.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Now get it done and move on and start challenging
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the government.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And there's never a good time in politics, and you
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: also never pick your time. Sometimes things are thrust upon
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: you and you find yourself in the middle of something
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: that in the perfect world you may not have picked
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: this timing. But the reality is, as you point out, James,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: all of these elements are lining up right now this week.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: This is the time.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: And frankly, how much longer can the Liberal Party go
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: on like this where not only are none of the
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: left wing Teal seats coming back, which was the pitch,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: bring in Susan, bring in a more moderate leader, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: we'll make inroads in the teal seats. That hasn't happened,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: but now we have an even greater existential threat from
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: one nation. Once the Tories got into that position where
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: they were consistently trailing.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Reform, that was the end of them.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: That was the end, and that will be the end,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: unfortunately tragically for the Liberal Party unless they turn this
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: around asap.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: At least to spill will give us an answer and
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: then we can stop talking about it for a little while.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: On the other story, in the front of the ouse tomorrow,
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: Dignity Versus disgrace pro Palestine protesters screened vile slogans in
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: three capital cities on Monday night in ugly rallies against
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: the visit of Israeli President Isaac Herzog, just fifty seven
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: days after Sydney's Jewish community was devastated by the Bondai
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: terror attack, in which fifteen people died. Despite imminent moves
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: to outlaw and sinjury, chants of Globalized the Interfada and
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: from the River to the Sea, demonstrators across the country
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: repeated the anti Israel slogans and called for mister Herzog
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: to be expelled from the country. Police were forced to
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: deploy pepper spray as an unruly demonstration at Sydney's Town Hall,
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: where at least two people were tackled and arrested, despite
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: activists losing an eleventh hour legal bid in the New
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: South Wales Supreme Court. Mister Herzog, at n event just
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: kilometers away at Sydney International Convention Center, declared the Bondai
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: attack was not an isolated event and decried the rising
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: tart of anti Semitism since her Master's attack on Israel.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: On October the seventh, twenty twenty three, he said, your
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: Jewish identities became targets in Australia just as you watched
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: a massacre unfold in Israel, and I think there was
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: a contingent of them down at the ICC too, so
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: they're certainly out in force.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: And former Australian of the Year Grace Tame gets to
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: mention in the paper she was at the Sydney protest
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: leading the crowd in chants from Gaddigel to Gaza globalized
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the INTERFO.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: So there's your Australian of the Year.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: It's just it is actually so tragic and sometimes I
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: just am shocked at you know, you would think two
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: years ago October seven, the worst massacre of Jews since
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: the Holocaust, that should have been the moment the world
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: rallied around the Jewish community stepped up and supported Israel,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: realized they were confronting evil terrorism. But instead it was
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: that thing where they were the victims that unleashed this
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: global tidal wave of anti Semitism.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure it unleashed it. I think it
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: unmasked because clearly it's been there. It didn't just suddenly appear.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I think the attack on October seven unmasked what had
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: been sitting there already.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: And boy it's ugly now.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: The story on the front of the OS Union's Extra
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Lick of taxpayer gravy. Quite extraordinary story this one. Unions
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: have reported an extra sorry in extraordinary fifteen point four
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: million dollars in taxpayer backed income from the Commonwealth in
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty four to twenty five, almost quintappling the pre
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: Albanezi government record and leading to questions about the broken
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: nexus between Labour and the trade union movement. The payment
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: is drawn from the one hundred million dollar multi year
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: grant for the unions and employer groups to quote, explain
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: and engage with Labour's own workplace reform laws, which were
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: largely driven by the unions in the first place. So
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: the government says, we're we're thinking about changing the laws.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: Here's one hundred million dollars for you to go and
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: work out what you think of it, and then you
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: can come back and tell us what you think even
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: though you dreamed it up.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Am I missing something here? Well?
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Then the next question is how much of that union
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: money is then donated back to the Labor Party or
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: put into labor controlled super funds that also somehow makes
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: it way its way back to the Labor Party. This
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: is a massive Ponzi scheme on the taxpayer dollar.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: It's a wonderful arrangement if you're part of it. Let's
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: go to the front page of the Adelaide Advertiser. One
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Nation overtakes Liberals, but Labor surges.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: In lead Mali.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Then Daylight reads the headline pill mail Aali Melanascus Sally
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: is on the brink of a historic landslide as one
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Nation storms past the Liberals in voter support. An exclusive
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: opinion poll reveals Labor holds a two party preferred lead
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of sixty one percent to thirty nine percent for the Liberals.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: So great news for labor, and this trend's continuing right
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: around the country. One nation just eating away at the
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: liberal vote.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: And this is the sad thing when you do have
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: a fractured vote on the right, often it actually just
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: ends up helping labor, so they will win more seats
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: most likely and do even better miraculously. In the Herald
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Sun tomorrow, a very very sad headline one hundred and
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: eighty five dollars for our Girls' lives. Drink spike outrage
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: parents of Melbourne teenes poisoned in Lao slam insulting fines
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: over tragic deaths. The devastated families of two Melbourne teens
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: who died of methanol poisoning in Lao have condemned a
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: secret court case which saw ten people given one hundred
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: and eighty five dollar fines over their deaths, calling it
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: a betrayal beyond comprehension. The slap on the wrist fines
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: were handed out for destroying evidence of lacing homemade alcohol
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: with cheap but deadly methanol, and that killed two girls
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: from Melbourne. It's just tragic, absolutely tragic, and one hundred
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: and eighty five dollars of fines is just a complete insult.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: And you'd have to say, is that the sort of
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: value that is being put on someone's life? You know,
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: to be in that position, You've gone overseas, you've just
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: finished school, you think you're about to start your life,
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: and in what are the most innocent circumstances of having
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: a drink on holiday, you end up dead and the
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: fine is one hundred and eighty five thousand dollars.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: If you were the parents, you would be livid.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't imagine the pain and grief they would
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: be feeling.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break. I
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: can't believe it. It's the most dangerous sport in the world.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Authority is a warning, it's only a matter of time
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: before someone is killed, and yet it drew a capacity
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: crowd in Sydney at the weekend. Will show you after this,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Now, I'm not sure if
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: you're a soccer lover, Freyer, what about you? Are you
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: a soccer fan?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Not a fanatic, but I enjoy it and I would
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: have enjoyed being at this game actually between Bristol and
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Whole City when a squirrel invaded the pitch, not once
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: but twice, and players and pitch staff we're trying to
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: scramble to catch it, but it was surprisingly fast.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Have a look.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: So it stopped the game for seventeen minutes or something,
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: a long time and this squirrel was running a muck
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: on the pitch.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: What does it say about soccer that that was probably
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: the most exciting part of that ha haha.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Let's face it, how many goals are scored in a
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: game of soccer?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You know this is a dangerous game.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: Every time the soccer people are spilled? Is so double
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: kah always go nuts online every time anything like that
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: has said? Who was that woman who invaded that?
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Very good by the way, squirrel they go nuts on.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, who is the woman who invaded the mcg all
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: those years ago, back in the nineties, Helen. I forget
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: her surname anyway, it was nowhere near as good as her,
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: was it?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: You know the one I'm talking about.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: For the AFL Grand Final.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, my cousin is Bruce dool who played for Carlton
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: and she was a streaker and she put her staff
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: around him, and he's the most shy person.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: He never.
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Speaking of sport, they're calling it the most dangerous sport
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in the world and authorities are warning its only amount
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: of time till someone dies. The Run Nation Championship was
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: held in Sydney at the weekend, drew a capacity crowd.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: They're calling this sport.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Was a restor the Lard's drugs up.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: So as you can see, it's not difficult to understand.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Two blokes run at each other and see who can
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: knock the other one out. I suppose in some ways,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: what's the difference to boxing? You hit each other in
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the face, what's the difference?
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: Well, they do have a bit of padding in there.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: It feels a bit like they're trying to like rebuild
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: Rugby league from like the basis points and then we'll
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: sort of work.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It out from the extremities or something. I don't know.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: Maybe those people could qualify as dope with the Day, but.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately we've already picked one here. It is don't the day.
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: Coppers down in Adelaide yesterday decided to pull someone over
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: who allegedly was not able to produce a license. So
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: they've looked him up in the system and found that
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: he's not currently licensed to drive a car. Then they
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: took a drug test and found that he was allegedly
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: using metham fetamine. Then they looked through his car and
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: found annabis. Then they looked through his passenger and found
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: drugs that they.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Weren't meant to have.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: And as you can see there, the driver side door
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: is held onto the car with a rope.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: As if that wasn't going to get the attention of police.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: If you're going to drive a car with your door
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: held on by the rope, I'll give you the tip
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: maybe don't use methamfitter meane as well.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: I'd say the door was the least of his product,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: by what I said.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: That's it from us to the ground coming up in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: just a moment is the read a penny show, good Night,