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Why Everyones Suddenly Talking About Private Credit · INSIGHT TODAY

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  Speaker 1: The US private credit market is projected to grow from
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  Speaker 1: three trillion at they start of twenty twenty five to
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  Speaker 1: nearly five trillion by twenty twenty nine. Private credit is
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  Speaker 1: lending by non bank financial institutions to businesses that take
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  Speaker 1: place outside of the public markets.
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  Speaker 2: There are so many advantages to private credit. There's the speed,
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  Speaker 2: the flexibility, the reaching companies that haven't really been reached before.
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  Speaker 1: Private credit typically provides loans and companies that are otherwise
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  Speaker 1: unable to obtain them through banks or public debt markets.
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  Speaker 3: Private credit has been driven by the fact that the
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  Speaker 3: banking system has been on its back heel since the
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  Speaker 3: global financial crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Regulations put into place after the two thousand and eight
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  Speaker 1: financial crisis discouraged traditional banks for making many types of riskier.
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  Speaker 3: Loans, so the cost of doing business for the banking
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  Speaker 3: system rose dramatically, and that then pushed lending outside the
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  Speaker 3: banking system into many different places, including private credit.
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  Speaker 1: Traditionally, private credit firms are funded by institutions that don't
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  Speaker 1: need quick repayments, such as insurance companies and pension funds.
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  Speaker 3: It's the private credit funds because they have gotten so
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  Speaker 3: big and grown so quickly, they're now expanding outside of
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  Speaker 3: the insurance companies, the pension funds, the endowments of sovereign
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  Speaker 3: wealth funds is a source of funding. They're going retail
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  Speaker 3: and they're trying to sell their funds to you and
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  Speaker 3: I as individual investors.
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  Speaker 1: Investors in private credit collect higher interest rates than they
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  Speaker 1: would in other dead investments. However, unlike bonds in public stocks,
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  Speaker 1: investments in private credit are inherently liquid. It can't be
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  Speaker 1: sold quickly for cash. Private credit also lacks the transparency
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  Speaker 1: of the regulated dead markets, which trade daily on exchanges
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  Speaker 1: and require bars to give material updates. So when Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street comes calling with a fancy new investment, should you answer?
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  Speaker 1: Here's what to know before participating in private credit. Private
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  Speaker 1: credit was once a niche corner of Wall Street. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's becoming mainstream. The Trump administration is taking steps to
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  Speaker 1: expand access to alternative investments like private credit. This includes
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  Speaker 1: an executive order directing federal regulators, including the sec Department
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  Speaker 1: of Labor, to consider regulatory changes to allow alternative investments
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  Speaker 1: to be offered in workplace retirement plans.
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  Speaker 3: So it's allowing you and I to participate in this
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  Speaker 3: fast growing and up to this point, lucrative area of investing.
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  Speaker 1: Retail investors allocations to private market assets. It's projected to
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  Speaker 1: reach two point four trillion by twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: The big concern there is that retail investors typically need
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  Speaker 2: some liquidity, and so they're trying to come up with
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  Speaker 2: vehicles that offer more liquidity to investors. So we're starting
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  Speaker 2: to see private credit ETFs.
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  Speaker 1: But private credit investments are illiquid by nature. That means
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  Speaker 1: when it comes time to sell, it's unclear how quickly
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  Speaker 1: investors can fully cash out.
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  Speaker 2: But when you do that, then you recreate the problem
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  Speaker 2: of a mismatch in the funding source and the loan itself,
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  Speaker 2: which is ripe for a bank run type event.
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  Speaker 4: If suddenly there's a run, like people panic much like
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  Speaker 4: they did in O eight. If you have that type
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  Speaker 4: of you know, withdrawal activity, that's a problem because you're
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  Speaker 4: going to work through your liquid stuff very quickly. Then
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  Speaker 4: you're into the liquid stuff and that's where the problem begins,
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  Speaker 4: like how do I get rid of this? Like you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna have to either gate it, and you know, you
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  Speaker 4: know what gates do once it wants a fund or
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  Speaker 4: anything gets gated. That creates more panning.
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  Speaker 3: It's very critical that we have good regulatory oversight, real
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  Speaker 3: guard rails here to make sure that these investors are protected,
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  Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, if they're not
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  Speaker 3: and there's failures, this is going to come back on taxpayers.
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  Speaker 1: In February twenty twenty five, State Street and a Paulo
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  Speaker 1: launch day first of its kind private credit ETF. Although
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  Speaker 1: gfs are typically only allowed to invest up to fifteen
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  Speaker 1: percent in in liquid investments, the SEC said that in
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  Speaker 1: this case, private credit would generally range from ten percent
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  Speaker 1: to thirty five percent.
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  Speaker 2: And the SEC is really stepping back from its own
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  Speaker 2: rules on liquidity in ETFs, and the regulators just don't
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  Speaker 2: want to interfere with this market in any way, and
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  Speaker 2: that is the choice that they have made. But the
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  Speaker 2: consequences might beat.
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  Speaker 1: The rapid growth of private credit and its recent entests
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  Speaker 1: into the retail investing world means that private credit has
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  Speaker 1: not yet really been tested, sparking anxiety about what could
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  Speaker 1: happen in a fraught economic climate.
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  Speaker 3: It's economy actually stumbles. If we start losing jobs and
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  Speaker 3: unemployment starts rising, consumers start to pull back. It's in
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  Speaker 3: that environment that private credit equity will get stressed. It
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  Speaker 3: has not been stressed at all in its existence, and
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  Speaker 3: it will be stressed, and then the question is how
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  Speaker 3: will it navigate through all of that.
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  Speaker 2: The concerns are that this is a market that is
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  Speaker 2: extraordinarily large and that is reaching more and more businesses,
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  Speaker 2: and yet it's not a public market. And so what
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  Speaker 2: that means is, oftentimes you have a private company borrowing
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  Speaker 2: from private parties. There's no public disclosure, there's no disclosure
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  Speaker 2: of financials to a broader set of parties.
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  Speaker 1: The opacity of private credit means that in a downturn,
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  Speaker 1: a crisis, it's possible that investors might face deep losses.
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  Speaker 2: They were not entirely sure if the valuations are correct,
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  Speaker 2: and so are we going to know whether there are
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  Speaker 2: signs of trouble early or are we going to know
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  Speaker 2: a little bit too late.
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  Speaker 1: Uncertainty around the quality of some private credit ratings is growing,
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  Speaker 1: raising the question and whether the risks are underappreciated. Bloomberg
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  Speaker 1: reported that the SEC is investigating whether Egan Jones, a
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  Speaker 1: leader in private credit ratings, has been quote exerting improper
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  Speaker 1: commercial influence on its rating procedures. This could impact insurers
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  Speaker 1: who need the rating to be able to invest in
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  Speaker 1: private credit.
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  Speaker 2: The double edged sword of private credit is, on the
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  Speaker 2: one hand, if they really are the sole lender, one
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  Speaker 2: of the main lenders, they have really strong incentives to
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  Speaker 2: monitor for problems. But by the same token, if they
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  Speaker 2: really are the one on the hook for all of this,
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  Speaker 2: they do in fact have incentives to try to disguise risks.
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  Speaker 1: The lack of disclosure in private credit can allow lenners
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  Speaker 1: to delay the recognition of problems until they are undeniable.
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  Speaker 1: Bankruptcies in private credit can happen quickly and with little warning,
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  Speaker 1: as we saw with home Improvement from in November twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Five, Rinovo, which was marked at par on most people's books,
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  Speaker 4: suddenly just written straight down to zero. Because there's no
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  Speaker 4: bit offer. You don't know what it's worth until something happens.
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  Speaker 3: Once one private equity credit firm pushes a firm into bankruptcy,
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  Speaker 3: others will follow very rapidly.
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  Speaker 1: That could mean a wave of defaults of American companies,
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  Speaker 1: increasing the risk that an economic downturn morphs into a crisis.
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  Speaker 1: There are some signs that the first cracks in private
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  Speaker 1: credit are showing, as more capital flows into private credit
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  Speaker 1: and new players enter the space. There's growing more that
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  Speaker 1: underwritinges thinner to become more relaxed, so.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a lot of smaller funds of developing. That's
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  Speaker 3: driving a lot of competition within the private credit funds
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  Speaker 3: and does run the risk of causing a flight to
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  Speaker 3: the bottom. The bad lenders with weak underwriting force good
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  Speaker 3: lenders with better underwriting to lower their standards just to
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  Speaker 3: keep up and maintain their business.
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  Speaker 1: There's also concern that leverage is a rising, both within
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  Speaker 1: private credit firms which are barring money to juice returns
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  Speaker 1: or come up with liquidity, and among the companies they finance.
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  Speaker 1: Some on Wall Street see parallels to the run up
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  Speaker 1: to the two thousand and eight financial crisis, where financial
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  Speaker 1: institutions increase their leverage to amplify returns.
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  Speaker 3: There has been a lot of lending and increase of
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  Speaker 3: leverage among non financial corps, particularly those that have been
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  Speaker 3: purchased by private equity firms that are using private credit
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  Speaker 3: and source of funding.
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  Speaker 1: You've also seen a growing number of private credit borrowers
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  Speaker 1: taking on new debt in the form of payment and
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  Speaker 1: kind loans or picks. A pick typically allows a bar
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  Speaker 1: to pile on more debt instead of paying back the
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  Speaker 1: interestale in their loans. Some on Wall Street consider picks
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  Speaker 1: to be a kind of shadow default signal that increases
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  Speaker 1: the risks of bankruptcies in the future.
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  Speaker 2: There's also the concerns of reaching sort of systemically important
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  Speaker 2: businesses like insurance companies and others. Their involvement in private
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  Speaker 2: credit is as investors, and so there is another source
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  Speaker 2: of potential concern if we think that the leverage is
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  Speaker 2: too hot.
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  Speaker 1: Banks are a major source of funding for non bank lenders,
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  Speaker 1: meaning that stress there could ripple into the broader economy.
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  Speaker 1: Commercial loans non bank financial institutions reach one point one
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  Speaker 1: four trillion in March twenty twenty five. Bank loans made
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  Speaker 1: to non bank financials for the single fastest growing category,
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  Speaker 1: rising twenty six percent every year from twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 2: So far, the bank regulators who have been looking into
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  Speaker 2: this have deemed that the leverage levels sort of coming
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  Speaker 2: from the banks lending to the private credit funds are
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  Speaker 2: at acceptable levels now. Of course, that relies on all
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  Speaker 2: of the underlying information being correct about the values of
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  Speaker 2: these loans in these private credit funds portfolios, and so
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  Speaker 2: that's I think where there's some potential for concern. Are
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  Speaker 2: these loans and these portfolios actually healthy or are they
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  Speaker 2: distressed and we're kind of masking the distressed.
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  Speaker 1: All of that being said, some of the recent anxiety
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  Speaker 1: about private credit may be either early or misplaced. In
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  Speaker 1: late twenty twenty five, the high profile collapse of auto
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  Speaker 1: companies First Bands and Tricolor Holdings, both of which relied
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  Speaker 1: on complex borrowing arrangements that included private debt, sent Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street into a panic.
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  Speaker 4: When you see one cockroach, there's probably more.
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  Speaker 1: In December twenty twenty five, US prosecutors charged top Tricolor
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  Speaker 1: executives with fraud, alleging that they directed employees to alter
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  Speaker 1: company records to make delinquent loans appear eligible as collateral.
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  Speaker 1: But the banks that lend to the private credit industry
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  Speaker 1: have called these cases isolated, and others in Wall Street
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  Speaker 1: have said that such wrongdoing is possible at any company,
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  Speaker 1: including those that rely on traditional sources of funding.
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  Speaker 2: If we do see signs of trouble, will that be
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  Speaker 2: contained to that market and those sophisticated investors, or are
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  Speaker 2: they going to ripple out and affect a bunch of banks,
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of insurance companies, and retail investors as well