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Speaker 2: On today's Reality with the King episode, I am reunited
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Speaker 2: have to do a deep dive into the Bethany Verses
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Speaker 2: Bravo Saga in addition to and My Bethany Boys, the
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Speaker 2: number one worldwide podcast in the world. Her interview with
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Speaker 2: the artists formerly known as ray Quel, Rachel and the
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Speaker 2: backlash she received.
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Speaker 1: So let's get started.
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Speaker 2: Bethany Frankel, a former Real Housewives of New York City housewife,
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Speaker 2: a former pal of Andy Cohen, allegedly has taken upon
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Speaker 2: herself to hire two high powered attorneys and what she
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Speaker 2: is calling reality reckoning, which means she is as of
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Speaker 2: now focusing on NBC Universal slash Bravo. In terms of
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Speaker 2: getting the reality stars, what she feels like is they
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Speaker 2: just do everything from She wants them compensated for using merchandise.
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Speaker 2: She wants them to have some of the same rights
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Speaker 2: as a sac after union workers. In addition to she
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Speaker 2: wants them to get higher pay, and she also wants
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Speaker 2: them which I was like, ooh girl, Bethany, what are
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Speaker 2: we doing sis? She also wants retroactive pay for these
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Speaker 2: reality stars and some of the things that her and
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Speaker 2: her turnings are alleging is out of this world. But
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Speaker 2: before we get into the documents, when you first heard
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Speaker 2: about this, Kate, what was your reaction.
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Speaker 3: I think of myself as a very measured person. I
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Speaker 3: like to have all of the information before I kind
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Speaker 3: of decide on something. I actually was just on Mark
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Speaker 3: Jerragos's show. He's one of the attorneys, and I was
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Speaker 3: asking some of the questions about it too, because I
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Speaker 3: think for the lay person it can be a little
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Speaker 3: bit confusing. And so you have the scripted world and
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Speaker 3: the unscripted world, and unscripted has has not been included
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Speaker 3: in this strike discussion talks even that pre date this year.
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Speaker 3: For context, people should understand that reality shows really exploded
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Speaker 3: in the early two thousands with like Survivor and a
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Speaker 3: lot of the competition shows. Then when there was a
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Speaker 3: strike two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, there
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Speaker 3: really was a reality explosion because those shows were easier
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Speaker 3: to make smaller budgets, quicker timelines. So over time, unscripted,
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Speaker 3: as you know, has exploded. And so now here we
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Speaker 3: are in twenty twenty three and there are all of
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Speaker 3: these nuances are that are being discussed for the scripted world,
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Speaker 3: and rightly so, I think people in unscripted feel as
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Speaker 3: if they have been overlooked. And I do think all
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Speaker 3: of this stuff these are great conversations to have because
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Speaker 3: ultimately people should be treated equally and be compensated for
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Speaker 3: the work that they do. So now, as far as
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Speaker 3: how this will all work out, I'm still kind of
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Speaker 3: finding myself trying to understand all the moving parts. I
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Speaker 3: have the list of the ten things that she is suggesting.
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Speaker 3: You've mentioned some of them. They include unscripted talent with
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Speaker 3: shows that make it to air. Minimum should be five
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars per episode. Talent should receive a ten percent
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Speaker 3: raise each season. If the show is a huge success
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Speaker 3: and ratings have increased, then it's subject to negotiation. The
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Speaker 3: talent can walk away. Talent gets ten percent of their
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Speaker 3: last negotiated talent fee for additional seicles. Any additional streamer
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Speaker 3: airing that season will also pay ten percent on shooting
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Speaker 3: promotional days. Talent gets a per diem of one hundred
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Speaker 3: dollars a day for series talent they've been that have
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Speaker 3: not been paid. For shows that have continued to air,
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Speaker 3: they should receive five thousand dollars per season retroactively from
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Speaker 3: each distributor. Talent is not required to give any proceeds
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Speaker 3: of their business to any network or streamer. Talent should
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Speaker 3: not be prohibited from promoting special brands on their social
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Speaker 3: media so that the networks and streamers can try to
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Speaker 3: garner the income for themselves. And lastly, talent should receive
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Speaker 3: a percentage of gross proceeds from antllar EMRCH. So I
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Speaker 3: was eager to kind of talk to you about this
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Speaker 3: because you, of course are on the production part of it.
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Speaker 3: Now it seems as if, thus far most of the
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Speaker 3: conversations that I'm hearing are in regard to just the talent.
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Speaker 3: So what can you tell me about any discussions that
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Speaker 3: are happening in unscripted when it comes to the production
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Speaker 3: side of it. Are they eager to have changes made also?
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Speaker 3: And of those things? Because you also are someone who
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Speaker 3: makes a show that was interested to hear what you
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Speaker 3: think about some of these terms, because, as I mentioned,
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Speaker 3: the thing about unscripted is it's notoriously easier to make
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Speaker 3: than a scripted show, as one could expect, right, And
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Speaker 3: what the lay person may not understand is that typically
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Speaker 3: with unscripted contracts, you get paid the longer you're on
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Speaker 3: a show. So my first question is what do you
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Speaker 3: think about discussions with regard to unionizing compensation and also
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Speaker 3: what do you think that The second part of it
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Speaker 3: is as somebody who makes these shows about the terms
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Speaker 3: that she has suggested.
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Speaker 4: So that's in two parts.
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Speaker 2: Well, first starts I agree with you in the sense
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Speaker 2: of look to be a reality star is one of
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Speaker 2: the toughest, if not toughest job in the entertainment industry
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Speaker 2: when you think about on camera talent, right, actors, they
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Speaker 2: are able to hide behind a character, a role they play.
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Speaker 2: They get to go home and not have to deal
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Speaker 2: with people judging the character.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: An athlete, they leave everything out on the field, the court, whatever,
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Speaker 2: right when it comes to sports, they get to go
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Speaker 2: home and no one's really judging their everyday lives because
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Speaker 2: they're not seeing it.
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Speaker 1: Same with the actors.
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Speaker 2: So when it comes to reality stars, I always felt
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Speaker 2: that the reality star were definitely the step children of
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Speaker 2: this industry, the forgotten child, if you will, and they
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Speaker 2: the show. I'm curious what you think. I think anybody
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Speaker 2: in this industry who wants to be a disruptor, that's fine.
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Speaker 2: I consider myself a disruptor, and by disruptor, I mean
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Speaker 2: able to do that. The one thing that people are
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Speaker 2: having a hard time grasping Kate with the intention. What
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Speaker 2: is Bethany's intention here? Look, I don't know Bethany personally.
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Speaker 2: I met her once. I had an overall deal at
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Speaker 2: this production company in Los Angeles, and Bethany also had
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Speaker 2: to deal with them too. And Bethany was accepting pitches
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Speaker 2: of ideas from the production companies who.
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Speaker 1: Were a part of this bigger corporation.
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Speaker 2: Long story short, we had a lunch meeting at the
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Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Hotel.
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Speaker 1: In California. Everybody and she came in.
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Speaker 2: She is everything you see on television, everything like I've spoken, energy,
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Speaker 2: all of those things. What was funny about the the
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Speaker 2: meeting is she loved my idea. She said, you gave
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Speaker 2: me the best idea since I've been here. I love it,
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Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. And she kept saying,
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Speaker 2: do me a favor and elevate this elevated more like
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Speaker 2: she was talking like that.
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Speaker 1: Kate elevated, elevated more. But I like this.
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Speaker 2: As she was talking to one of the presidents of
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Speaker 2: the company, I like this.
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Speaker 1: This is good. So I'm like, Okay, Wow, I may
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Speaker 1: actually have a show with Bethany. Long story short sister.
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Speaker 2: She left that company maybe a month or two after
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Speaker 2: the meeting, so the show never came about, right, So
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Speaker 2: I'll have that to say.
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Speaker 1: When I met her, she was very nice. She was
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Speaker 1: everything you saw.
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Speaker 2: There's other people, thought Kate, who believe that she doesn't
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Speaker 2: do anything without getting something out of it, and they
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Speaker 2: think this reality reckoning, as she puts it, is a
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Speaker 2: way for her to give a big middle finger to
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Speaker 2: Andy Cohen and Bravo.
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Speaker 3: What could have happened for her to feed that out
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Speaker 3: angry at Andy Cohen and one specific network though.
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Speaker 1: That's the million dollar question.
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Speaker 2: Now if you go down the rabbit hole on social
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Speaker 2: media like I do. People are saying that when Bethany
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Speaker 2: created her rewives podcast where Bethany, and again her words,
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Speaker 2: a big celebrity would rewatch a Housewives episode and recap
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Speaker 2: it and talk about it, she went on Andy Cohen
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Speaker 2: show to promote it because Andy days prior to her
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Speaker 2: appearance on Watch What Happens Live, Andy did an interview
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Speaker 2: where he says something along the lines of he was
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Speaker 2: surprised she was doing the podcast because all she does
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Speaker 2: is shit talk.
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Speaker 1: The brand.
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Speaker 2: He goes on Watch What Happens Live is Andy and
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Speaker 2: Jeff Lewis, and Bethany has said she felt ambushed because Jeff,
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Speaker 2: as we all know, was going there when it came
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Speaker 2: to like, why are you doing this? You hate the show,
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Speaker 2: you talk so much shit about it. Why are you
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Speaker 2: doing this? You don't think this is a copycat of
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Speaker 2: what the other Housewives podcast are And then Andy started
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Speaker 2: engaging in the conversation. Bethany, as you know, can defend herself,
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Speaker 2: but and I thought she did a good job defending herself. However,
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Speaker 2: she left that studio and said she felt ambushed and
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Speaker 2: she doesn't know why.
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Speaker 1: Andy is mad because she's able to.
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Speaker 2: Do whatever she wants because she was on Housewives, and
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Speaker 2: they believe by day, the fans, they believe that was
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Speaker 2: the first sign that there was a rook.
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Speaker 3: In their friendship. Well, I think what you have there
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Speaker 3: is a notoriously independent person, right, and there's someone who
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Speaker 3: has centered their career around these shows. So of course
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Speaker 3: he's going to take offense if she leaves the show
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Speaker 3: and says things that are negative, right, So one I
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Speaker 3: could see both both sides of that, you know how
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Speaker 3: they both could feel. Unfortunately, I think it's the other
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Speaker 3: people around them that probably fan, the flames probably meane
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Speaker 3: it a lot worse, right.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And this is the tricky part.
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Speaker 2: Bethany and Andy were very close, very close. They would
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Speaker 2: spend time in the Hamptons together and they're separate homes,
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Speaker 2: of course, and you could tell they had a great relationship.
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Speaker 2: I think Andy said in his book he went to
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Speaker 2: like a Bethany party, you know, after she left the show,
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Speaker 2: and that's when he mentioned coming back to Housewives. She said,
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Speaker 2: let's talk about this, you know, in a day or
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Speaker 2: two without tons of people at my party. She mentioned
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Speaker 2: he went over her apartment and set her down and said,
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Speaker 2: please come back to the show. She said, you cannot
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Speaker 2: afford me, and he said, give me a number.
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Speaker 1: She said.
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Speaker 2: She gave him a number that she thought would be
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Speaker 2: like no way, Jose, and they made it work and
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Speaker 2: that's how she came back on the show. So the
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Speaker 2: problem is this, I believe that Bethany knows too much.
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Speaker 4: She knows how the sausage is made.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because if you're that close with an executive who
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Speaker 2: knows what type of conversations you're having over Ramona Singer's
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Speaker 2: Pano Grigio.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think that that's why Andy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know Andy personally, but from things
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Speaker 3: he said, he doesn't really have friendships with them. I
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Speaker 3: mean text messaging is one thing, but like they come
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Speaker 3: over to his own home, they know deep and personal things.
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Speaker 3: You've got to set a boundary because I think there
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Speaker 3: has to be some sort of line there. I don't
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Speaker 3: think you could be on a show as a housewife
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Speaker 3: and then be privy to conversations and then go back
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Speaker 3: right back into the den, you know, because it puts
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Speaker 3: you an unfair advantage with the other cast And I
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Speaker 3: presume that probably is what happened once she went back.
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Speaker 3: It creates friction, as you would I would assume you
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Speaker 3: have had to deal with in the past, not on
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Speaker 3: just one show but others. But if there's another cast
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Speaker 3: member that feels like they're in bed so to speak
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Speaker 3: with the network or the producers or any contact at
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Speaker 3: the network, that there is a power dynamic that is unfair.
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Speaker 3: So I think it probably was a recipe for disaster
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Speaker 3: for her to go back. But I can also see
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Speaker 3: why he felt offended if she said anything negative. He's like,
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Speaker 3: I did everything I good to bring you back. And
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Speaker 3: also this is a big, huge part of my career
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Speaker 3: and you're like shitting on it.
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Speaker 4: So I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I think I can see all sides of it. I
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Speaker 3: think the problem is you can't really in this industry.
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Speaker 3: I would assume it's too difficult to have a deep
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Speaker 3: friendship with someone when there's a power dynamic, like someone
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Speaker 3: is in the network and you are a cast member,
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Speaker 3: like I just probably, I think it's probably impossible.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it absolutely is, because, like you said, the power dynamic,
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Speaker 2: I mean we talk about that based on the me
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Speaker 2: too movement and relationships that you know, women who may
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Speaker 2: have with these powerful male executives, that the power dynamic
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Speaker 2: may be an issue in terms of having an office romance,
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Speaker 2: that you have to look at it deeper than just
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Speaker 2: we're attracted to each other. So I do think you're
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Speaker 2: right in the sense of, look, is it fun to
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Speaker 2: like hang out with a network exec?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, But does.
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Speaker 2: That mean in your mind you think you two are
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Speaker 2: closer than what it appears? And I think Andy is
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Speaker 2: I don't understand the.
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Speaker 1: Goal. I mean, I think the end goal obviously.
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Speaker 2: Once again, she says she wants to call it the
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Speaker 2: Bethany clause. So she wants to eradicate all of this,
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Speaker 2: in her words, old school traditions and add new to it,
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Speaker 2: but she wants it to be called the Bethany clause.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you, like I said, I think with
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Speaker 3: a lot of things, some good could come out of it,
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Speaker 3: some of the terms that she puts out here with
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Speaker 3: regard to how talent should be compensated, etc. One of
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Speaker 3: the good things that I think can come out of
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Speaker 3: this is it now that people are kind of more
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Speaker 3: privy to the commitment, the sacrifice you make if you
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Speaker 3: want to be a reality star. Is that a lot
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Speaker 3: of people that get caught up in I want to
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Speaker 3: be famous, maybe this is the escalator to success that
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Speaker 3: I want to be the face of something. I want
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Speaker 3: to be an influencer, but I don't want to make
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Speaker 3: content for two years with the hopes that somebody will
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Speaker 3: find me and if I'm on a reality show, this
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Speaker 3: is what's going to work, because it certainly has work
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Speaker 3: for many people. But I think that raising all of
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Speaker 3: this discussion will make them possibly rethink what it really
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Speaker 3: takes to be a reality star. And I thought about
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Speaker 3: this a lot listening to her interviews with Rachel.
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Speaker 1: The artist Pumbing None. That's Brakale.
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Speaker 4: I have to say this.
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Speaker 3: I think if anybody wants to be a reality star,
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Speaker 3: they need to think about this. If you are going
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Speaker 3: to consider it, you must do a couple things. You
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Speaker 3: have to have long conversations with the production company and
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Speaker 3: the people that want you to be part of the
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Speaker 3: show about the direction of the show and why they
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Speaker 3: think you are a good fit. You have to have
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Speaker 3: a great entertainment lawyer who will go through your contract
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Speaker 3: with a fine tooth comb. Don't be quick to sign
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Speaker 3: a contract because you so badly just want to use
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Speaker 3: it as an opportunity to become famous or as a
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Speaker 3: stepping stone to something else.
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Speaker 4: Really look through the language of the contract. That's really important.
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Speaker 3: Have people in your life who are not going to
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Speaker 3: be sick evinced, people who are going to tell you
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Speaker 3: the truth about the monster that you may or may
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Speaker 3: not become. That this is not going to be the
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Speaker 3: center of your life. There was a life before this,
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Speaker 3: there will be a life after that. You have to
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Speaker 3: have a good set of a sense of who you
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Speaker 3: are in the direction you want to go in the world,
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Speaker 3: and make peace with the fact that this may not
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Speaker 3: be what you think it is. In other words, you
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Speaker 3: are joining whatever show. It may be a dating show,
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Speaker 3: an ensemble show, or a competition show. And you may
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Speaker 3: have these unrealistic expectations of how famous you're going to
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Speaker 3: be and how much money you're going to make, because
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Speaker 3: there are very few people Bethany is one of them
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Speaker 3: who really make quite a bit of money, become household names,
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Speaker 3: and use it to create all these opportunities. So have
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Speaker 3: realistic expectations and finally have some sort of plan in place,
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Speaker 3: with the help of maybe a business manager, an accountant,
23:18
Speaker 3: or whatever it may be, to figure out how are
23:21
Speaker 3: you going to use this to do other things? Because
23:24
Speaker 3: if your goal is to just become the greatest star
23:30
Speaker 3: of XYZ, there are other people waiting in a line,
23:34
Speaker 3: a very long line behind you, and you're expendable. So
23:38
Speaker 3: is funny, as your family and friends tell you you are,
23:42
Speaker 3: there is someone right around the corner that can replace you.
23:44
Speaker 3: And make peace with that. So you have to have
23:46
Speaker 3: some sort of plan what are you going to do
23:49
Speaker 3: with this opportunity. So if you don't have all of
23:52
Speaker 3: those things in line, you should not be on a
23:55
Speaker 3: reality show. And I thought also of that interview that
23:59
Speaker 3: she with Rachel is that Rachel was not cut out
24:03
Speaker 3: ever to be a reality star.
24:05
Speaker 4: There are very.
24:06
Speaker 3: Few people meeting. You've got to be honest with yourself.
24:09
Speaker 3: Do you have thick skin or not? I think somebody
24:12
Speaker 3: like La La Kent has very thick skin.
24:14
Speaker 1: Yes.
24:15
Speaker 4: I think a lot of housewives have very thick skin.
24:18
Speaker 1: Yes.
24:19
Speaker 3: However, Rachel said in the interview, in the first part
24:23
Speaker 3: of it.
24:24
Speaker 4: It struck me.
24:25
Speaker 3: She said, I'm someone who has always struggled with social
24:28
Speaker 3: anxiety and judgment. Why are you on a reality show?
24:32
Speaker 3: This was some She was a woman who had been
24:34
Speaker 3: in pageants. She pursued a relationship with a guy on
24:37
Speaker 3: a reality show. She pursued the relationship in order to
24:41
Speaker 3: get access to other people in the reality show with
24:43
Speaker 3: the hope of being on a reality show. And if
24:47
Speaker 3: you do not have the mental strength to handle what
24:53
Speaker 3: will come with being on a reality show, you should
24:56
Speaker 3: never sign up for one. And I think people get
24:59
Speaker 3: really caught up in fame and the attention, and that
25:03
Speaker 3: you get invited to these things and you're going to
25:05
Speaker 3: be at this event, and they really don't have an
25:09
Speaker 3: honest conversation with themselves. In fact, I think maybe what
25:12
Speaker 3: they should those terms should include. Before you sign the
25:16
Speaker 3: contract for a reality show, you have to have a
25:18
Speaker 3: certain amount of sessions with a mental health professional about
25:22
Speaker 3: how this might completely change not only your life, the
25:25
Speaker 3: lives of the people in your family. I don't know,
25:28
Speaker 3: but I think that again, good things may come out
25:32
Speaker 3: of this. It may make a lot of people who
25:34
Speaker 3: thought reality shows were in their life plan to rethink it,
25:39
Speaker 3: because I don't think people understand how difficult it is
25:43
Speaker 3: for talent to do these shows.
25:47
Speaker 4: I think it's a really really hard hard thing.
25:50
Speaker 1: It's very hard. It's very hard.
25:51
Speaker 2: And no, you're right, if you are socially awkward and
25:56
Speaker 2: have a fear of judgment, you need to not step
25:59
Speaker 2: on anyone's casting zoom an audition to be a part
26:05
Speaker 2: of a reality show, especially one where on Badapump Rules,
26:10
Speaker 2: it's friends who have known each other for years. Some
26:13
Speaker 2: of them have slept with each other, They read each other,
26:16
Speaker 2: throw dreams, got slapped.
26:18
Speaker 1: It's an intense program.
26:19
Speaker 3: You mentioned somebody who says I have a fear of
26:22
Speaker 3: social anxiety and judgment signing up for Real Housewives of
26:25
Speaker 3: Atlanta or for f Boy Island or Survivor like that's
26:32
Speaker 3: a recipe for disaster.
26:33
Speaker 2: You can't survive on the island of the Real Housewives
26:36
Speaker 2: if you're that person.
26:37
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why.
26:39
Speaker 2: You know, as somebody who hire reality stars to be
26:42
Speaker 2: one of my shows.
26:43
Speaker 1: I look for that can you handle it? And listen?
26:46
Speaker 2: Some appear they can, and after the first season, no
26:49
Speaker 2: one can because you're not understanding what you're getting into.
26:52
Speaker 1: But after the first season they normally are like, Okay,
26:55
Speaker 1: we got it. You got it. It's like being a
26:57
Speaker 1: freshman in college.
26:59
Speaker 2: You go through your freshman you know, you're sort of like,
27:02
Speaker 2: what is this, I'm confused.
27:04
Speaker 1: I want to go back home.
27:05
Speaker 2: You go back home every weekend because you miss your
27:07
Speaker 2: old life, right, yes, But in your sophomore year, you're like,
27:12
Speaker 2: you know what, girl, I got it. That's what it's
27:14
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27:16
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Speaker 2: I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. The
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Speaker 2: artist formerly known as Raquel Rachel. She said on Bethany's
30:11
Speaker 2: podcast that well, not only she mentioned this, Alex Baskin,
30:16
Speaker 2: the executive producer of vand the Pump Rules, who I
30:20
Speaker 2: know is in front of yours. Kate Rachel and Alex
30:24
Speaker 2: did confirm separately that the show Vanda Pump Rules was
30:30
Speaker 2: on the verge of cancelation before scanned.
30:33
Speaker 3: Of all, he said on my show too, for people
30:36
Speaker 3: that don't watch the show, I think that the reason
30:38
Speaker 3: that it exploded this year was because it reminds a
30:41
Speaker 3: lot of older people, older older than twenty five, of
30:45
Speaker 3: the time in their life where they had less responsibilities. Right,
30:48
Speaker 3: you could just go out all night, maybe you worked.
30:51
Speaker 1: At a bar.
30:51
Speaker 3: So obviously a lot of women enjoyed The Bachelor and
30:56
Speaker 3: Real Housewives, but in my experience, a lot of men
31:00
Speaker 3: will say to me, oh, I love Vanner Pump Roules.
31:02
Speaker 3: It's a show that couples can watch, that friends can
31:05
Speaker 3: watch and all text each other. It's both men and
31:08
Speaker 3: women watch it. I think they were so struck by
31:10
Speaker 3: this because Rachel up At had this at this point,
31:16
Speaker 3: had seemed like a like a like a very kind hearted,
31:20
Speaker 3: sweet and gentle person. And I think the audience felt
31:23
Speaker 3: had that they were scammed by her because he or
31:27
Speaker 3: she was carrying on this affair with a very close
31:31
Speaker 3: friend someone argued, best friend with her partner. And I
31:36
Speaker 3: think that struck a lot of the audience. They probably
31:38
Speaker 3: have known someone or been cheated on, and so they
31:41
Speaker 3: have this visceral reaction to that. And then the last
31:44
Speaker 3: layer of it is you're watching it all or not
31:46
Speaker 3: all unfold, but part of it unfold. Because basically the
31:51
Speaker 3: affair wasn't revealed until well after they had finished filming,
31:56
Speaker 3: so a lot of the grievances that have come up
31:58
Speaker 3: those were things that were filmed or were not filmed.
32:01
Speaker 3: They were off camera, So in going back and watching
32:06
Speaker 3: the footage, people can see that there's this menacing quality
32:10
Speaker 3: to her, Like there's this one scene where she's asking
32:14
Speaker 3: Arianna about the level of intimacy she has with Tom
32:19
Speaker 3: and you know now as a viewer, that she's sleeping
32:22
Speaker 3: with them the whole time, and that, I'm sorry, is
32:24
Speaker 3: a diabolical thing. That's diabolical to ask a woman about
32:29
Speaker 3: the level of intimacy that she's sharing with the man
32:32
Speaker 3: she's with and you're secretly sleeping with him. So that
32:37
Speaker 3: is why people went bananas this season watching it because.
32:40
Speaker 4: Of those two things.
32:42
Speaker 3: So, yeah, a lot of us that has been said,
32:44
Speaker 3: like why wasn't this coboard or a lot of the
32:49
Speaker 3: stuff that was happening happened after they had filmed. All
32:54
Speaker 3: the story coming out about the affair happened after they
32:57
Speaker 3: finished filming. So then they got the cameras back up
32:59
Speaker 3: and they filed for a film for a little bit
33:01
Speaker 3: to kind of tie the story with a loose end
33:03
Speaker 3: and then they had their reunion. Yeah, so that is
33:08
Speaker 3: why people got so caught up in all of this.
33:11
Speaker 3: And now she said in the interview too, she was
33:13
Speaker 3: very frustrated that they had all had monetized. But again,
33:18
Speaker 3: this is the nature of a very brutal entertainment industry,
33:21
Speaker 3: and this is true for scripted too, is that you
33:25
Speaker 3: have to strike the iron while it's hot. Right, So
33:28
Speaker 3: when this all happened, she went to a mental health facility,
33:31
Speaker 3: which I applaud her for. I thought that was the
33:34
Speaker 3: right decision to make, and a lot of them the
33:38
Speaker 3: show was airing, and so they struck the iron while
33:41
Speaker 3: it's hot. They had merchandise things done to kind of
33:46
Speaker 3: make money for themselves. So now she's left the facility
33:50
Speaker 3: and she's frustrated that they made all this money. Well,
33:55
Speaker 3: I think that what she should have done is weighted year,
34:00
Speaker 3: if not more, to do any interviews, to have gone
34:04
Speaker 3: off the grid, gone back into a career that she
34:07
Speaker 3: was interested in before. I know that she had studied kinesiology.
34:10
Speaker 3: She talked about wanting to be an occupational therapist for children,
34:14
Speaker 3: specifically in pediatrics. That is fantastic, gone and done, that
34:18
Speaker 3: got off television, because in my experience, the most interesting
34:21
Speaker 3: interviews are people that have had some sort of life
34:24
Speaker 3: experience outside of television got far more centered and then
34:30
Speaker 3: they have much more interest like introspection and insight not
34:35
Speaker 3: only just about who they are, but how they participated
34:38
Speaker 3: in this moment in television. Right, But she didn't give
34:41
Speaker 3: herself much space to do that. I'm and I worry
34:45
Speaker 3: that she's sort of lost her voice in this because
34:49
Speaker 3: I don't know when she's going to have some time
34:52
Speaker 3: and space to really think about how she participated in
34:56
Speaker 3: this crazy story. And now she had mentioned she wants
35:00
Speaker 3: to do a podcast, and she thinks that there's this
35:02
Speaker 3: on top market of the of people telling the story
35:06
Speaker 3: of like what it's like to be the other woman?
35:09
Speaker 3: Now you're branding yourself. Would you want to walk away
35:12
Speaker 3: from that after this?
35:14
Speaker 1: And that's a thing. Let me go backwards a bit.
35:18
Speaker 2: Not everybody is meant to host a podcast.
35:22
Speaker 1: Ray, Rachel. I'm sorry, Rachel, I love you.
35:27
Speaker 2: You're nobody's host, and it's fine, and it's like, that's
35:30
Speaker 2: number one. You don't need to host anything, girl, So
35:33
Speaker 2: let's not do a podcast, my sweetpee.
35:35
Speaker 1: That's number one.
35:36
Speaker 2: Number two You're right, Kate, Why would you if all
35:40
Speaker 2: of this has traumatized you? And I believe it has.
35:44
Speaker 2: I believe it has one hundred percent. You can look
35:46
Speaker 2: at her eyes and till it's traumatizing. You can't continue
35:51
Speaker 2: taking the drug that has caused you to be put
35:55
Speaker 2: in rehab. You just you have to be so to
36:00
Speaker 2: walk away and be sober from it. So the drug
36:03
Speaker 2: is the stamp that's on your back, essentially.
36:09
Speaker 1: Which is the other woman. Why talk about it?
36:12
Speaker 2: All that is going to do is remind you every
36:14
Speaker 2: time you talk to somebody of the scandal situation.
36:19
Speaker 4: So she had two decisions.
36:20
Speaker 3: You could either not go to a mental health facility
36:22
Speaker 3: and you can make merchandise that say you know, I'm
36:25
Speaker 3: a mistress or whatever, But like, don't you want to
36:29
Speaker 3: move on from that?
36:30
Speaker 2: Bethany received a lot of back lad from her interview
36:33
Speaker 2: with Rachel. These people k are reading Bethany for filth.
36:39
Speaker 2: They're saying, you talk about exploitation. You exploited Rachel all
36:46
Speaker 2: over again. You did not compensate her for the interview,
36:51
Speaker 2: You did not do your research watching the show.
36:55
Speaker 1: You talked over her the.
36:56
Speaker 2: Entire time, and a lot of people weren't into it.
37:01
Speaker 2: Bethany clapped back and said, all you haters, whatever, I
37:06
Speaker 2: have the number one worldwide podcast in the world, and
37:09
Speaker 2: you guys are just jealous. How do you know what
37:12
Speaker 2: I'm not doing for Rachel? You guys don't know. But
37:15
Speaker 2: I love engagement. What are your thoughts on that.
37:17
Speaker 4: I don't think she cares what I think or anyone
37:20
Speaker 4: else think. So who cares?
37:21
Speaker 1: Well? I care Kate Casey, and so does my rain drops.
37:25
Speaker 3: I'll say this, I would hope that people appreciate that
37:30
Speaker 3: when I interview them, I do the work and I
37:32
Speaker 3: watch the show, and I've really invest myself in their
37:36
Speaker 3: personal stories.
37:43
Speaker 1: Drop Mike, I mean Mike, drop, Mike drop.
37:48
Speaker 2: And I will also add to that to Kate, you
37:52
Speaker 2: actually are invested.
37:55
Speaker 1: In the subject matter.
37:57
Speaker 2: You actually you want to know, you want to get
38:02
Speaker 2: into the psyche of your subjects, and really walk away
38:05
Speaker 2: saying I learned something after this interview and when it
38:10
Speaker 2: came to Rachel. Look, I have not yet listened to
38:15
Speaker 2: the three part conversation because I listened to Bethany and
38:23
Speaker 2: Jail reunion conversation and Bethany was over talking Jill the
38:30
Speaker 2: whole time, and I had to no, Shay, turn it off.
38:35
Speaker 2: But you know, for Rachel, I just couldn't stop maach
38:44
Speaker 2: another over talking conversation.
38:46
Speaker 3: Okay, Casey, Well, I think there's something to it. I did,
38:51
Speaker 3: but I think there's something about Bethany. You know, Listen,
38:54
Speaker 3: everybody gets to choose who they want to interview them
38:58
Speaker 3: and I think that it sounds as if Rachel's mother,
39:03
Speaker 3: who has a huge influence in her life, has felt
39:08
Speaker 3: a connection to Bethany. And I think that's everyone as
39:11
Speaker 3: a prerogative about who they want to interview. So that's
39:14
Speaker 3: the great thing about having a million different shows and
39:16
Speaker 3: a million different hosts. I hope that she felt like
39:20
Speaker 3: her story was told in the way that she wanted
39:23
Speaker 3: it to be told. And like I said, my advice
39:26
Speaker 3: would be for her to have waited and to waited
39:29
Speaker 3: for a year if she wants to wait a year.
39:32
Speaker 3: Some of the questions I would like to ask her
39:34
Speaker 3: are about why she even pursued being in pageants, because
39:40
Speaker 3: I think if you start there, you can really start
39:42
Speaker 3: to unravel it and get to the heart of it.
39:46
Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right about that.
39:47
Speaker 2: So look, it remains to be seen what the outcome
39:51
Speaker 2: is going to be. With Bethany's Reality Reckoning and one
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