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FAMILY IN 'LIVING HELL' AS CALIFORNIA TEACHER VANISHES FROM YOGA RETREAT: WHERE'S NANCY? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a family in living hell
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Speaker 1: as a gorgeous young California teacher mysteriously vanishes from a
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Speaker 1: yoga retreat. Where's Nancy? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. A beautiful young California
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Speaker 1: teacher disappears on a yoga retreat abroad. Where is Nancy?
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Speaker 1: Why do our beautiful young Americans seemingly vanish into thin
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Speaker 1: air when they go abroad? This for a yoga retreat?
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Speaker 1: I'm just not buying the story. I'm being sold with
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Speaker 1: me an all star pound to make sense of Nancy's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go straight out to Nicki
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Speaker 1: and Jonathan Ing, the sister and brother of Nancy. To
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Speaker 1: both of you, thank you for being with us. Nikki,
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Speaker 1: when did you first learn your sister has as everyone says, vanishes.
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Speaker 1: They make it sound like it's a magic trick that
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Speaker 1: there she is and drum roll, now she's gone. None
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Speaker 1: of this is making sense to me. When did you
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Speaker 1: learn that your sister had vanished?
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Speaker 2: We first heard she went missing on October nineteenth.
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Speaker 3: My deb received a call from Eddie Ramada.
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Speaker 2: When you're going to organize her that day to see
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Speaker 2: that she had gone out on the water and never returned.
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Speaker 1: You know, Jonathan, there's something missing in that story. You know,
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Speaker 1: we just covered the case of a beautiful young university student, Sadiitsha,
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Speaker 1: who was just at the water's edge, and now she's gone.
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Speaker 1: Same thing happened with Natalie Holloway, Same thing happened with
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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner. I have got a file this thick of
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Speaker 1: peace well that go missing off yoga retreats. I do
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Speaker 1: not believe that one moment Nancy's there and the next
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Speaker 1: moment Nancy's gone. What were you told, Jonathan?
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Speaker 4: We were told in the phone call Maddie that Christina
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Speaker 4: and now she's at the police station. You'll get all
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Speaker 4: the information that you need when we get the report
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Speaker 4: next week. And we just waited patiently and we didn't
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Speaker 4: get the answers we got.
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Speaker 2: We get the.
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Speaker 1: Answers that we need because the answers don't really make
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Speaker 1: any sense. You are seeing video this gorgeous young teacher,
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Speaker 1: Nancy ng She lives in California. She goes to a
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Speaker 1: yoga retreat and she's never seen again. Look at her,
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Speaker 1: full of life, full of joy. Why is she gone?
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Speaker 1: What happened. The family literally in a living hell. Listen.
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Speaker 5: Special needs teacher Nancy Ing is in Guatemala for a
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Speaker 5: yoga retreat. During a kayak trip on Lake Adalon, Christina
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Speaker 5: Balzak and Nancy Ying go further on the lake than
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Speaker 5: their group. When Balzac claims Nancy got out of her
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Speaker 5: kayak to swim, Balzak returns to shore alone. Nancy Ings
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Speaker 5: never seen again.
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Speaker 1: This story is not fitting together for me again with
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Speaker 1: me in addition to Nicki and Jonathan Ng an all
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Speaker 1: star panel, let me go straight out to Mary Beth
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Speaker 1: mcday joining us anchor Katla. Mary Beth, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What led Nancy Yng to go to
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Speaker 1: this yoga retreat?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, from my understanding, she's a very busy woman. She
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Speaker 6: needed a much needed break. She'd been onto this yoga
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Speaker 6: retreat the previous year and wanted to go back and
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Speaker 6: get some relaxations. She went with a group of ten people,
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Speaker 6: and the second to last day they were there, they
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Speaker 6: went out for this kayak trip and then, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 6: everyone came back, all nine people except for Nancy. She
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Speaker 6: as you mentioned, well, she just seemed to vanish.
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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things.
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Speaker 6: There are two things that really stuck out in my
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Speaker 6: mind with this Nancy is that Number one, the family
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Speaker 6: has always said, you know, because the final woman to
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Speaker 6: see her alive, it said, oh, she drowned. And I
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Speaker 6: know to the family this did not make sense. I
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Speaker 6: remember the heartbroken father was saying to his other children,
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Speaker 6: how can this be? I taught I taught Nancy how
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Speaker 6: to swim.
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Speaker 3: She's a good swimmer.
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Speaker 6: And he would sleep with the phone in his bed
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Speaker 6: every night, hoping to finally get good news about his daughter.
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Speaker 3: And one other kind of suspicious thing.
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Speaker 6: That I also found is that after the other nine
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Speaker 6: were back on shore and Nancy was missing, the people
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Speaker 6: from the ook retreat they all left. No one stayed
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Speaker 6: behind to help, and then they left Guatemala within about
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Speaker 6: eight to twelve hours. And that's according to the people
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Speaker 6: who run the kayak rentels. And according to those people
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Speaker 6: from the kayak b rentals, they say the gentleman went
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Speaker 6: out to try to search for Nancy, he couldn't find her.
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Speaker 6: And as far as I know, to this state, they
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Speaker 6: never got paid for the renting out those kayaks. So
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Speaker 6: I just know that the kayak rentel people are very
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Speaker 6: suspicious to hear while no one's staying behind to find
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Speaker 6: out what happens to this poor woman.
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Speaker 3: You just all flee Guatemala.
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Speaker 1: So that was very suspicious, you know, Mary Meth McDade
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Speaker 1: joining US anchor kt LA Mary Beth, he just says
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Speaker 1: something very probitive in my mind. It's not that I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that they're all strung out about not getting their
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars for the rental, but what does that prove?
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Speaker 1: They all just left. You've got this person you've been
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Speaker 1: on a yoga retreat with for days. You've gotten to
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Speaker 1: know her, to like her, to care about her. You
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Speaker 1: are all there together at the kayak rental. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: come back, and you leave so quickly you don't even pay,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 6: And I've covered many stories out here in Los Angeles
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Speaker 6: where someone goes swimming up around Palasertes Finance Lea. There's
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Speaker 6: a lot of caves and there all these group of
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Speaker 6: young people like to win there and swim. People don't leave.
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Speaker 6: They stayed along the shoreline. Many people gather, everyone starts
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Speaker 6: looking where's.
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Speaker 3: This poor woman? That wasn't the case in this situation.
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Speaker 5: Everyone left.
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Speaker 6: I mean, how do you leave someone behind? And then
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Speaker 6: leave Guatemala within eight to twelve hours.
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Speaker 1: You don't look, you know, you don't look.
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Speaker 7: I just find that.
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Speaker 1: I know I may be projecting Mary Beth McDade Kate
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Speaker 1: t La, but I recall a very serious diving accident
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Speaker 1: I had and nearly drowned, and when I came to
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Speaker 1: I looked up and every single person that was on
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Speaker 1: the dive trip with me was standing right there looking
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Speaker 1: down at me. Everyone nobody just said, oh, okay, bye,
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Speaker 1: I hype, everything's okay. I just find this very disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Mary Beth, Yeah, I do too.
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Speaker 6: You think that maybe you'd hop back on the kayak,
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Speaker 6: you'd go out and try to look for her, bring
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Speaker 6: maybe a life jacket out. Fortunately, the owner of the kayak, Bronchesshop,
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Speaker 6: he did get in a boat and go look for her.
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Speaker 6: But again everyone left, so no one was around to
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Speaker 6: really give more information about Okay, well that's where she
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Speaker 6: was last scene. Okay, here's you know where I.
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Speaker 3: Last saw her swimming.
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Speaker 6: You know, because from the last woman, from what we
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Speaker 6: understand she had or through her attorney, we've learned that
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Speaker 6: she says that, oh, you know, at at some point
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Speaker 6: Nancy decided to get out of the kayak and go
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Speaker 6: for a little swim, and she says she told Nancy
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Speaker 6: not to, and then she went over to try to
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Speaker 6: retrieve Nancy's kayak, not once, but twice, and then Nancy
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Speaker 6: was seriously gone.
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Speaker 3: And then she battled back to shore.
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Speaker 6: Okay, you battle back to shore to go get hell, but.
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Speaker 1: Then you leave.
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Speaker 6: I don't get it. I could never see myself leaving
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Speaker 6: a leak or the ocean or anything if I knew
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Speaker 6: that someone in my group, as you were saying, Nancy
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Speaker 6: was seriously vanished.
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Speaker 1: To Nicki Ing and Jonathan Ing, these are Nancy's brother
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Speaker 1: and sister. How did that strike you when? Okay, first
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Speaker 1: of all, I'm hearing that the witness that was last
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Speaker 1: with her, we believe, got a lawyer. Okay, but that
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Speaker 1: everyone on the excursion came back to shore and went
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Speaker 1: okay bye, and then left so quickly. They didn't even
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Speaker 1: bother to pay. They didn't have time. They wanted to
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Speaker 1: get out of there so quickly. How did that strike you, Nicki?
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Speaker 2: I just think none of it makes sense. I think
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Speaker 2: one of the most appalling facts that we've heard is
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Speaker 2: that when Christina got back to shore, he went back
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Speaker 2: to the hotel.
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Speaker 3: She didn't get back out on the boat and show.
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Speaker 2: People where in the lake in this eleven by five mile.
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Speaker 3: Lake where they were. Instead, she had gone back and.
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Speaker 2: We were told by one of the other retreat goers
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Speaker 2: that she was in the meditation doing child's pose. And
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Speaker 2: to us, that is just so stocking and unbelievable that
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Speaker 2: that's your first response. What about their urgency in finding
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Speaker 2: our sister?
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Speaker 3: Where's that?
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Speaker 8: Where's that?
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Speaker 1: If? If Niki, that is really what happened, what about it, Jonathan,
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Speaker 1: How did that strike you?
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Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 3: I feel like.
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Speaker 4: You should be out there giving information, the recon starch teams,
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Speaker 4: you know, helping everybody figure out what they can best
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Speaker 4: through to find Nancy, to find my sister, and for
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Speaker 4: her to be just.
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Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous. It's absolute ridiculous. And to be
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Speaker 3: doing child's.
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Speaker 1: Posts, Jonathan, when you were first told that Nancy just
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Speaker 1: quote vanished, those are the words. That's the word I
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Speaker 1: keep hearing describing her. One minute she's there, the next
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Speaker 1: minute she's gone. I'm not getting a clear picture of
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Speaker 1: what happened, and the fact that everyone on the excursion
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Speaker 1: just left without paying I find very curious. Jonathan.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: We we had heard that the organizer, Eddie was was
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Speaker 4: kind of shuffling and getting everybody out there in a rush,
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Speaker 4: and that just felt like, why, why would you do this?
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Speaker 4: For we had asked him. We reached out saying, hey,
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Speaker 4: is there any chance that you could stay a little
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Speaker 4: bit longer? You know, you ask me to the group
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Speaker 4: if there's anybody who's willing to stay behind and volunteer
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Speaker 4: help out. And not only did he decline to do that,
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Speaker 4: he booked his ticket, rebooked his ticket out of Wallmala
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Speaker 4: a date early, left a date earlier than he had planned.
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Speaker 4: He didn't actually people have telled us on the retreat
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Speaker 4: if Eddie had asked me, hey, the family would like
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Speaker 4: someone to stay to help out, that they would have stayed.
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Speaker 4: But he didn't even bother asking. He ignored did Nicky's
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Speaker 4: sex and calls when she'd called them and someone said
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Speaker 4: that he literally he literally saw him look at the
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Speaker 4: phone and put her face down.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Wendy Patrick joining me. Veteran California prosecutor, She's president
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Speaker 1: founder black Swan Verdicts, author of Why Bad Looks Good,
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Speaker 1: also Reading People, How to Understand People, and predict their
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Speaker 1: behavior anytime, any place. She's also the star of Today
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Speaker 1: with doctor Wendy on Casey BQ. Wendy does the term
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Speaker 1: flight fit? Is that appropriate here? Flight evidence of flight?
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Speaker 8: It's interesting you bring that up, Nancy, because that's often
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Speaker 8: argued when you have persons of interest who disappear, because
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Speaker 8: it really comes down to exactly that you have a
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Speaker 8: case where it looks like the cover up may be
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Speaker 8: part of a crime, but you don't have suspects in
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Speaker 8: this case yet, you just have suspicious behavior following this tragedy.
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Speaker 8: And one of the things that makes this scenario unique
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Speaker 8: is we all know it's challenging enough to gather forensic
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Speaker 8: evidence on land, how much harder in the middle of
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Speaker 8: the lake where the only people who would be able
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Speaker 8: to provide those leads took flight almost immediately. Now, the
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Speaker 8: reason why I may have something to do with potential
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Speaker 8: civil liability.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they didn't pay.
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Speaker 8: Maybe there are other explanations, but as you just point
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Speaker 8: out with the example you shared personally, it's not the way.
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Speaker 1: Human beings behave.
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Speaker 8: And when you look at behavioral evidence, the fact that
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Speaker 8: most people.
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Speaker 6: Stay and say what can I do to help.
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Speaker 8: Tell me where to look. Let's go to the police,
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Speaker 8: let's share information. It is absolutely just out of the pale.
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Speaker 8: And the brother and sister they picked up on this
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Speaker 8: right away that that was not only not the case here,
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Speaker 8: but that the departure date was expedient after this beautiful
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Speaker 8: young woman went missing.
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Speaker 6: Very unusual.
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Speaker 1: And of course, Wendy Patrick, you're a veteran trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: you know that in many jurisdictions judges no longer give
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Speaker 1: a jury charge regarding flight as evidence of guilt. That
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Speaker 1: is no longer allowed in many jurisdictions, while prosecutors do
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Speaker 1: still argue it under the law, and does it mean anything, Maybe,
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Speaker 1: maybe not, but it certainly bears investigation that as might
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Speaker 1: understand it, Jonathan Ing, that the guy in charge of
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Speaker 1: this excursion looked at a cell phone and put it
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Speaker 1: face down when he was being asked, reportedly to continue
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Speaker 1: the search for your sister, and everybody left, including him
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Speaker 1: rebooking his flight to get out of Dodge even earlier.
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Speaker 9: And the only reason we know this is because a
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Speaker 9: United Airlines employee went out of his way to show
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Speaker 9: a content creator that was covering Nancie's case that information.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Additionally, like it's not even that he ignored us. We
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Speaker 4: heard from the prosecutor in charge of investing in the
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Speaker 4: case that he also had a hard time reaching idea
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Speaker 4: that he was ignoring texts and calls from the investigative
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Speaker 4: people in Bottom Mall.
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Speaker 2: And the thing is, both Eddie and Christina were summoned
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Speaker 2: to provide their testimonies the day following the incident, but
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Speaker 2: by then they had already left.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, you mentioned something about civil liability that maybe
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Speaker 1: they all left because they were afraid of civil liability.
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Speaker 1: You mean they're afraid they were going to get sued.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that could have been a concern the guy that
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Speaker 1: arranged the excursion, But what about the other fellow kayakers.
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Speaker 1: They would not be subjected to any civil liability. Why
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Speaker 1: did everybody lean just like that, including the woman we
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Speaker 1: believe to be the last person to see Nancy alive. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't get it.
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Speaker 8: And that's also one of the reasons that she lawyered up,
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Speaker 8: as we say, you know, getting a lawyer prospectively, because
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Speaker 8: everybody's afraid they may be blamed. Here's the emotional value
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Speaker 8: of that kind of behavior. Whether or not people understand
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Speaker 8: the law, everyone is afraid that if they're the last
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Speaker 8: person that saw somebody alive, or if something they did
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Speaker 8: may have caused the death of another. Sometimes it's panic,
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Speaker 8: and we have seen that sometimes panic is contagious. So
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Speaker 8: we don't know exactly how this group decided together it's
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Speaker 8: best to leave, and it's awful that it happened, and
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Speaker 8: I hope that they are just broken up about it,
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Speaker 8: and maybe hopefully, especially as a result of this broadcast,
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Speaker 8: maybe they'll come forward and start to help.
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Speaker 3: But sometimes we see that that.
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Speaker 8: Ends up being sort of emotional contagion. Whether or not,
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Speaker 8: as a logical matter, any of them can be charged.
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Speaker 1: They didn't do it.
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Speaker 8: There's no evidence at this point, and slight is an
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Speaker 8: instruction that relates to a criminal defendant, not to people
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Speaker 8: at the scene that may have information that could help
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Speaker 8: law enforcement find a beautiful, young missing woman.
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Speaker 1: Mary Beth mcday joining US anchored KTLA, the woman purported
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Speaker 1: to be the last one to see Nancy before she vanished.
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Speaker 1: She does know the law. Isn't she a public defender?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, she's a public defender out in samberd Ardino County.
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Speaker 6: You know one thing that I recall from covering this
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Speaker 6: story and that is that supposedly the hotel owner in
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Speaker 6: Guatemala had taken Christina Blazac down to speak with the
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Speaker 6: police and then and hopefully Nicki and Jonathan could talk
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Speaker 6: more about this, because they learned this through their attorney.
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Speaker 3: That they hired on the ground there in Guatemala.
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Speaker 6: And by the way, an attorney down in Guatemala is
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Speaker 6: more like an investigator, just you know. But supposedly she
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Speaker 6: was taken down there and gave some at report, but
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Speaker 6: they didn't want an American behind bars in guatemalas the
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Speaker 6: hotel owner supposedly paid off some kind of bride. And
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Speaker 6: you know, Nicki and Jonathan had spoken with KTLA a
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Speaker 6: few months ago about that, and maybe they can tell
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Speaker 6: us where things stand with that, because from what I understand,
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Speaker 6: the last woman to see Nancy alive that the report
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Speaker 6: she gave to police was never in the paperwork or
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Speaker 6: the police report that was given to the family.
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Speaker 5: It takes a special kind of person to work with
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Speaker 5: children as a behavioral interventionist. It requires a professional who
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Speaker 5: can work one on one with students exhibiting challenging behaviors,
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Speaker 5: getting to know the child, and developing a plan to
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Speaker 5: modify behavior. And reduce negative behaviors. Nancy Ng is just
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Speaker 5: such a person. She works with children at Garfield Elementary
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Speaker 5: School in Alhambra. Witnesses refuse to speak. Allegedly fleeing Waamala
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Speaker 5: after a twenty nine year old woman mysteriously disappears.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Nancy Ng? Her family joining us tonight
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Speaker 1: in Living Hell with no answers? Why do so many
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Speaker 1: young and beautiful, beloved American women go abroad, this time
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Speaker 1: to a yoga retreat and they never come home? Mary
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Speaker 1: Beth McDade on the case from the Get Go anchor,
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Speaker 1: kat La, you wanted to ask a question of NICKI
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Speaker 1: and Jonathan.
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Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy and covering a story, you know, I recall
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Speaker 6: that the last woman to see Nancy alive, that the
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Speaker 6: owner of the hotel has supposedly taken her down to
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Speaker 6: the police station to file some kind of report, but
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Speaker 6: that they didn't want to have an American in jail
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Speaker 6: in Guatemala, and.
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Speaker 3: So in covering the story, learning from the family, they'd.
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Speaker 6: Hired an attorney down to Guatemala who discovered that there
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Speaker 6: was some sort of payoff by the hotel to get
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Speaker 6: that woman out of Guatemala because I guess they don't
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Speaker 6: like Americans behind bars in Guatemala. So I'm curious, you know,
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Speaker 6: Nicki and John, did you guys ever find out more
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Speaker 6: about this supposed bribe.
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Speaker 3: And you know, did it really happen? And you know,
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Speaker 3: what do you guys know about that today?
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Speaker 9: So we learn about the bribe allegations because multiple sources
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Speaker 9: that used to work at the hotel the Nancy was
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Speaker 9: staying at informed us that the reason why we don't
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Speaker 9: have Christina's witness statement in the police report is because
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Speaker 9: of bribe took place. And when we first heard this,
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Speaker 9: we were so confused because we just didn't understand why
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Speaker 9: that would happen. And like you said, we were told
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Speaker 9: that the hotel owners arranged a bribe so that Christina's
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Speaker 9: statement would be omitted so that she wouldn't have to
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Speaker 9: stay and be detained in the country.
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Speaker 1: I just hope is that your understanding, Jonathan.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we wish we get more information.
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Speaker 4: That's the most frustrating thing about this entire situation. We
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Speaker 4: have so little to work off of, and it feels
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Speaker 4: like no one else is working on other authorities working
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Speaker 4: to get us information that would actually give us clarity
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Speaker 4: and the witness is on speaking up.
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Speaker 3: It's really hard to know exactly what actually.
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Speaker 2: Happened, but what we do know for is that the
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Speaker 2: statement was purposely omitted. Even another retreat participant confirmed that
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Speaker 2: because of that decision.
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Speaker 3: We don't know what happened to our sister. And it's
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Speaker 3: been over a year and a half.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. We don't know if there
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Speaker 1: was a bride, We don't know who paid the alleged
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Speaker 1: bride for what. But we do know, don't we marry
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Speaker 1: Beth mcday KTLA. Don't we know that the witness I
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Speaker 1: believe is a lawyer, a public defender, had a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases, criminal cases that she left immediately following the
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Speaker 1: vanishing of Nancy.
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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, she's a public defender out in San Berdandino County.
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Speaker 1: And yes she did as well as.
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Speaker 3: Everyone was on that yoga retreat.
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Speaker 6: I mean they, according to the owners of the kayak
21:05
Speaker 6: retel place, they all left immediately from the lake and
21:10
Speaker 6: then they went back and they were out of Guallamalla
21:14
Speaker 6: within aged twelve hours. And what I guess I also
21:17
Speaker 6: find remarkable is here's this family. They really want to
21:20
Speaker 6: know what happened. When was the last time you saw
21:22
Speaker 6: my sister? What was she doing?
21:24
Speaker 10: Hey?
21:24
Speaker 6: Can you pinpoint in this lake exactly where you saw,
21:27
Speaker 6: so that all our search crews have some sort.
21:30
Speaker 3: Of idea where to even start.
21:32
Speaker 6: Looking, and then to use science to try to figure
21:35
Speaker 6: out where a body may go. And she really didn't
21:40
Speaker 6: come forward to the family until through her attorney, And
21:43
Speaker 6: that was after Chris Sharp, who I know you're going
21:46
Speaker 6: to be speaking with. He has the search team that
21:48
Speaker 6: was hired by the family to go down there and
21:50
Speaker 6: start looking. And from my understanding, he was a bit
21:53
Speaker 6: frustrated that he couldn't hear from this woman. Okay, please
21:57
Speaker 6: help us tell three last on Nancy. He released her
22:00
Speaker 6: name to the public and then all of a sudden,
22:03
Speaker 6: well that's when her attorney came forward and told the
22:06
Speaker 6: family her version of events.
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Speaker 3: It was about four weeks later. Why couldn't you.
22:11
Speaker 1: Have done it that day?
22:12
Speaker 3: Why couldn't you have let people know?
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Speaker 1: Excuse me right away?
22:17
Speaker 6: So searchers had a good idea where to start looking.
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Speaker 1: Joining us right now. A special guest, Chris Razor Sharp
22:25
Speaker 1: Master Eric Crewman, conducted the first aerial searches of like
22:29
Speaker 1: at Taitlan, where Nancy went missing. Reportedly went missing a
22:36
Speaker 1: fellow of the Institute of Search and Technical Rescue Helicopter Association.
22:40
Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on, and you can
22:42
Speaker 1: find him at black Wolf Helicopters dot com. Let's just
22:47
Speaker 1: say he's an expert. Chris Razor Sharp, thank you for
22:51
Speaker 1: being with us. I'm having an issue reconciling the story
22:56
Speaker 1: I'm hearing with what I know of the topography in
23:00
Speaker 1: the area and the lake. We often hear people going
23:04
Speaker 1: missing in the ocean, they're taken away by a big wave.
23:08
Speaker 1: We hear people going under in white water rapids. But
23:12
Speaker 1: in a lake, in a lake, let me think Nancy
23:16
Speaker 1: knew how to swim. She was on a kayak. She
23:20
Speaker 1: was on what should have been a very safe excursion.
23:24
Speaker 1: You ever been on a Disney cruise. I've been on
23:26
Speaker 1: plenty those excursions. I mean, you'd have to really try
23:31
Speaker 1: to get hurt. You have to go out of your
23:33
Speaker 1: way to get hurt. So, given your search of the lake,
23:38
Speaker 1: how does somebody a lake, a contained lake, how does
23:42
Speaker 1: somebody go missing and they're never found in a lake?
23:46
Speaker 7: Typically they don't just vanish, Especially in the lake, there
23:54
Speaker 7: are certain undercurrents that do pull things down. But the
23:58
Speaker 7: big problem we had because we know where to look
24:01
Speaker 7: to start the search. So that's why we ended up
24:05
Speaker 7: with helicopters searching the entire lake, the entire coachline, and
24:11
Speaker 7: then as the search progressed, we put dogs in around
24:15
Speaker 7: the resort. Obviously the scuba divers we did under it,
24:20
Speaker 7: through all the reeds and everywhere. It's a very difficult
24:24
Speaker 7: area to search in the first place. One the altitude,
24:28
Speaker 7: so everyone sees a beautiful lake. It's about six thousand
24:31
Speaker 7: feet above sea level. There's three mountain ridges we have
24:36
Speaker 7: to cross to get there, so we're operating at peak
24:41
Speaker 7: performance of the helicopter. And then due to just pure
24:46
Speaker 7: size and thankfully the family members who were in contact
24:53
Speaker 7: with us, that's the only information we had. People say,
24:57
Speaker 7: did we speak to witnesses, Well, there weren't anywhere. This
25:00
Speaker 7: is because they'd all gone. The people on the ground
25:06
Speaker 7: were unfriendly because of the press attention that was coming
25:10
Speaker 7: their way. So that's why I became a protracted search
25:15
Speaker 7: in a sense.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Chris aka Razor Sharp Guys. He starved teen years
25:23
Speaker 1: in the Royal Navy Police Special Investigations. He's a certified
25:29
Speaker 1: criminal investigator. Chris several follow up questions regarding what you
25:35
Speaker 1: just said. Number one referred to a difficulty in searching,
25:40
Speaker 1: but what you described seems to me like a difficulty
25:43
Speaker 1: in the helicopter search. As a diver, I've done hundreds
25:50
Speaker 1: of dives. I've never had a problem diving in a
25:53
Speaker 1: lake because when I think of a problem as a
25:57
Speaker 1: dive searcher, I think of chopping water, which largely goes
26:01
Speaker 1: away once you get below the surface of the chop.
26:04
Speaker 1: I think of murky water where you can't see in
26:07
Speaker 1: front of yourself, like you're doing a night dive. The
26:09
Speaker 1: water is so murky. But when you're doing this search,
26:14
Speaker 1: forget about the land search and the helicopter search. Was
26:18
Speaker 1: the water search itself.
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Speaker 7: Difficult, Yes, because of the large expanse of water, and
26:28
Speaker 7: even if you take the bay into account where the
26:31
Speaker 7: resort was, that is still a massive area for the divers.
26:37
Speaker 7: So they did various search patterns, but they can't. It
26:41
Speaker 7: drops off really deep, really quick, because we didn't have
26:45
Speaker 7: a start point of any description. That's what frustrated a
26:51
Speaker 7: lot of the efforts.
26:52
Speaker 1: Is it true, Chris, that this lake is one hundred
26:57
Speaker 1: and twenty feet deep at its deepest and it is
27:02
Speaker 1: fifty plus square miles.
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Speaker 7: Yes, that is correct.
27:05
Speaker 1: Okay, don't you believe it would have helped you if
27:11
Speaker 1: those familiar with her last known sighting could have told
27:16
Speaker 1: you specifically where they were.
27:18
Speaker 7: Absolutely, because we could have focused everything on that point.
27:24
Speaker 7: At one stage, we had three helicopters, two dive teams,
27:30
Speaker 7: the search dogs searching everywhere because we had nobody physically
27:39
Speaker 7: say it was over there. We've got various accounts, but
27:43
Speaker 7: they will differ. None of them are corroborative.
27:49
Speaker 1: You're getting different stories about where she was.
27:51
Speaker 7: Yeah, so some people say, oh, they were over here,
27:54
Speaker 7: and then we had a position, which was the other
27:58
Speaker 7: side of the lake.
27:59
Speaker 1: Is someone's they're very very mistaken or they're outright a line?
28:08
Speaker 1: And again, let me repeat, no one has been named
28:11
Speaker 1: a suspect or even a person of interest in this case.
28:14
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of stories, a lot of information
28:16
Speaker 1: coming our way, as have Nikki and Jonathan. Can't corroborate it,
28:22
Speaker 1: cannot corroborate it. Question, Chris, did you bring out cadaver dogs?
28:28
Speaker 10: Yes?
28:30
Speaker 1: Did they hit?
28:31
Speaker 2: No?
28:31
Speaker 7: So what the reason we introduced the dogs was because
28:35
Speaker 7: of the stories that the family were being fed. The
28:39
Speaker 7: fact that we had. Nobody could actually prove to me
28:45
Speaker 7: to be honest, she was actually on the lake. We're
28:48
Speaker 7: just going on the few witness accounts that we had.
28:51
Speaker 7: So the last search is that we did. We took
28:55
Speaker 7: the kadaver dogs to do that entire all around the
29:00
Speaker 7: hostel where they were staying and the other hostels. It's
29:02
Speaker 7: not a very big place. And then we put the
29:07
Speaker 7: divers under the piers in amongst the reeds and almost
29:12
Speaker 7: a body search essentially morek into a police search than
29:18
Speaker 7: a search and rescue.
29:19
Speaker 1: Chris Sharp, did the condemn dogs hit negative? Isn't it
29:24
Speaker 1: true Chris Sharp, that cadaver dogs will hit on the
29:28
Speaker 1: water if there's a dead body.
29:30
Speaker 7: Yes, we investigated that because of the scent that flows
29:35
Speaker 7: across the surface. It's not particularly windy, it's not particularly rough,
29:41
Speaker 7: but the dogs nothing.
29:44
Speaker 1: Chris, how soon after Nancy quote vanished? Did you bring
29:49
Speaker 1: in the dogs?
29:50
Speaker 7: Initially it was probably a week later, because we had
29:54
Speaker 7: to search the entire lake in case you'd swum ashore.
29:59
Speaker 7: Because you swimmer shore around the corner, you can't get
30:02
Speaker 7: out of there because it's the cliffs and the etc.
30:07
Speaker 7: Then we had spewer's reports and psychic people telling us.
30:12
Speaker 7: So we searched the entire perimeter of the lake, and
30:16
Speaker 7: obviously from the helicopter we can see vertically down quite
30:20
Speaker 7: a depth and it's the fastest way to do it.
30:26
Speaker 7: So maybe two weeks into it.
30:29
Speaker 1: Where do you have expected a cadem doctor hit after
30:31
Speaker 1: two weeks.
30:32
Speaker 7: Yes, we spoke to a bunch of guys in the
30:37
Speaker 7: United States and the dog handlers down here, and that's
30:41
Speaker 7: the reason we took them, because they felt it was
30:44
Speaker 7: a worthwhile option. If they said that, we wouldn't have
30:48
Speaker 7: used them.
30:49
Speaker 1: Can you say that people on the ground were unfriendly
30:52
Speaker 1: and not cooperative? What happened?
30:54
Speaker 7: So obviously when I named two persons of interest, retreat
31:02
Speaker 7: leader and the female, I've tried contacting them. Obviously the
31:08
Speaker 7: family had we've got nothing. I named them, and then
31:14
Speaker 7: I received threats from anonymous people saying you've got the
31:18
Speaker 7: wrong retreat. It's not that one, it's somewhere else. It's
31:23
Speaker 7: just and they don't like they operate on tourism, and obviously,
31:27
Speaker 7: being in the news as much as they were, they're
31:30
Speaker 7: not particularly friendly. What we're used to that.
31:34
Speaker 1: You know, to Nikki and Jonathan Ing listening to Chris
31:37
Speaker 1: sharp described as search. It just seems to me if
31:41
Speaker 1: this were as straightforward as we've been led to believe,
31:45
Speaker 1: that she's suddenly on the middle of a lake that's
31:49
Speaker 1: fifty square miles twelve hundred feet deep at his deepest,
31:52
Speaker 1: it's very, very deep. Amateur divers rarely go be low
31:57
Speaker 1: one hundred okay, much less twelve hundred fate if it
32:01
Speaker 1: were as straightforward as we're being told that she suddenly
32:04
Speaker 1: jumped off for kayak to go for a swim, Why
32:07
Speaker 1: is everyone being so sacretive I'm not helping. Has that
32:12
Speaker 1: crossed your mind, Nikki?
32:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it doesn't make sense. It doesn't feel
32:16
Speaker 2: like the right response to just leave, And it's just
32:21
Speaker 2: how can we direct our search themes If you don't
32:24
Speaker 2: know where to look? The only person that was with
32:26
Speaker 2: Nancy is a willing to speak to them, How do
32:29
Speaker 2: they know where to look? It feels near impossible.
32:32
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ing, did you realize that Sidekicks had been consulted?
32:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were reaching out to us, trying to offer
32:39
Speaker 4: us their services. Some of them sent us what they
32:43
Speaker 4: had seen, just un prompted. I think I remember one
32:52
Speaker 4: instance where the shot organizer we talked about him Eddie.
32:56
Speaker 4: He had circled two points on a map with his
33:00
Speaker 4: like iPhone and we left from here, and this is
33:05
Speaker 4: where you'll Findancy. And they were just both ridiculously wrong.
33:10
Speaker 4: He was insisting this is where you'll Financy, this is
33:12
Speaker 4: where we were. The part where he circled his own
33:14
Speaker 4: location was incorrect, and definitely the part where he circled
33:18
Speaker 4: where Nancy was was way too far. It was literally
33:20
Speaker 4: in this of lake where Chris said it was literally impossible.
33:23
Speaker 1: Not helpful at all. I find it very difficult to
33:26
Speaker 1: understand why if she drowned, why cadaver dogs did not
33:31
Speaker 1: hit on the saying the cadaver dogs that Chris Razor
33:34
Speaker 1: Sharp brought out. Quick question Nikki Jonathan what happened to
33:39
Speaker 1: her cell phone?
33:41
Speaker 4: Her cell phone was left with her belongs in the hotel.
33:43
Speaker 4: She decided not to bring it because she was worried
33:45
Speaker 4: about losing it.
33:46
Speaker 1: To Nikki and Jonathan Ing, the brother and sister of Nancy,
33:50
Speaker 1: do you ever dream of her because the case is unresolved.
33:55
Speaker 4: I've jumped of her back at our family's home when
33:58
Speaker 4: we were growing up. I've seen her like in my
34:01
Speaker 4: head in my dreams at the park together with her.
34:04
Speaker 4: I see her in front of what I imagined to
34:06
Speaker 4: be like her first home. It's confusing. It's hard to
34:12
Speaker 4: know how to feel about everything and what happened and
34:16
Speaker 4: where is she now?
34:18
Speaker 2: NICKI yeah, I dream of her all the time, and
34:23
Speaker 2: it's hard. In those dreams, she's happy, and I miss
34:28
Speaker 2: seeing that. I miss the way she laughs. I think
34:32
Speaker 2: it's just we don't have closure, so that's all we
34:35
Speaker 2: have to hold on to.
34:37
Speaker 3: And even just two weeks ago during.
34:39
Speaker 2: The start, we got a photo of Nancy from someone
34:44
Speaker 2: claiming that they found her through the sex trafficking ring.
34:47
Speaker 2: And it's just things like that that make that emotional limbo. Hell,
34:53
Speaker 2: it's torture to not know what happened.
34:55
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, hold on, Nikki, you got a photo
35:00
Speaker 1: totally of your sister and the person that said it
35:02
Speaker 1: said that she was in a sex she'd been sex trafficked.
35:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:06
Speaker 2: I mean, we've gotten the countless extortion texts and calls,
35:11
Speaker 2: but the FBI have ruled most of them out as
35:15
Speaker 2: just that, like, we don't really have Nancy. It's just
35:18
Speaker 2: hard to see that and not think otherwise.
35:22
Speaker 1: So in addition and not having answers, you have all
35:25
Speaker 1: these guls contacting you claiming they know where Nancy is,
35:32
Speaker 1: including that she's been sex trafficked.
35:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's why we're trying so hard
35:38
Speaker 2: to get these search teams out there, because we just
35:40
Speaker 2: want some sort of closure and I don't want to
35:43
Speaker 2: imagine that she's out there suffering.
35:52
Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace joining us now a special Yes,
36:00
Speaker 1: Doctor Chavon, Scott's psychotherapist and author of the Minds of
36:04
Speaker 1: mass Killers, Understanding and Interrupting Pathway to Violence and game Addiction,
36:11
Speaker 1: the experience and the effects, Doctor Cheven, thank you for
36:16
Speaker 1: being with us now. See again, I'm projecting. But when
36:20
Speaker 1: my fiance was murdered, I knew what happened. I knew
36:24
Speaker 1: what happened. His body was at his funeral, he was buried.
36:30
Speaker 1: When you don't know what happened to the one you
36:33
Speaker 1: love the most, and you dream, for instance, of them
36:38
Speaker 1: walking in the door, of meeting them on the street,
36:40
Speaker 1: of seeing them across a field, it's maddening. It's hell you.
36:46
Speaker 1: First of all, you can't grieve. You don't know that
36:48
Speaker 1: they're dead, or have they been sex trafficked, have they
36:51
Speaker 1: been kidnapped? What happened to them. If they are dead,
36:55
Speaker 1: how did they die, what did they suffer? You don't know.
36:59
Speaker 1: You don't have any thing or any place to mourn.
37:02
Speaker 1: It is a living hell and it never ends.
37:05
Speaker 11: Doctor chavn nailed it. You nailed it, Nancy. This is
37:09
Speaker 11: really the family's worst nightmare, a loved one who disappears,
37:14
Speaker 11: and we don't have the true story, We don't have
37:17
Speaker 11: the details. I would like the in family to realize
37:22
Speaker 11: that what they're experiencing is not just grief. Grief is
37:25
Speaker 11: hard enough, right, We've all been through that, it's awful,
37:29
Speaker 11: But this is what we call ambiguous loss, and that
37:32
Speaker 11: means your heart is caught between hope and despair, between
37:36
Speaker 11: searching and mourning, and that emotional limbo is devastating. There's
37:40
Speaker 11: no closure, there's no roadmap, and that makes it harder
37:43
Speaker 11: to cope than almost any other kind of loss. And
37:46
Speaker 11: we really need to reach out to our support system.
37:50
Speaker 11: Heart to heart connections help people get through incredibly difficult things.
37:56
Speaker 11: But my heart just goes out to them, and I
37:58
Speaker 11: think they're doing all the rights by trying to get
38:02
Speaker 11: this dialogue going and to keep it in the media,
38:05
Speaker 11: because every missing person, it's a ripple that affects all
38:09
Speaker 11: of us.
38:09
Speaker 1: Let me understand, Nikki and Jonathan. There's only one person
38:16
Speaker 1: that claims to have seen her before she vanished, right,
38:21
Speaker 1: the public defender, the female just one. Nobody else on
38:24
Speaker 1: the excursion.
38:26
Speaker 4: Other participants. They were on the shore, they couldn't see
38:28
Speaker 4: any details. They just saw two dots. And the only
38:30
Speaker 4: person that was actually there to be able to see
38:32
Speaker 4: everything happen was the attorney was Christy.
38:35
Speaker 1: So other than her word for what happened, for all
38:39
Speaker 1: I know, Nancy could have been taken.
38:43
Speaker 9: I don't think we'll ever know for sure because even
38:47
Speaker 9: the people that have spoken to Christina have different accounts
38:50
Speaker 9: of what she said, the conflicting information, so we don't
38:55
Speaker 9: know much as what.
38:57
Speaker 3: She's told.
38:58
Speaker 2: Christina has told other particips Pins that she's not sure
39:02
Speaker 2: if Nancy jumps into the league or if she fell
39:05
Speaker 2: from her kayak, and that's very different from what her
39:07
Speaker 2: attorney is now seeing.
39:10
Speaker 4: She's said that she didn't hear anything, that's he just
39:12
Speaker 4: kind of vanished. She's also said in different concepts she
39:15
Speaker 4: heard a struggle, and those are really difficult details to
39:20
Speaker 4: mess up and to see two ways of and her
39:25
Speaker 4: not even talking to us this gives me less clue
39:27
Speaker 4: about who she is as a person, or maybe it
39:30
Speaker 4: tells me more about who she is as a person.
39:33
Speaker 1: Doctor Chavon Scott questioned to you, you would expect for
39:40
Speaker 1: witnesses material witnesses such as the woman believed to be
39:45
Speaker 1: the last person to see Nancy alive, everybody else in
39:48
Speaker 1: the group, the excursion coordinator, and more. We would expect
39:52
Speaker 1: them to stay and try to find her and expect
39:56
Speaker 1: for everyone to be forthcoming. This is what I saw her,
39:58
Speaker 1: this is what happened to me. It doesn't make sense
40:03
Speaker 1: psychologically for them to just leave.
40:06
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think any of us putting ourselves
40:09
Speaker 11: in that kind of situation, we would be devastated and
40:14
Speaker 11: we would be doing everything we possibly could to try
40:17
Speaker 11: to give the police information to scour the lake look
40:21
Speaker 11: for the vicinity. Is there anything we can come up
40:24
Speaker 11: with that would be helpful? And I think, speaking for myself,
40:28
Speaker 11: it would be hard to prime me away from that.
40:31
Speaker 11: So it does seem counterintuitive, but sometimes people can be
40:36
Speaker 11: influenced by somebody's panic reaction who says, oh, we've all
40:40
Speaker 11: got to get out of here. I think it just
40:43
Speaker 11: doesn't all add up, as everyone has said, it's different
40:48
Speaker 11: than the way most of us would imagine acting in
40:51
Speaker 11: a situation like this, where we would be panicked about
40:54
Speaker 11: trying to find the person. So I think there are
40:57
Speaker 11: so many of these gray areas where things just don't
41:01
Speaker 11: feel right, and it leaves the family in limbo just
41:05
Speaker 11: wondering and ruminating, which is a perfectly normal reaction. We'd
41:09
Speaker 11: all be doing that, but you know, and legally can
41:14
Speaker 11: anything be done, And at this point, without more evidence,
41:18
Speaker 11: we just hope that somebody comes forward or there's something
41:21
Speaker 11: that can clear it up.
41:22
Speaker 1: To Nancy and Jonathan Ing, Nancy Ang's brother and sister,
41:26
Speaker 1: did the public defender the lawyer the last one believed
41:30
Speaker 1: to have seen your sister in law. Have you tried
41:32
Speaker 1: to reach her? Has she contacted you?
41:34
Speaker 3: No, she's never contacted us.
41:36
Speaker 2: But we've tried to reach out to her via emails
41:39
Speaker 2: and even through the US Embassy Saniel letter on our behalf.
41:43
Speaker 2: She's never responded. She's refused to help search teams. And
41:47
Speaker 2: while we can understand the panic in the moment to
41:50
Speaker 2: come back home to safety in California, why not offer
41:54
Speaker 2: your help then when you're back to safety.
41:57
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make.
41:57
Speaker 1: Sense now, Remember there's a reason that hearsay is typically
42:01
Speaker 1: not allowed in court. When you hear she told me
42:06
Speaker 1: that she said that cannot be cross examined or tested.
42:11
Speaker 1: These are unconfirmed reports. No one has been charged, No
42:16
Speaker 1: one is a suspect, no one is a person of interest.
42:19
Speaker 1: What we want is the truth. Where is Nancy two?
42:27
Speaker 1: Scott Iiker joining us, founding member of the FBI Cellular
42:30
Speaker 1: Analysis Survey Team. That so Can founding member of the
42:34
Speaker 1: FBI Cellular Analysis Team currently with Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott,
42:43
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What if anything could
42:46
Speaker 1: be called from her cell phone?
42:49
Speaker 10: There's a ton of stuff that could be called from
42:50
Speaker 10: her cell phone, not only the device itself and all
42:54
Speaker 10: the text messages, all the apps that she's used, all
42:58
Speaker 10: the website she's into, but also from the cell phone
43:02
Speaker 10: towers in that area. I don't know that area in
43:05
Speaker 10: Guatemala and how much coverage they do have, but that's
43:10
Speaker 10: one thing that the FBI could be working with a
43:14
Speaker 10: Guatemalan government to try to obtain, you know what, towers
43:17
Speaker 10: that she was using before or after she went missing,
43:21
Speaker 10: to see if there's any data there that they could
43:23
Speaker 10: recover that might help in this situation.
43:25
Speaker 1: Scott Iiker, wouldn't the cell phone reveal texts and phone
43:30
Speaker 1: calls leading up to hurt disappearance? Who were there? Was
43:36
Speaker 1: there any controversy, were there any mad feelings? I mean,
43:39
Speaker 1: how long does that data stay in the cloud?
43:42
Speaker 10: It really depends, you know, the cloud servers for whatever
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Speaker 10: service she's using there in Guatemala, and if she's using
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Speaker 10: any applications that are US based or based anywhere else,
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Speaker 10: that could stay there a good amount of time. Plus
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Speaker 10: the stuff in her phone will stay there. So hopefully
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Speaker 10: they recovered her phone and they've done an extraction of
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Speaker 10: the data on there and review that to see if
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Speaker 10: there's any controversy or any issues prior to her going missing.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing Scott Iiker joining US an expert in cellular
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Speaker 1: analysis formerly with the FBI, now a precision cellular analysis.
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Speaker 1: You know, Chris Sharp. The search, your search or extensive
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Speaker 1: search for me leads to even more questions.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, so search is not we don't just go out
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Speaker 7: and fly around into It is based on human behavior,
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Speaker 7: what people do. The circumstances around like oh, she fell
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Speaker 7: off a kayak and it's like, so you didn't try
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Speaker 7: and help your fellow human in the water. People don't
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Speaker 7: just sink immediately. It's so frustrating. And then the fact
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Speaker 7: that they had all change the flights and gone by
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Speaker 7: the time we were even contacted, So is we had
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Speaker 7: no first time to count from anybody apart from what
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Speaker 7: the family gave us.
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Speaker 1: Nicki and Jonathan, Ang, what is your message tonight? First
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Speaker 1: to you?
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Speaker 9: Nicki, I think our message is that we are not
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Speaker 9: vengeful people. We truly just want the truth about what
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Speaker 9: happened to our sister and as much information as we
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Speaker 9: can get to find her and bring her home.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan, it's upset.
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Speaker 3: I'm frustrated.
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Speaker 4: I'm upset, and I just really hope that those who
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Speaker 4: have information, those who are responsible, that they come forth
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Speaker 4: still after all this time, that they come forth.
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Speaker 3: So that they can give us what we need to
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Speaker 3: find our sister.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan, what haunts you the most the fact that you
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Speaker 1: don't know where her body is or that she may
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Speaker 1: still be alive.
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Speaker 4: I think the thought that she may still be alive
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Speaker 4: is it's a lot. Yeah, I don't want her to
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Speaker 4: be out there suffering.
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Speaker 1: Nick What disturbs you the most about your sister's disappearance.
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Speaker 3: I think all of it.
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Speaker 9: I just can't wrap my head around the fact that
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Speaker 9: people can just pick up and leave and not help
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Speaker 9: at all. I mean, Nancy was the kind of person
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Speaker 9: that went out of her way to help anybody, even strangers,
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Speaker 9: and so the fact that she's potentially gone forever and
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Speaker 9: that the people that were last with her are not
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Speaker 9: willing to help at all, it just really breaks me heart.
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Speaker 4: It really painful getting information about our sister, not even
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Speaker 4: through the witnesses directly, but through learning about it through
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Speaker 4: national television. I just wish there was a die so
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Speaker 4: we can learn more.
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Speaker 1: Where is Nancy, what happened to her, could she still
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Speaker 1: be alive? And under what circumstances. No one has been charged,
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Speaker 1: No one is a suspect, no one is a person
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Speaker 1: of interest. For all we know, these players' behavior could
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Speaker 1: be innocently explained, but we don't know that because there
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Speaker 1: seems to be a wall of silence surrounding the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of Nancy. Inc. If you know or think you know
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Speaker 1: anything about the disappearance of Nancy INNG, please please come forward.
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Speaker 1: In this family's suffering six two six, six one four
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Speaker 1: three two one eight repeat six two six six one
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Speaker 1: four three two one eight or email help us find
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Speaker 1: Nancy at gmail dot com. We remember an American hero,
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Speaker 1: Sergeant David Prarie Baton Rouge p D. Seventeen years with
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Speaker 1: law enforcement, killed in the line of duty along with
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Speaker 1: partner Corporal Scottie Canna zero and a helicopter crash. American
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Speaker 1: Hero Sergeant David Parier. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.