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Gamergate lives! Open discussion with the Badger | Badger Pod GamerGate 2 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hey, guys, welcome to the show. I'm having some issues, as
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  you might guess. I'm trying to get the Twitter spaces up and I'm running
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  into problems with it, like it's not working for some reason, and I
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  don't know why that might be the case. So what I'm trying to do
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  now is start a new space and and do it over normal, like so
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  normally some this is the thing about Twitter spaces. I have some news regardless,
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  so even if there's nothing else I can, like it's at least go
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  into some stuff dealing with gamer Gay and the and the Game Developers Conference some
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  of the stuff related to that. So don't don't sweat it. But I
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  was passed with trying to set up a Twitter spaces so that I can have
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  anybody come in and talk. But spaces is stupid. It's a really stupid
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  feature of Twitter because get this, Okay, it only works on mobile devices
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  and only the host who owns the account can create a space, and the
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  host must host the space from their device. I don't know what like why
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  this is right, So I can only do this on my Android phone,
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  and I can I can't, like you know, say, started on my
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  Android phone and then move over to my browser, because that's what I'd like
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  to do, you know, And so it doesn't make sense. So what
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  I'm trying to do is and I don't know why it's not working, but
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  I'm trying to get Twitter spaces open on my phone and then join the space
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  with Allison's account, which is why I have Allison's account on the screen.
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  I'm logged in on her account and then use Alison to listen in and talk
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  and I can't. I can't do it, Like it's just it's just not
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  working. So yeah, I don't I don't know what is going on with
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  that, And I am sorry to be such a disappointment, but I am
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  kind of like doing this by myself. So and in the past, you
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  know, like Brooke set it up for us and she would host and so
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  I would just join the call and I could just record and I could do
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  it on my browser or whatever. But in terms of hosting, I don't
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  know. And Hannah she did something I don't know, but I wasn't there,
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  so I don't know what the details are. So I'm kind of flying
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  by the seat of my pants and I don't really have like a lot of
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  help. So I don't know what's going on with Twitter spaces. I'm not
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  like able to get it working. But if I figure it out, then
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  we will, you know, go from there. I don't know. So
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  in the meantime then I am disappointing. Yeah, me too. In the
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  meantime though, I can give you guys some different stuff to think about.
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  But first of all, let me put Vivian on the screen and we will.
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  What I'll do is let me think here, I can try to reach
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  out to people and see if any of them can host the space. How
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  about that. Let me see if I can get Because I had a few
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  people interested in coming on airplay doc was gonna come on. So let me
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  let me send a message to some people. I invited VX on, I
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  invited Tachi on Blue you know, Brooke and some others. Disappointed. Yeah,
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  sorry about that. Sorry, So let me but you know what,
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  all right, I'm going to try to do spaces again. See if it
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  works. Happening now surf the normies. I don't know what that is.
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  Maybe somebody else is doing a game or gate text or space. I don't
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  see it though probably not. Pepe has a live stream or there's a spaces
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  for Pepe. That might be related, but I'm not really sure. I'm
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  not seeing anything. All right, forget it. Forget it. Well,
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  let's just okay. Let me just try to create a space one more time.
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  See if I can do it. I gotta do it on my phone.
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  Okay, there it is. There, it is now, it's working.
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  Paste and let me see. I'll do record space, start the space
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  and I will just go And I am now in the space, but not
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  my Twitter closed? Why did that happen? Okay, Twitter's Twitter's Twitter needs
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  help. Elon Musk, get on that. Fix the spaces. It doesn't
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  make sense, bro, fix your spaces. It doesn't make sense. It's
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  like worse than Google hangouts the Skype. How is that possible? The titles
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  have to be unique. Oh I don't know, do they I don't know?
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  Oh? Yeah, here it is. My space is up. Reconnect
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  to space, all right. I guess I'll invite a couple of people and
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  see if it works. So I'm gonna try to invite some folks and see
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  if that works. And my man it closed again. Yeah, this is
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  really unstable, guys, It's really unstable. Is not good? Like I
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  was just trying to invite people into space, and it wouldn't it wasn't working.
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  Let me see if it's still there. It is, it is,
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  Oh, so I got to reconnect? Why why do I have to do
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  that? All right, We're gonna try again. Turn a MIC on.
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  Okay, I'm connected, and let me see if I can get Allison's account
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  in there, so I will find myself the Badger Arcade. It's our space,
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  comrade, and it says here listen live. So I'm gonna join that,
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  and there might be some feedback for myself because I'm gonna be listening to
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  myself. So I'm gonna close my MIC and see if this if my if
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  I can hear myself, and there might be some feedback for myself because I'm
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  gonna be listening to myself. So I'm gonna close my micah, and there
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  might be some feedback for myself because I'm going to be listening to myself.
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  So I'm going to close my mic feedback for myself because I'm going to be
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  listening to myself, So I'm going to close my MIC for myself to myself.
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  So I'm going to close my mic. Yeah, so it's working all
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  right? Uh? You guys should be able to hear me. Right,
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  I'm gonna talk with Allison's account. Maybe I have to, Okay, I
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  may have to give Alison permission to talk, so let me see if I
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  can do that. It should be like a gear or something in here that
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  will let me just settings, maybe captions, sound of view captions, no,
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  click on Allison's account. Invite to speak, invite to co host.
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  There you go, send co host invite. Sweet, and now I think
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  Alison can talk. Let me just check all right. I hope that that
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  wasn't too brutal, and you guys can join his co host. There you
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  go, accept co host invite? All right? Let me just yeah allow
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  okay, press speak failed, try and get all right? All right,
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  Okay, I think that'll work. So Jim Bottle says, you sound pretty
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  good, Brian women, I permit you to talk. Okay. I think
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  I got it now, So I'm talking on Alison's account. Can you guys
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  hear me? Okay? Or is this like brutal? No? It seems
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  fine, okay, all right, So what I'm gonna do now is I
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  gotta send some invitations out or hopefully somebody will notice this and see and then
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  join the call. But what a space is kind of kind of lame.
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  I gotta say no, it needs a lot of work. But now it's
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  fine, okay, good, all right, Well why don't we do this?
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  Okay, So while I'm waiting to see if other people join, I'm
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  looking at the things. Let's look at some different things. So this week
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  we're gonna be talking about gamer Gate. Okay, and oh, Allison is
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  is messaging me? Hold on, well I boot you off if I go
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  on, maybe unless you use a different account. All right, so let
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  me just check your chat. Everything seems to be going well, and I'm
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  just waiting for Alison to get in here. Then it's like if if hmm,
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  yeah, this isn't gonna work unless Alison locks. She has another account,
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  so she might jump in with another a different account. Let me just
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  send her the link. Yeah, Twitter space is kind of gay, though.
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  They got to fix that shit, all right. Anyway, only a
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  slight echo at the end of the words oh yeah, because my phone the
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  reason I can't lower the volume anymore or why that is? Just move this
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  over here so you're not hearing it as much. Yeah, rip headphone uses?
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  Am I too loud? Or is everything. Okay? Are we good?
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  Okay? So anyway, so trying something new, and of course it's
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  a little bit of a mess. Okay, it's perfect, all right.
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  Cool. I just moved the phone further away so I lower my phone volume.
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  But it doesn't let you lower the phone volume all the way. It's
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  like a little bit and I don't know why, but you know, and
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  I can't mute it at all, so I gotta gotta leave that as it
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  is because I am the host. Hopefully though, this thing won't suddenly like
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  drop me, because that's like another thing that's happened in the past. So
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  all right, anyway, so we're talking about Gamergate two or just gamer Gate
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  because it never really ended, and uh, I'm waiting to see what's going
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  on with Alison in the meantime, Oh based Maga pint Royal joined us in
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  the thing. If you want to request, I think there's okay, so
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  I'm kind of new at this tool, but if you want to request to
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  speak, I think there's a button that you can press that will let you
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  do it, and then I can use my authortah to give you the right
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  to speak. So yeah, if you want to speak, just raise your
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  hand and I can I think I can like invite you to speak after that,
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  so I don't have to look at the phone, which means you might
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  hear a little bit of echo. Astro says, raise hand. Yeah,
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  that's how you do it. Anyway, Hopefully these people are screened. Well,
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  no, it's just kind of open. I mean, somebody might come
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  in swinging, but it's fine. It's basically like the people who follow my
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  account and Allison's account. Uh, Like I said, I invited b X
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  because b X, if you guys don't know, she does a lot of
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  work and research into, like, you know, things the government is doing,
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  like the way that they monitor people and like the invasion of privacy stuff
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  and that kind of thing. And in case you're new here, we had
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  BX on our show and she had this whole thing about, you know,
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  essentially how the FEDS are, you know, they're essentially encouraging or like monitoring
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  the in cell forums and then there are people within the in cell forums that
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  are also like driving in cells to commit suicide or transition or commit mass shootings
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  or whatever. And she was exposing that so kind of evolved and when Gamergaate
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  two broke and the whole thing with Sweet Baby came out and oh you're maga
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  pint, Oh do you want to talk? Saranks, Thank you for the
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  two dollars super chat, by the way, appreciate it. When when the
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  gamer Gate thing broke out, we learned because b X was the person who
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  brought to our attention this initiative that the Department of Homeland Security was putting together
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  in order to essentially like redirect or nudge people like seeking out red pill Manisphere
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  content towards what you know, essentially safer options. And these were like,
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  you know, college students taking my phone here, make sure I don't miss
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  any requests. Hey Bobcat joined the chat. Welcome, they're saying, yeah,
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  so she exposed this whole thing. They invested like seven hundred thousand dollars
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  into this initiative, and it's like a big it's a big old, like
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  you know, Homeland Security thing. And with gamer Gay two, there was
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  a similar Interestingly enough, there was a similar thing happening right and you had,
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  Hey, Allison, you request to speak, and I'll give you permission.
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  I think I actually I can invite you speak. So I will invite
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  you as a co host and now you should be able to talk as well.
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  And I'm talking with your account because I'm using mine to host the call,
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  so I'll see you should be getting the approval in just a moment.
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  See if she comes in Bryant is a government Yes, it's government money.
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  Yes. The monitor the stuff for the manisphere was something like seven hundred thousand
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  dollars and the stuff for the gamers, which I was just gonna say,
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  they did the same thing with gamers because they're they're afraid of extremism in the
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  gaming space, which is also still a male space. Let's be real.
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  That's the reason why this is of interest to me, right, And they
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  said I think it was like four hundred thousand, but there's probably more.
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  I mean, let's be real, it's probably way bigger than that. So
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  somebody requested who's requesting? Oh, Alisand I now I got another person,
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  all right, So let me give to at a speaker. Soolson should be
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  able to talk. Now, let me just wait and see if Allison.
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  This thing goes through. Yes, Hello, okay, yeah, there it
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  goes Yeah, can you hear me? I'm here? Yay, Yes.
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  This this app's kind of it's this like this features kind of Ship. So
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  anyway, yeah, this it seems to have a slight bit of wonkiness,
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  but that's what we love, right No, no, no, no,
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  okay, no. I like things to work. I like it when things
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  work. I'm a fan of that. But anyway, I was just sort
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  of like setting up the stage and telling people who I've invited. So you
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  know, Airplay is the guy who made the video documentary Tachyon Blue. I
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  brought them both on for fireside chats. Tekian Blue is the guy who's writing
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  the book on it. B X is the woman that we spoke to that
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  was talking about the Department of Homeland Security initiative to essentially like redirect people away
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  from Manisphere red pill content. But they're also she also exposed a similar initiative
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  to monitor gamers for extremism in like and they're working with like Roadblocks and Discord
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  and other social media spaces. I think they're working with developers too, like
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  EA and Activision which is crazy and Steam. So and again, this is
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  just monitoring men, like you know, at the end of the day,
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  it's there's just monitoring male spaces, even if there are women in them.
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  That goes for the Manisphere stuff. As well, and the in cell forums
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  and all of that, So it's all it's all related, right, kid
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  Astro says, why are you using Twitter spaces if discord stage exists already?
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  Well, because Twitter spaces lets anybody join in, and so I can like
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  give them a platform if they want to like give their thoughts, and a
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  lot of the gamer Gate discussion is happening on Twitter and YouTube, so there
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  is also that, like you know, like like the people that I listed
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  off, not all of them are in our discord. In fact, I
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  don't think any of them are, so I wouldn't be able to get them
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  on mord. Sith says, correct me if I'm wrong. But the only
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  kind of extremism I've seen in my years of online gaming has been mostly squeakers
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  and power tripping admins in other words, impotent king cole types. Yeah.
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  I mean, well, the people that I mean, the people who are
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  probably the most extreme are the ones that are actually like you know, calling
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  like essentially calling for people to be banned off of Steam and like, uh,
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  you know, get to tou tou, calling for like the United Nations
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  and like the Department of Whole Land Security to monitor people that sounds extreme to
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  me, Like when you think half the country hates your guts and wants to
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  kill everybody, that's that's kind of extreme in my opinion. Uh okay,
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  so somebody else's oh, go ahead, else what we're we gonna say?
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  Oh, I was just gonna say slightly. I guess this is a bit
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  of a wonky sound. So if you just interject a little bit, it
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  expects you to like really commit to it or something like oh okay, like
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  a minor comment like just oh yeah, I agree, or something you have
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  to yeah, yeah, yeah, right, like what I just did.
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  Yeah, ok, let's just totally derailing. So I'm going to keep my
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  minor comments to myself. I'll just all right, Well, I have a
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  couple of things we can go through, but I do I did see somebody
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  that wants to talk. I'm going to approve of a Bobcat of the family
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  Quevax being give our ap it's a weird name. I'm gonna approve of that
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  person to talk. So here we go. Let's see what you you you
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  have been approved to speak. It might take a moment because sometimes there's a
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  bit of lag. So what did you want to say? Waiting to see
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  if they start talking hello, Hello, Well maybe you should talk about one
• 20:48
  of the things that you wanted to talk about while we're waiting, because they
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  might be just preparing their thoughts. Bobcat here, can you hear me?
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  Okay, yeah, we can hear you. Finally, Okay, Well I
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  just get the little symbol saying I could talk. Is this going to be
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  about the history of Gamergate or are do you have a gamer Gate three point
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  zero that we're looking at now? Because I have much information about the history.
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  Well, we were there. I don't know if like, if you
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  I was gonna say, if you don't need like, does anyone watching or
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  that is in this call need a history lesson on gamer Gate? I'm I'm
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  open to hearing everybody's perspective, like, uh, you know, just uh,
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  I mean, how how long of a history? Are we talking?
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  Vodka like this? Okay? I was. I was listening to a local
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  NPR station when I heard about this woman who wrote this game called Depression Quest,
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  who is harassed for a just even posting the fact that she wrote this
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  this game. It was it was posted on huh Rock Paper Shotgun. I
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  believe it was a Nason Grayson who wrote the article, who said, I
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  haven't played the game, but let me lead my article with the top ten
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  games that are coming up this year. Zoe Quinn wrote the game with two
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  men. The reaction in that article was I cannot believe that she would make
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  a game like this by actually mentally ill depressed people. They weren't harassing her,
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  they were just leaving comments on that article. And so that's like the
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  first Oh my god, I'm a victim. People said mean things about me.
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  The two men who helped her write the game, they never said anything
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  about being victims. Okay. Zoe then later put the game on Steam,
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  and if you get a green light, it gets sold on Steam, selling
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  it for zero dollars, and of course she complained that she was getting her
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  asked about that. She then released it the day Robin Williams took his own
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  life because he had Louis body dementia, and her former boyfriend Aaron Johnny was
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  just shocked that she would take advantage of someone else's tragedy and he wrote the
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  Zoe Post. Zoe Post. He originally put on something awful where he thought
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  that Zoe would get a kind response, and it was about how she's abusive
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  and how she gaslights people and what if you don't mind me asking, what's
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  Something Awful for people who might not know? Something Awful is one of the
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  og forums for all kinds of stuff? Is it kind of like pro like
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  before four chan or before reddit? Kind of? I believe it was before,
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  yeah, before even before four Chan, and he certainly before read it.
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  I'm one of the og redditors. You can you can check out you
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  bobcat on Reddit or at bob kitten on twitter x as we call it now.
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  So Aaron, Aaron your euro in Yeah, yeah, I know,
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  I know. The gentleman wrote the wrote the Zoe post and he put it
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  on Something Awful where it was immediately taken down. Now, Zoe was a
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  longtime member of Something Awful and she was especially in the hell dump thread where
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  they would out furries, dox furries, and then they later started doxing people
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  who actually should be docs I think. But she admitted to a crippling held
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  them addiction for several years. So the day that Aaron posted his Zoe post,
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  his his friend who I won't mention because she's she wrote, she wrote
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  an article. You can find it. You can you can find an article.
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  She sort of regrets doing this. So Zoe gets a call you've been
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  held dumped and she knew exactly what that meant. Hmm. Okay, now
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  nobody cared. Nobody cared until Matt Jarbo made a video about the the Zoe
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  post, which Zoe then filed a fake DMCA request. Okay, committing perjury
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  and using her real name and her real address to do that. So Matt
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  Jarbo certainly new Mundane Matt is his YouTube name, and he has been on
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  spaces. Also, yeah, I know, we know MONDAYE. Matt actually
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  like we we yeah, we know all these people we were involved with.
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  Okay, well I mean there may be someone, yeah, but yeah no,
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  no for sure, it's okay, let's retread it. But yeah,
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  who doesn't know? Yeah, So okay, until this outrageous fake this perjury
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  happened, nobody cared. Then Total Biscuit, who is a game critic,
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  a British man who's a game critic who died of colon cancer. Yes uh
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  uh, wrote a very kind critique of well, don't do that, don't
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  make a fake DMCA request. He was viciously attacked by Zoe's friends. Okay,
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  yeah, viciously, viciously okay, and he had to like just say,
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  I'm just I'm not complaining about anything except this illegal act that someone has
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  committed. And he was a lawyer. He passed the bar when he was
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  like twenty two years old in the United Kingdom. Okay. So now,
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  poor Aaron then gets Zoe not her original name, who files a restraining order
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  against him, and the judge says, okay, you can't even talk about
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  her. He never said, hey, everybody go abuse her. Nothing.
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  He was the kindest, gentlest soul that I have ever known, certainly,
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  but the judge said, you can't even talk about her. The lawyer he
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  had represented him said, now I'm gonna do this for free. This is
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  this is ridiculous. So after like a year and a half or a couple
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  of years, he Aaron was desperate because they get they get down to the
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  end of this, this whole thing. He can never talk about anything ever
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  online again. And I told him that Eugene Volok from the Voloch Conspiracy,
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  who at the time had the section in the Washington Post, to talk to
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  him because he's looking for First Amendment cases. Uh huh. So Aaron's like
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  you're kidding me, Like, no, I'm serious, Like I know what
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  Eugene is up to. So Aaron contacted Eugene, and then Eugene Voloch and
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  his friends represented represented Aaron Crobono through all the things, and it got to
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  the point where Zoe was desperate to drop the case, to drop the restraining
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  order and have everything be moot so she would never have seen been seen as
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  loose. So but but Eugene is like, no, we're gonna, We're
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  gonna, We're gonna make the court decide this. And uh, it got
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  all the way to the Supreme Court in Massachusetts and they finally said, well,
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  there's nothing we can do, and so Zoe then goes on Twitter It's
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  like I won. All she won was dropping the case that she had falsely
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  accused someone of doing something wrong with Yeah. Uh, and then everything else
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  falls out of that because I think ultimately the whole situation with Zoe was just
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  you know, maybe the flash point, But I don't think it's the real
• 29:38
  reason why. Yeah, I'm was gonna ask, do you think that's the
• 29:42
  reason, because I think that it was moved beyond Zoe Quinn pretty quick,
• 29:48
  oh most of us, But I don't know if if this, if this,
• 29:51
  uh, if you believe that Bobcat. The person who was hurt the
• 29:56
  most by being a Oxton abused was Phil Fish Mm hmm. Who did that?
• 30:07
  I have no idea, but they his entire companies. Everything was was
• 30:11
  released online. He's the Fez guy. The Fez guy, the guy who
• 30:18
  had a documentary made about how cool it was that he was making this game
• 30:21
  while he was ripping off the guy who actually made the game. Oh,
• 30:26
  now that's interesting. I didn't know that. Okay, I got a couple
• 30:30
  more things I've got to go. But so the the Vivian James is a
• 30:37
  lovely character. Her her violet and green. It's not purple and green.
• 30:41
  It's the violet and green striding to the u VG video game. Uh,
• 30:48
  you're you're familiar with Ellie Prizeman, who made the the shirt that Matt Taylor,
• 30:52
  the guy who landed a thing on an asteroid or a comet. Yeah,
• 30:57
  yeah, the shortcake guy. Yeah. He was canceled by the Verge,
• 31:02
  I believe, which also wrote a very recent article about Gamergay, the
• 31:07
  same outlet that made him essentially, you know, give a tearful apology.
• 31:14
  Remember a shirt Kate Allison. We reported on it years when it first happened,
• 31:17
  we reported on it go ahead. Ellie Prizeman had handmade that that bowling
• 31:25
  shirt with pinaples on it. It was like, it's a very tame shirt.
• 31:30
  And Matt is covered with tattoos that Ellie Prizeman's husband made and Ellie,
• 31:36
  Ellie had not been sewing for a very long time, but she's very talented
• 31:40
  at it. And so I suggested that Ellie make Vivian James hoodies. Yeah,
• 31:48
  I did that on Twitter. I suggested on Twitter, and then I
• 31:51
  went on on Reddit, on Kotoku in Action sub reddit, and I got
• 31:56
  a lot of people to say I would buy one in a heartbeat. So
• 32:00
  she she then later made hundreds of Vivian James hoodies and sold them for a
• 32:05
  quite reasonable price. And there's a very there. They were excellent quality.
• 32:10
  Wow, that's I you know, I did not know about that. Do
• 32:14
  you know if those can you still act? Can you still get Vivian James
• 32:16
  hoodies? No? She Uh she did two runs of them. Uh.
• 32:22
  I think she's done with that. She's now she's doing some other things on
• 32:25
  YouTube. But so, there was a person who had a very large amount
• 32:30
  of money, whose girlfriend at the time bought one of the Vivian James hoodies
• 32:37
  and modeled it and it was on uh the Ellie Prizeman website a picture of
• 32:44
  her and her cosplay name is Nicky Moxie mm hmm and her husband ahead her
• 32:52
  husband now is Palmer Lucky. Yeah, you know who Palmer Lucky is.
• 33:01
  No, no, I'm sorry, I don't I don't get the reference.
• 33:06
  Palmer Lucky is the creative of the Oculus rift. He's oh to Mark Zuckerberg
• 33:12
  for seven hundred million dollars. So Palmer Lucky is related to Nicky Moxy,
• 33:21
  who modeled the married who modeled the Vivian Vivian James sweater hoodie hoodie made by
• 33:29
  the woman who made the asteroid shirtcase shirt. Yes, wow in this small
• 33:37
  world. Well, those are interesting link links I didn't know about. Can
• 33:45
  you do you mind following me on Twitter? And my dms are open at
• 33:49
  Honey Badger Arcade. No, no, no, I'm using Allison's account,
• 33:52
  but my account is Honey Badger Arcade. Is the person hosting the stream Badger
• 33:58
  Arcade is hosting Yeah, Badger Arcade, that's the one, and just send
• 34:00
  a DM with those names, so I can like look look into those people
• 34:05
  more, because that's if you I mean, I am recording this. I
• 34:08
  can just play it back later too, you know, not a big deal.
• 34:12
  You gotta go, you gotta go. Yeah, follow at bob Kitten
• 34:15
  or yeah at bob Kitten on Twitter is the best way. All right,
• 34:20
  thank you? Okay, thanks for thanks for the history lesson too, rip
• 34:25
  alec Helka, Yes, yes, rest in peace, alec Heloka. Now
• 34:31
  that's now that's a real victim. All right, see you, all right,
• 34:36
  thank you? All right, does anyone else have a request to speak?
• 34:40
  Okay? Can I please the Watson? What is the reference? Alec
• 34:45
  Oh? Well, okay, that's a really interesting rabbit hole. If anyone
• 34:51
  else is in here that wants to talk about airplay is here? Hey Airplay?
• 34:53
  Do you want to talk? Uh? He made the documentary, the
• 34:58
  video documentary about gamer Gates, two two part series. Very well done,
• 35:02
  very very well done. He wants to bring it to theaters, by the
• 35:06
  way. So yeah, so like if you you know, like I don't
• 35:14
  know if you know how it was done, but I've been meaning to get
• 35:15
  back to him about this. You know that like when Cassie J was doing,
• 35:22
  like hosting screenings. Did Cassie J did the red Pill? Yeah,
• 35:28
  men's issues community, which is actually really distinct from what the red Pill became,
• 35:34
  I suppose, But I guess that's what happens when you just completely ignore
• 35:37
  men's issues, you know, you get a bunch of men who have to
• 35:39
  deal with a society that's incredibly callous towards them. Yeah, and they end
• 35:45
  up adapting in their own ways, and sometimes that causes little splinter groups.
• 35:50
  Sure, but yeah, the red pill concept is now gone in a very
• 35:54
  different direction than Men's Issues, or at least like it's been taken in a
• 36:00
  different direction. I don't know. Yeah, but yeah, so CASSIEJ did
• 36:04
  that? What were you what were you saying? Oh? So, Well,
• 36:07
  Cassie J had this setup and I think Jordan Peterson did this too when
• 36:10
  he was doing a tour where she had the film out there and she wanted
• 36:15
  to bring it to theaters, but she wasn't able to like put them in
• 36:20
  theaters herself, so instead she set up a kind of service where someone could,
• 36:25
  like, you know, if they got enough ticket sales, they could
• 36:29
  have a theater do a screening and so I did that for her. So
• 36:32
  I did a screening and it was like a long time ago. I don't
• 36:35
  remember how it all worked out or whatever, but I had a screening hosted
• 36:42
  in Chicago. It was actually in a downtown theater, kind of a nice
• 36:45
  one, and it was only only it had to be like on a certain
• 36:50
  time where there wasn't like you know, like not a weekend day or something
• 36:52
  like that. But you can set that up and you do it all online
• 36:55
  and then people can buy tickets online and then you just like, you know,
• 36:59
  you have to be the host of the screening. And I wanted to
• 37:01
  help because he wants to bring his movie to theaters, so I wanted to
• 37:05
  help him with that because I do think it's important, you know, an
• 37:12
  important film that sort of documents everything that happened, mainly because if you don't
• 37:17
  know, like today, if you go to Wikipedia and you look up gamergate,
• 37:21
  it literally describes it as a harassment campaign on Wikipedia, unless you go
• 37:25
  to Chinese Wikipedia, which case it's actually more accurate, you know. But
• 37:31
  anyway, Yeah, so that's what that's what air airplay is. And if
• 37:37
  you want to talk airplay, you can just like request to speak. I
• 37:39
  think in Twitter spaces and I'll give you permission, but I don't know if
• 37:44
  you know anything about how to do that. Like we did a screening and
• 37:47
  then we screen it in Saskatchewan or something we screened parental alienation. Yes,
• 37:55
  yes, yes, we didn't end up screening. I think I think it
• 38:00
  was actually Justin Troutier who screened something in Alberta that we attend. Are we
• 38:07
  attended a Q and A afterwards. Yeah, that's what I was thinking about.
• 38:10
  Yeah, that that might be h might be something to look into in
• 38:15
  terms of getting the gamer Gate maybe exactly out there. Yeah, maybe maybe
• 38:20
  I can reach out to Justin and ask him, like you know, for
• 38:22
  help with that because I don't know how to do it. I don't remember.
• 38:25
  But he used to be that you could do it through a website or
• 38:29
  something like that. So indeed, but uh well, oh, Alacloka,
• 38:35
  So I was gonna tell Okay, Alakka, I'm wondering about that. All
• 38:37
  right, this is interesting, Okay, so I gotta get it. It's
• 38:39
  related to the Sweet Baby inc Thing, if you could believe it. So,
• 38:46
  alec Heloka, let me just do a search here for this stuff first
• 38:52
  and get his name up because I don't want to get this wrong. How
• 39:00
  Loca Halalka, Halaoka al Khalka. There he is okay so Ala Kaloka was
• 39:12
  a Canadian indie game developer and co founder of independent game companies Infinite Ammo,
• 39:17
  Infinite Fall, and bit Blocked. Okay, and he was. He was
• 39:24
  mainly known for an award winning title Night in the Woods. It was a
• 39:30
  video game I never played it, and another one called Aquaria Aquaria and so
• 39:36
  he was. So he owned this company called Infinite Ammo. Infinite Ammo is
• 39:40
  a I think there they are a company that funds independent video game projects or
• 39:45
  other creative independent projects in Canada. Okay, I think they're based out He
• 39:50
  was based out of Winnipeg anyway. Ala Kaloka was actually a part of this
• 39:57
  whole Zoe Quinn thing because she he was another person that I believe she accused,
• 40:04
  Yes she did. She accused him of grape okay, and even though
• 40:10
  there was no evidence, she didn't go to police. Nothing was found out
• 40:15
  like and no no proof was had. He lost his job, he was
• 40:20
  canceled, he lost his company and everything, and it eventually led to him
• 40:25
  taking his own life on October. I think it was October twenty ninth or
• 40:30
  October thirtieth of twenty nineteen that he took his own life, and I actually
• 40:37
  made a video about it on Honeybager Arcade the anniversary of his self deletion.
• 40:45
  I don't know what we have to use this language, but anyway, so
• 40:49
  he took his own life because he couldn't handle the pressure and the stress of
• 40:52
  this allegation from Wigan Tell and his sister put out a statement when they learned
• 40:58
  about it. She was the person who broke the story. And his sister's
• 41:01
  name is Eileen Heloka, okay if I remember correctly, and in her note
• 41:09
  she basically talked about how you know she's gonna miss him and all of that,
• 41:15
  but she also made it a point to say that despite everything and all
• 41:20
  of his problems, I believe victims. Okay. So she sided with Zoe
• 41:23
  Quinn on this allegation even though there was no evidence, and then she took
• 41:30
  over his company and now she runs Infinite Ammo, which funds Sweet Baby,
• 41:37
  Inc. And several other sort of like affiliate companies like Weird Ghosts and There's
• 41:43
  a Baby Ghost. I think so this is she is directly there is a
• 41:49
  direct connection from Zoe Quinn to alec Heloka, to his suicide, to his
• 41:57
  sister owning his company and use his company to fund Sweet Baby, Inc.
• 42:01
  Now only the people who really do the work and know about like the old
• 42:07
  roots of gamergate, would be able to put this together. Most people talking
• 42:10
  about it today they either didn't think it was very important, you know,
• 42:15
  or or they didn't like look into it that much. Now all of it's
• 42:19
  coming out now, these weird connections. But yeah, that's the story of
• 42:23
  Ala Kaloka. So he is a guy who took his own life because of
• 42:27
  a false allegation, or at least an allegation that was never proven. I'll
• 42:31
  put it that way. So al said, are you there? Are you
• 42:37
  talking? You're muted for some reason. I'll request it. Who is who
• 42:45
  is asking to speak? Uh? Oh shit, Hold on a second.
• 42:52
  My my thing might have ended. See yeah, it says it my recording.
• 43:04
  I got a recording thirty three minutes ago. What it ended? I
• 43:13
  gotta start it over against guys. I'm sorry, give me a second.
• 43:15
  I gotta create a new space. Something bonkers is going on. Yeah,
• 43:22
  faces is kind of shit. Let's do this. I'll just make another one
• 43:30
  art three say done, start the space and I will invite people again.
• 43:39
  Chit chat cat airplay. I'm sorry, guys, Packer girl. She did
• 43:45
  some good work techy on Blue zaraanks, Hana facts and Allison and I think
• 44:00
  that's it. So okay, So it says three people have been eight people
• 44:05
  have been invited to the space. I am live again. Metal issues.
• 44:10
  Yeah, I know, technical difficulties with the Badgers. You know, I'm
• 44:15
  not I'm not responsible. This is this is a space's problem. If I
• 44:21
  need to, I could just talk to Alison and I'm not able to speak
• 44:23
  anymore. And it keeps repeating, Yeah, this is glitched. It it
• 44:35
  crashed. I guess I could just say that I set up a new one,
• 44:45
  all right, Yeah, I don't I don't get it. Do you
• 44:49
  know what it might be? Would it makes sense that this could crash because
• 44:52
  my phone was sitting idle for too long? Is that possible? I don't
• 44:59
  know. Hats for Jojo, But if you guys follow everything I said about
• 45:04
  Alec Haloka, because I think that's a really crucial part of this whole story,
• 45:08
  because the gamer Gate operates or the people opposing gamer Gate, because I
• 45:14
  think that to be. Let me let me give Alison the link again.
• 45:20
  Hold on, and I got to join anyways, Gamergate Lives. Wait where
• 45:27
  is it? Hold on a second, what's going on here? Let me
• 45:31
  refresh the page. Something is going wonky with Twitter spaces. But just going
• 45:40
  to listen live, start listening. Hold on a second, what's going on
• 45:45
  here? Let me refresh the page. Sum is going I'm rejoining, but
• 45:52
  it's gonna be. But just going to listen live, start listening? All
• 45:59
  right, all right, uh, just the moment, just waiting on to
• 46:23
  join Alice or to get Alison's account to join the call. So just waiting
• 46:37
  on to join Alice. All right? That yeah, I'm back now,
• 46:47
  okay, so I'll see if let's see if anybody else joins. But I
• 46:52
  did it again, so anyway, primary question I have is why are you
• 46:58
  running it off a phone rather than through a brow This is a problem with
• 47:00
  Twitter or x or whatever, so like spaces and if somebody knows the answer
• 47:07
  to this conundrum, please help me out because I could not find out how
• 47:10
  to do it. Okay, now Alison is here, let me invite her
• 47:13
  to co host really quick. You can, I can you can see that
• 47:19
  Allison is back though, I'm co hosts. Invite There we go, and
• 47:23
  I will invite her to speak as well. There she goes, okay,
• 47:29
  and q cell is here. Hello, n q cel welcome. Okay.
• 47:34
  So yeah, so anyway that the issue is that Twitter, I'll see you
• 47:39
  there, yes, okay, good, yeah, okay, right, yeah,
• 47:44
  yeah, no, I can hear you. Yeah, yeah, this
• 47:45
  is a space's thing. Why don't we what why don't we start it through
• 47:51
  the other account, like the Honey Badger radio account and then maybe you'll see
• 47:54
  more people. I don't know. Maybe that's too much complexity. Oh but
• 47:59
  the thing is, I was just about to explain, no, no,
• 48:01
  no, no, this is the problem though you would have to host it
• 48:06
  because because I don't. Okay, So the thing is, this is the
• 48:08
  thing about space is what pisses me off about it. Okay. You can
• 48:15
  only start a space from the mobile app. You can't do it in a
• 48:19
  browser, so I have to That's why it's so spotty too, isn't it.
• 48:24
  Yes, So you can start a spaces in the mobile app. I
• 48:30
  don't know why, but you cannot do it in a browser. Now,
• 48:35
  unless there's a way to open the mobile app in a browser, which I
• 48:38
  guess there probably is a workaround like that. That's kind of like the situation
• 48:44
  I'm in. So I have to like start it in my phone, which
• 48:46
  is stupid, and then then I have to join because the audio from my
• 48:52
  phone is going to go out to the show, right, so I'd have
• 48:54
  to join on another account so that I can hear the audio from within the
• 48:59
  call and then use that as the account I'm speaking through, which is why
• 49:02
  I'm speaking to you through Honey Badger Bite Twitter account. Yeah, and then
• 49:12
  it just it just crashed completely before for some reason. Yeah, I don't
• 49:19
  know why that is. I mean, I don't know, Like I apologize,
• 49:22
  guys, what I the only okay, I got a request to talk,
• 49:24
  But the only logic that I could conclude, like why it crashed is
• 49:30
  maybe because my phone was sitting idle long enough and like you know, it
• 49:35
  went to a black screen. Maybe that's why. But I don't know if
• 49:38
  that's true. Well, seems like that seems very unwieldy. Unwieldy, Yes,
• 49:45
  that would be a good Yeah, So in Q cell wants to talk,
• 49:51
  so I'm gonna let them talk, but see if they want to say
• 49:53
  anythings. Uh, in q CL you have been approved to speak. Are
• 50:01
  you there? Well, it seems like it always has a little bit of
• 50:05
  a lag while the person there is there is also a lot of lag.
• 50:07
  It's kind of ship right, Hello, can you hear me? Yeah?
• 50:09
  We can, Yes, yes, we can. Great. Yeah. In
• 50:14
  terms of just just starting it out, because I have some both that are
• 50:17
  not necessarily a coin yield. If you're looking to to like host it on
• 50:22
  the desktop, you can use something like blue Stacks, which is a phone
• 50:24
  emulator, so you can like have a virtual phone running in on your desktop.
• 50:30
  It might help stuff with the with this phone going to sleep or losing
• 50:35
  data connection and stuff like that, because it's the network connection is going to
• 50:37
  be using your busy network connection, so eventually you might look into that.
• 50:43
  It's fairly easy. I've been using it because for the longest time the spaces
• 50:45
  was only available on mobile, even as a listener. I'm not even sure
• 50:50
  when they added it on the desktop, but ever since then it has been
• 50:54
  But it's been dropping like you suddenly like you're talking and nobody's healing, nobody
• 51:00
  here's you. Right, It's it's very very yanky, and I think it's
• 51:04
  because it's primarily a mobile mobile only feature from the own set, and they
• 51:10
  sort of didn't. It's apparently rather difficult to Jerry riggid or or they apparently
• 51:16
  they don't really want to rewrite it, so they just making compatibility layers one
• 51:22
  after another or one on top of another, and it eventually gets Yeah,
• 51:27
  well the result is what it is. So well, I appreciate the suggestion.
• 51:31
  I'll look into it, just uh, whenever you get a chance to
• 51:36
  send me the name again, and I'll just search for it after that.
• 51:37
  Sure, the complete show will be on Rumble and YouTube, though I mean
• 51:44
  complete with also the technical difficulties, which yeah, pretty much what it is.
• 51:50
  It is, Yeah, it is what it is. But anyway,
• 51:53
  so did you have anything else you wanted to say besides yes, yes,
• 51:57
  I have thoughts. I have, you know, long long time a caller,
• 52:00
  first time listener or however it is. Uh, yeah, I've been,
• 52:06
  you know, watching you on your shoulders, like since twenty sixteen,
• 52:08
  so I'm sort of kind of sort of been around the block using various accounts.
• 52:15
  You're a G, is what you're saying. You're a G. Sure,
• 52:19
  let's let's let's let's call it that. I one thing that is,
• 52:27
  well, I suppose the question that I have asked myself is like, what
• 52:30
  I what I expect to see from this, because it seems to me that
• 52:36
  even with the with the with the sort of first game gamer Gate and whatever
• 52:39
  is happening now, it's always been a kind of reactive uh sort of audial
• 52:46
  reactive kind of endeavor because it mostly was it was the first game agame was
• 52:52
  kept going simply because the locals and and the collectively insane people that are the
• 52:59
  instigation it kept coming back to the well, right, that was like every
• 53:05
  month or every week they came up with, you know, you know,
• 53:07
  some insane stuff, send sending the MCA, you know, complaining about harassment,
• 53:14
  creating more articles, and just sort of kept feeding the flames right for
• 53:19
  a really long time to the point but they just became louts, right,
• 53:22
  You just you just sort of had to laugh at them because they were sort
• 53:27
  of doing the same thing all over and over again. And it seems to
• 53:30
  me that that all can stop whenever they want to write that there's not necessarily
• 53:36
  any kind of any kind of logic as to why they should be going on
• 53:40
  with it, Like you may say, for for the first time, around
• 53:45
  for people like Stukesian and so Equin it was a grift, like it was
• 53:49
  an entire The primary motivation was to get eyes on whatever they were trying to
• 53:52
  sell, beat games or speaking engagements, and from that point of view,
• 53:58
  they did well for themselves. Obviously you can can can't deny them that.
• 54:02
  But it seems to me that this time around that the news cycle has accelerated
• 54:08
  to the point where uh and and and it's not sort of it's not necessarily
• 54:16
  even centered on it. Well, it's centered on the sweet baby and stuff.
• 54:20
  But I don't think that this is going to do this they go,
• 54:25
  they're going to make the same mistake this time around, right, So what
• 54:30
  are your thoughts on that? I agree to all this stuff, but I
• 54:34
  will I will say that the reason why it's going to be the same is
• 54:37
  because they cannot help themselves and they the last. Okay, so this might
• 54:42
  get a little bit too like big picture, but I think that these people
• 54:46
  have a problem with pride and narcissism. They cannot let go of the idea
• 54:53
  they might be wrong, and they will double down until like they lose everything
• 54:59
  because of how much of themselves is at stake. So they're I mean,
• 55:05
  like when you said you know that there's always like new outrage or articles or
• 55:10
  whatever. At first I thought you were saying maybe that like it's kind of
• 55:15
  like a useless, you know, cycle of people feeding into each other's drama.
• 55:19
  But but I think it is legitimately one sided. Like cab Rambo,
• 55:25
  who's created the Steam group, who I've had on the show, He's just
• 55:29
  a normal guy that lives in Brazil, and you know, he doesn't like
• 55:34
  the direction that the games that he enjoyed were headed, and so he did
• 55:37
  something that he probably thought was completely benign, like oh, just make a
• 55:43
  list and I'll avoid these developers and whatever. Right, And it just like
• 55:47
  the reaction from Sweet Baby and all of their friends in the press and in
• 55:53
  the media and everything was actually, like what started this whole mess. It
• 55:59
  wasn't cabrutists, it wasn't the people in its community, It wasn't the gaming
• 56:02
  public that just wants to be left alone. It was these people who just
• 56:07
  cannot leave people alone. And so that is going to happen. But the
• 56:13
  thing is too, is that this is a bigger thing than just video games.
• 56:16
  This is like everywhere, this is our whole world, now, the
• 56:21
  whole Western world, is basically this enormous feminize like you know, motherly instinct
• 56:29
  coming out of these people. And and they want to like bring everyone else
• 56:34
  down to their level, and they don't. They actually don't like necessary.
• 56:38
  I mean, they benefit from the grift, but they don't really care about
• 56:43
  the grift that much. It's just about satisfying themselves and this need for control.
• 56:47
  And there are plenty of other people, like in positions of government and
• 56:51
  politics and the media that will see an advantage for themselves because they're the same
• 56:55
  kind of person and they'll jump on that too. And so the one thing
• 57:00
  that we the thing about this is for me anyway, it's very easy for
• 57:04
  us to win, and we will. And we didn't lose last time either,
• 57:08
  because some people will say that we did, but but I would say
• 57:12
  we did. We made people aware of this and it led to a number
• 57:16
  of other changes in our culture that probably would have gone completely unnoticed had not
• 57:22
  been for gamer game. And I think that like people have this is the
• 57:25
  reason why I upsets them the most, because they are they they are losing
• 57:30
  the narrative, you know, like it's like it's unraveling and they're losing their
• 57:36
  minds. Okay, so just just one point of like a technical issue.
• 57:40
  I'm hearing a faint echo from you, Brian. I don't know if anybody
• 57:45
  else is. I know I can't. I can't help it because I have
• 57:50
  to use my phone to connect and I can't mute my audio completely. It
• 57:55
  won't let me mute it. So yeah, I know, I know.
• 58:00
  I'm sorry, but that's just the reality. Okay, So this is just
• 58:04
  a reality of of of spaces. Somebody has had this problem and knows how
• 58:09
  to fix it, which well he suggested me getting like the app on my
• 58:14
  computer, but I can't do that now because they're in the middle of this.
• 58:16
  So yeah, no, we got to just plow through. Yeah,
• 58:21
  keep going, just badger on. Yeah. Well what I what I was
• 58:24
  gonna say is what we need, I think, and it's sort of why
• 58:28
  I went back to writing, which incidentally, you know, guys, I
• 58:31
  was originally a storyteller, not whatever this is. So, but I realized
• 58:39
  that we need we need stories if we're really going to be going to combat
• 58:45
  this. What they're taking over is our stories and our and through stories,
• 58:51
  our understanding of ourselves and what we're capable of. They want to make us
• 58:54
  small and insignificant and obedient in also constrained by whatever biological factor that they have.
• 59:05
  You know, they've they've decided like your purple Therefore you go on this
• 59:08
  part of the intersectionality pyramid hierarchy. You're the purple cast, you know,
• 59:15
  and you're on the bottom that kind of thing. So they're using these stories
• 59:21
  to make us feel small and incapable and helpless and frozen in place usually beneath
• 59:27
  us, beneath them morally. And what we need is stories that break that
• 59:30
  apart and open us up back up to who we are. And that's why,
• 59:35
  you know, I'm trying to write the story that I'm writing, and
• 59:38
  I invite everybody else to, you know, put their own voice in and
• 59:43
  develop their own talents in terms of storytelling if you have them, and also
• 59:46
  invest in the storytellers who aren't interested in making people's feel small anyway. It's
• 59:54
  a little spiel there, so well, yeah, I think I think that's
• 1:00:00
  what people are doing. That's what I'm saying, like they like, this
• 1:00:02
  is the thing. It's so easy for us to win. I think people
• 1:00:06
  have been doing it. You vote with your wallet because this is the thing
• 1:00:08
  that they try to do. They get into something that you love and they
• 1:00:12
  corrupt it. And what you have to do is you have to break up
• 1:00:15
  with it like you would you know, like a like a toxic relationship.
• 1:00:20
  And you go and you say, Okay, this is not the thing that
• 1:00:22
  I that I started dating when I first met you. You're not the same
• 1:00:25
  creature. So I'm going to go do something else now. And so you
• 1:00:29
  support the stuff that does acknowledge your humanity and it does represent beauty and truth
• 1:00:36
  because and those two are basically the same. And you support the stuff that
• 1:00:39
  works, and you may remain vigilant against the stuff that you know is being
• 1:00:45
  made by people who hate you and they want to destroy your you know,
• 1:00:50
  they want to destroy like beauty itself. And that's kind of what is happening.
• 1:00:53
  And that's what well anyway, that's what I I mean. I'm basically
• 1:00:57
  saying the same thing you're saying, but in a different way. I'm not
• 1:01:00
  able to program video games, but there are people who are out there that
• 1:01:05
  I do want to do good work, right, and so they should be
• 1:01:07
  supported. Well, yeah, and it is I think that this is what
• 1:01:12
  they're really after. I mean, if you look at it, they're after
• 1:01:14
  all of the all of the organizations that tell us what it is to be
• 1:01:20
  human, tell us what truth is, and open ourselves up to our own
• 1:01:24
  capabilities, and they want to shut every one of them down. And the
• 1:01:29
  way that you fight back against that is, again, like Brian was saying,
• 1:01:32
  you just don't don't invest in what they want you to invest in,
• 1:01:38
  and start building your own build up what you want to see. I once
• 1:01:43
  got banned from a convention for saying that, build what you want to see
• 1:01:47
  in the world. And the more people who realize that they don't have to
• 1:01:52
  be passive consumers of what they're told and start to become active co creators of
• 1:01:59
  this world and the world of stories, the better. The more people who
• 1:02:04
  who who put their voice into into telling the story of being human than the
• 1:02:10
  better, the better off we all are. And uh, yeah, so
• 1:02:14
  that's uh, that's my my three cents, three cents, not not five.
• 1:02:20
  I want to give in q SELL another chance to talk and because that's
• 1:02:25
  kind of why we did this, So in q SL, what do you
• 1:02:28
  have anything to add to that? Yeah, a bunch of other things.
• 1:02:30
  Uh, you know, each one of these always expands into a long period
• 1:02:37
  of time. But if you have someone else, so that's that's you.
• 1:02:38
  You can put me any time. I okay, well I can give it
• 1:02:42
  to chit Chat Cat because she also or he or she, I'm not really
• 1:02:45
  sure if it's a girl requested to speak, so chit chat Cat, Hi,
• 1:02:52
  Hi, yes, Hi? What do you What are your thoughts,
• 1:02:57
  what do you have, what's on your mind? So just on the curbuters
• 1:03:00
  point. One of the things that I've noticed with him is that obviously he's
• 1:03:05
  trying to treat this as it's not something political when it actually is, because
• 1:03:09
  a lot of people are outside are like, no, it's not politics,
• 1:03:13
  it's just crazy people we're dealing with when it's the furthest thing away from that,
• 1:03:17
  because like we saw with GDC, they literally have marks as an inspiration
• 1:03:22
  for the approach designing games, and so what's inherently political. So at this
• 1:03:28
  point it's like when we have people saying, oh, no, it's not
• 1:03:30
  politics, we kind of underminded ourselves because when gaming gaate started the first time
• 1:03:35
  around, most people were unaware of the fact that it was political, that
• 1:03:38
  it wasn't just a case of gaming journalists turning against US. It was the
• 1:03:43
  fact that there were people in the industry that wanted to push basically communism because
• 1:03:50
  it was something happening in the US for like over a seven decade period of
• 1:03:54
  slowly encroaching on every single institution in sphere of society, going we need to
• 1:04:00
  promote our ideology, but we need to go about this in a very insidious
• 1:04:03
  manner. And when it came to video games, they didn't take that approach.
• 1:04:09
  They were very praisen because video games went from being something that was,
• 1:04:14
  oh, it's for children, it's not that important to overshadow in Hollywood,
• 1:04:17
  and when they saw that happen, like we need to get in as fast
• 1:04:20
  as possible. And that's the reason why gaming game happened was because they were
• 1:04:26
  so quick and just full for castro about it, where it's like we need
• 1:04:30
  to just go all out in order to capture gaming. And that's the reason
• 1:04:33
  why games were like, yeah, no, we actually see there's something happening,
• 1:04:39
  but we didn't know at the time that it was political, and now
• 1:04:41
  we do know it's political. For some weird reason, we have people on
• 1:04:45
  our side saying no, it's not politics, but then there's flags everywhere there's
• 1:04:51
  paraphernalia everywhere that's saying to us it's political, and it just gets frustrating at
• 1:04:57
  a point where we know what the problem is, we know what the approach
• 1:05:00
  is that's needed to beat it, but we don't have that internal support that
• 1:05:04
  the lift es with a close rank and they're like, oh, right,
• 1:05:06
  we go into all duobar to get where we need to be. M Yeah,
• 1:05:13
  can I respond to that? You are one hundred and ten percent right.
• 1:05:16
  And I've been saying this since twenty fourteen, since gamer Gate one.
• 1:05:20
  This has always been political. But I have sympathy for the people who don't,
• 1:05:26
  who genuinely don't believe it is because we are all operating under a paradigm
• 1:05:32
  whether and I think most people are unaware of that that it is like it
• 1:05:39
  kind of you know, it's a product of our education and our media and
• 1:05:43
  everything else. And the reason why you're right, these communists are stepping up
• 1:05:47
  and they've moved on video games so fast and so hard is because they did
• 1:05:51
  not They did not have the reverence or respect for it when it was still
• 1:05:57
  small that they but they did. They We're doing this stuff in Hollywood and
• 1:06:00
  in television and in music, and in everything else. Right, So all
• 1:06:05
  of that stuff had been going on for decades and decades and decades, and
• 1:06:10
  there's plenty of people who have done a lot of really good work on this.
• 1:06:13
  I am actually working on a project that talks about how this all comes
• 1:06:17
  down from the art movements going all the way back to the French Revolution and
• 1:06:23
  how like it kind of like came this way. It's not necessarily like a
• 1:06:27
  direct line, but you can see like a waves and trends of this stuff
• 1:06:31
  like becoming more and more, you know, like moving more and more to
• 1:06:35
  where it is today. And there are people like you know, Mary Wilson
• 1:06:40
  Craft are a part of this, and her daughter Mary Shelley, and Lord
• 1:06:44
  Byron, and it goes and all of the art movements, the data ists,
• 1:06:47
  the cubist, the futurists, the absurdists, et cetera, all the
• 1:06:51
  way to where we are today. And the only thing about video games that
• 1:06:56
  made it unique was that everything else, from music to film to television,
• 1:07:02
  all of those and the visual arts and paintings and graphic novels and literature,
• 1:07:09
  those were all considered art, but video games was not. It was it
• 1:07:12
  was because these people are also elite as snobs. So they thought, well,
• 1:07:15
  that's beneath our notice because it's for children, like you said. But
• 1:07:18
  when video games became up, it was so fast, the technology advanced so
• 1:07:25
  quickly that they weren't prepared to like do that same kind of slow you know,
• 1:07:30
  Graham Sheian style infiltration that worked so well in all of these other sort
• 1:07:35
  of like you know, all these other artistic endeavors are artistic mediums and and
• 1:07:42
  there, and and the normalies like the people that are that are even on
• 1:07:45
  the side of Cabrutus Rambo and there, and even the people from gamer Gate
• 1:07:48
  before, you know, when they hear about it, they're like, they
• 1:07:51
  roll their eyes, they they say, they whine, They're like, oh
• 1:07:55
  my god, I want to do this. Look, I just want I
• 1:07:58
  don't want politics in my games, you know, otn't. I want to
• 1:08:00
  avoid this at all costs. But the fact is you can't. Like you
• 1:08:05
  may not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you. And
• 1:08:09
  all you have to do is you figure out what are my principles, what
• 1:08:12
  do I stand by? And you stand by it, and that's it.
• 1:08:15
  You don't have to call yourself right wing. You don't have to call your
• 1:08:16
  self conservative. You don't have to call yourself libertarian. You don't have to
• 1:08:19
  call yourself an anarcho capitalist, you don't have to call yourself any of that
• 1:08:23
  shit. You just say these are my I believe in reality. I believe
• 1:08:27
  in truth and beauty because that's what art is. It is the beauty in
• 1:08:30
  truth, and that's what I want to see. So the reason why their
• 1:08:35
  stories don't work and their art doesn't work is it's not a reflection of reality.
• 1:08:40
  It's a reflection of themselves because they're all narcissists. You every notice that
• 1:08:44
  everything that they put out there that they're like, we need more diversity,
• 1:08:46
  and then when you see their diverse character, it's just a self insert because
• 1:08:49
  that, to them is what is acceptable. They have no imagination, they
• 1:08:54
  have no skill, They hate meritocracy, they hate competition. And by the
• 1:08:58
  way, all this stuff is masculine. All this top that they're shooting on
• 1:09:00
  is shipped that men liked, because when when video games were new and for
• 1:09:03
  children, any man who played them was like was shunned. He was treated
• 1:09:09
  like an outcast and a weirdo. Now that it's all mainstream and girls are
• 1:09:13
  into it, all of a sudden everybody loves it. Of course, now
• 1:09:15
  it's getting ruined. But that so does that make sense, sir chat,
• 1:09:24
  it doesn't make sense. I'm not sure if Allison wants to speak before I
• 1:09:28
  compete, because I though she wasn't. Yeah, oh here go ahead,
• 1:09:31
  Yeah sure, I mean I could. I could do a counterpoint a couple
• 1:09:39
  Uh. Well, I don't know, counterpoint or just tangential points. Well,
• 1:09:43
  I guess that's up to the audience to decide. First, of all,
• 1:09:46
  these communists, which you call communists, you can turn them into right
• 1:09:53
  wing bootstrap rhetorics spouting conservatives by simply mentioning a men's issue and the instant that
• 1:10:02
  you mentioned the men's men's issues. To these communists or what you're calling communists,
• 1:10:08
  they start talking about what the individual, the service the individual owes society
• 1:10:14
  to keep society running, and how individual problems like the the individual factory worker
• 1:10:20
  is just to blame or shares in the blame as the boss who's exploiting his
• 1:10:26
  labor. Suddenly all of their principles disappear. It's amazing. I don't know
• 1:10:30
  if you guys have noticed that they don't have principles, Alison, they have
• 1:10:33
  goals one hundred percent. They they've never said they have principles. They only
• 1:10:40
  have things that they want to get. You're right, You're right. They
• 1:10:43
  even have the principles Communist principles. They just have shit they want to get.
• 1:10:47
  But my point is that all you have to do to suddenly get them
• 1:10:53
  to espouse the whole idea of the necessity of individual merit and the individual serving
• 1:10:59
  society, not the society serving the individual is just mentioned a men's issue,
• 1:11:03
  or just counter this idea that somehow, for example, the men who faced
• 1:11:11
  execution went to war under threat of execution, are somehow not not responsible for
• 1:11:20
  creating the war that they would have been executed to not if they wanted to
• 1:11:25
  not fight in you know, and and just you know, they they immediately
• 1:11:29
  fall back on this idea of ultimate culpability of the individual, but only when
• 1:11:33
  it comes to men any other group. No, that that that that that
• 1:11:39
  then society owes them. I'm just Alison dropped. I think, Alison,
• 1:11:47
  you you try to try to come back. Is anyone else there or let
• 1:11:55
  me just check something. Maybe I'm dropped. Maybe I'm the one that dropped.
• 1:12:00
  Okay, Okay, I see weird did Alison drap then it seems like
• 1:12:06
  it Okay, well that's all right. Well, I mean that's all true,
• 1:12:14
  I suppose, but the conservative is not the one destroying the game and
• 1:12:16
  culture. I'm sorry, it's just it's just not the same. It's like,
• 1:12:20
  when that happens, call me up. I'll be right there in the
• 1:12:24
  front lines. But right now I'm dealing with commies. Okay. So I
• 1:12:28
  think Allison is touching on it's basically this puritanical culture that exists within the anglosphere
• 1:12:36
  because if we go back to like the Push era and everyone else was like,
• 1:12:40
  oh rock and roll music, dungeon dragons, video games, the cure
• 1:12:45
  societal problems, and I think that's where she's coming from because a lot of
• 1:12:48
  people going back and it's like, yeah, I know what what's happening right
• 1:12:51
  now? When you made a good video games and anime happened like decades prior,
• 1:12:56
  it was just yes, of course, Jack Tom and all that.
• 1:13:00
  But I think the main difference is though, when that was happening, when
• 1:13:05
  Tipper Gore was like trying to get like you know, I don't know,
• 1:13:09
  like restrictions on like rap music that had bad language in it, or when
• 1:13:14
  Jack Thompson was warning against like Mortal Kombat making kids violent, or or when
• 1:13:18
  like any of these other sort of like you know what we would consider to
• 1:13:21
  be conservative pundits said something, we pushed back, and we pushed back together.
• 1:13:28
  When the woke lady Friend people come along, all of a sudden,
• 1:13:31
  people are buckling and they're like, oh, I don't know, I don't
• 1:13:33
  want to be called sexist. So like it's like it's it could be the
• 1:13:38
  same instincts, but the response is completely different. Am I off base there?
• 1:13:45
  No, You're completely correct. And the reason why the response is so
• 1:13:48
  different, it's because of the culture that lived is fasted like four decades.
• 1:13:54
  Because I think it's yeah, I admit this, like before twenty eighteen was
• 1:14:00
  I wasn't like hard lift, but I was like a leftist, so I
• 1:14:03
  was like pro feminism. I was the kind of gay way if you've mentioned
• 1:14:08
  something about a gay person and I'd be like, what are you saying?
• 1:14:10
  Is it something? Is it something good? I hope it's good. And
• 1:14:13
  it was simply due to the fact that a lot of the entertainment, even
• 1:14:15
  my k're in South Africa like would position it as oh, no, gay
• 1:14:19
  people are always under attach you need to be fearful of conservatives. It's interesting,
• 1:14:25
  yeah, yeah, a propaganda sure. Yeah. And so you go
• 1:14:28
  to this process not actually knowing what's going on, because if you don't do
• 1:14:31
  the research yourself and you don't have those conversations yourself, you'll never know what's
• 1:14:34
  on the other side. Actually, and so a lot of people because for
• 1:14:39
  example, I can point to just some guy if you're familiar with him as
• 1:14:42
  a YouTuber or no dat news stand, like just a lot of people,
• 1:14:45
  Yeah, I know them. Yeah. And what you notice is that when
• 1:14:49
  gamer Gate was happening, when the culture was like very fresh for us,
• 1:14:54
  they were on outside. But then eventually they noticed that, oh no,
• 1:14:58
  conservatives are making gaining new ground and they are like, oh fuck, we
• 1:15:03
  can't be on this side anymore. Yeah, because yes, exactly, I
• 1:15:08
  have to push back too, because I don't want like whatever the boogeyman hovers
• 1:15:13
  over there. But if you've noticed, I mean, like even what in
• 1:15:16
  the last couple of days, Matt Walsh said something and immediately was shot down,
• 1:15:21
  and just justifiably so because he doesn't know what he's talking about. So
• 1:15:27
  it's I mean, that's that's what we need. We need the same response
• 1:15:31
  no matter where it's coming from from anyone who's trying to tell us essentially what
• 1:15:36
  we should be doing with our time and our money. Most importantly, Yeah,
• 1:15:42
  no, that's the reason why if effectively went on this like one man
• 1:15:46
  purity check with people the bond. I see someone say anything like guys,
• 1:15:50
  please don't arrest the journalist. I'm like, where we arrest anyone? We
• 1:15:55
  don't do that, Like that's not our mo and so in people yeah,
• 1:16:00
  say things like, oh, don't arrass, We're not six, We're not
• 1:16:01
  this. It's like you're validating the claim that's been made against us because the
• 1:16:06
  moment you acknowledge what they're saying, they're like, hmm, they've admitted that
• 1:16:12
  is a problem. We now need to show. We need to show people
• 1:16:14
  is a problem because we know that Anit effect traits against her. Like I
• 1:16:19
  know when I was a gaming journalist back in like what twenty nineteen, I
• 1:16:25
  made like an intend a deep dive on game. Again, it wasn't as
• 1:16:29
  deep as like other people I've done. And I mentioned the fact that the
• 1:16:32
  only way Anita could have gotten screenshots of those messages, or rather tweets,
• 1:16:38
  was if she actually searched for a name, the times that she took way
• 1:16:42
  too quick for someone to just have come across it, and all of the
• 1:16:45
  talk of like the vampirism and I love talking a vampire slayer. So it's
• 1:16:50
  like there's this, please all say it's like it is her. But because
• 1:16:55
  at the time we were still living in the culture of women can't do anything
• 1:16:59
  wrong, they can't say anything bad or lie, people believed it. And
• 1:17:02
  even when we gave all that evidence that no, they lied, Zowa's lying,
• 1:17:08
  Rihanna Wuh's line, no one wanted to believe us, especially because a
• 1:17:11
  lot of people in Game and Gate at the time were leftists. Yeah really
• 1:17:15
  except the fact that by a worldview was a lie. Yeah, or at
• 1:17:19
  the very least they were like liberal enough that they were just going to believe,
• 1:17:24
  Like the believe women was the default position like these they like, there
• 1:17:28
  are default positions. People approached this from because of this sort of like cultural
• 1:17:32
  conditioning, but also a little bit because of our biology. Like when a
• 1:17:36
  woman says she's in trouble, everyone assumes that it must be true before they
• 1:17:42
  investigate, And when a man says he's in trouble, we're more likely to
• 1:17:45
  be a little bit turned off by that. Yeah, and that was the
• 1:17:49
  biggest thing in that's the reason why most of the people like that became the
• 1:17:55
  figure hits of like the anti gamer gate movement and even the ones who were
• 1:17:58
  pushing everything well women, because if we leveraged any kind of criticism against them,
• 1:18:02
  and who'd be like, oh, you're sexist, you must say to
• 1:18:04
  women. And that's why it was so difficult because at the time culture was
• 1:18:09
  very much women can do no wrong, and so when we attempted to criticize
• 1:18:14
  them, it went no way. Because even like when we did Christina half
• 1:18:17
  Summers on outside, she got called a picney. And it's like, even
• 1:18:21
  when you have women defending you, it's like, we didn't gain any ground
• 1:18:26
  when it came to the Oh my god, I the whole thing about optics
• 1:18:30
  so so much like, oh, guys, we need to present formal,
• 1:18:34
  rational arguments. We need to give the best picture of ourselves because that will
• 1:18:39
  convince normals. I'm like, we done that, Sagat done that, Stina
• 1:18:44
  done that. Like so many people focused on optics and it got us no
• 1:18:48
  way. And that's why for me, when I see people going back to
• 1:18:51
  as Andy're like, oh, no, the optics was work problem. I'm
• 1:18:56
  like, the optics really doesn't matter. It's the message because the thing is,
• 1:19:00
  as it said, people are still talking about as told today, and
• 1:19:06
  as was one hundred percent correct for his rent because yeah, if you ever
• 1:19:11
  look, I mean, actually, you know what, I'm glad you brought
• 1:19:13
  this up because it lets me bring up something else. I do see some
• 1:19:16
  people waiting to talk. I'll give you guys a moment, but first there's
• 1:19:20
  something I've been really wanting to mention. But this is related because this is
• 1:19:25
  about their tactics. So this week is the Game Developers Conference GDC twenty twenty
• 1:19:30
  four, and GDC is like where all the game devs and all these other
• 1:19:35
  people they network with each other. They work in the industry, their journalists,
• 1:19:40
  their developers, their producers, their investors, whatever, right, and
• 1:19:45
  they go to shield themselves or like meet other people. So anyway, neither
• 1:19:49
  Sarkisian had or feminist frequency had a talk at the GDC conference this year,
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  and this is I'm just gonna rea what this is about, because this relates
• 1:20:00
  to exactly what you're talking about, chit chatcat regarding optics. So the title
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  of This is called so You've been canceled? Now what? And it's hosted
• 1:20:13
  by Jay Lynn, program manager for Feminist Frequency and Carl Murray Olsen, facilitator
• 1:20:19
  for RESPEC and because they have the room and everything. But I'm gonna skip
• 1:20:23
  that. So here's so what it's about is if the mob, if the
• 1:20:27
  cancel culture mob comes after you in the context of obviously the game development industry,
• 1:20:33
  and you are called out for bad behavior, whatever it might be,
• 1:20:39
  how do you respond, how do you heal? How do you recover?
• 1:20:42
  And this is essentially a struggle session as a talk. Okay, you guys
• 1:20:47
  familiar what a struggle session is. It's a maoist thing. Yeah, So
• 1:20:54
  so it's essentially psychological torture to get you to bend your will to these people
• 1:20:58
  so that you can, like you know, essentially feel a sense of relief
• 1:21:02
  from the immense amount of guilt they try to throw at you. But anyway,
• 1:21:05
  it says, then someone who has hurt others, even repeatedly, actually
• 1:21:10
  change what comes after the call out? What can someone do if they've been
• 1:21:14
  called problematic but aren't actually sure why not necessarily like whether or not they are,
• 1:21:19
  just whether or not they understand why they are or after losing friends,
• 1:21:26
  jobs, and networks, how does a person move forward if they want to
• 1:21:29
  become someone who won't cause that type of harm, even unintentionally. Again,
• 1:21:33
  so your intentions don't matter right. For the last two years, RESPEC has
• 1:21:38
  been talking to people in the games industry who have been called out, confronted,
• 1:21:43
  canceled, or fired for wrongdoing, harming others, or crossing boundaries or
• 1:21:47
  consent. By balancing compassion and accountability, RESPECT believes that restoring humanity to the
• 1:21:54
  experience of causing harm better foster's long term change. So that's the subject of
• 1:21:59
  the talk they gave or they're going to give. I'm not sure when it
• 1:22:01
  happened. You see what the it probably has the date. Yeah, it
• 1:22:04
  was actually today in the morning. What's the takeaway from this? If you
• 1:22:10
  go to it? This talk will share an actionable roadmap to change, quotes
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  from participants, common roots of accountability that have emerged, and respects approach to
• 1:22:18
  facilitating accountable discussions. But considerations outlined can also offer those running or building communities
• 1:22:27
  a nuanced framework for addressing harm in ways that better foster change. Pay attention
• 1:22:31
  to all the woke kami language in this by the way, intended audience,
• 1:22:36
  this is for anyone who has hurt others and wants to prevent it from happening
• 1:22:40
  again. Anyone worried about unintentionally harming others, anyone who has faced a call
• 1:22:45
  out and wants to make things right, or anyone who is interested in supporting
• 1:22:48
  people they care about who have done harmful things. Now this is so that's
• 1:22:54
  the layout of the thing. But you see what's happening with this. This
• 1:22:58
  is about power and control and they will use victimhood to get it and it's
• 1:23:02
  very effective. But anyway, where are you going to say chip chatcat about
• 1:23:06
  that? This is at GDC with the old GDC thing with that specific talk.
• 1:23:13
  You know what, It's great for the people that are going to go
• 1:23:15
  into again because they demonstrable people, but unfortunately they don't have a conscience,
• 1:23:18
  so they won't benefit in any way. Be Like, I hope so Equin's
• 1:23:24
  attended, you know, because maybe she can learn that fish will hopefully in
• 1:23:30
  a ditch. Is there someone else that's waiting to talk? Oh, in
• 1:23:36
  QCL, do you want to add anything? Or should I give the microphone
• 1:23:41
  to Uh, there's a couple of people. I thought, Allison is waiting.
• 1:23:45
  I got to approve her, but I'll send her back in. Well,
• 1:23:49
  I also things to say, but it's your co Oh, Allison's not
• 1:23:55
  no longer requesting, So go ahead. What do you want to say?
• 1:23:58
  All right? Uh So the first thing, the thing that you that you
• 1:24:02
  mentioned there is this idea, there is this sort of idea about the conservatives,
• 1:24:08
  about the abstract sort of miasma of conservatism and conservatives influencing culture in this
• 1:24:15
  nefarious ways from somewhere in the eighties nineties, something about dungeons and dragons,
• 1:24:20
  something about satanic panic. And I think it's mostly overstated to the extent that
• 1:24:28
  they did. They were right in certain instances like that there was actually some
• 1:24:33
  weird satanical cults going on, like if something like Searcher no Finders cult,
• 1:24:40
  right that the CIA ran it wasn't weird CIA ran thing. So there was
• 1:24:44
  stuff like that. But outside of that, conservatives didn't really have this massive
• 1:24:48
  They didn't have a fraction of the impact the leftis have today or ever had.
• 1:24:55
  Consider something like the movie. It was something that I they are recalled
• 1:25:01
  recently a time to Kill, which is it is Joel Schumacher movie. It
• 1:25:05
  was something I think in the in the nineties. Is that the one with
• 1:25:10
  Samuel Jackson. Yeah, they deserve to die and I hope they burned in
• 1:25:13
  hell. Yes, Samuel and Jackson, Conagie spe Kevin Spacey, Sandra Bullock,
• 1:25:18
  Donald and sand like like insane like cas right, and and it's a
• 1:25:26
  movie based on a book whereas Samuel L. Jackson's h daughter gets you know,
• 1:25:31
  grape yeah by the rednecks by some like a like insanely carricatches stereotype rednecks
• 1:25:41
  and he shoots them. And the movie is about the pro Matthew McConaughey getting
• 1:25:46
  Oh, oh, I think I know. Is this the one that's supposedly
• 1:25:49
  based on a real story, but the true story is like completely novel.
• 1:25:54
  Yeah, and the John Grisham novel who based it on real event where the
• 1:26:00
  races are reversed of course, Andy fucking insane Like there's a bit where the
• 1:26:04
  when an na a CP like representative comes in and says this, this outcome
• 1:26:11
  like this, this chriald has to go our way because it might it might
• 1:26:15
  reveal racism in society. But basically, if you don't allow SAMUELA and Jackson
• 1:26:19
  to just vigilant issue to people. Then then then that's a lot of racism,
• 1:26:24
  right, and that's in the nineties, Like that's insane, right,
• 1:26:28
  So where the conservatives, what conservatives have do that even compares to stuff like
• 1:26:33
  this, right, And this also goes to another fact that nineties weren't this
• 1:26:38
  magical cold Brian fucking James Lindsay land of utopia where the racial differences have dissolved
• 1:26:45
  as if a stayed in communism. Right, there were racial riots that there's
• 1:26:51
  like if you punch someone, if you punched the black kid as a white
• 1:26:55
  dude in California in high school, you were in trouble. Like even if
• 1:26:59
  you defended yourself against a black head, you know, you were in trouble.
• 1:27:02
  There was this visual It might have been dialed down, but it's it's
• 1:27:09
  very much twenty sixteen racial politics. So going off about like this this weird
• 1:27:16
  nefarious Oh and tipic God tiper Got is a fucking Democrat. Jack Johnson is
• 1:27:20
  a Democrat, like all these people are Democrats in the when all this said
• 1:27:25
  and done, right, So it is it is conceding the frame. It
• 1:27:29
  is conceding the frame that what we're living through is just a pendulum swinging back
• 1:27:33
  right. Conservatives were mean to us somehow we were not really how but but
• 1:27:38
  but but this is like justify justifiable bylash. You know, it's gay raised
• 1:27:42
  communism until eternally because something in the nineties conservatives did about dungeons and dragon This
• 1:27:47
  this is this is entirely conceding the frame. And speaking of conceding the frame,
• 1:27:54
  this is the problem that I have with the current isration. I was
• 1:27:58
  going to soft walk into it, but yeah, I agree with the stuff
• 1:28:02
  about you know, keeping it a political and it's just about this very specific,
• 1:28:09
  isolated issue in a vacuum that cannot really be isolated and cannot be really
• 1:28:14
  put in a vacuum. Right it is. It is political, and it
• 1:28:18
  is not written you kind of really excited out of politics because politics is what
• 1:28:23
  drives the people that are doing it. It's just just as a quick tension.
• 1:28:27
  I want to say, the conditions for victory, like, what what
• 1:28:32
  does victory look like. If victory looks like you know, total journal you
• 1:28:39
  know, Kia, that's not happening, right, the Devil's never going to
• 1:28:42
  happen, right, So if that's something that people expected from the first gamer
• 1:28:46
  Gate, like the gamer Gate loss because we didn't build you know, gallows
• 1:28:50
  for journalists. Yeah that that was no, never gonna happen, metric Gamergate
• 1:28:56
  fail. Okay whatever, Yeah, yeah, no, I know, I
• 1:28:59
  agree, said go ahead if the idea is that like just just messaging,
• 1:29:04
  the messaging is really is the only thing that you can do, like even
• 1:29:08
  if you go even if you go step upwards and and and can consider the
• 1:29:13
  whole political spectrum, like the actual politics of of of how the government's what
• 1:29:17
  the government policy is like for if you're a right wing, if you're actual
• 1:29:23
  thing, not like like weird Matt Walsh is of Israel right wing, but
• 1:29:26
  actual right wing, like it, it's hopeless for you, Like the best
• 1:29:31
  or your best hope is Trump and hoping he doesn't invite Jaray Kushner back to
• 1:29:35
  the party. So messaging is the best you can do, right, like
• 1:29:40
  the bedding down the hatches, build locally, do what you can in your
• 1:29:45
  immediate so sort of surroundings and then sort of, uh, try to radicalize
• 1:29:51
  normies. I guess within that if that is the time, is that is
• 1:29:58
  the best you can do. I I've definitely seen this sort of like here
• 1:30:02
  there's what there's one like, uh, a screenshot I have from the Discord
• 1:30:06
  server that that's that's running the what are you and r A I mean Discord,
• 1:30:14
  I mean the sweet Baby detected. It's like three hundred thousand people,
• 1:30:16
  which is a lot. Yeah, that's that's a sizable, sizable operation,
• 1:30:20
  well, not operation, but social media node. I guess there's one comment
• 1:30:27
  from some guy d ie sounds great on paper, but in practice it is
• 1:30:30
  awful. So you're basically conceding the frame entirely to your enemies. You're basically
• 1:30:36
  saying your enemies are right. Uh yes, And therefore your opposition to it
• 1:30:42
  is like like what are you? What's your problem? And what one problem
• 1:30:45
  is? Uh? You know, you know, some some specific application of
• 1:30:49
  the thing that they're doing, Like they're doing the thing wrong, right,
• 1:30:54
  So it's it's it's mostly it frames itself or fall falls into itself, or
• 1:30:58
  or you present yourself as an interesting conflict. It's like leftist fighting with leftist
• 1:31:01
  but yep, mm hmm. And which is a which unfortunately seems to me
• 1:31:12
  at times that it is what it that that is what it is like someone
• 1:31:16
  like me, which is, let's just say, very far right. Uh,
• 1:31:21
  My alignment with people that on that discord is that very specific, isolated
• 1:31:28
  issue of I don't want these people influencing games, right, I don't want
• 1:31:31
  this particular company. Although I will say, uh, and I said this
• 1:31:34
  like like five months ago, when the Sweet Baby was first sort of discovered
• 1:31:40
  and talked about, I basically said, it's not like this that the like
• 1:31:44
  Triple A. It's not like you know, e A is full of gigabased
• 1:31:47
  people and they were just by danger hair like weirdos in this one company,
• 1:31:54
  right, mm hmm. So so so that was that was back then and
• 1:31:59
  now it's sort of as the confluence of factors is exploded whatever. But uh,
• 1:32:05
  the way that the way you got there, it's a long road,
• 1:32:09
  you know, It's it's like sort of road of institutional pressure that you I
• 1:32:16
  suppose this is just a discussion of tactics, and you know, you don't
• 1:32:20
  really have the institutional drive. You do not really have the institutions that that
• 1:32:25
  functionally then change the outcomes that you want to see. And this is another
• 1:32:31
  point with which also rolls back into the conceding the frame and and what you're
• 1:32:36
  actually trying to do here. Free marketplace of ideas doesn't exist. That's a
• 1:32:41
  mean. Change is only really executed by institutions and getting to those institutions.
• 1:32:46
  That doesn't happen because you convince someone. That happens because you backstep cheated light
• 1:32:51
  and stole you of a into positions of power, and then you exercise that
• 1:32:55
  power. Right, debating people, It's it's almost like a at best,
• 1:33:04
  is uh pressure well pressure release valve, right'. It's it's it's sort of
• 1:33:11
  like fighting over your favorite sports team. It's it's a little it's a little
• 1:33:17
  better than that. I'm not sure the actual when you look at what actually
• 1:33:21
  radicalized normies in in the or to the extent that can be said they have
• 1:33:27
  been radicalized, it was the lockdown, right you could you could have spent
• 1:33:30
  like tens of thousands of hours online debating fucking bedroom feminists. I don't want
• 1:33:35
  to disparage the MRI issue, like I obviously there was some good work now
• 1:33:42
  like there was like the awareness was spread, right. Your hope ultimately is
• 1:33:46
  that by spreading awareness you get these these sort of these individuals, these people
• 1:33:53
  that are find themselves in a position capable of exercising influence. Right, you
• 1:33:58
  don't care about the individual normy you care about talking getting alone masks to to
• 1:34:02
  notice this somehow, right, yea, And for that extent you need you
• 1:34:08
  need to do this, like you need to do this like ten insane ten
• 1:34:11
  thousand hours, ten thousand hours worth of the online debates. But you cannot
• 1:34:16
  be mistaken about what you're trying to achieve, right, Like, there's not
• 1:34:19
  no critical massive normies that you can radicalize that it's going to affect change.
• 1:34:24
  It's Elon Mask doing things. It's it's you know, be the THEO doing
• 1:34:28
  things. And going back to the whole discord this discord business. My trouble
• 1:34:36
  with this is that a lot of the people are confused as to what needs
• 1:34:41
  to happen, and maybe even though they don't necessarily want what needs to happen
• 1:34:45
  to happen right wherein they very easily will become rather than assets. Like for
• 1:34:53
  example, I think of something like you know, that's that some black guy
• 1:34:57
  or Chris Reger right, like they are very well be aligned with Yeah,
• 1:35:03
  no, no, I agree with you. I think that ultimately it comes
• 1:35:06
  down to and I've just gotta because I gotta move on and wrap the show
• 1:35:11
  up. But I agree with everything you're saying, I think that it comes
• 1:35:15
  down to just like keeping people inform, keeping people vigilant. I don't want
• 1:35:18
  any black pills, you know, out of here. I'm not saying that
• 1:35:21
  everything's gonna be great, but like giving up is the worst thing you do,
• 1:35:25
  so you have to remain vigilant, remain informed, share information, don't
• 1:35:29
  worry about trying to change everything overnight. And it's like you said, you
• 1:35:32
  know, most of what we're dealing with is shit that we've had. We're
• 1:35:34
  dealing with that started before we were born, So like how can we expect
• 1:35:39
  it to be over by the time we die? So it's almost like you
• 1:35:42
  have to, you know, you just start the process and then you just
• 1:35:45
  do you take care of yourself and do what you can. You know.
• 1:35:48
  So, as I'm saying that, the thing about you know, this whole
• 1:35:51
  Gabory thing is it you know, it's sort of small in that it's just
• 1:35:56
  like a leisure activity that people like to do. And you know, some
• 1:36:00
  might say that you're taking this too seriously, but it is not like it
• 1:36:03
  is part of something much bigger that's happening. And this is like where people
• 1:36:08
  are starting to take notice, you know, So like they're gonna so they're
• 1:36:12
  gonna see the ways that what's happened here is a byproduct of stuff that's happening
• 1:36:17
  everywhere else. And I think that we are there's there's way more people like
• 1:36:21
  activated now than we're like in twenty fourteen, way more. I mean,
• 1:36:27
  Elon Musk is sympathetic. He runs Twitter now. That changes the whole conversation
• 1:36:30
  at least, right, So, like, I think there's just a lot
• 1:36:34
  of I think that we're in a better, much better place than we were,
• 1:36:38
  and it, you know, it warms my heart, and I hope
• 1:36:41
  that we you know, people will realize that you can't you know, eventually
• 1:36:45
  you're gonna have to confront the sort of like you know, broader scale politicals
• 1:36:50
  politics of this because they are impacting culture, and culture will affect the politics,
• 1:36:57
  or at least people's like values and the values will affect the politics,
• 1:37:00
  if that makes sense. And that's why they want to corrupt all of our
• 1:37:03
  cultural institutions. That's why you know they made that uh what was that movie
• 1:37:08
  called again? Uh the Girls or the movie the Samuel Jackson movie that was
• 1:37:15
  based on the book, Yeah, Time to Kill Like that's why, like
• 1:37:18
  when that came out. Everybody just thought that was just a movie and they
• 1:37:21
  didn't like know anything else about it. But that that bit of information that
• 1:37:27
  you shared. I heard that like on the internet. I think that that's
• 1:37:30
  going around right. So so I'm i'm i'm I'm optimistic about the future,
• 1:37:36
  but I'm not expecting to see a lot in my lifetime. That's all I
• 1:37:42
  will say. So. But uh, with that said, thank you in
• 1:37:45
  q SEL for that. I'm gonna head or chit Chat Cat and I'm gonna
• 1:37:53
  I'm gonna close out the show here, you guys, and I have one
• 1:37:56
  request. Let me see who somebody wants to come in and say something the
• 1:37:59
  Infamous missed the Bloody I'm gonna approve it, man, I'll give you some
• 1:38:03
  final thoughts and then I'm gonna end the show there. And uh, yeah,
• 1:38:09
  Allison's gonna she's she's like not able to get in, so I don't
• 1:38:14
  know something's going on on her end, but uh, and somebody's making noise
• 1:38:19
  in the background. I'm gonna have to mute chitchat Cat there, So if
• 1:38:26
  that's okay, or if you could mute that would be good. Okay,
• 1:38:33
  all right, if Infamous bloody mista. You want to say something, Oh,
• 1:38:44
  yeah, I mean I mean that you guys are pretty much covering most
• 1:38:46
  of the things I was thinking about, to be honest with you, the
• 1:38:49
  only thing I really kind of really thought about just just throwing this in as
• 1:38:54
  a side thought, Like the idea of like radically getting the normies involved in
• 1:38:59
  it is kind of the weirdest part. Maybe it's just me, maybe it's
• 1:39:03
  just kind of a big thing here, but with the whole Gamergate thing,
• 1:39:08
  if you haven't noticed, like people aren't getting on board with everything that goes
• 1:39:12
  on with the whole woke thing because it's like, Okay, it doesn't affect
• 1:39:15
  me, so they don't really care. Yeah I know, which sucks and
• 1:39:19
  I don't know why, but you know, once it enters their sphere and
• 1:39:23
  then they're looking around for help. But you know, you know, the
• 1:39:28
  I didn't come out because I was a normy thing. Right. The whole
• 1:39:30
  point is like, if you can get all the gamers that are relatively endless
• 1:39:34
  sphere of like a political conversation to actually like sit down and have a conversation
• 1:39:41
  about what the hell is going on, not the people who are hearing it
• 1:39:45
  from like kataku because the average entire the average kataku enjoyer is not going to
• 1:39:48
  be your base conversation audience. I'm just gonna be honest with you one hundred.
• 1:39:54
  Yeah. So, like focusing rightly on the on the gaming perspective right
• 1:40:00
  now is kind of the best thing. Once we get this shit cleared up,
• 1:40:02
  maybe we can move forward with other stuff. Yeah, Like, first
• 1:40:08
  we got to clean up our yard before we go over here and try to
• 1:40:10
  help like comics in all these other places. Because I've already seen how the
• 1:40:13
  cross pollination of these ideas really didn't work out because the implementation was bad.
• 1:40:19
  We left a lot of things hanging back in twenty sixteen. And I'll be
• 1:40:24
  honest, Like it didn't fix everything, and it wasn't going to fix everything
• 1:40:28
  because you were going to have a brand new brand of journalists that showed up
• 1:40:30
  again, listener, CONTI wasn't working at any of these places before Gamergate.
• 1:40:36
  Like, these people are relatively new. Like I don't know if you've noticed
• 1:40:40
  it, but like this is a new bumper crop of people that you've never
• 1:40:43
  seen or heard of. Yeah, again, these people are new guard to
• 1:40:47
  an old argument. Yeah, there are some old faces and new spaces that
• 1:40:53
  we've seen like again Lego Butts. Yeah, those are similar people. And
• 1:40:58
  again all the connections lead back to the same people we've talked about in twenty
• 1:41:01
  sixteen. Mm hmm. However, like we got to start here first,
• 1:41:08
  because if we go out there and try to like do the fracturing thing like
• 1:41:11
  we did back in twenty sixteen where everybody wanted to fight two different fronts and
• 1:41:15
  it just didn't work, it's not it's going to fall apart. And I
• 1:41:18
  mean, really that's a that I don't make it a shit show this time
• 1:41:24
  again, if you're expecting Matt Walsh to really help you, we tried h
• 1:41:29
  try that with Milo Iianopolis. Let's be fair here. That didn't work out.
• 1:41:32
  I was there, like, why are we bringing Milo? It'll be
• 1:41:35
  a good voice. Oh it wasn't. Yeah, so well he seemed someone
• 1:41:42
  that was more like about using it for himself, right, So I don't
• 1:41:45
  think it was good and that that's the thing. I think people are more
• 1:41:47
  a wary of that these days, and that's why, like I said,
• 1:41:50
  Matt Walsh got they got slapped down like pretty much immediately afterwards. But again
• 1:41:56
  I'm with you on that. I think we just focus on this, and
• 1:41:59
  I think the one thing that helps is that we just have fun with it
• 1:42:02
  and just mean the shit out of the things that we like and mean the
• 1:42:05
  shit out of the things that we want to criticize. And that's working,
• 1:42:09
  right. So like, like I'm in Kyel's discord server. Yeah, I'm
• 1:42:15
  in there, and and I'm in the Sweet Baby Inc Detected one, and
• 1:42:19
  they're you know, they're having fun. And like even if I don't care
• 1:42:23
  what you're you know, because I don't need to like learn about, like
• 1:42:26
  how what your politics are. Frankly, when I started doing this work,
• 1:42:30
  I was completely different in my beliefs than I am today. So I know
• 1:42:33
  that it will, you know, take a little time. But fortunately I
• 1:42:38
  think we have a lot on our side, so I think it. I
• 1:42:40
  think that you're right, and I appreciate your feedback anytime. All right,
• 1:42:45
  I know you're trying to wrap up, so I'll just pop back up.
• 1:42:47
  All right, man, Well, thank you so much. And I think
• 1:42:50
  I got one more person. No, nobody's requesting, So I'm going to
• 1:42:55
  end the call because my phone is dying, and I'm just gonna say,
• 1:42:59
  Eli, figure your shit out, give us the spaces that works on desktop
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  and works consistently and doesn't have a shit ton of lag and doesn't drop all
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  of a sudden. Come on, man, you put like a robot on
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  Mars and you couldn't just get this to work on it. It's worse than
• 1:43:15
  Sky heard. I'm on desktop right now doing this. Well, I mean
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  yeah, but the thing is you are on desktop. I'm on desktop talking
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  to you right now too. But to start this, to start the spaces,
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  I have to use it in my phone. It's stupid. So my
• 1:43:29
  phone is over here dying just to run the space. But I'm actually using
• 1:43:33
  a different account to talk to you guys. So anyway, but thank you
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  for coming on the show. Let me know what you guys think about this
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  GDC stuff, and I will try to cover more of it this week on
• 1:43:45
  Honey Badger Arcade, which is the gaming channel. Thanks so much for Thank
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  you for everybody who called in. It was actually like a lot more rewarding
• 1:43:54
  than I expected. I was worried that the technical difficulties are going to be
• 1:43:58
  a real boot in my but I did get some super chat so I'm gonna
• 1:44:01
  read those really quick and then I'm gonna end it. There, so ZARANX
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  gave us two dollars and says, I'm maga pint Brian, so I guess
• 1:44:09
  he was in the He was in our chat for a bit and then he
• 1:44:11
  I think he left. Thank you for that. And then he says a
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  lot of this is incomplete or not coming through at all on spaces for five
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  dollars, I hope that was fixed. That's still a problem, let me
• 1:44:23
  know. And then Albert Nata Retro gives us five dollars. Canadian says,
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  met a woman at the coffee shop. I told her about HBr my channel
• 1:44:30
  and where to see the Red Pill. Passy's doc is about the real RP.
• 1:44:34
  The rest is snake oil. Thank you for all of that, appreciate
• 1:44:39
  it. And I think I'm just gonna end the show there. So I'm
• 1:44:45
  gonna hang up on the spaces here and end that and then I'll wrap it
• 1:44:47
  up with everybody else. So thanks guys. How do I do that?
• 1:44:51
  Oh? No, end it and it'll be recorded, it'll be up there.
• 1:44:56
  So all right, that's the end of that. So thanks guys for
• 1:45:00
  coming on the show. Let me know what you guys think about this in
• 1:45:01
  the comments. I did get another super chaw or chat from Albernata Retro for
• 1:45:06
  two dollars Canadian. It's the nature of gamers to resist, Yes, it
• 1:45:11
  is. That is true. If you guys like this, and it will
• 1:45:15
  continue. It will continue until people like you know, finally take a stand
• 1:45:19
  and realize that our culture is is like really important. As an artist myself,
• 1:45:26
  I care deeply about it. So anyway, thank you so much for
• 1:45:30
  coming on the show. If you liked this video, please hit like subscribe.
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• 1:45:38
  please please please share this video because sharing is caring. I'll try to get
• 1:45:42
  this space this thing figured out before the next time I do this. This
• 1:45:45
  might be a series because back in the day when Gamergate was like you know,
• 1:45:47
  around the first time, we used to have a series called Badger Pod
• 1:45:51
  Gamergate. We would have like different people on and they were sort of like
• 1:45:56
  regulars and we talk about what was going on in the whole space, like
• 1:46:00
  with the newest articles or whatever. So we might bring that back. If
• 1:46:04
  I can get this work and maybe do it on spaces, I think that
• 1:46:06
  could work. If Elon Musk gets that shit straightened out. So anyway,
• 1:46:10
  thanks so much for coming on today's episode of Badger Pod gamer Gate two.
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  Because it's gamer Gate two. We'll talk to you all in the next one.