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245: Sister Wives Recap - The Stars Will Fall From The Sky (S19 E23) · Reality TV Cringe

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Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, So this is Sister Wives season nineteen.
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Speaker 1: We are on episode twenty three entitled.
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Speaker 2: The Stars Will Fall from the Sky.
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Speaker 1: And this is a reference to the passing of Garrison,
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Speaker 1: and so maybe a trigger warning is appropriate. We are
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Speaker 1: going to be talking about the passing of Garrison. This
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Speaker 1: is the episode in which we discuss Garrison's passing, how
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Speaker 1: it happened, and how it has affected the family. Now,
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Speaker 1: do you have any takeaways that you want to talk
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Speaker 1: about at the top or.
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Speaker 2: Oh this episode made me cry?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was sad. Yeah. My main thought was that
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Speaker 1: I did not appreciate how this episode was constructed. I
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Speaker 1: think this subject called for an entire episode, and I
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Speaker 1: think I saw Nicky's husband, I think his name is
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Speaker 1: John Nicki Haverstock's husband say like, we can have a
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Speaker 1: whole I don't know, four episodes special for Christine's wedding,
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Speaker 1: but we can't have one dedicated episode for Garrison's passing.
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Speaker 1: Make it make sense, and it doesn't make sense, And
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Speaker 1: I absolutely echo that sentiment. I think we should have
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Speaker 1: set aside some real time to talk about it, but
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Speaker 1: we didn't. Instead, we had, you know, a scene with
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Speaker 1: Christine and a scene with Mary, which I will go
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Speaker 1: over very quickly, but I really wish that production had
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Speaker 1: done it a little differently.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will never understand their decisions with this kind
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Speaker 2: of stuff. I thought Mary and Christine's parts in this
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Speaker 2: were not important, like in this episode. I mean, like
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Speaker 2: they may have been fine in some of the other
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Speaker 2: episodes in the season, like they were just not really
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Speaker 2: needed right here. Like I don't give a fuck by
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Speaker 2: Lizzie's heritage in being closed. No, I don't really give
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Speaker 2: a fuck about Christine and David having petty little arguments
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Speaker 2: like every other married couple does. Like that's cool, that's great, right,
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Speaker 2: Like we're having a really serious conversation and a really
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Speaker 2: sad episode talking about Garrison's passing. But I am glad
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Speaker 2: that they finally addressed it, and I'm glad that they
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Speaker 2: did actually cover him in an episode, even though it
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Speaker 2: wasn't a full length one. I'm glad that they covered
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Speaker 2: him and they talked about him. We got to hear
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Speaker 2: from other members of the family too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was happy that we got to see
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Speaker 1: him because they had completely erased him out of the
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Speaker 1: entire season, so we know that he participated in some
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Speaker 1: of the things, and yet we never got to see Garrison,
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Speaker 1: and so just seeing some photographs and him with his
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Speaker 1: family or doing the things that he loved, I thought
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Speaker 1: was really very meaningful. So let me just very quickly
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Speaker 1: run through the top of the episode. We open with Christine.
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Speaker 1: She has invited some of her friends and family over
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Speaker 1: to the home in Salt Lake City, and it seems
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Speaker 1: like a nice festive time. I think this entire segment
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Speaker 1: was sort of set up to show us that Christine
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Speaker 1: is assimilating into a regular type of relationship, a monogamous relationship,
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Speaker 1: and she has previous to this and certainly while married
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Speaker 1: to Cody, been the one to kind of call the
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Speaker 1: shots in the home life, like her kids listened to her.
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Speaker 1: To Christine, not necessarily to Cody. She was the one
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Speaker 1: who made the rules. She was the one who did
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Speaker 1: all of the parenting for the most part. But now
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Speaker 1: that she is married with David, she has to be
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Speaker 1: a partner and that's actually different for her, so she
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Speaker 1: has to adjust and figure out how to do that.
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Speaker 1: She is loving the process. This is illustrated through a
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Speaker 1: little scene with David where he's kind of defiant to
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Speaker 1: Christine because Christine doesn't want him to climb over a
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Speaker 1: very rickety fence, plastic fence which looks like it's going
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Speaker 1: to fall down, and she doesn't want her grandkids to
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Speaker 1: see that it's possible to do that, and so she's
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Speaker 1: telling David, who's going to go climb the fence to
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Speaker 1: go get something on the other side. She's telling him
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Speaker 1: not to do that, but it's not in David's nature
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Speaker 1: to not do what he wants to do, and so
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Speaker 1: he does it anyway. And Christine again is not used
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Speaker 1: to this because up to this point, everybody's just done
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Speaker 1: what Christine has said. But David is his own man,
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Speaker 1: and he shows up in this relationship in his own way,
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Speaker 1: and so this was a demonstration of that he's his
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Speaker 1: own person, meeting her where she is undred percent and
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Speaker 1: her one hundred percent, and this is a new union
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Speaker 1: for Christine and we love to see her in it.
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Speaker 1: The second scene was with Mary, and she's at the
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Speaker 1: Haunted B and B with Jen. They've had their final
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Speaker 1: guests at the B and B, which is interesting, and
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Speaker 1: Mary is currently kind of creating a new vision for
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Speaker 1: the space. She wants it to not necessarily be like
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Speaker 1: a B and B, but rather a small events space
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Speaker 1: where people can have little shindigs, and she's going to
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Speaker 1: have a professional kitchen and things like that, and so
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Speaker 1: she's excited about that she's able to bring out her
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Speaker 1: Lizzie's heritage in tablecloth or something. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: she's just happy about this new chapter. And she's also
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Speaker 1: talking about what she's looking forward to in her dating life,
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Speaker 1: and she references having potentially met some folks out on
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Speaker 1: the dating scene who were a little put off by
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Speaker 1: her past. I guess specifically with regard to polygamy, but
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Speaker 1: also with regard to her fame and her public notoriety,
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Speaker 1: which is the problem I think that happened with AMOS.
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Speaker 1: I think so many of the audience members started to
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Speaker 1: get involved and really curious about AMOS and started posting
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Speaker 1: about it and interfering with their relationship, which may have
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Speaker 1: been the thing that's split them apart. And so she
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Speaker 1: very in a roundabout way addresses this. But what Mary
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Speaker 1: wants is to find a meet. She wants to find
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Speaker 1: a man. She wants to do what she wants to
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Speaker 1: do in the B and B, and she wants to
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Speaker 1: live her life, and we love this for her. And
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Speaker 1: then we get this scene of Mary on the couch
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Speaker 1: and she's being interviewed, presumably about all of this stuff
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Speaker 1: that's going on in her life right now, and she
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Speaker 1: gets a phone call from Cody and she's like, Cody's
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Speaker 1: calling me. She ignores it, and she ignores it because
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Speaker 1: she's like, I don't want to talk to Cody. But
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Speaker 1: then he calls right back.
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Speaker 2: She ignores it again.
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Speaker 1: She does text him, says, I presume something like I'm
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Speaker 1: in the middle of stuff, like I'm recording, we're doing interviews,
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Speaker 1: and then he texts her right back and says it's
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Speaker 1: an emergency, so she calls him. And some people might
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Speaker 1: say it's advantageous that we get to see the actual
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Speaker 1: moment when she hears that it's on camera, like I
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily see it that way, but like we do
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Speaker 1: happen to see the moment when Mary hears the news
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Speaker 1: from Cody that Garrison has passed and that he has
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Speaker 1: killed himself, and you can see it on Mary's face.
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Speaker 1: It's this earthquake vibrational energy moment where you hear that
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Speaker 1: kind of news and she excuses herself, and then we
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Speaker 1: kind of go through scene after seeing of the various people,
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Speaker 1: including some of the kids, and how they react to
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Speaker 1: this news.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is why I didn't really like Mary
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Speaker 2: and Christine's segments in this, because Mary's segment was filmed
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Speaker 2: after all of this had happened. Because you can tell,
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Speaker 2: like Mary's thinner, she looks nice, and.
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Speaker 1: It's definitely Mary's segment at the B and B.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's she's completely different looking than the segment that
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Speaker 2: we have just after that, which is Mary getting the
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Speaker 2: call that Garrison has passed away. And so I'm just like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is kind of cobbled together, but like whatever. And
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Speaker 2: when we go through everyone's initial reactions to this horrible,
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Speaker 2: tragic loss, like everybody has like quite normal reactions, Like
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Speaker 2: we have Mary who's visibly emotional, which we don't really
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Speaker 2: see her cry very often. We don't see her really
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Speaker 2: let her walls down. She's always very guarded and everything,
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Speaker 2: and so it was interesting to me to see her
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Speaker 2: get emotional, and I actually appreciated that. I wish Mary
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Speaker 2: would be more vulnerable. And then we have Christine obviously
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Speaker 2: visibly upset. I mean, she was one of the main
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Speaker 2: like mothers, like she was homeschooling all of these kids,
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Speaker 2: very involved in Garrison in all of the kids' lives.
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Speaker 2: Not that Mary wasn't, but you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: And then we have Janelle visibly upset and wrecked because
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Speaker 2: this is her child, her biological child. And then we
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Speaker 2: have scenes with Gabe, which I was very surprised that
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Speaker 2: we included Gabe in all of this because Gabe was
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Speaker 2: the one that found Garrison's body, and you can just
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Speaker 2: see in his eyes that he is forever changed. And
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Speaker 2: then we have a scene with like Maddie and Caleb
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Speaker 2: where she's talking about how the thing that has changed
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Speaker 2: her brain chemistry or would change your brain chemistry as
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Speaker 2: a person, is being a sibling and having to call
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Speaker 2: all of your other siblings and give the news that
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Speaker 2: one of your siblings has passed away. And I felt
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Speaker 2: that that was like very poignant that we have her scene.
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Speaker 2: And then we show Gabe like he's visibly changed his brain,
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Speaker 2: talk about brain chemistry being changed, seeing his brother dead
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Speaker 2: and finding him and kind of talking about it, and
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Speaker 2: I just, man, it was really emotional. It was really heavy.
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Speaker 1: It was and I was taking notes for this episode,
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Speaker 1: and I was just like, I don't really know what
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Speaker 1: to write down, because I just think we should talk
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Speaker 1: about some of the main themes that they discussed. Obviously
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Speaker 1: the huge impact to the family, and you know, we
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Speaker 1: did see Gabe. I think seeing Gabe was very emotional
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Speaker 1: for me, just because he's such a tenderhearted young man
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Speaker 1: and I think he was in particular very close with Garrison.
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Speaker 1: They had a unique bond, and so it was really
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Speaker 1: sweet and heartbreaking to have him talking about Garrison and
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Speaker 1: how Garrison was so empathetic and that he felt things
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Speaker 1: so deeply, and that he was also somebody who brought
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Speaker 1: peace into a situation and just made people feel good
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Speaker 1: about themselves. And I think he says something like, you know,
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Speaker 1: that's a real gentleman or something like that, that's the
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Speaker 1: mark of a real job. And you know, then we
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Speaker 1: have Christine talking about Garrison and hearing the news and
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Speaker 1: just some of the memories of Garrison. We see pictures
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Speaker 1: of him like playing with fire or not playing with fire.
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Speaker 1: But he loved to build fires, and he loved to
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Speaker 1: be out in the stars, and he loved to travel,
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Speaker 1: and he loved his family, you know, and he loved
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Speaker 1: these things in his life. We have Janelle also talking
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Speaker 1: very directly and frankly, which I appreciated, about Garrison's struggle
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Speaker 1: with alcohol, yes, and revealing something that we did not know,
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Speaker 1: which is that Garrison struggled also with anxiety and depression
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Speaker 1: and that I guess during COVID things got pretty acute.
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Speaker 1: And we know that during COVID like this is when
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Speaker 1: the family truly started to come apart, and so I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that affected Garrison in a certain kind of way.
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Speaker 1: And so he started in COVID to drink a little
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Speaker 1: bit more then he maybe should. And Janelle describes it
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Speaker 1: as he he would binge from time to time with
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Speaker 1: alcohol when he was trying to cope. And so on
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Speaker 1: the night that this happened, he was drinking. Maybe he
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Speaker 1: was binging, but he had been talking with Janelle. Ye.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like they talked a lot, you know, multiple
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Speaker 1: times a day. And Janelle's in contact with her kids.
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Speaker 1: She's talking to Maddie multiple times a day, like she
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Speaker 1: is really involved in that way, And so she had
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Speaker 1: been talking to him and he sounded like he wasn't
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Speaker 1: doing that well. It appears that everybody in the family
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Speaker 1: that cared. I don't know if I should say it
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Speaker 1: that way, but that was proactive in the relationships, is
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Speaker 1: what I mean. But everyone in the family, he was proactive,
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Speaker 1: knew that Garrison was in a season of struggle in
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Speaker 1: his life. So, you know, Janelle mentioned to Gabe and
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Speaker 1: to Hunter, hey, can you check on Garrison, Like would
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Speaker 1: you call him? Would you just let me know that
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Speaker 1: he's okay. She goes to bed that night and then
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Speaker 1: she gets the call from Gabe that he went over
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Speaker 1: there to check on Garrison and found him to be deceased.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently this drinking habit that Garrison had found
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Speaker 2: himself in was something where like he would have a
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Speaker 2: binge night and he might he would have gone ghost
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Speaker 2: a little bit, but then he would always like respond later,
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Speaker 2: like a few hours later when he may be sobered
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Speaker 2: up or in the morning or whatever. And so Janelle
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Speaker 2: recounts this as like, you know, I thought that he
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Speaker 2: would pull himself out of it. I thought that he
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Speaker 2: would be okay, and like we have a scene with
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Speaker 2: Christine where I mean, I pretty much the whole family
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Speaker 2: like knew Garrison was struggling, and knew Garrison was sad,
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Speaker 2: and that they gave him all of the support and
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Speaker 2: love that they could, and they wanted to be there
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Speaker 2: for him, and they all kind of thought that he
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Speaker 2: would pull out of it, or that he would get better,
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Speaker 2: or that maybe he would stop drinking. And then the
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Speaker 2: night that this happened, it was a complete and utter shock,
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Speaker 2: just like it was for all of us normies outside
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Speaker 2: of the family, you know that didn't know him personally
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Speaker 2: but watched him grow up on TV. Like, it was
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Speaker 2: a complete and utter shock. So it was interesting to
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Speaker 2: me to have them talk so frankly about this and
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Speaker 2: to shed more light onto the struggles that Garrison was having,
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Speaker 2: because when all of this happened last year, like a
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Speaker 2: lot of us were like, oh my god, Like I
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Speaker 2: had no idea because we didn't we didn't know. Why
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Speaker 2: would we, you know, why would we know what's going
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Speaker 2: on in somebody's internal, you know, space. But it just
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Speaker 2: made me really sad for Garrison and made me really
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Speaker 2: sad for his struggles and like alcohol is one of
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Speaker 2: those things that I mean, they call it a spirit
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Speaker 2: for a reason, like it can kind of take over you.
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Speaker 2: And it's just really unfortunate that all of this happened
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Speaker 2: and took Garrison from this world and from his family
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Speaker 2: and everything. And I don't I want to be very
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Speaker 2: careful with what I say during the rest of this episode,
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to put any kind of blame
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Speaker 2: on anyone in the family for Garrison's suicide. But I
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Speaker 2: had some issues with how Cody and Robin were reacting
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Speaker 2: to it, okay, because we have interstitials with Robin and
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Speaker 2: Cody talking about when they found out about Garrison's passing,
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Speaker 2: and in my opinion, I felt like Robin's were particularly insincere.
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Speaker 2: I don't think she I don't want to say she
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Speaker 2: didn't care, but like I just didn't see any tears,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's Robin Brown, Like we never really see
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Speaker 2: her cry. There were moments where I thought Cody was sincere,
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Speaker 2: and I mean, this is his son that he lost,
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Speaker 2: and he's like talking about how when he found out,
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Speaker 2: he was just in complete and utter shock, and he
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Speaker 2: talks about like going to the funeral home and like
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Speaker 2: just saying sorry, over and over again, like everybody in
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Speaker 2: the family, I guess, or like everybody around him, just
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Speaker 2: constantly saying I'm sorry. And I guess he was even
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Speaker 2: consoling some of his kids. Apparently it's what he said.
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Speaker 2: He was calling some of his children and consoling them.
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Speaker 1: Gwendolen came over.
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Speaker 2: Gwendolen, who was very troubled by this, as anybody would be.
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Speaker 2: And uh, Cody recounts like when he had like a
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Speaker 2: moment to himself, I guess, or like in his room,
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Speaker 2: and he the weight of this actually sat on him,
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Speaker 2: like he just wailed and was devastated. And I felt
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Speaker 2: that I felt like that was sincere. I feel like
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Speaker 2: any parent, no matter how flawed, would feel the devastating
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Speaker 2: loss of like losing their child. But near the end,
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Speaker 2: when he starts talking about his pilgrimage to bring Garrison's
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Speaker 2: body back to Wyoming, I just felt like it was
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Speaker 2: it was turning back into him and his wants and
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Speaker 2: his desires instead of reflecting on Garrison's life and reflecting
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Speaker 2: on how he wasn't really around allegedly the last few
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Speaker 2: years for Garrison. I don't know, what did you think
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Speaker 2: about it?
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Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to offer a counterpoint concerning Robin, because
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Speaker 1: I think at this point that Robin is very conscious
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Speaker 1: of any tear that she might cry, because she knows
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Speaker 1: that everybody watches and looks for the tears, and so
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Speaker 1: I would imagine she's probably even got some anxiety about
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Speaker 1: the level of emotion that she is able to demonstrate,
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Speaker 1: you know, And so I think she's so guarded. I
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Speaker 1: felt that she, like in her interstitials on the couch,
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Speaker 1: I felt that she was really buttoned up, almost as
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Speaker 1: if she was intimidated to be her actual self. But
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Speaker 1: that didn't mean to me that she wasn't feeling something.
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Speaker 1: I think she was. She doesn't feel safe. I hate
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Speaker 1: to say that, but she doesn't feel safe to show
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Speaker 1: the scope in the scale of what she's actually going
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Speaker 1: through in her process, because she'll be ridiculed for it.
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Speaker 1: People will pick it apart, people will call it disingenuous,
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Speaker 1: and so I can see how she would be appear
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Speaker 1: more cold in that way, Okay, So I just want
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Speaker 1: to offer that as a counterpoint. Secondarily, I thought when
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Speaker 1: she was talking with Cody out by the fire outside
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Speaker 1: of the mcmaonsion that she was probably more indicative of
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Speaker 1: who she is in this relationship, just like holding space
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Speaker 1: for Cody, witnessing what Cody was going through, and just
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Speaker 1: kind of being a help meet or a friend to him.
19:28
Speaker 1: I didn't mind Robin here. I would have loved to
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Speaker 1: see more from Robins, as I did from Mary, and
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Speaker 1: as I did from Janelle and from Christine. But she's
19:40
Speaker 1: just not that kind of person. And that could be
19:42
Speaker 1: because she's got something going on psychologically, you know, like
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Speaker 1: a pathology of some or she just didn't know how
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Speaker 1: to do that. As it concerns Cody, I I was
19:54
Speaker 1: surprised at the things that he admitted to I imagined
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Speaker 1: him at the funeral home, apologizing to his children that
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Speaker 1: were there. It sounds like that was a moment in
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Speaker 1: which he was confronted with what he has done and
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Speaker 1: this is the result of some of that behavior. And
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm writing the lightning of blame. I'm just
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about what he said though, right he's apologizing
20:20
Speaker 1: and as he's sitting out there with Robin and talking
20:23
Speaker 1: about all of the moments he never had and the
20:27
Speaker 1: what ifs and how people are like, don't get caught
20:30
Speaker 1: up in the what ifs, and he's like, no, I
20:31
Speaker 1: need to sit in the what ifs. I need to
20:33
Speaker 1: think about these things because my maybe I'm giving him
20:37
Speaker 1: a little bit too much grace here, but like he's
20:39
Speaker 1: sounds like he's saying, my behavior led to the absence
20:42
Speaker 1: of all these different experiences I could have had with Garrison.
20:46
Speaker 1: And he even references COVID and how you know, all
20:50
Speaker 1: of the problems and fighting that happened around COVID are
20:53
Speaker 1: so unimportant, and these are the reflections of someone who
20:57
Speaker 1: has just tragically lost somebody. These are the things that
21:00
Speaker 1: you literally do think about. And it felt to me
21:03
Speaker 1: that to the degree that he could, he was trying
21:06
Speaker 1: to sit with the ownership of his part in that.
21:10
Speaker 1: It felt to me that that, like and notice I said,
21:13
Speaker 1: to the degree that he can right right, I do
21:16
Speaker 1: think that he doesn't have the capacity for that compared
21:20
Speaker 1: to the rest of us or or a lot of
21:22
Speaker 1: other people. But like for him, it felt like he
21:24
Speaker 1: was in the process of that. And I'm sure he's
21:27
Speaker 1: probably also very conscious to the cameras and how many
21:30
Speaker 1: people hate him out here in these streets, but I
21:33
Speaker 1: don't know. I felt like he was actually he actually
21:36
Speaker 1: I saw like an actual person that I didn't hate yeah,
21:41
Speaker 1: a dad who lost his child. And when he was
21:44
Speaker 1: talking about taking Garrison home to Wyoming, like I felt
21:46
Speaker 1: that though, and yet it did become about his pilgrimage,
21:49
Speaker 1: and it did become about him and his process. But
21:54
Speaker 1: we're the ones left behind and we have to figure
21:56
Speaker 1: out that process. So there's something very legitimate and valid
21:58
Speaker 1: about that as well.
22:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like that was my thing with Cody is that,
22:02
Speaker 2: like I didn't hate him as much in this episode,
22:06
Speaker 2: and I thought that for the most part, his feelings
22:09
Speaker 2: were like genuine, and I don't want to. I also
22:12
Speaker 2: don't want to like pick apart people's grief processes because
22:15
Speaker 2: I think everybody grieves differently. And like with your point
22:18
Speaker 2: about Robin, you know, maybe you are right with her
22:21
Speaker 2: being buttoned up, but to me, it didn't feel like
22:25
Speaker 2: she was coming off cold because she was guarding herself.
22:30
Speaker 2: To me, it felt like she was still trying to
22:34
Speaker 2: portray some level of emotion to us to make us
22:36
Speaker 2: think that she cared more than she did. And that's
22:40
Speaker 2: kind of like my perspective on it. And like maybe
22:43
Speaker 2: I'm bitter because I don't like Robin, and I will
22:45
Speaker 2: cop to that, and like maybe I'm perceiving her reactions
22:49
Speaker 2: to be colder than what they actually are. And again,
22:51
Speaker 2: I don't want to like shit on people's grieving processes,
22:54
Speaker 2: because you know, not everybody cries, Not everybody expresses their
23:00
Speaker 2: their grief in a very open way. Sometimes it's always
23:03
Speaker 2: just behind closed doors, like nobody will see you cry,
23:06
Speaker 2: nobody will see you express this kind of stuff. With Cody,
23:11
Speaker 2: the thing that bothered me really was at the end
23:13
Speaker 2: when he was talking about the pilgrimage, because it became
23:16
Speaker 2: more about what he wanted. And this is the only
23:19
Speaker 2: thing that I wanted is just to bring my kid home.
23:21
Speaker 2: But I understand the sentiment with it, because he talked
23:25
Speaker 2: about the importance of bringing him home where they had
23:27
Speaker 2: family buried out there, and I think that that's completely
23:31
Speaker 2: fair and valid, and like of course he would want
23:33
Speaker 2: to bring his kid home. And I found the sentiment
23:36
Speaker 2: of that, And to your point about to the degree
23:39
Speaker 2: of Cody, what Cody can express of like his acknowledgment
23:44
Speaker 2: for his behavior or his regret for how things happened.
23:51
Speaker 2: I could see like a glimmer of that in him
23:54
Speaker 2: when he was talking about like what could have been
23:57
Speaker 2: and he thought that he had more time like I
23:59
Speaker 2: really felt that, like maybe we're giving him a lot
24:03
Speaker 2: of grace here too, Like maybe he feels like they
24:07
Speaker 2: could have worked things out eventually, like they could have
24:10
Speaker 2: had more time that they would and they would, and
24:12
Speaker 2: then now he doesn't, And he talked about that like
24:15
Speaker 2: there's no resolution, there's no reconciliation, like I don't get
24:19
Speaker 2: to say goodbye, And I think like underneath all of
24:22
Speaker 2: that is him being like I didn't even get to
24:24
Speaker 2: like say sorry, and I didn't even really get to
24:27
Speaker 2: communicate to him that I cared and that I love him.
24:30
Speaker 2: And I think Cody deep down loves his kids, but
24:34
Speaker 2: he is a he's a broken man, and he doesn't
24:36
Speaker 2: know how to initiate those relationships with his kids or
24:41
Speaker 2: like or not initiate, but what's the word maintain? He
24:45
Speaker 2: doesn't really know how to like reach out and nurture, yes,
24:51
Speaker 2: and be the bigger person and like be the mature
24:53
Speaker 2: parent in these kinds of situations, like he lets his
24:56
Speaker 2: petty grievances around the wives dictate his relationships with his kids.
25:00
Speaker 2: And you know, no parent is perfect. I'm sure we
25:04
Speaker 2: all can relate to that. We all come from our
25:07
Speaker 2: various backgrounds and stuff, and so I can have compassion
25:09
Speaker 2: for him for that, and I don't want to be
25:11
Speaker 2: too critical because he did just lose his kid, and
25:14
Speaker 2: I do believe that that rocked him. And we do
25:16
Speaker 2: even have a scene where he's in his workroom and
25:19
Speaker 2: you see this giant photo of Garrison like right in
25:22
Speaker 2: front of there in his workroom, and people on Reddit
25:24
Speaker 2: actually have sleuthed and that scene was most likely filmed
25:28
Speaker 2: in their new mcmanche oh. Really based on the view
25:32
Speaker 2: from the window and everything, it's a different scene. His
25:35
Speaker 2: hair is also thinner, so you can tell that it's
25:37
Speaker 2: like a newer scene.
25:38
Speaker 1: I didn't not feel about that, why because I don't
25:44
Speaker 1: know if this is the episode to talk about it.
25:49
Speaker 2: Did you feel like it was performative kind of?
25:51
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, I don't want to say it.
25:54
Speaker 1: I'll say it at another time. I wondered about it.
25:57
Speaker 1: But at the same time, especially if they're in their
26:00
Speaker 1: new house and he's going through the process of grieving,
26:03
Speaker 1: like this is what he wants to connect with and
26:05
Speaker 1: this is how he does it, It's almost like an
26:07
Speaker 1: alter of sorts. So I mean, I'm just going to
26:09
Speaker 1: leave it there and maybe the later time I feel
26:11
Speaker 1: more comfortable to talk more openly about that, But I
26:16
Speaker 1: felt for him as a parent. Yeah, and no parent
26:19
Speaker 1: wants to ever have to deal with that, of course not.
26:22
Speaker 1: And then we pan over to Janelle, who is in
26:24
Speaker 1: North Carolina visiting with her sister.
26:26
Speaker 2: This part got me. This is what made me cry.
26:29
Speaker 1: Carrie. Was that her name, who looks a lot like her. Yeah,
26:33
Speaker 1: And they're in the kitchen, and it's sometime in the summer,
26:38
Speaker 1: right after he passed, because they're talking about Savannah going
26:41
Speaker 1: to school in August or something, or somebody's going to
26:43
Speaker 1: do something in August. I forget. So it's pretty fresh
26:47
Speaker 1: and it's pretty new, and so her sister is there visiting.
26:50
Speaker 1: And I just really related to Janelle in this because
26:54
Speaker 1: I'm a lot like her emotionally, like how I regulate emotionally,
26:57
Speaker 1: like as soon as it kind of comes up, I like,
26:59
Speaker 1: take a moment, and I don't wanted to come up.
27:00
Speaker 1: I don't want to show that to anybody. I feel
27:02
Speaker 1: very vulnerable expressing my emotions in that way. So I
27:08
Speaker 1: just really could feel how much she was struggling. She's
27:12
Speaker 1: talking a lot about how important it is for her
27:14
Speaker 1: to stay busy and it's good that she's in North
27:16
Speaker 1: Carolina because her grandbaby's sit there and they've got the
27:18
Speaker 1: new farm, and they've got all these things that are
27:20
Speaker 1: going on, and she's got a new vision and she
27:21
Speaker 1: can work on that and in doing so doesn't have
27:25
Speaker 1: to focus and even fixate on Garrison, who she says,
27:28
Speaker 1: like sometimes she forgets that he's even dead, you know,
27:31
Speaker 1: like he'll she'll be living her life as if he's not,
27:33
Speaker 1: and then like come into the clarity of the epiphany
27:36
Speaker 1: that oh he is dead, and like that's a shock
27:39
Speaker 1: in that moment, like, oh my god, he's dead. Like
27:41
Speaker 1: I can't I can imagine because I've lived through similar things.
27:44
Speaker 1: But I really felt her in these scenes and with
27:49
Speaker 1: her talking in her interstitials just about everything. I just
27:53
Speaker 1: wanted to give her such a big hug. And I
27:55
Speaker 1: feel like as much as we laugh and as much
27:57
Speaker 1: as we take the piss out of these people, as
27:59
Speaker 1: much we get in their ass about stuff, like, at
28:02
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we are all connected because
28:06
Speaker 1: we care. A lot of us really actually do care,
28:08
Speaker 1: and a lot of us are mad because we care,
28:10
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of us are are here
28:13
Speaker 1: just because we still care. So I care about Janelle. Yeah,
28:16
Speaker 1: And I care about Christine and Marryan, and I care
28:19
Speaker 1: also about Cody. Yeah, I care about all of them.
28:23
Speaker 2: It's like I care about Robin.
28:24
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't like I care about
28:27
Speaker 1: the kids.
28:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like I would care more about Robin if
28:29
Speaker 2: she was more authentic and if she wasn't like always
28:32
Speaker 2: lying in every.
28:33
Speaker 1: Single I care about Robin's impact on the family.
28:35
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I care about that. And the scene with
28:38
Speaker 2: Janelle and her sister was just like so oh so
28:42
Speaker 2: sad to me because it's just like it's the silent
28:46
Speaker 2: acknowledgment that they're both feeling the loss, like they both
28:51
Speaker 2: like tear up at a particular point, and like Janelle's
28:54
Speaker 2: like just doing her best to keep it together and
28:57
Speaker 2: like keep it together on camera, and even for her
28:59
Speaker 2: sister because you know, she's having a hard time like
29:03
Speaker 2: being emotional, and she talks about like having to stay
29:06
Speaker 2: busy so that way she doesn't feel it. And I
29:08
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of us can relate to that.
29:10
Speaker 2: Like I'm like that too, Like I'm a pretty expressive person,
29:14
Speaker 2: but when it's like really hard emotions like that, I'm
29:18
Speaker 2: like that. I'm like I just have to keep busy
29:19
Speaker 2: because I don't want to. I don't want to feel
29:22
Speaker 2: it right now. I don't want to deal with it.
29:23
Speaker 2: So that scene was really hard emotionally for me, and
29:28
Speaker 2: just like I just felt them all. It was just
29:30
Speaker 2: really sad and I Then we had like a scene
29:33
Speaker 2: I don't remember what part it was at, but where
29:36
Speaker 2: Mary talked about when she got the news, she like
29:39
Speaker 2: immediately called up Janelle and was like, I'm coming over,
29:43
Speaker 2: I'm bringing food and I'm coming over. And that part
29:45
Speaker 2: got to me too. I'm like, man for all of
29:49
Speaker 2: Mary and Janelle's struggles, like with their relationship and how
29:53
Speaker 2: like Mary has been mean in the past, like she
29:56
Speaker 2: comes through for Janelle in this moment and is like
29:59
Speaker 2: their for her and just being supportive because this was
30:02
Speaker 2: her kid too, this was Christine's kid too, and it
30:05
Speaker 2: was just I don't know. After twenty three episodes of
30:09
Speaker 2: this season, I'm glad that we like finally talked about it.
30:14
Speaker 2: I'm glad we finally talked about Garrison. I'm glad that
30:17
Speaker 2: we got to see some like real emotion from the
30:20
Speaker 2: family because it just reminds all of us that they're
30:24
Speaker 2: real people. Yeah, And like even though they make fools
30:27
Speaker 2: out of themselves on TV all the fucking time. They're
30:30
Speaker 2: real people, and we all can relate to losing somebody
30:33
Speaker 2: that's important. We not everybody has an experience with suicide
30:38
Speaker 2: or a family member who has committed suicide, but like,
30:40
Speaker 2: we all know what it's like to lose somebody who
30:43
Speaker 2: means a lot to us. And so this was just
30:46
Speaker 2: a really heavy episode.
30:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a really heavy episode. Yep. Sorry,
30:53
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you know. On a personal note, my
30:58
Speaker 1: husband's father admitted suicide in twenty at the end of
31:04
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yep, and the same way that Garrison did.
31:09
Speaker 1: He's a Vietnam veteran and he had, you know, his
31:12
Speaker 1: struggles and issues. But like that phone call that Mary
31:17
Speaker 1: got is like the phone call that my husband got,
31:21
Speaker 1: and just like the waves of energy over her face
31:24
Speaker 1: and just like, yes, the shock of that moment. But
31:27
Speaker 1: it doesn't even have to be suicide. It's just the
31:31
Speaker 1: loss of somebody that you deeply, deeply love. And even
31:35
Speaker 1: in the healthiest of relationships, when you lose somebody that
31:37
Speaker 1: you love, you always wonder like, oh God, could I
31:40
Speaker 1: have shown them love more? Could I have made more time,
31:43
Speaker 1: or if I just took those calls.
31:44
Speaker 2: You know.
31:44
Speaker 1: It's just like all of the things you beat yourself
31:46
Speaker 1: up over when when they're gone, it's just like, that's
31:49
Speaker 1: how that's why it was important to do this. That's
31:53
Speaker 1: why I wish they would have done it a bit
31:56
Speaker 1: different ly, Yeah, so that we could have really had
31:59
Speaker 1: a moment of celeb of Garrison and also just a
32:02
Speaker 1: kind of a sacred space for us all to just
32:04
Speaker 1: feel that together wherever we are and relate it back
32:07
Speaker 1: to ourselves and also connected back to them. I just
32:10
Speaker 1: wish that it had been produced in a different way,
32:12
Speaker 1: But nonetheless I am grateful that we got what we
32:16
Speaker 1: got and that beloved young man, I mean, just such
32:19
Speaker 1: a good young man. And there's so many people in
32:21
Speaker 1: the world and you really just don't know what people
32:24
Speaker 1: are going through, and just even especially these folks on television.
32:29
Speaker 1: I remember, like when the vander Pump scandival was happening,
32:31
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, what Tom Sandival did was terrible,
32:35
Speaker 1: but like, I'm very worried about this person right now.
32:38
Speaker 1: And some of this it's intense on social media and
32:42
Speaker 1: like what people do and what people say, and like
32:45
Speaker 1: you just go up on Mary's Instagram right now when
32:48
Speaker 1: she posts, and just the people like comment after comment,
32:51
Speaker 1: just being mean and dragging them, and it's just like
32:53
Speaker 1: it's pretty terrible. Yeah, and so I definitely I felt
32:59
Speaker 1: this episode. I just feel like we should leave it
33:01
Speaker 1: right there, Like there's a lot of other things that
33:03
Speaker 1: we could pick apart and say and like a question,
33:05
Speaker 1: but like why it's not appropriate? Not right now, it's
33:08
Speaker 1: it's not appropriate, and so we don't want to do that,
33:10
Speaker 1: and we want to be respectful. And I realize we're
33:14
Speaker 1: very disrespectful generally all.
33:16
Speaker 2: The time here.
33:16
Speaker 1: We've heard it, but we're real people. I'm a mom,
33:18
Speaker 1: you're a daughter. You've lost folks in your family. I've
33:21
Speaker 1: lost folks in my family. You've probably lost folks in
33:24
Speaker 1: your family. And it's tough no matter what. Yeah, So
33:27
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