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AEW WrestleDream Fallout · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: 10, 9, ignition sequence start, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0,
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  Speaker 1: all engines running.
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  Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, you know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 2: Ignition with the AEW Fan Hub podcast team. We're live
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  Speaker 2: on X... YouTube and Facebook tonight. We've got a lot
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. This is our AEW WrestleDream Fallout show.
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  Speaker 2: This is Kelson and just got a couple brief announcements
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  Speaker 2: to make before we get started with the show. First
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: announcement is kind of interesting. We're going to be doing
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  Speaker 2: a bonus episode of Ignition on November 10th. That's Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: November 10th. We'll be joined by Brad Gilmore. He's the
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  Speaker 2: co-host of the Hall of Fame with Booker T and
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  Speaker 2: Brad Gilmore. If you're not familiar with that podcast, you
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  Speaker 2: can actually go to Talk Is Jericho. He was actually
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  Speaker 2: a guest on Talk Is Jericho today. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: interested in knowing more about who Brad Gilmore is, if
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  Speaker 2: you're not familiar with him, go ahead and tune in
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  Speaker 2: to Talk Is Jericho and you'll find out more about him.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, AEW Dynamite is tomorrow night, and our friends
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  Speaker 2: over at the Everything Pro Wrestling podcast will be doing
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  Speaker 2: their AEW Dynamite review. That's at EPW Show on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Great show. You'll have a lot of fun, I promise.
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  Speaker 2: You will have a lot of fun on that show.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, tomorrow night during Dynamite, We'll be doing our
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  Speaker 2: AEW Dynamite live chat on the AEW Fan Hub subreddit.
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  Speaker 2: The chat box is right at the top of the subreddit.
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  Speaker 2: Just go to AEW Fan Hub, and you'll be right
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  Speaker 2: there with us talking about AEW Dynamite as it happens.
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  Speaker 2: It's always a lot of fun. Well, let's get right
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  Speaker 2: into the AEW WrestleDream Fallout show. Barry was at the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask everybody... what their overall impressions of
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  Speaker 2: the show is. So prepare yourselves for a five-star rating, four-star, three-star, two-star, one-star,
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  Speaker 2: one being the worst, five being the highest, of course.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to go to Barry now and see
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  Speaker 2: what his personal experience was at AEW WrestleDream.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is my seventh AEW show and my
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  Speaker 3: sixth at Edition Financial Arena. Three of those were pay-per-views.
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  Speaker 3: So I did Revolution, I think 2022, which whatever won
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  Speaker 3: at the Punk and MJF Dog Collar match. I did
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  Speaker 3: World's End 2024 and then WrestleDream this year. And I
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  Speaker 3: came into this show based on the build, expecting... You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's a B-show, right? I don't think anybody would argue
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  Speaker 3: with that. WrestleDream's a B-show. It's not one of the
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  Speaker 3: big ones. And I was expecting... AEW always does a
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  Speaker 3: good pay-per-view, and I'm sure they were going to be
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  Speaker 3: fun matches. But I walked away really, really pleasantly surprised,
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  Speaker 3: giving it probably a 4.5 out of 5 stars. There
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a bad match on the show I can think of.
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  Speaker 3: The women's four-way... Didn't have a whole lot of heat,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think anybody could say it was a
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  Speaker 3: bad match. People just weren't super familiar with two of
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  Speaker 3: the four performers. From a experience standpoint, you know, again,
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  Speaker 3: it was my sixth show at Edition Financial, and this
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  Speaker 3: was by far the loudest show that I'd been at.
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  Speaker 3: The audio system, I know some people were complaining they
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  Speaker 3: had trouble hearing the announcers over some of it. It
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  Speaker 3: was incredibly loud. And I have sat generally in the
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  Speaker 3: same area, right on the camera, either on floor seats
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  Speaker 3: or about 10 rows up, which is where I was today,
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  Speaker 3: somewhere in between for each show. And this was by
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  Speaker 3: far the loudest, but I, I may think, or I
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  Speaker 3: may argue that this was the hottest crowd I'd been
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  Speaker 3: at for an AEW show there as well. Probably hotter
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  Speaker 3: than the revolution show I was at in 2022. It was,
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  Speaker 3: it was just a great show. Everybody was super excited
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  Speaker 3: to be there. Super hot. We wanted to see some
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  Speaker 3: good wrestling and, and we got it. And yeah, there
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  Speaker 3: were some absolute bangers. I couldn't have been happier to
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  Speaker 3: see perfect or I'm sorry, in person. And from an
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  Speaker 3: in-person experience, it just, it just, it's live wrestling's great.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think if you take people who say
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  Speaker 3: they're not wrestling fans to a good show live, they
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  Speaker 3: may not be a regular viewer, but they're going to
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  Speaker 3: walk away saying, yeah, no, I did enjoy that. And
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  Speaker 3: it was a blast, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's a funny that you said that because my daughter
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  Speaker 2: is going to, and my son-in-law are going to, um
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  Speaker 2: full gear uh on november 14th yeah and they're taking
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  Speaker 2: my two of my grandchildren with them and they have
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  Speaker 2: never really watched wrestling at all i don't think they've
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  Speaker 2: ever watched wrestling at all and even though they know
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  Speaker 2: they're going to full gear they still haven't watched wrestling
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  Speaker 2: so they're going in completely blind So maybe what you
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  Speaker 2: say may come to fruition. Before I get to everybody else, though, Barry,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to the chat. And Flyboy Rex
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  Speaker 2: is here, our good friend. Let's go, he says. Salute
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  Speaker 2: to all my sickos. And little Freddy Fringers, I read this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to read this out loud. It's okay. Here
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  Speaker 2: we go. Do you think the people in charge will
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  Speaker 2: ever flip the ring upside down and have a match
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  Speaker 2: inside of it? That is one of the strangest comments
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  Speaker 2: we have ever gotten on this, Freddie. Congratulations. I wish
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  Speaker 2: I could give awards. I have no answer to that.
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  Speaker 3: How do you bump in a ring like that?
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  Speaker 2: The inverted ring.
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  Speaker 3: How do you bump?
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  Speaker 2: You're underneath it, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: You're in the springs. Like, I don't know how that works.
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  Speaker 2: In the weeds, so to speak. All right, then. Well,
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  Speaker 2: let's go to the rest of the podcast team and
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  Speaker 2: see what they have to say about this. AEW Wrestle Dream.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of stars? You gave it four and a half,
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  Speaker 2: didn't you, Barry?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say four and a quarter, four and a half, somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: In that range. Okay. Who wants to go next? Chris,
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  Speaker 2: let's go to you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd put it in the four to four and
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  Speaker 4: a half star range. I agree. There was not a
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  Speaker 4: bad match on the card. There were some absolutely fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that tag team match was Young Bucks versus
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  Speaker 4: Fletch Knights.
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  Speaker 3: It was bonkers.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it was bonkers in the best of ways.
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  Speaker 4: That was match of the night, I think, for me.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoyed the Clockwork Carnage match.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about Clockwork Carnage, giving a
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  Speaker 2: review of that match specifically, so let's not go too
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  Speaker 2: much into that.
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  Speaker 3: I've got some interesting in-person observations that I don't think
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  Speaker 3: people watching live would get that I want to share, too,
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  Speaker 3: specifically on that, Kelson, so it's good to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go to, you know what? Jess, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to come in last this week. Val, let's go
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  Speaker 2: to you.
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  Speaker 5: It was pretty good, actually. You know, with everything that
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  Speaker 5: happened in the past month, I thought that the buildup
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  Speaker 5: was like so-so. And I was a little bit worried
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  Speaker 5: about it, but I enjoyed it very, very much. And
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  Speaker 5: I agree with Chris on the match of the night
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  Speaker 5: was the tag team. It was fantastic.
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  Speaker 6: The crowd was hot.
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  Speaker 5: I was surprised, though, that the women's match started the show,
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  Speaker 5: but I think it was great. But overall, I loved it.
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  Speaker 5: So four to four and a half for me.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jess, you're up. Let's hear what you have
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  Speaker 2: to say.
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  Speaker 4: A four.
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  Speaker 6: I admit to being, and maybe this is just me
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  Speaker 6: being dope, and I should have seen this coming, but
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  Speaker 6: I was really, really, really wanting Tecla to beat Mercedes.
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  Speaker 6: didn't happen um but match of the night for me
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  Speaker 6: i would have to say uh john moxley versus dunk
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  Speaker 6: zilla the storytelling in that match was excellent just top
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  Speaker 6: shelf storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: You know for me look it's really difficult to give
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  Speaker 2: a grade on this because with pax unfortunate passing and
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  Speaker 2: then you know, Tony Khan said specifically that he did
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  Speaker 2: not do any story during the PAC tribute show, tribute
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  Speaker 2: shows basically, because PAC, the fans, the wrestlers, everybody deserved
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  Speaker 2: a true tribute to PAC. And I appreciated that, but
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  Speaker 2: it did hurt the, the buildup to the pay-per-view. Um,
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  Speaker 2: of course there was no story in, in, uh, the
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  Speaker 2: France thing. The, uh, grand slam france and then the
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  Speaker 2: qualifying matches for the clockwork carnage were in my opinion
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  Speaker 2: a complete waste of time because it was absolutely nothing
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  Speaker 2: unpredictable happened in that i give this uh pay-per-view a
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  Speaker 2: three i i enjoyed parts of it and but parts
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  Speaker 2: of it were mid and it was right in the
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  Speaker 2: middle for me so three not necessarily a bad pay-per-view
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  Speaker 2: Just nothing that really stood out for me. You know,
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  Speaker 2: just everything's whatever your preference is. But go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: I was going to say, I think everybody knew that
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  Speaker 6: the story. going in was hampered through circumstances beyond anybody's control.
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  Speaker 6: So I think everybody just made the most of what
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  Speaker 6: they could and just cooked in the ring whenever possible
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  Speaker 6: to make up for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, it's to each their own because... In
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, you loved the Jon Moxley and Dunk Zilla match.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was awful. I couldn't wait for it
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  Speaker 2: to be over. I thought it was awful. There was
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  Speaker 2: very little good about it. You know, that's just the
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  Speaker 2: way I am. You're different. Barry's different. Whatever. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: crapping on the show at all. It's just that maybe
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't in the right mindset to watch the show.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you have one of those days, too. So
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  Speaker 2: that's quite a possibility.
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  Speaker 3: Kelsey, how much do you think that is because how
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  Speaker 3: we pause for a second, how much do you think
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  Speaker 3: the build or the lack of through for the exact
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  Speaker 3: same things you mentioned contributed to the mindset when you
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  Speaker 3: observed the show? Cause I think that's a really good
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  Speaker 3: point you bring in. You can, when we view these,
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  Speaker 3: we want certain anticipations to pay off. And if those
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  Speaker 3: anticipations aren't there, It doesn't matter how objectively good the
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  Speaker 3: wrestling is. That emotional component doesn't hit, which impacts your
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  Speaker 3: enjoyment of a show. So how much do you think
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  Speaker 3: that played in here for you?
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  Speaker 2: For me, not really that much, other than I was
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  Speaker 2: really ticked off about the main event and the qualifiers.
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  Speaker 2: Because I thought, again, as I said earlier, I thought
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  Speaker 2: they were a complete waste of time. I really did.
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  Speaker 2: I felt insulted, to be honest with you. I understand
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  Speaker 2: why they did it. I understand why Tony Khan booked
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  Speaker 2: it that way because it was something that, how do
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  Speaker 2: I put this? It's something that really didn't need too
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  Speaker 2: much of a build. The main event didn't need too
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  Speaker 2: much of a build. The qualifiers acted as a build.
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  Speaker 2: Some people liked the qualifiers. I personally did not like
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  Speaker 2: any of them because every single one of them were predictable.
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  Speaker 2: There was no surprises at all. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 2: just a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but outside of the main event, though, because it's
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  Speaker 3: a big card. So what, you know, that's one match.
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  Speaker 3: So what?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'll give you, again, there was, what, there
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  Speaker 2: was eight matches on the main card? I've already said,
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  Speaker 2: I thought Jon Moxley and Mark Davis, Dunkzilla is the
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  Speaker 2: dumbest name I've ever heard in my life, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: That match was awful, right? Nick Wayne and.
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  Speaker 3: No, not right. I mean, you can think it was awful,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think you can say right.
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  Speaker 2: That's my opinion. Nick Wayne and Chris Jericho was a
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  Speaker 2: filler match for all filler matches, and I didn't appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was boring. You know, to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, the Tekla and Mercedes-Benz match, I was disappointed
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  Speaker 2: in it because it just seemed to end all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden. It just seemed to end. There was no,
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  Speaker 2: it was going along and then boom, it was over.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what happened? You know, it was just,
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  Speaker 2: it was just weird for me. Like four to matches
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  Speaker 2: out of the eight were not enjoyable to me. And
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  Speaker 2: therefore it's a three, you know? But anyway, let's move on.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that main event. I want to hear
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  Speaker 2: your guys' opinions about, oh crap, I put the wrong
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  Speaker 2: graphic up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you're going to get a copyright strike for that graphic, mister.
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  Speaker 2: I tell you what. Okay. There we go.
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  Speaker 3: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: Clockwork. I almost said Clockwork Orange anyway. Clockwork Carnage, the
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  Speaker 2: main event. Again, I understand why they did this. would
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  Speaker 2: not be my first. I'll say this before everybody gets
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  Speaker 2: their opinion. In no way, shape, or form should this
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  Speaker 2: match have been the main event. That's my opinion, but
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to hear what you guys have to think.
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  Speaker 6: I like Raven's Clockwork Orange House of Fun better. It
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  Speaker 6: was fun. It was fun. I have to tip the
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  Speaker 6: hat to AEW to actually trying something new and trying
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  Speaker 6: to invent their own new stipulation type of match. Kind
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  Speaker 6: of reminds me of back in the day when TNA
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  Speaker 6: invented the King of the Mountain match.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I want everybody else to talk before I give some
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  Speaker 3: in-person perspectives.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. Val or Chris?
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  Speaker 4: I like the match overall. I think there's probably some
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  Speaker 4: ways it can be enhanced. I don't know who mentioned it.
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  Speaker 2: I saw it.
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  Speaker 4: It was either on the Reddit or the Discord. Having it, everyone,
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  Speaker 4: you know, to timed entrances, but you don't start the
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Iron Man deal until you're down to four. Because, like
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  Speaker 4: someone said, six wrestlers in that was a lot, and
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: it was, I don't like that Speedball and Tecesta were
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  Speaker 4: the two eliminated. I honestly think, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to say that Cope should have been the first
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  Speaker 4: one eliminated, too. I know that's not going to be
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  Speaker 4: a popular sentiment, but that's what I feel like. And
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  Speaker 4: I think, I don't know who you could have eliminated
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  Speaker 4: instead of Speedball. It just, there were a lot of
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  Speaker 4: things I liked about it, but there were enough things
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like where it gets like three and a
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  Speaker 4: half from me. Like it was solid. I liked that
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  Speaker 4: they did something new. I think they need to find
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  Speaker 4: some tweaks to improve.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Val?
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  Speaker 5: I enjoyed it, but I agree there's need to be
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of twerps to improve on it.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, twerks? Everyone needs to twerk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll ask them to not twerk.
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  Speaker 6: At the top of the stage until.
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  Speaker 2: Their time has come. I think you meant tweaks there, Val.
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  Speaker 4: Tweaks, not twerks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: That's just how they roll in Quebec.
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  Speaker 5: I watched it like Sunday morning because it was very,
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  Speaker 5: very late for me. It was like 11.30. So I
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  Speaker 5: watched it and the end of it kind of threw
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  Speaker 5: me off because it was like three seconds and Osprey
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  Speaker 5: pinned Cope and then one, two, three. And I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: that's it.
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  Speaker 3: That's done.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I was a little bit surprised by
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  Speaker 5: the end of it. So that's why it threw me
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  Speaker 5: off a little bit. But I enjoyed the idea of it.
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  Speaker 5: Not like every pay-per-view, but at least once a year
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  Speaker 5: to have that type of match, just like the anarchy
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  Speaker 5: in the arena type of thing. So that would be
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  Speaker 5: something to consider, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Barry, tell us your in-person experience.
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  Speaker 3: So I got a couple perspectives here. So feedback on
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: this match is pretty similar to the first time they
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: did the Casino Battle Royal. And I think it's justified.
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  Speaker 3: I agree that this probably shouldn't be a main event,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: although I'm okay with it being a main event this
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: year because they had it for the title. I think
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: going forward, this should be an annual thing at WrestleDream,
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  Speaker 3: but it should be for a title shot at Full Gear.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that would... make more sense then that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't need to be the main event just like the
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  Speaker 3: royal rumble isn't the main event of the royal rumble
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  Speaker 3: um in person the match i think was more fun
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  Speaker 3: than possibly watching it at home You had the excitement
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  Speaker 3: of who's coming in next. And I timed the entrances.
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  Speaker 3: They varied between two minutes and 15 seconds and like 345.
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  Speaker 3: Most people were very close to three o'clock, but not
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: three o'clock, three minutes. But some came in sooner. Some
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  Speaker 3: came in later. I'm assuming that was based on them
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  Speaker 3: waiting for whatever spots were supposed to occur before the queues. But, um,
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  Speaker 3: last week we talked about how, and this is coming off,
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  Speaker 3: Chris said that eight people for the scoring phase was
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  Speaker 3: too much. We figured there'd be eliminations. I think a
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  Speaker 3: couple of us, myself figured it was going to be
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  Speaker 3: Okada to catch that because of their storyline. It makes
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  Speaker 3: sense for one of them to be delivered, eliminated. That
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  Speaker 3: was the case. Uh, it was a question of who else, uh,
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  Speaker 3: around us. A lot of people thought it was going
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  Speaker 3: to be a ricochet. I thought it was probably going
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  Speaker 3: to be speedball and it was, I think six people
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  Speaker 3: was fine for the scoring rounds. when that scoring round occurred,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: having the totals up on, and I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: this was presented on TV. Cause I haven't seen it yet,
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  Speaker 3: but on the big screen above the stage, they had
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: who was in lead, like who had scored points and
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: everybody around us constantly was taught who's up, who's down,
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  Speaker 3: who's got a blah, blah, blah, like very interactive in
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the crowd. We were constantly looking at who was up,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: who was down, who needed to tie up and to it,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: T everybody around us assumed it was going to go
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: to overtime because isn't that always the case in Ironman
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: matches like it always goes to overtime right sudden death.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: So when the finish happened part of me wonders if
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that was Tony and Will and whoever produced the match
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know kind of swerving the crowd assuming it
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: would go to overtime. overtime and maybe saving that. But
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I very much like that Takeshita was eliminated because it
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: established right out of the gate. The next time they
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: do this, big stars can and will be eliminated before
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: the scoring round. Whether they tweak it at all so
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: that there's less people in the scoring round, I don't know.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I think it was fine with the six people. If
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: they change it and it's four, I'm okay with that too.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: You know, they can play with it a little bit.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: But by and large, I think this match has a
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: lot of potential. I liked that there were two phases
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: to the match. I really liked the scoring phase. In person,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: the fans, we really enjoyed it. We really liked following
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: along who was up and who was down. A lot
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: of interaction between us and the stands trying to keep track.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And in general, I think for a V show, this
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: is the type of show that needs a gimmick match
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: like that. And I think you can really play with it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm looking forward to what they do with it
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: next year.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the thing with me, okay, I have
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: a few things to say here. First of all, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: was not surprised at all that Mike Bailey was the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: first eliminated. I think we all kind of expected that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: When I say we all, the people that I was
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: talking to. The second thing is, there was two things
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that surprised me in this match. One was that D'Caster
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was eliminated second. And the other was, as you said, Barry,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that it didn't go into overtime.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Now, the reasons why I thought this match needed a
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: little bit more tweaking is, as it is with all
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: multi-man matches, and you guys know, if you've been paying
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: attention to what I say during the podcast, I do
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: not like multi-man matches at all. Period. And this was
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a multi-man match. And basically what I saw was a
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of standing around doing nothing. You know, a
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: couple people, maybe three, were in the ring. The other
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: three in the scoring segment were doing nothing. Absolutely nothing
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: for no reason. They didn't sell that well. The other
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: thing that I will say that I did not really
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: like about this match is pretty much everybody knew that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Will Ospreay was going to win, so what was the point?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: This was a glorified exhibition match. We're going to talk
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: about Will Ospreay and what's next for him, but I
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: think this hurt Will Ospreay's run more than it can help.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's your opinion.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, but the other thing is one of the things
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: that during our live chat, it was once it got
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: into the elimination round, I personally thought there were way
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: too many pins. These are the creme de la creme.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: They were pinning each other like crazy. There was like, what,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: seven or eight pins during that 15-minute round? But one
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of the things, that was said a lot was that
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Iron Man section, well, it shouldn't have been called an
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Iron Man section because people in the chat were saying,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: quite a bit of them were saying, this should not
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: be 15 minutes, it should be five minutes. And that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: told me people were just waiting for this to be over.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: You know, it may be, for Barry, it may be
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: translated well live. On TV, for me, it flopped badly.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: And... And it's funny because I saw some people say, well,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the scoring round should have been longer. And I actually
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: think 15 minutes or 10 minutes is probably appropriate, specifically
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: for the reason you stated. When you've got four plus
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: people out there, the longer it runs, the more dead
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: time you have for them to figure out what to
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: be doing outside of the ring. And if they like
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: a 20 or 25 minute scoring period, there'd just be
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: too much dead time. So I thought 15 was pretty close.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe 10 minutes would make more sense.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: But I agree with you on that. Yeah. You, the
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: other thing too, is for, I saw some interesting conversations.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I was on the F4W online message board and we
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: were talking about this match a lot. And some folks were,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: we were talking about like, when you're producing this match,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: how do you produce the pins?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Because you got top guys in there and we all
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: know how much kicking out occurs in a W. So what,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: what do you like, how do you produce this? And
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: one of the takes that I thought was really interesting
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: and I hadn't considered, especially when I was, I was
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: there is when your win is on the line mentally.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: And I, and I thought this was pretty grounded in reality.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Like you're going to fight to your death to avoid
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: being pinned, but, if you take a finisher and a
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: match where you can, you can eat a pin and
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really impact your ability unless you really get
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: into the inside baseball metrics and stuff. And they're all
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: in their heads keeping track. And in 15 minutes, I just,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I don't realistically think that's the case. You're going to
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: give up a pen just so you can, you can
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: roll on and try to attack again. So like, I
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: wasn't too upset with people eating pins. I thought for
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: me from a production standpoint, how they produce the match,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: There were too many pins early. There was about four
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: or five minutes where there weren't any pins, and then
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: there was a flurry at the end. Had they paced
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: some of those and built them a little bit more,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I think it would have made a little more sense.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I understand the Osprey and Adam Copeland stuff. And to
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: your point, Chris, Copeland wasn't supposed to even be in
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: the match. It was just because J.Y. got hurt. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: so they've kind of hooked that into his storyline for retirement,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and they're setting something up. And I think... That also
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: impacted kind of how they had to produce the match
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: and not in a good way, Kelson, kind of to
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: your point. It impacted how they had to put the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: finish together to sort of set up that match that
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: we know is coming down the line. But I would
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: have had the pins be a little more even through
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: that scoring period so there wasn't the big flurry at
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the beginning and the big flurry at the end. But,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: you know, you got to book what you got to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: book for what you're planning down the line. So it
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: is what it is.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: How many pins did Ospreay get to win? Was it three?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Three, yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And then there was two wrestlers that had two. And
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: then I think... I think only one didn't have many.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And there was one that had zero. That's way too
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: many pins. For the caliber of talent that was in
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the ring, that's just way too many pins. I'm sorry,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: it just was.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: We'll see what they do next time with it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I want to move on to... talking about Will Osprey
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and what's next for Will Osprey. Look, one way you
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: can look at it, and it's not really a justified way,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: but there are going to be people that look at
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: it this way. Will Osprey just beat or survived seven
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of the top contenders for the title. We know that
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Adam Copeland is going to probably get a title shot.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Whether Will Ospreay is the champion when he gets a
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: title shot, that remains to be seen. We know that
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Andrade Alidolo is going to have a title shot. So
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: that remains to be seen. FIFO is reporting that MJF's
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: return is imminent, and he's going to have a title shot.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And they actually said that they believe that MJF is
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: going to win the title off of Will Ospreay. If
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: they know anything, or if that's just speculation, He did say,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Deshaun Ross Sapp said that this was non-aggregatable. So I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: believe that's just his opinion, which I respect his opinion.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's, you know, opinions are that way. But
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: looking at Will Ospreay, if I'm not mistaken, after the pay-per-view,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Will Ospreay and Adam Copeland met face-to-face backstage, you know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: and it was filmed, and they're not doing Ospreay and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Copeland soon. from what I understand. See you down the
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: line was what was said. To me, that means maybe
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: early next year. Yeah, something like that. So, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Copeland's retiring in 2027.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: 2027 is 365 days long. He didn't say if he
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: was retiring in early, mid, or late 2027.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: He just said he was retiring in 2027. So, we
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: will see when that happens, but What's next for Oxford?
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: I need to correct you on one thing. MJF is
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: the champion right now.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, anybody that kicks out of the one-week
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: at Angel is the champion. Plain and simple.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Kelson, Kelson, Kelson, I don't love you now.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: You never loved me. You just liked me for my twerking.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: I have been imagining Samoa Joe twerking for the past
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: 10 minutes.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: It's a full moon, man.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I just want to get in there.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: It's in my head, and now it's in all your heads, too.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: You're welcome. You just want to get in there, Barry?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: What the hell is going on in this podcast?
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: It's like two giant.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Two big hams fighting under a blanket, just going in.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about it. Thank you, Barry.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: You ever see, what was the line in Steel Magnolias?
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Like two pigs fighting under a blanket when they're at
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: somebody's wedding. And I think it was Olympia Dukakis says that. Yeah, anyway.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Well, that bothers me that you actually watch Steel Magnolias. Why?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: It's a great film.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: It's a really good movie.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Fantastic actresses. Get over yourself. Uh-huh.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Chick-fil-A.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, so Will Ospreay's next opponent. Make sure you sit
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: on track, Chris. You know it's bad when I'm the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: one trying to get us back on track. Who pinned
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: him during the match? Like, didn't Garvey got a pin
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: on him, right?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I forgot Darby was in the match.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Was it Darby and Okada? I feel like Okada's next. No,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: he just did Okada, didn't he?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: No. I'm 98% sure Darby got a pin on him.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I can't remember if anyone else did.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Joe was the other one, wasn't he? Wasn't it Joe?
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I mean, there. There's two challengers right off
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: the bat because you go with the idea of, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: you pin a champion, you should get a title match.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I have to disagree with you, Chris, because everybody was pitting.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: There was like eight or nine pins in that 15-minute overtime.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm thinking if you had spread out the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: pins a little bit more and had fewer of them,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: then what you're saying may have credence, but I don't
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: think it does because there was just pins all over
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the place.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they pinned the champ, though.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: And you can also use that for people challenging Okada
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and Darby. you know, people pin them as well.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: First, let me ask you a question. This is an
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: honest question. A lot of those people in that match
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: was like, if I'm not mistaken, you had Darby, the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: TMT champion, right? Yeah. Who else had belts? Darby? Okada
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and Ospreay. And Ospreay. Do you really want Okada or
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Darby with a belt to challenge somebody else with a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: belt right now?
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: It's not ideal for me, but, I mean, Darby is
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: the only other champion that got a pin on Ostra.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure the people who got pins on Okada
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: were not Darby or Ostra, and the people who got
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: pins on Darby were not Okada or Ostra. So in
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: that situation, it's really only Darby challenging Ostra. That is
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: a deal you can do for the.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Halloween Dynamite coming up.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or Blood and Guts or something. I think Joe's
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the next pay-per-view challenger for Will as a former champ.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I agree with that. Walking out of the show, that's
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: who most of us in the crowd thought was who
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: they were setting up for Will. And if I'm booking it,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: he makes the most sense as a challenger. I think Okada,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: DeKeshita are going to keep going, which is why they
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: got interacted. But when I left, I thought, uh, Joe, um,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: maybe Copeland down the line. I, uh, Kelson, did you
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: say it was Sean Ross Sapp who said he thinks, um,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: just conjecture on his part. He thinks MJF still want
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: to take the belt off.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I think eventually is, I think eventually that's who takes
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the belt off well too. And then that's, and then, um,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Andrade catches in at some point. I think that's when
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Andrade gets the belt off MJF. That's really long-term looking.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, Sean Ross Sapp said that MJF
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: will take the belt off of Ospreay. Andrade will challenge
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: and lose at Monterey against MJF. And then Ospreay will
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: get the belt back from MJF. I think that's what
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: he said. I'm pretty sure that's what he said.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I'll say Joe versus Ospreay sounds like a good full-gear
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: world title match.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be fun. Throwing this back, too, because in
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: my opinion, and I think historically, and correct me if
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong here, if anybody's an expert on stats, the
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: babyfaces traditionally only get an AEW, like, a three-ish month run.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's held it for much longer than that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Not really.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, most of the good stuff is, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: as a fan, it's the chase that's most fun anyways. So,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Will beating... Joe and then dropping it at some point
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: to MJF right afterwards, I think lines up with how
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: they traditionally structure these title runs for baby faces anyways.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: So I think that that probably lines up pretty good.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Like Sean's conjecture there and just guessing is pretty standard
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: to Tony's booking for this type of stuff anyways.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I think I'm sensing a little, maybe it's just me,
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: but I'm sensing a little bit of a formula forming
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: and I should preface. This is not a bad thing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: just because it's a formula that I can a pattern
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: that I can see doesn't mean it's a bad thing
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: they're doing but there needs to be a heel champion
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: by the big show All Out because at All Out
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: is when basically the next year's face protagonist wins the title.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Let me interrupt you All Out is next.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: September All In I mean sorry.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: So next July So yeah, next year.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: Because year before last, it was Adam Page, and this
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: year it was Will.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: So a.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Heel holds the belt, or somebody playing the heel, in
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Kenny's case. And basically the top face will win the
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: belt at All In, and basically be the... protagonist of
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: sorts for the year right okay yeah am i explaining
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: this well is it are you.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Well the only thing that can happen it doesn't it
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it doesn't at the big show it doesn't necessarily we
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: don't know where all in is next year okay but
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: let's just say that it's at long let's just say
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: hypothetically it's in somewhere like long island it's going to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: be mjf and he's going to win because it's a
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: homer title you know it all ends a homer title
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: win you know there's no there's no offense or buts.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: About well in that case do you say that will
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: hold that will hold it for that long no.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: No again i kind of agree with sean ross sap
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that he may get it back or he i do
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: believe he will get it back but he's going to
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: lose it and there's going to be but from the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: time he loses that there's going to be one or
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: two champions before will gets it back.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah and and i just i understand what you're saying
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: there and i don't I'm in a line that when
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: the baby face wins, it's gotta be a big emotional payoff.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Like hanger last year was a very long storyline to
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: finally write the wrong that John Moxley had done to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: that title. And then this year's build was will getting
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: his crown in his hometown. But like going back to
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the first all in, It was MJF versus Adam Cole,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: and that was Babyface versus Babyface. There was no real
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: payoff there, and MJF retained. So it doesn't have to
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: be that way. Go ahead.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: But the only thing about that, Barry, is that people,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: even though it was Babyface against Babyface, people were kind
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: of expecting a turn by one or one of them.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: But it didn't happen.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It didn't happen. But just having that expectation was good.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: But to the point, though, that Jess was making is–
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Part of the payoffs that we're used to in pro
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: wrestling as fans is when the babyface is triumphant over
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the bad guy.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Right. The big show.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: At the big show. Like, and that was one of
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the things that got people so upset at WrestleMania. What
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: was it?
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: 41.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: When Cody didn't finish the style, Roman won again, you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: the bad guy won and everybody, this isn't what's supposed
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to happen. We've been trained, you know, and then the
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: next year it happened. So like a lot of that
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: is just decades of, of audience training for pro wrestling booking. And, and,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: More often than not, it happens because we want that
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: emotional payoff. It's not necessarily the person winning, but we
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: want that emotional payoff. We've been on that journey. We
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: want to see good triumph over evil. But it doesn't
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: have to be that way every time. You can book
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: those main events differently. And the first all-in is a
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: prime example of how you can do that. But it
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be that way. if that's not the
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: story they want to lead to, that's okay too. You know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: it doesn't need to be a big good versus evil triumph,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: but you need, the key is you need to be invested.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And at that point for the first all in, we
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: were invested in the MJF Adam Cole storyline to your point, Kelson,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: many of us thought there would be a swerve. It
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: came later, but we saw two people journey together and
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: pay off the, performing their dreams in front of the
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: biggest audience of all time for pro wrestling and i
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: thought that was a good story too so there's a
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: couple different ways you can approach it and i know
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: i'm way off topic kelson i'm sorry i went in
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: a big tangent here but but just perk some ideas
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and i think it's a good observation in general just.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Go ahead jess i.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: Was saying to your to your point real quick mary
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: uh that was an emotional payoff in and of itself
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: i mean MJF did not do the MJF thing. He chose....
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he chose friendship.
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: It was a beautiful... It's still one of my favorite
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: AEW moments.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: And then got stabbed in the back.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the thing is, is that, you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: with All In, you go back and you look, Soraya,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Mariah Mae, Brawling Birds, Will Ospreay. It's... At least in Wembley,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: It's a Homer thing, you know, and good and evil
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with it. It's where you're from.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's disappointing to me.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: I do kind of want to see a face MJF again.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I do too. I thought he was better as a
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: face than he was as a, especially when he was
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: in his reluctant face phase, I thought he was very effective.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: God damn it, I.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Am ready to be your scumbag.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he was still a scumbag, but he
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: was our scumbag. And man, the merch sales were through
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the roof, you know, and that's an indicator that you're
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: doing something right, I guess. I don't know. But let's
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: move on because we also have, of course, Adam Copeland,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: who looks like he's going to get a title shot,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: but he's also retiring. We made a post recently. on
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the Reddit and on our X account that got quite
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a bit of a play asking who's going to be
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the one to retire Adam Copeland. Um, does it, it
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to be in a singles match. It
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: could be in a tag team match. Um, but a
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: lot of people were saying Christian cage, do we really
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: want his best friend to be the one to put,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, Adam Copeland is a purist. Well, sting
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: was too, but I think, uh, I think Adam Copeland
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: would get his way more than Sting would in this
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: particular case. Adam Copeland, there's a very strong chance when
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: he retires, he's going to retire on his back. He's
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: going to go out on his back. Do we really
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: want his best friend to put him out? No.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: I'd say that seems like the best thing to do.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: If you love old Yeller very much, you have to
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: be the one to shoot him. It's only right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Is Christian....
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Chris, did you or anybody else here, is he looking
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: to hang it up anytime soon?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard anything about it.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I have not heard anything of this.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Because, like, if I'm, you know, the... AEW does retirements,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: and we saw it with Sting, and if I'm booking
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Cage and Christian, I'm booking both of them going out
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: on their back together at a 10 count and ending
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: their careers as best friends. On their pants. That's the
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: reference to that.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Thinking of that ending is making me tear up already.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: I want to see it now.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Like, that's the way I write. That's my, in my head,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: my fantasy booking for that. But to your point, Kelson,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I could absolutely see Copeland pushing to put somebody over
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: that he believes in, too. I think the Sting thing
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: was kind of a different scenario because as much as
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I love Adam Copeland, he is not Sting. There's a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: whole lot more to the whole Sting thing than is
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: applicable here.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Sting wanted to go after that, but nobody would let him.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody would let him because he's Sting. So who, Kelson,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: who should he put over if he was to do
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the job for somebody in his retirement? Who do you think?
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Or Chris, Val, and Jess?
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I'll answer with not a specific... I'm going to chicken
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: out on this, but somebody that's under the age of 35.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't necessarily have to be a heel. It
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: just has to be somebody... Can you imagine somebody putting
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: him out on his back in a singles match and then,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you know, crying about it with him in the ring?
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Nick Wayne.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Nick Wayne.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Jesse and I were on the same wavelength.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Nick Wayne. Man, where's the mute button? I got to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: get rid of you guys.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Jesus.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: God almighty. I don't know how. I'm totally inept. It
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: can't be Nick Wayne. I mean, having Nick Wayne.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Just nobody say.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Jess, I swear to God, if you say Eddie Kingston
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: to the moon right now, I'm telling you right now.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: Well, I wasn't, but now you've planted that seed.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: That would be a travesty.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see somebody that's in their late
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: 40s and.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: 50s.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see Bobby Lashley do it. I
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: don't want to see... I really don't want to see
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: somebody like that do it. I want to see the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: emotion carry over for somebody that has quite a bit
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: of their career still in front of them, not behind them.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: You don't want to see Bobby Lashley do it? Jeff
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: Jarrett is.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Jeff Jarrett, yeah. Like, who are, like... Go ahead, Jess,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: I was saying that young buck, that spring chicken, Jeff Jarrett,
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: he's got a bright... That kid's got a bright future
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: ahead of him.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: So, like, who's that tier of players right now? Because
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: you can do it one of two ways. A, you
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: can just use this to establish... a top guy and
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: give them a notch on that belt to just keep,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: you know, legendary status. They're the one that retired Adam Copeland,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: or you can use this to elevate an upper mid
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: card guy to the main event. So what is that?
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: What does that group of players look like? Cause I'm
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: thinking you got to cash stuff. You got hang man.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think Osprey needs to do it, but
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: he could. Kyle Fletcher is the one that I'm thinking.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Like he, if anybody for the Reb, Fletcher is the guy.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Kyle Fletcher did get a lot of votes, and I
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: would agree with that. But here's the thing.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Takeshi is already over. We know he's going to have
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: a great career, barring injury. Okay. We know that, really,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: we know Kyle Fletcher is going to have a great career.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I want to see. I want to see
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: something like a Mariah May thing where it comes out. I've,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I've admired you all my life kind of thing. And,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: you know, do something like that. I, you have time
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: to build that story. You, this could happen at all in,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, so you've got, it should wants
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: to do. And I, you know, I'm throwing the name
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: out there, not saying that this person would, be the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: person that I would pick, but somebody like Myron Reed.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: Eddie Kingston.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Somebody like Myron Reed.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: See, somebody that.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Go ahead. Stephen Borden.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: You know, that would be interesting. See what I'm saying?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about guys like Myron Reed. You said Stephen Borden.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Guys of that ilk that are absolutely talented. and have
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: their whole career in front of them, and they can
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: say that they retired Adam Copeland, that's a good way
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: for Adam Copeland to go out. And I'm pretty sure
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: that's what Adam Copeland would want as well. I don't
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: think he wants to go out to Kazuchika Okada.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: No, but he would probably ask somebody to wrestle him,
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: somebody that he's never faced before.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But what I'm saying is, do you really want
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: to see somebody like Kazuchika Okada or Christian Cage or
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Kenny Omega retire Adam Copeland?
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Kenny.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: That would be the worst.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: They've never wrestled. I absolutely want it to be a
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: young name. Kenny and Copeland can have their match at
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: another time before the retirement match.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. But not the retirement match.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: No, it needs to be a young talent.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: It has to be a younger talent with their future
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: ahead of them, but not Nick Wayne.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I wonder if he's got anybody in mind, too, because
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: he's a sharp guy, so if Copeland has an idea
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: of who he wants to put over, my guess is
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: he probably knows who he wants it to be, and
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: it's a matter of pitching the story to your point, Kelsey,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: to build that, and if it's a mid-card guy he
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: wants to elevate up, or an upper mid-card guy he
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: wants to get to the main event scene, it's like,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: you need to build that to have, to have that
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Mariah may impact. Like they got to start that soon.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: So I'm, I'm interested to see, I think we'll probably
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: start to get some general idea in the next, maybe
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: not until after full gear, but now that that seed's
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: been planted, the audience like that was put out there
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: for a reason for us to start paying attention. Like
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: who's this person going to be, you know, to your point, Kelsey.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Do you guys, do you guys think that Adam Copeland
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: is going to capture the AW world championship? No.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Probably not. He'll probably give it a good college try, though.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, Jess.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: I would say something you said, like that story you
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: suggested with this Mariah Mae-esque thing. I think they did
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: that already. Younger guys who look up to Cope then
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: suddenly turn on him. They did that with FDR.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but FDR, again, they're not... They don't have... The
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: best part of their... They don't have the future that
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: somebody like... I do like the Kyle Fletcher thing, although
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I think that Kyle Fletcher may not be the right
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: choice because we all know that Kyle Fletcher's special. You know,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: they should use Adam Copeland's retirement to show that somebody
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: else is special. Why couldn't it be Nick Wayne?
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: He's the youngest guy on the roster, isn't he?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: He just beat you can't get any better than that
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: in aw.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: We're talking about people that are special i think it's
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: pretty clear you've decided you are going to go over.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Well that's definitely not a young guy.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: He's he's gonna do his frog you're gonna do your
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: frog frog splash.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, there's going to be hopefully people that
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: are listening to this podcast will go look at the A.W.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: roster and look at the younger people, younger guys and say, hmm,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: that's a possibility. We all know that Kyle Fletcher and others,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: you know, Kenny Omega, Kazuchika Okada, that would be a
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: dream match. But you could have the dream matches before
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the retirement match. You know what I'm saying?
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: You do.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: Young talent. It should be one of the outrunners. They're
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: the youngest men alive.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah. You know, they're 34. So, anyway.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: I'm younger than Turbo, or I'm older than Turbo.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I'm older than every wrestler on the AEW roster.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: It's my birthday tomorrow. How about that?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: It's your birthday? Happy birthday, Barry. It was my birthday
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: during our hiatus, so. There you go.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: Happy belated birthday, Kelsey.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you. One year closer to retirement.
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: I'll have to send you a belated Eddie Kingston stripper gram.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I told my daughter she's got to start preparing now
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to put me in the best standards. I don't want
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: assisted living. I want a harem. I want the best.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: You want the Eddie Kingston special? Is it Eddie Kingston's
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: stripper gram? He shows up with a big thing of
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: butter and he just rubs it all over his belly
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: as he's twerking.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Moving on. Moving on.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Don't get up.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I'll see myself out. There's no muting, Barry. We had
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: the debut of Ilya Dragunov. And this, as far as
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I know, Ilya Dragunov has the only match that has
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: been booked for Dynamite tomorrow night. We don't know who
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: he's fighting, but we haven't been. Tony Khan did confirm
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that Ilya Dragunov will be wrestling tomorrow night. We just
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: don't know who.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: And we know the opponent.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Do you know? We do?
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Who?
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: It's Speedball.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, that'll be fun.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: Yes. Heck yeah.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Did they announce it?
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: That's a great first opponent.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, because last time I checked, it wasn't. So
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that's good. One of the things that I did was
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, has Ilya Dragunov ever faced anybody
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: from AEW before? And it's really interesting that you said
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Speedball Mike Bailey is his first opponent because 10 years ago,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: almost to today, Ilya Dragunov, and I believe it was
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Progress Chapter 100. defeated Mike Bailey in 2016. I believe
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: it was earlier. It was like October 11th or something
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: like that in 2016. Speedball Mike Bailey is the oldest
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: of his opponents. He's only faced three other AEW wrestlers.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: In 2019, he faced Claudio Castagnoli, And he faced, oh God,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the other two. Fletcher's one of them, right?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I think Fletcher's one of them. He did wrestle Fletcher
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: in 2019. That was the other one in 2019 that
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: he wrestled. And he also wrestled somebody in the WWE
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: in their final match in the WWE, Tommaso Ciampa. Tommaso
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Ciampa's final match in the WWE was against So now
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: we know that Dragunov is going to be facing Speedball
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Mike Bailey. That's really interesting. That's a really good opponent.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a genius. I wonder if Excalibur will bring
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: that up. He loves dropping historical little nuggets like that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he will, Jess. I think you're spot on. Hey,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: did anybody catch his interview? Go ahead, Kelsey.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: No, go ahead.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Anybody catch his interview on Ariel Hawani today? Uh, some,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: some good long form. Yeah. So, um, the theme song,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: when I thought I recognized it at the show, but
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: I couldn't, I wasn't certain. Cause I mean, I'm not a,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: you know, super classical music, that knowledge.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Don't lie. Come on.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but like, I'm like, man, I know this
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: song or does it just sound like a song I've heard?
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah. So evidently, they licensed Tony licensed his theme
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: and it was, it's on command and conquer red alert three.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: It's the Russian March. I think it's called or something.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: And I guess he used that when he was on
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: the Indies, when he first started out, he said an
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Ariel Hawani show. And I, I didn't know, I didn't
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: know that I'm not super familiar with him prior to WWE,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: but I thought that was super cool. And, um, so
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: he's using that as from command and conquer red alert three,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: which is why I recognize it. Cause I, I played
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: that game. Is that the one with Ric.
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: Flair in it? I know in one of the Command
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: & Conquer games, Ric Flair is in it.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't understand what you were saying. No, I
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: wish I didn't.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: I don't remember Ric Flair being in Command & Conquer
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Red Alert 3.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Command & Conquer, Ric Flair.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Red Alert, the spin-off 3, yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Red Alert.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Anyway, if you haven't, it's a good interview regardless. But yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting for his entrance music, that
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Tony licensed that, and that was something he used on
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: the Indies, so he was happy to get it back.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of weird because I was actually
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: thinking about the music earlier today, and I was thinking, okay,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: so at the big show, AEW All In, he should
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: win his match, whatever match. I didn't think about what
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: match it was, but it should be a big match.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: And his exit music should be the War of 1812
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Overture and a pyro could play to cannons.
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, that'd be awesome.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: You know, I am nothing if not hokey as hell.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: Wait.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: But isn't that Claudio's theme? No, it's not. What's Claudio's theme?
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Isn't that Claudio's theme?
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Well, then he can beat Claudio and steal his... Exactly.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: In a stipulation match, he steals Claudio's theme.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: He steals Claudio's theme, and as he exits, you know, bam, bam, bam,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it used to be Claudio's theme, but
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: he has his own variant of the Death Riders theme now.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: But I have a better one for theme versus theme.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Orange Cassidy against Claudio. Of course, why would Claudio want
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Orange Cassidy's theme other than to bury it? I don't know.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: But you can imagine... Orange Cassidy went into match and
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: as he's exiting the War of 1812, Overture is playing,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: and instead of big bangs, you just see these little.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Roman candles.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was like, you know, again, I am
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: an idiot.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: You know, Kelson, I think you're onto something. There needs
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: to be more theme versus theme stipulation matches.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Four o'clock for carnage. I want theme versus theme.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I want gear versus gear. No, I don't want them
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: to strip in the ring. But could you imagine, like,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Mike Bailey losing his gear to, or Eddie Kingston losing
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: his gear to Mike Bailey, and Mike Bailey has to
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: come out wearing that singlet?
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Could you imagine a stipulation match where if Joe Samojo loses,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: he has to twerk?
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: No.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: The piggies in the blanket match. It's glorious. The piggies.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: In the blanket.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: Also, just as a side note, I checked, Ric Flair
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: is in Red Alert, in Command & Conquer Red Alert 3.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: He's in the Uprising DLC.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's okay.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't have the DLC. That's okay.
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he plays Douglas Hill, who's like one of the generals.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: Commander Douglas Hill, who's like for America, obviously.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, trying to get somewhat back on track. Kelson, you
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: mentioned you hadn't seen any other matches announced for Dynamite. Well,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: over on the Discord, our buddy Matt Lopez did share
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: a few more matches. Will Ospreay and Adam Copeland versus
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Kyle Fletcher and Kevin Knight.
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: That I saw.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Maya World versus Queen Aminata in a TBS Championship number
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: one contender match. And Actual Gamer shared this one, the
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Young Bucks versus Davis and Doyle in a World Tag
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Team Championship Eliminator match.
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: We got a lot of good things coming up on Dynamite.
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: That show.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: That Maya World one doesn't make sense, though, because Maya
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: World is the former TBS champion. She gets a title
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: shot whether she wins this or not.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Well... It's happening again. Why you got to poke holes, Pelton? Wait,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: is it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Canon that the lower or the mid-card belts get rematch clauses?
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I thought that was only the title, the tag in the.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I've not heard any different. I've not heard any different. Well,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: let's move on because... Mercedes Monet did retain the AEW
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Women's World Championship over Tekken, but now.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: You've got to.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Wonder, what's next for Mercedes Monet? I have a solution
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: not only for Mercedes Monet, but for Will Ospreay's next opponents.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: But I want to hear what you guys think, because
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I have a strange, strange solution. solution to this.
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: Who's next? Is it that Will and Mercedes should face
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: each other for each other's belts?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: No, because Will's belt won't fit Mercedes.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: She's got to swing it between the legs, man.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: It doesn't need to fit.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: By the way, did you see the discourse about what
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Tecla did.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: As she was leaving the ring, that is the most
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: preposterous thing in the world. She was mimicking Mercedes Monet
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: the entire way out of the ring, and people were
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: thinking she's being disrespectful. Yeah, she was being disrespectful because
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Mercedes Monet was being disrespectful.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Plus, like, being disrespectful, have you seen Tecla's anything?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: People will just try to find a way to do
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: anything to get somebody to respond and it's kind of pathetic,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: but anyway, who is next for Mercedes Monet? Who would
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: you like to see face Mercedes Monet for the AEW
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: women's world championship at full gear?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Mina Shirakawa.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Mina Shirakawa is Chris, Kenny Omega and Mike and speedball,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Mike Bailey are Val and, And Eddie Kingston is Jess.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: So that's the answer for everything there.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: Well, you forgot one for me.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: You forgot Kyle Fletcher.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I happen to absolutely adore Will Osprey, and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: I already made that suggestion.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Wait, you want Kyle Fletcher to face Mercedes Monet?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: And he poured in a storm, yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: I got to ask something to Barry.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Was Mercedes worth the wait?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: So I was actually wrong. I realized that afterwards. I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: saw her wrestle at World's End. She wrestled Chris Statlander
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: for the belt. So I was for some TBS or something.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: So I was actually incorrect. I had seen her at
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: the last pay-per-view I was at. But yeah, it was
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: a banger. I mean, she's great.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: To provide an actual answer to your question, Kelson, it
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: may be a little soon, but have you heard about
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: the Tony Storm tapes?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I agree with you that it is a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: little too soon. There's a lot too soon. I don't
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: think that Tony Storm, I think the Tony Storm tapes
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: are going to be building toward, I think at the earliest,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: World's End. I really do. the last pay-per-view of the year.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because she's out until the end of the year, Tony.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: You know, you just keep doing teaser after teaser after teaser,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: and then bring her back when she's ready to come back.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Could be Dynasty. That's in Liverpool, right? Dynasty's in Liverpool?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's basically sold out already.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was only 83 tickets last time I saw,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing, when, you know, Toni Storm was
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: born in Australia, but where did she go to train
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: for wrestling and where she lived? Liverpool.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: New UK.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: So I have to disagree with you. I mean, obviously,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Toni Storm and Mercedes Bonet would be a good future matchup.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Not in three weeks.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: So we want to see a babyface heel. We want
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: to see two heels. We want to just pick a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: good opponent. Like, what are we thinking here?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Sacrificial lamb it's probably going to be a sacrificial lamb
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: but do you want to hear my idea yes please
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: yeah kelson yeah full gear is on november 14th blood
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: and guts is on november 4th five women five women
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: versus five women the winner of that match on the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: following dynamite in a five-way match face each other, and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the winner of that match goes on the full gear
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: to challenge Mercedes Monet.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: They do the same thing for the men. That's who
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: you pick, how you pick for the challenger for Will Ospreay.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: Honestly, right now, for blood and guts, I don't really
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: see how you get, I mean, especially with how many
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: people are going to be gone, wrestling on Tower Struggle
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: the day before. Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: Muscle and Moxley are out for sure.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: And Gabe Kidd.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: Gabe Kidd and Willer Yuta as well.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and Kenny's over there as well.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: We're talking about the women's title, guys.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: Full Gear is my birthday pay-per-view, so somebody I like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: has better be there.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: I like Kelson's idea because it gives the match immediate
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: stakes and it makes it where you don't have to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: come up with these teams who have a problem. You
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: can just say, okay, it's these 10 people and you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: can almost make the teams random at that point.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can even do it with the five-way match.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Make it a single elimination match. You pin, you're out.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: It goes down to the one. What would it be
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: like to have Lena Cross and Megan Bain as the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: final two in that match?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: It's funny you mention that.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: It builds story.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: It's funny you mention that because I am ready for
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: a Lena Cross singles run. And if I am picking
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: an opponent for Mercedes, I think... Lena earning a title
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: match is what they use as a catalyst to build
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: tension between her and Megan Bain. And I would love
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: to see Lena Cross versus Mercedes. I also think I'd
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: like to see... God, her name's Persephone as well. I
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: think it's time she gets up in that mix as well, too.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: But Lena Cross is the one that popped into my mind.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: I would like to see what she can do with
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Mercedes in the ring. I think Mercedes would elevate that
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: to possibly the best match of Lena Cross' career. I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: really think they could do something special together.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, of course you have Fright Night Dynamite
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and Fright Night Collision. And then you also have, you know,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: blood and guts. And, of course, just a regular collision
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: and regular dynamite this week. You've got to build toward
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: blood and guts. We have no clue right now. We
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: don't even have any clue if there's going to be
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: a women's blood and guts. There better be. We don't
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: have any clue if there's going to be a men's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: blood and guts.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: There better be.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just as simple as that. But who's
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: going to be in it? And that's... Something that I'm
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: looking forward to tomorrow night is seeing some clues as
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: to who's going to be in Blood and Guts. The
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: only people, the only person, I'm going to be honest
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: with you, the only person that seems like a shoe-in
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: for Blood and Guts is Sky Blue. Because it's her match.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: You know, for better or for worse.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: There'd better be both. Blood and Guts matches. Blood and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: Guts is sicko Christmas. I want an absolute carnage fest.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: A gore bacchanal, if you will.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Who was the big feuds on TV? They kind of
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: are setting up some... Was it Death Riders and Bang
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Bang Gang? Didn't they just have a big... Yeah, I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if it's the two of them.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Death Riders and the dogs against Bang Bang Gang.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, three of the guys aren't going to be there.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know about... Well, that's what the dogs are for.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: But I don't know if I want to see Jay
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: White in another match like that with his track record
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: of getting hurt and those types of events.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I put Jay White and Jamie Hayter
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: in the same category. They're terrific talents, but they're glass cannons.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: You know... you breathe on them wrong and they seem
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: to get hurt. I don't mean that disrespectfully. I want
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: to see them get 100% healthy and then not do
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: stupid stuff with their matches. Stick around for a while, guys.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: It's a long road ahead. You know, they don't need
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: to put Jamie Hader or Jay White in blood and guts.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: or Chicago brawls or whatever. Chicago street balls, street fights,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: you know, Philadelphia brawls, Long Island ice team matches, whatever.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good one.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: Would that be the sister match to the Mimosa Madness?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Mimosa Madness is what they do at the brunch place.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: They got to get rid of all the ladies on Sunday.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: So one of the things, I didn't post this, somebody
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: else did, but the question was, should AEW develop a
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: women's trios division? Well, you know what my answer to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that would be right away. because I don't like trios matches,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: my answer would be no. But one of the things
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: that was answered the most was, AEW needs to build
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: their tag team division first. And it's the truth. Chris
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Statlander is with Harley Cameron. The Brawling Birds, they're kind
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: of in limbo. I really do think that the titles
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: are going to have to come off of them because
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Jamie Hayter can do it. You
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? If she comes back in a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: couple weeks, Tony Khan said she could come back in
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: a couple weeks, hopefully. Is she going to be able
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: to come back, or is she going to be able
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: to come back healthy? You know?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Well, it depends on the injury. I mean, she could
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: have just pulled a hamstring, where you can't draw the ring,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: but in a couple weeks, you know, I don't know.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think they said what she's banged up.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but you've got to build the tag
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: team division. You've got to build. Remember we were talking
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: about Adam Copeland retiring and putting over to younger talent.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: I really do feel that way about the women's division too.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: One of the things I do want to say too
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: is that if you look at the AEW signings, I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this, if you look at
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the AEW signings in 2026 so far, AEW has signed
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: 25 new wrestlers in 2026. And 16 of them wrestled
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: during WrestleDream week. So it's not like they're not using them.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: But you've got to give people like Zeta Steel and
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Danny Luna. Danny Luna's been in two matches. two pay-per-views
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: in a row but she's not gonna win you know
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: so you gotta build up these teams um and these
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: individuals because it's important go.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: Ahead yeah um i actually uh brought this up as
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: a topic so i'll sort of like it seems like
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: a good place to bring it up um One thing
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: about the men's division is that not only do you
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: have stuff going on with the titles, but it's also
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: crisscrossed with all these interesting interpersonal relationships that can always
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: have something for someone to do. No matter what's going on,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: you can... throw Swerve and Hanger into a match and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: it'll be awesome because they have a ready-made storyline that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: can be reignited at any given time, for example.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Right, but I think in your suggestion, basically, I don't
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: know if you said this outright, but it seemed to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: me like you at least alluded to it. You don't
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: have to have a feud be for a title. You
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: can have feuds that are non-title matches and non-title series.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: we're getting that with Motor City Machine Guns, you know,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: in the tag matches with FTR, but you can do
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: that through everything.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: It just doesn't seem to me like it's there, but
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: the women's division doesn't have like that rich tapestry, as
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: rich a tapestry of interpersonal relationships as the men's division does.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: And if you build that up, then you'll always have
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: something for people to do.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: So you left us speechless, Jess.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, is there anybody, I mean, do you
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: agree guys that you don't have to have, especially in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: the women's division with look, the women's division is a
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: lot smaller. It's a lot smaller than the men's division,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: but just, but that makes it to where it's more
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: likely that you're going to have the same women wrestling
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: every week. And I, for one, I'm not a proponent
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: of putting, you know, meaningless trios matches in a show
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: to get six women onto a match. I'd rather have
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: four women wrestle in a tag team because then you
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: can at least further the tag team division. And you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: don't have to have an eliminator match. You don't have
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: to have a championship match. You don't even have to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: have a number one contender match. You just need to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: get these people, these tag teams into a feud, similar
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: to what is being done right now with Motors of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: the City, Machine Guns, and FTL.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: Oh, sure.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, there was, I mean, months back, the two
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: I was interested most in the women's division were Tecla
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: and Queen Almanada because they were just beating the crap
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: out of each other. That was awesome. Like, I wanted
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: to see more of that. Like, they need more of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: that where it's not just, The titles, it's, hey, these
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: ladies don't like each other. They want to beat each
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: other up. Everyone can relate to that.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: There's only a few feuds like that. Number one is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Hangman and Swerve. That's, I think, the top tier of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: even their greatest matches. There wasn't a title involved. Underneath that,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: I think you've got Takeshi and Okada have established themselves
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: as a long-term feud. You can have the two of
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: them face off at any time. They've got the lineage
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: now that that can happen. I think on the women's division,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: before injuries got in the way, Britt Baker and Thunder
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Rosa were well on the road to that, but stuff
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: derailed that. But to your point, Kelson, I don't think
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: anybody on the women's side has that kind of heat
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: where they can heat that up. Teclan Amanata wasn't, was
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: something they did kind of inadvertently that the fans picked
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: up on and they just did in the ring, but
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: they never really focused on it. But I, I agree
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: with you, Kelson. They need to establish a little more,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: just people that hate each other, that when they meet
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: in the ring periodically through, and you got to refresh
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: it through the year. You got to remind people of that.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: They do that with hangman and sort of really well,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: but you got to remind them, like just pick two
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: people that, And start developing that. I think it's too
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: late to pay it off this year. But I think
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: that's really important, Kelson, because those are the types of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: matches that when you don't have anything else going, you
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: can kind of heat that up at any time and
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: you've got something in your back pocket you can play
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: when maybe you're in kind of a transitional period where
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: you're moving some people into places for longer-term storylines. You
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: can get those two people with familiarity that always have
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: heat together and heat them up real quick to bridge
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: that gap.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it takes time to build proper heat, but,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: you know, you've got to build the feud, and it's
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: not going to be done in a week or two
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: to build a proper feud and get the heat that's required. But,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: you know, I hate to say it, I don't want
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: to see something with just Willow. That's not going to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: do it. You've got to do two, three, four, build
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: four stories. Get eight women involved, one-on-one. You know, you
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: can put them in tag matches together too, but get
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: something going. Because right now it's Megan Bain, it's Divine Dominion,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: and the Sisters of Sin. And every single week I
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: have nothing against the Divine Dominion and the Sisters of Sin.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I think they're both terrific. And I will say this,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you felt about this, Barry, in
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the pre-show. I thought the Divine Dominion and Sisters of
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Sin match was brilliant. I thought it was great.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was fun. It was a great time.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: It was a contrast in styles. Megan Bain and Lena
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Cross were using their power, and Julia Hart and Sky
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Blue were zipping all over the ring.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: Speed versus strength. And it's funny you mention that, because
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: that's kind of what we observed, too. Also, I think
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: it's pretty clear that Triangle of Madness are going to
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: be turning babyface. People already want to cheer for Tecla
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: in a Stone Cold-esque manner. And Sisters of Sin are just,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: they're just a lot of fun to watch. And putting
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: them in there against the Towers of Terror, you know,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: of the Divine Dominion, like, it's an easy way to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: frame them as babyfaces. So I viewed all of those matches,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: especially since the six of them are kind of feuding together,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: as a babyface turn for Pecla and the Sisters of Sin.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: Certainly that's how we picked it up in person.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Well, don't forget that early on, Everybody was cheering for
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Sky Blue when she first came in. You know, she
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: was bubbly and bright and everything. When Julia Hart was
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: TBS champion, she was a heel, but she was getting
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: face pops, just like TBS.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Did.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: People want to cheer for Julia. Give the people what
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: they want. There's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't necessarily
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: mean that they have to win.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: Those three are really in the classic anti-hero vibe at
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: this point. They're not good guys, but they're not like, oh,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: just pure evil. People like them because there's something interesting
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: about them. Tecla is just freaking cool. There's just no
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: other way to say it. She's cool.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: I will say this, and I really mean it. I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: was shocked when I saw, I thought it was going
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: to be a squash in the pre-show, but that Sisters
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: of Sin versus Divine Dominion match at the Tailgate Brawl,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: It was a really, really good match. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it was a lot of fun.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was good.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: You know, that's what I want to see. I want
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, more Sky Blue against Megan Bain.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: I want to see Julia against Megan Bain and vice versa.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: But I also want to see them branch out and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: go after... I really like Haiyan. I really do. I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: think she's very talented. But we'll see.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: You know, it might be kind of fun, like not
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: and probably not anytime soon, because I think like everything's
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: already planned up for a while. But just at some point,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: if they want to do something like a mixed match,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: mixed match challenge, I think that'd be really fun.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by a mixed match challenge?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: Well, he's never heard of Tony Chimel either.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: Give me an example you know I mean the mixed
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: match challenge was something they actually did in WWE like
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 7: quite a while back yeah that's basically a tournament where
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: you have it's a mixed tag tournament where you have
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: like one a male wrestler paired up with a female wrestler.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: They did mixed tag rules which means the men and
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: women can't fight each other but This is AEW, and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: they don't shy away as much from intergender stuff, so
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't mind seeing that. But even just kept strictly
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: mixed match, it could be a fun thing to see.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Get more Marina Shafir against Roderick Strong, Sky Blue against
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Kyle Fletcher kind of thing?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: You had like odd pairings and things like that, but
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: you had pairings that made sense and others that were like, ooh,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: I don't know. And then it was like.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was cool. It was on Facebook, actually. Yeah,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: Big Show and it was Paul White and– Oh, jeez. No,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 6: not Rico. Alexa Bliss. They actually worked together as Team
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: Little Big, and they had amazing chemistry.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah!
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: It was Braun Strowman.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, it was Braun Strowman.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: It's been a while. I forgot. I knew it was
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: one of the big guys with the beard.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Your birthday is coming up, so you are getting old.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was Braun Strowman and Alexa Bliss, and they
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: were Team Little Big, and their chemistry was awesome.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: Obviously, Braun Strowman and Orange Cassidy would be a team that.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: No, no, Tony Storm and... Yeah, well, yeah, Tony Storm
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: and Orange Cassidy against Juice Robinson and... I don't know.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Somebody else.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: And then you could have an excuse to put Brody
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: King and Alexa Bliss in a team... Alexa Bliss.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: Got Team Little Big on the brain. And Julia Hart
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: back together.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be interesting.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Don't discount... Buddy Matthews coming back. Don't sleep on him.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: There's who could be Copeland's final opponent.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be cool.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. But anyway, we ran a little bit
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: long tonight. We tried to speed it up, but we
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: went off the rails as normal, as usual, a little bit.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: I play Barry.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: I accept responsibility.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: But anyway we will be back for you know what
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: yeah we got one more show before our I believe
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: is it one more or two more shows before our
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: full gear preview and prediction show that would be on
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: the 10th of November we got two more we'll have
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Fright Night Dynamite coming up that's always fun Got Blood
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: and Guts coming up. So those are always fun shows.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to it. We'll be back Tuesday
• 1:23:55
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