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  I was saying, hello everyone. Oh wait, hello everyone, and welcome
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  to Thirsty for Me. Hello Michael, Welcome to Thirsty for cor Hello Alex,
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  I'd like to pay a game. All your life, you've been doing
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  uber. Now it's time for me to drive you. Here's a tip,
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  Alex. Maybe you could pay your debts some time or I don't know.
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  I'm trying to think of something for sure? What else? What else gonna
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  be? Hello, Malichael, I'd like to play a game. Your desk
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  is to do ten episodes of the show content. You have no time for
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  your brother's leaving. You have to have two episodes in the bag. But
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  Alex is flaying. They were ready to edit all problematic mis taken out.
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  Live or die, make your choice. Hello everyone, and welcome to Thirsty
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  for Gore. Second annual Thirsty for Gore. You know, I think Thirsty
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  for Gore is going to become a series that's of tremendous importance in you know,
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  being really fun and breaking up the time between our main season stuff and
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  yeh, and you know what, more and more increasingly I'm feeling like I
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  want to just keep going. Dude, Yeah, you're gonna be Carrie Elwis
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  and I'm gonna be leewe l going somebody helps's pretty good. I gotta say,
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  like, for for for like an American accent, he does a pretty
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  good job. He does a good job. He doesn't there's definitely some times
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  where he's like, there is sometimes where he's like, Okay, I like
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  to teach Americans how to do an Australian accent. You fucking legion. But
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  they directed up grade dude an invisible man, and they were both awesome.
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  They were both awesome. He's he's really good. He's really good at He's
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  really good at this point. Yeah, you know, because I was watching
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  a weird breakout performance. Okay, Okay, I have so much to say.
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  I have so much to say. So like we're talking about like don't
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  on the light, like we're talking, of course about two thousand and fours.
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  We're almost the twenty years dude of we're almost a twenty years of Jigsaw,
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  uh, twenty years of of Toby uh and twenty years of uncredited Cameron
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  Diaz. Yeah, of course. Yeah, oh man. And I gotta
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  say I've totally forgot how outrageous Danny Clover's performance is. Okay, Okay,
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  Okay, well like let's let's let's get into it, because like this is
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  gonna be a first episode. At first, I was like, you know,
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  so this was this was a fan request, you know, like we
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  weren't really considering I wasn't even thinking about Thirsty for Gore, to be honest,
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  I was like way too concerned the Bruce Bruce Planet Bruce, and you
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  know, like it's exciting because because this is Pantheon and we it's kind of
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  late stage Pantheon because we were late teens slash early twenties when we were growing
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  to like this series, and I was kind of out. I was already
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  getting out of like liking movies a lot, you know what I mean,
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  Like you know when you're like in your teens and you're like they mean everything,
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  and then like I don't know when I hear my twenties, like you're
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  like I'm in a band. Yeah, I don't know. I just I
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  stopped. I mean, I liked movies in university, but I stopped liking
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  these kinds of movies. But this one I liked because Okay, anytime there's
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  a movie with your own twist, like I always think back and I'm like,
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  oh well, if you know the twist, but no, really good
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  ones will leave clues along the way, and they they do the reveals,
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  and how they include the reveals to be a part of the story and it's
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  not just about reveals is really amazing. And to see this movie do that
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  so elegantly, to see like these young guys you because these guys were young
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  gen x y and this really feels like a young gen X movie on all
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  the New Medal, all of the New Medal, all of the like twist,
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  who's action, but also all of the like kind of problems that the
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  movie addresses are very like gen X. Even the character of like the Doctor
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  who he's an older gen X. And in this movie we have a scene
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  between a younger gen X and an older gen X both kind of having reverence
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  for each other, but both really trying to fuck each other over in kind
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  of like this metaphor for a rat race of life. Almost totally. And
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  we'll get to how this movie, I just want to say so much.
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  Anyway, should we get into it, we should get do who's that,
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  who's that? What's your what's not dead, what's your what's your what's your
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  experience of this movie, what's your What's the first time I watched it,
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  I was in the basement at Mama Batas, and it was like it was
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  one of the first movies that I was like, oh no, that's scary.
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  It's actually scary. There's an essential quality to it, right, it's
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  it's like it was fun, fun, really fun fun. And but and
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  it was part of the sort of new wave of torture porn that was that
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  you have become a very much a huge support of supporter of yeah in retrospect,
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  because like it became so weird and toxic, but at the same time
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  become toxic. It did become toxic because, like so much of it,
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  this this felt like it was doing things for shock value but at the same
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  time and a gimmick. But at the same time it elevates that gimmick by
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  the fact that man, like this movie is fucking budget, Like it's so
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  budget, but like like so hardcore, like dedicated to making all of it
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  feel cohesive and real, like this entire set that they're in the like washroom,
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  said the dungeon. Dungeons basically said, yeah, it's close seal.
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  Yeah, really really nicely done and really well made. And also man that
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  something that I don't hear talked about enough about this movie is the music is
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  really good. The music is really good. Pick it's it's amazing, and
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  like they decidedly were like it has to be like so memorable and have so
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  much impact while at the same time kind of not being noticeable while it's happening.
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  The most amazing thing about watching this movie this time around was thinking about
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  it from like a filmmaking perspective, yeah, and and just being like man
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  like thinking like to our productions, like how we've made music videos have we've
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  to like cheat certain things or like make certain decisions writerly decisions or creative decisions
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  that inform the piece and not just inform the piece, but elevate the piece
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  totally. And having somebody like Leewanel be co write the movie, produce the
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  movie, be in the movie because it's just like that's just what we have
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  to do. Lewanel is amazing his voice and his like Ben Foster performance,
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  Like it's not true, Yeah, no, it's not. It is Ben
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  Foster performance. Every every time that you would talk about or do an impressionive
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  like I remember as like the most pantheon thing to me about this movie is
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  as kids or as a young people, when we were like loving this movie,
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  we were like made fun of this guy's voice, but it's amazing,
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  he's amazing at his intensity in it is really good and his reactions are really
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  believable. That was another thing, like this movie really I think thought about
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  those reactions. Oh yeah, totally, how would you react and what what
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  kind of like messiness you would be like doing if and try to like,
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  yes, sneak things away probably, but also like the way the camera moves
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  in the actual space itself, allowing for it to feel both bigger and smaller
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  at the same time, Like it feels big in the sense that like scale
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  wise, they're like the camera moves to like see all the lights turn on,
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  or like Dolly's out of Leewanelle to show the body in the middle,
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  and then the camera pans up, And how the movie pretends at certain points
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  that there's not a third dead body in that In that how the movie slightly
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  makes you forget about totally totally because it constantly is shifting because of the twist,
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  of course, because they don't want to fust The only people truly who
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  knew about the twist before the twist happens, are people who recognize Tobin Bell's
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  voice and and also it's not an accident that Tobin Bell and mothers sisters.
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  My mother with all that zep is amazing. So like Alex and I think
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  that this guy sounds like the guy from like Buster from Arrest of Development.
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  What's the guy's name? Good? His name is Michael Emerson. No,
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  but what's what's the what's the buster's name from? Oh that's so too late.
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  Why it's the rules. Yeah, they've just always sounded and this guy
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  amazing like kind of character TV actor, Yeah, totally. And he's also
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  in like person of Interest. Yeah, he's really good. He's really good,
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  and he's got that kind of vice. Yeah, he totally does the
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  US. It's the rules. Well, so okay, speaking of speaking of
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  Arrest of Development, this whole movie is it's the rules. Yeah, total,
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  this whole movie is you should have left a note or totally next that's
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  why you always leave a note. This movie wanted to teach you lessons.
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  Yeah, let's get into Harry Ellis also did did uh? He sometimes really
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  thick harsh? Yeah, the died like this was his kind of comeback in
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  in movies because he didn't really do what was he Oh my god, that
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  he is the guy from Liar, Liar, and he's the guy from It's
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  the Claw Princess Pride. That's right, Okay, okay, And then he
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  at one point was his accent Diana. I loove. We talked about that
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  so much. Okay. Doesn't it feel like the girl, the little girl
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  should be named Ali and the mom should be Diana. The little girl is
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  Diana, Diana an adult name is such an adult My name is Gordon are
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  in scrdon. His performance was really awesomely subtle, but he knew the funny
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  thing was that's a funny way to put it subtle what what they got him
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  specifically because he could pull off a gravitas of being like a calm guy and
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  and that part at the end when he's like, I think you're right.
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  I think you're right, because there's something very over the top and theatrical about
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  it while remaining subtle like he's somehow when when he's like in that creepy way
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  of him being because you because the movie is full of red herrings constantly where
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  it's like who's this and who's that and are they a criminal? Are who's
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  lying? And it's actually okay that we're talking about it out of order because
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  the movie is very out of order, and I feel like this is totally
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  a guy. This is totally a young gen X because this is totally a
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  guy watched pulp fiction, was like, this is my pulp fiction. Yeah,
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  it'd percent one hundred percent and and the like. But like the subtlety
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  what I mean by the subtlety because no one is You're right, no one
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  is subtle, especially not Danny Glover, dude, but oh my god,
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  gives like fucking landmark performance, unhanged performance. The movie works because of all
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  of that, and like the movie actually works really well. It's it's not
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  always does a real sort of like celebrity casting like this where they're like,
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  we can get Danny Glover. Not always doesn't work, dude. They must
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  have. So they were both for Carrie Ellis and and Danny Glover. They
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  were like and Shawnny Smith, but Shawnie Smith was apparently like a huge crush
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  for both James Juan and Lee else so attractive and she's so great and like
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  they were like, oh that would be awesome, you know, they felt
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  like it really felt like, oh, when we were kids, we wanted
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  these actors is to be in it, and they didn't get enough attention.
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  So we're going to put them in it, you know, totally, and
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  like the movie is elevated for it, Like it feels like you can tell
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  it's low budget, but all of the choices, like there's a slow moving
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  poison coursing through your vease. Yeah, and the antidote and also do you
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  remember anything? What was the last thing you remember? I remember waking up
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  in my shit hole apartment and then waking up in an actual shiit hole.
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  Just like like lines like that where I'm like, you know what, this
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  actually works surprisingly well, like that that none of the writing ever compared to
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  the first one of all the rest of them, even though I like a
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  lot of the rest of them for different reasons. But yeah, man like
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  and also Ken Lung detective saying, oh my god, dude, like him
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  playing this guy's like dead eye. He's like Brad Pitt attempted perform, Like,
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  dude, it's so seven, it's so fight Club. At the whole
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  of the time, I was thinking, these guys slightly, these guys take
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  the suit. Oh my god, dude, the slightly over big suited him,
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  kind of sadly said again, but you can tell at any moment he
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  would want to break out into laugh again, excitedly, excitedly looking around at
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  everyone like I'm making a movie, guys. Totally, he is one of
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  those actors who didn't get he's getting stuff. Now that's a little bit better,
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  a little bit more serious. But he's still relegated a lot of times
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  to like very side characters. But yeah, he did an incredible job.
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  All the performances are actually like top notch, so like, yeah, we
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  open up with like I'd like to play a game. No, it's not
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  I'd like to play a game. It's a lot of like the characters finding
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  out in real time what the like the audience should know, them asking each
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  other questions, them lying to each other, people being like but also get
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  like little shots of like clues. Yeah, the the clock on the wall
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  is new, the tape recorder, the gun down, the drain, the
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  key goes down, the train goes down the drain. At the beginning,
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  Yeah, it's like something that that is super fascinating. They pull out the
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  letters, the or the envelopes and they find their tapes or whatever. Does
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  it seem to you like the puzzles that Jigsaw gives. Okay, we gotta
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  talk a lot about the puzzles because like we got to compare them, We
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  got to compare the puzzles to each other and like compare kind of the fairness
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  of some of the puzzles them. All of them are outrageous. Well,
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  they're all outrageous, but they're kind of like unfair in different ways. Yea.
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  The first like the the main guy, there's some people he just decides
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  should die. Yeah, a hundred percent. And sometimes it's like, oh
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  yeah, like well I left the key. You always leave a note,
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  dude, Yeah, totally. And it's like but like also this notion that
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  somehow one thing should be contingent on another thing, but also the puzzles can
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  be solved in between as well. Yeah, I can kind of like or
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  like you can solve a part of it and accidentally miss another another part of
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  it, which is like playing Space Quests to be honest, d totally,
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  it really does feel like I mean, somebody who played Space Quest a lot.
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  It's like life. If you don't deal with one thing, you know
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  it's going to come up later in a harder way, you know, yeah,
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  totally, or it might or it might just disappear like some of the
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  details in this movie, we'll talk about it. We notice all these clues,
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  these two characters that don't know each other, but we'll get into that.
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  They don't know each other, so they're kind of like trying to suss
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  each other out. Kudos to what's the what's it's Adam Lee, Yeah would
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  know, So kudos to Adam for kind of being smart enough in this moment
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  too, even though he recognizes this guy as the guy he's been following,
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  following and photographing. Later on, we'll find out, but he doesn't give
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  that away. No, he doesn't. And he does a really good job
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  at a kind of pretending for the audience but also pretending for him totally,
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  but also performing it in a way where there is something sneaky and you're like,
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  oh man, yeah, he's being really yeah, totally totally use your
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  shirt, like weird lines where they're trying to grab the tape recorder and it's
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  like he's, yeah, totally excuse you're sure shirt? Oh man? Yeah,
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  Like and can you imagine he like accidentally waxed, so enveloped the face
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  like place, Yeah, totally, Like did he put a selecting voice of
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  coursing through his veins? What did he do this? Yeah? That's like
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  I mean, the thing is like if I'm like in one position for like
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  twenty minutes of oh god, yeah, this is like ours. He was
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  there for like eight hours hours, dude, he's slowly giving away the twist,
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  rise and shine Adam. Wait, so does he play the tape?
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  Yeah, he's how did you find out the Where did he find the tape
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  recorder? Oh, it's in the hand of the gay and then he has
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  the gun in the other hand. And the whole thing is like you you
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  have to his his task, Carrie, always, his task is to kill
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  Adam, so he can say Lawrence, let's call the doctor Lawrence, Lawrence
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  and Adam. Let's call them by their names, okay, because they have
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  good names. It's really good names. Lawrence, Gordon two first names.
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  All of the names are really good in the mode a, and the way
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  that they say each other's names is really good. It's kudos to the movie
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  for like kind of subcon just knowing that saying the character's names a lot would
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  be really impactful and memorable and also things like like when Lawrence is like,
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  throw me the throw me the tape recorder, the West, throw me the
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  idol, give the West, throw me the idol, give the West,
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  throw me the idol. I'm not gonna do that. I don't want to
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  risk breaking it, you know. It's like I'm not going to do that
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  decidedly, and then being like figuring out a reason not to right because like
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  there's still the trust element. He doesn't he doesn't know if this guy's gonna
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  fuck him. He wants to hear. Also what this guy is tape has
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  to say, you know, like which it's also the choices that Jacksaw makes
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  for whose victims are are also like, I mean, did this guy really
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  do anything? Like did this person deserve to be like you? You've been
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  living in the shadows. It's like, dude, I take photos man like
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  like I have a job, Like what do you like? It's hard to
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  survive. He lives in a shipol apartment, like he totally punished as guy
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  who's a rich doctor is like it's time to wake up, doctor Gordon.
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  Your life You've ignored your family and it's like you don't even know me,
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  Like no, you don't know this guy, like, how does he use
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  that much poison in your blood? I love the little clues and then the
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  whispering in the background. What did he whispering? Oh fuck? What was
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  the clue? It was so good. No, we have to find out
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  remember X marks the spot, and then your heart or whatever and then the
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  ship smear heart. It's heart, you know hip, you know it's something,
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  and it's something that if you turned it up you wouldn't be able to
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  hear them. But it was like, it's your follow your heart, that's
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  it. Follow your heart. Yeah, totally. So let me ask you
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  a question. If you see, and I'll leave you in this room to
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  rot. If you see, if you see a toilet, like what's the
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  top? If you see a toilet tank and there's a ship's mirror mirror on
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  the tank and not on the toilet, where would you reach first? Can
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  I just tell you something that no other horror movie, no other movie does
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  that. These movies always do. After this movie is show a new metal
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  guy preparing the traps. He prepares the traps, dude, and he has
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  a fucking w w E fucking robe on with a red bright, red fucking
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  he's ready. He's yeah, dude, but yeah, you're right. If
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  a ship's me heart was on the toilet tank, I would check the toilet
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  the ship. Also, I felt like it would definitely a reference to another
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  Gen X movie, fucking Trainspotting tune for sure, speaking of which I would
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  have to add extra cruelty to this task. I would have he's kind of
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  like the evil Taskmaster. I would have like, put put shit in the
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  tank, put syringes in the tank. Oh my god, I thought there
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  was shit already. I just assumed, assumed there was shit in the tank.
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  Can you imagine how bad it smelled in there? Can you? And
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  him being like, well, I wish I checked in there first, they
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  go like they played for laughs too, like they really needed some reason to
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  like make the audience more grossed down and to like get some goodwill from the
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  audience, because it's if you're did you anything in there? No solids,
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  if you're asking good audience to sit through through like torture porn like this,
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  you need to give them a lot of reasons to feel okay, you know
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  what. It's some levity for sure, for sure, And and the fact
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  that he dug right in there in the ship. I mean it was it
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  was like bold, he boldly went for it. Yeah, totally. But
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  he finds he saws and then like sneakily throws something in the tub. Yeah
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  he what does he find in the in the tank he finds is that where
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  the tape recorder is. No, the tape recorder is, oh, in
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  the hand, sorry hand, I think he finds what does he find again?
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  Is it pictures? Well, he finds a Manila envelope full of pictures,
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  but then there's something he doesn't reveal the pictures. No, not yet.
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  He throws the bad we don't even see what he sees as a bag,
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  and he finds the saws, which he passes the saw one saw to
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  each guy and they try sawing through the metal, which makes me think about
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  how it's gonna like mangle up the like teeth of the saw so that when
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  you do cut your foot off eventually. Yeah, yeah, for sure one
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  of the best parts to his mind passing me the other one, you know,
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  just like the kind of panic to self preservation you would have in those
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  kinds of situations totally, and the kind of like dude, like we need
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  to figure this out together. There's no when does the moment happen where he
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  slightly breaks the mirror and how does that moment happen? Oh, he tries
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  to get through the saw and throws it, and he slightly breaks the mirror
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  by throwing the saw, and trunk of the mirror falls down near him.
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  He doesn't want us to cut through our chance. He wants us to cut
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  through our feet. It's such a he's also a surgeon, which is a
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  good like, gives enough of a thing of like he could cut his foot
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  off totally, Yeah, for sure and no could no to tie it off,
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  tie it off. And then later on when you see the giant foot
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  in a bed, black bag that's supposed to be a giant sack around his
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  foot, pretty good job. Later on where you see he's purple faced and
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  he's like, I'm gonna tie I'm gonna get two meters out the door.
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  He would totally he would totally die. I have no reason to lie to
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  you across it's like that, dude, it's amazing almost like we'll talk about
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  it. I can't believe we're jumping around this much, but I think the
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  movie warrants it because it jumps around this much too, dude, so what
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  But but what ends up happening is like like he's like he doesn't want us
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  to cut cut through chains, he wants us to cut through our feet.
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  And he's like, I think I know who did this, getting the little
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  reveals like that, and then that's a perfect lead into like starting to get
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  backstory totally, man. And then we get to the first seven I mean
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  saw set of the first victims or whatever, and Danny Glover and saying being
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  like, what do you think? Sing? Oh man, he's so like
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  adding in like the she's fucking two days away from retarding, I mean honestly,
• 26:26
  like he looks really good, but also like he's getting too old for
• 26:30
  this ship, getting too old for this ship, and it was just been
• 26:33
  already too old for totally. And the guy who is uh forty six year
• 26:38
  old male rais why damage the damage to the like femeral artery because he has
• 26:45
  to crawl through fucking razor wire and then it does trying in my skin totally
• 26:55
  will nadio. And then and then they find a tape he cut his wrists
• 27:00
  and he's like, you cut your risks wrist? Was this a cry for
• 27:04
  realpoor did you actually want to do something? No, you have a choice,
• 27:08
  live or die. Make your choice. So it's like you don't value
• 27:14
  your life enough. How does he have enough time to be like a full
• 27:18
  time cancer patient and also like doing all the back research on people, like
• 27:22
  you know, it's like all of their Like I think later on it gets
• 27:26
  he's like nord War dude, He's like the Mardar, like fucking sereal killers.
• 27:32
  Yeah, he's a Nordwar of seial killer. He's like, he's like,
• 27:34
  how did you know about all of this? Man? We have to
• 27:37
  know what he is totally. We have to know, but we have to
• 27:45
  I think I think what it is is. I think he gets revealed eventually
• 27:49
  that he's like actually been a genius what's it called engineer of some kind.
• 27:57
  That's why he can make all these traps and shit. So he's a genius
• 28:03
  engineer but also great at doing back research on people, and then has such
• 28:08
  a strong moral core that he like chose them specifically, like he's chosen choosing
• 28:14
  them specifically because but or actually or technically he's not he's not a serial killer.
• 28:21
  He's never killed anybody. Okay, the metal line and also not true,
• 28:27
  not true. Yeah, it's not true. Yeah, no, it's
• 28:32
  not that he's a killer. If you put someone in an impossible situation that
• 28:36
  they have to kill themselves, you killed them. He finds victims to kill
• 28:41
  themselves. No, no, definitely not. It's wrong. It's not true.
• 28:45
  Yeah, no, it's not. It's the rules. It's the rules.
• 28:49
  Yeah. And then the guy he puts in the second trap where he's
• 28:52
  like dunked him in some sort of flammable material and he give him and the
• 28:57
  code is on for the safe is on the walls. Also, speaking of
• 29:03
  Bruce Willis Crossover, can you imagine having to walk around with a single candle
• 29:11
  in barefoot grass while you're covered in It's like so cruel. Yeah, and
• 29:17
  it's in such a new metal way that you're sped up and you're fastly stepping
• 29:22
  on all of the class. And then in order, because they didn't have
• 29:26
  the budget, it's away and he's just burned. Yeah, totally, totally.
• 29:32
  And then we first get the introduction of Zepp. His name is John.
• 29:37
  Okay, so question, dude, do you think that Zepp and Tobin
• 29:42
  Bell look alike on purpose? Yes? The answer is the answer is yes.
• 29:47
  And and when when doctor Gordon dismissively goes, yes, Zep, thank
• 29:52
  you. Some of our like his his like such a dick and he played
• 29:59
  it so well. Some of our orderlies h find what was it? Thank
• 30:03
  you for that information, Zep. It's almost like either the director writers are
• 30:07
  commenting on how ridiculous him giving away plot points are well, what does Zep
• 30:12
  say again? He says his name is John. His name is John Mother.
• 30:19
  He totally, his name was John Mother. We have to go back
• 30:22
  to the island by that. Yeah, totally. It started as colon cancer,
• 30:26
  a person of interest about it, Yeah, and then it went to
• 30:32
  the brain. Oh no, he goes, He goes, his name is
• 30:33
  John. He's a very interesting person. Thank you for that information. As
• 30:41
  you can see, the orderlies form a very special bond with what do you
• 30:45
  think life is like? So boring? And the way he walks away,
• 30:49
  he like looks up and has an gaping mouth open, and he's like,
• 30:53
  I've just been condescended to by this dick doctor that I'm gonna kidnap. But
• 30:57
  I also feel like a person that obviously the code in the movie for this
• 31:03
  guy is this guy's weird somehow, and like the fact that he is weird.
• 31:08
  Makes it kind of like justifiable that it like in doing this series of
• 31:14
  tasks because he's almost like a useful idiot to Zepp or sorry t Tetoby,
• 31:23
  to jig Saw. It's almost like he's actually like jig Saw. That's why
• 31:27
  he says that's kind of him giving away because he's like been maybe using him
• 31:32
  to like make him like because who's drugging all these people, who's like carrying
• 31:37
  all these bodies around it? So like did he like somehow make this guy
• 31:41
  like like him a lot or something. No, he didn't. He poison
• 31:45
  him to plot, but how did he do that to him without if he
• 31:52
  was in the hospital. I have a lot of questions. Of course everybody
• 31:56
  does, dude, it makes no sense. But then then doctor Gordon,
• 32:00
  Doctor Gordon gets called in by by doctor Gooden. He totally is shaking.
• 32:08
  Why why did you come down to the station he's got He's just like the
• 32:15
  station, I'm afraid that's quite out of the question. And like the fact
• 32:21
  that this guy's being invested, he's taking it a little too lightly. Yeah,
• 32:24
  totally totally. I'm sorry. I can't I can't leave my work.
• 32:29
  It feels like somebody who doesn't know how a doctor speaks to people writing a
• 32:34
  script and also doctors speaking to people. I have to get back to my
• 32:37
  word, not to my patients. But I'm sorry, I have to get
• 32:39
  back to my work. Well, And like we later find out why he's
• 32:43
  so kg with everyone. He's got a big secret. But but he is,
• 32:49
  yeah, of course because they found the pen, my pen. Uh
• 32:52
  they found the pen at the crime scene of the guy who cut himself and
• 33:00
  then cut himself with a razor wire. And he's like, is this yours
• 33:02
  doctor? So do you think Zepp planted the evidence? Of course, of
• 33:07
  course, But then they they take him to the police station and he's like,
• 33:15
  and the lawyer, who seems like such a scum bag, It's like,
• 33:21
  look, if you can't be honest with me, how are you going
• 33:23
  to get out of this situation? It's like a very like like you know,
• 33:29
  he watched them all, like you as your lawyer and your friend,
• 33:37
  I think you better bite the bullet and tell the truth. This is the
• 33:40
  kind of conversations with his lawyer totally. And then he uh doesn't pay them,
• 33:46
  And then it cuts back to him and the like disgusting washroom, and
• 33:51
  he's like that was five months ago. Yeah, it's so kind of like
• 33:55
  the fact that he tried to set me up for murder. At first,
• 33:59
  there was a why didn't you think of all of this stuff right away?
• 34:01
  But the fact that it was five months ago, it's kind of enough to
• 34:04
  like forget that something happened that might be related to a thing, you know
• 34:07
  what I mean. So because at first I was like, well, wouldn't
• 34:10
  you know that, like you were, like you were under police investigation.
• 34:15
  Absolutely, yeah, totally, totally. This is over time. This is
• 34:20
  one of the most insane parts of the movie, just on like a practical
• 34:24
  reality level. It's like, well, let's take this one person that we
• 34:28
  suspected of murder and take them to a person who was traumatized in the most
• 34:36
  sane decisions like and insane. Hello Amanda man, but like hello, wait,
• 34:44
  hello brother, I just called to say, fuck, that was just
• 34:47
  for you. I was thinking about that joke all week, dude, combination
• 34:54
  the fucking business. No, man, go ahead and do it. Just
• 35:00
  tell Lawrence you could take my boot offices and I don't take the old feral.
• 35:05
  I wanted to say that this part of the movie functions really well,
• 35:10
  both as like a trailer to the movie, both as like a short story
• 35:15
  that the movie could be based on, the short film that got this movie
• 35:20
  made, okay, so like that feels like that's what it is. It
• 35:24
  feels like a short film within a film. And I think they did like
• 35:30
  such a seamless job with it that like it works really well to build like
• 35:37
  the believability of the movie so that when all of those like little reveals happen
• 35:42
  of like you have a bear reverse bear trap on your head that's gonna collapse
• 35:46
  open your jaw, which like is terrifying to think about. It's so scary,
• 35:52
  and it's like it's actually the perfect trap in my mind because it's really
• 36:06
  like based in like a real quote unquote reality that's like really fun and interesting.
• 36:12
  But at the same time, it seems realistic enough to be able to
• 36:15
  like, oh, you could probably get out of this, and realistic enough
• 36:17
  that it might be able to happen, like who knows, like someone could
• 36:21
  put her verse bear trap on you. Man. Her performance in the scene
• 36:23
  is amazing. It's just where she fucking like realizes the dudes alive and then
• 36:29
  it's like, no, I gotta fucking stab this dude. And save my
• 36:30
  own life. Uh, and then the who and this guy's probably some pa
• 36:35
  that they got on the set. He seemed like not a person that would
• 36:38
  be in this movie at all. And and get oh man, when she
• 36:44
  would get like, yeah, totally the way he gets she gets the trap
• 36:47
  off her and it's like perfect performance, and what's okay? Hold on because
• 36:54
  you didn't say a whole bunch of really cool things that happened. First of
• 36:58
  all, the twist spinning, the tone of this movie feels the tone of
• 37:01
  this mini movie feels different than the rest of the movie, which works really
• 37:05
  well for the movie. It feels kind of like X Files. The almost
• 37:07
  totally feels like X Files. And then yeah, so she like reveals slowly
• 37:14
  that she had to lift the shirt ups see a question mark on his stomach.
• 37:19
  Like she's also got track marks on her. Yeah, she's a heroin
• 37:21
  addict. Yeah, there's the spinning around her. There's like Curry music video
• 37:27
  getting up and the clock increasing, all of the things that kind of like
• 37:30
  off the setting the clock off by pulling the string off. That was great
• 37:36
  too. All of the things, all of these little things like serve to
• 37:39
  kind of increase your like fear and adrenaline. Even though you know she survives,
• 37:45
  you're like, how she gonna get out of this? Yeah, and
• 37:46
  like she doesn't get out of it in a good way because she murder totally
• 37:52
  traumatized, like has that Like the guy has a question mark on his stomach.
• 37:57
  It we're kind of led to believe that he's dead. Maybe from the
• 38:00
  tape maybe what is it? Like who, yeah, he's someone applies that
• 38:07
  she's she's dead or he's dead. There's a cun hiss stomach. You'll have
• 38:12
  to cut it, cut it for it or whatever. Man and the get
• 38:15
  goopy like taking all the entrails and trails out, but her getting out is
• 38:20
  such a like asshole d clenching scene because it is even watching it now,
• 38:24
  I was like, man, I remembers so intensely. And then and then
• 38:31
  the camertiez comes out on the tricycle. The billy the puppet comes out and
• 38:37
  he like puppet tears him to be like puppet has a name, yeah,
• 38:42
  Billy. It eventually comes that's later one dude, Yeah fuck it, put
• 38:47
  it up like puppet into the brim like bucket, shove it. Miss Piggy
• 38:52
  squeel like muppet. Fuck it bit you were like a puff like puppet put
• 38:58
  it up, like it's such a good puppet, Hello puppets, And it's
• 39:05
  it's fun to have like weird scary congratulations you're still alive. Most people are
• 39:13
  so ungrateful. I love I love it. I think that like it's such
• 39:20
  a gen X, it's late gen X. It's such a late gen X
• 39:22
  vibe of like people just don't value their lives. I know totally. They're
• 39:27
  they were just having a beer one night, dude, and they were like,
• 39:29
  people just don't value their lives, man. Yeah, And and I
• 39:31
  love the Most people are so ungrateful to be alive. But not you,
• 39:36
  not anymore. It's scary. That is, it is scary, and it
• 39:38
  does it makes you think because it makes it also doesn't put you necessarily in
• 39:44
  a position where you're like, oh, like my life isn't that much better?
• 39:47
  But she she's but like when that's what I mean, it's like,
• 39:51
  what are you doing to improve the material conditions of these people? But saw
• 39:54
  but also like when speaking of material conditions, when what's his name? Danny
• 40:00
  Glover is like are you grateful? Amanda? Like why would you ask something
• 40:06
  like that it's fucked. That was like, why me, why would Danny
• 40:10
  Glover ask her that? And then and then Danny Glover turned to and he
• 40:15
  like looks right at Lawrence. You could tell that Danny Glover would never ask
• 40:19
  that, and that he had trouble delivering the line because he was like,
• 40:22
  why would he ask that? Yeah, totally, Danny Glover's a smart guy.
• 40:25
  Yeah, he wouldn't like ask this traumatized a moment if but maybe the
• 40:30
  maybe the guy would, the cop would dude, yeah, this is crazy.
• 40:35
  He totally was. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then as the
• 40:39
  story comes to a conclusion, Lawrence is like, and that's that's the story.
• 40:45
  That's how it happened. And I know that you're the person who put
• 40:49
  me in here. Retelling a story that somebody else told you or that you
• 40:52
  heard from someone else is a real Like, that's why it makes sense that
• 40:57
  the tone of it feels different, Right, it's like a story with in
• 41:00
  a story. Yeah, it's a lot of really cool structurals things in the
• 41:04
  movie. It also does you're right, this this is also the same structure
• 41:07
  of Memento. Actually totally, yeah, Memento has this this like, oh,
• 41:13
  Nolan dude. Yeah, this is all like it feels this feels like
• 41:16
  the last gasp of like the possibility of a gen X or making a movie,
• 41:22
  like like a gen X youth, late stage gen X youth making a
• 41:25
  movie like this, like you can tell synthesized all the cool idea of the
• 41:30
  predecessors of their general what's the Robert Rodriguez bunch of filmmaking trying to make a
• 41:37
  movie for no money and like succeeding. Yeah, and like also like the
• 41:42
  last gasp of like someone being able to make money off of property like this.
• 41:46
  This guy's like a multi millionaire dude like James Wan and and and they
• 41:53
  like they created still work together. Yeah, they created an entire genre from
• 41:59
  this, I know, Like it's crazy and like all and like there's ten
• 42:02
  of these movies that we're gonna talk about, dude. Uh. And the
• 42:06
  great part about this scene too, is that throwing the saw at the mirror
• 42:10
  and then later on picking up the class and being like, God, get
• 42:15
  cut you. And then he realizes that it's a two way mirror because he
• 42:19
  picked it up. Does he threaten to cut doctor Lawrence? Yeah? How
• 42:23
  is he going to cut him? Well, he's just panic and why is
• 42:27
  he cut? Why does he want to cut him? Because he's like,
• 42:32
  oh, because he's freaking out because he told him the story about how he
• 42:36
  got caught, right, And he's like, I'm in the same position you
• 42:38
  are. Wait, so what what causes him to freak out? Though?
• 42:44
  Well, he he after Lawrence tells him the story about how they got there,
• 42:47
  he freaks out because he's like, how do I know you're not the
• 42:52
  oak? And then it pans I mean that's true. I would feel the
• 42:57
  same way, yeah, of course. But but also he's freaking out because
• 43:01
  we don't know yet that he's been taking pictures of Lawrence before. So he
• 43:08
  he's like, this guy's I've been following this guy. How do I know
• 43:12
  he's trying to revenge on me? Right? And it's like that's where trying
• 43:15
  to sus what he knows? Yeah, they both are. They both Yeah,
• 43:19
  absolutely, And then it pans out from a screen and you see the
• 43:23
  camera inside the washroom window that they break. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 43:29
  yeah, the two way mirror, and they're like, yo, fuck what
• 43:31
  what? What? What are they? It's funny because they're yelling all these
• 43:35
  things that they want to say at the person who's captured them and that person
• 43:38
  it's in the room dude, Yeah, totally. Oh and then we get
• 43:45
  sort of this uh like, oh, like you sound like you admire this
• 43:51
  guy. Well, I admire the ingenuity. And then like we get the
• 43:54
  setup of dian Off being like, Daddy, there's a man in my room.
• 44:00
  So there's a phone. How do we get to the phone? Was
• 44:04
  the phone in the phone? Was in the was the phone in the toilet
• 44:10
  bag? No? That's Oh that's the X marks the spot. How did
• 44:16
  we get We didn't get We didn't say how we got there yet though marks
• 44:21
  the spot hasn't happened yet. Oh what happened? Daddy? Oh? Did
• 44:25
  we we get the flashback? We get the flashback? Yeah, sorry,
• 44:29
  we get a flashback. Uh. And then we get you know, Diana
• 44:34
  and Ali like going to see doctor Gordon and he's still typing away at his
• 44:39
  computer. Oh man, this gave me such strogen energy. Not paying to
• 44:45
  his totally like just doesn't like in a way that like there they were hamming
• 44:53
  it up, for sure, but like but like happily ignoring his family nap.
• 45:00
  He seems pretty happy, dude. Yeah, I mean he's banging a
• 45:04
  lady whatever. They have an open relationship. Did you see how thirstily she
• 45:07
  looks at him in the scene? Oh yeah, totally before scene where she's
• 45:13
  like she's also a nurse or whatever. Yeah, yeah, she's a nurse
• 45:16
  and she's like thirsty looking at him as he's talking about and this cancer patient.
• 45:22
  Oh man, Yeah, these actors are terrible. These actors are terrible.
• 45:27
  The mom and the kid are terrible as like a family or whatever.
• 45:31
  But when they're scared, they're getting they're really really good. What's the mom's
• 45:35
  name? She's she's in so many No, what's what's her name? In
• 45:37
  real life? She's in so many this Lily actors. Oh totally, Yeah,
• 45:45
  Monica Polta, what has she been in? I don't know. Actually
• 45:49
  it's a good question. She's like when she's in Last House on the Left,
• 45:52
  She's in Patch Adams. That's definitely where we know her from. Along
• 45:57
  Came a Spider, a lot of like nineties Woman on the Phone. Yeah,
• 46:07
  totally, totally Woman on the Phone. She's really good. She is
• 46:14
  pretty good. She's really good in the movie. Like, she's memorable in
• 46:15
  the movie. I I yeah, Like she's definitely just relegated to woman on
• 46:20
  the phone. Yeah, definitely. It's like a lot of the writing around
• 46:22
  her is tough. I I feel like this is like a lot of the
• 46:30
  time watching this, I was like, this movie feels so much like it's
• 46:35
  written by twenty five year old because it was oh yeah, because there's just
• 46:37
  things that like they don't think of, like the way oh and then the
• 46:43
  dad comes and and then it's the mom guys, and like it just feels
• 46:46
  like it's it's written by person who hasn't had like a siious relationship yet or
• 46:52
  something like a young twenty five year old. Yeah, definitely, like somebody
• 46:57
  doesn't had to have like too many responsibilities. Yeah, now except for writing
• 47:01
  screenplays, dude, or like living in a shithole apartment and taking pictures of
• 47:06
  people for a living to totally. Now we get into the moment of doctor
• 47:12
  Gordon throwing Adam his wallet to look at it pictures of his family, and
• 47:17
  then he's like, oh, it's it's a picture that's in the back of
• 47:22
  that one. And then he he grabs the polaroid and that's where he finds
• 47:27
  out X marks the spot. Oh right, So yeah, Adams, sometimes
• 47:32
  you see more with your ash shut. So is that read in a voiceover?
• 47:38
  Yeah, it's kind of like an interesting choice to like keep like the
• 47:44
  sinister presence of Tobin Bell being all kind of seeing because it makes it feel
• 47:49
  like he's in the room with us, which he is, which is so
• 47:52
  like, it's cool that they did that. I think like it kind of
• 47:54
  like serves as like it's hidden in plain sight. But when it does happen,
• 47:59
  you're like, oh, because you are kind of expecting it. You
• 48:01
  know, you're you're expecting a twist at this point. Yeah, totally,
• 48:06
  totally. And then and then it's not here. What the picture that you
• 48:10
  said? It's not here? Do you think Ashton might have taken it?
• 48:15
  Do you think he does that on purpose to confuse him so that he and
• 48:21
  then he steals the picture and he hides it, right, he does,
• 48:24
  So he's hiding the information that X marks the spot and that the family is
• 48:29
  captured. Yeah, but and then all the but what's nice about this scene
• 48:36
  is you hear them find the picture. It cuts back to good doctor Gordon
• 48:42
  leaving, and then the kidnaps scene happens where they get kidnapped, and then
• 48:46
  it cuts back again to them being like tied up and oh man, when
• 48:52
  Psycho Zep is like pointing the gun at the little girl and like measuring her
• 48:59
  heart. Right, that was so weird, Like did that feel to you
• 49:01
  like kind of like sexual? Yeah, of course it was like like like
• 49:07
  a phallic intimidation, like a gun on like a little girl and a woman.
• 49:16
  It was like really and like they're both like completely tied up and completely
• 49:22
  helped us. Yeah, Like it feels kind of like almost like slightly wish
• 49:24
  fulfillmenty, like a torture porn esque kind of you know, like look how
• 49:32
  scared they are. Look how you know, because it's like it's a way
• 49:36
  to show extremeness on a small budget because it's just like someone terrorizing a woman
• 49:46
  and a child. Yeah, for sure. And then we get another pull
• 49:50
  out from a screen and it's delacious because it's sexual, but like only implied
• 49:53
  sexual because it's a gun, So it's it's like it's kind of like supposed
• 50:00
  work on a like subconscious level, right, probably, I think so.
• 50:04
  But then it zooms out from a camera and uh, we see Danny Glover
• 50:09
  watching Zepp, and Danny Glover is like, I'm waiting for the doctor to
• 50:15
  I see you, little man. Okay, So like the fact that he's
• 50:19
  like so convinced it is the doctor is a little weird. Like he's like
• 50:22
  he's obsessed with this case to the point that he's lost his job and he's
• 50:27
  living in his own shit hole apartment. But like across the h everybody is
• 50:31
  such a cross apartment in this also, like do they all just live across
• 50:36
  the three from each other? Like what's going on here? But he kind
• 50:39
  of like so Danny Glover like lives across the street from he's rented the ship
• 50:45
  ahole apartment across the street from uh the this like family residence, I guess,
• 50:52
  yeah, And he's Zepp convinced that the doctor is a killer. Still,
• 50:57
  what neighborhood does this surgeon live in? I don't know. I don't
• 51:00
  know. You have an alibi, doctor, But there's that wicked scene where
• 51:06
  Danny Glover turns to him and the car goes forward and it like cuts around
• 51:12
  Danny Clover and it has him disappear. It's very cool. It's such an
• 51:16
  innovative film. Yeah, they did a really good job. In fact,
• 51:21
  how did you guess Whenever they're in a car and the camera they're they're like
• 51:25
  the camera. If you notice the camera's actually the only thing moving. The
• 51:30
  car isn't moving. They're in a back background and people are shaking the car
• 51:34
  to make it seem like they're moving and moving lights because they just couldn't afford
• 51:38
  to shoot on the street because it's logistically really difficult. It's very difficult.
• 51:44
  It's a lot of setup, it's a lot of time. But like,
• 51:47
  what's cool is you? There's so many reveals in this movie because you still
• 51:51
  don't know that Singh is dead either, And that's the timeline ship where it's
• 51:58
  like it cuts to saying is that you should say? Is Danny Glover's partner?
• 52:02
  Ye? Ken, dude, Yeah he did. He definitely stole.
• 52:07
  He didn't steal. It was inspired by I think obviously inspired by even some
• 52:12
  of the angles he shot from. He's kind of got the oversized like half
• 52:15
  like some of these like shots seem like they're like straight up like taking from
• 52:20
  Yeah, and it's there. He's dressed in the same outfits. It's really
• 52:22
  cool and I think it's like super like omagy. It doesn't feel what I
• 52:28
  wish I could have lived, Like your job, the fuck you talking about?
• 52:32
  Do you hear me to tact. I'm trying to tell you how much
• 52:36
  I admire you, and you're pretty wide what Tracy, what fucking say?
• 52:45
  It's disturbing how easily a member of the press can purchase information from the men
• 52:50
  in your precinct. It feels like very very referential. So definitely. And
• 52:53
  but also what I like about their relationship is and what I like about the
• 52:58
  setups of their relationship ship is we set up Danny Glover as crazy, but
• 53:02
  we don't know why and we don't know when because that hasn't been revealed.
• 53:07
  But then as it cuts back to him obsessing over the case anyway, we
• 53:10
  see sing and he's like, Hey, I'm gonna go down to the grill
• 53:13
  and grab a beer, right, And he's like trying to like reach out
• 53:15
  to his partner and he's like, yeah, I don't think so thinks anyway,
• 53:20
  Yeah, he's they we show Danny Glover kind of like pulling away and
• 53:23
  becoming more unhinged. Yeah, for sure, And also like he feels he
• 53:30
  feels sad. He's like, well, you know, I'll always ask,
• 53:35
  you know, And then he's like, I'll leave you to have fun up
• 53:37
  here. It's like kind of nice. And then and then like later on
• 53:40
  in the copway, being like, man, maybe you can get a girlfriend
• 53:45
  sometime, and he's like and and he ignores him, which is cool,
• 53:50
  Like it's cool. But then they see they see that like graffiti or whatever
• 53:54
  that they saw in like another location, and they go and they run.
• 53:59
  Oh no. They also hear a thing on the recording that makes them think
• 54:06
  that to check when like certain like ambulances were going to Totally yeah, yeah,
• 54:13
  it's so so so because they have access to that information. And Dy
• 54:17
  Glover going yes, like in the most outrageous way. I loved it,
• 54:22
  dude, like he does. He does such a good job in this movie,
• 54:25
  Like man, Dandy Glover season Dude, like we've we've already done,
• 54:30
  Like, well, we haven't done, but it's been covered on our show.
• 54:34
  Danny Glover movie dude, ye Predator to which I think is like extremely
• 54:42
  underrated. Totally, I think it's an amazing movie. Yeah, it's I
• 54:45
  wish that we had talked about it and not other people. Where were we?
• 54:53
  They go to the dingy hangout of Jake saw h and they reveal that
• 55:04
  there's a whole bunch of traps set up that Jigsaw hasn't quite put into action
• 55:09
  yet. And I mean, really the question that I have to the question
• 55:16
  that I have for Jigsaw is are those individuals that did mean and bad things
• 55:22
  really the problem or is it the fact that you guys are all clearly have
• 55:25
  like a housing issue, and like all I've delivering. Although Tobin Bell has
• 55:31
  a lot of properties, he's he's a scum. He's like a lord.
• 55:37
  Tobin Belly is dude, That's what it is, Dude, Tobin Bell is
• 55:45
  a fucking landlord. Yeah. And he's taking advantage of the working class.
• 55:52
  Yeah, he's not improving their material conditions. In fact, he's putting them
• 55:55
  through torturous traps. For he's neo liberalism. He is incarnate. Yeah.
• 56:12
  And then we get that guy who played who was definitely in a Seinfeld episode,
• 56:15
  the bald guy, and he was uh ned Bellamy. He was also
• 56:22
  in uh what's it called? He was also in uh ed Wood? I
• 56:30
  remember him specifically from ed Wood. Great actor, really good job. And
• 56:37
  then he gets wait, who is Oh he has to get drilled yea,
• 56:42
  So like he gets revealed under like a tarp. And then they also find
• 56:46
  like, like we have to cover him, we gotta find chicksaw but also
• 56:52
  hold on, hold on, hold on, you gotta say the diddy Glovers.
• 56:54
  He's like a little uh like puppet trap or like, oh yeah,
• 57:00
  he sees the like diorama plan I'm planning, Yeah, which you know what,
• 57:07
  if you're an engineer, you probably do have to do ship like that,
• 57:09
  which is like a reveal because we don't know when these guys are trapped.
• 57:15
  So this was like him in the planning phase of that track, That's
• 57:17
  what. But that's what I mean. That's words like he has to like
• 57:22
  plan everything. But also they show the planning process and it's like goofy and
• 57:28
  weird, and but it would be goofy and weird. So let me ask
• 57:30
  you something. Yeah, if Jigsaw is neoliberalism, would you say that the
• 57:37
  missing piece isn't the neoliberalism? I think the missing piece of this puzzle is
• 57:45
  I guess, so, yeah, totally. Do They all also rent their
• 57:52
  respective apartments from He's actually their landlord that they've never met. Yeah, that's
• 57:58
  how he has all this information about the kind of said dude. But they
• 58:00
  were appliging for the apartments. He got their information to their sin numbers.
• 58:07
  But like the interesting thing about also like how well written the movie is,
• 58:15
  but also how corny the movie is. Where it's like he's like, I
• 58:22
  have the disease inside me eating away at me. It's like who are you
• 58:25
  talking to? Like why are you telling these cops? Like also like whispering
• 58:30
  clearly recorded at a studio, but like it's being played at like maximum volume.
• 58:37
  Whisper carries really well in the room. And then he shoots out his
• 58:43
  knife and cuts Danny Clover's throat. Oh dude, but I like the like
• 58:46
  slight slice of the throat, Yeah, total slices. Yeah, totally.
• 58:52
  And also that's why his voice has been like this whole time. Do you
• 58:55
  think that he's also recorded in his studios? His whisp were also curious?
• 59:00
  Do you think that like the guy who was trapped in the Seinfeld trap was
• 59:07
  like dead like and then when Sig goes to he's like goes to save Danny
• 59:15
  Glover but doesn't actually say if. He just pats him on the head and
• 59:19
  is like I'll be right back. Yeah. Well because but at this point
• 59:22
  I think Danny Glover is so obsessed with catching this guy that like I think
• 59:27
  it's a priority for him as well. Yeah, totally but they do this
• 59:30
  in such a way that like is so negligent and does result in the worst
• 59:36
  thing. Oh yeah, the thing gets killed, sing gets killed. The
• 59:39
  guy probably goes deaf, and then he goes to Chase and Danny Glover loses
• 59:45
  his job and gets his next list. Yeah totally, and as a cool
• 59:47
  scar and also an in story reason for having a raspy voice. Yeah,
• 59:52
  absolutely. But then what ends up happening is I think I'm pretty sure I
• 59:55
  heard this on the commentary, but it's James Wan who puts the suit on
• 1:00:00
  that that Tony Tony Lung ken Lung puts on and he actually gets shot in
• 1:00:07
  the head. How did you guess? How did you guess? But it's
• 1:00:12
  cool because I feel like he did kind of put himself in the movie casting
• 1:00:15
  an Asian guy, you know what I mean. It's like why not.
• 1:00:17
  It's it's odd when when he like he cast these two people and they feel
• 1:00:24
  like totally like real in the movie, he doesn't feel like it's it's like
• 1:00:30
  it feels like he put himself in it because he was like, I'm just
• 1:00:35
  gonna do it like a directorial flourish, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 1:00:37
  he sets up a trap for him to shoot himself in the brain,
• 1:00:44
  and then it cuts back to real time where Danny Glover is like looking through
• 1:00:47
  a screen, and then it cuts back to Zep and he's looking through the
• 1:00:51
  screen. And then eventually they figure out trying to help the two guys in
• 1:00:59
  the the toilet room trying to finally try and help each other, and he's
• 1:01:04
  like, but did you turn off the light? See what happens? And
• 1:01:07
  then they see I just have a feeling. I don't know totally, it
• 1:01:10
  is totally, but I love that the doctor Lawrence also knows that he's not
• 1:01:15
  smart enough to think of that on his own. Yeah, good questions of
• 1:01:19
  later. But yeah, So he smashes with the butt of the saw,
• 1:01:24
  the X marks the spot and he finds a case that has a single cigarette,
• 1:01:31
  has two cigarettes, two cigarettes. It has a piece of paper,
• 1:01:36
  and it has the cell phone and the bullet or bullet in the pocket.
• 1:01:44
  In the pocket, yeah, the single bullet that only doctor Lawrence has.
• 1:01:49
  And the gun is on his side too of the dead body. And then
• 1:01:52
  the note says doctor Gordon, the cigarettes are harmless. I promise I'm smoking
• 1:02:00
  is only poisonous. Cut this when it ends in bloodshed, so like,
• 1:02:07
  you don't need a gun to kill Adam. He wants him to, like,
• 1:02:12
  man, please have the cigarette. Please, you're gonna put something on
• 1:02:15
  the floor in your mouth. I'm gonna risk it. Second most beautiful invention
• 1:02:22
  never invented. I I love his reactions. He's very panicky and over the
• 1:02:29
  top, but honestly, like a twenty five year old, I believe it.
• 1:02:34
  Like it feels like the existential panic of X at the time. Yeah,
• 1:02:39
  totally like, and it feels like very much like it's It feels like
• 1:02:43
  it's a quarter life crisis to match the midlife prisis of the of the total.
• 1:02:52
  It feels such a good point. And they they're like mirroring each other
• 1:02:55
  at the same time because we're getting getting these parallel plots. It's what I
• 1:03:00
  am and what I could be. A dad with a kid who's bored and
• 1:03:05
  wants to cheat on his wife, or like a fucking loser midlife crisis guy,
• 1:03:12
  you know, yeah, and he or quarterlife crisis guy. Sorry,
• 1:03:16
  oh man, the feminist vegan punk that he did it. Of course he
• 1:03:20
  did, and of course she left him because he was toxic dud. Of
• 1:03:22
  course he got kids of course got Twitter. This dude was definitely gently canceled
• 1:03:30
  on Twitter. Yeah, totally lightly sup like there's like a divide in the
• 1:03:37
  local scene. Yeah, he was definitely some people. He was definitely thirty
• 1:03:42
  when he started going to warp Tour and it was like, oh dude,
• 1:03:45
  who you are? All man? Yeah, it wasn't like a local mainstay
• 1:03:51
  legend. He like joined in for a for the good times dude. Yeah,
• 1:03:57
  and uh so yeah, I think that I think that he I think
• 1:04:02
  that this movie is very much like a kind of like the last cry between
• 1:04:09
  that period and when like the older millennials started like making media and content.
• 1:04:15
  Right, I mean we were pretty young. We were like in our early
• 1:04:17
  like late teens, early twenties. It was twenty four. I was twenty
• 1:04:21
  four. It was two thousand and four, so I was I was twenty
• 1:04:25
  and I was sixteen sixteen. Yeah yeah, so that's like pretty young form.
• 1:04:30
  Yeah, we're like, yeah, we're the older millennials. Yeah that's
• 1:04:33
  true. But are you on your bastard? And then we did try tooth
• 1:04:44
  here like so hard? Well that's that is the idea. The whole idea
• 1:04:48
  is he's going to try the tooth, dude, yeah, yeah, no,
• 1:04:50
  I know, I know. And what's this? There's slow acting poison
• 1:04:55
  coursing through your veins and dude, do you think that if well he turn
• 1:05:00
  the doctor. Gordon doesn't want to kill him because of his oath to keeping
• 1:05:03
  people alive, and he's like, look, there's poison in his blood.
• 1:05:09
  Can you pretend? Can we for each movie come up with our own kill?
• 1:05:14
  Yeah? Sure, yeah, I'd be down because I have one for
• 1:05:17
  you. Nice, Okay, why don't you do one and I'll do the
• 1:05:20
  next one and then we'll flip back and forth. So so let me repaint
• 1:05:24
  the picture here. I'm gonna go this way. X marks the spot,
• 1:05:29
  close the lights, turn off, the same characters everything. He crushes the
• 1:05:35
  X once the light is dark, and takes out a box. Inside the
• 1:05:41
  box, it's all the same materials except for cigarettes. It's two viagras.
• 1:05:51
  You rep juse guns you can And then he like, there's like two viagras
• 1:06:00
  and I like, uh, there's some like twist ties or like hair bands
• 1:06:09
  on the floor that they have to put around their dicks so that they have
• 1:06:13
  those unhealthy four hour voters. Then and then and then, and then he
• 1:06:21
  messages them with another tape somehow, and he's like, they're selecting poison coursing
• 1:06:27
  through your voter veins. And then he's got poison in his boter and that's
• 1:06:34
  how he gets the poison into Adam. He has to fuck him to death,
• 1:06:40
  for sure. That's my that's my kill. Nice Adam spokes a cigarette
• 1:06:46
  and poorly act yes in like the most bugs Buddy Loody tunes kind of way.
• 1:06:54
  But then zep But then zep Uh apps him. Well, I don't
• 1:07:01
  think that zeb zeb So yeah, I think that it's to the bell.
• 1:07:05
  He Bell's got the clicker in the group. Yeah. How good a job
• 1:07:11
  is he doing acting dead here? Yeah? Oh he's amazing. He's got
• 1:07:15
  it's taste ten Tobin's dude. I mean, I would say it's the best
• 1:07:18
  performance. It's the best, dude. When I saw that the first time,
• 1:07:24
  I was like, oh, like I was like, dude, it
• 1:07:26
  was like amazing. It was like it was amazing watching at this time.
• 1:07:30
  It was amazing watching at this time, I was I it had been long
• 1:07:33
  enough that like I knew the twist, and I knew there was a twist,
• 1:07:36
  but I forget how the twist and how the twist is the best in
• 1:07:41
  this movie. Yeah, if you how the twist good, then then you
• 1:07:45
  make a good But yeah, when we get back to Adam's apartment and he
• 1:07:49
  remembers exactly how he got kidnapped, Adam for sure. But I like the
• 1:07:55
  scene because he takes his camera and the like flashing, Yeah, and that's
• 1:08:00
  it's a great setup for for like a scene and like how to have a
• 1:08:03
  good justified jump scare, because you're always in that mode when it's dark.
• 1:08:10
  It's like, ah, the jump scare, but it's never justified in a
• 1:08:14
  real way. No, But yeah, and the pig mask and then the
• 1:08:18
  man. I love the new metalness of the pig mask because it's like you
• 1:08:24
  can tell it's just aesthetic. You can tell it was just an aesthetic choice.
• 1:08:28
  You can tell it was a cheap choice, and like there's no real
• 1:08:31
  meaning behind it. It's kind of empty. It's completely empty. And like
• 1:08:35
  it's cool though, because it creates its own iconography that way, that's what's
• 1:08:40
  even better about it. You're absolutely right, it create It does create its
• 1:08:45
  own iconography because it doesn't need in world justifications, don't need it doesn't need
• 1:08:48
  to exist. But then later in the sequels, when in world justifications what
• 1:08:53
  happens. But yeah, then we go then we cut back to Diana and
• 1:09:04
  they get the call from uh, you know, the little girl and it's
• 1:09:10
  the bad man man man man that it's kind of scary, yeah, totally,
• 1:09:19
  and like the fact to add a little kid in it too as a
• 1:09:23
  little like sort of reminder of the little kid and all of us, and
• 1:09:29
  like anytime there's like a child involved in such a scary, traumatic situation,
• 1:09:38
  it's scary and it should be scary. And I think it serves to bring
• 1:09:43
  home that this is a really terrifying situation without like centering the kid, you
• 1:09:48
  know what I mean, It centers the the gen X worries, you know,
• 1:09:53
  totally totally. What's interesting about Ali is that she's like told, presumably
• 1:09:59
  by Zep, to be like tell him Adam if I ask him if Adam's
• 1:10:03
  there, and he's like Adam and then oh man, okay, and then
• 1:10:09
  don't believe his lies. Can I can I just say? Can I just
• 1:10:12
  say the how poorly okay, how poorly doctor Gordon handles the situation with his
• 1:10:25
  wife, and how fucking kind of cocked he is and how unable he is
• 1:10:33
  to help his family, and it's like a real terrifying gen X like midlife
• 1:10:41
  crisis moment of like, am I gonna be I'm in my thirties? Am
• 1:10:44
  I gonna be able to take care of my family? Am I gonna be
• 1:10:46
  able to work as a doctor? Like forties? For sure? But I
• 1:10:50
  think he's in his like early forties. Yeah, probably he's like he's gen
• 1:10:54
  X. He's he's late gen X of this time totally. And he's like
• 1:10:58
  and and and Adam is is he's young gen X at his time, Yeah,
• 1:11:01
  definitely, And and Gordon is going to become a you know, shitty
• 1:11:08
  troll on on Twitter of some kind. Adam is probably gonna be like Jimmy
• 1:11:13
  Door type left wing. You know, he's like hanging out with people that
• 1:11:19
  are like too young and like, you know, still doing all the things
• 1:11:23
  he couldn't do in his in his late twenties. Yeah, totally. But
• 1:11:28
  well, he initially was like Bernie bro and then got canceled and then was
• 1:11:32
  like, well, actually I'm a total right winger now now I vote for
• 1:11:38
  RFK. Yeah exactly, but vaccine, yeah exactly. He built his entire
• 1:11:44
  career on facts. He built his he built his YouTube career on on vaccine
• 1:11:51
  misinformation. But yeah, I love the scene because he finally confronts Adam and
• 1:11:57
  he's like, but he never notice that Gordon actually doesn't ever really lie too
• 1:12:03
  much about anything, because he immediately tells the what's his name Adam that like,
• 1:12:12
  she told me not to believe your lies? Who are you? No,
• 1:12:15
  Gordon doesn't mean keeping of his cards like to his chest. He's like,
• 1:12:18
  she told me not to trust you. It's like that's exactly not the
• 1:12:21
  thing to say to a person you don't trust. Yeah, totally, he
• 1:12:25
  like that's what I mean. Dude, He like mishandles everything with his wife,
• 1:12:30
  like he's just in a panic the entire time. It's like, to
• 1:12:33
  me, it's like showing a real kind of like terrifiedness with like the approaching
• 1:12:39
  this like part of your life of like it's like a nexus in your life
• 1:12:43
  of like is this it is this all that's left totally totally and going into
• 1:12:47
  this poor woman's taking advantage of this poor woman who he's sleeping with, and
• 1:12:54
  like this dingy ass apartment that she lives into. Everything's a set in this
• 1:12:59
  movie. Oh yeah, yeah, there's no locations, no locations and everything's
• 1:13:02
  just said, which is really cool. It's cool. It it gives upon
• 1:13:08
  gives it a kind of even more surreal quality. Actually it does. It
• 1:13:12
  gives it a more surreal quality, and it like it kind of like justifies
• 1:13:15
  like you're like, intuitively, as a lions Gate movie watcher, You're like,
• 1:13:20
  I am gonna get less in this. Yeah, and that's okay.
• 1:13:26
  I'm gonna snow piercer this and the outside is gonna be cg Yeah, totally.
• 1:13:31
  And then we get like all this flashbacks start kind of connecting in an
• 1:13:34
  interesting way. Adam's actually taking a picture of Adam's actually taking a picture of
• 1:13:43
  doctor Gordon in the like when he's leaving the girl's house. Yeah, it
• 1:13:49
  kind of like starts to like intermingle really nicely here, and like we're getting
• 1:13:54
  reveals of both of these guys a little bit more. And it's cool.
• 1:13:59
  It's cool for like because it doesn't like doles out the reveals consistently. It's
• 1:14:06
  consistently revealing things about everyone so that when there is a final reveal, it's
• 1:14:13
  very exciting, yeah for sure. And then and then like the first reveal
• 1:14:16
  sort of happens of like I don't know, and he's like, you must
• 1:14:19
  know what is something about him? He's a tall black guy, right,
• 1:14:25
  And then I was like, wouldn't you say that? Wouldn't you say that?
• 1:14:28
  Wouldn't you say that? It was scar across his neck? Like if
• 1:14:30
  if there was a guy who looked like Danny Glover, I know who who
• 1:14:33
  who like paid me and someone asked me what he looked like, I'd be
• 1:14:38
  like, well, he's got a big scar on his neck and he's a
• 1:14:42
  big, tall black guy with a deep, raspy voice. Yeah, Like
• 1:14:45
  if there's no like, the guy stands out so much, that's why he's
• 1:14:48
  an actor. He stands out so like it's like, I don't know,
• 1:14:53
  what do you mean? You don't know? You don't And then even the
• 1:14:58
  question, like even the question I think you're right about the gen X shit
• 1:15:03
  because like he really does, like he's like, how did I get here?
• 1:15:06
  Like it really does feel like a quarter life crisis, dude writing what
• 1:15:11
  a midlife crisis might feel like, not understanding what a midlife crisis would feel
• 1:15:15
  like totally, and like misunderstanding things about his own position too totally. It's
• 1:15:20
  a very it's a very youthful, youthful movie. I remember there was a
• 1:15:24
  youthful energy behind it when it came out too, it felt like it's like,
• 1:15:28
  oh man, so like it's like it did feel like someone was speaking
• 1:15:30
  for us, ye for us. Yeah. And you know Diana and and
• 1:15:40
  Ali are you know, trying to escape and stuff like that. But like,
• 1:15:46
  dude, like these guys struck gold with this. Oh yeah, to
• 1:15:50
  do something like this and to make such a big cultural impact that like it's
• 1:15:55
  sequalized immediately and there's like such an energy about it. Dude is worth like
• 1:16:00
  fifty five million dollars. Lee is worth fifty five million dollars. Yeah,
• 1:16:04
  dude. And then he sees he finally pulls the last photo and it's a
• 1:16:09
  zepp uh and Lee one l is like, oh no, we're out of
• 1:16:14
  time. Look, and then Zep goes to run to kill both of them,
• 1:16:19
  I guess uh. And then Ali and Missus Garden, Missus Garden,
• 1:16:30
  they both start to try and escape, uh, and you know they're fighting
• 1:16:34
  with each other and they he gives her the phone and like she calls Ali
• 1:16:40
  Ali. Oh man, his performance is so outrageous but also amazing. Look
• 1:16:46
  to me. To me, the ultimate gen X moment is when he does
• 1:16:50
  finally build up the courage to do something. Yeah, he fucks all of
• 1:16:56
  it up so royally and like he's just dead, and it's it's almost like
• 1:17:00
  like there's almost like it's a bleak movie. It's a bleak movie too because
• 1:17:06
  of the fact that and the last the fuck ups add credibility to the rest
• 1:17:12
  of the traps too, because it's like, oh, because this wasn't really
• 1:17:15
  the way it was supposed to unwind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
• 1:17:18
  not the way his life was supposed to go to totally. And then and
• 1:17:21
  then Danny Glover hears the gun shot from Zep and runs in and saves both
• 1:17:26
  of them. And then oh man, doctor Gordon be crying on the phone
• 1:17:32
  as he hears the gunshots happening and stuff. But he's just like yeah,
• 1:17:38
  and like, yeah, there is this real sort of like pounded into submission
• 1:17:43
  he is where it's like he literally can't do any anything but be a sniveling,
• 1:17:47
  crying ass on the phone. You know, you sniveling ass. Oh,
• 1:17:51
  speaking of Next Time, the sequel for I think it was the third
• 1:17:58
  one because it came out the same a mirror as there will be blood.
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  Oh, yes, there will be blood. Like a bis the first barbar
• 1:18:08
  the first because they really did. And then doctor Gordon gets electrocuted and he's
• 1:18:16
  like this, see I wasn't lying in the same random that young jen X
• 1:18:25
  was trying to prove that they were cool to the older Jena totally totally,
• 1:18:30
  dude, because this movie is trying to prove to older gen X that young
• 1:18:32
  gen X is cool. Totally totally. Oh, and then Zep gets into
• 1:18:40
  the like braw sewage plant. I guess that this is in uh and the
• 1:18:45
  phone is ringing and you know he Zep is getting followed by what's his name
• 1:18:55
  Danny Glover and Adam is like pathetically like like standing around because he doesn't know
• 1:19:01
  what to do. Oh, that was my favorite party, the like pathetic
• 1:19:04
  standing around not knowing what to do. It's a real like vulnerable child kind
• 1:19:10
  of moment. Like they like all of these movies are kind of like the
• 1:19:15
  reason they work so well is because they function on this like premise that you're
• 1:19:19
  feeling something being in a situation aka life that you don't know what to do
• 1:19:26
  exactly, and like you're faced with all of these like random seeming scary choices.
• 1:19:31
  It really is the kind of bow is afraid of its time. Yeah,
• 1:19:34
  no, I think that, Oh sorry, go ahead, finish it.
• 1:19:40
  Yeah, I think that. Like there's something that really like struck me
• 1:19:43
  about, like just like that moment where you see Adam kind of like like
• 1:19:47
  pull in his shoulders like a child would and just like not know what to
• 1:19:51
  do. Yeah, totally, and him being like that's okay, don't do
• 1:19:56
  it, and then Gordon being like, like this part was my favorite because
• 1:20:01
  like because like it's it's such the culmination of everything, and you know as
• 1:20:06
  soon as you see the saws that someone is gonna saw through their leg,
• 1:20:11
  you know that someone is gonna do that, and you know it's probably gonna
• 1:20:14
  be the surgeon, so like to see I wasn't lying. See he ties
• 1:20:23
  himself off with his shirt in a crazy haphazard way, like he's not even
• 1:20:27
  doing it well, he's just like throwing it together. And he's like because
• 1:20:30
  he will lay that phone and and like and he like saws through his leg
• 1:20:35
  it like cleavers all this like blood onto his face. I'm just using that
• 1:20:42
  because of watching from the Fake Saw movie and Sopranos clever and he is goes
• 1:20:53
  towards the gun loads it shakily just no, no. But while while Danny
• 1:20:59
  Glover is caught zep And and is like trying to get him to shoot himself,
• 1:21:03
  but then ends up shooting himself instead of zep And it's kind of real
• 1:21:08
  Greek tragedies, totally totally, and and and Gordon being like, I'm sorry,
• 1:21:15
  it's just like doesn't want to kill him, but he's very you have
• 1:21:20
  I'm sorry, I want to live my family howe. Yeah, totally.
• 1:21:30
  It's totally happy Halloween. I mean that's why Daddy Glovers. Yeah, totally.
• 1:21:35
  And then uh, the like next door neighbors or whatever, we're taking
• 1:21:40
  care of the family and they hug each other or whatever. And then Zep
• 1:21:45
  being like being like coming in and Gordon being like, not kill you,
• 1:21:51
  I'll fucking kill you. It's amazing because it's like he is filled with a
• 1:21:57
  passion and a rage. But then the gun trying to get the gun that
• 1:22:00
  has no bullets in it. That's what it is. It's such a metaphor.
• 1:22:02
  He's got he's literally like got nothing, he's got no emmo left,
• 1:22:08
  he's he's nimed himself. Literally, he's cut his own appendage off. If
• 1:22:13
  there's something very also kind of like uh sadly like psychological about it is that
• 1:22:20
  he cut part of himself off. It's his own fault that he's in this
• 1:22:27
  mess, that he was in there. That's why it's like you always leave
• 1:22:32
  it's gen X, It's sorry, it's it's it's boomers teaching us lessons,
• 1:22:35
  dude, because Tobin Bell is the boomer teaching us all. Yeah, he's
• 1:22:40
  the smartest one, the greatest generation. He Dude, he's the fucking the
• 1:22:45
  wolf in this one. Yeah, yeah, totally, he's fucking what's his
• 1:22:49
  face? Yeah, Harvey K I tell you're too late. Why it's the
• 1:22:58
  rules? Oh my god, dude, I couldn't wait too late. Why
• 1:23:06
  it's the rules? And then Adam grabbing him and pantheon, Pantheon its holes,
• 1:23:13
  and then and then like wrestling down Zep and taking the toilet lid that
• 1:23:16
  he took off earlier, then smashing the heart. Dude, follow he followed
• 1:23:21
  his heart all the way to bashing his He bashed his face, and dude,
• 1:23:26
  he meloshed his face into the ground, and I wonder what the puddle
• 1:23:30
  of the face looked like, dude, but they showed like he literally went
• 1:23:33
  to town dude, I love and the breaking the top piece of it,
• 1:23:38
  because you can imagine what mush is last. Yeah, totally, you're gonna
• 1:23:43
  be all right. You're just wounded in his shoulder. Okay. So the
• 1:23:45
  fact that he like shoots him, do you think he was trying Do you
• 1:23:49
  think he was trying to kill him? No, I think he was trying
• 1:23:53
  to trick him. He was trying to He's still trying to keep I think,
• 1:23:57
  I think. And then when Zep walks in, he thinks it worked.
• 1:24:00
  Yeah, that's what it is. He thinks it worked. Yeah,
• 1:24:03
  totally. He kissed his sister. He totally kissed the sister. I'll bring
• 1:24:09
  somebody, don't worry. And it's like, don't leave me, please,
• 1:24:12
  don't lave me, just like we're gonna be okay. I wouldn't lie to
• 1:24:16
  you, And he kind of doesn't lie through throughout the movie. That's just
• 1:24:19
  like young millennials don't want us to let them go. He doesn't want older
• 1:24:26
  gen X to let him go. Yeah. Yeah, and then he's like
• 1:24:30
  a key a key, And then he finds the tape from Zepp and he
• 1:24:35
  puts the tape into the tape recorder and it's like Hello, sup, I'd
• 1:24:39
  like to play a game, and it's like, you're a fucking looser that
• 1:24:43
  walks around and no one cares about I can rediculate you into doing things for
• 1:24:46
  me. I mean, here's what's what's awesome about this is that you almost
• 1:24:50
  up letting people walk all over you right after you help me out with the
• 1:24:54
  couple. That totally totally. But what's awesome is is the slow moving poison
• 1:24:59
  in his veins allows you to be like, oh, man, like Zep
• 1:25:02
  is also a part of the game, and like there are rules. It's
• 1:25:06
  the rules. I mean, Tobin Bell is part of the game, dude,
• 1:25:10
  dude. And then when dude, when Toby, when the camera goes
• 1:25:13
  all the way around and you see Tobin Bell get up, I was like,
• 1:25:17
  oh yeah, it really on the bad guys and I'm the bad guys
• 1:25:26
  does in such a good better way than I'm the bad guy. Totally.
• 1:25:30
  And then when he takes off the makeup, the hours of makeup that he
• 1:25:33
  went through, do you think that he got Zepp to do the like blood
• 1:25:40
  pools like not like that. It doesn't look good enough. Step, Yeah,
• 1:25:45
  do you think he was like totally like not like that, not like,
• 1:25:48
  that's it's gotta look better. So it's totally not like that. I
• 1:25:54
  can't I can't wait until you get to the s equals where they dress him.
• 1:25:57
  Oh my god, I can't wait, dude. They dressed down old
• 1:26:00
  Tobe and Bell to look younger. They read, Oh they like how you
• 1:26:04
  do fellow children? Yeah, totally. The key to your chains is on
• 1:26:10
  a chain in that, and he the reveal that, Yeah, his name
• 1:26:17
  is John. He's a very interesting person. I'm sick with a disease.
• 1:26:24
  We're really met a part in this movie. Another really postmodern young gen X
• 1:26:29
  postmodern element of this movie is the like screaming into the credits as slowly fading
• 1:26:34
  out is so like existentially terrifying, like yeah, we're left in this ship.
• 1:26:42
  Actually yeah, yeah, you're gonna be left screaming through life like this.
• 1:26:45
  It's interesting. It's interesting on that kind of like terrifying existential horror level.
• 1:26:53
  Yeah, totally. And then the line again, most people are so
• 1:26:57
  ungrateful to be alive, but not now, not you, not anymore,
• 1:27:01
  and then closing the door and the game over. Dna non dond nod.
• 1:27:12
  It was amazing good, It was amazing, Like this movie is amazing.
• 1:27:15
  So how many hack saws would you give it? How many hack saws would
• 1:27:19
  you give? Tobin Bell? Fucking TENU attended? I'm given this movie.
• 1:27:25
  I'm giving this movie nine out of ten, just as like a unique voice,
• 1:27:30
  unique horror movie built an entire fucking genre behind it. Some of the
• 1:27:34
  other one's better, dude, No, okay, yeah, because I really
• 1:27:39
  I don't think any of them could be better than this, Like it's such
• 1:27:41
  a novel idea. This one's too it's too rocky one, it's two first
• 1:27:46
  Blood. Are there any Freddy threes? Oh, there's plenty of Freddy threes.
• 1:27:51
  There's plenty of threes, you know. Don't do me like that.
• 1:27:55
  I'm just saying that, like in terms of you know, in terms of
• 1:28:00
  like the the original really has to like it takes a lot to do this
• 1:28:09
  kind of movie, you know what I mean, And like the rest of
• 1:28:11
  them have lore and stuff. Oh wait, I think I misinformationed. I
• 1:28:15
  think this movie actually came out in two thousand and three, so I do
• 1:28:17
  think it is twenty years ago. I do want to check. I think
• 1:28:20
  I think I think maybe the theatrical release might have been two thousand and three,
• 1:28:27
  But I think it might have been actually two thousand and four. It
• 1:28:32
  says two thousand and four on on Netflix. Came out Halloween two thousand and
• 1:28:41
  four, and then every subsequent Halloween after that. What about you, Yeah,
• 1:28:49
  I think you know, I gotta give it ten out of ten.
• 1:28:53
  Like the twist worked really well. It's a it's a movie that's really exciting
• 1:28:57
  because it's everyone working on it. This is when movie making is really exciting
• 1:29:03
  because you can tell that everyone was working at the top of their game and
• 1:29:08
  even though like there was like a real budget deficit, there was like a
• 1:29:13
  real willingness to make this like something special and cool. So it's exciting for
• 1:29:17
  that reason. It falls short in some ways just because it feels like it
• 1:29:23
  is really written by a young person. But it's also in a way very
• 1:29:28
  insightful unintentionally, so it kind of like it like it's like unintentionally elevated by
• 1:29:36
  like an older person giving a lot of younger giving a lot of credit to
• 1:29:43
  a younger person's ideas, you know what I mean? Yeah, yes,
• 1:29:46
  exactly, Like, oh, young people think this, and it's not like
• 1:29:51
  I'm not trying to be condescending, but it feels very much like a first
• 1:29:55
  movie idea too, where it's like, you know, you could tell that
• 1:29:59
  they had it much younger, but they were able to make it when they
• 1:30:02
  were twenty five finally, and they did such a great job that they actually
• 1:30:06
  fucking really elevated it because they touched on some existential things that they hadn't even
• 1:30:13
  had the like age or insight for, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:30:16
  in a way, you know, like they haven't been through the ship of
• 1:30:19
  life. Maybe they have. I don't know, I don't know these people,
• 1:30:21
  but like and like in a way, they actually because they made this,
• 1:30:28
  they were able to avoid the trappings they were scared of in their lives,
• 1:30:30
  you know, like they were able to become like professional artists who are
• 1:30:35
  like functioning at the top of at the very top of their like professional game,
• 1:30:40
  right and still work together. So that's a real testament to the team.
• 1:30:44
  So I think, like because of all of those things, it's like
• 1:30:46
  the little engine that Could or whatever, you know, it's like it's like
• 1:30:50
  better despite some of its failings. So I have to give a ten out
• 1:30:55
  of ten because like it's a triumph. It's a real time maybe all give
• 1:30:58
  it a ten out of ten. As well. It did. It reaches
• 1:31:00
  for the stars and like catches him. Yeah yeah, you know in a
• 1:31:03
  moment, like he like totally you know, he kissed his sister. You
• 1:31:06
  know, like he like he doesn't become Quentin Tarantino, but he comes lee
• 1:31:12
  whatever. You know, like who's still directing movies? You know, he's
• 1:31:15
  not Quentin Tarantino, but you know a movie gets released every year that gives
• 1:31:21
  him a bump that allows him to buy another you know, fucking also allows
• 1:31:27
  him to do stake in surviving the climate crisis. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:31:30
  I mean James One, like that dude like directed a fast and furious movie.
• 1:31:35
  He's directed, Uh, he directed Aquaman. He worked to some gigantic
• 1:31:41
  budget movies and they were very successful. Yeah, and then he gets to
• 1:31:45
  do like weirdo horror movies like Malignant, which is also feels like this movie
• 1:31:50
  but like twenty years later. Yeah yeah, so like you know, like
• 1:31:55
  yeah, fuck yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy for these guys made it
• 1:31:59
  man, and they did a great job. And now I'm excited to like,
• 1:32:03
  like, any movie that starts a world that has continued this long,
• 1:32:09
  it's got to be worth like a ten out of ten yeah, you know,
• 1:32:13
  like maybe not, but you know to someone and like, I'm excited
• 1:32:16
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• 1:32:19
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• 1:32:51
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