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#92 - Alex Jagger: Formula Drift Pro Spec Driver · After-Hours with Faction! Motorsports

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Welcome back to another episode of After Hours Podcast at
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Faction Motorsports. Guys, before we even get into
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this episode, I just want to explain that we are redoing the
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background noise on the intro and outro, but the podcast
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should be fine. So on this episode we had Alex
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Jaeger in the house. He's a good friend of mine, a
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club loose driver. He's been drifting at Raceway
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Park since 2014 I believe and now he's drifting with with
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Well, welcome everybody to the Faction After Hours podcast.
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We're here to bring you another episode.
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Tonight we have another guest. We have Alex Jaeger, Formula
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Drift Pro, Spec driver, Englishtown gambler, winner for
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a couple times. Yeah, four times.
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God damn. I know some for the rest of us,
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but thank you for coming on. You're a busy guy.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.
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Of course, thanks for having. We were just rolling
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conversations just now. Yeah, like all the good
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contents, we might as well just go home, yeah.
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See ya we're. Done.
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We're done. Sorry guys, quick episode.
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Thank you so much. But no, really, that's.
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We were supposed to do 2 podcast today.
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Yeah, but we were working on the dude.
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I mean, Alex, you've seen the shop in there, he said.
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It looked like a bomb went. Off.
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Yeah, before we even get started, my hands are covered in
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dirt paint. I'm I don't want to hear No.
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Bullshit that people are going to judge.
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You for I know they're going to judge me because I'm covered in
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dirt. I'm judging you because you got
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a Starbucks coffee and he's got a Red Bull.
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And you're. No respect around that.
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You don't see the hat? That is crazy one.
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Time I had. Three Nos energies in a day.
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I've never felt better than that I.
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Promise. You Alex is going to work on
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that non sponsorship for us. So we'll be we'll be hearing
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about that later. Dude is right, right, right.
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Direct, to the point. You can't even just just just
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enjoy the company, this guy. You know, everyone's always
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trying to get stuff out, yeah. That's insane.
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Well thank you for coming on the pod.
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You're you're a pro spec driver. You drive the 370Z the yeah.
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It's a 370Z, yeah. Why?
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I don't know. I'm.
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Interested because I don't know shit about.
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It we just had a long conversation about VR38 and how
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good of a motor. That is, I kept hearing that so.
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Do you know what a VR38IS? Yeah.
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I sure hope so. You have a GTR inside your.
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Shop. That thing?
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Well, not with the one with the VR.
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Yeah, we really don't work on those things often, but.
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Well, what shocked me was earlier we're talking about how
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you don't have a laptop and Alex just goes well, dude, the VR is
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so reliable. I don't even It's really even
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bring one. It's like, all right, so I did
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two years on a completely stock VR38 that never had a single
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issue. Like, I never for two years.
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I never like plugged a single computer into it.
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I didn't even change the spark plugs.
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All I do is change the oil and like dry it and it it was at
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like 600 something wheel horsepower on MAS Dino, but we
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kept the torque pretty low because of the stock rods and
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stuff like that. Now it's a totally different
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animal. Now it makes considerably more
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horsepower. It's probably.
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Does that thing have? So now, yeah.
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Well, actually I guess before, before we even.
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Well, it's a it's it's a long conversation, but yes, we have a
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lot of time, right? So what we use to make a GTR
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motor VR38 fit in a 370Z or Nissan Z like Forsberg uses is
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it's dry sumped. So as you all know like a GTR is
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all-wheel drive. So the all-wheel drive unit runs
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through the oil pan which makes the motor really tall.
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So like if you want to retain the wet sump system that stock,
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you have to fit that whole set up into an engine Bay.
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Turns out doesn't fit very well into AZ at that point because of
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all that, That has to be cut off.
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So we cut 4 1/2 inches off the bottom of the oil pan.
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Actually, pretty much the whole oil pan gets cut in the front.
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How big is the oil pan that you're already cutting?
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4 There's some. It's 4 1/2 inches tall.
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It's the whole thing, so up until the bottom of the crank.
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And then we have a custom daily engineering.
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You know, I guess it would be called like an oil pan, but it's
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like this billet plate that bolts up and that's what
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supplies for the dry some. So that is when it was stock.
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That's really the only major modification that was done to it
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because mainly just to fit it. Trust me the the dry some setup
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in my FD car at the time cost more than the motor.
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Like the dry some setup was $8000 and the motor was 7.
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I was about to make a joke, like, yeah, it's just a minor
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minor modification. Well, because you don't really
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need it. You just did it because you
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couldn't fit the engine. Yeah, like we weren't planning
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on doing it and then because it's just we're trying to save
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money to make this happen like anyone who's trying to get into
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FD. And I brought the motor I I
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drove to Massachusetts, we dropped this motor out of a like
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wide body Liberty walk style GTR.
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The guy was putting in like a built motor so he sold me his
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stock motor. It was powder coated purple,
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which is. Pretty funny.
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Blue car, you know, I had a purple car.
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It was black. So I still like, dude.
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I still talk to me all the time on Instagram.
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Like it like every almost every month I talk to him on
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Instagram. The guy was so nice.
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That's insane. Like, he just parted out like a
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UTR. Yeah, Wow.
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Yeah, so he dropped, put it in the bed of my truck, drove it to
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Maryland for MA Motorsports to try to fit it.
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And he tried, like Brian tried for a little while to make it
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fit with the wet sump and then it would it just wouldn't work.
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There was just no way. So the car, the chassis that I
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bought used, which actually used to be Stoneback's.
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Funny enough, not the one you competed in, FD.
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I'm trying to, yeah. Now I'm like.
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It's a it's a car that he bought from Brian.
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This is we're getting into a crazy conversation.
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This is getting way off. We can get back into the history
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of my car already. We can get way back my car.
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Just have a IndyCar motor in it. Funny enough.
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Hell, yeah, that's that's that's before I had it.
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So it was set up for dry sump already because of the the VK 45
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that it had in. It all the like stuff in the
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back and. It had the the tank already set
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up, it had the enclosure, it had all that.
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All we had to do is get the pan and the pump and make lines but
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all the other stuff the chassis wise was done.
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So we did the try some setup and then Darren who was one of like
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Forsberg's crew guys he's blood master.
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He built the custom tubular manifold so mine are hand me
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down manifolds that Chris used to run which moves the turbos in
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front of the motor because they don't fit behind the motor.
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Also with how the motor sits, the motor is like cylinder one
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is behind the strut tower and the whole motor is is below the
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strut towers. So that's how far back and low
11:01
we fit that where. Does the motor end?
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Is there a custom like little divot there for you to bring it
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back that far? No, just against the fire.
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Well, so 370Z's have like a secondary firewall.
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It's really just like a heat shield.
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But we cut all that out, so that's all gone.
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And then there's also like a little chassis support that we
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notch. So the motor sits all the way
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against the factory firewall and really like.
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Right as that that final barrier before your feet like type of
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deal. Oh yeah, it's right there.
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So that's really the only major modifications that it had for a
11:32
while besides running like a Link ECU and running Bosch
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throttle bodies rather than the GTR throttle bodies, just
11:39
because it's easier for wiring reasons then now the motor is
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it's geometry, Like geometrically is a fancy word
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identical to Forsberg's ultimaniac.
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Similar it shares the most logic with that actually doesn't share
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a whole lot with Forsberg's FD car.
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He's got some really fancy parts I was going to.
11:57
I get a lot of the hammy down ones, but they work good so.
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Is the, is. There some parts being the same.
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Yeah, so all the cars, I mean, they're all so similar that they
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think the cams are just like a different brand.
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And he gets nicer stuff in his heads, like mine is different.
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It it depends, right, on what we use.
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But we tested, which has proven to be insane.
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We've learned my car has, like, these prototypes.
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We should probably cut this part out.
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My car has Prototype CP and Carrillo Pistons and rods, so I
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wanted to make sure that I wasn't wrong on that.
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All right? So I was like, crap, don't say
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something wrong. I'm always like, super.
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God forbid you say something wrong.
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Yeah, I'm just kidding. So my car has prototype, CP and
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Carrillo Pistons and rods in it that no one could get Up until
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now for GTRS because we didn't really.
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Chris didn't want to gamble on something that they didn't know.
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And then for me it was different.
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I kind of helped develop things. It turns out that they've been
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amazing, like my motor has been insane.
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It did a whole season last year. I'm running it again for another
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year. All I'm all I'm doing is
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changing the oil and spark plugs and running it again like a
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compression test Fine. It leaked down test fine.
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It has Tommy cams that are hanging downs from Chris's and
13:12
then the heads are completely built.
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So it is a different motor. It could handle probably 2000
13:16
plus horsepower if if it wanted to.
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What the fuck it right now? What the fuck?
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2000 horsepower, yeah, that those are like that.
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Those are video. Game numbers.
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Yeah, it's pretty like that's what the Ultimaniac Chris's car
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can make if he wanted it to. There's no point.
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But like, The thing is like, it chills at like 1300 wheel.
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It's like that's just like it's fun map.
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So he's on much bigger turbos than me, but I was.
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Going to ask what Turbos? Are I'm on G 25-6 sixties two of
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them so on 15 lbs on MA's Dino it made 740 wheel and it's on 24
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now I've. Never so good.
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Yeah, I've never put it on the Dino since we've turned the
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power up, but comparable. Chris's car is like a little
14:02
over 1000 wheel and his setup's a little basically the same and
14:06
his car was on like 30 something pounds, so it's probably like
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900 ish wheel horsepower right now.
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Yeah, give or take. And it makes it like that, like
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the car is full torque at like 3000 something RPM full boost at
14:18
3000 something like it just hits and.
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These are such crazy numbers. Like we you're probably the
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maybe the second person who's been able to talk to a third,
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third person. We don't have many people.
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In here, with this, with that, with kind of that kind of
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access. So these numbers are just
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baffling me a little bit. I'm like.
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Carl, it's like, I can't wait for 300 horsepower.
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Dude, I literally just want to remember 50 so badly, dude.
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Like, I'm just such a fucking nerd.
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I need that really bad. But 30 lbs On both?
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Like turbos. What?
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What makes these? What makes that G Series Turbo
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so good? That's a good question.
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I wish. Everybody.
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Loves it. That's what's so what's funny,
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right? Like AG Two, we were just
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talking about this. Crazy.
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Yeah. When they're in their range,
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it's nuts. Like when we when we were on
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spring pressure on 12.5 lbs, it made 640 wheel.
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We went from 12.5 lbs to 15 lbs and it went from 6:40 to 740.
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It gained 100 wheel horsepower, going up 2 1/2 lbs of boost
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because it came into its range. What?
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What is this? Because below 15 lbs was not in
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its range. And then once you get above like
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30 something or whatever it just now it's all blowing hot air for
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my size turbo. You can get a bigger turbo and
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it's different. What do you mean by its range?
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Like, it's I'm definitely not an engineer, but neither.
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Am I the way that I? Explained to me the way that I
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understand it is that they that turbo has a a designed range
15:43
where it is the most efficient, where it's making the most like
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volume and not generating the the most heat.
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So in that range of what it's intended to do is where it's can
15:52
make the most power when used properly.
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There's a lot of variables there but you get my point.
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So the G series have been nuts. Like I I just put AG 3770 on my
16:03
S13 which is a Jay-Z which I haven't tuned it yet, but I'm
16:07
really interested to see how that works out compared to the
16:10
TELME Turbo that I used to run we were just talking about
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earlier. The magic.
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One Yeah, the turbo. That's the Hurry up and wait
16:19
getting the gas and eventually you'll find 500 horsepower.
16:22
Yeah, but it will. You will find it.
16:24
Yeah, it'll take a. Minute it worked.
16:25
And it was really. That's in your Jay-Z car, you
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said. Yeah, yeah.
16:29
Is that's the one you drifted at Appalachia?
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How was that did that? Honestly not.
16:36
It's a it's a coupe Sylvia front, I think.
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Yours. Yeah, but I well, actually,
16:40
probably not anymore. But there are no the fenders on
16:43
that car I got from you guys. Oh, yeah, yeah, that has Origin
16:46
front fenders. Malcolm Can you find this car
16:48
and bring it up? First of all, there's videos of
16:50
it, and I think I've definitely seen videos of it.
16:52
Yeah, we've driven. Me and him have driven together
16:54
a while ago, but. How long ago was?
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That because I. Asked him.
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I was like, did you like this Frankie right here, Did you
17:00
drive with this ring? He's like, yeah, yeah, of.
17:02
Course, that's as funny as like getting into this.
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Like when I started drifting and really started developing my
17:09
own, like identity and drifting. Because, you know, there's so
17:11
many different ways you can go with it.
17:13
Me and my friends wanted to be like you guys so bad like like
17:18
you and like Justin and stuff like like me and Matthew
17:21
Bostrack and then our friend Hunter he he doesn't drift but
17:25
he does our media and like we started this thing from Forza
17:29
drifting called Gas factory that was like our faction so like Gas
17:33
Factory who stood for grip and slip factory and like we wanted
17:35
to have our own shop. Yeah, so, like, so we have me
17:39
and Matt had purple S13 that were matching sparkly purple.
17:41
And like, we just wanted I'm I'm you're going to laugh at when I
17:44
say this, but we wanted to do hot boy shit so bad.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we wanted to have, like,
17:49
we wanted to go to like final bow.
17:51
We wanted to have like matching liveries.
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And do you like that team thing, 'cause that was that was like
17:55
coming up big. When you guys originally started
17:57
doing, I'm all that. So I was like, that's all we,
18:00
like, wanted to do, which is crazy, 'cause now it's like so
18:02
different now I was doing. FD then it's like a real hard
18:05
turn. Would you like?
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That's so crazy that we're talking about this because would
18:09
you, where was that point where it, like, went that way, where
18:14
it was like, you know what, Like, let's ride this train
18:17
instead? Like it's.
18:19
It's so it's it's a really long story but I originally was a a
18:25
rally type person like I was big into rally racing.
18:28
I was a big Subaru kid. I worked at Broken Motorsports,
18:31
you know, for Billy Petro and. Shout out Billy.
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Yeah, shout out Billy, who was just on the podcast.
18:36
But basically I was at Englishtown in like 2014.
18:42
I wasn't even drifting yet. I was in the process of building
18:44
an S13 drift car because I was close friends with Mike Vogue.
18:47
Still am, but he kind of guided me with building my first drift
18:50
car. But I really wanted to do rally
18:53
first. I went to a rally school out in
18:55
in Seattle. It's called Dirt Fish.
18:57
I went to Team O'Neill Rally School in New Hampshire and one
19:01
of my instructors was like, dude, you just don't stop
19:05
drifting. He's like, all you want to do,
19:06
Like he's like you're just, he's like, you're really good at
19:09
drifting. Have you ever considered that
19:10
getting into drifting? And I'm like, I don't know,
19:11
dude. Like I have a lot of friends who
19:13
do it, 'cause I have friends with Vogue and like a lot of
19:15
people. So I was like, sure, I went home
19:17
and I had like a Subaru rally car project I was building.
19:20
I sold it and I bought. That quickly.
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I was just like, whatever, I'll try drifting.
19:25
So and I was also at the time playing a lot of Forza drifting.
19:27
Forza 4, yeah, it was four. Yeah, I think so it was.
19:31
Four was the best. One that was the.
19:32
Yeah, it was probably 4:00 or 5:00-ish around there before you
19:36
had angle and before, like we do crazy tunes to tow the car out
19:39
to make it not spin out. This is Frankie childhood.
19:42
Four before is the best game. That's the closest thing to
19:44
video game thousand hours. Yeah.
19:46
Playing it every single day. I'd go to work, I'd come home
19:48
and I would just sit there drifting on Forza so.
19:50
It it really did help, so the VR must be crazy now.
19:54
Yeah, that's a whole different. I can't play the like a set of
19:56
stuff that well, I I do it and I I can get by on a good setup,
20:02
but I'm nowhere near like some of these guys.
20:04
That's Carl. Carl, my setup is so fucking
20:07
bad, dude. The people who play with me,
20:08
like, yeah, but you're. Good at it, though.
20:10
I have no choice. I have.
20:11
I have to. I talk.
20:13
I I talk my shit because my equipment's bad.
20:15
It's like having a. Shitty drift car and you just
20:17
OK. Yeah, I'd be working with like,
20:20
man, some of these you run into people on there where you're
20:22
like, what the fuck like? Like you didn't know you were
20:25
going to be on there? Who do we get to drive that I
20:28
watched at Final Bout? Who's sick at driving Sam B
20:31
Street? Remember the car?
20:32
That's kind of loud style, type of looking he plays on there.
20:36
I mean, there was my cheeks. A lot of people do.
20:38
My fucking wheel is going to blow apart some days.
20:41
Yeah that's why I feel like I'm going to break it.
20:42
Like I was just playing at at Ricky Hoffman and Steve Misco
20:45
live together on their roommates and Steve Misco just built a
20:48
setup when just like 2 weeks ago were playing it and I I I turned
20:51
to 2nd gear into 4th gear. Like like I just broke the
20:54
shoulder and I like, ripped the whole thing.
20:57
Just. Match it's just.
20:59
That was me. Just got like 2nd to 4th without
21:01
going to neutral or any other year.
21:02
If you don't know it, if you don't know like the I mean.
21:05
I was about to break someone's, I don't know if it was Jimmy
21:07
Oaks or whoever we were. Yeah, you were going to.
21:09
Break and I'm just like pulling and everyone's like, whoa.
21:12
Whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to remember, it's a
21:13
game. But at the same time, when I go
21:15
to my car now, my shifter is so shitty in my actual car that
21:21
like, it just feels the same. I'm like, all right, maybe this
21:24
is just what life is for me. I.
21:25
Realized that day too, that that's the reason my E brake
21:28
would break all the time because I I must be just yanking it like
21:31
towards me and it would just like loosen it up.
21:33
Oh, like pulling. Yeah, something.
21:35
Do you have in your in your car? Do you have a hydro in your car,
21:38
your stock handbrake? Yeah.
21:39
So I guess the stock one kind of goes over like that if you like
21:42
it. Pulls on a little.
21:43
Angle. A little bit of an angle.
21:44
And when it. Breaks like this, right?
21:46
So it like comes up weird, yeah. It's kind.
21:49
Of pull that way, but when it did, you say you ran it forever.
21:52
For a long time I ran in in my first drift car when I was just
21:55
talking about, but that car had a stock handbrake.
21:59
I had a 180 that had a stock handbrake.
22:01
My my S13 doesn't but like my current S13 has a.
22:04
Like this one. That guy.
22:06
You had you had that blue 180, right?
22:07
Yeah, yeah, that car. 'S been passed around now.
22:10
The current owner of it tried to.
22:13
Well, he toyed with selling it again.
22:15
Oh yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, That's my that's.
22:18
Look, so that that car is pretty.
22:19
Oh, that was right. Like that's.
22:21
That one. That's the purple one.
22:22
Yeah, that was. You can still see the purple a
22:24
little bit. Oh, wow.
22:26
Yeah, awesome. I love that S13 though.
22:29
That's one of those things that I I'll never get rid of.
22:32
Would you say that that car is? Would you say that S chassis is
22:35
the superior drift car? It depends on what you're like
22:40
trying to get out of drifting, right?
22:42
So I think that's a very loaded question because in my.
22:47
Case just say yes for for what I.
22:49
Did get dragged through the. At my time, because it is it's a
22:53
dynamic answer because S chassis now are very expensive and.
22:57
Yeah, but we're Let's not talk about money.
23:00
If you're just going purely off the chassis, I think it's
23:04
definitely one of the best, if not the best.
23:06
In my opinion, your first. Because it's.
23:08
Super easy to drive. I also go back to the rally
23:11
thing. I have an S13 rally car that's
23:14
not as collapsed as Billy's, nowhere near as his car is as
23:21
his car. That thing has been rolled over
23:25
more times than I've done somersaults in my childhood like
23:28
it's. A fact.
23:30
It has been passed around like some people that you don't want
23:33
to bring home to mom. Yeah but so so I think that's
23:37
chassis are great. Like it helped me learn a lot,
23:39
you know, like again like to go back to, we're talking about
23:42
before like I bought a caged S13 hatch from Matt Lomazov.
23:46
I don't know if you remember Matt Lomazov, that name sounds
23:47
cool. He passed away, but he was like
23:51
a OG ish for me. OG because I started drifting in
23:55
2014, but back then he had an Sr.
23:59
Brown hatch that was caged. He pulled him out.
24:02
He wanted to build GTO. I did GTO.
24:03
Drift car if you remember. Like the the Holden Generation
24:06
GTO. Like the Yeah yeah, the one that
24:09
kind of the Reese Milling looking.
24:10
Car. Exactly that generation.
24:12
So he had a couple of them but he sold his S13 to me because he
24:16
wanted to build the GTO. He had a leukemia I think he
24:20
had, which is he got in a wreck with stoneback, hit his head on
24:25
the cage, went to the hospital because he had a brain injury
24:29
and found out that he had cancer because of his racket.
24:32
Turn one at English town and eventually he passed away.
24:35
God bless us all, great guy. When did the?
24:36
Accident happen. Probably 20/13/20 12:00-ish.
24:40
He likes fun and like stoneback hit him right in the door.
24:43
And I ran that door damaged with the marks from Stoneback's bash
24:45
bar for like at least the whole season of drifting.
24:49
So I bought that car from him and I put A1 Jay-Z in it.
24:53
Stock VVTI and that's what I like.
24:54
Learned how to drift in. I didn't know, dude.
24:57
I didn't know anything about drifting.
24:58
I showed up to club loose and like very first lap.
25:03
I never drove a Ruble drive car in my life and I just like very
25:06
first lap, just like link the whole track and I'm like, all
25:07
right, this is cool. Oh my, that is not where I
25:10
thought the. Story was going to go.
25:12
It was like. It's just a weird thing to talk
25:14
about because I try not to sound like fool yourself, right?
25:16
But I just. I really.
25:18
It. Just it just clicked right.
25:20
Sorry. So I come from dirt bike racing,
25:22
right? And of course now you know how
25:23
you know it. My point is, like when I came
25:26
from dirt bike racing, I had to try so hard.
25:31
Like I'd watch like these like overweight dudes that like would
25:34
smoke cigarettes, not talking shit and be able to smoke
25:36
cigarettes. But when I was young I did.
25:38
It's like they smoke cigarettes, get trashed and like all this
25:41
stuff and they would like walk me on a dirt bike and I'd be in
25:44
the gym every day. I'd be on my practice bike.
25:46
I'd be like all this kind of stuff and I would got so
25:48
discouraged. So like, I got caught like in a
25:50
drift car and like first lap I was like, I'm that fat kid that
25:54
can go out and like, not care because I just figured it out.
25:56
I just had it. So like my first weekend drift,
25:59
my first day drifting, I was already tandeming.
26:01
Like right into that is tandeming.
26:03
First day. First day, yeah, very first day
26:06
drifting. I tandem with Steve Angerman and
26:09
with that's crazy with John Wagner.
26:11
So that was like I literally did like 3 laps and then like you
26:14
make. Friends with all these guys
26:16
because these are like OG club loose.
26:17
Guys, yeah, it was it was a private day.
26:19
What was a clinic into a private day at Club Blue?
26:23
So I I got hooked up for Mike Vogue.
26:25
Really. So like I was friends with him,
26:27
him and Joel. If you know Joel he had like an
26:30
S14 with a 2JZ, a blood master as well.
26:33
So he back in like 2014 they helped me build my car and
26:37
literally Mike Vogue's parents driveway and then they really
26:42
hooked it up. They were just like hey we're
26:43
going to do like this like clinic and then there's like a
26:46
private day. The next day it was a sorry, a
26:48
Saturday was a private day. So I showed up for a clinic, you
26:51
know anything about drifting and just walked around the track.
26:52
As a beginner clinic with with Petty and like I always this is
26:56
my favorite thing to say. I love telling the story because
26:58
it's like I'm walking around the track.
26:59
I have no idea what's going on. And Petty is like explaining
27:02
drifting and like, if you know him, he's kind of like the Ozzy
27:04
Osbourne or drifting. So he's like, so he like walks
27:08
to like app, which is now like the outer zone one of like the
27:11
road course. And he's just like, so you want
27:13
to like swing it out wide and stack it with your Bros and then
27:16
get the fuck out. And then you like walk to the
27:18
next turn and he wouldn't say anything between the first two
27:20
turns. He's like, he's like, you want
27:22
to swing it out wide, stack it with your Bros, get the fuck
27:25
out. And I'm like, sick dude, All
27:27
right, you said last turn. So we got, like, the hairpin.
27:30
And he's like, all right, so we want to swing it out wide, stack
27:32
it with your Bros, and then get the fuck out.
27:33
I was just like, all right, so that's like all I really learned
27:37
about drifting. The track just like, wasn't
27:40
really. That stay wide and leave room
27:43
for your homies, and then you get the fuck out of there and do
27:45
it at the end of the next turn. You know, that's just resonated
27:48
with me, with drifting, so. I mean that's.
27:50
Petty's the best person. Yeah, dude, it was kind of like
27:52
what you'd need to do if you're leading, yeah.
27:55
Yeah, which is right. It was like the most.
27:56
Perfect way to explain that. Like you probably can't get any
27:59
more direct than that. Yeah, yeah, it was it.
28:02
Was fun. Like he he he made a great
28:05
point. It always resonated with me.
28:06
Like it always stuck in my head when.
28:07
It came in the corner. You're just thinking of what?
28:09
I could hear him every time I'm in the hairpin in Englishtown,
28:11
no matter if I'm by myself or with 10 people.
28:13
You're like, OK, I'm just like, I guess we get out Why I gotta
28:15
wait for all my. Bros to get it here and.
28:17
Then we're gonna leave. I know that.
28:21
Dude, I still have yet to, like, really meet.
28:23
I know. How do you feel like?
28:25
I know. I can't wait for that day.
28:26
Yes. So that's like when I got into
28:29
drifting, was like with all those dudes, especially, I'll
28:31
call it, like, I'll say it here in front of everyone.
28:33
I don't care. That was like, to me, that's
28:34
really the prime of club loose days of drifting.
28:37
What? What?
28:38
Yeah, 2014, 2015, yeah. Like it was.
28:41
It was just sick and like, so they all invited me to stay the
28:45
next day for A for a private day.
28:47
And so I do like 3 laps at the clinic and I'm like, all right,
28:49
cool, I'll just wait cuz the next day why not?
28:51
So I go out and I do like 2 laps and then just like yeah, just
28:54
like chase this person and I'm like all right, cool.
28:56
So I went and chased them and we started driving and then the
28:58
next event was Freedom moves and I just signed up for A, so I
29:01
never even signed up for C or B. And just what the fuck that was
29:06
drifting for me? Car was caged and yeah, it was.
29:09
It was a cage stock one. Jay-Z was on 15.
29:11
Amazing 15. With A1.
29:13
J They brainwashed and everything.
29:15
Oh. Yeah, dude, that was like 2.
29:17
Seconds. Away.
29:17
From my car, black. Which is funny because now, as
29:19
you saw, my car is black. Yeah.
29:21
Yeah, that's a blood master. That's a blood master car.
29:23
Like I'm picturing like a 15 inch black red but.
29:27
It was purple, right? It was brown.
29:29
It was brown, yeah. So it was kind of remember.
29:30
This car it was like Toyota Tundra Brown as the paint code
29:33
it was. This is in 20/14/14.
29:36
It had Orange XXR 5. 2014 Freedom moves.
29:40
I don't know if I was, if that's the one that we were at or if
29:43
that was the one that coincided with final bout, but one of
29:45
those years, 15 or 14 was sick. I'm trying to think.
29:48
I'm like, OK, you are now tandeming 3 laps in.
29:55
For me, when I'm thinking of tandeming, I had to like watch
29:58
and like like what are you like? You just hopped in, so the
30:03
thing. Was like to what we were.
30:04
Talking How did you know, like what was happening?
30:06
So to what we were talking about before, it was like, it's not
30:09
the same thing as playing a video game, don't get me wrong,
30:11
especially not when you're playing with a controller like I
30:13
was, but like all the logic of what you do is identical.
30:17
It was like where? You where do you position?
30:18
Your because we I played so many hours of fours of. 4 So it's.
30:22
Like I showed up and I'm like, all right, well, I kind of
30:23
understand transition timing. I understand like where to be on
30:26
the track. I understand like a lot of that.
30:28
So like when it came to tandeming, like I just, I was a
30:30
lot of things that I was kind of looking back now as the driver I
30:33
am today. There's a lot of things I was
30:34
doing wrong. But like it got around and it
30:37
looked good and it was safe. I wasn't.
30:38
I wasn't going to. I heard anyone like I came from
30:40
track background. I've done a lot of Rd. core
30:41
stuff, auto cross, things like that.
30:43
Like I don't know how to be on the track with other cars and
30:45
not kill people. You.
30:46
Know what I mean? So like it was.
30:47
Just common sense like to me so, but yeah, that's kind of how it
30:51
started. I I forgot about the Forza
30:53
thing, 'cause I was trying to think, I'm like you went from
30:55
rally racing. But never actually rallied.
30:58
Racing. Before I have now, but but I not
31:00
before drifting. I always talk about rally and
31:03
everyone's like, oh, you come from rally, of course you go to
31:05
drifting. I'm like, I actually never
31:06
rallied until after I started drifting, which is because of
31:08
Petro. So that same right before I
31:11
started drifting, I was hanging out in, like Vogue's trailer and
31:13
I had a dirt fish hat on because I went to Dirt Fish Rally
31:15
School. And Petro walks in, which is
31:17
this literally exact moment, is the reason why I'm sitting here
31:20
with a Nos hat on today. Which is crazy to say he walks
31:22
in the trailer. It's all Billy's.
31:25
We all like to, like, laugh at how crazy Billy's life is.
31:28
Like, there's so many people's lives he's actually changed.
31:30
And being mine is one of them. So he walks in and he's like,
31:33
you got a dirt fish hat on And I'm like, yeah.
31:35
And he's like, we're going to be friends.
31:37
And I'm like, because he likes rally.
31:39
So I'm like, all right, cool. So like, I kind of became
31:41
friends with him, started drifting and eventually started
31:45
working for him. So.
31:46
This is really going. To take the yeah, broken motor
31:48
sport. So this is going to take the
31:49
conversation in a crazy direction.
31:51
But I we built a rally car when I was at Broken and I ended up
31:54
doing some rallies, stuff like that.
31:57
But I never took rally too crazy.
31:59
But there is a a guy, his name is Brandon Bowling.
32:01
He's our team manager now. He's AOG Drift Alliance kind of
32:05
a blood master kind of not does what he wants but he has a red
32:08
S13 coupe with the LS in it. You've probably seen him
32:10
drifting. There's the RPF ones on it.
32:13
He's he's was friends with Forsberg for a very long time
32:18
and Brandon and stuff like that or sorry Billy.
32:21
So Brandon used to store some of his cars at Broken Motorsports.
32:26
He kind of gave him going now because he said he I just said
32:29
he's our team manager. So anyway, Brandon stored his
32:32
cars are broken. Motorsports.
32:33
I'd work on them. I'd go to the track with him in
32:35
like 2014 and 15. We'd all hang out.
32:37
We'd pit together. So I became friends with with
32:39
Brandon. This is way before he did stuff
32:41
with Forsberg and his team. He was he worked for Facebook,
32:44
Apple, stuff like that. Yeah, he's.
32:47
Just like the Big Three, he's biggest corporation.
32:49
Honestly. Planet Earth.
32:50
My most successful friend I have by a huge margin like super
32:54
successful like just a marketing whiz.
32:57
Like he started with Facebook when he was really young.
32:59
It's definitely help grow the company, help grow Apple.
33:02
Can you not say his name but is it Zuckerberg?
33:04
Like blink blink twice if it is like you just Brandon's a code
33:08
word, Brandon's a code word, no. He's definitely not Zuckerberg.
33:11
I like him a lot more than I like Zuckerberg.
33:13
So with that said, Flash. Forward.
33:18
Yeah, right. It's gone.
33:20
Fast forward to like 2020 and I stayed friends with Brandon
33:24
forever, even after I left there and started working for Snap on
33:27
all that kind of stuff. But in 2020, it was the year of
33:31
COVID, because you asked me before how I got to kind of
33:34
where I am. Yeah, yeah.
33:36
I was doing some like pro AMS, like US drift pro AMS and stuff
33:40
like that and like competing. And I didn't have very good luck
33:43
ever. Like, I had really bad luck with
33:45
car stuff. And I also wasn't quite the best
33:47
at building my own car. I'll be, I'll I'll say that now.
33:49
I always had like dumb problems. It was pretty and it was cool
33:52
and it made good power. But like I always had stupid
33:54
problems so. S13.
33:56
Still like that purple one. OK, so COVID happens in in like
34:00
2020. No one's really drifting or like
34:03
you're competing or anything like that.
34:05
And I ironically start dating my now wife, but we start dating my
34:10
wife is a like, semi pro wakeboarder.
34:13
Like, super competitive wakeboarder.
34:15
She's way cooler than me. What?
34:17
The hell? Let's see.
34:18
So she, we start dating and she's.
34:21
I've told I'm pretty good at telling the story now because
34:22
I've told a lot. But she she wanted to know what
34:24
drifting was all about. Because I talked all about
34:26
drifting. And you know, it was now not
34:28
happening because it's COVID. So like, we're just hanging out.
34:30
We're on our boat every weekend, wakeboarding and stuff like
34:32
that. I can't wait for it to save my
34:33
life. I was about to ask.
34:34
Have. You ever tried because you're
34:35
not good at? Tall and like.
34:36
Yeah, more like she could do flips and all these crazy
34:39
tricks, like I could barely ride the board.
34:41
So she's like, I really want to see you drift and I'm like, all
34:44
right, fine, whatever. We go to a club loose event with
34:46
my 180, like first lap come around, tree turn the subframe,
34:50
rear subframe breaks and the whole wheel like, falls off the
34:53
car. We're like literally staring at
34:54
the ground, like the car is broken.
34:56
I'm like, well, that was, yeah, like Pogo.
34:58
Kicked around tree turned and ripped.
34:59
The wheel off the car. She's not in the car, is she?
35:02
She's in the car. This is like real, like
35:04
experience of drifting. So, so she's.
35:06
So now the gamblers are starting up again, right?
35:08
And I'm like, all right, cool. So she's like, let's go.
35:11
I want to see you compete. I want to see you compete.
35:12
I want to see compete. I'm like, fine.
35:13
You know, I was pretty fed up with competing at that point, if
35:16
I'm being honest with you, no, but.
35:17
You're but I was. Like W White, she's just pushing
35:19
you out. Of here, she's like, let's go.
35:21
And I'm like sick. So I was like, here, here's a
35:22
phone. This is before we used radios or
35:24
anything. I'm like, take your phone and
35:26
you're going to go up in the stands and you're going to tell
35:27
me how I'm looking. Like I just shoved her into
35:29
spotting for me. She's never even watched the
35:31
drifting optician in her life. So we go to a gambler.
35:34
And this, this gambler had a lot of what I consider really good
35:37
drivers. You know, it had like, Kenrick
35:39
Meyer. It had squirt, if you know Troy
35:41
Manor is. It had like John Jonathan there.
35:46
I had a lot of, like, what I consider pretty good drivers and
35:50
good cars. It was like.
35:51
Really. Was that the 1st?
35:52
It was like the second gambler they did.
35:54
The first one I went and helped by struck out but my car I was
35:57
getting his motor redone. So I go to that event and we
36:02
qualify like 7th and I win it and this is the first time I
36:04
ever won a drift competition. Ever.
36:07
And I was. Like at The Gambler?
36:08
At The Gambler, this is the first competition I've won in
36:10
Drifting, and that's crazy. And when I was like, holy shit,
36:13
I'm like, we won. I'm like, that was crazy.
36:15
And there's like some pretty big names there, especially compared
36:16
to when I do the Pro Am stuff, there wasn't really that many
36:18
like. I consider.
36:20
Big names. That was in my 13 with the
36:22
Jay-Z. It was different than it is now,
36:26
a lot different than it is now. But it was still like a
36:29
relatively competitive car. Like it was like a 500
36:31
horsepower stock, one Jay-Z motor with AZ Trans.
36:36
It had a rear mount rad that was poorly designed, stock diff
36:39
stuff like that. But I saw I won in that car and
36:43
I was like wow, like that was pretty cool.
36:44
Like it just sit there and won my first event.
36:46
So I was like, let's go hit a pro.
36:48
Yeah. So I'm like, let's go hit a pro
36:49
M now. So we go to US Drift battle in
36:51
the Bay. That was a crazy event.
36:54
We took third there and we got a pro license.
36:57
Wow. So I.
36:58
Things are escalating. Yeah, so I'm like this.
37:00
Is happening fast. Yeah.
37:01
So I'm like, all right, we won our pro license.
37:03
I'm like, I went from like 91 to compete.
37:04
Now I have a pro license. So I'm sitting there and I'm
37:06
like, well, how do I, like, go to FD?
37:08
Like, I got to keep this one, man.
37:09
I'm running. So I text Brandon, you know,
37:12
bowling. And I'm like, hey dude, I know
37:13
you're like close with people in the industry.
37:15
And I'm like trying to figure out how I can like maybe get
37:17
sponsorship or stuff like this that like, make FDA a reality
37:20
because I definitely didn't have the money to do it, You know
37:22
what I mean? Like I.
37:23
Think anyone does? Yeah, I and I still don't so.
37:25
So this is what you're you're you're getting the, the, the
37:27
backing. Now, so I'm like, all right,
37:29
cool. Like I'm going to say I just
37:30
text him. I'm like, you know, I know, you
37:32
know people in industry, can I pick your brain?
37:34
Because he's like was always a go to dude if I wanted to do
37:36
anything money related because he's so smart with that stuff.
37:38
Yeah. So he's like, yeah, let's set up
37:40
a call. So I call him on Monday.
37:42
He's like, hey dude, just so you know, I'm managing Forsberg's
37:45
race team now and I'm like. What?
37:47
I'm. Like, I'm like, what do you mean
37:49
you're managing Forsberg? 'S team conversation you have in
37:52
this call. Yeah, He's like, right from the
37:54
start. And he's just like, yes, he's
37:55
like, So what do you want to do? So I explain him, I want to do
37:57
FD, you know, And that's kind of where it ended.
37:59
It didn't go too far at that point.
38:01
So there's another gambler that was in November of that year.
38:03
So I was like, all right, I'm going to go to that gambler too.
38:07
Brandon was there. Forsberg was there at this
38:10
gambler, which I didn't know he was going to be there.
38:12
We go to that one and we win that one.
38:15
And I'm like, all right, sick. So we won.
38:17
We went to, I forget we went to Chili's afterwards.
38:19
We're like celebrating drinking margaritas and stuff like that.
38:22
So like the next day I I literally landed my truck in my
38:26
trailer like in my parents front yard and just like left it there
38:29
and I like went to bed all like hungover and stuff like that.
38:31
And you know, I didn't drive the truck back, you know?
38:35
And I wake up in the morning to the text message from Brandon.
38:39
He's like, dude, get to the track now and I'm like hungover.
38:43
I'm like what? So like my truck's all hooked up
38:44
to the trailer. I stole the wheels and tires off
38:46
my 350Z daily to go drifting at the gambler with it, so I didn't
38:51
even have tires on my daily. So I pulled scrubs out of the
38:53
trailer, threw them on my 350Z, all hungover and flute English
38:56
down. So I sit down and like it was.
38:59
I remember it's Jimmy Caldwell's birthday, so like Chris and
39:01
everyone, they're all. Jimmy, just for the record, Oh
39:03
my God. What'd you say?
39:04
I love him best. One of the best deeds ever.
39:06
I love him to death. He's dude.
39:07
That's I can do. We can do a 2 hour podcast on
39:09
what it's like to be in a Formula Drift pit or team with
39:12
Jimmy Caldwell. Why is?
39:13
That name. So his epic, You've probably
39:15
seen him. Iconcept Bloodmaster guy.
39:17
He owns a company called Icon Concepts.
39:20
He was Forsberg's crew chief for a while.
39:22
He was the Remember when I told you that sorry to cut you off,
39:25
but remember that. I don't know if you can remember
39:27
this, but there was this story that I told him like once or
39:30
twice on here where I think me and Justin were entering into
39:33
turn one. And then we crashed a little bit
39:35
and I pulled off and I had a moment where I was like like I
39:40
was just one of those moments where you're like self
39:41
reflecting. You're like is this shit even
39:42
worth it? Like should I even make my car
39:44
nice anymore? Like I keep fucking crashing it.
39:47
Jimmy was the guy that came over and was like, I think he just
39:50
walked over and was like, dude, that was the sickest drifting
39:53
I've ever seen in my entire life.
39:54
Like all this. Like, give me the craziest
39:56
compliment. And I was like, fuck, OK, this
39:57
is. Why?
39:58
Yeah, time to buckle. Up.
40:00
You should feel honored. I might know.
40:01
Get compliments, dude. It was.
40:03
Crazy. I was like, I was like, holy
40:04
shit, all right, That. And I told him, like, there I
40:07
was like, yeah, dude, I'm, I'm pretty bummed right now.
40:10
I literally just fucking got this thing all fixed up and we
40:12
fuck it up immediately. He's like, he's like, it is what
40:14
it is, man. It's like it.
40:16
He's like it is what it. Is though.
40:18
Like I was like, yeah, I know, but it was like that moment for
40:20
some reason always sticks in my memory for for some reason.
40:23
I don't know why. I guess 'cause I was like such
40:25
at a mental low point. And then he just comes over,
40:28
says like 2 words and it's like right back up.
40:31
Like that's how drifting is, though, I feel like.
40:32
It definitely is. Yeah.
40:34
That's that's another like to go down Ave. and use even like
40:38
that. Like there's been so many times
40:39
that I've gotten knocked out like in FD.
40:41
But FD is a very toxic mindset. If I'm being honest with you and
40:45
I'm like super mad and I'm sitting there and like there's
40:48
like Forsberg's really good at this kind of stuff.
40:51
He'll sit there and just like, say like 10 words to me and all
40:53
of a sudden I'm just like, all right now.
40:55
I don't want to, like, kill myself.
40:58
It's crazy to get it from different perspectives.
41:00
Yeah. But I could not even imagine a
41:02
competitive situation. Dude, I love that though.
41:04
It's so, it's so insane. So that's so again, so we're at
41:09
Jimmy's birthday. I'm just, I'll finish that story
41:11
quick and I just hang around and Brandon's like going to talk to
41:16
Chris. So, like, I knew who Chris was.
41:17
I've rode with him in his car for rides and I've tanned him
41:20
with him at Englishtown a few times.
41:21
But I never, like, actually talked to him, you know, in
41:24
person. And I'm like, Oh my God, like
41:25
Chris Forsberg wants to talk to. Me.
41:27
So about a break, guys. What are you about to say?
41:29
Mess it up? He's like.
41:30
He's like, what do you wanna do? I'm like, do he's like, what do
41:33
you wanna drive? I'm like, I really wanna drive
41:34
an S15. He's like, no, don't get S15.
41:36
And I'm like, he's like get a Z and I'm like okay.
41:39
So I'm like, I'll get AZ and I'm like whatever, like Chris Forza
41:42
told me to get AZ, you know why not?
41:44
So I started searching for a 370Z and I knew MA Motorsports
41:48
was selling a a shop demo car they had, which they had a a
41:51
IndyCar motor and AVK 45 that they built for a shop demo car.
41:55
But they never finished. They sold the whole VK program
41:57
when Chris ditched the VK program too.
41:59
So I text Brian from MA and I'm like, hey dude, you still have
42:04
that 370Z for sale. Like I'm interested in buying
42:06
it. He's like, I sold the stone back
42:08
and I'm like, oh God damn it, so.
42:10
Stoneback buys everything. Yeah.
42:11
So I text Stoneback and I'm just like hey dude, I know like
42:14
you've ran actually it's like probably like a week or so
42:16
later. But I text Stoneback.
42:17
I'm like, I know you ran a 370Z. I'm interested on.
42:19
I have value his opinion. I'm like I'm interested on your
42:21
opinion on what you felt about using that car and FD because
42:23
I'm considering getting one and he's like, I loved it.
42:26
He's like I have one for sale. Well, actually, sorry Brian
42:29
didn't tell me he sold the stoneback.
42:30
So I didn't know who owned it. So I I he's like, I have one for
42:33
sale. He's like it's the one at MA.
42:34
I'm like, I'll I'll just give you money tomorrow.
42:37
So I bought. Landed in your lap.
42:39
Perfect. And that's, that's how I got the
42:41
car. So I'm talking with Chris and
42:43
Brandon and they're like, yeah, we'll get you some parts and
42:45
we'll help you like behind the scenes.
42:46
You know, it'll be like, we'll sit there, we'll give you some
42:48
guidance and pro spec, we'll help you out with some partner
42:50
relations and stuff like that. And I'm like, all right, cool,
42:53
sounds great. So then it's like 2021 January
42:56
1st, I get a phone call from from Chris and Brandon as I'm
42:59
loading a trailer to go do a Haggerty shoot, Like I was doing
43:01
a Hagerty show with my S13. It was called Rad Ventures.
43:07
Anyway, I sit there and phone call them and they're like,
43:09
yeah, dude, this is like a full deal.
43:10
Like you're going to like we'll manage all your sponsor
43:13
relations, we'll manage everything.
43:15
Like this is like a real ride like this is like in like I I
43:18
sat in my truck, the one I had parked out here, and I literally
43:21
cried. I'm just sitting there in my
43:22
friend by Strike's driveway and I'm like, how the hell did this
43:26
happen? I'm like this is just like
43:27
tweaking. Some dude from like.
43:29
New Jersey that sells tools for a living and is like halfway OK
43:32
at drifting and like now, like this team wants to believe in
43:35
me. You literally did like, you
43:36
know, 2-3 events and three events.
43:40
What the? Fuck, everything changed from
43:41
not competing to doing FD. So I was like.
43:43
Well, they must have saw something.
43:45
Yeah, and it's fortunately I had the foot in the door with
43:47
Brandon. You know, I didn't have built
43:49
that relationship from meeting Billy and working at his shop.
43:52
You know, I would have never even been here to.
43:54
Do like you just. Hail Mary to text to Brandon.
43:57
I feel like like you knew. I have a friend like that too.
44:00
That where I if I had some crazy idea like that.
44:04
I feel like if I shot him a text like that he would probably
44:06
steer me in some sort of direction.
44:08
But I think that since you made all those right moves, but which
44:11
you didn't know were right at the time, which is wild to me,
44:15
like now you're here. Like all the pieces of the
44:17
puzzle. Like I I became friends with
44:19
Brian from Emmy Motorsports because I worked on AFD team for
44:23
a JAJ Muss and you probably don't know who he is, but you
44:25
you remember AJ. So like I worked on AJ Muss's
44:28
pro two team and Brian like ran that team.
44:31
So when we worked together for that FD season, I met Brian.
44:33
So like meeting Brian and Scott Davidson, which if you guys
44:36
don't know who he is, he's like, honestly, one of the most
44:38
legendary people in competitive drifting was also from New
44:41
Jersey. I don't think I know that.
44:43
Name. Scott Davidson was Forsberg's
44:44
crew chief for a very long time and he like single handedly
44:47
changed a lot of yeah, like competitive drift car setup
44:52
honestly for the world because he comes from a circle track and
44:55
dirt track racing background where they basically he
44:58
implemented a lot of that stuff. He's genuinely one of the
45:00
smartest people you'll ever meet.
45:01
He's from like Wall, NJ, right by Wall Stadium.
45:05
I wonder if he would do one. Of these, he's.
45:08
Well, you said dirt racing because I'm now I'm like, yeah,
45:10
that was like drifting before drifting, if you think about it.
45:12
I know, Brian said he would do one, Yeah.
45:16
He's he's, did he be epic to get him on and talk to him because
45:19
he's not only is he hysterical but he's just has so much to
45:22
talk about. He's been around this, the
45:23
industry, like, I'm talking about 2014.
45:25
He could talk about 2004. You know what I.
45:27
Mean are we talking about like Brian Wilkerson?
45:29
Yeah, Wilkerson, yeah. Yeah, OK.
45:30
See. So that's the name.
45:32
I would do it, but I'm very so far away like.
45:35
I mean, he comes up to the track sometimes.
45:36
Yeah, we got to set it up. Set it up when he's.
45:38
That's a name that shows up when I watch like those older videos
45:41
like 07 D1 GP at Englishtown. Those are then.
45:45
Then you see Brian Wilkerson's name and I'm like.
45:47
Well, Brian's the one that really built a lot of the, I
45:51
mean, Forsberg's cars, right? From one, yeah, he built a lot
45:55
of Forsberg's cars. He built Stoneback's, you know,
45:57
Forsberg racing car. He built my car.
45:59
You know, he's built Hop's car. He's built Mike Powers car.
46:02
He's built AJ Mussa's car. A lot of.
46:05
A lot of like heavy. I'm not saying I'm a heavy
46:07
hitter, but he's built a lot of crazy stuff.
46:10
He's he's just so good. Anything you're.
46:11
A heavy hitter. You know the fuck out of here?
46:13
You're you're dude, you're. Really.
46:15
Like a hero for us. I mean it's it does I That's why
46:19
I like telling the story because it's like it really does give
46:21
people like hope in a way. Because like if you look think
46:23
of like some kid that's into IndyCar.
46:25
If you think of some kid that's even in the motocross racing,
46:27
which is more obtainable than like IndyCar Formula One, but
46:30
still like it's not that easy to get into a professional side and
46:34
actually get partners to support you.
46:37
Like it's really not that easy these days.
46:39
So like with drifting, it's a lot of, especially in like the
46:43
hot boy drifting side of the world drift like professional
46:46
and competitive drifting gets a lot of slack.
46:48
But you got to admit, like it's impressive that it can grow like
46:52
a career for someone to compete as a professional athlete.
46:54
Totally. You know.
46:55
And that's like for me what's so cool?
46:56
Because like, again, like, I don't come from family money.
46:59
I don't come from my, like, my family doesn't.
47:01
Didn't even know what Motorsports was.
47:03
Like my dad was a foot doctor. Like, I mean, he's not with us
47:06
anymore. Guy was his soul.
47:07
But I knew you were going to fucking I.
47:09
Need him right now. You know, it's just like I don't
47:11
come from a Motorsports background or anything.
47:13
Like I had to figure this. Out when you started a trail,
47:15
you blaze a trail bro. You.
47:16
You kind of, but I don't want to.
47:17
I don't want to. Don't sell yourself short.
47:19
You you you said you worked for someone that was doing pro spec.
47:24
Yeah, which is how I made these relations.
47:26
That's what I mean, though you did go out of your way to make
47:29
sure you were talking to people, working with people doing this.
47:31
You didn't know? Why?
47:32
But you were, yeah. I did it.
47:34
It's funny because I wanted to do FD.
47:37
I'd love to do FD when I was at that point working with AJ, but
47:40
I was like, all right, I'll work for my friend.
47:42
Like I want to support AJ. He was a great deal.
47:43
I would work for AJ if he didn't pay me.
47:45
I did get paid to go there, but I just wanted to see him
47:48
succeed. So I was like, yeah, dude, I'll
47:50
come to all your rounds and help you out.
47:52
And it just was a bonus that he paid me.
47:53
But it also was nice that I made those relationships with Scott
47:56
and with Brian and like now works on our team, Moose, if you
48:00
know Moose is, he'd be another fun one to.
48:02
Put yourself in all those places that you need to be in order to
48:04
make those relationships. So that's a big, big thing.
48:07
It all, like, added up to be where it is now.
48:08
And it's crazy because it's like if one little thing changed or
48:10
if I was just like, oh, I don't want to put the energy in.
48:12
All like I don't want to do that.
48:13
It would. Have changed your whole.
48:15
Timeline, Yeah. Everything would be different.
48:17
So. Definitely still involves a lot
48:19
of hard work for like on the back end before you even meet
48:22
anyone. You still got to put yourself
48:24
out there and go do shit, so. That's interesting that you said
48:26
that, like nowadays it is. It is probably fucking way
48:29
harder to get sponsors and partnerships and every people.
48:34
Always seems hard to me. I don't know.
48:35
Here's Remember how early? You're just like this seems
48:38
impossible always I feel. Like remember how earlier we
48:40
talked about how or me and me and Alex were talking about how
48:43
we I on the Discord, There's like for us, there's like a
48:46
window into like that next younger generation of drifting.
48:48
There's kids on there playing games that are fucking 1617
48:52
years old, drifting. It is nuts.
48:54
And I'm like, what the fuck you're doing Everything I've
48:56
done cool in my life and you know you're you don't you
49:01
haven't graduated high school yet.
49:03
Like, what the fuck? So there's a kid on there, Reese
49:06
Conklin. He's something like the Yeah,
49:08
Reese. You do.
49:08
I know him very. Well, yeah, yeah.
49:10
Yeah. Just one E 10.
49:12
Yeah. So does that mean he can do what
49:14
you're doing now? He has to.
49:16
So E 10 is a Championship base, so he has to finish certain, you
49:21
know somewhere, and I don't know what his top three, whatever it
49:23
is in East 10 in their championship at the end of the
49:27
season in order to have his pro license.
49:30
Reese is in a really good spot. Yeah, that's an example of a kid
49:33
who I feel like. Yeah, so Reese is also not to
49:37
take anything away from his story.
49:38
I know him pretty well. I talked to him at the rounds.
49:40
He comes to a lot of the rounds. He's honestly one of the nicest
49:43
kids you'll ever be. Super nice.
49:44
He is in a really good spot because he is close family
49:48
friends with von getting junior so like he if he plays his cards
49:53
right I'm just I'll throw it out here now watch if he's driving
49:55
an Archer one day Remember we talked about it here we should
49:58
conspiracy there and I said to him I talked about Atlanta you
50:02
need to you need to ride. This is hard.
50:05
You need to figure out whatever you can, you know, with that
50:08
relationship, I don't care if you got to go there every single
50:11
day and sweep the freaking floors.
50:13
You know, You got to figure out a way to grow yourself and and
50:16
and ride the, you know, the fun Haver RTR thing.
50:18
And that's he's he's doing great for himself.
50:19
He's he's really good. At driving he's.
50:21
Super humble. He's super, you know, he's just
50:23
a really good kid. And to your point before, it's
50:25
like crazy to see how these young kids now can get into this
50:28
sport. Like there's a dude that
50:29
competes in FD with us. He's like, he was 15 last year
50:31
and I'm like, I remember I'm back, I'm at Rd.
50:33
Atlanta, It's like top eight or something like that.
50:35
His name is Jaden. Super nice kid.
50:36
Also, he's 15 years old in a Corvette and I'm like 30 year
50:41
old Alex. Like, dude, I'm about to battle
50:42
a 15 year old. I'm like, you know what I did
50:43
when I was 15, dude, I didn't want to talk about it on a
50:46
microphone. I know what I mean.
50:48
There wasn't driving drift cars that rode Atlanta.
50:49
I don't. Even remember what I was doing
50:51
at 15. Probably beating off somewhere
50:52
but like, but I really can't think of what I definitely don't
50:56
have that attitude. Didn't have that attitude that
50:59
they have, which was like. It's crazy to what the The Sims
51:01
and stuff have done, like the next generation of like, I'll
51:04
use it in drifting, but in a lot of Motorsports, next generation
51:06
of of drivers isn't. It's just going to be nuts from
51:09
SIM stuff. Crazy, you know, because it's
51:11
just crazy. They go in and they get in a car
51:13
and they just rip and it's. Like, if you're hearing this,
51:15
fuck you dude. You're you're you're cool kid.
51:17
But I'm still going to, I'm still going to put it on you,
51:20
dude. We're going to.
51:20
We're going to race it one day. Dude it's it's it's really
51:23
impressive and it's cool to see what it what it'll develop but I
51:26
but it's it's discouraging as me like man I had to prove.
51:28
There's not really this bad, you know.
51:30
What I mean like feel like? So who?
51:33
Won. I beat him, yeah.
51:35
To be fair, he had like 400 or I remember coming down the front
51:41
straight. He was in like a stock LS
51:43
Corvette in FD, which is hard. And at Rd.
51:45
Atlanta, we're coming down the hill and I'm like, dude, you got
51:48
you got to start moving, dude, I'm like, I can't enter this
51:51
slow. My car is like keyed up right
51:53
now. It is not going to drift this
51:54
slow. That's that's one of the things
51:56
and. It's like he leaves the line
51:57
because I was in the burnout box and I watched his battle before
52:00
and he left the line and I you would think he entered at like
52:02
200. He's like, you know, things
52:04
rowing like 5 gears down the straightaway and making all this
52:07
noise from an LS. And I was like, man, that thing
52:09
rips. So we get out and he's through
52:11
the line and he's slamming gears and I'm just like, and I'm like,
52:17
Oh my God. I'm like this kid's got to get
52:18
the hell out of my way. I'm like, this kid's got to get
52:20
on. The cab though, to drift with
52:21
someone slower. Oh, it's it's my biggest.
52:23
It's my kryptonite in drifting, if I'm being honest with.
52:25
You Rd. Atlanta Then what a fucking sick
52:27
track, huh? Yeah, it's sick.
52:29
My first only podium we. Tried to play.
52:32
Speaking of fucking Reese again, we were playing Rd.
52:34
Atlanta the other day with like these more high power cars and I
52:38
can't do that shit. Shit, shit's so confusing to me.
52:41
That shit though. So you hold hard.
52:42
In a video game. To you, right, It's like it's
52:44
like a it. It's not, but it's not even like
52:47
a crazy amount of turns. Right.
52:48
Go down a fucking like well, yo, you're.
52:50
Hauling ass by the time you get to that bottom.
52:53
Have you seen rhodolena in person?
52:55
No. Or like, dude, it is if,
52:57
especially if you haven't seen it in person.
52:58
There is no camera or anything that can portray how steep it is
53:03
and you're literally on a ski slope like that.
53:05
Yeah, like you are like when you're at the burnout box or
53:08
like behind it. You can't even see like any of
53:11
the track except for like all the way at the top of the hill,
53:14
cuz it drops. It drops hard, that's.
53:16
Why? I was like, that's scary.
53:18
Yeah, that entrance in a loan to the track is like going up a
53:21
black diamond. I feel like to pull into the
53:23
track like with your with your rig.
53:25
Is that one of your favourites? It's definitely a cool one.
53:28
It's got to be. It's my favorite because I I got
53:30
a podium there. So, like, that's cool, but.
53:32
Right. Nice.
53:32
Very nice. Yeah, I like Utah.
53:34
Utah is hasn't done me well in terms of luck, but it's just
53:39
probably one of the most ballsy tracks.
53:40
That track is kind of rough. Like hard to?
53:43
It's fast. It's really.
53:44
Fast. Was it Ricky that was talking
53:45
about that? It might have been.
53:47
I don't know if that. Makes sense or Mike.
53:50
Yeah, someone. But what I do, what I was about
53:53
to ask is, is it car? Is it harder because the car is
53:55
getting issues a little bit because of the elevation?
53:58
It's like I heard people's tunes started.
54:00
We've been fine with that. Oh, OK, mine.
54:03
Like, in terms of again, my car, maybe, I don't know what
54:06
combination. It's probably because I'm going
54:09
to really throw out some plugs here, but like link because it's
54:12
on the link I I have the the it's probably.
54:16
The Nos. Energy the.
54:17
The the the head guy from Link, Jason tuned my car.
54:20
So like you know that's if you have the tuner that knows the
54:22
product that well it's obviously and then like Hartsock.
54:25
So I don't even know who Biddy's is.
54:26
Brian Hartsock he's Ryan Turk's crew chief.
54:29
He wired my whole car. He he wires a lot of cars like
54:32
he did all of Forsberg's cars and stuff like that.
54:36
So like with the package that we have built by Brian, like the
54:40
car has just been so comically reliable.
54:43
You know what I mean? Like comically is a word.
54:45
It's like it's it's it's so it's so nice compared to previous.
54:49
Things that I got every car that Brian touches to be honest.
54:53
But isn't the thing that, like, isn't that crazy that that's
54:56
what you're calling reliable now?
54:58
And in my opinion, I I feel like everyone years ago was just like
55:01
it's. An LS it's just going to work.
55:02
Forever like blah blah blah blah blah.
55:04
Imagine having 1000 plus horsepower turbocharged car.
55:07
That only thing you do do is change the spark plugs.
55:08
That's what I'm saying. Like and I mean that's once a
55:10
year. That's pretty awesome, man.
55:12
I didn't. I.
55:13
Don't run ethanol though. So like ethanol eats a lot of
55:15
stuff. We run VP race gas.
55:17
So like it's different. Like I keep it's a gasoline
55:20
based product in my car, so it doesn't eat injectors, it
55:23
doesn't eat fuel pumps, doesn't eat the gas tanks and stuff like
55:25
that. It's does.
55:26
Does that like run through your your stuff?
55:28
Does that a crazy wear difference on the?
55:31
Ethanol. Yeah.
55:32
Ethanol destroys stuff. Or if you have like there's like
55:36
a certain chemical in like some race gases that'll eat a lot of
55:39
stuff like valves and valve seats and stuff like that.
55:41
We run a very pretty neutral fuel.
55:43
We run C-16. You can run it in a lawnmower if
55:45
you really wanted to. It's just really good burns.
55:48
Well, VR makes so much power, doesn't really matter.
55:51
But yeah, we did at at Utah, we didn't have much elevation.
55:54
We turned the power up like we went from 18 lbs to 24, which is
55:57
why I'm I just never turned it back down.
55:59
I was still on 24, to be honest with you.
56:00
But that's a thing though, right?
56:02
Like, I'm not. I always feel like we've talked
56:03
with somebody where they're like, yeah, you're up there.
56:05
The car is running totally different.
56:07
Yeah, I I went to Grid Life. What was it called?
56:10
Alpine Horizon in 2021 and my wife's family friends let us
56:15
borrow their Honda S2000 has a like it's a car to get to and
56:19
from the hotel and track. That's a pretty sick, like, what
56:21
the fuck? Like here's an S2 Ki.
56:24
Love that car. I know you.
56:25
Do That's such a weird Frankie car to Because I don't.
56:27
Like convertibles, but it's. You won't love it if you're in
56:30
Colorado. Because we we.
56:32
Went and got dinner and it's like me Chris Forsberg has his
56:36
Ram 25 or 3500 and then the other crew guys had the GMC
56:39
Kodiak because we had two rigs there and we leave and we get on
56:42
like I-70 or something and these two trucks are walking me in
56:46
this S2. I mean they are gone because S
56:48
2000 is not already a super fast car, but when you're at like
56:50
7000 feet, that thing cannot get out of its own way.
56:54
Like you were at like 8000 RPM just trying to merge with
56:57
traffic. But that 8000 RPM is sick it
56:59
probably. Sounds dope, but then you're
57:01
watching a Mini. Yeah.
57:03
It's crazy that what the elevation will do like even like
57:05
the I drove the Infiniti demo car we have there, which is like
57:08
a 500 horsepower VK 56. And that thing was struggling in
57:12
Colorado and I thought it that was the first time I ever drove
57:14
it. So like man, this scene doesn't
57:15
make that much power. Then I drove it at Michigan and
57:17
I'm like this sinks so fast. It's crazy how?
57:20
Your cars handle it so well, Do you guys just have, do you have
57:22
different? Boost dudes, Turbo, he just
57:24
said. He upped the boost.
57:25
Trying to boost, That was it. Yeah.
57:27
The NA guys have a hard time with the turbo guys who just
57:30
turned the boost. Up to compensate for.
57:33
It really any more strain on basically anything because it's
57:36
just making the same power. Yeah, like the turbo's spinning
57:38
faster, but that's about it. Still meant to do that.
57:41
What? What would?
57:42
I guess, yeah, technically, what's getting strained?
57:46
Nothing. You're delivering more fuel.
57:47
Yeah, they're just making the same power, Yeah, they're just
57:50
using more boost to do it. Just replacing atmosphere with
57:53
boost. So I know your your engine's
57:56
built now, but before that you said you were running like 600
57:59
horsepower on stock. Yeah.
58:00
So there at we couldn't turn it up that much because it was
58:04
stock. So like the first year of doing
58:06
Utah to stock motor and it was definitely pretty like we were
58:10
running like 30 something PSI tire pressure which is pretty
58:14
high on that car. On the rear.
58:16
And the rear, like I run single digits now in my left E car, but
58:20
like then we were like airing it up.
58:21
We had the rear I this is a controversial topic in drifting
58:24
super anti sway bars but we had like the rear sway bar keyed as
58:28
tight as it can go. We had like the shocks cranked.
58:31
We had everything we could do to try to make that car drift at
58:33
Utah because of that's the real reason why I wanted to build the
58:36
motor was obviously so I'm going to go back to Utah.
58:38
The car will be fast enough to be now the car do the speed
58:40
difference. Now you want to know a real
58:43
crazy statistic and what you can do and this is talking about
58:45
tires. If you were to go and look at
58:48
I'm using Forsberg as an example, we keep talking about
58:50
him. But if you look at run of one of
58:52
Forsberg's lead runs at Utah, like a good lead run that he
58:55
laid down and you put a stopwatch on, like initiation
58:58
marker 3 and the finish line, and then you put one on my
59:02
qualifying lap, my car was over a half a second faster through
59:06
the course on a 255 and he's on a 295.
59:08
And that's the same line, same zone, same everything.
59:11
Why is that? Because grip is like it doesn't
59:15
matter, like if you're on a 255, it doesn't necessarily mean that
59:17
the car is going to be slower than a 295 because it's all
59:20
about like power to grip ratio. So like if you just dial the car
59:23
in the right way, like how much power you can you need for the
59:26
grip that it can achieve. Like they can go just as fast.
59:29
Like everyone thinks that a pro spec car goes a lot slower.
59:31
Now doing wrong there's are tracks that you can get more out
59:34
of like a two and who knows what pressure Chris was running and
59:36
who knows. I'm usually as an example
59:38
because I did this exact scenario and there's a lot of
59:40
people there was there was cars we were way faster than and then
59:43
there was cars that we were slower than.
59:45
But it's just shows that like these crazy big tires are like
59:49
kind of not really that needed. Like if you're in New Jersey,
59:51
which is a really tight track like a two, you're never going
59:54
to make a 255 car keep up with a 295 because they could use the
59:56
tires. But I feel like if you you're if
59:58
you're if you're just boost is high and you're on a 255 and
1:00:03
you're just lighting them up, you're not even really giving
1:00:05
the tire an opportunity to work. Exactly.
1:00:08
So there's this balance. I feel like that's what we're
1:00:10
talking about right now. Exactly.
1:00:11
It's all about like finding the sweet spot.
1:00:12
That's why we don't usually run the power really far up because
1:00:15
there's no point. Do you see people on in FD like
1:00:17
in pro spec that show up with like 1200 wheel horsepower on?
1:00:20
Two 1200. And like, pro.
1:00:21
What the heck are you doing? Is there not a limit for that?
1:00:24
Shit. Melting the tire off.
1:00:25
Going literally nowhere. The regulation is still tire
1:00:28
sized to. Not in pro spec or no.
1:00:31
Well, so we all have a minimum weight which is £2900 that we
1:00:35
can't be anything less than that.
1:00:36
OK, my car is with me in it 2950 which is pretty light for AZ.
1:00:41
That's really light for. AZ pretty precise like you do.
1:00:43
You are people trying to get it close to 29 as possible.
1:00:46
You want to be around 2950. That's the goal.
1:00:48
Because if you blow your bumpers off and you actually it was even
1:00:51
crazier, You lose about 20 lbs in two runs just off tire and
1:00:56
fuel like fuel tire that you use.
1:00:58
You'll lose about £20 just from wearing the tire down and
1:01:00
running fuel out of the car. Yeah, and then if you blow a
1:01:02
bumper off and all that stuff too.
1:01:04
How much? How much is Arrow weigh?
1:01:06
Yeah, Imagine. You lose all of it.
1:01:08
In my case is not much because everything is carbon.
1:01:10
My front bumper would be 90 lbs of bondo so.
1:01:15
Yeah, 'cause then, Oh yeah, it's like it's like check out this
1:01:17
lightweight mod. Yeah, like.
1:01:19
The fucking bumper just flies off.
1:01:21
Do they? Will they just weigh your cars
1:01:23
at random? OK.
1:01:24
Yeah, a lot of times. Sometimes it depends.
1:01:26
I feel like they used to do it a lot more.
1:01:27
I don't know the rhyme or reason why they don't as much as they
1:01:30
used to, but I remember like my first year of FD, every time you
1:01:33
lost the battle, you'd pull on. Wait.
1:01:35
Yeah. Why do I feel like this?
1:01:37
Maybe last year, maybe the year before that when they were
1:01:39
weighing in, I was so confused why they were doing it so often.
1:01:43
Maybe this is they're? Just trying to catch stuff like
1:01:45
that. They're always trying to catch
1:01:46
little things. FD is like insanely analytical
1:01:49
on a lot of stuff, which is good because you want to see the
1:01:51
score grow. But they're very they take the
1:01:54
data, they pull off stuff is nuts because like they have,
1:01:56
they can access all of our data on all of our cars.
1:01:58
They have a plug that they could plug into and they any random
1:02:00
time, they could pull any sort of data they want off anyone's
1:02:03
car. All link ECU's.
1:02:05
Too well, especially on ours it's easy.
1:02:06
But even the pro class, they all have to have a like a DT Yeah
1:02:09
DTM connector which which is like can high and low.
1:02:12
And they could pull all the data off anyone like Chris's car
1:02:14
anyway. Any car.
1:02:15
Even my Motech to Holly. Whatever it is, they have to be
1:02:18
able to pull it off. It's like part of their rule.
1:02:20
I'm trying to think how I could. Is it so?
1:02:23
Yeah, what if you ran a power? How do I cheat?
1:02:25
How would you well? That's been my argument.
1:02:27
How would you cheat things like? How?
1:02:28
How would you possibly cheat like?
1:02:30
Like, there's definitely ways, I'm sure.
1:02:32
But he got the he got the flame tune, yeah.
1:02:36
Like like is that what their? Traction controls as well.
1:02:38
A lot of time they're looking. For oh, traction.
1:02:39
Controls not allowed. It's it's completely removed
1:02:42
from our link. ECU's, like all the species use
1:02:45
we get from Link for Prospec, don't even have the ability to
1:02:48
run the traction control or a lot of the features that they
1:02:50
have. Is that really like what would
1:02:51
oh so that it would like maybe grip up a little quicker or
1:02:54
something using a computer? Yeah.
1:02:56
Another way of using traction control though is just like
1:02:57
lifting your foot up a. Little bit you can.
1:02:59
Just. Find.
1:03:00
The grip I'm like but. Some people, I don't know, it's
1:03:02
it's because I don't know, they're trying to make it so
1:03:05
they say cheaper and like more fair for people.
1:03:09
That's why they have like their no steering column rule and the
1:03:13
stock pedal box rule and like you can't run air jacks and like
1:03:16
weird stuff. I'm kind of into all that.
1:03:18
I love it, dude. I saw somebody.
1:03:20
I like that they kind of try to keep it.
1:03:21
Yeah, I I do. I like the fact that they try to
1:03:25
keep it less crazy. I hate how my car had an
1:03:28
aftermarket steering column and pedal box and I had to reverse
1:03:31
it because it was just a lot of money.
1:03:32
So they went. Backwards with that or.
1:03:34
Yeah, they made it. Or you could take a points
1:03:36
deduction for every round that you do with those modifications.
1:03:39
I don't even know if you're grandfathered in, which is my
1:03:41
car had all that. So it's funny enough, I brought
1:03:44
the car to Brian and he put the stock steering column back in in
1:03:47
the Woodward steering column bracket.
1:03:50
So it's literally just a stock steering column in the place
1:03:52
that the Woodward one was in, which is funny because it's kind
1:03:55
of like my little like jab to FD like haha, what are you going to
1:03:58
do? It's a stock.
1:03:59
Steering hole. It's a loophole.
1:04:00
There you go. So and then I actually much
1:04:02
prefer the the stock pedals to the pedal box.
1:04:06
That one I'm actually pretty happy with.
1:04:07
We run AFRS throttle pedal, which I it's nice.
1:04:11
The problem is it might just be something with our setup.
1:04:15
It's very finicky. Like it.
1:04:17
It's some reason the ECU and IT don't get along a lot and it
1:04:19
throws weird code sometimes and it it does weird stuff.
1:04:22
But overall, I like the way it feels better.
1:04:24
But I like the the thought of the rule of keeping things more
1:04:27
OEM. I really do like, I I do believe
1:04:29
in that. It's just kind of funny because
1:04:30
like, those steering columns are safer than a stock one in the
1:04:35
event of a crash. So like, you're going to tell
1:04:36
people that you can't run a safer thing.
1:04:38
It's kind of silly to me. And there's really no
1:04:41
competitive advantage to having a pedal box.
1:04:43
There isn't besides the fact that you can fit yourself in a
1:04:45
car better, but I don't know how that's a competitive advantage.
1:04:48
So like it is, that one was a little weird, you know, But
1:04:51
whatever it is, but it still. Require like the the strut
1:04:54
towers to be the same location or something.
1:04:56
Like that, yeah. You can't do any chassis
1:04:58
modifications in between the strut towers like front and rear
1:05:01
in the sense, which is why my S13 wasn't legal for FD funny
1:05:04
enough. Which is what ended up another
1:05:06
reason because I would just took that but my car has, I didn't do
1:05:08
it but it's rear tubs in the back.
1:05:10
OK, so and we just sent to the pictures of FD and they're like,
1:05:13
yeah, you can't. You can do that.
1:05:15
Because of the rear tubs. So I was like, alright, I gotta
1:05:17
find a new car and. I want to see.
1:05:19
The FD that I really. Like, I want to see one with
1:05:21
like, full interior, dude. Yeah, like, you know what I'm
1:05:24
saying? We're on the same page.
1:05:25
Frank, this makes it so heavy. That's the thing.
1:05:27
I know it's. All about like weight.
1:05:28
But like, you gotta get the weight.
1:05:29
But like, I want somebody's style.
1:05:31
Your S13, I was going to say like.
1:05:33
I want to put a carpet in that so bad.
1:05:34
Speaking of interiors, if that was to put a carpet in it, so
1:05:37
bad. You can get what's stopping you,
1:05:38
what's stopping. You there's an expensive carpets
1:05:40
are dude. Oh my, Frankie just hacked one
1:05:43
of. No.
1:05:43
You can get the. Nice like black carpet.
1:05:45
You get the OEM. What do they called?
1:05:47
Don't look at me. You guys did something with They
1:05:49
just put one in his car. Malcolm, you remember those
1:05:51
carpets? Malcolm Ki don't remember.
1:05:52
I don't. I don't remember the name.
1:05:54
They're on our website, I think, but this is like an aftermarket
1:05:57
company that makes this carpet. It's not like molded perfectly.
1:05:59
Custom car carpet. I mean, I got caged and stuff
1:06:01
too, so it's like not really going to fit that great.
1:06:04
I mean, hey. I'm saying.
1:06:05
Like your car, let's say you drove that car, that S13 that
1:06:08
was on the screen earlier, right?
1:06:10
Yeah we saw it earlier when like you know at the keep the page
1:06:14
really quick and it was drifting at evaluation and I was like
1:06:17
damn that looks like a pretty cool S13 and then it boom rear
1:06:19
mounted radiator set up. I'm like what the fuck?
1:06:23
It looks like a pretty Street car car from the front and I'm
1:06:25
like, what the but. It's definitely very like
1:06:30
competition esque build. Like it's stock diff.
1:06:34
It has drive shaft shop axles. It used to have a much crazier
1:06:39
angle set up, but now we have a partnership with part shop Max,
1:06:42
so it has their very basic, literally their most basic front
1:06:46
end kit that has the stock style lower control arms that are
1:06:49
extended with really. Crisp.
1:06:50
Setup. Yeah, with the PBM knuckles,
1:06:53
like the basic knuckles and it has all their rear arms in the
1:06:56
car and it tries so good. It's.
1:06:59
Like. It did.
1:07:00
It drives so unbelievably well. And I was.
1:07:02
It had GK tech before it and also good.
1:07:06
I I like the GK tech. Don't get me wrong, it's.
1:07:08
Just I don't like the whole angle.
1:07:09
This shit is crazy. Man the thing with the Parkshop
1:07:12
Max stuff and take it however you want 'cause you always
1:07:15
everyone's got an opinion on everything.
1:07:17
In my opinion. Parkshop Max to GK Tech.
1:07:19
The Parkshop Max stuff is such higher quality their heim joints
1:07:22
are so much nicer and like any like I used to blow, I'm joints
1:07:26
apart with my GK tech stuff like all the time.
1:07:28
Yeah, but you will pay for it a little bit, I think, right?
1:07:30
Yeah, there has to be more money.
1:07:32
Yeah, yeah. I mean I for the.
1:07:34
Price GK tech is ridiculously good.
1:07:36
It is good for the money. It's super great for the money.
1:07:38
They make a lot of stuff too, like tons of GK tech products.
1:07:42
And I'll say I said it before, I say it again, they their
1:07:44
wholesalers, we don't make a lot of money on this stuff.
1:07:47
But like it's impossible for me to not try to sell it to of
1:07:50
course customers, because I'm like it's all black.
1:07:53
It looks good. It works the.
1:07:55
Geometry's great. They don't have geometry issues.
1:07:57
If they like upgraded the quality of their hind joints and
1:08:00
some stuff and their tie rods, I think that they'd have a really
1:08:02
good product. I actually have one gripe
1:08:04
though. Rear upper control arms.
1:08:07
Oh my God. I don't like any of their rear
1:08:09
arms, if I'm being honest with you, I broke so many of.
1:08:11
Them I I don't have many problems with them if I'm.
1:08:12
If I'm, if we're building a drift car it's fine.
1:08:15
If we're if we're building a comp or something like that car,
1:08:22
it's fine, but the second you need to add negative camber, the
1:08:25
rear upper control arms will not let you add like even one to two
1:08:30
degrees of negative camber. It's so weird and it's the only
1:08:33
ARM company I've seen. Do that.
1:08:34
That is interesting. I've never tried to run that
1:08:36
negative with home except for I've broken camber arms on it.
1:08:39
Many times. I've broken GK Tech camber arms,
1:08:41
and it'd be a lot more than two degrees in that.
1:08:43
Yeah. It's so strange.
1:08:45
I mean, I think there's a way you can, like, reverse
1:08:46
something. I think Chris figured it out
1:08:48
like he took one nut out or something and then he was able
1:08:50
to get like another degree. But that was it.
1:08:53
It was so. Strange, yeah?
1:08:53
But then the fact that you got to take.
1:08:56
Yeah, it's crazy. The I I think about it all the
1:08:58
time when you're installing a product is like the average
1:09:01
person. Would they think this way?
1:09:03
Yeah, no, probably not. Definitely not.
1:09:05
Because we were, we were doing, messing around with my car in
1:09:07
the garage last weekend and Chris started doing a bunch of
1:09:10
shit and I'm laying down on the ground.
1:09:11
I'm like, thank God you're here because I would have never
1:09:13
thought to go that way like. How is your car going?
1:09:17
Oh, that good. What do?
1:09:19
You have I have an IS that I'm putting A1J in really.
1:09:22
I love IS300. A good car, man.
1:09:25
It was a great all around her. And then it was a GE, and I
1:09:29
drifted it a lot with a GE. Yeah, and now I wanted the one
1:09:34
J, because there's nothing more enticing to my ears than A1J.
1:09:37
Well, 1J. VTi, from what I've been told is
1:09:39
a really easy swap for IS300. Dude, it dropped right in,
1:09:42
bolted right up. Now I'm on the part.
1:09:44
Yeah, do the wiring situation for this, I thought.
1:09:47
That it was easy to make them work.
1:09:50
Because you well, it depends on what ECU you have I guess,
1:09:52
right? Yeah, and I'm running it on a
1:09:54
Power FC as well, so basically. I've definitely seen this car.
1:09:57
You have to. Run.
1:09:58
You have to run the stock ECU in conjunction with the standalone
1:10:02
just so that you're like window work.
1:10:05
Do not play that video. Do not play.
1:10:07
That video. That's a great video, dude.
1:10:10
Fuck, there you go. That.
1:10:12
Look at the look at the grill. Look at the grill.
1:10:14
That shit. 'S flying off.
1:10:16
I love that. What?
1:10:17
Trans. CD I did a CD swap on that.
1:10:21
I I mean, I feel like if I had AW, it would have.
1:10:25
I would have blew one of them up by now.
1:10:26
You had the. CD for a long time.
1:10:28
And I I beat the piss out of these work.
1:10:31
Yeah, it's a great trans and not overly priced.
1:10:34
I bought it for 100 and 100 bucks.
1:10:36
Yeah, that's cheap. It was.
1:10:37
It's not the nine. It's like.
1:10:39
A one or two little notchy and 1/3.
1:10:41
I just run. I run.
1:10:44
What's the one that it likes? Mt 85 GL4 fluid specifically I
1:10:49
guess. Yeah.
1:10:50
I think jerks off the GL4 fluid, but if you put normal
1:10:53
translucent it's considerably louder.
1:10:55
Yeah, so. Yeah, I have one of those recall
1:10:58
CDO nines in my S13 so. Recall.
1:11:02
Yeah, the ones that when you let the clutch out of neutral sounds
1:11:04
like a car has a rod knock. That's my car.
1:11:09
Is that? Okay.
1:11:10
It's like a recall thing. So my car, the Infinity we have
1:11:14
has the same or Chris has that car has the same exact noise.
1:11:17
I remember I was doing a Hunnigan event in Atlantic City
1:11:20
and I'm like sitting there and like, Hurt walks up to me and
1:11:23
he's like, dude, like shut it off.
1:11:24
Like the motor blew up. I'm like, I'm like hurt.
1:11:26
Look, I push the clutch in and it goes away.
1:11:28
He's like, what? He's just a trans dude.
1:11:31
Dude, that tell me that's not the shit my mind makes.
1:11:35
It used to make it really badly, but I did my trans swap like 16
1:11:38
to 17 times with my buddy. How does it fit in an IS300 is
1:11:41
what I want to know. I do.
1:11:43
You have the like, is the bell housing cut off?
1:11:45
I cut it, yeah. So it's one of those.
1:11:46
So I have auto bell housing. It's like a J2 bell housing.
1:11:51
It bolts right in. I can do it myself all the time,
1:11:53
but. You got a lot of practice.
1:11:55
I also did it a bunch of times like.
1:11:58
I can tell you the CD that's in my S13 has not been out of it
1:12:01
since the day the car was built. OK?
1:12:02
It's ever. It's never been out.
1:12:04
It's friends like you that encourage friends like me to go
1:12:08
try it. And then when I go try it, it
1:12:10
doesn't work out at all. My buddy had ACD Darrell, my new
1:12:13
roommate by the way, lives at my house now.
1:12:17
The. He had ACD, did a swap, didn't
1:12:21
touch it for three years or two years.
1:12:23
Regardless, he loved it, dude. And I was like, wow, that sounds
1:12:26
awesome. What was your?
1:12:27
Problem though the whole time Was it clutch?
1:12:29
Clutch. Flywheel.
1:12:29
The kit that I used, it was a Collins kit when I cut the yeah,
1:12:34
sorry to hear that. Yeah, I didn't like it.
1:12:35
I. Actually like him a lot.
1:12:36
Like, he's a cool dude, but. The.
1:12:38
Product stuff. The product was like and this is
1:12:42
you can again take this how you please but man like the the the
1:12:46
slave cylinder it uses AT 56 one the the the T56 slave cylinder
1:12:50
that comes with the kit is just a normal duralast 1 like I
1:12:53
bought one from AutoZone from another I forget what is it a
1:12:56
Camaro of some sort and I compared the two same exact
1:13:00
thing clutch was like just a normal spec 350Z clutch in case
1:13:03
you didn't know that and I did it 17 times because.
1:13:08
Is it really actually 17 times? Yeah, it wouldn't.
1:13:12
It wouldn't go into the first time.
1:13:13
When we were putting it in, I mentioned the slave cylinder.
1:13:16
I rocked. Maybe we.
1:13:18
Rocked. Internal slave we maybe rocked
1:13:21
the the trans I guess too hard and then it managed to break the
1:13:26
slave cylinder and you put it in and it leaked and it was already
1:13:28
in and we're bleeding the clutch and that shit is just pissing
1:13:31
And I'm like, OK, all right we're just going to do this
1:13:35
again and we did it again and again and again and again and
1:13:38
now it won't go into gear. So then I'm like, OK, what's up
1:13:40
with this and? You didn't know it was broken
1:13:42
yet? No, I just made AI, did a bunch
1:13:44
of different things that the the the flywheel was hitting the
1:13:47
motor like when it was. Bolted to the motor, dude.
1:13:51
Huh. No, no, no, no.
1:13:52
No, it was. Hitting like it was hitting
1:13:54
like. Something and I had to you.
1:13:55
Ever break a flywheel? No, I broke a flywheel once on
1:13:58
the FD. Card like where it pops out.
1:14:00
No, like it broke. The whole the outer ring was
1:14:03
apparently welded on. I didn't learn this, so I was at
1:14:05
Horny Moves last year. I'm like in my FD cards Friday
1:14:09
night and I'm like stoked because I love Honda moves
1:14:12
because it's like after the FDA event and we just go and beat
1:14:14
the crap out of our FTR. Is that English town?
1:14:16
This is fun. You know?
1:14:17
It's like, it's the second thing to do.
1:14:18
So I'm sitting in line. I have like 10 of my, like,
1:14:21
homies all behind me. I'm about ready to lead and
1:14:23
someone like wabs the wall, like, wrecks their shit in the
1:14:26
wall. So I'm like, all right, shut the
1:14:28
car off. We're all sitting there waiting.
1:14:29
It's now getting cold because it's a cold October night and
1:14:32
like, they clear the track. You're like, all right, go.
1:14:34
So I hit the start and it's just like nothing.
1:14:37
And so my car's dry some, right? So there's a belt that runs the
1:14:39
oil pump. So I hit the start button and I
1:14:41
hear like, a noise, but I don't see the oil pressure go up.
1:14:43
And I'm like, I'm like, oh, no, I thought the dry some pump belt
1:14:46
fell off. And I thought my motor was done.
1:14:47
Totally. I thought it was blown up.
1:14:49
So I'm like, freaking out. So I jump out of the car, I rip
1:14:52
the hood off. I throw the hood off the car and
1:14:54
I look down, the belt's on. I'm like, OK, I'm like that's
1:14:56
good. Panic.
1:14:57
So like I tell like my wife's in the car, I'm like hit the start
1:15:00
button, she hits it. Nothing moves like the like
1:15:03
nothing is moving. I just feel like I'm like, what
1:15:05
the fuck is going on? So like tow the car off, I Jack
1:15:08
it up, hit the starter button, I'm under the car and I see this
1:15:11
the. Outer ring of the.
1:15:12
Flywheel's spinning, just spinning, but the flywheel is
1:15:15
not moving. I hope that never.
1:15:17
Happens. Oh well.
1:15:17
Yeah. So I took it to the Chris Knapp
1:15:20
shop there and we put it up and I welded it like because it's
1:15:23
pretty easy to get into my bell housing setup.
1:15:25
So like, I just put a bunch of welds and what Chris actually
1:15:28
did, put a bunch of welds on the flywheel to put it back together
1:15:32
and I drove it for that. And like another test day after
1:15:34
that. No.
1:15:35
And then put a new flywheel in the car.
1:15:36
Yeah, you didn't. Have to like perfectly line it
1:15:38
up. Oh, it was not.
1:15:39
When you hit the starter, it did not sound good.
1:15:40
It was like, it was like, it is like, 'cause it was all, you
1:15:44
know, weird and the welding slag and shit just.
1:15:47
Probably. Oh, you mean after you fixed it?
1:15:50
After I fixed it. Like the the flywheel did not
1:15:52
sound good when it was on. When you're hitting the starter
1:15:54
did not sound good. But when it was spinning?
1:15:56
Yeah, when? You're using it.
1:15:57
It was fine. It was just when the starter was
1:15:59
engaging with it. That's.
1:16:00
Great. That's that's cool though, dude.
1:16:02
I I mean, I I knew that going the CD route was going to
1:16:06
shortcut. If I wanted to go one J 'cause
1:16:08
then now it's just gonna be fine.
1:16:11
I can just do. I just unbolted everything from
1:16:13
a GE, put it on the one J and threw it in the.
1:16:15
Car so the same clutch, flywheel, everything.
1:16:17
Everything is the same. I use a Collins drive shaft that
1:16:20
was a good product. I I have no complaints about
1:16:22
that part of the your. Car was automatic originally.
1:16:25
Yeah. And so I have a 389 DIF in the
1:16:30
back that's now welded and then it's.
1:16:32
A good range for a for a CD. Yeah, I think that's awesome
1:16:34
because. Now now with the one Ji could be
1:16:36
in 3rd. Before I would put it in 3rd and
1:16:38
it would sound like it was. I'm like, not happy about.
1:16:42
It couldn't drift third gear with that ratio with a stock
1:16:44
with BBTITJZ. I'm like, damn, like just one
1:16:50
more. One more, one more like coming
1:16:52
off the bank. I would just pop it in a third
1:16:54
and then just it was so fun. Oh dude, I won't.
1:16:58
Yeah, you definitely drove the shit out of that.
1:17:00
Even me just doing that little motion I want to drive so badly
1:17:03
right now. Fuck yeah, feed it right now.
1:17:04
I want to. Drive.
1:17:05
So what do you have left? Dude, fuck if I.
1:17:08
Know just wiring. Just wiring.
1:17:10
We got it to crank, which it sounds exactly like the old
1:17:13
school. You're going to run.
1:17:15
I have an Hexi Power FC. Oh my God.
1:17:19
Dude. What is with you guys?
1:17:21
It works every it works. It works.
1:17:23
It works the game. What color hooked up to your
1:17:25
car? The the motor, the motor ran
1:17:28
amazing with it in. In OO2.
1:17:30
Do you know it is 2024? It's a rate.
1:17:33
In O. Two, and it's going to run great
1:17:35
in 24. I'm telling you, maybe it
1:17:38
doesn't have the fail. Save tune it.
1:17:40
Apexi, can you sponsor, Andy, look at what we do for you.
1:17:43
We take the hits every time, just you get us with that
1:17:46
sponsorship. They still make a Pepsi power
1:17:49
this. Thing was brand.
1:17:50
New I bought a brand. New it's.
1:17:52
A brand new product. Yeah, I don't even know the
1:17:54
company was still in business. Dude the the the commander I
1:17:56
have dude, the screen looks so good.
1:17:59
Not like yours. What you trying?
1:18:01
To say my screen of the commander is they changed.
1:18:04
It mine's mine's a new one. Yours is Yeah.
1:18:07
Oh dude, mine is serious. Question How much does a Power
1:18:10
FC cost? I.
1:18:12
The. Same you're going to sell
1:18:13
retail? Oh, OK, here you go.
1:18:14
I don't know. That's you.
1:18:15
They don't need to know the backdoors we're we're talking
1:18:17
facts. Here price a little bit.
1:18:20
What does it cost? Does someone does?
1:18:21
It cost if. Someone has A1 Jay-Z and they
1:18:24
want to buy a Power or an Sr. Maybe maybe.
1:18:27
The best one that they have. Like whatever.
1:18:29
Maybe like 13-14 hundred dollars.
1:18:31
Isn't that the price of a link? I'm not kidding.
1:18:33
And you picked that over a little link I I got I we can
1:18:38
bring you into the century. Hey I can get link too.
1:18:41
We can get link. He's got a guy.
1:18:42
Chris has a power of sea too. And we all.
1:18:45
That's why we're all trying to drift together on power.
1:18:48
The funniest part is that the Front St. guys have power of
1:18:50
sees. That's the funniest part, no
1:18:52
the. Josh has.
1:18:53
One Josh has a does. He have a link now I.
1:18:54
Think he is a link Link I think sounds way too cool to be on a
1:18:57
power of sea. First of all, wrong.
1:18:59
I think of. All, Why do I feel like?
1:19:01
No, I think he might have just switched to.
1:19:03
Just did. Like, literally this year.
1:19:05
Yeah. Yeah, So all last year before
1:19:08
that they had the best part was they went to Link and then
1:19:11
switched back. Tom was like, that limiter sucks
1:19:14
and just went. Back.
1:19:15
Well, they changed it that. Limiter sucks.
1:19:18
It's the most Tom thing I've ever.
1:19:19
Had in my life. It was great.
1:19:21
So funny, no? But yeah.
1:19:23
I would have. What's funny is what did Masaki
1:19:27
tell you out of Hexi to to tell me to do?
1:19:31
He told he. Told you to wrong to get a link.
1:19:35
He told you to run two. Yeah, you can.
1:19:38
You get the link that fits in the stock box.
1:19:39
No, but this is the guy that runs.
1:19:41
It this is the guy. He has Hexi at the desk.
1:19:44
At the desk. This guy's no.
1:19:47
I'm just saying that's a good that's a good company.
1:19:49
It's a great company. Now I'm I he's he was like yo go
1:19:51
run a link. I swear to God.
1:19:52
Yeah, he's like IS301J. Go get a link.
1:19:56
I just don't know what the fuck I'm doing now because it's like
1:19:59
I guess I picked the worst combination of parts to put
1:20:02
together. I think it's sick.
1:20:03
It's a the whole car is going to be, the whole motor is stock.
1:20:06
I just did a steel wheel upgrade for the CT 15, the factory one,
1:20:11
because the the wheel on there was ceramic and there was.
1:20:13
Pop. Chunks you don't want my toe
1:20:15
making? Come on.
1:20:17
Dude, after hearing how you described that, you can more
1:20:20
power than only make power. It'll make more power than the
1:20:23
CT15 will. I don't think I I don't think I
1:20:26
need. It that's 7000 RPF.
1:20:28
Yeah, sounds sick. You know what?
1:20:30
I do actually know what I do have you might want.
1:20:32
I got the future fab down pipe. You have that.
1:20:34
I need I would. Have the future Fab downpipe
1:20:37
with the screamer Tube. I would buy that is it.
1:20:39
If it's a stock location, turbo. I would, let me tell you it.
1:20:41
It's in my bed of my truck outside.
1:20:43
I would buy a percent buy this shit, right?
1:20:45
Now my downpipe comes with free turbo dude.
1:20:51
Maybe. We could throw that shit on on
1:20:52
the Oggies car, that turbo. Doesn't he have?
1:20:56
That he won't buy shit right now anyway.
1:20:58
This guy? No, he's got a stock turbo too.
1:21:00
But this is going to be my first like power I've never had over.
1:21:04
Every time I drift, it's just like 250 or less.
1:21:06
Maybe I will say much less. I will say, how much does your
1:21:10
car weigh? A lot.
1:21:12
Does it weigh the same as a Cressida?
1:21:13
Yeah. I will say I don't like how that
1:21:15
car feels. You just don't like no, like
1:21:18
have. You ever driven an IS?
1:21:20
They feel good. But I'm staying with the they
1:21:22
drift pretty good. With the One J on stock,
1:21:25
whatever, it's like raised Boost probably.
1:21:26
It's like 300 at the wheel I think, or a little bit more.
1:21:29
That shit felt so slow. It's probably the rear end too,
1:21:31
but it's probably just a Crescent.
1:21:34
Honestly, your rear end is probably going to feel OH.
1:21:36
That'd be perfect. That gearing would be spot on.
1:21:38
I wish that's what mine was. I have a four O 8 in my car but
1:21:40
I wish it was like. Is it too shorter or is it too
1:21:42
short shorter? Yeah, I mean it'll be fine at
1:21:44
your the power level you want to be at too and with your trans.
1:21:46
But like mine is now just like I'd rather be longer, especially
1:21:50
with a bigger turbo and stuff because like 500 horsepower like
1:21:52
you have a little bit more wheel speed would be nicer in each.
1:21:54
Gear I didn't. I didn't notice how important
1:21:57
gearing really was until like, yeah, I guess until you, you
1:22:03
have to use it. The gearing is nuts and FD like
1:22:06
we'll make gear changes multiple times like a day.
1:22:08
We'll change like sometimes depending on the track.
1:22:10
Now I know a lot of data, but when we didn't know data, we
1:22:13
changed like 10 different gear sets in a practice session and
1:22:16
each one of them is like 2 miles an hour different and we're only
1:22:19
making like a two mile an hour wheel speed difference.
1:22:22
That's how crazy we'll chase gearing.
1:22:25
Am I wrong? For like if I'm having trouble
1:22:28
with gearing and at a track I in my head I'm like there's a way
1:22:32
for me to drive this with this. I'm just not good enough to do
1:22:35
this. I need to work harder to make
1:22:37
this work with this that's. What everyone does when they
1:22:38
don't have a quick change rear end.
1:22:40
Well, yeah. Or you figure out a way to.
1:22:43
Yeah, to. Make it work.
1:22:44
There's a lot of things you can do.
1:22:46
If. You're not competing.
1:22:47
It's so different too. If you're just having fun, like
1:22:50
it doesn't really might not going to notice little nuances
1:22:53
like that, you know. Like Josh, Josh was like, you
1:22:55
know you're going to want to pick up like maybe an FRS diff
1:22:57
or something for thinking. About Josh's like psychopath.
1:23:00
So it's different, yeah. But I like talking to Josh.
1:23:02
He gives me good ideas. He's very.
1:23:03
Competitive. Yep, I know so.
1:23:06
Like. I don't know when that happened,
1:23:08
but yeah. Hey man, Josh, I hope you find
1:23:11
the love in drifting again, Man, I saw your.
1:23:13
Story Oh yeah, it was like. Man, yeah, I saw that.
1:23:16
Too crazy. See you having a moment?
1:23:17
Yeah, having a moment. I was like, what are you talking
1:23:19
about? You're the inspiration, dude.
1:23:21
He's everyone wants to sell his S15.
1:23:23
I just put. I want to buy it.
1:23:24
Dude, I don't know. I will buy it if you want to
1:23:27
sell it. I don't know what's going on,
1:23:28
but I I'm going to place my bet now that that S15 is going to be
1:23:31
drifting this year. Come on.
1:23:32
Don't drift it, Sell me it. That's.
1:23:34
My, That's my bet. No, no, no, no how?
1:23:37
I have money waiting. Let's go.
1:23:38
I'll buy it. Dude, no.
1:23:40
Don't ask Dean Streetcar so bad. They are nice.
1:23:43
So bad. He always takes a picture of the
1:23:44
when he's under there and I'm. Like and he's like, he's like,
1:23:47
oh, the rust. I was like, OK, here we go.
1:23:48
What do you mean what? Rust.
1:23:50
He's just talking himself into. He's also kind of like a
1:23:52
perfectionist in the Sr. Nissan World dude.
1:23:55
He took a guitar with the side skirt.
1:23:58
You're a. Perfectionist.
1:23:59
If you're doing shit like that. I'm telling you, dude, he's
1:24:01
trying to talk himself into it. You see Jonah's story?
1:24:04
That was probably the funniest. Shit, it's just Josh in the
1:24:07
shower, Married. And it's Josh from the back, I
1:24:12
mean. I'm glad he still cares about
1:24:13
that car that much. That's like when Josh comes here
1:24:16
on the S15. It's like I'm hanging out with
1:24:17
Josh 2014 because it's like a totally different person.
1:24:21
And then when he comes in the S13, it's like a modern day Josh
1:24:24
two point O where he doesn't care about anything, he just
1:24:25
cares about competition. He's a good driver.
1:24:28
Yeah. He is like, he's very, very
1:24:30
talented. Dude, we got to.
1:24:31
Drive. I've got some sick laps with
1:24:33
him, yeah. And my S13, yeah.
1:24:35
But I can't wait to drive with Josh this year, dude.
1:24:37
I hope it happens in a way where it's like, oh shit, here we go.
1:24:41
I'm scared I'm going to be so behind when I drive with him, he
1:24:43
knows. It too, no.
1:24:44
Yeah, because Frankie hasn't driven for, I feel like in the
1:24:47
past few years, wouldn't you say, the advancement of drifting
1:24:51
wild and you missed, you kind of been sitting.
1:24:54
For a little bit. So like, Josh is always like, I
1:24:57
can't wait to see Josh. Josh thinks I'm gonna get like
1:24:59
250 fives and this. And that's exactly what was
1:25:03
literally about to say is the biggest change in drifting is
1:25:06
the IS tires. Like honestly, it's like, it's
1:25:09
not even the tires themselves have changed.
1:25:11
It's what people consider normal to go drifting on has changed.
1:25:15
Like, you know, it used to be like run federals that are like
1:25:18
230 fives and then now everyone shows up on like 280 fives or
1:25:21
260 fives or like a good compound, like a, you know, a
1:25:24
good compound tire. You know, it's just crazy.
1:25:26
What's people consider like, I can't even picture or remember
1:25:29
the last time that I drifted on a tire that was not at FD level
1:25:33
grip. I can't even remember the last
1:25:35
time I've driven on a tire that was less than a 200 tread Ware
1:25:37
less than GT Radial or Valino Eskin grip level.
1:25:40
I definitely want to try like, good tires, like, that's
1:25:44
interesting. I've.
1:25:44
Been trying to put you on. Every time tire size I don't.
1:25:49
Know. No, no, no.
1:25:50
I can run. I'm trying to tell you some
1:25:52
tires and Frankie insists to order.
1:25:55
Oh, you mean like? That's because we always order
1:25:57
tires in two days before we leave.
1:25:59
But I tell you that like. And I'm like just pick the one
1:26:01
with the coolest name, the. Craziest name This is what?
1:26:05
They landed on They landed on Blackhawk.
1:26:07
Blackhawk. That's a sick name, right?
1:26:09
That is. A great name.
1:26:10
I was like, that's the sickest we're going to get, right?
1:26:11
Now there's some good. There's a helicopter named
1:26:13
after. That, yeah.
1:26:14
My one of my favorite Facebook pages is aside from Harbor
1:26:18
Freight Hacks, which is great Facebook.
1:26:20
I work for Snap On Dude. It's just the it's the
1:26:22
conversations that go on in there.
1:26:24
It's like, it's like, look what I use this cup holder for and
1:26:27
it's like a fucking automatic salt shaker.
1:26:30
I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?
1:26:33
But the favorite Facebook group is the tire one, where they
1:26:36
review tires. So.
1:26:38
They're just. Doing the work for you.
1:26:40
I don't have to do it. So there's Jeep.
1:26:44
Tires in that, in that. Nazo.
1:26:46
Yeah, Galen, I feel like he's the one that made that.
1:26:49
Galen loves talking about tires. Yeah, right.
1:26:51
Dude, he was. He was one of the he.
1:26:52
Was talking about set up N tires.
1:26:54
He wanted me to not sell my S13 so badly.
1:26:56
Well, he was right. Yeah, he was OK.
1:26:59
We shouldn't have sold his S14. Dude, he was.
1:27:01
That's the one he was. He was like, dude, I regret.
1:27:04
Yeah, I also Galen is a very close friend of mine.
1:27:07
Yeah, his S14, I'll say it to his face, was the worst driving
1:27:11
S chassis I've ever driven in. My entire.
1:27:14
Is it the white one life that those the with the yellow I?
1:27:17
Remember that thing I was like, and he would do my alignments
1:27:20
when he was up here, you know, at Function Motorsports, Like he
1:27:25
would do all my alignments, but he would do what I told him to
1:27:26
do and I get his car and I'm like, and what the hell are you
1:27:29
doing to this poor car? Is it 240?
1:27:31
It's a 240 and it drives like a what was he doing Ferrari or
1:27:34
it's like something that is not meant to be drifting.
1:27:36
Yeah I don't know he just I don't really know what his setup
1:27:38
like was. I'm also again, I'm on South
1:27:40
chassis, very anti front sway bar.
1:27:43
I'll never put one on any of my S anti.
1:27:44
Front or anti rear? Anti sway bars you you couldn't
1:27:47
even physically mount one. And and any S chassis that I
1:27:49
don't like. Everything's gone.
1:27:50
I'll cut out them. I'll Weld over the holes at
1:27:52
nothing. You're not putting the sway bar.
1:27:54
You're you're. You want grip then?
1:27:57
And it's just I don't. I just don't like the way that
1:27:59
it makes a make, fierce and struck car feel, so I would
1:28:02
never run it. Like my FD car has sway bars,
1:28:04
has a huge front sway bar actually, but it's double
1:28:07
wishbone and it handles so differently.
1:28:09
There's a lot of science in this stuff, but which we could dive
1:28:11
into if you really want to. But Galen's car had a really big
1:28:14
front sway bar, so I think it was just super twitchy and
1:28:17
snappy and weird to drive. For me it worked for him 'cause
1:28:20
he was used to it. It's like one of those things
1:28:22
like if you like ski your whole life and you get on snowboard,
1:28:25
it feels weird. Or if you snowboard your life
1:28:27
and go on skis, it feels weird. So like I was just so used to
1:28:29
like non sway bar as chassis that aren't.
1:28:32
As. Insanely snappy.
1:28:33
With no front sway bar like I don't think I have.
1:28:36
I feel like it would just rotate, but there's also.
1:28:38
A lot of factors. It rotates a lot slower without
1:28:40
a front bar. A lot slower, slower.
1:28:43
Yeah, it also depends on spring rate and car setup.
1:28:45
But yeah, because I feel that I'm more on a big front spring
1:28:48
and no front bar set up. Like I run stiff springs and
1:28:51
then no, no bar. Yeah, that was one of the
1:28:55
reasons why I wanted to keep my sway bars too, was just because
1:28:57
body roll and everything. I was like, maybe it'll help
1:28:59
reduce the way this thing moves. It does.
1:29:02
It'll make you drive on the road a lot better.
1:29:03
Like if you're going to drive on a highway, it just makes you
1:29:05
feel a little bit more confident.
1:29:07
But I just don't like the steering.
1:29:08
My pure gripe is the steering feel.
1:29:11
That's it. It just makes the car super like
1:29:12
it wants to pivot so hard on the front.
1:29:14
You have to think of it as sway bar is a torsion bar.
1:29:16
So like the way that it affects a McPherson strut is so much
1:29:20
different than a double wishbone because a double wishbone just
1:29:22
acts as another spring where it's affecting, it's not
1:29:25
affecting the steering, but on a McPherson it is because the
1:29:28
actual shock is turning with the wheel, you know what I'm saying?
1:29:31
So like, it's just everything in the steering field and McPherson
1:29:34
struck cars is always going to feel different and sway bars
1:29:36
just amplify it to me. A lot of people love it.
1:29:39
Like you'll. Whoever watches is going to lose
1:29:41
their fucking mind over talking. About sway bars, No.
1:29:43
I. Mean people like, go nuts over
1:29:44
this topic. And it's really is like, it
1:29:47
depends. And I'm not saying that my way
1:29:49
is the only way to do it, you know, because there's that's
1:29:51
what I love about drifting. There's like a million ways to
1:29:53
do the same shit, you know what I mean?
1:29:54
Like, everyone has their own theories, Everyone has their own
1:29:56
ways of doing things. It's just the way that I every
1:29:58
time I've driven a car with the front bar, I'm like, it's just
1:30:00
not for me, so I just don't run them.
1:30:01
Yeah, when I when I think of like a having a rear sway bar
1:30:05
versus. Oh, they're useless though.
1:30:06
Yeah, like rear bars should never be on anything unless
1:30:09
you're driving bank tracks. When I when I think of that, I'm
1:30:11
like, you're basically making it harder for the suspension to
1:30:15
like. Yeah, you're let me give.
1:30:17
It like an like an off roading machine.
1:30:19
They they take it off so that it can work fully the whole thing
1:30:23
and then in my opinion in drifting it's like kind of that
1:30:26
is that. Yeah, I mean a rear, make it
1:30:28
simple. A rear sway bar makes a car
1:30:30
slower and a front sway bar makes the car faster.
1:30:32
That's really like the only way to put it.
1:30:35
Yeah, I mean, you're softening up the rear without the sway
1:30:37
bar, right? So you're.
1:30:39
If you take the rear out, it lets you give you get more
1:30:41
sidebite. You get almost more.
1:30:43
You can you can. There's an argument to be made.
1:30:45
If it's set up right, you could get more forward drive with a
1:30:48
rear sway bar if every scenario works out perfectly in your
1:30:52
alignment and everything. But for lack of a better term
1:30:55
like most people run rear sway bars.
1:30:57
Only time mines ever been hooked up is for insanely high speed
1:31:00
stuff or banks because a bank track is hard enough as it is
1:31:03
because it makes a car want to drive down it.
1:31:05
So you're trying to loosen the car up.
1:31:06
But like all it does is just remove side.
1:31:08
But like I hate rear bars because you throw the car in
1:31:09
real hard and it just like keeps going.
1:31:11
I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm like come on get back.
1:31:13
You know you're like trying to get it like dig and go.
1:31:15
So that's why I don't run a rear.
1:31:17
Most people in FT truthfully don't.
1:31:18
There are some people that do and it depends on the car.
1:31:21
Like Corvette people. They all run rear bars.
1:31:22
I don't know why I'm not a Corvette guy, but you know, it's
1:31:25
just it's interesting. But front bars, like a front
1:31:28
bar, if it's on it will add forward drive and a lot of it
1:31:32
depending on how big the bar is. But you kind of sacrifice front
1:31:36
grip on most cars too, depending on what it is.
1:31:38
But then there's also an argument to be made that who the
1:31:41
hell cares about front tire grip?
1:31:42
I'm a huge front tire grip guy, but I can't stand if my car
1:31:46
understeers at all. But there are people like like
1:31:48
Chelsea de Nova for instance. You've ever watched?
1:31:50
Like, that dude could have, like, literally like his video
1:31:52
snow tires on the front of his car Steelies.
1:31:55
Yeah, don't matter. Like, it just depends on your
1:31:57
driving style. Like I I.
1:31:58
Need to have the. Front end involved?
1:32:00
I do. We had Smooth Brain, which is
1:32:02
another drift team out of Indiana, and they're younger
1:32:05
guys and they were the first people to come on here and go,
1:32:08
no, no, no, We air our shits up in the front.
1:32:11
You're mad. That shit blows my.
1:32:12
Mind. And I'm like, what?
1:32:13
I don't understand. Fuck, I don't get it.
1:32:14
So then he they explained it a little bit and then I tried it
1:32:19
like to an extent. I didn't like go to 80 PSI.
1:32:22
I went to like 40 and then cranked it up to 50.
1:32:25
I would have went right to 60. Which to me I run, I usually.
1:32:28
Run, see what happens. I usually ran. 30 in there.
1:32:31
Because I just want to know right away.
1:32:32
Because I'm like I run 30PSI before cold so that the tire
1:32:37
could have as much grip as I want.
1:32:39
Because I want it to be dirty, I want it to go where go where I
1:32:42
want it to go. But then when I aired it up, it
1:32:45
would like float easier in the front.
1:32:47
It makes the. Whole car like 4 wheel slide and
1:32:49
that's what I don't like. Yeah, it was a weird but, but I
1:32:52
feel like if you went higher than 40 it would do that way
1:32:57
worse. Like it would 4 wheel slide,
1:32:59
like you're saying more, yeah. So you like it?
1:33:02
At 40. At 40, That's where I liked it
1:33:04
40. Five A lot of people argue that,
1:33:06
like with high Ackerman setups, if you have like a really grippy
1:33:10
front tire, it like makes the car spin out.
1:33:13
And I'm just like, all right, well, First off, maybe you
1:33:15
should not spin out if you. Ever thought of that?
1:33:17
One, you know, like it's. Pretty simple, you were driving.
1:33:20
Not. That hard to not spin out for
1:33:22
being. Honest with you?
1:33:22
Yeah. But like, I don't know.
1:33:25
I run really low. Like I'm run like the teens in
1:33:28
my front tire. In the front.
1:33:29
Yeah, which was always. A thing because I'm again, our
1:33:33
cars are so gripped up that we're trying to get anything out
1:33:36
of the front end to grip like it's you know, we're everything
1:33:39
is set. The whole car is off the rear
1:33:41
end like the rear end's doing everything in in FD and
1:33:43
professional drifting like the front end's literally just along
1:33:45
for the ride, you know what I mean?
1:33:46
So like you set the whole car up off the back.
1:33:48
So we're just trying. In my case, I try to run really
1:33:51
low front tire pressures to just get some sort of front end feel
1:33:53
out of it, you know, to get some grip out of the front end so the
1:33:56
car will pivot off its nose if I need it to for a transition or
1:33:59
whatever. But yeah, it's I I know a lot of
1:34:02
people like there's dudes in FD like, and even Rich Whiteman
1:34:05
talked, tried it for a bit. And all this.
1:34:07
Yeah, Corey Talaska is a big, high front tire pressure guy.
1:34:10
There's some dudes that are like big on it and I'm just like
1:34:12
whatever floats your boat, guys. I'm just it's not going to work
1:34:15
for. Me, if you guys could try
1:34:16
together. I feel like it doesn't.
1:34:17
Yeah, well. What did did Rich say anything
1:34:19
about it? I don't remember exactly where
1:34:22
he left off with it. I remember when he first tried
1:34:24
it. He's like, yeah, it's so sweet,
1:34:25
but I don't know if he went back to not running it.
1:34:27
And Jay-Z X is also a weird car in comparison to he.
1:34:30
Might be on here soon, so I want to make sure to ask him that.
1:34:32
What the tire pressure thing? Pressure.
1:34:34
Yeah, he's definitely tried a lot of stuff.
1:34:36
Rich is always down to try things.
1:34:37
Rich is an intelligent guy, yeah, yeah, So I've been told,
1:34:42
yeah, he also fucks with his lawnmower heavy and that's
1:34:46
that's a smart guy. I can't wait to be a homeowner
1:34:48
and have a nice green lawn. I think about it every.
1:34:51
You're going to look so cool on. That thing, Zero turn and stuff,
1:34:54
dude, you need Zero turn Frankie with a turbo.
1:34:58
I don't know, man. I'm not at that lawn mower
1:35:00
stage. You're not.
1:35:01
I'm not. You're not a lawn mower.
1:35:03
I'm scared of that. Yeah, that's.
1:35:05
Got to embrace it, dude. Yeah, I don't know.
1:35:07
Got. The beard he's got.
1:35:08
The hair. The thing is, it's like, ah,
1:35:10
dude. I would if I lived on Frankie's
1:35:12
block and he was mowing his lawn, I'd be like, look at that
1:35:14
lesbian look. At that.
1:35:17
Look at that. Thank you, Carl.
1:35:19
Anyway. So what else you got going on?
1:35:23
So where do we end end his story at?
1:35:25
Because I do want to continue this, I think you've talked
1:35:27
about. Well, we've talked about like
1:35:29
30. Different, I know.
1:35:30
But I want to bring it. To current day like what's going
1:35:34
on? Current Well so well now we're
1:35:37
this is going on my 4th season of FD 4th season with the 4th
1:35:42
because we. Started in 2020.
1:35:44
Yeah, 20/21/2021 was my first year, so I did 2122 and 23.
1:35:49
This is now 24. So this is going on the 4th
1:35:51
season still at Forsberg Racing and all them and they still
1:35:55
manage. It's the the team hasn't
1:35:57
truthfully changed a whole lot in terms of that side of things.
1:36:01
We're still in pro spec. Yeah, it's great for me and
1:36:03
everything. You know, we have a great
1:36:04
relationship like I'm I'm so lucky and very fortunate to be
1:36:07
where I am. You know, they still manage
1:36:10
pretty much all of my partner relations and stuff like that.
1:36:12
I wish I had better results to make their jobs easier.
1:36:15
But FD is hard. It's a lot of luck.
1:36:17
It's a lot of skill. It's a lot of dude, there's so
1:36:19
many things and it's a mental nut case, dude.
1:36:23
It's it's crazy. When you're at some of these
1:36:24
rounds, it's like you ride the highest low highs and the lowest
1:36:27
lows when it comes to. Professional drifting, What Mike
1:36:30
said to you know. It's just and and Mike.
1:36:32
Yeah, Mike will definitely attest to that.
1:36:34
Yeah, yeah. But it's every time I think
1:36:37
about not doing it. I'm like, I could not picture
1:36:39
not doing it. Like I would much rather be
1:36:41
miserable that I lost. I got knocked out on top 32 than
1:36:44
like be sitting at home watching it on the couch.
1:36:48
I was about to ask. If you can't do that.
1:36:50
If you weren't here, where do you think you would?
1:36:54
Be. Like, what would you have done?
1:36:57
Where would you have gone? Like with your life, I guess.
1:37:00
If I didn't, well that's so that was one of the conversations I
1:37:03
had with my now wife. But I was like just so you know
1:37:05
like when when they presented me that the deal and everything to
1:37:09
do FD I like called her right away and I'm like look this is
1:37:14
like what they presented. This is what they're offering.
1:37:15
This is what we need to invent or me like at the time I was
1:37:20
like I what I need to bring to the table to make this happen
1:37:23
and stuff like that. Which, granted, is still way
1:37:26
better than Jill than probably anyone in Pro spec hasn't, and
1:37:28
I'll still say that today. But.
1:37:30
Shout out Brandon. Yeah, Brandon.
1:37:32
Yeah. So it's like I was like, but
1:37:35
it's gonna set back a lot of life trajectory.
1:37:39
It's like, if we want to have a house, if we want to have all
1:37:42
this, the whole Life American Dream is going to set a lot of
1:37:47
that back. Because I'm going to have to
1:37:48
sell my soul to do this, you know what I mean?
1:37:50
So, like, literally, I sold. Like everything, I put it that
1:37:52
way. I literally sold every.
1:37:55
Single thing I have to step. For my S13, you know, I kept my
1:37:58
pickup truck. I kept my S13.
1:38:00
I even sold my trailer like I like.
1:38:02
I sold everything I that I could buy 180.
1:38:04
I had a Fiesta St. rally car I had.
1:38:06
The best in the program. Yeah, it took everything just to
1:38:09
and helped build the the, the Z. You know, like I basically paid
1:38:14
for all the labor that was done to the car and some of the parts
1:38:18
that they couldn't supply and then anything else that they
1:38:21
could get from our partners and stuff like that they supplied or
1:38:25
whatever kind of support they could bring to the table.
1:38:27
So it's like a joint effort to get the car built.
1:38:29
But it was still a lot of money, you know, to build a honestly
1:38:32
speaking, if someone wanted to build that car today that didn't
1:38:35
have any help, it probably cost them a quarter, $1,000,000.
1:38:39
Like the motor alone is probably 50 to $60,000.
1:38:42
You know, just the engine, you know, and now it's built.
1:38:45
And. Everything.
1:38:46
Like it has $10,000 of wires in the car.
1:38:49
That's just wires. Nevertheless, the other $15,000
1:38:53
in computers that run it, you know what I mean?
1:38:55
So it's like and that's not including the Link ECU.
1:38:57
What? The So it's just a different
1:39:00
ball game like to do this stuff you know.
1:39:01
So I so I told her, I'm like, hey, you know, we're going to
1:39:03
have to like, really sell our soul to do this.
1:39:06
And she's like, thank God, you know, she's still my spotter.
1:39:09
She works on my team. She's.
1:39:10
Still the. Spotter.
1:39:11
Yeah, she's still my spotter. Damn she.
1:39:13
Got a full time W. Wife.
1:39:14
Yeah. She's like the, honestly, the
1:39:16
best partner you could have for this stuff.
1:39:18
So she was like, yeah, like, whatever, I'm here for it.
1:39:20
Let's. See.
1:39:20
So now she knows about drifting. Oh yeah, she she's watched more
1:39:23
laps of drifting than most people will have in their life,
1:39:27
if you think about it, because she's watched every single run
1:39:30
of every FD event she's been to, every lap that has been around
1:39:33
that. Track she's watched.
1:39:34
Sort of some. Sort of view.
1:39:36
Yeah, like she's a genius when it comes to talking about this
1:39:38
stuff, You know what I mean? She knows everything about the
1:39:40
insurance and outs of competitive drifting, at least.
1:39:42
And she learned a little bit about car setup too.
1:39:44
Like my my crew chief guy came. It's funny, my my crew chief is
1:39:48
this guy James. He's, he lived in Sparta, NJ.
1:39:52
He now lives in Florida. But he came from dirt bikes and
1:39:55
also competitive wakeboarding. He was friends with my wife and
1:39:58
all my friends group growing up he didn't know a lot about
1:40:00
drifting at all. He came to Orlando the first
1:40:04
year we doing FT because he lived in Florida and he just
1:40:06
wanted to watch me and he was like, dude, this is sick.
1:40:08
Like I want to be a a part of this.
1:40:10
So like he came to every round since then and eventually like
1:40:13
like he learned to just like helping.
1:40:14
They need help on Chris's car and stuff like that.
1:40:16
And then he like transitioned to working for Chris out in
1:40:20
California, like at times. Not like he has his own business
1:40:23
in Florida, but he went out there to help.
1:40:24
And now this he, you know, I don't even know Freddie, like
1:40:26
spec tuned Freddie from Florida. He like was Hopsins, Ben
1:40:30
Hobson's crew chief. He worked for Adam LZ for a
1:40:33
while. He was Adam LZ's tuner Freddie
1:40:36
for a while. But anyway, like he's a really
1:40:38
smart guy now. They're like best friends.
1:40:39
Like this dude went from like wakeboarding and riding dirt
1:40:42
bikes and he has an FD RX7 drift car.
1:40:44
But you know to now being like literally a a one of the
1:40:48
smartest dudes in the pits and when it comes to the chassis
1:40:50
setup and stuff like that. So it's cool to have like these
1:40:54
people like my wife didn't know anything.
1:40:55
My crew chief didn't know anything about that stuff and
1:40:58
now they they travel the country with me.
1:41:00
That's. Cool.
1:41:00
It's nuts that you guys are all kind of learning together.
1:41:04
Yeah, fortunately, we had really good people to ask questions,
1:41:06
too, because we had Jimmy, we had Forsberg, we had his whole
1:41:09
team. We didn't know anything about
1:41:10
ZS, you know what I mean? And I'm just like, all right,
1:41:13
like, what do we do? And he's like this, that and
1:41:14
that. And I'm like, cool, you got.
1:41:16
Tossed in the mix like so. Yeah.
1:41:19
Quickly. Like.
1:41:20
Yeah, it's we've we've tried a lot of stuff too.
1:41:23
Like, I really explored a different theory and went a lot
1:41:26
away from how Chris sets up his car.
1:41:28
And then now I'm I'm almost honestly almost identical again
1:41:31
to how our cars are set up. Besides his is a little bit more
1:41:34
power and a bigger tire. You were like.
1:41:36
Nine He ain't right. He ain't right.
1:41:38
Well, I was just trying to find my happy space with the Z.
1:41:40
And the funniest thing about that we chased so much stuff for
1:41:44
this car and the the thing that fixed all of my gripes with the
1:41:48
car was lowering the front tire pressure.
1:41:50
Funny enough, we. I mean, dude, I tried.
1:41:52
You. You alignment I.
1:41:54
Tried sway Barts. I tried spring rates.
1:41:57
I tried everything in the book except for lowering the front
1:42:00
tire pressure. And I lowered the front tire
1:42:02
pressure and it clicked and I was like, Oh my God, this car is
1:42:03
the best thing I've ever driven in my life.
1:42:05
When I mother fucked that car for three seasons, I'm like
1:42:07
this. I can't figure this car.
1:42:09
Out so this season. Is over the front tire.
1:42:10
I'm like, well now this thing drives great though.
1:42:14
It's so funny. So this season is the season low
1:42:17
tire pressure season. Yeah, I'm we're actually, we're
1:42:20
making the car actually slower for this year.
1:42:22
Funny enough, in terms of overall grip imbalance, like
1:42:27
last year we were way too gripped up.
1:42:29
Like we we went down this path of having fun with it, like
1:42:31
making it really fast. Like let's see how fast we can
1:42:33
make this car. It's been Hopson Hopson's really
1:42:35
fast, Rudy was pretty fast. There's some dudes in pro spec.
1:42:38
All of sudden last year everyone showed up and wanted to go fast.
1:42:40
It was like the first two years to be doing FD.
1:42:42
It was like going to like pro am events, like everyone's like 30
1:42:45
plus PSI tire pressure, everyone's going slow And I'm
1:42:47
like it's impossible to follow slow cars in a gripped up car.
1:42:50
So I'm like, all right, this is weird.
1:42:51
And then last year like everyone showed up and was like we want
1:42:53
to do FD shit and I'm like OK, all right, well let's do FD shit
1:42:57
then. So now it's like single digit
1:42:58
tire pressure, it's huge front spring rates, crazy stiff front
1:43:01
sway bars, all this shit to make the car really fast.
1:43:04
But when we did battle, the problem we had last year is when
1:43:06
we battled people that were slow for, for example, to use, I hate
1:43:11
to use that word because it's kind of derogatory, but when we
1:43:14
were people battling people that were going through the course
1:43:16
slower than we were factually is that.
1:43:18
Derogatory. It's just like I don't want to
1:43:20
make a lot. Of.
1:43:21
I don't want to make. Fun of them, that they're like
1:43:24
not doing well or that their car is slow.
1:43:26
I'm not trying to make fun of them.
1:43:27
It's just like their car speed to the track was significantly
1:43:29
slower than ours. Like just the facts behind it.
1:43:31
Whatever got you there, whether it was like not getting through
1:43:34
the course well or your car just being physically slow doesn't
1:43:37
matter. They're just going through the
1:43:38
course slower. So when we were trying to, when
1:43:40
I try to chase them, the Z was like, mad.
1:43:43
It did not. It was so hard to drive behind
1:43:46
people that were slow. So it ended up being like a
1:43:49
problem. We'd be setting our car for the
1:43:50
finals while we're in practice, but we had to get through all
1:43:52
these people to get to the finals.
1:43:54
So, like, we just had the wrong, like, mental bandwidth going
1:43:58
into a lot of our theories. So this year we want to make the
1:44:02
car actually a lot slower and just easier to drive behind a
1:44:05
lot of. People watch.
1:44:06
Watch it whip flop, Yeah, sorry not to put.
1:44:09
I'm going to knock on wood really quick.
1:44:11
Well. Trust me, it's really easy to
1:44:13
make the car fast. Like that I was.
1:44:15
Going to say it'll take. 30 seconds to make it as fast as.
1:44:17
Yeah, that that was my other question.
1:44:18
I was like, can you kind of like regulate that with a turbo car
1:44:21
pretty easily? It's that power we never touch
1:44:23
power. It's all suspension set up.
1:44:25
So, yeah, and and target. Yeah, if you're not going to
1:44:27
touch the power, then I guess you don't really have a choice.
1:44:29
You either set it up. Yeah, we're actually gonna leave
1:44:31
it high because the higher it is, the slower the car.
1:44:33
It's just funny that it's drifting.
1:44:35
High horsepower is slow. Low horsepower is slow.
1:44:37
In the middle is fast, there's a.
1:44:39
There's a balance there telling you it's not.
1:44:41
So it's like you know we we we can't, we're just doing some
1:44:44
suspension changes and stuff like that because we have a lot
1:44:45
of newcomers coming into prospect this year, a ton of
1:44:47
newcomers and but that comes people figuring it out.
1:44:50
We all had to figure it out, I had to figure it out, you know
1:44:52
so like we're trying to set the carp for that.
1:44:55
You know, a lot of the really fast guys have left and went to
1:44:57
pro, so there's that too. So we'll see what it is.
1:45:00
We could always put the kitchen sink back in the car if we want
1:45:03
to, but I'm trying to like, just have fun and make it easy to
1:45:06
chase people. Were you doing that today?
1:45:08
Test and tune or no? No.
1:45:11
OK. I was at work today.
1:45:12
Oh, you were? But I got to work like for some
1:45:13
reason I thought you were at the track.
1:45:15
Tomorrow Turk is going to be the track with Hop.
1:45:17
I got invited, but I got to work.
1:45:20
Hey, Real I. Literally work like 2 full time
1:45:21
jobs to do this. Not literally full time jobs
1:45:23
like my snap on job is one and then FDI call another full time
1:45:27
job. But honestly, being at work is a
1:45:28
lot easier than being at FD. So you're a snap on guy?
1:45:33
Yep. So you run a truck and
1:45:34
everything? Yeah, I don't own the franchise
1:45:36
that I I run, but I work for a guy named Tyler.
1:45:40
He's a big car guy. He's got AWX.
1:45:41
It's like 600 horsepower. He's got our snap on.
1:45:44
Guy our snap on Guy doesn't own the truck.
1:45:45
He. He.
1:45:47
Yeah, sometimes it could be like a second.
1:45:48
So I used to own my own Snap on route in Yonkers, NY and parts
1:45:52
of Connecticut and then I got rid of that.
1:45:55
I actually, that's funny, like I sold my route, wanted nothing to
1:45:59
do with snap on actually at the time I started working at
1:46:02
Monticello Motor Club as a racing instructor and like
1:46:05
curriculum developer and I helped develop the rally program
1:46:08
and stuff like that. And I worked on a couple FG
1:46:10
teams. I worked on Dean Carney's and I
1:46:12
worked on AJ Muss's. So then like COVID came around
1:46:18
the next year. So I did one year of like that
1:46:20
stuff. Then COVID came around and like
1:46:22
no one's racing cars or going to the racetrack and I'm like well
1:46:25
what am I going to do for a job now?
1:46:28
So one of my friends, Matt Bistrack who does FT with me and
1:46:30
everything, he he part owns a like landscape construction
1:46:34
company. So I helped him out for a bit
1:46:36
and then my friend Tyler, he owns 4 snap on routes.
1:46:39
He had a guy that ran one of them and he passed away right at
1:46:42
the first week of like, the first week of COVID, So that he
1:46:45
was like, trying to figure out who's going to replace him.
1:46:47
So we've been friends for a while and he called me.
1:46:49
He's like, like, hey, dude, like, I need a guy to fill this
1:46:52
spot. And he made me an offer and I
1:46:53
was like, yeah, sure, I'll come run the snap on route again.
1:46:56
So I've been there now for almost four years.
1:46:57
So that means he has four trucks, 4 trucks, OK.
1:47:00
Yep, 4 trucks, 7 employees. We have a pretty big operation
1:47:04
for Snap on. We're down.
1:47:05
Like where I run is right by the track kind of just South of
1:47:08
English town. So yeah, like I run her out
1:47:11
there. My Co worker, I don't know if
1:47:12
you know who Mikey Walsh is, but like Mikey Walsh works with me.
1:47:16
I have another kid, Gus, he drifts at Club Lucy.
1:47:18
Everyone that. Comes on this.
1:47:20
Yeah, everyone that comes with this podcast talks about Gus.
1:47:23
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like.
1:47:23
Sarah talked about him and. Whatever his friend System Gus.
1:47:27
Yeah, that's Gus. He's.
1:47:28
A funny guy, he's. With him today, like I worked
1:47:30
with him all day. Today get him on the.
1:47:31
Pod, I forgot what I said, what he said to me once.
1:47:34
But he dude, yeah, he's a he's a funny guy.
1:47:36
We should get him on. That's what I thought I was.
1:47:39
I'm going to drag you up there today because he worked with me
1:47:41
all day today. He's like a he works for us, but
1:47:43
he's like an assistant, so like he bounces between all of our
1:47:46
trucks and helps us out. He's super useful because he
1:47:48
speaks Spanish and we have a lot of Spanish speaking customers.
1:47:50
So like it's really helpful honestly and snap on world to
1:47:52
have someone that can communicate better than we can
1:47:54
because I sound like an idiot when I try to talk to Spanish
1:47:57
people. That's a lot of Spanish words.
1:47:58
It sounds like a fun place, bro. It's fun.
1:48:01
I do, yeah. It's got to be a fun job.
1:48:03
I mean, I'm sure it's stressful, but.
1:48:05
Yeah, I really enjoy what I do. And for work, it's just it's
1:48:08
very difficult to balance with FD.
1:48:10
Honestly speaking, it's like. Yeah, you're a professional
1:48:13
driver, dude. Like, my job is going to get me
1:48:15
fired from FD, but FD is going to get me fired from my job.
1:48:18
So I'm always trying to like balance everyone and make
1:48:21
everyone happy. But I'm never good at like, I
1:48:23
just can't do that. Like everyone's pissed off.
1:48:25
The time off and everything. Yeah, it's hard.
1:48:27
You know, You take off, like there's four FD rounds and I do
1:48:31
grid lifes and little stuff, and it's like, you got to tell a
1:48:33
boss, like, hey dude, I need all this time off.
1:48:35
And then God forbid you have anything else going on.
1:48:37
Like, I just got married. So it's like I went on a
1:48:38
honeymoon and then now I also have to like do all this or it's
1:48:42
like if I want to have kids in the future, it's like you like,
1:48:44
what the hell am I going to do? How am I supposed to expect the
1:48:46
boss to be OK with that? It's like he's cool.
1:48:48
He is a car guy. Like he gets it.
1:48:49
But at the same time, like there's definitely times where
1:48:51
we clash and it's. I don't blame him.
1:48:53
Like I can't. But what am I supposed to do?
1:48:55
Like I'm thankful that it even lets me do it to begin with.
1:48:58
Yeah. You know what I mean?
1:48:59
So but it's it's hard because like, I don't want to like not
1:49:01
chase my dreams of doing FD. And like I would love to be in
1:49:04
pro one. I would kill to be in pro one.
1:49:05
But like if I wouldn't be able to do that and continue my job.
1:49:09
So it's like what the hell do I do?
1:49:10
For an income, you have to figure out a way to make enough
1:49:12
sponsorship money to make it work.
1:49:13
But there's like 5 dudes in FD that have done that that don't
1:49:16
have family money. That's.
1:49:18
Even less than five dudes. I'm I'm picturing if like that
1:49:22
your snap on guy pulls up and it's it's like you're you drive
1:49:25
professionally like this is like.
1:49:27
I definitely hit you up before and try to get AUB or Snap on
1:49:30
guy, but that was probably years ago.
1:49:31
Probably, yeah, but it. Just doesn't work that way.
1:49:33
I looked today on the last conversation we had before doing
1:49:36
the podcast. I was talking about
1:49:37
snowmobiling. I don't know why, but we were
1:49:39
talking about snowmobiling. I know why 'cause my friend had
1:49:42
a bachelor party and we went snowmobiling and someone fucking
1:49:44
flipped. One, So that was probably, yeah,
1:49:46
we're talking about. Snowmobiling.
1:49:47
No fucking way. Let's hear this.
1:49:49
What? Why did you flip the snowmobile?
1:49:51
He didn't know what he was doing.
1:49:53
Yeah. I mean, a lot of us didn't know
1:49:55
what we were doing. But do you know like in Old
1:49:57
Forge, NY, which is where I would go snowmobiling when it
1:50:01
was a good season, it would actually snow.
1:50:02
They would average 4 deaths a weekend.
1:50:05
Oh my. God fucking God. 4 deaths a
1:50:08
weekend for a season. That is fucking.
1:50:11
Bad. I mean, some weekends there's a
1:50:12
lot more and some weekends there's nothing.
1:50:13
But not. Yeah, he got lucky, man.
1:50:15
He definitely got lucky. I I just remember, I remember we
1:50:18
got to a section and we're like, where is?
1:50:21
Like where the fuck did he go? And we went back and he's just
1:50:23
like flipped over off like a little hill in the woods.
1:50:27
Fucking thing fell on top of him like.
1:50:28
Super easy, yeah. They don't really stop well and
1:50:31
they go really fast. They they are.
1:50:33
Sick. I rented one of those where it
1:50:35
was like a 2 stroke one. That's awesome.
1:50:38
Yeah, that's. I had an 852 stroke.
1:50:40
They would do like 120 ish. Yeah, but like, you could do
1:50:43
that in the woods, like on a trail.
1:50:45
It's like a quad trail. That was the first time I was on
1:50:47
a snowmobile. I'm familiar with quads and
1:50:49
stuff, but first time on a snowmobile and I was doing like
1:50:52
we were maxing them out on the fucking lake or whatever and I
1:50:55
was like, I feel like this is really stupid, but.
1:50:58
That sounds. It feels safe in a way, 'cause
1:51:00
you're just like, oh, it's just flat, we're good.
1:51:03
But like, no, no, no. We were in the we were in the
1:51:05
woods when we did our rental, and it was like an unguided one.
1:51:08
And right, yeah, we had this They ran out of the normal.
1:51:12
What do they call that shit? Sled.
1:51:16
What do you mean? Whatever they called they, they
1:51:17
were like. Yeah, yeah, we're out of the.
1:51:18
Normal like like 4 stroke ones. Does anybody here?
1:51:22
And I'm like. Oh yeah, yeah.
1:51:23
I want. I would like that one.
1:51:24
I want that one. I heard it like on the way in
1:51:27
like I I want that one like. Like that that shit.
1:51:30
Dude. Oh yeah.
1:51:31
Man, I always want the two stroke anything.
1:51:33
I've never written that shit before in my life.
1:51:36
I was like, yeah, I know what I'm doing, man, like.
1:51:38
I would love to go back. I always try to get my friends
1:51:40
to go back, but they're all like.
1:51:42
It was. Pretty pricey, I'm not going to
1:51:43
lie for the unguided. But it's like, you know, I don't
1:51:46
know, I don't do shit all year. So it's like other than drifting
1:51:48
when I have a car. So it's like.
1:51:51
What did? I mean, I drift everyone else's
1:51:52
car, still paying the tires. But yeah, I don't know.
1:51:56
I just, I would love to go snow snowmobiling, but it's how much
1:52:00
is. It it's hard.
1:52:00
People don't It don't snow anymore.
1:52:01
That's like the real problem. I sold mine.
1:52:03
I always made the joke. My wife made me sell it.
1:52:05
But really, it's just like. This past week in Vermont, it
1:52:08
fucking came down. Did you see where Jesse was?
1:52:11
That's where we were. Yeah, I figured.
1:52:13
And it and it looks fucking like 2 feet deep.
1:52:16
I was like, yo, that's kind of, yeah.
1:52:17
They got 24 inches on Saturday. What the hell you?
1:52:20
Just got to go north now if you want to see the.
1:52:22
Snow. Yeah.
1:52:22
Really. N Yeah.
1:52:23
I love Jay Peak. It's like.
1:52:25
Is it sick? Yeah, I've been to Jay Peak a
1:52:27
few. Times I've never been yeah, I I
1:52:29
want to go there because it looks more difficult than the
1:52:32
other spots. You're a good snowboarder.
1:52:34
You will be too frank. No, I.
1:52:35
Won't you go to snowboarding? I'm OK.
1:52:37
You love Jay Peak. Though yeah, I feel like I
1:52:39
would. Carl, we went snowboarding.
1:52:41
Carl was my first time. Carl was like, oh, we need the
1:52:43
black diamonds. Where they at?
1:52:45
Dude, you could. Have chill out.
1:52:46
Could have done it. He could have done it, dude.
1:52:48
And sometimes it's just a sign. I would never veer you down one
1:52:51
where I don't think that you would, right?
1:52:53
Like it was just off of a Blue Square.
1:52:55
Like, it's pretty much a Blue Square.
1:52:56
Just, I don't know, dude. I was.
1:52:58
I mean I I kind of got it, but I still got to figure out how to.
1:53:02
Go. It's drifting.
1:53:03
Shit myself. You snowboard or ski.
1:53:05
Drifting. It's, it's.
1:53:06
Drifting. He was trying to compare it to.
1:53:07
Drifting. If it's like drifting, then why
1:53:09
do I suck at wakeboarding? I don't know how to wakeboard.
1:53:12
Either. It's but I like snowboarding,
1:53:14
just way more tiring. It took me 20 tries to get up on
1:53:16
a wakeboard. I didn't.
1:53:17
Understand pulled off a wakeboard boat.
1:53:20
It Wait, what? Were you being pulled behind a
1:53:22
wakeboard boat? Yeah, we were in Lake George and
1:53:25
my buddy had all of that stuff that.
1:53:27
Shit looks sick. Wakeboard boats make it a lot
1:53:29
easier. It was it was the IT was the I'd
1:53:32
be in the water. I'm holding the thing.
1:53:34
I'm trying to hold it like this and.
1:53:36
That's you got to put pressure. But it's causing too much.
1:53:39
So then what I was what I did to make it work was like I tilted
1:53:42
it more forward and then I like was.
1:53:44
Like it was like boarding, right?
1:53:45
Not surfing. Wakeboarding.
1:53:47
Yeah, Yeah, dude, Yeah, that was that was fun.
1:53:49
Wake surfing is. I've never tried.
1:53:50
That's so easy. That's why I'm good at that.
1:53:52
Where that's where you're like. You surf behind the boat?
1:53:55
Yeah, just so the boat is like this.
1:53:57
Shit is crazy to me. Yeah, like the boat.
1:53:58
Like say like my wife's family has a boat that's met for.
1:54:02
Yes, that's also something she get.
1:54:03
Pizza is really good, but the boat is capable of making its
1:54:07
own surfable wave. So it holds enough water on
1:54:09
board, enough ballast to sink the boat in the water deeper to
1:54:12
make the wave bigger. And then it has like these flaps
1:54:14
on the back. So like if you want to have a a
1:54:17
wave on the right side, it has a left flap that pops out that
1:54:20
interrupts the wake behind the boat.
1:54:22
So it creates A curl wave here, so you can surf that, and then
1:54:25
you could like on hers 'cause it's pretty nice, if you hit a
1:54:27
button it'll change the wave to the other side, or you could do
1:54:29
it on a watch even you can start to the other side.
1:54:32
What the fuck? That's like a.
1:54:33
Chill. It's like 10 miles an hour.
1:54:35
It's very low energy. Like you just sit there and like
1:54:37
jam out to music and like party and stuff.
1:54:39
Wait, what's the? Difference now between wake
1:54:41
surfing, wake boarding. Wakes.
1:54:45
It's a lot actually. So like wake boarding, it
1:54:47
depends. At a competitive level is like
1:54:49
it's much faster. So you don't know anything.
1:54:51
Yeah, Wakeboarding is essentially snowboarding behind
1:54:55
a boat. Like you have your feet strapped
1:54:57
in to the board. You're going at a much higher
1:54:59
rate of speed. So it's like 20 something plus
1:55:01
miles an hour, 2223 miles an hour, you're 70 feet off the
1:55:05
back of the boat. And then like at a competitive
1:55:08
level, they will hit the wake and jump and do like flips or
1:55:11
like whatever. There's a lot of tricks and
1:55:13
stuff like that that you can do. But if you fall at 20 something
1:55:16
miles an hour from doing like a flip in the air, it you could
1:55:19
get really messed up, you know, like Malcolm brought.
1:55:22
It up, you know. OK, yeah, yeah, I've seen this.
1:55:25
So like, you know, like that's. It depends on what you're doing.
1:55:28
Some of those tricks aren't that.
1:55:29
Crazy, yo, That's me right there, I swear.
1:55:33
So surfing is like this one here.
1:55:35
So this is wake surfing. It's like wake chiller, like
1:55:37
you're just kind of like going 12 miles, 10 miles an hour.
1:55:40
No you don't. The water pushes you.
1:55:42
Whoa. You're like surfing in endless.
1:55:44
You're literally just. Kind of sick.
1:55:46
It's fun. It's it's super popular because
1:55:48
it's so like much easier and so much less energy.
1:55:50
Wait, there's a picture of it, like sinking in the bag.
1:55:52
Yeah. So that's like, you can tell
1:55:54
like the boat is literally sunk in the water.
1:55:55
You can see the little flat. This makes no sense to me that
1:55:58
you can just keep going behind the boat and you're forever.
1:56:00
Holding anything as long as you don't fall makes sense to me.
1:56:02
Or if you don't, you know, until the water ends, yeah.
1:56:04
Tell the. Water.
1:56:05
You also need. It's funny enough, you need
1:56:07
really deep water to do it. You can't do it in shallow water
1:56:09
because the wave or the the water reflects off the bottom
1:56:13
of. Yeah, it has the lake or.
1:56:15
Whatever. So you need to have it deep
1:56:16
enough that it won't bounce off to make a big enough wave.
1:56:19
So it's pretty crazy, but it's a lot of fun and I've enjoyed
1:56:22
learning it and stuff like that. Like my wife is crazy at.
1:56:25
It. She showed her drifting.
1:56:26
She showed you that? Yeah, but it is.
1:56:28
Difficult. I could never get up on a board
1:56:30
like that before I met her and then she had just like, said
1:56:33
three things and I was like, oh, this is.
1:56:34
So she probably. Explained it correctly because.
1:56:36
My buddy was just trying to explain this to me and he's
1:56:38
like, yeah, you just stand up and I'm like, I'm trying, bro.
1:56:40
It's so she yanked me out of the thing like it's and you you do
1:56:45
not hold on to that. Like the moment you fall.
1:56:48
Apparently you're supposed to let that shit.
1:56:49
Go Yeah, because you hold on to it, dude.
1:56:51
I. Held on to it.
1:56:52
Hold on to it. I held on to it one time and I
1:56:55
swear to you, I got way taller. It was crazy.
1:56:59
It was crazy because. I'm holding on to it and now the
1:57:02
board is being is like creating an immense amount of drag.
1:57:06
Yeah, it's like trying to drive wide open with the parachutes
1:57:08
out on a car. And if you hold on to it and the
1:57:12
boat's going, it's it's pulling you.
1:57:14
It was. Yeah, it's funny.
1:57:16
It's really cool. Free chiropractic, but we got a
1:57:19
bunch of questions here that people submitted.
1:57:21
There's probably half of them from Gus.
1:57:24
We don't, We don't screen screen these prior.
1:57:26
We're going to screen them right now.
1:57:27
But I feel like maybe we can ask a good amount of these.
1:57:31
Oh yeah. But wait.
1:57:35
Oh God, yeah. I just read the 1st.
1:57:37
One what? What?
1:57:38
Is it? Does he ever edge on grid?
1:57:42
Is a crazy question. That's by Michael C Cone, Jesus
1:57:45
Christ. I don't know what.
1:57:47
That am I. Gonna I don't know what that
1:57:48
means. We're gonna, we're gonna skip
1:57:49
into. Some sexual.
1:57:50
Shit it, I think it is. Dude edge on grid.
1:57:52
Please elaborate, I don't know what.
1:57:54
This is from Lewis, which is honestly a really good question,
1:57:57
but if you could change or add 1 rule in FD, what would it be?
1:58:03
Change. Or.
1:58:04
ADD Oh boy. I don't know.
1:58:07
That's a very dynamic question. I don't know.
1:58:12
I don't. Know either, Like, where would
1:58:14
you? There's a lot of things that,
1:58:17
I'll be honest, this is how I think about a lot of stuff in
1:58:19
life. There's a lot of things that
1:58:20
when I see it at first I like, highly disagree with and then
1:58:24
like like the new rules passionately disagree with.
1:58:26
And then like, as I think about a little bit more, I start to be
1:58:29
like whatever, like it was being a little ridiculous on hating
1:58:32
that so much, you know? That is a good question.
1:58:36
Though you know, I think there's really not a ton of unfair rules
1:58:40
in Formula Drift. I would say at least in pro
1:58:44
spec, there isn't. I would again, I I always have
1:58:49
this gripe with the steering column pedal box rule.
1:58:51
Because that's a. Person because it cost me a lot
1:58:53
of money. So like that's one that I think
1:58:55
that is kind of dumb. So I would definitely, I don't
1:58:57
know, reverse that. I wish that there was some way
1:59:00
to, like, limit a power level. Me too.
1:59:06
You know what I mean? I do.
1:59:08
I kind of wish that there was a way to do that where it would
1:59:10
make sense, you know, because it's difficult because like if
1:59:12
you have a lot of power and a heavy or a really light cars
1:59:17
different than like low power and a heavy car.
1:59:18
So like every car gets affected differently and wheelbases and
1:59:22
grip and stuff like that. So I don't know I that's
1:59:26
probably one that I think is now this is something that I also
1:59:30
personally think that would be a cool thing to change for pro
1:59:33
spec. Now, I really like the GT radial
1:59:37
tire that I'm on and I love my relationship with GT Radio.
1:59:40
Like they're a great company and everything is awesome.
1:59:42
But I do think it'd be cool if there was another tire
1:59:45
competitor in Pro Spec versus just everyone being on a GT
1:59:49
radio. Is there no prospect?
1:59:51
We're all on the same exact. Okay.
1:59:53
So like that would be kind of cool and it's is 2 for that.
1:59:55
Like the 255 is sick and like I said before you can clearly make
1:59:58
it really fast. But I'm also on a sub 100 inch
2:00:01
wheelbase car that is not very heavy like if you're in like a
2:00:04
Mustang or something that's a lot heavier like you're
2:00:07
definitely at a disadvantage on a 255.
2:00:10
Like I firmly believe that like because you have to you can't
2:00:13
get the car light enough, you know.
2:00:14
So it's just it's it's kind of different but I don't know
2:00:18
that's that's a good question though.
2:00:19
Yeah. You know.
2:00:20
Actually, one thing I don't like is the stupid lights on our
2:00:23
windshield. Get rid the telemetry.
2:00:25
Get rid of those. Wait.
2:00:27
Is that the brake light or is it something else?
2:00:28
No, they're. Like a moment.
2:00:29
Brake thing, I don't think right.
2:00:31
It's not as simple as that. It's never you don't watch FD
2:00:34
anymore. I.
2:00:35
Haven't. I thought we were friends, dude.
2:00:37
I thought you were on the couch rooting me on every round.
2:00:40
I'm hurting you on no. Idea what scenes?
2:00:42
He has no idea what. I haven't watched FD for real in
2:00:45
probably 5. Years.
2:00:46
It's fun. We get to watch, dude.
2:00:48
Come. On I only watch when I go to
2:00:50
wall and I'm actually there. Or do you know that we?
2:00:54
Don't they don't do that? My fault dude, when I go to
2:00:58
gambler. Growing a business, honestly, I
2:00:59
mean, look at how much you've grown this place.
2:01:01
Yeah, I mean, it's fun in person, but I will.
2:01:05
I don't understand that. It's fun when you watch it.
2:01:08
OK, so we'll watch it together. Like I'll just put it on the.
2:01:11
This you're watching. You want to watch?
2:01:13
It you can discuss. It and we can watch it.
2:01:15
And when you're with a lot of other people who like watching
2:01:18
it, dude, it's just like makes it fun, maybe.
2:01:21
Biggest thing I would want to. Change.
2:01:23
Oh, here we go. They got rid of protests this
2:01:25
year. I want that back because I.
2:01:27
Want wait? You can't contest.
2:01:28
There's. No more protests, No more
2:01:31
protests than FD. And I'll say this right now, I
2:01:33
want to be able to hold, and I love him to death.
2:01:35
Reese, who is now an FD judge, accountable for the decisions
2:01:39
he's going to make this year. And.
2:01:40
He's he's walking in so easy. He's walking into FD to protest
2:01:44
and and anything to deal with the judges is the biggest thing.
2:01:46
And it's the hardest. Probably.
2:01:47
It's crazy because like, no matter what, you're not going to
2:01:49
please anyone. But Reese is coming in first
2:01:51
year as an FD judge, and he doesn't have to deal with
2:01:53
anyone's bullshit. You can't.
2:01:55
So lucky you. Can't contest the call.
2:01:57
It's a new rule for this year. I can't even to understand this.
2:02:02
What are we doing? So that this, this is what
2:02:04
happens, right? You can appeal something after
2:02:06
the event. So let's say I get I lose a
2:02:09
battle on top eight, right? Or whatever the case, there's a
2:02:12
better example. Let's say in the final four I
2:02:14
lose a battle and after the event I appeal it, right?
2:02:19
So the if you appeal it and they agree with your appeal, you get
2:02:23
the points as if you won that battle, but nothing after that.
2:02:28
So let's say like you would have went on to win the event.
2:02:30
Yeah. Like you're like, hey, yeah, you
2:02:33
were right. We made it.
2:02:34
We were wrong and we made a wrong decision.
2:02:36
You're correct. So here's the points that if you
2:02:38
got knocked out in Top 8 or whatever it is the next round
2:02:41
up, yeah, but like you, you. But they're wrong.
2:02:44
So that you should be accountable for being wrong.
2:02:46
Yeah, like it's it's 'cause that driver could have went on to win
2:02:49
the event. I mean, from everything I've
2:02:50
seen, 'cause I know they changed the qualifying too, right?
2:02:54
So everything. OK with that, yeah.
2:02:55
From everything I've seen, it's just them trying to make it more
2:02:59
marketable and better to watch. And quick, quick.
2:03:02
They're trying to make it rip through, which I understand it's
2:03:04
a long day for these people working these events, It really
2:03:06
is. It's a long day and when you're
2:03:07
watching the event too, they want to make it quicker so that
2:03:11
you can watch it. I don't.
2:03:12
Know I'd rather it. But I don't think protests
2:03:15
really affect that, because protests are always behind the
2:03:18
scenes, the longest thing that takes judging calls and.
2:03:20
Stuff like it's got to. Add some sort of suspense like I
2:03:23
want to know. And I will say from a spectator
2:03:26
viewpoint, I like the qualifying solo lapse.
2:03:29
I like qualifying has done me really well.
2:03:31
I'm I I one of my like good things of pro drifting is
2:03:35
qualifying. I always it's a strong suit of
2:03:37
mine. I don't know why I qualify well,
2:03:39
so I'm going to miss it because I enjoy it too.
2:03:40
But I'm definitely OK with not having to worry about like 2 car
2:03:45
setups in a way. We didn't really do 2 car
2:03:47
setups, but you know, like some people do, so like, there's
2:03:50
that. I I think it's going to help.
2:03:53
It's just a funny mindset. I guess I got to tread lightly
2:03:55
with this one, but it's going to it's going to help people that
2:03:59
don't qualify well or don't qualify at all.
2:04:02
Like in the lower. It's going to help a lot of
2:04:04
people in the lower bracket and for everyone else it really
2:04:07
isn't that different. It's just.
2:04:09
I just love seeing like a really sick qualifying.
2:04:12
Yeah, I don't know why. So their argument which I so I
2:04:15
felt the same way it was you. This is what I was saying before
2:04:16
where I started really angry about something and I moved away
2:04:18
from it. When they first announced it, I
2:04:21
was really mad. And then they they brought up a
2:04:23
point in this other podcast the Outer Zone one when Ryan Sage he
2:04:28
said that when they got rid of the two run format and they went
2:04:32
to one people no longer wanted to do that ball or lap like the
2:04:36
Chelsea didn't know if a style lap because some people just
2:04:38
don't care like Chelsea he'll run the ball or lap whether or
2:04:40
not he qualifies 1st or 32nd. You know what I mean.
2:04:42
But most drivers are running a very conservative lap just
2:04:45
because they want to get through to the battles.
2:04:48
So it took out a lot of the excitement of qualifying because
2:04:50
people are afraid of because like you say if you have two run
2:04:53
the first runs are conservative one they get the points second
2:04:55
runs the ball or one everyone wants to watch.
2:04:57
But now that there's only one run, they would only do a
2:04:59
conservative 1 to get through. So it kind of made qualifying
2:05:02
mundane. So like I do, but it also really
2:05:06
the ones that really did a super impressive qualifying run.
2:05:09
Also, it they shined even more 'cause like they did an
2:05:13
aggressive qualifying run and made it work.
2:05:15
So it wasn't a tool. If you were really good
2:05:16
qualifying driver, like a Ryan Turk or like, you know, Matt
2:05:20
Field for instance, or whatever, like, you could use it to your
2:05:22
advantage. But like it, it's interesting.
2:05:25
Yeah, no, that's definitely, I feel like a double edged, double
2:05:30
edged sword. Is that like a I'm?
2:05:32
Interested to see how it goes? Because now it's.
2:05:33
Like I say, let's see how it goes and go from there I guess.
2:05:36
We call it the This is a dicey one, but we call it and for the
2:05:41
gracing the new way of doing it, the Macaroni plate trophy, it's
2:05:45
because they do a top 16 battle for pro, Not for pro spec, but
2:05:48
for pro. They do a top 16 battle that
2:05:50
battles into top 32. So it's like whoever wins the
2:05:53
top six, kind of like how LZ does his events, but whoever
2:05:55
wins the top 16 gets their macaroni plate trophy.
2:05:57
Like, yeah, I won. It's like, well, you won the
2:05:59
bottom of. The people.
2:06:02
Here's your macaroni plate. Congrats, and I'll go deal with
2:06:05
the big guy. You know what I mean?
2:06:07
So it's kind of funny. I'm interested to see how this
2:06:09
how this works. Maybe I'll watch FD this year.
2:06:12
Bro, you said that last year. You didn't watch that a single
2:06:14
time with us. We watched a majority of them in
2:06:17
the Discord. We should.
2:06:18
Do like a. Podcast.
2:06:19
We literally, I thought you were gonna say a podcast on that.
2:06:22
No, I was gonna say we watch them together when they are on
2:06:25
all the time. We should not all the time, but
2:06:27
we try. To do it here, you get beers and
2:06:29
we hang out. We do the.
2:06:32
All right. We'll take that.
2:06:33
Conversation proving my point that the grassroots guys have
2:06:36
this weird problem with FD. I do.
2:06:38
I always do but. Dude, I think it's cool, but I'm
2:06:41
waiting for that one anymore. Stylish one.
2:06:44
I feel like before I didn't even again.
2:06:47
I don't really know a lot about FD, but one of the people that I
2:06:50
like was forests car, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
2:06:53
I thought his car was always beautiful.
2:06:55
Yeah, the only thing I care about got a car.
2:06:58
The cars aren't sick. I don't give a fuck.
2:06:59
That's why I like it from that aspect too.
2:07:02
Is like though, like if you walk around an FD paddock and see the
2:07:05
cars, like there's some crazy cars.
2:07:07
Like cars are insane in terms of build for the most part,
2:07:11
especially Pro One cars. Yeah, you know, like it's just
2:07:14
nuts to see the and the engineering and the the money
2:07:17
and the motors and like the stuff that they put in the
2:07:19
noises that come from FD cars. That's the reason why I do FD
2:07:21
because like I walked into Wall Stadium in like 2011 or
2:07:24
something. That's what Frankie watched, FD.
2:07:26
And like, I I remember walking over though the like wall to go
2:07:30
down to the bleachers and I'm watching and the first thing I
2:07:33
see was like, it was, it was Forsberg.
2:07:35
Funny enough, in the lead in his VK 56 car with Charles ING
2:07:39
behind him and AG 37 he had and they're like, he's on his door.
2:07:42
And the noises from that, I'm not a big VA guy at all, but the
2:07:45
noise is coming from that VA And then Charles Ing's car, I don't
2:07:47
remember what you had in it, but like coming around that bank,
2:07:50
just the sensory overload. I was like, I drove a Miata to
2:07:53
that event and I was like an autocross kid.
2:07:55
I was like, Oh my God, that is the coolest thing I've ever seen
2:07:58
in my life, dude. Two things.
2:08:00
First of all, bring another Matt Powers back and I'll watch every
2:08:03
fucking, every every fucking. He's a.
2:08:05
Cool dude dude. I.
2:08:07
Like just I need something like that because he was my favorite.
2:08:11
And then what else? Oh yeah, see, I mean, wall.
2:08:13
Wall was crazy. Yeah.
2:08:15
You ever drive Wall? Fuck no.
2:08:17
Yeah, a year after that event that I went to, I I competed in
2:08:20
AUS drift event at Wall. Yeah, I remember two years after
2:08:23
that. It's nuts.
2:08:25
I was in a stock, completely stock 1JZ, VTi stock, ECU stock,
2:08:28
turbo stock Boost. I'm trying to drive.
2:08:30
That with the R154 and A46 diff in the back.
2:08:34
I was trying my hardest to make it around that track.
2:08:37
I I came, I came around the bank came down.
2:08:39
This is me building a car. The bump was so harsh that my my
2:08:44
zip tied through bolts radiator fan onto my radiator broke free
2:08:48
and blew a hole through my radiator because the bump was so
2:08:51
harsh coming off that wall bank we we JB welded it and I mean a
2:08:55
lot of the way through the event actually did pretty good that
2:08:57
event. But I mean, I always talk shit.
2:08:59
I'm like, I miss Wall, but at the same time English Town kind
2:09:03
of gives you the same vibe where it's like it's smaller and it's.
2:09:07
Like it's great for Tandem. It's really the.
2:09:09
Greatest place, you know, it's like a good.
2:09:11
Show. It's not like intimidating, but
2:09:14
it is. It's technical.
2:09:15
You could, you could get a really good setup in the car
2:09:17
because it's so you can get so much grip there.
2:09:19
Because it's so small. You can really throw a lot at
2:09:21
it, which is fun and it's great because you have like all the
2:09:23
fans right there. It kind of has that wall.
2:09:25
Ask where everyone's watching right there, which is cool.
2:09:27
It's like wall without all the consequences.
2:09:29
It's the same size as wall, believe it or not, like the
2:09:31
actual layout is the same size. That's so hard to believe.
2:09:34
That well, that's at least what I've heard.
2:09:36
People have measured it, although I mean the run up's way
2:09:39
longer. Than yeah, that's what I'm
2:09:40
talking about. Yeah, but I mean the width of
2:09:41
it. Yeah, I believe that.
2:09:42
So I miss seeing at wall when they would like accelerate and
2:09:45
the fucking car is just sliding down because it's like.
2:09:49
Yeah. And you're like, whoa, what the
2:09:50
fuck? Man, I I do miss that a lot.
2:09:52
I'm trying to think that's probably where I saw drifting at
2:09:56
that level for the first time. We had to park so fucking far
2:10:02
away, take a bus or some shit. There was this kid.
2:10:06
Oh my God, this. Reminds I was leaving that event
2:10:10
and I had a an NA Miata with a hard dog roll bar on the back of
2:10:15
it, you know, and it had like a. Hard dog.
2:10:17
Sticker. Hell, yeah.
2:10:19
There was this kid. His name was Mark.
2:10:21
He's like kind of friends with the front St. dudes or nose or
2:10:23
front St. dudes. He lives out there.
2:10:25
He took a picture of me and my friend Kenny in the car and he
2:10:28
posted on Instagram and he was making he was like made fun of
2:10:32
my hard dog roll bar and was like do you even drift bro and
2:10:35
I'm like like like really like lit me up and and someone that
2:10:38
was mutual friends and this is like 10 years ago and plus that
2:10:41
over like 12 years ago on Instagram right.
2:10:44
And I'm like and I was like, I'm like who the fuck does this guy
2:10:48
think he is Like he has like a S14.
2:10:50
It was like AKA So it was like 2 years later like I'm at wall
2:10:55
competing and I like sent him a picture.
2:10:57
I'm like, do you even fucking drink?
2:10:58
Bro. And like, it's funny, it's like
2:11:01
after. That he was.
2:11:03
Like my best friend, Like, he was like such a big supporter
2:11:07
and it's so nice, Like, I like talking to dude all the time on
2:11:09
Facebook and shit like that, But I was so mad, 'cause I'm like,
2:11:12
who the fuck does this guy think he is?
2:11:14
I remembered that moment and you were like, Oh yeah, let me take
2:11:17
this opportunity. I definitely have some like yeah
2:11:20
that that every formula DI went there.
2:11:23
I went to there after the and actually it might have been just
2:11:26
that was the last one has to happen.
2:11:28
But it was hot as hell. I drove my S13 coupe there with
2:11:32
my other friend Tom, who also had to suffer because we had no
2:11:36
AC. Hot as hell off the bus.
2:11:39
We went down to Miyagi's minivan once.
2:11:41
I think that shit was. You guys are probably
2:11:43
comfortable in that. No, it wasn't good.
2:11:44
Oh God. It wasn't good.
2:11:47
Wall was awesome though, man. And you know why I like Wall
2:11:49
too, because we that was our first like booth at an FD event
2:11:53
and that was pretty memorable. And then we had we had another
2:11:56
one there that was way more memorable.
2:11:59
We had Josh's car there when it was fully done with that livery
2:12:02
that first. Tank one.
2:12:03
Yeah. Oh yeah.
2:12:04
And it was just like, awesome. It was like, wow, I feel like
2:12:07
we're actually, like, part of this, you know what I mean?
2:12:08
So that was cool. There's a event there in
2:12:11
September, right? And with.
2:12:15
Oh, at Wall. Oh yeah.
2:12:16
With like Heichi SU Chias showing up, Yeah.
2:12:19
We don't know anything about this event, we just saw it on
2:12:21
Instagram. Heard about this, too.
2:12:22
We were talking. We were talking about this in
2:12:23
our group chat. I'm like, wait, what the heck's
2:12:25
going on? Like he's going.
2:12:27
Like. Who's running it?
2:12:29
What's going on? Like I don't.
2:12:31
Just said drip competition, I would be like yo.
2:12:33
Put me in there. Yeah, you should pull up to
2:12:35
that. They're probably going to
2:12:36
require me to get here. Malcolm found it.
2:12:38
Yeah. Third World society, is that
2:12:41
actually who's running? It a DK stand?
2:12:42
Yeah, Donkey Kong. Yeah dude, we're going to
2:12:45
fucking yo, look at Pecos's. Comment.
2:12:49
Wait, we're at Oh my. God.
2:12:51
This should be at Raceway Park tagged them straight up.
2:12:57
It should be. I mean, they should definitely
2:12:59
involve some more people. $11,000 in payouts I.
2:13:02
Don't know who. This.
2:13:04
Who this? Jim Khanna, dude.
2:13:06
Yeah, Jim Connor. So it's probably like a car show
2:13:09
group or something throwing this. 7th and 8th.
2:13:11
Wait a minute. Third World society.
2:13:13
You know. Isn't that final belt week?
2:13:16
Usually right, first week of that.
2:13:17
First week of September. Sorry, Drift King.
2:13:20
It's not cool enough to go to Final Bell, hey?
2:13:23
Bro. You'll make it the coolest.
2:13:25
You'll make it 1 year. We got to talk about.
2:13:28
Literally finally. Actually.
2:13:30
No, you That's probably one of the most fire podcast we've had
2:13:33
because of the way it was so laid out.
2:13:35
Perfect. Wait, which one?
2:13:36
This one? This one?
2:13:36
Yeah, this one is. A great story.
2:13:38
Real fucking. Yeah, we didn't really have to
2:13:40
bother you about that. You just laid it all out.
2:13:41
That was perfect. I kind of talked about it a few
2:13:43
Times Now. Yeah.
2:13:44
Yeah, you. Know what I.
2:13:45
Mean. It's been 3-4 years.
2:13:47
Yeah dude. I mean, I feel like though even
2:13:50
you've even though you've like achieved what you did, it's
2:13:53
still nice to be able to talk to you like like you drift your
2:13:56
purple S13. Yeah, like, I love that car.
2:13:59
Just. Yeah, man, One more fucking
2:14:01
dudes talking about cars and shit, yeah?
2:14:03
That's what I mean. That's what we're all about.
2:14:05
You know what I mean? I I don't know.
2:14:06
I love drifting. There's one thing that I always
2:14:07
say about like the grassroots versus FD thing is like everyone
2:14:12
and FD will always welcome a grassroots driver, but
2:14:15
grassroots drivers don't always welcome the FD drivers.
2:14:17
I mean. And you know what I mean?
2:14:19
Like, so we're all like grassroots guys at heart at FD
2:14:22
because FD was a grassroots sport and still kind of is.
2:14:25
I know what event I love. Pro Rd.
2:14:26
Down. Oh, it's my favorite of the
2:14:28
year. Yeah, absolutely.
2:14:28
It's probably my favorite event, too.
2:14:30
Yeah, like just to be there and to see everyone hanging out and
2:14:35
it. It's at E Town.
2:14:36
The weather's usually busted. Except for this past year, 23
2:14:39
was bad. Yeah.
2:14:39
Was that the rain year it? Was the 1st.
2:14:42
Shit. But if we were underwater, like
2:14:44
standing up on all the all the shit, yeah, it's crazy.
2:14:47
You remember what? Wasn't I?
2:14:49
Wasn't I there? Yeah, everyone was there.
2:14:51
It did get sunny later. On eventually, yeah.
2:14:54
But remember when everyone, some some of you guys got there late
2:14:56
and you walked up and we're all just under the booth standing
2:14:59
there. Yeah, we're just chilling.
2:15:00
On Shit Wait. Well, my favorite was when we
2:15:03
looked over at at Jonah at the front St. boots by herself.
2:15:07
God. Yeah, everyone's driving or
2:15:09
doing something and all the shirts are like fucking getting
2:15:12
wet and she's just like she's. Just sitting there like.
2:15:15
Dying like it's over. Yeah.
2:15:17
Like I'm like OK I. Love that event though.
2:15:20
I do like to to go back to that side of the I do kind of miss
2:15:25
just going to like a club loose event like loading the trailer
2:15:28
with my grassroots car and like just hanging with the homies and
2:15:31
like doing laps and it's like I know I can.
2:15:33
The problem is like I sacrifice so much stuff otherwise I'm
2:15:36
trying to get to that point. That's what I want to do is
2:15:38
that's why I put so much effort in.
2:15:39
South 13 is like to be able to just show up.
2:15:42
And I still find that love for it because it is so different.
2:15:45
Like you are doing the same thing.
2:15:46
It's drifting, but it'll always be different.
2:15:48
It's like a job, you know? It is like a job now you know
2:15:51
it's. I will say Mike said the same
2:15:53
thing. I don't know if Ricky said the
2:15:55
same thing, but I know Mike said.
2:15:56
The same now Ricky's just happened to be in a car.
2:15:58
Yeah, Ricky's like a teddy bear, Yeah.
2:16:00
But Mike was like, I really do miss just having a normal car
2:16:03
and going out and hanging out with everyone.
2:16:05
I'm like, you can do that. He's like, I want to.
2:16:07
I'm trying. When that when?
2:16:08
You can't though. You're you're sucked into like
2:16:12
that way of life and it's like you're you can't leave it
2:16:15
because you're going to hate yourself for leaving it.
2:16:17
Yeah. And sometimes some people, I'm
2:16:19
fortunate not one of them but some people hate their lives for
2:16:21
doing it. And sometimes I think Mike's
2:16:23
that way. I like Mike Power a lot.
2:16:24
But he's definitely, he's got some some demons when it comes
2:16:27
to competing. Yeah.
2:16:28
When a driver has a I. Hope he figures it out.
2:16:30
Has he just really talk? Like a streetcar that tells me
2:16:33
that it's like, oh, OK, they still like to party on the side.
2:16:38
Like they they like to hang out with everybody or.
2:16:40
They got enough money to do both.
2:16:41
Or they have enough money. That's the biggest They have
2:16:43
enough money and they have enough.
2:16:45
Time. Yep.
2:16:46
Time is the biggest. Time is like the biggest enemy.
2:16:51
Yeah, I would almost sacrifice now.
2:16:53
I would almost sacrifice money for time.
2:16:55
I wish I could have a lot more of time.
2:16:57
Yeah, right. There's not enough hours in the
2:16:59
day. Yeah.
2:17:00
Ever like that way lately. Yeah, every day.
2:17:02
Like, especially when it comes to my job because it's so like
2:17:05
crazy with how hours that we work for doing snap on that.
2:17:08
It's like I go into every day with like all these intentions
2:17:10
of like, I'm going to have all this shit set up that I'll build
2:17:13
stuff for like social media, right to post for racing and
2:17:15
stuff. And I'll have it all in my
2:17:16
Instagram and I just won't even post it.
2:17:18
Like, I'll just be like at work and I'll be like I got to post
2:17:20
this and then it'll be like 8:00 at night and I'm like, well, it
2:17:22
doesn't make any fucking sense to do it now.
2:17:23
I'll do it tomorrow. And then it'll be the same
2:17:24
thing. Yeah, it's just crazy because
2:17:26
like, you do all this stuff and then it's like, it's kind of
2:17:30
discouraging, you know? It'll really drive you into a
2:17:32
weird spot for like. I just need more time.
2:17:34
Yeah, but then you don't want to miss the wave.
2:17:37
And then you Then now you're going to kick yourself because
2:17:39
somebody else did it. That social media is a social
2:17:42
media is a weird place, dude. You know where my favorite place
2:17:45
on social media is? The comments.
2:17:47
You go to the comments, you find some of the funniest people.
2:17:50
Your comments keep me. Young My favorite comments are
2:17:52
still YouTube videos. Those comments are always.
2:17:55
Damn. Yeah, I mean, I guess the
2:17:56
YouTube video. I don't know why, but like
2:17:58
someone will always have some crazy.
2:18:00
Fun no? Dude, I don't know.
2:18:01
Instagram comments lately have been reminding me of like.
2:18:06
I feel like Instagram's more brutal.
2:18:07
No, no, no. It's.
2:18:07
Dark. Yeah, yeah, Instagram is dark.
2:18:10
Instagram is like that video game chat.
2:18:12
We get that kid talking all that.
2:18:13
Shit. Started doing that again though,
2:18:15
like, you know what I mean. I feel like it was like that.
2:18:17
Kids got Instagram. Yeah, they, they they they got
2:18:19
them. That's crazy.
2:18:21
And you got the cartel Instagram right?
2:18:23
Dude, I got cartel gram. I'm watching.
2:18:26
People get the heads. Get cut off, yeah.
2:18:28
Sometimes the the Instagram comment is like this was a sick
2:18:32
video. Enter, enter, enter, enter
2:18:35
recipe to make cocaine. Boom, boom boom boom boom boom
2:18:37
boom boom. Like how?
2:18:38
To do it like, like what do you need, Where to, where to get it,
2:18:41
all the procedures, how to make crack.
2:18:43
It's a long fucking. I've seen one like that.
2:18:45
Too dark Instagram. It's crazy.
2:18:46
You know what My Instagram shows me Like mini cows and how to
2:18:50
make chicken powder. Guess what?
2:18:51
It's adorable. Right there and it's you're
2:18:52
going to get cartel gram too and you're going to be like what's
2:18:54
this doing here? Sometimes.
2:18:56
Dude, I'm tired of the mics picking shit up, dude.
2:18:58
And it is happening. I I don't care what anyone says.
2:19:00
Sometimes it's a. 100 percent, 100% it's.
2:19:03
So you say one thing thing, like as a joke.
2:19:05
You and your buddies be joking about some shit, and before you
2:19:07
know it, you're getting ads for fucking some.
2:19:09
Weird shit. Why do I have so?
2:19:10
Many videos about 911. Oh my shit.
2:19:12
Do you be a conspiracy guy, dude?
2:19:14
Dude, we talked about it for a little while and.
2:19:16
Then all of a solid. Purpose.
2:19:18
I'm I'm like, the least conspiracy guy.
2:19:22
Says everyone that's a conspiracy theorist.
2:19:24
What? I really am, though, because
2:19:25
we'll all have conversations and we'll have like everyone here
2:19:28
and they'll all be going off. And I'm like, I don't know, man,
2:19:30
those buildings probably just fell because they got hit by
2:19:32
planes. And everyone's like, what are
2:19:34
you, an? Idiot.
2:19:34
I don't believe that that. I think there's a lot more.
2:19:36
Behind but then but. The hard is to fly a plane at
2:19:39
530 miles an hour. That's.
2:19:40
The only thing I always say I'm like, I'm like, that was
2:19:43
impressive fucking. 700 feet above the surface of the planet.
2:19:46
That was impressive building. How about the Pentacon?
2:19:49
I'm not saying that the planes didn't hit it.
2:19:51
I know that they definitely hit it.
2:19:53
Pretty impressive. Yeah.
2:19:54
I think there's a lot. Every day, every day, there
2:19:56
seems to be like another angle. Yeah, what's it with the angle
2:20:00
thing? That's.
2:20:02
That, that in the comments, that's that's what they're
2:20:03
talking about. They're like, ah yes, another
2:20:05
angle boys. Here we go closer.
2:20:06
To Where'd this come from? It's been 23 years.
2:20:09
Like, are people just digging in their basement?
2:20:11
Like, oh, look at this camp. Quarter and holding onto this
2:20:13
one that was like. A meme, Though for a minute it
2:20:15
was like the new angle, the new. Angle, Yeah.
2:20:18
And I was like. We're going to have the pilots
2:20:19
POV. That's that was my favorite
2:20:21
comment. Pilots like we had a pilot POV.
2:20:24
On. Snapchat.
2:20:25
Like what? I'm going to do.
2:20:27
That's what's I don't know. Like I'm telling you, there's a
2:20:30
lot of shit going on right now. I mean, I believe in like real
2:20:32
conspiracies and shit. Like things that actually.
2:20:34
Happened now? Now we're going to go.
2:20:36
Yeah, not a, not a conspiracy. And you know the government.
2:20:39
Like, yeah, we did this. The earth is flat.
2:20:41
No. Oh, thank God.
2:20:42
These guys not a flat. Earther thing.
2:20:44
But like the 9/11 1, I don't know, man still not on board.
2:20:48
I don't. I actually don't know how much I
2:20:50
buy about the plane hitting the Pentagon.
2:20:51
One. That one.
2:20:53
That one's that's dicey. So here's like, here's Here's
2:20:56
why I buy it. But this can be ruled out too.
2:20:59
But I've read, I've probably read about 50 to 100 eyewitness
2:21:02
reports about the Pentagon. Not a conspiracy, I swear to
2:21:05
God. Not a conspiracy.
2:21:06
Not a. Conspiracy.
2:21:08
I swear to God. I swear to God.
2:21:10
And where did I land? I think a plane hit it.
2:21:14
That's where I land. But what was the motive?
2:21:16
It was at the one spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:21:19
If we're going to go, I'm just talking about did planes hit
2:21:22
these buildings and take them down?
2:21:23
Yeah, I do think so, Yeah. Yeah.
2:21:26
Well, I mean it's what do you expect a structure going to to
2:21:29
do when it gets hit by something that heavy?
2:21:31
This is what I don't believe, that they secretly had a
2:21:35
demolition team in the World Trade Center and no one saw any
2:21:38
other. Ready to blow it up.
2:21:39
Yeah, that's what I don't believe.
2:21:40
I do think that's a bit ridiculous, yeah.
2:21:42
But no one ever thinks about that.
2:21:43
They're just like, well, I saw the little smoke come out of the
2:21:45
windows. I'm like, do you understand how
2:21:48
fucking ridiculous it is to think a demolition team rigged
2:21:50
that entire building up and not one fucking person saw it?
2:21:53
Yeah, those are the same people who now kids want to be cats.
2:21:57
In school this. Is gonna be you could be
2:22:00
anything. You could be.
2:22:01
Anything. Real life furry last weekend,
2:22:03
did you? Yeah, I was.
2:22:04
I was. What are we talk?
2:22:05
You know what a furry is, is when?
2:22:07
Come on, I don't even care about this.
2:22:08
This is something that I'm supposed to not talk about on
2:22:11
stuff, but I would don't even care about this topic you let.
2:22:14
If you're a parent and you let your kid try to be a a cat or a
2:22:17
dog like, you need to be evaluated.
2:22:18
No, but I do this is even great. It's.
2:22:20
Just like this is what it is, 'cause it's you're doing it just
2:22:22
justice to your kid, That's what it is.
2:22:23
And I think that's morally sound to say, no matter who you are,
2:22:25
I. Feel like they were just getting
2:22:26
bullied, like everywhere they go and I don't want that for my.
2:22:29
Look all I heard. That's what exactly I don't.
2:22:31
Like, I'm not saying anything. Like mean about that kid because
2:22:34
clearly they're going through stuff and they need help.
2:22:35
Yeah, you know what I mean. And it's just like as a as a
2:22:37
parent or whatever is. Be sure your job to like.
2:22:39
I heard they put figure that out a litter box in the corner of
2:22:42
the classroom. Exactly.
2:22:43
I've I've heard of that. This is real.
2:22:44
It's a real thing dude. I saw I was leaving my friends
2:22:47
house last Sunday with my wife driving because she's a real
2:22:50
estate agent. So it was like we were taking
2:22:52
her to a house showing and we saw this kid, this poor like 11
2:22:57
year old girl at outside of a church with a tail strapped to
2:23:01
the back of her and she was playing in a puddle, she was in
2:23:03
shorts and AT shirt. It was like 45° outside And I'm
2:23:07
like, what is going on? Like why?
2:23:09
Like how is this even? I think I felt so bad for them.
2:23:13
Is that even a furry Malcolm? Can you confirm?
2:23:15
Oh, that's what we're saying. Furry.
2:23:16
Yeah, I thought. I thought, We're saying fairy.
2:23:18
No, no, no, no. I'm not saying fairy.
2:23:20
That's fair. That's fairies are.
2:23:21
Real fairies are real. Yeah, fairies.
2:23:22
Are real. They paid me a lot of money for
2:23:24
my teeth as a kid. That's dude.
2:23:26
I mean, no. Well, there's this whole little
2:23:29
like fairy. But I thought furries were just
2:23:31
like people that liked cosplay. They go to convention.
2:23:35
They're fine. I don't have any like that's.
2:23:36
That's totally fine with me. There was someone actually like.
2:23:39
Like they want to be a cat and like meow and stuff like that.
2:23:42
And they bring a litter box to their classroom and the teachers
2:23:44
are supposed to like be OK with it.
2:23:46
And do you imagine being a teacher do with that?
2:23:48
I feel like that's got to be to navigate.
2:23:50
Yeah, I feel like there would be some teachers that I had in high
2:23:53
school where that just shit would not fly.
2:23:56
To my. School.
2:23:57
When I was. A kid?
2:23:58
Are you kidding me? They would have.
2:24:00
Fucking sent you the fuck home. They're like, come back here
2:24:03
when you don't have a litter box, yeah.
2:24:06
Like we were having food fights and like, yeah.
2:24:08
You know, dude, that probably doesn't.
2:24:09
Taking valve stems out of school buses so we had the day off you.
2:24:12
Know like fucking fire idea though.
2:24:14
That's a. Good.
2:24:15
That's a good prank. I like that one.
2:24:17
That would be so easy now that I think about it, just walking up
2:24:20
thumbtacks. No, you just get the clip on
2:24:23
things even. They won't even know what's
2:24:25
going on. Oh, you pull the whole clip.
2:24:27
Imagine like, imagine being the school bus driver showing up at
2:24:30
like 6:30 in the morning. You just go to every single
2:24:32
school bus in the yard on flat tires.
2:24:37
That is devious. That's.
2:24:39
Awesome though. I would just turn around and
2:24:42
drive right home. Like they're all fucked up.
2:24:44
Fuck. This.
2:24:44
I'm not dealing with this today. Get paid enough for this.
2:24:48
I forgot we were doing questions.
2:24:49
We were doing questions too. This one's a funny one to come.
2:24:52
Back why is? Ricky say that I'm OK with
2:24:54
people who were furries. Just, you know, I have to put
2:24:56
that out there. We're all we're all good with
2:24:58
furries. Why is Ricky Hoffman your
2:24:59
biggest friend and foe and FD? Sorry, that was submitted by
2:25:03
Ricky I had. Definitely by Ricky, yeah.
2:25:05
I love Ricky, man. But yes, we we do have a good
2:25:08
like tit for tat thing going. Ricky, if you don't know
2:25:12
anything in this side of Ricky's competitive.
2:25:14
I don't know if he talked about it on his podcast or anything
2:25:15
like that, but Ricky has like crazy luck.
2:25:17
He's like one of the luckiest dudes in in life general.
2:25:20
But. Especially in in everyone talks
2:25:22
about it. Just the way everyone knows
2:25:23
about Ricky Hoffman's luck. So like anyway we we've done 2
2:25:28
battles in FD together. One that he won because he
2:25:31
doesn't know how to get him with freaking gas or and the other
2:25:35
one I won. Which was in the ring.
2:25:37
Maybe he knew that. Yeah, it was at Saint Louis.
2:25:40
We're at an inner clip, which you have a long extended turn
2:25:43
after that and I'm behind him again in my Z that doesn't like
2:25:45
to follow slow cars. And and I'm at the inner clip
2:25:51
and I'm sitting there like on the handbrake and I'm like,
2:25:53
dude, I got like 1/4 of a second left before like, I'm just going
2:25:57
to straighten out because I can't go any slower.
2:25:59
And like, he's still waiting to pick up the throttle.
2:26:01
And then he finally gets like into it and I know just front
2:26:03
tire and he spins out and they gave him the win.
2:26:05
And I'm like, are you kidding me?
2:26:06
I'm like, dude, like, if I didn't hit you, there's no
2:26:09
chance you were making it to the next out of his own.
2:26:11
Like there was not a shot in hell.
2:26:12
You were making it there and it's just of course.
2:26:14
So he got lucky. But anyway.
2:26:15
He might have planned that one. So that's why he says that.
2:26:18
But me and I get dinner with Ricky every week of my life.
2:26:20
He's definitely one of my closest friends now.
2:26:22
He's great. I love Ricky.
2:26:23
Off he comes, up he comes. You should see.
2:26:24
You want to see some funny about wakeboarding?
2:26:26
You should see him try to do it. He has the most tries I've ever
2:26:32
seen anyone on. Trying to get up on a wake
2:26:34
surfboard. Not even a wake surfboard, but a
2:26:36
wake surfboard which is kind of easier at.
2:26:38
Least he's. You know, but he's dedicated to
2:26:40
try and he loves coming on the lake.
2:26:41
Dude, I I don't think I'd be able to do that.
2:26:45
So shout out, Ricky. Man, what the fuck?
2:26:48
That's like reminding me of snowboarding the other weekend,
2:26:51
falling down way too many times. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to
2:26:54
get this. Steve Misco asks who won the FDE
2:26:57
Town battle between him and Misco and why isn't Misco?
2:27:01
Wait a minute. First off, he lost.
2:27:04
He could, he could look at the video he.
2:27:06
Said. Pull the tape, he.
2:27:07
Literally lost that that is my claim to fame of humor on a on a
2:27:12
snap on on AFD live stream which you know there's quite a few
2:27:17
people that watch it So Steve Misco had to go to a wedding
2:27:20
that day and if he made it throughout the round like he
2:27:23
would have been late for the wedding.
2:27:25
So like we we have this pretty gnarly first battle.
2:27:28
We had a like 11 more time then eventually I won.
2:27:32
But we So the first battle like was honestly one of my favorites
2:27:36
ever in FT. It was so gnarly like just the
2:27:39
the crazy aggressiveness between me and him battling at each
2:27:41
other. It's like we wanted to kill each
2:27:42
other and at the end of it like they call one more time.
2:27:46
But he he hit me hard. Like he just like pile drove me
2:27:50
in out of his own three at New Jersey.
2:27:51
This is FTNJ and like blew my carbon fiber door off my car
2:27:55
like he was in pieces. So we had to go back to the pit
2:27:58
to fix the car obviously. So, like the rat walks up to me
2:28:01
and she's like on the live stream and she's just sitting
2:28:03
there like, you know, asking what happened in with the battle
2:28:07
and whatnot. And I was like, oh, I got to
2:28:08
make sure that Steve Misko makes it to his wedding on time.
2:28:11
He's got to go to. So I got to go put him on the
2:28:12
trailer, see you and I can leave and then go win the battle.
2:28:16
Just so make sure that you'd make it to the FD or make it to
2:28:18
the the wedding on time. Which he But I thought.
2:28:20
It was pretty good humor, you know, for for that kind of
2:28:23
stuff, but. Hope he got there in time.
2:28:25
He's still. Annoying when they come over and
2:28:26
ask you questions while your car is like.
2:28:28
No, I like it. It's fun.
2:28:29
And that's the dynamic to it and it shows that they actually
2:28:31
care. They don't do it anymore.
2:28:32
They don't have Lurette for Pro spec anymore, which is something
2:28:35
that I would change to answer the question before because I
2:28:38
think that adds a lot of value to the pro spec drivers and they
2:28:41
pulled it away for whatever money reason they claimed.
2:28:44
But. But I know.
2:28:45
I know someone. Who do they're doing?
2:28:46
Sarah. Sarah can do it.
2:28:48
Yeah, Sarah, probably call her up that.
2:28:50
'D be interesting. So yeah, Steve still thinks that
2:28:52
he should have won because he claims that I like slowed down
2:28:55
and he hit me because I slowed down.
2:28:57
I came across the track decelled where I always you're allowed to
2:29:01
decel a little bit and then got back on the power and he just
2:29:03
dive on me really hard and he claims that it was my fault.
2:29:07
But you know, everyone says that like I just said that about
2:29:10
Ricky, you know, like it was his fault.
2:29:11
So that's what we all say I was. Going to say it sounds like it's
2:29:14
cool to have that kind of dynamic where it still sounds
2:29:17
like it's just your homies. Yeah, it was.
2:29:19
It was a. Sick, but it's like at this
2:29:21
level. Yeah, it was so much fun.
2:29:22
And then, to be fair, which is even funnier, the very next
2:29:24
event at Saint Louis, I had to battle him again, and that was
2:29:28
an easy one. I walked right through him, so.
2:29:30
He said ball don't lie. Watch out.
2:29:32
I do wish you'd come back to FD because he was arguably one of
2:29:34
him, and him and Mike Power are my two favorite people that I've
2:29:36
ever battled in pro spec, so I wish that they were both back in
2:29:39
pro spec because I'd love to battle them again.
2:29:40
You think it because you think it's because you were friends.
2:29:43
Yeah, it's just like so much. Like, you know, you can just go
2:29:45
all out and have fun with it and like trust their lead runs.
2:29:49
Like, you know, like Steve Misco.
2:29:51
Yeah, like Steve Misco. I know he could always stick it
2:29:53
to him. He's always going to do a great
2:29:54
lead run. Like even like power, like, he
2:29:56
always does really good lead runs.
2:29:57
You know, you could always stick it to him.
2:29:58
His car is going to be fast. It's going to be good and clean.
2:30:00
So, like, I just had a lot of fun battling with them.
2:30:03
That's cool. Let's.
2:30:04
See, this one's Billy. Billy from Broken Motorsports
2:30:10
asked how he got a job, how you got a job with him back in the
2:30:13
day. I just told you we kind of we
2:30:15
kind of went over there. Yeah, I told you how he was
2:30:16
wearing the dirt fish. I.
2:30:17
Just wanted to shout out Billy, because he's in here, even
2:30:19
though he had his own pot on here.
2:30:20
Billy, what are you doing in here?
2:30:21
Dude, you're on here, all right. Yeah.
2:30:24
It's got to be about Billy. Is System Gus Alex's favorite
2:30:27
snap on employee? That's not Gus asking that it
2:30:31
was John who has the S14 that won the faction pack that one
2:30:36
day. Oh really?
2:30:37
The white car? There's this white S14 on their
2:30:39
team. I think system is their.
2:30:42
Wait, what? Who asked that one?
2:30:44
System, yeah. It's probably, yeah, it's Gus's
2:30:46
friend. I don't know if I've met him or
2:30:47
not, but I know he's got a white S14.
2:30:49
Right. It's a beautiful car.
2:30:50
Really nice car. It's nice.
2:30:52
Sweet Hot Boy Wheels. Yeah, so.
2:30:54
Yeah, like it looks really fucking nice.
2:30:56
White on Chrome, shiny wheels. That's always a good formula.
2:31:00
Yeah, I would definitely say that Gus is probably I I work
2:31:04
with him the most out of a lot of the people we work with.
2:31:06
So, you know, I kind of have to like us.
2:31:08
Plus, he likes drifting. Imagine you say you didn't like
2:31:10
him and he hears this and he's like fucking piss in your
2:31:15
coffee. Yeah.
2:31:17
And then Speaking of Gus, front sway bar or no front sway bar?
2:31:21
Yeah, we. I think he just wanted to
2:31:23
trigger you. He must know that.
2:31:25
Yeah, yeah. He knows it depends on the style
2:31:28
of car and what you're doing. And then maybe we'll end on
2:31:32
favorite FD track. Like that I've driven.
2:31:37
Yeah. Or well, what have you not,
2:31:39
Yeah, what have you not driven then?
2:31:41
I mean, well, I don't know. I guess my favorite FD track is
2:31:47
probably definitely between Atlanta and Utah, like we were
2:31:51
talking about before. Yeah, I think Atlanta has a
2:31:54
better, like, ambience about it than you talk I.
2:31:58
Hear that about Atlanta? It's just a crazy party.
2:32:00
Yeah, it's just so, so much. Fun.
2:32:02
That's how it's been forever. That's what they said about
2:32:05
that. It's so much fun.
2:32:05
It's just like the it's a professional track.
2:32:07
It's a beautiful facility. Like the vibe there.
2:32:10
The fans there are crazier than any yo the.
2:32:12
Fans are like, they're having a great time in there, dude.
2:32:15
That's why we should go. Crazy at Atlanta.
2:32:17
So like, we should go to that. That'll be.
2:32:19
That's a cool one. I'd probably say is my favorite.
2:32:21
It depends. Like, I've definitely driven
2:32:23
cooler tracks than they have in the FT circuit, but like, that's
2:32:26
probably my favorite. OK, what's your favorite track?
2:32:28
Period. Oh.
2:32:31
Like, what's your cooler track that you're saying?
2:32:33
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for drift.
2:32:34
Lime Rock. Lime Rock.
2:32:35
Big course. Like the big one.
2:32:36
Yeah, the actual lime Rock. Yeah, that is.
2:32:39
That is dude, that's next to drift.
2:32:42
Drift Appalachia. Those two are my two favorite
2:32:45
things I've ever done in a drift car, which were both in 2023.
2:32:47
'Cause I did some fun stuff. Yeah, straight.
2:32:49
Yeah, it's just it's 'cause it's like Forza too.
2:32:51
Like you play that on Forza and it did.
2:32:53
They coming like down the hill at Lime Rock, the last turn
2:32:57
under the bridge, you're going like 100 plus in the car while
2:33:00
drifting and you're coming like blind like shoot down a hill
2:33:04
that you're like full transition blind down the hill at 100 and
2:33:07
then you G out at the bottom of the hill at like 100 plus easily
2:33:10
100 that. Sounds like a. 125 We pulled off
2:33:13
my car like down the hill and you're drifting and it's just
2:33:16
like the craziest experience ever.
2:33:17
It's so much. Fun What's that entry speed?
2:33:19
Like. We they start us pretty close,
2:33:21
so we. Only play Internet.
2:33:22
Like 85 ish. The other day we were playing
2:33:24
that we had it on one of the 100, dude. 50 if you want.
2:33:27
To when it's open track on on Aceto, you could just do
2:33:30
whatever the hell you want. So damn, yeah, we were throwing
2:33:33
it down there pretty fast. I want to.
2:33:34
I want to do fours of four again, man.
2:33:36
Yeah. Bro fours, just don't.
2:33:37
I'm going. To I know.
2:33:38
Something here. I'll make a little setup for
2:33:40
you. You could fucking yeah, play
2:33:42
Aceto in the corner and you'd hate it immediately.
2:33:45
Yeah, I definitely say Lime Rock though.
2:33:46
Or like I've driven Monticello Motor Club.
2:33:48
That's a really nice track too. That place is second.
2:33:50
Do they allow drifting there? No, that's.
2:33:53
A Really. Nice.
2:33:54
I brought my drift car there. I want to drive it.
2:33:55
But. Hey, hey.
2:33:58
Actually, Gingerman is sick too. Like Gingerman is the underrated
2:34:01
trap. Is that the grid life?
2:34:02
Yeah, we got to check out a grid life.
2:34:04
What? Are we doing?
2:34:05
I don't. Know I don't know what we're.
2:34:06
Doing grid life's are fun, right?
2:34:07
As a spectator, would you say grid life's fun?
2:34:09
Oh, it's like going to the party.
2:34:11
It's alright. Like if you're if you're like a
2:34:12
dirt bike guy, it's like going to Unadilla.
2:34:14
It's like nuts. Like did the partying I can't
2:34:18
even talk about. But the partying that we've done
2:34:21
at Grid Life Midwest Fest is nuts.
2:34:24
That's the one. That's the one.
2:34:25
Nuts. It's like I remember.
2:34:27
Like my first year I remember. Like concerts and shit.
2:34:29
Yeah, it's like, dude, they're playing music till all hours of
2:34:31
the night. They have, we call Narnia.
2:34:33
But like the whole like people where they they all like camp,
2:34:36
right? So they all have camp and they
2:34:38
all party all night long. So like what I can talk about we
2:34:42
we acquired a golf cart and this is like me and pretty much every
2:34:46
big. Brine Hop is involved in this.
2:34:47
No, hop was. This is before hop was.
2:34:49
Every time you hop story Really. Drift golf cart.
2:34:51
So this is like 2021. It's like me, JTP, Forsberg,
2:34:57
ODIE, Matt Field, like a bunch of these dudes.
2:35:00
And this is again my first year as like a pro.
2:35:02
And I'm like, I'm hanging out with all of my idols, like.
2:35:05
These dudes. Are like there's a lot of us.
2:35:07
So we JTP acquired a golf cart. Then we went off into Narnio is
2:35:13
what we called it. And what we did is we challenged
2:35:16
every like team of people like the locals to a game of flip
2:35:21
cup. And then we'd flip we, we'd beat
2:35:23
them, and then we'd flip the table over on them, and then.
2:35:26
It's like cutting the sticker in.
2:35:27
Half and then. Use and then a lot of times we
2:35:29
would run over the table on the golf cart or like escape and
2:35:32
they would a lot of them. Some of them were great sports
2:35:34
about it. Other ones, not so much, but as
2:35:37
like me like my first year like a pro.
2:35:39
And I'm like, dude, my whole time.
2:35:40
Like I'm sitting there thinking like I need to be more like
2:35:43
disciplined and I need to like work out more and go to the gym
2:35:46
and like get into like that real good mindset.
2:35:48
And I'm like this whole time the reason I didn't become a pro
2:35:50
earlier is because I didn't party hard enough.
2:35:52
Like all you got to do to be a Pro is just party your fucking
2:35:55
ass off. So like, it was, dude, it was
2:35:57
like the craziest night of my life.
2:35:59
And that's when I was like, holy shit, that's really when I
2:36:00
would, like, hit me. I'm like, dude, I'm with all
2:36:02
these people that I just used to watch on TV and like idolize,
2:36:05
and now I'm partying with them playing Flipkart.
2:36:07
Dude, you're. Kind of.
2:36:09
Yeah, we did it. We did it last year too,
2:36:10
Christening Get involved in a lot of people last year, but
2:36:13
like last year was like me. Vaughn was big with it last
2:36:16
year. Me Vaughn, James Dean and
2:36:19
Dinova, Jared Deenda, like always be like and they're doing
2:36:23
the same thing. We didn't steal.
2:36:24
Well I didn't say that we didn't acquire a golf cart.
2:36:27
Yeah we we like just went to everyone and played flip cup and
2:36:30
only like one of them. We flipped over because they
2:36:31
were pretty mad. They all knew about it at that
2:36:33
point. Yeah so like, but it was just
2:36:35
like grid lunch was so much fun. There's such a good event.
2:36:37
We should there's so many people like the food is amazing.
2:36:40
The vibe is amazing. Everyone's in a good mood.
2:36:42
Everyone's just having fun. It has like 2015 club loose
2:36:45
vibes just with like the craziest cars.
2:36:47
So many exactly what it is like Forza Horizon.
2:36:50
There's and there's music playing like throughout the
2:36:52
whole time. Like, dude, a good example of
2:36:54
how cool fucking grid life is, which they don't do this one
2:36:56
anymore. Alpine Horizon, but I'm in the
2:36:59
Infinity. It's like 10:00 at night.
2:37:02
I I'm leading me Chelsea like Forsberg Turk like all these
2:37:05
people and I come past the stage at at up on Horizon.
2:37:09
It's so loud like you could hear it over your drift car.
2:37:12
It's just like and you see all these people like wig out of
2:37:14
their mind partying and dancing. You're drifting.
2:37:16
Past the stage, dude. You throw it back, you come up
2:37:19
onto the Bank of this NASCAR track, which has, you know, the
2:37:21
catch fencing that goes all the way over you.
2:37:23
I'm coming up. It's 10:00 at night.
2:37:25
I'm like smacking limiter up on this bank wall and I look up and
2:37:28
there's people on the catch fencing, overhanging it just
2:37:33
like root with no shirts on. Like, it's freezing and they're
2:37:36
just like, just rooting this on. And I'm just like.
2:37:38
What the fuck is going on here? I'm like, this is the cool and
2:37:42
I'm sure Grid Life probably doesn't want people to know that
2:37:44
that happened. They don't do that anymore and
2:37:46
doesn't matter. But I'm just like.
2:37:48
Dude, this is the coolest shit ever.
2:37:50
Like, how cool is that? Like, you're in a drift car.
2:37:52
You just went past the stage and like, I think that year was
2:37:55
like, it was. It was.
2:37:57
So that year I brought young gravy for a ride in the Drift
2:38:01
Car and suicide boys. What the fuck?
2:38:04
And we took, what the heck was the other guy?
2:38:06
There's a bunch of big name people that year we took for
2:38:08
rides, but I'm like, I just took like these dudes for a ride in
2:38:10
Drift Car. Now they're performing on stage.
2:38:12
It's like suicide boys performing on stage and you're
2:38:15
seeing people hanging off these freaking crazy catch fences
2:38:17
partying, man. It's just nuts.
2:38:19
How many? Of those, do they do now a year?
2:38:21
The festivals they so Lime Rock isn't that crazy?
2:38:24
Because Lime Rock won't let them have the stage for music.
2:38:26
So it's a lot more. Actually, I like it almost more,
2:38:28
'cause it's a little more low key and it's a lot closer.
2:38:32
Gingerman is the only real crazy one that I know of now.
2:38:37
Like at least that in terms of party.
2:38:38
Maybe like Laguna. I think Laguna might have music
2:38:42
too. Dude, that that shit looked
2:38:44
insane. That.
2:38:45
One looked. Yeah.
2:38:45
I wish I got that. I was like, borderline extremely
2:38:49
dangerous. I was like, holy.
2:38:52
Shit, they they had that. They were controlled.
2:38:55
I mean, I guess I. Mean they had good drivers on
2:38:57
it. Bro, that's where you're That's
2:39:00
where choosing your drivers, I feel like is like, dicey.
2:39:03
You want to make sure you're choosing who you trust is crazy.
2:39:07
Like like grid life is so different than say like how Club
2:39:10
Loose will run grid right 'cause like you have like Nick Swan
2:39:14
running Grid, which actually I I at first I was like because I'm
2:39:17
still used to club loose way, which is very regimented very
2:39:19
strict on like what who can drive who can tandem and stuff
2:39:23
like that. And like you're on grid and
2:39:25
usually you have time to plan to who you want to drive with that
2:39:27
club loose. Like you get like wait and like
2:39:28
pick out your homies and do whatever.
2:39:30
But like grid life is like for lack of a better term somehow
2:39:33
the most controlled chaos ever. Like it's like like Swan just
2:39:37
like let's just it feels like he's letting you do whatever.
2:39:40
So like you're sitting there and you're like damn this feels
2:39:42
really sketchy but it all works out and everything works out
2:39:44
really well. And like we all end up getting
2:39:46
to drive with who we want with and everyone is everyone kills
2:39:48
it. So like I think they they just
2:39:49
have a really good vetting process before the event on like
2:39:52
who's actually allowed to like drive it.
2:39:55
You know like they so like people that like no one really
2:39:59
has to. No, I don't say that people.
2:40:00
It's just people that aren't struggling to figure out this
2:40:01
kind of like. Driving.
2:40:02
You don't have to publish. A group, yeah.
2:40:03
Exactly. It's just like we're on a group
2:40:05
and like, you know, for the most part everything's going to be be
2:40:07
good. But it's just, it's cool and
2:40:09
it's a lot of fun because it's like you get a lot of laps in
2:40:11
and a lot of seat time. Yeah, what the heck.
2:40:14
These people, we got to go. To one of.
2:40:16
These so sick. Do you have anything else?
2:40:19
No, I mean IA lot of the questions, the problem is a lot
2:40:21
of the questions. We answers we.
2:40:23
Already talked about it? That's why I was like we're
2:40:25
going to end the questions on that one, so.
2:40:28
And some of them are your friends, and we can't say we.
2:40:30
Just, yeah. A lot of, yeah.
2:40:31
The edging one. I let that one through and I
2:40:33
thought that you knew that person.
2:40:34
Guess not. I don't.
2:40:35
Even know what? Edging means.
2:40:37
Edging is we'll talk about that. No, no, no.
2:40:39
I want to hear your explanation. We talked about furries.
2:40:42
Yeah. I mean I guess edging I think is
2:40:45
when you're that you're you're close to busting and then you
2:40:48
just stop, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
2:40:49
That's what it is. Yeah.
2:40:50
It's just like. Why do you just?
2:40:53
Which me personally, I I think that's not good for you.
2:40:56
That doesn't health. Wise, I don't think that's good
2:40:57
for. You It doesn't sound healthy.
2:40:58
It doesn't sound it. Sounds like you're you're you're
2:41:00
creating stress for. Yourself, Malcolm?
2:41:02
Why'd you laugh? Doesn't sound good.
2:41:05
I think it doesn't. I think people who edge also
2:41:08
parents believe that 9. 11 was. Dude, they got to stop edging.
2:41:13
So we stopped fucking getting all this fucked up stuff.
2:41:15
In the world, like, I don't know.
2:41:17
That's just that makes me feel weird.
2:41:18
That's like, that's. You know what that reminds me
2:41:20
of? Going to take a piss and then
2:41:22
cutting it short. Earlier.
2:41:24
I had to do that earlier, but you weren't friends yet.
2:41:26
You thought we were. Going to sword fight.
2:41:28
Alex just walks into the bathroom and the door was open.
2:41:32
The door was. Just a different but we have the
2:41:34
door wide open. We.
2:41:34
Have an open door policy here? That's what it is.
2:41:37
I'm about to piss and then Alex walks in and I I'm like, fuck,
2:41:41
bitch, bitch. And then I'm like, now I got now
2:41:44
I got to let it go again. And I'm like, come on, please,
2:41:46
please, please, please, please. And then we're good.
2:41:49
Usually not pissed shy like that, though.
2:41:50
You know what? People are pissed.
2:41:51
Yeah. Yeah.
2:41:51
I think I am, Yeah. I I think you are.
2:41:54
I think I am. I think that's a personal
2:41:56
problem I got to work on. That as if we wanted to cross
2:41:58
swords immediately. Hey, some people are more.
2:42:00
Comfortable. Hey, somehow, dude.
2:42:01
Yeah, but I talk to a lot of people all week long, so I'm
2:42:04
pretty used to just throwing random shit out to people.
2:42:07
I don't know that. Well, it's good though.
2:42:08
Some people have the opposite problem where they, like, don't
2:42:11
really get to talk to people all week, and that's usually me.
2:42:13
So then when I get out of work I'm like.
2:42:16
Yeah, that is you. Yeah, that's why you're
2:42:18
screaming all the time. Yeah, you.
2:42:19
Got to let that out. Yeah, you seem like you got a
2:42:21
little pent up. I work in an office so then like
2:42:24
I get out of my office and like and if he.
2:42:26
Calls you from the office. He's like, what?
2:42:28
What? Yeah, I can't really talk.
2:42:29
Right sounds. Like he's in prison.
2:42:30
Because, like in the office, I I work hard on my brand of who I
2:42:34
am. In the office.
2:42:35
I'm a dependable, dependable person.
2:42:37
I work hard, like, but then I get out of the office.
2:42:40
You're not going to hear. You're not going to hear about
2:42:42
what I do outside of the office. Bring the drift car to work.
2:42:46
It's fucking like Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla.
2:42:49
Tesla IS bumper off. Tesla.
2:42:51
Tesla. Tesla.
2:42:52
Tesla. Yeah.
2:42:54
You big Tesla guy. No, I'm not.
2:42:57
I just. I like that's just what the
2:42:59
common I there's a new kind of EV that I see.
2:43:04
I'm going to say it on the podcast Electric cars are done
2:43:06
by 2029. Done.
2:43:08
Not done, done. But like, everyone's going to be
2:43:10
like, what the fuck are? We doing, I'm saying they're
2:43:12
going to try to drift them. I know everyone feels.
2:43:14
A lot more sensible person than I would have given you credit
2:43:16
for, yeah? You think he's not sensible.
2:43:18
No, I don't. I just don't know, I think.
2:43:20
I'm right. I think I'm right. 100% I think
2:43:22
it's not a. Sustainable thing to keep?
2:43:24
Making. Yeah, I think that they have a
2:43:26
place, don't get me wrong. And I don't think that I don't
2:43:28
think they're going to completely disappear.
2:43:30
Yeah, I don't even. It's just like, I don't know.
2:43:34
It's just we're not quite there yet.
2:43:35
And I think there's better solutions.
2:43:36
You know, I think that if they explored like hydrogen running a
2:43:38
battery pack, that would be a lot better.
2:43:40
Or even like Toyota's method is like big with the hybrid.
2:43:43
Hybrid, you know, like, I do agree with that.
2:43:45
Now there are, like in scenarios where an electric car will make
2:43:48
sense for someone in their lifestyle, yeah.
2:43:50
I think about 150 miles. Like, I spend a shit ton of
2:43:53
money on fuel every week for like, what I do.
2:43:56
Like. I don't just drive at F450I have
2:44:02
a 370Z daily driver, but like I spent a lot of money on gas that
2:44:06
like if I if I didn't have to spend that money it would be
2:44:09
more than enough to cover the payment of a Tesla.
2:44:11
That's a test. But then you're.
2:44:13
Making a payment on a. Tesla, here's the thing.
2:44:14
You. Have something to sell.
2:44:15
You can't sell the burnt fuel you use.
2:44:17
I get that, but like it couldn't be my only car, that's for sure.
2:44:21
The. First time I'm stuck at a Wawa
2:44:23
charging that shit or waiting, I lose my mind.
2:44:25
Charge it. That's it.
2:44:27
The thing is, is like, I wouldn't want to even put myself
2:44:30
in that situation. I'd want to charge my shit at
2:44:32
home all day I Come on, let's. Say something happens, you know
2:44:35
you have to go somewhere. And then it's like, it's not,
2:44:37
it's not gas. It's dude, it's.
2:44:40
Just you're just like. The soul.
2:44:41
It doesn't fit your it doesn't fit your needs, then you're not
2:44:44
AEV. Person The thing is like there
2:44:46
are It depends on where you or why you're buying it, right?
2:44:49
Like if you're If you're buying it thinking this is also dicey,
2:44:54
take the hat off. It's like.
2:44:57
If you're buying the car to think that you're saving the
2:45:00
planet, like you're in it for the wrong reason, yeah.
2:45:02
If you're buying the car because, like you are, it will
2:45:05
benefit your lifestyle or something, then like, yeah,
2:45:08
whatever. I'm not gonna yuck your Yum
2:45:09
over. It or for some reason you like
2:45:11
Tesla cars for some reason. Yeah, like if you're into that
2:45:14
car like and they they're very impressive in performance wise,
2:45:16
they're very like EV technology is going crazy.
2:45:19
It's just like we don't really have in my opinion an
2:45:21
infrastructure that really supports it that well and I
2:45:22
don't think it's that logical for the general consumer.
2:45:25
Yeah, I just, I think that some people, I always say that I use
2:45:29
my sister as an example. I always say that my sister's
2:45:31
trying to save the world with her thoughts sometimes.
2:45:34
And I'm like, I feel like a lot of times people who buy a car
2:45:36
like that, they're driving their Tesla and they're driving to
2:45:39
work. And they just feel like, yeah,
2:45:40
man, I'm saving the world right now, cuz I have a Tesla.
2:45:42
And I'm like, if you really look at, like the stuff behind it,
2:45:45
like you're really not like the battery, There's some.
2:45:47
Crazy article, that. Said to manufacture those
2:45:49
batteries is so much worse for the environment.
2:45:51
To dispose of these batteries is so much worse for the
2:45:53
environment. Like what comes out of most cars
2:45:55
tailpipes is like straight water most of the time these days
2:45:58
anyway. There's more filters on my
2:45:59
diesel truck than like you could then it was used in all of COVID
2:46:03
for N90 fives. You know there's a lot of
2:46:05
filters in like this stuff and. There was a lot of.
2:46:07
Technical that like compared electric vehicles with gas
2:46:09
vehicles and they were like the electric ones produce more.
2:46:13
Yeah, per car because of with manufacturing, but.
2:46:16
Also, not only that, it was because of the brakes, because
2:46:19
apparently the brake, the brake dust is one of the biggest
2:46:21
things with with cars and pollution and apparently Tesla's
2:46:25
because they use that brake in. The regenerative Exactly.
2:46:27
They brake more and they were saying tires too.
2:46:30
Something with that? They're heavy, yeah.
2:46:33
I didn't know that either because.
2:46:34
They're dangerous too. Like there's race tracks that
2:46:36
physically won't let you even drive a Tesla on it because they
2:46:38
don't know how to put it. They don't have the stuff to put
2:46:40
it out if it catches on fire, you know, and stuff like that.
2:46:43
So it's like, it depends, like I don't know if if it if it fits
2:46:46
your needs and saves you money, then like, yeah, I think it's
2:46:49
it's it's a sensible car to buy. I just think mandating it or
2:46:52
making it such a push. Yeah, for like.
2:46:54
Everyone to be forced into it is never gonna happen.
2:46:56
It's not gonna work. It's like the same thing with
2:46:58
the gas stoves in New York State.
2:46:59
Like, you think people are just gonna be like, yeah, I'm gonna
2:47:02
use an electric stove. Like, no.
2:47:03
Like. That's just not how it works.
2:47:04
Conspiracy man, you know, telling you they're just trying
2:47:07
to make us drive all that. Bro, yeah, now I do think there
2:47:09
are things like that. It is if they can figure out a
2:47:12
way to make like a a tractor trailer that was efficient with
2:47:15
electric. I actually think that would be.
2:47:17
Pretty okay, That's. Because it has a lot of space to
2:47:19
store batteries as lost space. But then we.
2:47:21
Don't see any badass fucking tractor trailers.
2:47:24
I like, but that's the beauty of it is you can still have your
2:47:26
dudes with your badass tractor trailers.
2:47:28
I hope so. I hope so, Yeah, I agree with
2:47:29
that. I asked Frankie a lot because
2:47:31
I'm like, you think when everybody's driving that stuff
2:47:34
that this shop is just going to be like that hot rotting shop
2:47:37
like Moon Eyes is right now. How long?
2:47:39
As they let us, I guess. I don't know what's going to
2:47:41
happen. You got to find an umbrella to
2:47:42
get under, like some sort of umbrella, you know what I mean?
2:47:46
It's just, it's just interesting.
2:47:48
I don't know, like that's the thing too, is like for us it's
2:47:50
so different because we see these things every day.
2:47:52
Like you can't go anywhere without seeing a Tesla or an
2:47:54
electric car these days for us, right?
2:47:56
So like in a lot of people, especially like the ones that
2:47:59
are in power to control what happens with vehicles, Like also
2:48:04
we're in areas that where they see electric cars every day and
2:48:06
it becomes normal. But like, if I see it a lot, I
2:48:09
travel across the whole country for racing.
2:48:10
It's like if I go to like, like if I'm traveling across country
2:48:13
and I'm in Oklahoma and I walked up to some dude in Oklahoma and
2:48:15
told him that he has to own an electric car in 10 years.
2:48:18
I would get. Shocked like you're not telling
2:48:21
people in the middle of the country that they got to drive
2:48:23
an EV and like and you think that's just going to change, is
2:48:26
that? What's in question that we're
2:48:28
going to have to just. All.
2:48:30
Eventually say 2020. I did sooner than I thought.
2:48:34
Like 2029 or something. And then New York said the same
2:48:36
thing. They do whatever they do do.
2:48:38
You think? What are Where Are the Hellcats
2:48:41
Going? To go that's.
2:48:42
What I'm saying there's a thousand of them in New York at
2:48:44
least. Wait, wait, wait dude?
2:48:45
Well, by the time then, most of them will probably be wrecked
2:48:47
total. Didn't we talk about this once
2:48:49
before? Dodge was like going all EV and
2:48:50
then they just switched, switched up in like 1 year.
2:48:53
They were like, never mind. A lot of companies, Ford did
2:48:56
that. Ford pushed huge EV stuff with
2:48:58
the Mach Mach E and coming back now, yeah, they're like Ford
2:49:02
fully admitted recently. There's I don't this is not even
2:49:05
spreading, you know propaganda or like stuff.
2:49:07
Here you could pull up an article where Ford showed how
2:49:09
much of a loss the Mach E and the F-150 Lightning Pro Mach
2:49:12
was. He was the dumbest thing I've
2:49:14
ever seen Ford do and they put a 4 cylinder in a Mustang.
2:49:17
Yeah, there's a lot of. People like those cars.
2:49:20
The four-cylinder Mustang. Yeah, you go Boost motor was
2:49:23
good. All I want is AV8 in it and I
2:49:25
don't like V eights. Yeah, I agree.
2:49:27
I definitely embrace the inner American in me, especially when
2:49:31
I drove the Infiniti, the car that has the VK 56 in it, which
2:49:33
isn't American but it's AV eight.
2:49:35
I'm like, oh, I feel American. Yeah, that chopped.
2:49:40
I'm like, man this. Looks pretty cool that.
2:49:42
Car sounds pretty. Sick.
2:49:43
You feel it in your groin, you know?
2:49:45
Big in the launches 1000%. Wear my ostrich cowboy boots,
2:49:50
you know. So how's the season looking for
2:49:51
you? This season I'm excited.
2:49:53
We have a a lot of changes and going on and a lot of I could
2:49:59
kind of talk about my stuff. I'm definitely not allowed to
2:50:01
talk about Chris's stuff, but a lot of exciting making.
2:50:04
The car a little bit more tame and.
2:50:05
Yeah, I'm even just for the program, like the car is not
2:50:08
changing too much. The program is changing a lot in
2:50:10
terms of partners and stuff like that.
2:50:12
Like my car is going to have a new title sponsor.
2:50:14
It's not going to be Nos sponsored title wise this year.
2:50:18
We're still doing a lot with Nos.
2:50:20
So is Chris. Don't worry anybody, but you're
2:50:22
actually doing more with Nos than we've previously.
2:50:24
Going to say that's like the biggest part of so when I think
2:50:26
of Forsberg, I think. That is what I think of.
2:50:28
Wait till you see what he has going on.
2:50:30
This year is really cool and so do I I'm just very excited.
2:50:32
We have another partner that is. I haven't told anyone about this
2:50:36
yet at all but we have another partner that is stepping up.
2:50:39
So anyone that's going to watch this, I'll I'll say it now
2:50:41
because I was told I was allowed to, but my title sponsor this
2:50:43
year is going to be Steelit Coatings.
2:50:45
Oh, company. Yeah, yeah, tell.
2:50:47
You what the fuck? Yeah, so I know that insider.
2:50:50
Scoop No. Literally no one knows that
2:50:51
besides my team and my wife and friends, I but I got.
2:50:55
Some questions about that company I want.
2:50:57
I want to see some of their products because I've been.
2:50:58
Hearing a lot of it's it's honestly amazing.
2:51:00
They're such a great company. They're local Lish, they're like
2:51:02
Massachusetts. The the owner, Michael, is like
2:51:05
such a cool dude. He came to FD English Town.
2:51:07
He hangs out with us like everyone from Steel.
2:51:10
It's amazing. We've been working with them for
2:51:12
a few years. They just decided this year to
2:51:15
step up and become a title sponsor for my program.
2:51:17
That's awesome. So that's super exciting.
2:51:18
It's not like we're not doing anything, like nothing's
2:51:20
changing with Nos. It's just like for my particular
2:51:22
car, think of like Chelsea with the Pennzoil stuff, you know
2:51:24
what I mean? It's just like Chelsea was still
2:51:26
with Monster. It is just how it worked for the
2:51:29
car. So like, I'm really excited
2:51:30
about this new partnership with Steel IT.
2:51:31
We're going to have a whole new livery.
2:51:32
I'm. About to ask.
2:51:33
Everything's going to be different.
2:51:35
Is like blue. Yeah, I won't tell you anything
2:51:37
about the livery, but. You could keep the car.
2:51:40
Will be a brand new unreleased Steel, it Color painted and it's
2:51:43
going to have a livery. It's still going to be a
2:51:45
Forsberg Racing Esque style livery like Chris's livery is
2:51:48
changing a bit too, because they change every couple years, so
2:51:51
they. Had the Nos.
2:51:52
Livery yeah. So his his is still Dumber, is
2:51:54
still going to be Nos. Liveries.
2:51:55
Don't worry he his program's really cool and he's got a lot
2:51:58
of cool stuff going on. Really excited for him.
2:52:01
You know he's he's he's got a like this year for him that's
2:52:05
really kind of a solidified that he's been working so hard for
2:52:09
his lot of stuff with Nissan. So he's got that Frontier.
2:52:11
I don't if you seen his own literally limited edition
2:52:13
Frontier Forsberg edition and you can get from Nissan, yeah.
2:52:17
I wish like that's like. Give him a Z but.
2:52:19
That's some big Dick shit to do. Like to be able to have your own
2:52:23
edition Nissan Frontier? Yeah.
2:52:26
You can pull it up. That's a real.
2:52:27
Thing it's it's sick, it's like. Give him the goddamn Z.
2:52:30
Give him his own. Z yo get it it.
2:52:32
Might come in the future we'll. See bro So.
2:52:35
Alex, He needs AZ. Two, so like this is like the
2:52:37
frontier. That's cool.
2:52:40
That's real. Oh, he's got it up.
2:52:41
Here. Yeah.
2:52:41
Right there. Oh, wow.
2:52:42
Hey. Yo, that OK?
2:52:44
I like that's everything about that.
2:52:45
The thing is, so the Nissan's got a big push for off road
2:52:48
right now. Oh wow.
2:52:49
So like they they raced this Nissan Frontier in the Nora 500
2:52:54
and they won their class, which is pretty cool.
2:52:57
So that like truck Forsberg and the team built and they raced it
2:53:00
and then to like kind of celebrate it.
2:53:02
Four of them. Raced that, he raced it and he
2:53:04
won. Wow.
2:53:05
Yeah. What are you doing, Frankie?
2:53:07
Not. That.
2:53:08
But yeah, so, like, that is awesome.
2:53:09
That's something cool and exciting and it's like just sick
2:53:11
to see a company step up to the plate and like, care about us
2:53:15
Drifters, you know what I mean? That's even how does.
2:53:18
It take What the fuck? That's awesome.
2:53:20
I'm glad Nissan's doing that. You know, it's really cool.
2:53:22
And they're like, they're big. Obviously with the ZI think the
2:53:24
Z is like literally one of the most home run vehicles that has
2:53:27
come out in recent history. I'm not going.
2:53:28
To talk any shit. But yeah, I'd like to see more
2:53:30
of them on the road. But I don't.
2:53:32
Yeah, that is definitely an. Interesting.
2:53:34
It's the dealerships, I think. I think it's dude.
2:53:36
It's just it's a sick car and I've driven quite a few Nissan
2:53:41
ZS, the new one, and I think the most comparable car to it, if
2:53:44
anyone cares, that hasn't driven one that has driven one of these
2:53:47
is a BMW M2 competition. They like if you blindfolded me,
2:53:52
I would genuinely think that they're almost the same car if I
2:53:54
drove. Which is funny, because that
2:53:56
car, but they're not similar to like Toyota.
2:53:59
Yeah, exactly. Unlike Toyota, it's just the
2:54:01
power delivery, the brake feel, this, everything about the
2:54:03
general feel of the car feels very similar to a BM WM2, which
2:54:06
I think is an awesome car. From from outside perspective, I
2:54:10
love the Z, but I don't see any of them on the road.
2:54:12
We saw one. I saw.
2:54:13
One the other. We all saw the same Z.
2:54:15
Yeah, I see a he was. A great one Central Jersey, the.
2:54:17
One that I seen is Gray. It's by.
2:54:19
My house, they're not. I don't see enough of them.
2:54:20
And I do agree. I think that dealership markups
2:54:23
has hurt the sales of that car and stuff like that.
2:54:27
It's a shame to see. I hate the dealership markup
2:54:30
things, but it's crazy too 'cause it's an affordable car
2:54:33
like you can. Get a base Z.
2:54:34
For like 40 grand, like 3940 grand.
2:54:37
So it's a whole lot cheaper than a Supra.
2:54:40
Yeah, and like, pretty. Much 60 but you can't get that
2:54:42
car at a. Deal in manual less.
2:54:43
Than fucking probably 70 or some shit.
2:54:45
I don't know what they're doing now, but I remember it being
2:54:47
insane. It was like $90,000, like one of
2:54:50
those cars. Yeah, they have calmed down a
2:54:51
bit, but I think it like it just hurt it at the time that it was
2:54:53
released. Yeah, you know, so it's like
2:54:55
it's a shame cuz it's to me, like I just said this today, cuz
2:54:58
I was all day today. I've been all back in this kick
2:55:00
of buying one is like it's like the last of the Mohicans.
2:55:04
If this EV thing keeps going, you know it's like a proper
2:55:07
manual rear drive twin turbocharged sports car that has
2:55:11
a lot of potential for with the aftermarket.
2:55:14
And it does look. Crazy heritage.
2:55:16
Like it's not just AZ. Like we we talk about Z's all
2:55:20
the time. Like, it's just like AZ, but.
2:55:23
And it's called the Z, right? It's not the 400Z.
2:55:25
That's definitely not called the four.
2:55:27
It's called Nissan Z, Nissan Z. The official chassis goes RZ 34.
2:55:31
OK, I wish they called it fairly.
2:55:33
But like but the. Thing is, I was get I was
2:55:34
gunning for that. Wait, called it a what?
2:55:36
Fairly Malcolm Can you bring up can you bring up the photo of
2:55:39
the new Z with it saying Fair Lady Z on the.
2:55:43
Trunk. Dude, that's cool.
2:55:45
When I saw that, I was like. Fuck, that's how it is.
2:55:48
But I'm saying it has a crazy heritage of a car and it sucks
2:55:52
to see that. You don't see them a lot, I
2:55:54
think. It's by.
2:55:55
Far. 6 all over the place. Yeah, I think it.
2:55:57
Is very cool. Well, it's also, it's a
2:55:59
different price point. Different price point.
2:56:01
Different 86 is like. It's slower.
2:56:03
It's a lot slower. I mean it's it's not even like
2:56:05
it's similar as they are in car. They're really not that similar.
2:56:08
Like it does is I think it's a beautiful car, but it's like
2:56:12
it's a lot slower, it's a lot cheaper.
2:56:14
It fits to a different fan base. It wasn't in the flagship like a
2:56:19
Eric 7 Supra. And a trunk like.
2:56:23
Type of deal NSX. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I
2:56:26
really liked the new ZA lot. Like, it's just, I really think
2:56:30
it's a cool Z. They've come out with by a
2:56:32
pretty large margin, I'm not gonna lie, because it's twin
2:56:35
turbo, it's 400 horsepower, you know, it's it comes with a good
2:56:37
diff and good brakes and you could literally bolt an angle
2:56:40
kit on that thing. And it would be.
2:56:41
And it would be a bowler drift car.
2:56:43
So is that the current grill it's coming with?
2:56:46
That's what it looks like. Which one?
2:56:47
Is it not the orange one that's. Not the orange one, the.
2:56:50
That. Green one right there, so that.
2:56:51
One right there. That's the the well that's
2:56:53
similar. They changed it a little bit
2:56:55
because that's still proto. Malcolm, give me a black 10.
2:56:58
Yeah, I want a black one, dude. That's.
2:57:00
I mean, as much as I think I like the front end, I don't
2:57:04
think I like it that much. So when you see it in all black.
2:57:06
What about the Nismo? Front end.
2:57:08
Though the Nismo front ends I think is sick.
2:57:10
There's a Nismo one, Yeah, let me see.
2:57:12
There's one for sale on Route 23.
2:57:13
Oh, perfect. It definitely looks better than
2:57:15
a 370. No offense.
2:57:17
I like how the hood still does that 370 thing in the middle,
2:57:22
the Dome. The back.
2:57:23
The back for me is what does it. I love that and the interior.
2:57:26
Yeah, the back it's. So comfortable.
2:57:28
Like I've I've driven a few of them and I'm like, dude, this
2:57:30
thing is so nice. The only driver 370Z and it's
2:57:33
just like you wouldn't. It's so different.
2:57:35
Yeah, it's way different. Even though it is a very similar
2:57:37
car in size. Blue HKS That HKS one is fucking
2:57:41
nice. I.
2:57:42
Don't know why I love the blue. To the left of what blue?
2:57:44
Is pretty cool because it reminds.
2:57:45
Me of like the one that has blue interior?
2:57:47
Yeah, like S. 15 or something like the older cars that would
2:57:49
come with. Wait, but above that, Malcolm,
2:57:51
can you click that Aftermarket 1.
2:57:52
Here we go, here we go. Yeah.
2:57:55
It's I want to see like so we're looking at a blank canvas before
2:57:59
and now I'm looking at it and I'm like.
2:58:00
Yeah, that looks. Yep, Yeah, I'd like to have.
2:58:03
That I would drive that. Yeah, I like especially that
2:58:05
angle. They look good from that like
2:58:07
yeah, three quarter. Yeah, three quarter.
2:58:08
Shot Oh yeah, that's my. Definitely one of my.
2:58:10
Favorite. I will I will say, though, I
2:58:12
heard a lot about those engines and those turbos blowing up.
2:58:15
What? Not really this particular car,
2:58:17
but the you. Talk about the Infinity.
2:58:18
The infinities? Yeah, A.
2:58:20
Lot of, I mean, there's a lot of upgrades for them.
2:58:21
They make crazy power with without a lot of modifications.
2:58:24
Yeah, they're. Definitely got like.
2:58:26
Stock water to air intercoolers like a lot of technology.
2:58:31
I mean, it's a cool that was a it's an efficient technology.
2:58:33
Water day. That's something that you just
2:58:35
have on a car, like. Your.
2:58:36
Truck has it. Yo, your truck got a lot of
2:58:39
ships, so like. That's got massaging.
2:58:41
Seats pulled up, I remember. When you pulled up on in that
2:58:44
years ago and I've had. That thing For a while, really,
2:58:46
it does. Not look.
2:58:47
Like 152,000 miles on It now looks 2018.
2:58:52
Dude, we gotta. We gotta get.
2:58:53
Fun. Yeah, I gotta get dinner, dude.
2:58:55
I gotta have any in it all. Yeah.
2:58:57
Thank you guys so much for listening and thank you Alex for
2:59:00
coming on the spot. Appreciate it.
2:59:01
This has been like, it's cool to talk to somebody who's done the
2:59:05
stuff that you do and and anytime we interview somebody
2:59:08
who's who's kind of like kind of got their shit going, yeah, it's
2:59:12
definitely always impressive and it's nice to hear from like a
2:59:16
humble guy. Excited to watch you this
2:59:17
season. I'll be, I'll be tuning in.
2:59:19
I I'll be tuning in. No, he's.
2:59:21
Not bro. I'll be accountable.
2:59:22
Now I will. Now I will.
2:59:24
All right. Bye.
2:59:26
Thank you guys. Are you are you not going to let
2:59:27
him say bye? What?
2:59:29
Yeah, I guess I'll fuck myself audio.
2:59:31
Show peace. Out Alex Jaeger.
2:59:46
Has left the building. That's it.
2:59:48
That's what we that's how we need to start the outros.
2:59:51
There it is. Yep, Just like Jocko does.
2:59:53
Yeah. And with that, Alex Jaeger has
2:59:56
left the building. Yeah, that guy's pretty cool,
2:59:58
huh? Yeah, he's awesome.
3:00:00
I'm really glad he took the time to come up here.
3:00:02
He now he's, you know, Mr. Big Shot.
3:00:04
Forsberg Racing. He really got interested in
3:00:07
drifting the next few years. Hey, I'm on Forsberg Racing
3:00:11
team. What the hell?
3:00:14
Yeah, we came in here this morning.
3:00:16
Malcolm was like, it's kind of crazy how that happened, right?
3:00:19
Yeah. I mean, I mean, I know he was
3:00:22
trying to make it sound like it's all luck, but it really
3:00:25
wasn't. Yeah, you got to put yourself in
3:00:27
the right places at the right times and he literally keep at
3:00:31
it. He's like, yeah, I met this one
3:00:32
guy, you know, and then a few years later I hit him up and he
3:00:37
just made it happen. I was like, yeah, but you were
3:00:39
working on different teams then? You worked on 2.
3:00:42
Different teams like you're definitely putting the work in.
3:00:44
So yeah, there's probably a lot more work behind the scenes than
3:00:48
we than we think, yeah. But it's obviously he's very
3:00:52
aware of his situation so. That's that's good.
3:00:55
And he's grateful, so that's awesome.
3:00:57
Yeah. I told him I have to watch
3:00:59
Formula Drift this season, so I guess I'm doing that.
3:01:01
Yeah, you're you're lying. You're not going to watch it.
3:01:04
No, I'll watch it. I mean you know I I'm, I'm
3:01:07
interested to see how if I actually know the people like
3:01:10
Mike Power and Alex, I'll kind of interested then if I don't
3:01:14
know you it's like. You know, yeah, you want some
3:01:17
type type of connection I guess. Yeah, something I wish we could
3:01:21
talk about more stuff that he told us behind the scenes.
3:01:23
But this, it looks like this season's going to be pretty.
3:01:27
Yeah, Yeah. So you guys are.
3:01:29
Formula D's really trying to be at the forefront and you know.
3:01:33
Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of cool rule changes.
3:01:35
Some are good, some are bad, mostly bad if you ask me.
3:01:39
But as far as Forsberg Racing goes, I think it's going to be
3:01:42
really sick here, so make sure you guys check that out.
3:01:45
As far as what's going on in the shop, if you didn't hear in the
3:01:48
intro, we have the shops being epoxied right now, so it's
3:01:52
pretty loud in here. You're going to hear some
3:01:53
background noise, but yeah, the shop is torn apart, so we're
3:01:57
going to be down for about a week.
3:01:59
And then you're going to see a lot of changes coming soon.
3:02:03
Look at our Instagram or YouTube, you'll see what's going
3:02:05
on. Yeah.
3:02:06
And what else we got going on? Any new parts?
3:02:09
Do we do anything? I'm not going to lie, my head
3:02:16
has been fucked up recently. It's just I feel like I got a
3:02:20
lot going on, yeah, and I just can't remember much at the
3:02:25
moment. Right now is.
3:02:27
This a therapy session. I need help Frank.
3:02:31
Wait, why didn't you talk to me about this?
3:02:33
No, it's I I'm not. I'm not complaining.
3:02:35
It's just I like I can't remember much.
3:02:38
I I always got something else popping in my head.
3:02:41
Yeah, I mean, you're always kind of a space case, but.
3:02:44
Thanks. You're welcome.
3:02:46
Thought this was a safe place, but.
3:02:50
No, yeah. I mean, I don't know.
3:02:52
I me personally, I feel like March has been slow.
3:02:56
It has felt well. The beginning was I feel like it
3:03:00
was more busy than usual. OK, beginning of the month, but
3:03:04
then it slowed down towards the second-half.
3:03:06
So this could be kind of a long outro.
3:03:08
Whatever. It's only me, it's only me and
3:03:10
Malcolm here today, so. Yeah, Chris is off.
3:03:13
His Zeus is off, 'cause there's nothing to do in the shop.
3:03:15
There's not one machine in the shop.
3:03:17
I do kind of want to talk about this though, because remember
3:03:20
how I said the other day? So February was really busy?
3:03:25
Really, Shop was busy. Parts were flying off the
3:03:30
shelves, Shit was really crazy. March came and it was kind of OK
3:03:36
for a week. And then we start planning the
3:03:38
floors and all of a sudden all the work stops.
3:03:43
Yeah. And I'm like.
3:03:44
Yeah, like, oh, it's the universe.
3:03:46
I know I don't believe in this shit, but every time it
3:03:48
something happens, 'cause people are always like, oh, it'll
3:03:51
always work, it'll work out. And it does.
3:03:54
That's what they mean when everything will fall into place,
3:03:56
yeah. But he was like this.
3:03:58
This was too on the nose. Yeah.
3:04:00
Because we usually schedule work a week in advance and we usually
3:04:04
have work a week in advance. Right now we have no work and
3:04:09
I'm not really pushing anyone off.
3:04:10
Yeah, so I should be panicking. But you know, it's all going to
3:04:16
work out as soon as as soon as the floors are done and then
3:04:19
lifts are back in, the phone's going to start ringing I.
3:04:21
Know it's so weird. And it's just the The universe
3:04:25
is watching, yeah. Like someone just said, OK, they
3:04:26
need a week break. Yeah, like what?
3:04:29
I don't know. It's very weird.
3:04:30
Let me know if you guys have any stories or anything like that
3:04:33
where things just go a little, a little two year way and it's
3:04:38
kind of weird. I don't know what that is, but
3:04:42
it's something. So yeah, as far as parts on the
3:04:44
website, I don't know. We I don't think we added too
3:04:46
much. Do you know?
3:04:48
Yeah, they like you said you you've been doing a lot of shit,
3:04:51
so you have been doing a lot of shit.
3:04:53
We just need more shop work to come in.
3:04:55
Hopefully when the floors are done, the universe all of a
3:04:57
sudden. Dude, once that first club loose
3:04:59
event hits I feel like. Yeah, you know, we're gonna need
3:05:03
more. People, they're gonna be talking
3:05:04
to one another there. Yo, I gotta get this done.
3:05:07
Oh, yo, go to faction, yo. Gonna Alex was funny last.
3:05:10
He he's like, how many people you got working here?
3:05:12
I'm like 3-4. Was he like, whoa, what the?
3:05:16
He's like, he's like, you gonna need a couple more people And
3:05:19
I'm like, yeah, I. Don't think so.
3:05:21
I mean, I. We're gonna need, like, two more
3:05:23
people eventually. Whoa.
3:05:26
Someone in parts and then maybe someone in the shop, you know?
3:05:30
But we're not in a rush. We're going to ease our way into
3:05:34
it, just like I did this whole fucking.
3:05:35
Business. Yeah, just roll into it.
3:05:38
Yeah, that's it. Thank you guys, for all the
3:05:40
orders. We've definitely been getting a
3:05:42
lot of orders lately. So that's good.
3:05:44
Yeah, every little bit helps. And if you haven't already,
3:05:48
check out our Patreon. I think you guys can actually
3:05:50
see like previews of stuff in there when you go on there.
3:05:53
But we have two tiers on there, $5 tier, $15 tier, $15 tier.
3:05:56
We'll get you every time new merch drops, you'll get a free
3:06:00
shirt or sticker, whichever it is.
3:06:02
We change it up sometimes. We've been posting a lot of
3:06:06
vlogs in that in that area because I personally don't even
3:06:11
like vlogs. So Eddie usually films vlogs for
3:06:16
us and puts them in there every week, but we don't really put
3:06:20
them on YouTube. Occasionally we'll put one on
3:06:22
YouTube if we don't have a video, but something about
3:06:26
vlogs. I'm not really a vlog guy.
3:06:28
I don't know. Not a vlog.
3:06:29
You're more of that informational.
3:06:30
Informational, yeah. Yeah, what is that like that
3:06:34
Moto IQ stuff? I love fucking Mike.
3:06:36
Yeah, those videos are great, you know.
3:06:40
I don't know, 'cause the vlog shit is easier, you know, 'cause
3:06:46
it is just bullshitting. It is doing an informational
3:06:49
video is like writing a research.
3:06:50
Paper. Yeah.
3:06:51
So it's, I guess it's a little bit harder, but I don't know.
3:06:53
What do you guys like? Leave a comment.
3:06:55
If you're on YouTube, send it. If you're on Spotify, you can
3:06:58
actually leave a comment, which is awesome.
3:07:00
Yeah, yeah, you guys got to find.
3:07:02
I don't know where you go for that, but look, look around your
3:07:05
phone, you'll see that that option in there on Spotify app.
3:07:08
And make sure to leave us a review if you haven't already.
3:07:10
Every every review helps us. Malcolm.
3:07:13
Anything else? No.
3:07:21
OK, that's it for this one. Let us know how you how you like
3:07:26
this episode. I I personally love this
3:07:28
podcast. Yeah, it was great.
3:07:30
I was covered in paint, dirt, everything, and I was like, it's
3:07:33
going to be the most uncomfortable.
3:07:34
Podcast I look like a chimney sweep.
3:07:35
I look. Like a chimney sweep.
3:07:37
And it ended up being one of the best podcasts.
3:07:39
Yeah, thanks Alex Jager. Be sure to check him out this
3:07:43
Formula Drift season. Oh yeah, and actually make sure
3:07:45
you check out all his sponsors as well.
3:07:48
Like he said on the podcast, Steal It Is.
3:07:49
His Nos steal it BC racing Nismo Damn.
3:07:56
You got all of them on on memory.
3:07:57
I remember his shirt with the shirt.
3:07:59
His shirt. His shirt.
3:08:00
He was. Wearing.
3:08:00
Yeah, I'm not gonna try to read them off the car because I'll
3:08:02
probably name some old sponsors or something.
3:08:04
So but yeah, Steal it is the big one.
3:08:06
That's his main sponsor right now.
3:08:07
Steal it seems to be a pretty cool product.
3:08:10
Basically it's weldable paint. So weldable paint.
3:08:14
Yeah, from what? From what I heard, you could
3:08:16
spray something and you can Weld on it.
3:08:18
It's basically like I'm gonna fuck this up.
3:08:21
I was gonna say it's basically weldable primer but it looks
3:08:23
good cause weldable primer you can you can paint something so
3:08:26
it doesn't rust and then you can Weld Weld on it.
3:08:30
So I think they must have did something like that, but.
3:08:32
Different. Secret formula, yeah.
3:08:35
But yeah, make sure you check out those products and yeah,
3:08:37
it's going to be a good year for Formula D so and.
3:08:39
It's going to be a good year for us, Frank.
3:08:41
You know what? You're right, Malcolm.
3:08:42
Let's go later guys. See you.
3:08:44
Bye.