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Drive Thru News #14 - #becausechips · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to Drive Thru episode number 14.
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  This is our monthly recap where we put together a menu of automotive,
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  motorsport, and random car adjacent news.
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  Now let's pull up to window number one for some automotive news.
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  That's right, Tanya.
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  And this month, Brad's not with us.
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  He's out on paternity leave, but we have a special guest host.
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  It's Mark Schenck, petrolhead extraordinaire, who some of you might
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  recognize from our 90s What Should I Buy?
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  episode.
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  So welcome to the drive thru, Mark, and thanks for coming on.
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  Awesome.
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  It's great to be back.
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  I'm looking forward to it.
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  Haven't gone through the notes.
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  This should be a lot of fun.
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  Well, we're going to kick off this month.
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  Like we do every month with a showcase brand and we're doubling down with
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  respect to the episode you did, where we talked about Mercedes and BMW.
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  So we're going to hit up both right away.
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  Mercedes has revealed their.
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  G Wagon electric concept, which apparently is not really a concept,
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  but a near production version.
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  G Wagon.
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  I am geeked about this.
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  This is with their whole EQ platform.
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  They got the EQS that's coming out.
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  That's the sedan and the EQG here now.
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  And unlike the other EQ Versions that stray a little bit from what
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  we normally see from Mercedes.
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  The G wagon is looking like classic G wagon.
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  It's boxy.
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  It's got some round headlights.
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  So it already sold me square body round by I'm good with it.
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  I like it.
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  It looks good.
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  This is what we talk about.
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  Hummer did it
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  first.
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  This is what we
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  talk about.
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  Mercedes is doing it better.
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  Well, there's that.
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  But this is what we talk about every month.
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  We talk about the fact that if you do retro right, you can take a lot of
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  these cars and make them super cool EVs without reinventing the wheel.
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  Not everything has look like a spaceship.
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  And one of our members in our group, one of the veteran off roaders,
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  he actually off roads a G Wagon.
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  It's a 2000s era.
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  They all look the same from like, you know, World War II up until today.
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  And even this thing, there's not much difference, but you know, probably
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  independent suspension all the way around and all those electric goodies
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  and things like that, that Drew was actually talking about on his episode.
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  I think this is cool.
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  This is the right Move.
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  They don't get a choice, right?
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  Right.
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  Move wrong.
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  Move.
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  It's a move they got to make.
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  Cause it's like Pepsi not doing diet.
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  It's gotta happen.
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  I think the LEDs, like all over might be a little much.
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  I mean, they've just gone all the way in on that grill, which is hysterical.
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  I mean, it started with the S class coupe and it was kind of like, Oh,
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  it's like the starlight grill and now they're just like, nah, screw it.
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  Well, we're just going to put an LED in each component.
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  It's really a third headlight.
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  Is LEDs the replacement for Chrome?
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  Is that like the new thing?
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  Yeah.
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  It's like LEDs.
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  Are they going to be like the fins from the fifties?
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  Uh, you know,
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  I could be okay with that.
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  Cause you could turn the LEDs off, but you can't turn Chrome off.
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  You can spray paint it though.
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  So I haven't read about this.
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  Have they announced anything particularly spectacular about it?
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  I mean, I see 577 horsepower, like at least with a Hummer, when they
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  came out, it was like, they had just like crazy hyperbolic type
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  numbers all around the Hummer and this is, The European Hummer, right?
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  This is their military vehicle made civilian.
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  Although this is a lie.
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  Now, the current version is not a military vehicle, but so is the Hummer.
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  So
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  I don't, I don't think the five 77 is this vehicle.
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  That's the current.
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  Top rated G class, gas power, because really all they're talking
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  about here in car and driver is that it's got four motors on each
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  wheel and it's all wheel drive.
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  If it's got four electric motors, it's probably doing pretty well.
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  That
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  thing's going to rip.
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  Plus that will be electronically controlled all wheel drive where you
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  can send a hundred percent of the power.
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  To 25 percent of the vehicle.
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  That's pretty slick.
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  I'm curious to see how that would work in an off road condition.
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  And I know a lot of people that buy G wagons are going to and from their
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  private schools and whatnot, or the soccer field, but there are folks out there
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  like drew that do run them off road.
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  So I'd be curious to see how this holds up against one of the legacy G wagons.
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  It has a well earned reputation for an authentic off road capability.
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  And they were trying to preserve that with the Hummer launch.
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  So hopefully when we get more details, they go in a similar direction.
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  So what else is in the news from Mercedes there, Tanya?
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  Well, we started out strong with a lot of excitement there around the G wagon.
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  And then.
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  You hear Mercedes Maybach.
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  Oh, okay.
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  All right.
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  And then you look at it and then I'm done.
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  Like, I don't even care to read the rest of the article.
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  This thing is fugly.
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  They're all fun.
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  What's a Maybach that's not
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  fugly.
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  Touche.
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  Like why?
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  Like you have this gorgeous G wagon and then you have this sad, weird looking,
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  like when Buick was making ugly things.
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  You
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  hit the nail on the head.
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  This reminds me of a early 2000s Buick.
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  It screams Park Avenue, Buick Regal, like with a massive grill that
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  just, I don't know how to explain this thing, but even if you took.
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  The old my book, which was basically, you know, the E-Class,
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  like on steroids and just blown up.
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  This doesn't even come close.
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  It doesn't look like anything.
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  It just looks like a deformed M class, like an ML three
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  50 or something like that.
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  It
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  looks, it looks like a suppository on spinners.
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  . I don't get it.
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  And you, you know what I, you know what I think throws me off the
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  most, more than even the LEDs.
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  It's the two-tone paint reminiscent of like a 63 beetle.
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  Where they did the same thing and kind of painted the belt line down burgundy.
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  And the top was black and, and the fenders are black.
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  I just, I don't, I don't know.
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  I don't like
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  it.
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  You can, you can tell from the pictures, the grill is fake.
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  Well, that I was going to say, there's no depth on the grill.
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  Throwing me too, is how it's just like a painted grill.
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  It's like, I get it.
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  You don't want to mess up the aerodynamics, hence the giant ugly wheels.
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  I mean, how much do those wheels weigh?
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  800 pounds each.
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  I mean out of magnesium?
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  Yeah, there you go, right?
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  Exactly.
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  They're off of a tractor.
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  Moving on from this, I found something else that just blew me away.
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  And this is a little bit of a teaser for our lost and found section.
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  It's going to be coming up here in a little bit.
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  I found a 2011 Mercedes AMG that was a hell of a deal.
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  It's listed as a C8 and in quotations, the might.
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  M I G H T.
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  The ad was subsequently pulled down very recently, but I managed to scour
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  the internet and find the pictures.
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  It might be hot trash.
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  I mean, this is so bad.
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  I feel like it's rolled over like an integer.
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  That's just gone over the top.
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  I mean, you got to respect whoever was committed enough to do that.
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  They're batshit crazy.
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  I don't want to hang out with them, but I have a degree of respect
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  for them somewhere deep down.
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  There is something weird like that going on.
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  Like I want to hate this with a passion that burns with the fire of 10, 000 suns.
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  And then there's just like a sliver of, but wow, somebody did this.
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  I'm confused by the intakes.
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  Is it a mid engine conversion?
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  That's where I was going.
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  How many motors does this thing have?
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  Right?
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  Cause it's got snorkels in the front.
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  Facing the wrong direction, by the way.
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  And then it's got a big ass Mercedes grill on the front, which looks
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  like they glued it to the coyote from hard castle and McCormick,
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  like I did not understand this car.
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  That's a double tape, double sided tape.
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  That's what's on there.
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  I think the only thing I could appreciate are the wheels, but then
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  you realize it's got this like almost boat a seer thing in the center of it.
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  I don't get it.
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  The way,
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  the way they built it.
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  Butchered the A pillar, it thinks it's like a golf cart.
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  They tried to make look like a Corvette . Like it might not
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  even actually be a Corvette
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  . It might not even be a, it might not even be a Mercedes.
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  I mean, it might be
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  one of those Gators.
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  They just welded all this fiberglass onto the front and
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  back of it.
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  I mean, it looks uncomfortable, is all get out.
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  I mean, if you look at this dashboard, I mean, all of it is just.
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  Absolutely.
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  But, but with
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  the, with the AMG emblems, I mean, this, this guy knows what he's
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  whoever did this has to be a guy.
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  Well, you know what I really appreciate though.
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  And this is a shout out to our member, Andrew bank, the exhaust tips on this
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  Mercedes are as twisted and messed up as his were on his Mercedes.
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  So I guess they got something in common, except we wish this one was in a flood.
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  So moving on to BMW.
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  BMW not only making their, you know, i series electric cars, etc, etc.
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  They also are unveiling an electric bicycle.
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  Excuse me, what?
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  It also gets the i designation.
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  Apparently it's called the i series.
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  I vision amby, A M B Y.
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  I do not know what that acronym stands for.
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  However, it's an electric bicycle that can go 186 miles,
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  has a speed of 28 miles an hour.
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  Is that a bike or a motorcycle at that point?
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  They're considering it a bicycle.
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  Does it have pedals?
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  Yes.
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  I've looked at these in Maryland and other, like, cause I wanted to
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  get something similarly like this, not for any valid reason, just
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  because it was crazy and a bad idea.
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  I thought it would be great to do.
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  The laws vary state by state.
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  They're hard to get registered.
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  Some people say it's a moped and it got mo has moped rules.
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  Some people say it's not, it's got pedals.
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  It's bicycle.
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  It's so hard.
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  I mean, I give him credit.
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  At least he's got discs in the front and the back and it's got suspension and
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  doesn't get an M version.
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  In the future,
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  M sport, M sport,
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  M sport, M B, whatever the heck it's called.
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  This goes back to what I've said many times before in the BMW world,
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  there is an ass for every seat.
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  And now there's a bicycle seat for that ass.
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  So there is a high speed pedelec.
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  They call it mode.
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  It goes to 37 miles an hour.
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  That's fast on a bicycle.
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  Yeah, you're hauling butt.
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  That's motorcycle territory.
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  It has a version without pedals, it looks like, and more of like a cafe
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  racer style seat than a bicycle seat.
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  Do you actually
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  change gears or is it a double clutch?
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  I mean, EK on
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  your bicycle.
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  This is borderline bicycle and very slow.
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  Slim line moped.
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  It's not unattractive.
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  Like they've done a good job in terms of the look and everything.
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  I think it's, it's cool.
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  I'm a little suspect of that rear swing arm.
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  It has no rear fork.
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  I thought that was kind of odd.
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  That's a little bit more like dirt bike style, but I'm also looking at
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  the first image going, I just don't understand if that's a rendering
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  or if that's defying physics.
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  They have pictures of somebody on it.
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  But I think the pictures are all in the pedal version.
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  Not that little race one.
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  I think I would try it though.
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  In all honesty, I would give this thing a go.
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  Being a bicycle fan, I'd give it a turn.
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  The unfortunate part is probably cost like, you know.
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  25 grand.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I'm shocked.
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  It gets that many miles on those huge tires.
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  I mean, the rolling resistance on tires, even on the street one, as opposed to
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  the knobby one, those are pretty, look at some of those mountain bikes tires,
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  a lot of road noise,
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  big tires.
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  Speaking of a lot of road noise.
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  The Rolls Royce Hybrid Dump Truck?
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  Uh, first of all, that is a BMW product, but what?
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  But it's hybrid, so it shouldn't be making noise, right?
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  If Rolls Royce makes dump trucks, let's just start with that.
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  Is this THE Rolls Royce, or is it Because they split the
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  company, like, a while ago, right?
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  Like, how does that work?
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  It's all BMW at the end of the day, isn't it?
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  It looks a lot like Well, no, because
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  remember when BMW bought Rolls Royce, they screwed up and didn't buy
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  the ability to use the Rolls Royce logo because they split Rolls Royce
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  Commercial from Rolls Royce Automobile.
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  So it sounds like the Rolls Royce is providing the engine,
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  but the dumpers themselves are by a different manufacturer.
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  So they're just putting a motor in it.
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  So my other question is, are they authorized to pass under
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  bridges on interstates in Georgia?
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  Depends on their height and whether or not Georgia needs the bridge moved.
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  That doesn't even look like a dump truck.
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  That looks like one of those mining operation type.
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  Based on the height of those safety rails on the side.
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  I mean, that thing is.
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  It's two stories, I think.
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  10 foot tire.
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  It's probably one of the Rolls Royce turbines.
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  I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
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  Turbine hybrid.
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  That's actually kind of a cool combination.
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  I'd like to see how that works and how that operates.
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  I'm sorry.
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  I should read the article.
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  I will say styling wise, the Rolls Royce Cullinan and this dump
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  truck, really not too different.
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  In defense of the comment, this was unveiled at a mining convention, so
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  Like right before the show, I was just scouring.
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  The M3 wagon looks like it's coming this generation.
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  Really?
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  Probably not to the U.
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  S.
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  It just popped up some, uh, photos of the camouflage, you know, they
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  put that crazy black and white.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Camouflage.
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  The
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  spy paint.
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  The question is, have they run it around the Nuremberg ring yet?
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  Because then you know it's legit.
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  When they do that, the car's coming out.
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  I mean, they're just photos of it on the streets in Germany, not around Nuremberg.
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  But it looks pretty cool.
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  I'll have to keep tabs on that.
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  Then
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  see if we can beg to get her over here.
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  We talked about wagons a while back.
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  It's, it's one of those things where it's diminishing returns.
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  The numbers of wagons every year are getting smaller and smaller and
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  smaller and being replaced by CUVs and SUVs and gigantic hatchbacks,
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  what's called what they really are.
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  Right.
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  Unfortunately, that's all the news we could come up with for
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  Mercedes and BMW this month.
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  So we know they get it.
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  They got to do something a little bit more exciting.
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  They got to get out there, but these are, these are pretty
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  interesting, but I think we need to move on to Volkswagen Audi group.
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  Do we, should we?
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  I'm very annoyed.
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  Sadly, the beetle, they put it to rest.
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  It's a very unfortunate, and I hope with the resurgence of, you know, retro
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  and electric cars and retro electric.
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  That the Beetle, I will say it again, is the perfect candidate for an electric car.
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  Stick those batteries back in the back where the original air cooled engine was.
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  Get that frunk.
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  Volkswagen, you need to do this.
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  And you need to do it.
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  Soon.
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  The frickin Aura Ballet Cat comes out.
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  Wait,
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  what?
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  If we remember that hideous punk cat, this Chinese knockoff of the Beatle
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  that we talked about several months ago, apparently now there's the EV version
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  that they're calling the Aura Ballet Cat.
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  And it's also ugly.
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  And the problem is apparently there might not be patents on the beetle
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  design and if there aren't freaking people in Wolfsburg need to get on this.
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  Either need to dig up something to block the use of this design or I don't
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  know what quickly throw some battery packs in the back of a new beetle or
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  an old beetle or an original whatever.
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  Get it done.
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  We shouldn't be surprised the uh People's wagon is popular in the
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  people's Republic, but I mean, somehow they managed to make it uglier, which
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  is hard to do and they did it though.
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  So maybe commendable, but still.
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  And that's a huge debate too.
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  I mean, we talked to somebody recently that was like, Hey, tell us, you
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  know, what you think is an ugly car.
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  And they're like the beetle.
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  And I'm like, really?
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  I've never heard anybody say that before.
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  And they're like, yeah, but it's ugly, but it's ugly.
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  It's cool.
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  I guess you could say the same thing about the Fiat 500 or the
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  Mini or anything of that era.
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  They were all designed similarly, but I'm with, I'm with you, Tanya, this
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  copycat, let's call it what it is.
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  It needs to stop.
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  It needs to go away.
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  I mean, it looks
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  like a bloated crossover interpretation of a beetle.
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  I mean, the beetle has proportions and it has some things going for
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  it certainly, but this is bad.
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  It's like we're trying to modernize it and make the lines more modern, but it's like
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  they did that already with the new beetle.
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  Yes.
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  Twice.
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  But this is just.
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  Elongating it, making it more sedan ish almost.
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  I don't know, more like a wagon.
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  It's just not right.
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  It's like, we're taking the front end of an original beetle, but then trying
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  to still modernize the side view and the rear, so we're taking a new beetle
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  and an original beetle and morphing them together, and we just need to stop.
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  And we just need to take the new beetle ish design and put an electric motor.
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  With a VW badge on it.
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  End of story.
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  Boltwagon for the win.
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  Done.
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  Done.
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  All right.
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  So let's talk about VW's ID series, which are gaining popularity here
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  in the States as well as overseas.
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  Yes, apparently the ID3 Hatch, which is, you know, the more golf sized
• 17:09
  version, which we're not getting it here yet, if at all, who knows?
• 17:15
  But in Germany, the Lower Saxony Police Department has already ordered 215 ID.
• 17:23
  3 electric hatchbacks.
• 17:25
  to use as police cars.
• 17:28
  The Lower Saxony Police Department knows who pays the taxes that fund
• 17:31
  them, so they got to keep the jobs program that is Volkswagen going.
• 17:37
  Nonetheless, it's pretty cool.
• 17:40
  We already talked about A remote island in Greece that was
• 17:44
  using ID fours as police cars.
• 17:47
  I just find it funny that they're using the bigger version on a smaller locale.
• 17:51
  And then they got these little, you know, tiny little micro cars
• 17:55
  that they're, they're running around in this police cars.
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  hope this is parking enforcement or something like, come on guys.
• 18:00
  You're
• 18:01
  in the land of the Autobot.
• 18:02
  Like, what are you going to do?
• 18:03
  They're going to run out of juice.
• 18:04
  That's what they're going to do.
• 18:06
  Yes.
• 18:07
  And we're going to bring this back up a little bit later.
• 18:10
  Excellent.
• 18:11
  But there's a lot of buzz right now around the ID buzz.
• 18:15
  There was a sighting of a, of an ID buzz.
• 18:18
  So that's the van, the new kind of mannequin for those that
• 18:22
  don't recall what the ID buzz is.
• 18:24
  In a robo taxi guys, as they called in the article, essentially, I think
• 18:29
  they're testing self driving capability.
• 18:31
  So it's a self driving test vehicle.
• 18:34
  Has
• 18:35
  a very similar kit load out to the Waymo cars, full LIDAR
• 18:39
  spectrum up front and on top.
• 18:41
  Pretty cool though.
• 18:42
  So what got me about this, when I saw this come across my desk from
• 18:45
  garage riot, I noticed something.
• 18:48
  All the previous renderings of the ID buzz, it seemed a lot smaller.
• 18:54
  This thing literally looks like a previous generation Euro van that's been updated.
• 18:59
  Now I'm confused.
• 19:00
  How big is the ID buzz going to be?
• 19:02
  I don't know.
• 19:03
  I don't think we know being still a concept.
• 19:05
  They obviously have reign to, to make changes, especially if there's issues
• 19:09
  with Safety compliance and whatnot that they have to increase the size.
• 19:13
  Or maybe some market studies said that people were unhappy.
• 19:16
  If it was too small, I don't know.
• 19:18
  We
• 19:18
  need a banana for scale.
• 19:21
  Well, that's a good point too, is it's tricky in the photo.
• 19:24
  Sometimes when you don't have something next to it to reference,
• 19:28
  sometimes these things look bigger or smaller than they actually are,
• 19:31
  but you know, what's smaller than we think it is this new VW called the ID.
• 19:38
  Oh, yes.
• 19:38
  This is their little mini like a hatchback, like a rabbit bigger.
• 19:42
  So trying to be like this little mini SUV, but it's way, I mean, it's hard to tell
• 19:48
  in this picture because they say it's a mini SUV and I look at this and I'm like,
• 19:51
  this is very small SUV is a stretch.
• 19:54
  Compact crossover, since that's the new flavor of the
• 19:57
  day, maybe a normal size golf.
• 20:02
  I mean, if you look at, look at where the rear door handle is, it's over the
• 20:06
  center point of the wheel, which means your ass is sitting on the rear axle.
• 20:11
  You can get away with that packaging and electric car for sure.
• 20:13
  But no, one's been that aggressive, right?
• 20:15
  I mean, the volt is pretty small.
• 20:17
  The
• 20:18
  minis are that small where you're basically sitting over the rear wheels.
• 20:21
  That thing has no trunk, which is
• 20:24
  akin to a mini,
• 20:25
  but it also kind of reminds me of that Honda concept
• 20:28
  behind
• 20:28
  the
• 20:29
  E
• 20:29
  exactly.
• 20:30
  So it reminds me of that kind of reminds me of that Fiat one 26
• 20:33
  concept, that rendering we talked about a couple of months back.
• 20:35
  I mean, I like the fact that it's cute and small.
• 20:38
  It'd be fun in one of those ancient cities in Italy where you can barely
• 20:42
  get a Fiat 500 through these alleyways.
• 20:44
  So I understand why.
• 20:45
  This thing exists.
• 20:47
  I just don't see it really working for let's say our shores as an example.
• 20:52
  Yeah.
• 20:52
  And they went with the yoke for the steering wheel.
• 20:55
  Uh, that's a hard
• 20:55
  pass.
• 20:57
  Yeah.
• 20:57
  I don't understand why cars are doing that.
• 21:00
  I want to feel
• 21:01
  like I'm driving a 737 very sportily.
• 21:03
  Except okay.
• 21:05
  You know?
• 21:05
  Yeah.
• 21:05
  I mean, this isn't a formula car your hands.
• 21:09
  Yes.
• 21:09
  When you're racing, Oh, don't move your hands.
• 21:12
  Let's not get into that can of worms, but In the streets, you often are making
• 21:17
  a turn that's more than 45 degrees.
• 21:20
  Yeah.
• 21:21
  Unless, yeah, unless the steering ratio is insane, in which
• 21:24
  case it would be very twitchy.
• 21:26
  There's another new Audi prototype that's coming to the table.
• 21:30
  The
• 21:30
  Audi Grand Sphere is what they're calling it.
• 21:33
  It's a concept right now and it's what they're using to launch their
• 21:37
  vision of a self driving luxury car.
• 21:40
  So who knows if this will actually come to any sort of fruition?
• 21:43
  I mean, when you look inside of it, it has nothing.
• 21:46
  I mean, it's full self driving.
• 21:47
  There's no dashboard, but where the dashboard would be,
• 21:50
  it can project a screen there.
• 21:53
  There's no steering wheel.
• 21:54
  I mean, it's like you're in the fanciest first class.
• 21:58
  Qatar Airways plane, your own private pod there.
• 22:02
  So the question is, this does not grow or shrink like the
• 22:05
  Audi we talked about last month?
• 22:06
  No, I believe not.
• 22:07
  This one they're saying is essentially as long as an A8L.
• 22:11
  Oh, that's huge.
• 22:13
  Because they have no, you know, if it's electric and all that, they're
• 22:15
  actually probably getting even more cabin space because they don't need,
• 22:19
  you know, the room for the big honking V8 or whatever that's in that car.
• 22:22
  So it's a giant limousine
• 22:24
  with four seats.
• 22:25
  So
• 22:26
  they all, they all turn around in different directions, right?
• 22:30
  They're like swivel chairs or whatever.
• 22:32
  So
• 22:32
  I mean, the pictures look like the, that would be hard to do
• 22:36
  just based
• 22:36
  off the backseat.
• 22:38
  Definitely cannot.
• 22:38
  It's one giant bench.
• 22:40
  I realized people would worry about motion sickness, but.
• 22:42
  You might as well take the crash advantages of facing backwards.
• 22:45
  It's so much safer.
• 22:46
  Let me ask you this about Audi's current line of concepts, right?
• 22:50
  And I feel like we're in this era of concept cars.
• 22:53
  And I wrote an article about this, I think a year or two ago.
• 22:55
  It's like good ideas and bad execution and the evolution of some of these
• 22:59
  concepts that never come to fruition.
• 23:00
  And then people forget about them and then eventually they find their way.
• 23:04
  I mean, you can go back.
• 23:05
  As an example to the Audi Avis in the early nineties that found its way into
• 23:09
  the Nardo and eventually into the Bugattis and the R8 and all this kind of stuff.
• 23:13
  And they're part of that family tree.
• 23:15
  But what I'm starting to notice with the Audis, and I feel like
• 23:18
  they've been doing this for a while, they restyle all their cars.
• 23:21
  So they look the same and you can't tell the A5 from the A4 from the seven
• 23:25
  from the eight, except for the number of doors and the length of the wheelbase.
• 23:28
  But every new Audi I've seen so far, I'm like, wow, that's cool.
• 23:33
  And then I go.
• 23:34
  Are these going to all be on the new Batman movie?
• 23:36
  All feel like Bruce Wayne should be driving them.
• 23:38
  I just, I don't get it.
• 23:40
  You know what this front end of the grand sphere reminds me of?
• 23:42
  And I know it doesn't look similar, but it's just like, you kind of look
• 23:46
  at it at first glance and you see it.
• 23:48
  The Audi Avis.
• 23:49
  I mean, I think we're definitely in an era where 50 years from now, they'll be
• 23:54
  making jokes about the prototype cars.
• 23:56
  Like we did about prototypes from the fifties that were like, Oh, we're
• 23:58
  going to fly everywhere and we're gonna do all kinds of crazy stuff.
• 24:02
  I do think it's a reflection of how scared, not just the automakers
• 24:06
  are the entire supply chain.
• 24:08
  I mean, I've seen crazy stuff coming out from tire manufacturers, like.
• 24:13
  Everybody's so afraid of being disrupted and existential kind of changes to the
• 24:17
  business model that they're getting really ambitious with where this
• 24:22
  might go, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is sometimes
• 24:25
  come across as a little ridiculous.
• 24:27
  The concepts these days are just getting more attention, right?
• 24:30
  Concept cars have always been.
• 24:32
  Ridiculous looking, especially the ones that actually never go anywhere.
• 24:36
  I mean, if you go looking through concept cars, they all are ludicrous.
• 24:39
  You go back and look at, you know, 50 years ago, the concept
• 24:42
  car, we're laughing at them.
• 24:43
  Like, Oh my God.
• 24:44
  And someone thought this was a good idea.
• 24:46
  I don't know what to say in that regard.
• 24:48
  If this comes to fruition and would it actually look like this?
• 24:52
  Or not hard to say,
• 24:55
  keep it going there, Bruce Wayne.
• 24:56
  But speaking of other futuristic blade runner, 2049 looking cars.
• 25:01
  Last month, we talked about Audi's proposed entry for the Dakar rally.
• 25:06
  The car fighter that they built is pretty wicked looking.
• 25:10
  I mean, it definitely is like the 13th Cylon.
• 25:12
  I mean, it's all sorts of angles and LEDs and whatnot.
• 25:16
  We got a hold of this teaser video and we're like, this is really cool.
• 25:19
  This is really epic.
• 25:20
  It also.
• 25:21
  conjured up a lot of questions about how are they going to run a car in the
• 25:24
  desert on just electric where are they going to stop and quote unquote fuel
• 25:27
  up and things like that but there's an interesting bit of news that also popped
• 25:32
  up surrounding this and named synonymous in the world rally world in the gymkhana
• 25:37
  world in the world of ford is ken block And now Ken Block has signed with Audi
• 25:44
  to help develop this Dakar fighter.
• 25:46
  And I think that's super exciting.
• 25:48
  And I don't want to spend too much time talking about this.
• 25:50
  Spoiler alert.
• 25:52
  We actually have a guest and an episode coming up later this fall where we talk to
• 25:57
  a very close friend of Ken Block's and get some inside scoop on what's going on into
• 26:02
  Ken's past and projects they've worked on together and where he's going with Audi.
• 26:06
  So stay tuned for that.
• 26:07
  But I also want to talk about another VW motor sports development.
• 26:12
  Cause you don't normally hear about VW in motor sports, like
• 26:16
  you do Porsche or you do Audi.
• 26:18
  Volkswagen's always just kind of the parent company, you know, setting up
• 26:21
  the funding lines for these racing series, you know, the last VW only
• 26:25
  racing series, I think I watched was Hans Stuck during the beetle cup
• 26:28
  racing in the UK about 20 years ago.
• 26:30
  Right.
• 26:31
  Now there's talks that in 25 and 26.
• 26:36
  VWs setting up to partner with Red Bull to make a play in Formula
• 26:41
  One to provide the hybrid systems for the Red Bull Formula One cars.
• 26:46
  I think this is awesome.
• 26:48
  More people participating, more manufacturers participating is always.
• 26:52
  Always awesome.
• 26:53
  That's the constant struggle in F1.
• 26:55
  Nothing but good news as far as I'm concerned.
• 26:57
  So part of the article that we posted, it'll be part of the show notes.
• 27:00
  They talk about this thing called the MGU H the motor generator unit heat.
• 27:05
  It's a really fancy.
• 27:07
  Hybrid electric internal combustion engine and just think of it as a
• 27:11
  giant electric turbocharger I'm going to, I'm going to summarize that I'm
• 27:14
  gonna give you the bluff on the rest of that article but Volkswagen is in
• 27:18
  development to provide that type of technology for Red Bull in the 2025.
• 27:23
  26 seasons are really looking forward to seeing Volkswagen plastered on the side
• 27:27
  of a formula car for the first time ever.
• 27:30
  So you could see that being very portable to Lamborghini and
• 27:32
  therefore the Audi R8 platform.
• 27:35
  I mean, if you look at the Countach, the, everybody jokes about its
• 27:38
  little 33 horsepower electric motor, which is worthy of joking about.
• 27:43
  It's capacitor based and not lithium, you know, so that, I mean, that,
• 27:46
  that's kind of the whole point of, I mean, you'd have to think
• 27:48
  in racing, that kind of situation.
• 27:50
  It's not going to be a battery based.
• 27:52
  Type system, because that's going to be too much weight for something like F1.
• 27:56
  So I think that could be very portable for both Lamborghini and Audi from that
• 28:00
  perspective, which is, you know, which is very cool and possibly even Porsche not
• 28:05
  to lead into the next topic, but we're
• 28:07
  absolutely going to.
• 28:08
  And as our Porsche aficionado on this particular episode, let's jump into it.
• 28:12
  Let's talk about the 718 and the mission R as they're calling it.
• 28:16
  It's super cool.
• 28:16
  I mean, you want a thousand horsepower Cayman.
• 28:20
  Like who doesn't want a thousand horsepower came
• 28:22
  everybody with a nine 11 doesn't want a thousand horsepower came in
• 28:25
  any self respecting person with an 11, once a thousand horsepower came
• 28:29
  in, I think, you know, they'd be disappointed, be embarrassed by one.
• 28:32
  They'd want to buy one.
• 28:33
  I think it's obviously race only they're setting up what, like
• 28:36
  this single make race series.
• 28:37
  It's totally bad ass.
• 28:38
  I mean, I'm a little biased.
• 28:39
  I obviously am a big Porsche fan, but I mean, the car looks badass.
• 28:43
  The wheels are unfortunate, but Hey, aerodynamics, you know,
• 28:47
  the car is totally bad ass.
• 28:49
  You can see the tech coming out of that translating into the all
• 28:54
  electric 718 that they announced.
• 28:56
  So, I mean, these two things are very complimentary.
• 28:59
  They're making a one make 718 race series.
• 29:01
  They're making an all electric 718.
• 29:04
  And so you can see the technology being extremely portable.
• 29:08
  The gauntlet is going to kind of be laid down for any.
• 29:12
  718 turbo S what GT2 versions that they come out with for this electric version.
• 29:19
  Everyone's going to know what the R can do.
• 29:20
  Cause the R came out first.
• 29:21
  So you have this crazy benchmark to go up against, which is insane.
• 29:24
  Couple of the data points that I thought were interesting to talk about that all
• 29:28
  electric 718 was their weight target, quote unquote, only 3, 650 pounds.
• 29:35
  It's portly for a Cayman that's for sure.
• 29:38
  But as far as, uh, all electric cars go.
• 29:41
  It's lightweight.
• 29:42
  It's very light.
• 29:43
  Yeah.
• 29:44
  I mean, short of like, you know, that little Volkswagen, we were just looking
• 29:47
  at some kind of postage stamp of a car.
• 29:49
  I thought it was interesting.
• 29:51
  You know, they were very transparent.
• 29:52
  The most important 718 buyer is a 31 year old man in China.
• 29:57
  I'm like, that's pretty good age to be buying your first brand new Porsche.
• 30:00
  They're more worried about price, weight and performance than they are range.
• 30:05
  And so they have a relatively modest range target of 250 miles.
• 30:10
  For a race car.
• 30:11
  That's pretty good.
• 30:12
  The other thing I'll say about this, I I'm in total agreement about these wheels.
• 30:15
  They are just atrocious, but the styling of this, especially in the
• 30:19
  race trim, big wings and all that kind of stuff and splitters and canards
• 30:24
  and whatnot, I really like this.
• 30:26
  I don't look at this and go, that's a Cayman.
• 30:28
  I look at this and go, that's something special.
• 30:31
  It's something different.
• 30:31
  It doesn't look like any other Porsche.
• 30:33
  It's not an evolution of something else.
• 30:35
  I mean, I guess it retains the windshield and maybe the A pillar
• 30:39
  and some of the silhouette of a, of a Cayman, but I just don't see it.
• 30:42
  It's a badass.
• 30:43
  It's, you know, the Arnold Schwarzenegger of, of Caymans.
• 30:47
  It's totally buff in its prime.
• 30:48
  It's like, this is, This is cool.
• 30:50
  I'm really shocked though, politically that Porsche would allow something
• 30:55
  like this to even be built.
• 30:56
  And I kind of understand why it's being targeted to a specific cup series where
• 31:02
  they're running against each other.
• 31:04
  Because like you alluded to at the beginning, you don't
• 31:06
  want to embarrass the 911.
• 31:07
  The 911 is the flagship.
• 31:09
  Just like when the 914s came out, 944 turbos and other cars
• 31:13
  where they were like, Oh, they're just good enough to be better.
• 31:16
  Then they find a way to neuter them, put a dorky motor in them so they
• 31:20
  can barely perform or something like that, because they never
• 31:22
  want to show up the flagship car.
• 31:24
  And I feel like this is in that same weird area where it's like,
• 31:27
  yeah, it's going to be awesome.
• 31:29
  We're going to hamper it.
• 31:30
  And then when finally a privateer gets their hands on it and, you know, finds
• 31:34
  a way to fit it into a class, whether it be an IMSA or WEC or something like that.
• 31:39
  Then I really want to know how this car stacks up against the venerable 911.
• 31:45
  It is interesting.
• 31:46
  Porsche has had these moments in their history and everybody loves
• 31:49
  to tell the story about the nine 28.
• 31:51
  And there was like, Oh, you know, this is when the nine 11 is going
• 31:53
  to end and the nine 28 is going to take over and blah, blah, blah.
• 31:56
  I think someone at Porsche said, you know, nine 11 is for boomers.
• 32:00
  So we're not going to go hybrid.
• 32:02
  You know, it's not going to get an electric version, which is
• 32:05
  a very bold statement to make.
• 32:07
  In this period of time, of course, the buyers of the nine 11 aren't
• 32:12
  clamoring for an electric version, but you have to think about the future
• 32:15
  of the brand and in the buyers that are going to be there down the road.
• 32:18
  So this may be the passing of the torch, right?
• 32:20
  Or they're sitting there and they're saying like, look,
• 32:23
  we can let them compete.
• 32:24
  I don't think.
• 32:25
  An all electric 718 that's faster than a GT3 or turbo S or whatever.
• 32:32
  I don't think the one person who buys the one is cross shopping the other.
• 32:36
  Like if you want a stupid fast electric sports car, you can buy a platter,
• 32:40
  you can get a tie can or whatever.
• 32:41
  I think it's really interesting from where they're going with the brand.
• 32:44
  Are they saying the 9 11 20 years from now is going to really struggle
• 32:48
  as those buyers start to age out?
• 32:51
  They never went electric.
• 32:52
  They never catered.
• 32:52
  And the 17 takes over.
• 32:54
  I mean, and if you look at
• 32:56
  it from a motorsport perspective, you know, we joke all the
• 33:00
  time that the 9 11 has been consistent, especially in the last.
• 33:04
  Let's say 10 years, because just like the 911 GT one from the early 2000s,
• 33:11
  the motor suddenly magically found its way towards the middle of the car.
• 33:16
  And then they said, okay, well, we're going to put it back in the back again.
• 33:18
  It's going to hang out over top of the rear wheels.
• 33:20
  And then every year, every season, it finds a way to just migrate
• 33:25
  forward towards the driver somehow.
• 33:28
  So I've always been, I have a kind of joke that.
• 33:30
  It's a logical conclusion that they've been evolving a bad idea
• 33:34
  for like 60 years, and they need to move away from this pendulum, this
• 33:37
  hammer that's going down the road with all that weight over the rear end.
• 33:41
  And it needs to be more of a mid engine sports car.
• 33:43
  So you're right.
• 33:44
  Maybe it is the passing of the torch.
• 33:45
  And I'm going to continue to say that I'm very happy that the 914
• 33:49
  finally gets its day in the sun.
• 33:51
  Let's call it what it is.
• 33:52
  Let's call it what it is.
• 33:53
  It is a nine 14.
• 33:54
  Fair enough.
• 33:55
  I totally agree.
• 33:56
  I mean, it's really frustrating when Porsche makes a product for
• 33:59
  a slot in the lineup and not for what the platform is capable of.
• 34:03
  We might be able to have her cake and eat it too.
• 34:05
  I don't think this means that there isn't some RSR version of.
• 34:09
  The nine 11 in the future in that engine gets moved forward.
• 34:12
  Like it has been in motorsport, can stay naturally aspirated or turbo or
• 34:16
  whatever, at least an IC component to me would be the best of both worlds.
• 34:20
  They, they actually, you know, advance that forward a little bit,
• 34:23
  go follow motorsport, do what they did there and do electric and 70.
• 34:27
  Or
• 34:28
  take a page out of what is it?
• 34:29
  The 918's playbook, you know, with the LaFerrari style or the NSX, where the
• 34:34
  911 still has a petrol engine in the rear, like you're saying, but maybe is
• 34:38
  four wheel drive no longer turbocharged going back natural aspirated, but
• 34:42
  has that electric motor up front to help propel it and get it there.
• 34:45
  So maybe a cross between it.
• 34:47
  Yeah.
• 34:48
  This 718 and the 918 supercar.
• 34:51
  So, yeah, I mean, it's not
• 34:51
  like the 918 is depreciating, you know, there's still not a Carrera
• 34:55
  GT, you know,
• 34:56
  we could, we could, we could kill this whole show on this
• 34:59
  topic.
• 34:59
  Absolutely.
• 35:00
  So it's probably good that we move on to something lighter hearted, but also.
• 35:05
  Keeping with the theme of staying with tradition and following through and we
• 35:10
  mentioned Audi earlier and obviously Volkswagen Audi and Porsche have been
• 35:13
  together since the very earliest days.
• 35:16
  And for those of you that don't realize that the auto union started at the turn.
• 35:20
  of the century.
• 35:21
  That's the 1900s, not the 2000s.
• 35:24
  You know, there's a long pedigree there.
• 35:26
  There's a long involvement with these three families together.
• 35:29
  And it's actually two large families, the Porsche family and the Piek family,
• 35:32
  but we won't get into that whole history.
• 35:33
  If you want to learn more about that, listen to the little Anton episode
• 35:36
  that we did during this month.
• 35:38
  But what I'm getting at here is Audi did this heritage video.
• 35:42
  And it's really cool.
• 35:43
  We're going to include it in the show notes.
• 35:46
  And if you haven't seen it yet, check it out.
• 35:48
  It's a little bit long, but also check out the bloopers at the end, because
• 35:52
  it really, really makes the film.
• 35:54
  Tanya, I know you watched it.
• 35:55
  What did you think?
• 35:56
  I was admittedly confused in the beginning.
• 36:01
  Agreed.
• 36:02
  I
• 36:02
  really wasn't sure what was happening.
• 36:04
  I was totally into it once they went vintage with all the older
• 36:10
  cars, especially the IMSA and the Raleigh Quattros and all that.
• 36:13
  And then seeing Stuck and whatnot in this short film.
• 36:17
  I think the one thing that was missing or the one person that
• 36:20
  was missing was Michelle Mouton.
• 36:22
  I absolutely agree with that.
• 36:24
  Because with all the legends they were showing between cars and
• 36:27
  person, she needed to be there.
• 36:29
  A hundred percent.
• 36:30
  So I think that's unfortunate that who knows what reason why
• 36:33
  she wasn't, but I would have liked to have seen that representation.
• 36:36
  It
• 36:36
  sucks that Doug DeMuro makes the cut and she doesn't.
• 36:38
  I agree with you on that as well.
• 36:41
  Freaking joke.
• 36:43
  We need to read you on that one.
• 36:44
  Definitely have to have Michelle in there.
• 36:45
  And I will say, I agree with you.
• 36:47
  When the vintage car showed up, That's what did it for me.
• 36:50
  And a couple of things were really important.
• 36:52
  I really, really enjoyed the scene between Walter Rural,
• 36:56
  Han Stuck and Hurley Haywood.
• 36:58
  And when Hurley stands up and he's like, you guys have been
• 37:01
  holding me up for 30 years.
• 37:03
  You know, and he's like chucking water balloons at them.
• 37:05
  So I busted out laughing because it's so true.
• 37:08
  And a lot of people forget that Hurley started with the Audi's not
• 37:11
  just with Brumos Porsche, right?
• 37:13
  He ran the Audi's in Trans Am, but the thing that really got me, that
• 37:17
  Really pulled at the heartstrings because it's going to be one of those
• 37:19
  moments where you read about all these celebrities now that have passed because
• 37:23
  of COVID and all this kind of thing.
• 37:24
  It's that moment where you realize Hans Stuck Jr is driving his father's
• 37:30
  auto union, you know, 16 cylinder developed by Ferdinand Porsche senior.
• 37:36
  They pulled that car out of mothballs and used it in the film.
• 37:39
  I mean that alone, just that scene of him driving down that wooded
• 37:43
  road, kind of leading that parade.
• 37:45
  I was like, I just stopped.
• 37:46
  It was just, it was absolutely incredible.
• 37:48
  And it just, it just pulls at the heartstrings because you realize
• 37:51
  that's, that's a whole legacy.
• 37:54
  That's two generations in that same family of epic race car drivers
• 37:58
  and epic cars and things like that.
• 38:00
  So I guess what I'm getting at here is if you don't know the Audi history,
• 38:03
  dig into it a little bit more.
• 38:05
  It's absolutely fascinating and it's got many tributaries and rivulets
• 38:09
  that you can go down when it comes to the Volkswagen story and the Porsche
• 38:12
  story and how they're all intertwined.
• 38:14
  At the end of the day, what it really says is that they do have real
• 38:18
  enthusiasts, real fans that work there and that, that have that kind of passion.
• 38:22
  And that's how every now and again, they actually come out
• 38:25
  with a really amazing product.
• 38:26
  Like the e tron GT.
• 38:28
  They just need to lower the price tag on that thing.
• 38:30
  A hundred percent.
• 38:30
  It wouldn't be a drive through episode if we didn't talk about the
• 38:33
  fourth largest auto manufacturer in the world, Stellantis.
• 38:36
  And I got a call.
• 38:39
  There's always a lot of drama, especially with, you know, Fiat
• 38:43
  and Ferrari and all these things.
• 38:44
  And you hear about it in Formula One and you hear about it in racing.
• 38:47
  They always like, well, if they're not winning, let's change the rules.
• 38:50
  It's a very, you know, FIA sort of thing to do.
• 38:53
  But this latest one, uh, It's just mind bogglingly kind of idiotic.
• 38:58
  I was reading this article and it's in the show notes and it says, and
• 39:01
  I'll paraphrase it for you guys.
• 39:02
  The Italian government is in talks with the European union to exempt supercar
• 39:07
  manufacturers from a gas engine phase out.
• 39:10
  on their way to electrification.
• 39:12
  So what does that mean?
• 39:13
  They want to get out of jail free card so they can continue to build
• 39:17
  Lamborghinis and Ferraris and all these other super cars that we love and we
• 39:21
  enjoy and sound amazing without having to worry about turning them into EVs,
• 39:26
  which is kind of funny considering All these concept EV supercars that they're
• 39:30
  still kind of proposing, but I just had to laugh and I flag on the play yellow
• 39:35
  car, get these guys off the field.
• 39:36
  I couldn't disagree more.
• 39:37
  I think it's exactly what they should do.
• 39:40
  We've got to be realistic about if we're going to claim the environment,
• 39:43
  then we have to be realistic about what's driving greenhouse emissions.
• 39:46
  And it's the quantity of meat that people eat.
• 39:48
  It's completely unregulated engines.
• 39:50
  They use in the naval shipping.
• 39:53
  It's not your V12.
• 39:55
  Ferrari that gets driven 1500 miles a year that still manages
• 39:59
  to be emissions compliant.
• 40:00
  Hell, we let the Elise come into the country without a passenger side airbag.
• 40:04
  God help us.
• 40:04
  You know, we did, we can, we can pass on regulations when it makes sense.
• 40:09
  I agree.
• 40:10
  I agree.
• 40:11
  I just think it's funny.
• 40:12
  I think it's awesome.
• 40:13
  I hope they get away with it.
• 40:15
  If
• 40:15
  they can fight it and win, more power to them.
• 40:17
  I'm not saying, I'm just, like I said, I just had to call shenanigans on that.
• 40:20
  I was like, I don't know
• 40:21
  what to say.
• 40:22
  I mean, yeah, no, it's, it's newsworthy for sure.
• 40:25
  I just hope they win is all.
• 40:26
  I mean, if anyone can do it, it would have to be these hyper cars that, you know,
• 40:32
  a hundred are sold or something, right?
• 40:34
  Because, They aren't being driven.
• 40:36
  So on the one hand, it is kind of like, what's the big deal.
• 40:39
  The reality is, is yes, everybody's moving to full electric, but
• 40:43
  will we really, time will tell.
• 40:47
  Diesel's making a comeback.
• 40:48
  That's all I'm
• 40:49
  saying.
• 40:49
  Yeah.
• 40:49
  I mean, all those regulations that came up in California, which
• 40:52
  California has done the math.
• 40:54
  On what electric, what the electric car switch will do to their grid.
• 40:57
  They're creating regulations around the power efficiency
• 41:00
  of your personal computers.
• 41:02
  They're getting hard on the electrical grid because they know that as the
• 41:06
  electric creation of cars come, they do not have the capacity or anywhere near
• 41:10
  it today, and it will cost billions and billions to build, and we have no great
• 41:15
  way of really building it because we won't go nuclear, which is, you know,
• 41:18
  I don't want to open that can of worms.
• 41:19
  In Europe, there are a lot more nuclear power plants than there are in the U S.
• 41:22
  I just know, Mark, that if you and I were being taxed on the number
• 41:26
  of computers that we have in our house, it would be a very large bill.
• 41:31
  If you look at my network and all the devices connected.
• 41:33
  I am surrounded by screens like the Batcave.
• 41:35
  It's insane.
• 41:36
  But there's some other good news over in the Stellantis world.
• 41:40
  Yeah.
• 41:40
  So the Chrysler brand has named their new CEO.
• 41:44
  So it is a female Christine fuel coming from a Honeywell being
• 41:50
  their chief commercial officer.
• 41:51
  And apparently she also had a stint in global marketing
• 41:56
  with Ford a decade or so ago.
• 41:59
  So she's got some interesting background and hopefully she'll.
• 42:02
  Bring good things to the Chrysler brand.
• 42:04
  Yeah.
• 42:04
  I'm just trying to figure out what Chrysler actually slaps their badge
• 42:08
  on other than the Pacifica right now.
• 42:09
  So, you know, Hey, mini vans.
• 42:11
  That's cool.
• 42:12
  I also, when I first saw this come across my desk, I immediately
• 42:15
  thought Lea Iacocca, right?
• 42:16
  Similar background came from Ford, went to Chrysler twice, you know, save the day.
• 42:21
  Not that Chrysler's in bad shape right now because it's part of slant is,
• 42:24
  I think she has the remit over Dodge too, right?
• 42:27
  What's Dodge making again?
• 42:29
  Many Hemi's.
• 42:30
  That are very future proof.
• 42:32
  I think the bigger thing is if they're naming CEO to the brand, then they
• 42:36
  have some sort of short term strategy to say that we're going to try and
• 42:41
  revitalize this brand or try to have something other than the Pacifica or
• 42:44
  maybe the Chrysler 300 under the moniker.
• 42:47
  Right.
• 42:48
  So who knows, maybe.
• 42:50
  Unfortunately, it, it tanks probably not necessarily through any fault of her
• 42:54
  own, or maybe she's able to use her past marketing and strategic roles in various
• 43:01
  companies to help create something new that we haven't seen yet from Chrysler
• 43:05
  or bring back something from the past.
• 43:08
  But let's not bring back the K cars and EV.
• 43:10
  Okay.
• 43:10
  We do not need Aries EVs.
• 43:13
  I'm just going to lay it out there.
• 43:14
  It's not a good idea.
• 43:16
  They were a good idea.
• 43:16
  Top
• 43:17
  of my head.
• 43:17
  I really can't think of what Chrysler should come back, like
• 43:20
  which Chrysler model should make a
• 43:23
  retro reappearance.
• 43:25
  It's interesting.
• 43:25
  Like what's at the top of her list, right?
• 43:27
  Because if she's the CEO of the business unit of Chrysler, then
• 43:30
  her bigger problem is Dodge than the actual fact that Chrysler.
• 43:34
  Is a joke.
• 43:35
  I mean, Dodge is where they have all the volume that's also having where the most
• 43:39
  aged platform is reading the article.
• 43:42
  I mean, it looks like she, she has the unit, which is really cool.
• 43:45
  I mean, it was called Fiat Chrysler, Fiat Chrysler and Dodge.
• 43:49
  I've been in their headquarters and done some projects for them in my
• 43:53
  professional life, similar to the comment about what brought up the Audi video.
• 43:57
  Tons of enthusiasts work there.
• 43:58
  I mean, like everywhere I went from vice president, executive of whatever,
• 44:02
  down to people, you know, managing relationships with the dealerships, very
• 44:07
  passionate about their product, loved their Hemis, loved what they were doing.
• 44:11
  But I mean, man, all that stuff is so old.
• 44:14
  I would classify it like a turnaround strategy.
• 44:17
  Like you've really got to turn this thing around.
• 44:19
  If you're going to keep the brand.
• 44:21
  Going forward,
• 44:22
  the Mopar stuff hasn't been bad.
• 44:23
  I mean, I think Fiat did a better job with Chrysler than Mercedes did.
• 44:28
  Now, granted to your point, they're all running around on a hundred
• 44:31
  year old, you know, C and E class chassis and all this kind of thing.
• 44:35
  We joked about that before, especially with the challenger and the charger,
• 44:38
  but from the aesthetics perspective, you could really tell when the
• 44:41
  Italians took over and they facelifted the Jeeps and they facelifted the
• 44:45
  charger, which wasn't anything to write home about for quite a long time.
• 44:48
  And so they've done a good job.
• 44:50
  The Pacific is not bad looking either.
• 44:51
  I mean, and I'm a little biased cause we have one, but whatever, but it's just,
• 44:56
  but it's just, you know, they do need to do something with, they do need to do
• 45:01
  something with the brand that's for sure.
• 45:03
  And just, I'm just not sure what that is yet, but I'm, I'm very
• 45:05
  curious and I'm cautiously optimistic about where they're going to go.
• 45:09
  Okay.
• 45:09
  It's not to bring back the PT cruiser in any shape or form.
• 45:15
  Get out.
• 45:15
  So it's not to do that.
• 45:17
  What it could be is to bring back the Chrysler 300 sedan as a luxury
• 45:24
  Mercedes Cadillac fighter with the right styling and enhancements.
• 45:32
  Could that be a competitor in that?
• 45:34
  I agree with you there, and I'll say this, despite the early gangster style of the
• 45:39
  300, you know, when it was revitalized in the two thousands, every one of those I've
• 45:44
  had is a rental car from the, the very first reintroduced to the current ones.
• 45:49
  I enjoy them.
• 45:50
  They're very plush, they're nice places to live.
• 45:52
  They don't have the best motor to write home about.
• 45:54
  It's the same Penn star that you get in the the Dodge Caravan or whatever,
• 45:58
  unless you get the Hemi version, the art.
• 45:59
  The RT or the SRT eight or something like that, they do need to take
• 46:03
  it a step up to Mark's point.
• 46:05
  It's classy, but it's classy for Mercedes in like 2010, you know what I mean?
• 46:10
  At its best.
• 46:11
  And so they really do need to do something different to step it up.
• 46:14
  Apparently though, there is a 2022 300 coming.
• 46:17
  So that is still in their lineup.
• 46:19
  What I am thinking though, is Chrysler.
• 46:21
  If the trajectory is to kind of turn it and revitalize it, not
• 46:24
  that it's doing poorly, but.
• 46:26
  Pacifica has an advantage over the other minivans in that it's the only hybrid
• 46:32
  minivan that's out there right now.
• 46:34
  So if they take that momentum and it has been selling well and they propagate
• 46:39
  that into other Chrysler models, maybe Chrysler becomes the EV arm of the future.
• 46:44
  Dodge, Stellantis, they can use that as a jumping off point because right now they
• 46:48
  don't have anything that's really easy.
• 46:49
  And they've talked about, you know, there's sun setting the
• 46:51
  Charger and the Challenger.
• 46:52
  We talked about that on the last episode and the plans for the future
• 46:55
  of those two cars are completely unwritten that, you know, they said
• 46:59
  it's the last hoorah for the Hemi.
• 47:01
  We don't want to see the muscle cars go away.
• 47:03
  We want to keep them around, but what are they going to do in the EV space?
• 47:06
  And I think GM's.
• 47:07
  Now leapfrogged Chrysler because we were joking for a long time.
• 47:10
  What's, you know, what's Chevy going to do?
• 47:12
  Ford's way ahead of them, you know, and I guess that leads us into
• 47:15
  our domestic conversation a little bit as we kind of transition into
• 47:19
  Ford and Chevy a little bit more.
• 47:21
  One of the things I discovered is we used to have the horsepower wars.
• 47:25
  Now we have the kilowatt wars for a long time.
• 47:28
  Resto mod in restoration type shops have been taking like Tesla packages
• 47:34
  and putting them in retro cars and doing all these kinds of things.
• 47:37
  There's a rumor of like an E Copo from GM that's coming out, but Ford
• 47:42
  has put out and has teased, you know, And EV crate engine, there's
• 47:46
  not a ton of details on this.
• 47:47
  There's a lot of schematics, a lot of really interesting stuff.
• 47:50
  The one thing that I thought was really cool is it only measures about 22 and
• 47:55
  a half inches at its longest dimension.
• 47:57
  So that's really, really compact, which means you could put it in a lot of things,
• 48:01
  be it a front wheel drive and old type two bus, you know, whatever you want to
• 48:05
  jam this EV into the problem is they're not telling you what the power output is.
• 48:10
  And the comparison they made in the article was, well, the Tesla makes
• 48:13
  The equivalent of 577 horsepower in this new magical number.
• 48:17
  So I'm really curious to see where that goes.
• 48:19
  The one thing the article alluded to was that we'll know more at SEMA
• 48:23
  this fall when SEMA finally happens again, you know, here post COVID.
• 48:26
  So really curious to see where that goes.
• 48:28
  I think the whole concept of getting into the parts business around this is great.
• 48:33
  Obviously, the battery becomes a more important component than the engine, and
• 48:38
  I don't know enough to know why the, the mileage per kilowatt hour is so different
• 48:43
  between like Tesla's and every other Evie.
• 48:46
  It is a significant enough gap that I think.
• 48:49
  It's worth mentioning, they have a huge efficiency gap there.
• 48:52
  Would you have to think in the, in this kind of custom space would be a real
• 48:56
  advantage if they could figure that out?
• 48:58
  Now, unfortunately, all of these plans are now beholden to shortages, changes
• 49:04
  in production, obviously COVID chip shortage, all of that we hope every day
• 49:09
  that this stops and every month goes by and it actually seems to get worse.
• 49:13
  What I've heard is now because of that, Ford was going to introduce A new pickup
• 49:17
  called the Maverick, which I think was a little confusing because there was a Ford
• 49:20
  Maverick way back when, which is actually a bit of a two door coupe, kind of a
• 49:24
  variation of the seventies Mustang, but they decided they're going to scrap that
• 49:28
  because it was going to be built in India.
• 49:30
  And that's a 2 billion hit to Ford because they're shutting down that production.
• 49:34
  And then, you know, some of that is to do to chip shortages due to
• 49:37
  personnel and labor laws and all that.
• 49:39
  And it's just.
• 49:40
  Sad to see, I actually really like the spy photos of this Maverick truck.
• 49:44
  I think it's pretty cool.
• 49:45
  It's more attractive than the current Ranger.
• 49:47
  I think it's a better size.
• 49:48
  I mean, the F one 50 has gotten huge and the Rangers kind of
• 49:51
  the size of the old F one 50.
• 49:53
  And I, I, I hate to say it comes with some weird engine packages.
• 49:56
  Like who wants a pickup truck with a 2.
• 49:58
  3 liter turbo four cylinder.
• 49:59
  I'm like, I just don't get it.
• 50:00
  Please convince me that I'm wrong.
• 50:03
  I heard that the, you can get the V six now, but whatever, but yeah,
• 50:07
  so this Maverick's kind of cool.
• 50:09
  Maybe it'll get built.
• 50:09
  Maybe it won't, but it ain't going to get built in India.
• 50:11
  I admittedly don't understand the, uh, I guess the link between the two
• 50:15
  because apparently Ford's been in India with two plants since 1995.
• 50:19
  And it's essentially operated at a loss this entire time, which is equated to
• 50:23
  about 2 billion as they haven't been able to pick up any market share there.
• 50:26
  So
• 50:28
  that's what it is.
• 50:29
  They're just cutting their losses.
• 50:31
  It's the best excuse in the world.
• 50:32
  You guys said it on the show last month that the chip shortage Is the best excuse
• 50:36
  in the world to optimize your business.
• 50:38
  Hey, sorry, got to lay you off.
• 50:40
  Uh, you know, chips.
• 50:41
  Hey, sorry, got to exit your country.
• 50:43
  You know, chips.
• 50:44
  Hey, sorry, got to drop this product line.
• 50:47
  Chips.
• 50:49
  I mean, you know, the gloves come off.
• 50:51
  They're like, Hey man, I got the best excuse in the world.
• 50:53
  No chips.
• 50:54
  Barbecue, sour cream and onion, or what are we talking about?
• 50:57
  Salt
• 50:57
  and vinegar every time.
• 50:58
  So GM is also shutting down plants due to chips.
• 51:05
  So that's all we really need to say.
• 51:07
  I think, I
• 51:08
  don't think it's permanent shutdown.
• 51:09
  I think it's, again, they're having to temporarily close down factories because.
• 51:13
  Tips
• 51:14
  because chips,
• 51:15
  can we start that?
• 51:15
  Hashtag chips
• 51:18
  because chips, Chrysler got a new CEO because chips, chips,
• 51:22
  but there is a positive coming out of this and actually goes back to
• 51:24
  something you mentioned earlier, Tanya about police cars and EVs and in the
• 51:29
  UK, they're going to use the car.
• 51:32
  We will not refer to as the Mustang, the Mach E as police vehicles.
• 51:36
  And I believe they're replacing the aging.
• 51:39
  Opel Astra diesels.
• 51:40
  Police officers over there are famous for running around in.
• 51:43
  I'm really curious to see how that turns out in the UK as well.
• 51:46
  I kind of feel that compared to Germany, the Mach E larger car, considering the
• 51:52
  British roads and all that, there's a lot more towns that are closer together
• 51:56
  and not massive amounts of highway.
• 51:58
  Obviously there's the A1 and things like that.
• 52:00
  There's such different environments, right?
• 52:02
  You compare German and British culture, like Germany, they deal
• 52:06
  with the legacy of the Stasi.
• 52:08
  And so they're, you know, they're not as big into cameras everywhere,
• 52:10
  looking at everything all the time.
• 52:12
  They have more of a kind of personal freedom bent, you
• 52:16
  know, hence the Autobahn.
• 52:17
  And so, I mean, in the UK, like what the hell do you need a Maki?
• 52:22
  It checks all the right boxes.
• 52:24
  I guess for them, it's a big car for us.
• 52:26
  We think of it as like, you know, not a large car, medium sized, but for
• 52:29
  them, it's a big paddy wagon type thing where you could build a police barrier
• 52:34
  in it and throw people in the back.
• 52:35
  But soccer
• 52:36
  hooligans in there.
• 52:37
  Yeah,
• 52:37
  exactly.
• 52:38
  Pick up your hooligans and toss them in the back.
• 52:40
  It's probably more of that perspective in regards to like a SUV ish.
• 52:47
  Electric car.
• 52:48
  What are your other options besides a Mach E?
• 52:52
  Well, as Tanya's alluded to, there's a lot of options in Europe from Renault,
• 52:55
  from Nissan, a multitude of manufacturers, Citroen, Peugeot, et cetera.
• 52:59
  Now they're under the Stellantis banner.
• 53:01
  So there's a lot of, Choices over there that we don't get us even on
• 53:04
  the Volkswagen side of the house.
• 53:06
  So I think it's interesting that the Mach E is going to go over there.
• 53:10
  I just wonder like, you know, we hear all the time again, because chips,
• 53:13
  how are they producing all of these?
• 53:15
  Or is it because they stopped producing something else that now
• 53:17
  they can suddenly start building Mach Es for the UK police department?
• 53:21
  It's even more interesting because these kinds of fleet
• 53:24
  sales never have good margins.
• 53:26
  Price is always a big part of the negotiation on the fleet sale.
• 53:29
  The British do love Ford.
• 53:31
  They've got their Ford Rally Cosworth heritage.
• 53:33
  So that might've been part of it.
• 53:35
  Like if you're a cop, do you want to be driving around in some French
• 53:38
  electric turd, or would you at least have something that has a
• 53:42
  prancing pony on the front of it?
• 53:44
  I don't know.
• 53:44
  We won't ever
• 53:45
  call a Mustang on this show.
• 53:48
  Still has the pony on the front.
• 53:50
  Least worst choice.
• 53:52
  And you know, what's funny, something we don't talk about on this show very often
• 53:55
  I think it's because there's not a ton of excitement coming out of the Far East.
• 54:00
  And that's JDM vehicles.
• 54:02
  And we've actually found a collection this month of vehicles that we can talk about.
• 54:06
  We do need to revisit one from last month.
• 54:08
  So what if I said, Integra, the spy photos, the renderings are out.
• 54:13
  What do we think?
• 54:14
  Oh,
• 54:14
  I'm sorry.
• 54:15
  You didn't say Honda Accord.
• 54:17
  I thought it was a really cool looking two door Civic.
• 54:20
  This alleged 2023 Acura Integra.
• 54:23
  Let's ignore the name for right now and look at the photo.
• 54:26
  This is a very handsome two door Acura.
• 54:30
  Very handsome.
• 54:31
  Yes.
• 54:32
  That's it.
• 54:33
  Have anything to do with an Integra zero,
• 54:36
  I guess maybe I'm a little lost.
• 54:38
  I had an Integra as a kid.
• 54:39
  I love Integras.
• 54:40
  I ask a question.
• 54:41
  Why this, why does this have nothing to do with an Integra?
• 54:44
  Like, I mean, Integra is just a little, a little accurate.
• 54:46
  I mean, other than it being two doors, I'm very sensitive to, if you're
• 54:50
  going to reuse the name, then I want it to be more reminiscent of the car
• 54:55
  namesake and I don't see if you had just shown this to me, I would've
• 54:59
  been like, Oh, look, the new TSX.
• 55:02
  It's a two door and it's quite handsome and I like it very much and look
• 55:05
  forward to seeing it on the road.
• 55:06
  But I never would have said, Oh, it's an Acura Integra or an RSX was
• 55:12
  supposed to be the next Integra.
• 55:13
  I mean, the front headlights are a little rectangular, like the Integra up
• 55:18
  until I don't remember the designations, unfortunately, cause it's not German.
• 55:22
  It's the one I drove.
• 55:23
  It was like a 94 was before they went to the round headlights and after it was
• 55:28
  the kind of early mid nineties Integra.
• 55:31
  I could see the front end a little bit there.
• 55:35
  Obviously not the aggressive air scoops and everything underneath.
• 55:38
  Maybe I'm stretching, but I feel like that headlight line a little bit.
• 55:41
  But the other rendering, the black one from the artist, not from
• 55:45
  Honda, that one looks more like The Integra you're talking about.
• 55:49
  If you kind of scroll down through that article, and if you're listening
• 55:51
  to this, you know, check it out in the show notes, that one is more reminiscent
• 55:55
  of an Integra to me than the orange, the copper car that they're showing.
• 55:59
  Exactly.
• 56:00
  So at the bottom, there's recommended stories in the middle one.
• 56:03
  There is.
• 56:04
  You know, someone's rendering that one, that one screams to me, Integra RSX.
• 56:09
  And that is a car that needs to be built a thousand percent.
• 56:12
  Yes,
• 56:13
  absolutely.
• 56:13
  Going back to the copper Integra.
• 56:15
  Cause it's the one that we'll probably build.
• 56:16
  Am I crazy or like, look at the stance and the setup, kind of the
• 56:20
  geometry of the back of that car.
• 56:22
  It doesn't have.
• 56:23
  That weird civic Humpty Dumpty thing going on.
• 56:26
  Yeah.
• 56:26
  Like it actually looks like it might have some suspension
• 56:29
  in the back that could move.
• 56:30
  That would be nice.
• 56:31
  I mean, the new civic type R turbo, whatever the heck it is
• 56:34
  making umpteen trillion horsepower.
• 56:36
  Now that's got IRS.
• 56:38
  I mean, the Hondas have had IRS for a while.
• 56:40
  I mean, I've written in one.
• 56:41
  They're fantastic.
• 56:42
  They're a little big compared to what I grew up with and what you grew up
• 56:45
  with as civics and integrals, which were small, compact GTI size cars.
• 56:50
  Now.
• 56:51
  They're kind of huge.
• 56:51
  And we've joked before you look at this and you're like, man, that's
• 56:53
  a really cool two door Accord.
• 56:55
  But now the Accord is massive.
• 56:57
  It's like, you know, the size of an Avalon is like a Buick.
• 57:00
  It's just, just huge.
• 57:02
  So, I mean, I guess it's, it's a coming of age thing.
• 57:04
  The cars get bigger, we get older, you know, whatever.
• 57:07
  But I guess I'm with Tanya.
• 57:08
  I want to see it in person.
• 57:10
  Cause again, like we said earlier, sometimes.
• 57:12
  And renderings to, to mark's point, you got to get a banana for scale.
• 57:16
  So you don't really know like where things are at and what
• 57:19
  it's going to measure out as.
• 57:20
  Now, if this is a re skinned type R Civic, I'm very interested
• 57:25
  because it is a performer.
• 57:27
  And I tell you what those cars out of the box turnkey on track on
• 57:31
  street tires are phenomenally good with a slightly better physique.
• 57:36
  I'm very, very interested in checking it out.
• 57:38
  Hopefully the price point won't be something astronomical,
• 57:40
  but Get ready folks.
• 57:42
  Get ready.
• 57:43
  A new skyline is coming.
• 57:46
  It's going to have four doors.
• 57:47
  And it might be an SUV.
• 57:49
  Can I, can I throw up on air
• 57:52
  a little bit in the back of your throat?
• 57:53
  Yeah.
• 57:54
  I mean, you can surely make the noise.
• 57:56
  We'll understand
• 57:58
  again, going back to names.
• 58:00
  If it isn't well for a GTR, don't put a skyline badge on it.
• 58:04
  I mean, I'm very annoyed by the Mustang Mach E.
• 58:07
  Let's not call that thing a Mustang.
• 58:08
  All right.
• 58:08
  Can we not?
• 58:09
  So, I mean, this is the same thing.
• 58:11
  Like a skyline is not an SUV.
• 58:13
  So let's just.
• 58:13
  Stop
• 58:14
  to go backwards a little bit.
• 58:15
  You wait till the Chrysler 300 is an SUV.
• 58:17
  The next one that comes out,
• 58:19
  That's like the Ford Taurus, the Ford
• 58:21
  Taurus SUV, the Ford Taurus SUV.
• 58:24
  Isn't there
• 58:24
  also like the Mitsubishi Lancer SUV?
• 58:27
  Yeah, it's ridiculous.
• 58:28
  Now there's an Eclipse, Eclipse, Eclipse SUV.
• 58:32
  It's like, no,
• 58:33
  it's so wrong.
• 58:35
  So wrong.
• 58:36
  What gets me about this car is I look at it and I just see a
• 58:39
  QX50 and I'm like, come on guys, you could do better than this.
• 58:42
  Just slap some badges on an existing infinity and pass
• 58:46
  it off as something else.
• 58:47
  I'm sorry.
• 58:48
  This doesn't cut the mustard.
• 58:49
  And you wonder why we don't talk about Japanese cars.
• 58:52
  I mean, so, so to be fair, this.
• 58:53
  Skyline wasn't the GTR, although a lot of people think the GTR is a
• 58:58
  trim package.
• 59:00
  Was
• 59:01
  kind of a luxury version.
• 59:02
  I mean, Nissan's version of it.
• 59:04
  They never brought it over here, but so it's like, okay, you know, uh, I never
• 59:08
  understood that market segment, but that's where that market segment is.
• 59:11
  But if you try to make that a GTR and bring it over here,
• 59:14
  I'm not going to buy it.
• 59:15
  I'm going to make fun of anybody who does.
• 59:17
  So there pretty
• 59:17
  much, but let's switch gears a little bit.
• 59:19
  So a little bit of tease to the motorsports world, 2022, the GR,
• 59:24
  the gazoo racing version of the 86, the new one that's out is going to
• 59:28
  be the official pace car for NASA.
• 59:30
  That's not the rockets and satellites.
• 59:33
  That's the national auto sport association championships.
• 59:36
  In September of 22.
• 59:38
  So I'm looking forward to that.
• 59:39
  I like the kind of paint rendering scheme they're going to do on the car.
• 59:42
  We talked about the new GR 86 a couple of months ago versus the new BRZ.
• 59:47
  They've done a facelift on them.
• 59:49
  I'm not convinced that they're not the same car still.
• 59:52
  I still think they need a turbo.
• 59:53
  I still think a lot of things need to happen with that platform
• 59:56
  because it is the Japanese 944, as I've said, many, many times.
• 1:00:00
  They are phenomenal cars on track.
• 1:00:02
  They are a lot of fun.
• 1:00:03
  I wouldn't throw one away if you gave one to me, you know, I'd run
• 1:00:06
  the hell out of it, but it's kind of cool to see that NASA has chosen the
• 1:00:09
  86 as their, uh, as their pace car.
• 1:00:12
  Since we're talking about Subaru, let's just go straight
• 1:00:15
  for the throat on this one.
• 1:00:16
  What do we think about the new WRX?
• 1:00:18
  All right.
• 1:00:19
  We're going to skip the whole pace car conversation.
• 1:00:20
  We'll go straight.
• 1:00:22
  I mean, what is there to say, right?
• 1:00:23
  We got to get to this WRX.
• 1:00:25
  I mean, I was surprised it could go fast enough to do the job.
• 1:00:27
  Fair enough.
• 1:00:28
  No, I mean the WRX at first, especially in thumbnail, I thought it was a civic,
• 1:00:32
  right?
• 1:00:34
  I think the entire interwebs thought it was the new civic and we were
• 1:00:38
  all being punked by asking Kutcher.
• 1:00:40
  I just, I don't get it.
• 1:00:41
  Is it the legacy?
• 1:00:42
  Is it the Impreza?
• 1:00:44
  What is this thing?
• 1:00:46
  I don't know, but the internet is very upset by those plastic
• 1:00:49
  cladding around the fenders.
• 1:00:51
  Because it takes a round fender and makes it angular like a Lamborghini.
• 1:00:55
  Like what is that?
• 1:00:56
  Well, there's no
• 1:00:58
  reason to have plastic cladding on the fenders of a WRX.
• 1:01:02
  But Rally bro.
• 1:01:03
  But rally chip, I know this isn't Rocks, chips.
• 1:01:05
  This isn't
• 1:01:06
  an STI chip.
• 1:01:07
  This is just a W Rx regular.
• 1:01:09
  Is that still?
• 1:01:09
  Because chips, I mean 'cause chips just, just
• 1:01:13
  rock chips.
• 1:01:14
  By the way, is copper the new color for Japan?
• 1:01:18
  You know, this is like Volvo from 1999 and the C 70.
• 1:01:21
  No, no.
• 1:01:22
  Like, what is this?
• 1:01:23
  The Acura was a nice marigold.
• 1:01:26
  This is . This is like a, a, a tangerine.
• 1:01:30
  Is that the official color of Honda Marigold?
• 1:01:34
  The only thing I like about this are the rear taillights.
• 1:01:37
  I actually kind of like that, but to your point, it looked like they're off of
• 1:01:40
  a, Especially the taillights are the most civic looking.
• 1:01:45
  I
• 1:01:45
  like
• 1:01:45
  those.
• 1:01:46
  I'm okay.
• 1:01:46
  Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  I mean, I guess that's, that's a fair reason to like it.
• 1:01:49
  The article title said it all right.
• 1:01:51
  Cosplaying a civic.
• 1:01:54
  Here's the thing, right?
• 1:01:55
  I'm from the VW world.
• 1:01:56
  I'm a dubber through and through.
• 1:01:58
  Call me a boomer.
• 1:01:59
  I don't care.
• 1:01:59
  I grew up in a different era.
• 1:02:01
  Mark two GTI is freaking awesome, right?
• 1:02:03
  And when you see one, you go, that's cool.
• 1:02:06
  Those cars were just, they were bad ass.
• 1:02:08
  They were hella dope.
• 1:02:09
  The Subaru's had their time too, where in the early days of like
• 1:02:12
  Colin McRae rally and things like that, those early Imprezas, the
• 1:02:15
  22B, you know, those kinds of cars.
• 1:02:17
  They're amazing and they have a cult following, but just like the
• 1:02:21
  Volkswagens, they've strayed away from the originalness, the uniqueness,
• 1:02:26
  and that grassroots enthusiasm and the people that are behind it.
• 1:02:30
  And so yes, your point, this is a big old bloaty sedan and it's kind of man.
• 1:02:34
  The, the specs suck.
• 1:02:36
  It's three extra horsepower for the previous one.
• 1:02:38
  Kudos.
• 1:02:39
  It's got a six feet manual.
• 1:02:41
  God bless Subaru for keeping the manual around.
• 1:02:43
  I gotta give 'em props for that.
• 1:02:44
  Go back to your roots.
• 1:02:46
  Give us another 22 B.
• 1:02:47
  Give us something that we, that we want, that we'd be interested in.
• 1:02:51
  I mean, granted, I, I don't want a flat four, but that's
• 1:02:54
  discussion for another day.
• 1:02:55
  I just think this is the wrong direction.
• 1:02:57
  I mean, I do appreciate how the Japanese auto manufacturers have just
• 1:03:00
  like noted out of the horsepower wars.
• 1:03:03
  So we're just like, no, it's, it's good.
• 1:03:05
  It has, it's like Rolls Royce power is sufficient.
• 1:03:08
  I don't know.
• 1:03:08
  I mean, I guess because Lexus gave everything a really big grill, they
• 1:03:12
  need a hood scoop to look aggressive.
• 1:03:14
  I don't, I don't know.
• 1:03:16
  They need to put the hood scoop in because then you wouldn't
• 1:03:19
  discern this from the legacy.
• 1:03:20
  If you're, if you're a, if you're a soccer dad.
• 1:03:23
  In the Northeast and you make whatever 70, 80 grand a year, you're going to buy an
• 1:03:30
  outback.
• 1:03:30
  You're not going to buy this thing.
• 1:03:32
  I know a lot of guys that have bought these things.
• 1:03:34
  They've been horrible for a long time, right?
• 1:03:36
  I mean, that wasn't one or two generations ago.
• 1:03:38
  These platforms have been bloated and in tough for a little while now.
• 1:03:41
  Yeah.
• 1:03:42
  They'll get a non STI WRX.
• 1:03:44
  Why?
• 1:03:46
  Cause it's.
• 1:03:46
  Better than the Outback legacy?
• 1:03:48
  I don't know.
• 1:03:49
  I mean, I'm struggling here rather have I just, I rather call or a
• 1:03:51
  Malibu,
• 1:03:51
  I think
• 1:03:52
  at this point, no,
• 1:03:53
  . I work, I work, I work with these guys and they're, they're
• 1:03:56
  all in Rochester, New York.
• 1:03:57
  They all drive Subarus, you know, in case they're listening to this.
• 1:04:00
  I love you all.
• 1:04:01
  I don't know why you make their car choices that you do, but
• 1:04:03
  they will probably buy this.
• 1:04:04
  What Mark's saying is you live in a place that snows by an Audi, get on with it.
• 1:04:11
  Speaking of, you know, Asian cars and the Asian market and whatnot, another
• 1:04:15
  brand that we just don't talk about because they haven't produced anything
• 1:04:18
  that really gets us excited in a long time is Hyundai and Kia, right?
• 1:04:23
  They're both the same company for the folks that don't know.
• 1:04:25
  It's the same company, different badges.
• 1:04:27
  I happened to see a brand new Tucson on the road the other day.
• 1:04:31
  I know this is not the kind of car we generally talk about on the
• 1:04:33
  show, but like conversation street on the grand tour, we want to talk
• 1:04:37
  about like the Dacia of the U.
• 1:04:39
  S.
• 1:04:39
  So we have the Hyundai Tucson.
• 1:04:41
  First, I thought it was a Mach E and I got super excited and then I
• 1:04:44
  realized actually the back is even more aggressive than the Mach E and I like it.
• 1:04:50
  I like those lights.
• 1:04:51
  I like those, you know, carved in three LEDs on each side.
• 1:04:54
  I thought it was really cool and I'm in traffic with it.
• 1:04:56
  I was in a different lane, so I pulled ahead.
• 1:04:58
  I got to see the front of it.
• 1:04:59
  I hadn't seen the side yet.
• 1:05:00
  So I saw the front of it and it has these really interesting LED pyramid lights.
• 1:05:04
  I'll be it's super expensive because it feels like it's like a 50 pieces
• 1:05:09
  of Lego that you got to put together.
• 1:05:10
  If you break one of them, the whole thing has to come apart,
• 1:05:13
  but it looked really cool.
• 1:05:14
  It was like, this is kind of futuristic, really kind of angular and whatnot.
• 1:05:18
  And then I saw the silhouette.
• 1:05:20
  And oh my God, who the hell designed this?
• 1:05:24
  Were they from the original Star Fox team from like the SNES days?
• 1:05:28
  Cause it is all polygons and like weird angles.
• 1:05:31
  Like it looks like it's already been in a digital accident on Forza.
• 1:05:35
  Like, I don't understand the design of this car.
• 1:05:39
  Like it makes.
• 1:05:40
  Was transposed
• 1:05:41
  into two dimensions and then brought back into the real world.
• 1:05:44
  Oh,
• 1:05:45
  somebody did like a pinch on their phone.
• 1:05:47
  Like when they were designing this, it makes no sense at all when you see it in
• 1:05:52
  profile, but from the front and from the back, you're like, that's pretty cool.
• 1:05:55
  But what really took it home for me, please somebody explain it to me.
• 1:05:59
  What's up with the new Kia logo.
• 1:06:02
  I've not seen it's this wacko kind of K and it looks like a backwards N
• 1:06:08
  and I thought it was like something from like Mass Effect where it's like
• 1:06:11
  N seven or you know, like, like that whole thing, like the Normandy, but
• 1:06:15
  instead they've redesigned their logo too, to go with this whole angular thing
• 1:06:19
  they have going on with the Tucson.
• 1:06:21
  And now I've seen it on the latest like version of the Telluride
• 1:06:24
  other models that they have.
• 1:06:25
  And I'm like.
• 1:06:27
  I just pulled up the pictures of the Nutella ride.
• 1:06:29
  Holy shit.
• 1:06:30
  That's polarizing.
• 1:06:32
  Um,
• 1:06:35
  I mean, you know, you got to give them credit since when
• 1:06:37
  did automakers get so edgy?
• 1:06:39
  It's like they're in a competition with each other.
• 1:06:41
  I'm going
• 1:06:42
  to make a grill bigger than you.
• 1:06:43
  I'm going to make a logo that looks like a throwing star weapon.
• 1:06:46
  Those Kia and Hyundai, like that Telluride, those Tucson's like, if
• 1:06:50
  you've got a three, four year old kid, you're picking up from your little
• 1:06:53
  preschool, man, you see a ton of those.
• 1:06:56
  And I've talked to some people, like they were selling those at MSRP a
• 1:07:01
  year or two ago before COVID before the chip shortage, where it was like.
• 1:07:06
  No, I'm saying before because chips, they were selling those
• 1:07:08
  cars at MSRP without discount.
• 1:07:11
  People were buying them like, like they were so popular in that parent crowd.
• 1:07:16
  People, they were all
• 1:07:16
  powered by 1.
• 1:07:17
  6 liter turbos copying after mini Cooper, which I didn't understand.
• 1:07:21
  We actually went and test drove one when we were shopping around.
• 1:07:23
  We were, when we got the Pacifica instead and.
• 1:07:26
  I was surprised how peppy it was for as big as the cars are, but I'm still
• 1:07:30
  like, I don't know, longevity of a high, strong four cylinder turbo in a vehicle
• 1:07:35
  that big, just, ah, no, thank you.
• 1:07:37
  I'll take my Torkums.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah.
• 1:07:40
  So I would clarify an earlier statement.
• 1:07:42
  You made it at the very beginning that there's nothing exciting coming
• 1:07:45
  out of Hyundai slash Kia, whatever.
• 1:07:48
  I don't think that's true.
• 1:07:48
  Besides the
• 1:07:49
  Stinger, of course,
• 1:07:50
  fine.
• 1:07:51
  But Hyundai, we talked about already a while ago, their electric vehicle.
• 1:07:55
  Brand ionique.
• 1:07:57
  They actually have some pretty cool cars in that lineup that are coming out.
• 1:08:00
  Well, when, when the press releases come out, we're going to talk about them
• 1:08:03
  because we want to address and talk more about JDMs and the Asian market as well.
• 1:08:08
  And the cars that they're developing.
• 1:08:09
  It's just, they got, they got to get your attention, right?
• 1:08:12
  Well, I mean,
• 1:08:12
  I mean, we have the Ioniq 5.
• 1:08:15
  We had a member have a sighting of one that was in camouflage, and
• 1:08:21
  we're pretty sure that's right.
• 1:08:22
  It was the Ioniq
• 1:08:23
  5.
• 1:08:24
  So, and it's on our Instagram, so you can go back and check it out.
• 1:08:27
  So that car is supposed to be coming into production here, here soon.
• 1:08:31
  We'll follow up on that.
• 1:08:32
  And obviously they did the Only EV, which we thought was really cool, that retro,
• 1:08:36
  uh, restomod that they, they put together.
• 1:08:38
  So we'll see what happens.
• 1:08:39
  And you're right.
• 1:08:40
  The stinger is pretty cool.
• 1:08:41
  I wish that car had a manual.
• 1:08:42
  I'd love to see a new Genesis come out like something different.
• 1:08:45
  That three eight Genesis, the last one they had, though, it was a bit bloaty.
• 1:08:49
  They were a lot of fun on track.
• 1:08:51
  I got to ride in one and I thought that was fantastic.
• 1:08:53
  And I mentioned on a previous episode, I got to coach in a Veloster N,
• 1:08:58
  which was one of the cars on my list.
• 1:08:59
  Oddly enough that I wanted to ride in and I wanted to coach
• 1:09:02
  in and I've said it before.
• 1:09:04
  It's the best GTI that was ever built in Korea.
• 1:09:06
  It's a fantastic car overall.
• 1:09:08
  So hats off to Hyundai.
• 1:09:10
  I just feel like they're the dark horse right now.
• 1:09:12
  A little bit understated.
• 1:09:14
  You know, we need something flashy.
• 1:09:15
  I just think it would be cool.
• 1:09:16
  Hyundai supercar, right?
• 1:09:16
  Or Hyundai super EV or something like that.
• 1:09:19
  Really kind of bust the news out and be at the front page and not just.
• 1:09:22
  I think we got to move on a little bit to Brad's favorite section, Lost
• 1:09:27
  and Found, which also encompasses all of our historical stuff.
• 1:09:31
  And I have to start this month off with just something that boggles my mind.
• 1:09:36
  And I've said this a million times, the people on Bring a Trailer, God bless
• 1:09:39
  all of you, you have lost your minds.
• 1:09:41
  And the proof I have,
• 1:09:44
  you're part of the problem
• 1:09:46
  to back that statement up is a mystic magenta metallic geo Metro convertible
• 1:09:53
  with 43, 000 miles selling for 4, 300.
• 1:09:57
  I wouldn't give you 43 bucks for that car.
• 1:10:00
  My budget is 50 for a geometric convertible.
• 1:10:02
  We still want one.
• 1:10:03
  So this I tell you is living proof.
• 1:10:06
  trailer is insane.
• 1:10:07
  And you know that somebody will end up bringing that to like
• 1:10:11
  trump car lemons or something
• 1:10:13
  being like, no, no, it was cheap.
• 1:10:14
  I swear.
• 1:10:14
  I swear.
• 1:10:16
  Well, horrible.
• 1:10:19
  We are still trying to find one in that color.
• 1:10:22
  For a really good price as a gift for one of our members who is dying to get one.
• 1:10:26
  But when I saw that come up, I was like, ah, I've got a bid on it.
• 1:10:30
  No, no, no.
• 1:10:31
  I'm not going into this insanity.
• 1:10:33
  You went all the way up to 44, but then, then you got 52
• 1:10:37
  was as far as I was going on the reserve.
• 1:10:40
  That was it.
• 1:10:41
  In addition to that, a car that we have to add to our ugly cars list.
• 1:10:45
  This one I didn't know about came across my desk from I believe garage ride or
• 1:10:49
  drive tribe or one of those this month, America took a stab at the multiple.
• 1:10:56
  That's a Fiat, by the way, one of the ugliest Fiat's ever built one of the
• 1:10:59
  ugliest cars of all time, like top five ugly cars with the Saturn CV one.
• 1:11:05
  Now I'm sure you guys looked at this article.
• 1:11:08
  And there's something I really want to hone in on, but I want to get
• 1:11:10
  your gut reactions on this first.
• 1:11:12
  Uh, it looks like something that they would have put in
• 1:11:15
  a future movie in the 90s.
• 1:11:18
  Like what was the one where Sylvester Stallone, they brought
• 1:11:20
  him back to fight Wesley Snipes.
• 1:11:23
  Demolition Man.
• 1:11:24
  Yes, this is what they would drive in Demolition Man.
• 1:11:27
  Right here.
• 1:11:27
  This is, this is it.
• 1:11:28
  Everybody was driving around in one of them.
• 1:11:30
  No airbags, all foam.
• 1:11:32
  Exactly.
• 1:11:33
  Uh, is vomiting still on the table?
• 1:11:37
  Looks like somebody already vomited on it.
• 1:11:39
  The
• 1:11:39
  color is atrocious.
• 1:11:41
  I mean, that's the one thing about cars.
• 1:11:42
  Colors make a big difference, especially if you're trying to
• 1:11:45
  introduce something radically different.
• 1:11:48
  I mean, stick with a Navy blue or black or gray, you know, something a
• 1:11:51
  little dude or go, go straight, go red.
• 1:11:54
  Right.
• 1:11:55
  Go copper, obviously, but not puke or clean corn.
• 1:12:00
  Marigold.
• 1:12:01
  This is Saturn through and through.
• 1:12:03
  Isn't it, though?
• 1:12:04
  I'm liking the under hood, though.
• 1:12:06
  That's what got me.
• 1:12:07
  What are all these knobs?
• 1:12:08
  Is this like the Fisher Price Playmobil?
• 1:12:10
  Like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
• 1:12:12
  And it's going to do, like, lights and sounds?
• 1:12:15
  It's the cozy coop.
• 1:12:16
  Your three year old can work on this thing.
• 1:12:19
  It is absolutely nutty.
• 1:12:21
  Like I've never seen an engine compartment so clean.
• 1:12:24
  Even show cars aren't as clean as this.
• 1:12:27
  But yes, with all these colors and knobs, I was like, how do you work on this?
• 1:12:31
  And how long does it take to get to the actual motor?
• 1:12:35
  Are these like fluids?
• 1:12:37
  Like, is that what needs to be like six?
• 1:12:39
  Knobs are on the side, like I get the one on the other.
• 1:12:41
  On the left is a battery negative and positive sign, but what
• 1:12:44
  the hell?
• 1:12:45
  I have no idea.
• 1:12:45
  The hell is the rest of this . You know what?
• 1:12:48
  We're gonna leave that.
• 1:12:49
  It
• 1:12:49
  looks like, it looks like the Fisher Price car.
• 1:12:50
  We definitely have to leave this up to the audience's imagination and their comments.
• 1:12:55
  So let us know what you think about the CV one and where it
• 1:12:59
  ranks on our ugly car list.
• 1:13:01
  A couple other pieces of historical news.
• 1:13:03
  This is what's mind blowing about this particular barn.
• 1:13:05
  Find it's 175 cars.
• 1:13:08
  And it was found in London.
• 1:13:10
  Now, Mark, you've been to London many times.
• 1:13:13
  What about
• 1:13:14
  this doesn't compute?
• 1:13:15
  I
• 1:13:15
  never saw a barn.
• 1:13:18
  I can't recall a barn.
• 1:13:20
  You know, I could think maybe if it was like an abandoned disused church,
• 1:13:25
  like a lot of time, the, you know, church infrastructure falls into disuse.
• 1:13:28
  You could park 175 cars and more of those.
• 1:13:30
  No, no barns, no barns that I can recall.
• 1:13:32
  Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  And my second question was, where are you going to hide?
• 1:13:35
  75 cars in London, that's not in a parking garage
• 1:13:38
  or one of the old warehouses.
• 1:13:39
  I mean, there's so much, just like every city, so much gentrification as they
• 1:13:43
  turn the old warehouse districts into the coolest place to live or eat or whatever.
• 1:13:48
  As soon as they get the asbestos out of there, I would imagine
• 1:13:51
  it was probably some warehouse.
• 1:13:52
  I mean, if you look at the video, there's some really cool cars in there.
• 1:13:54
  It's a mixture of, you know, classic British stuff, MGs, minis, Fiat's
• 1:13:58
  there's beetles in their type two buses.
• 1:14:00
  There's some actual like W one 23 Mercedes station wagons, stuff like that.
• 1:14:05
  I mean, it's an interesting assortment.
• 1:14:07
  I wouldn't say they're really classics or anything of super high value, unless, you
• 1:14:13
  know, maybe there's a Cooper works, maybe in there with low mileage or, you know,
• 1:14:16
  a really early beetle or something like that, I just was kind of perplexed when I
• 1:14:20
  heard 175 cars basically hidden in London, I was like, how the hell do you do that?
• 1:14:24
  Not so hidden.
• 1:14:26
  And a large collection of vehicles as our friends up British Columbia,
• 1:14:31
  up on the transatlantic highway, the boys from rust valley restorers.
• 1:14:34
  I don't know what's going on because as we pushed on our Instagram a while
• 1:14:38
  back, season three was supposed to hit.
• 1:14:41
  And every time I look on Amazon, and I look on Netflix, and I look
• 1:14:44
  in other places, we can't get it.
• 1:14:46
  History Channel's not covering it.
• 1:14:47
  I know it was produced by History Channel in Canada.
• 1:14:50
  We seem to always get the previous seasons a little bit
• 1:14:53
  late, and I was okay with that.
• 1:14:54
  I've been following the show for a while, and I really do enjoy it.
• 1:14:57
  There's this article that came across my desk that they're
• 1:15:00
  going to be auctioning off.
• 1:15:02
  All the cars on the property and they actually tried to sell all the
• 1:15:05
  cars and the property in one go.
• 1:15:08
  And I'm like, well, that's really interesting.
• 1:15:10
  And it says deeper in the article that this auction is going to happen
• 1:15:14
  during season four of the show.
• 1:15:16
  So I'm like, wait, what?
• 1:15:18
  Excuse me.
• 1:15:19
  So I'm a little confused on how this is working.
• 1:15:21
  I want to see what happened in season three.
• 1:15:22
  At this point, it was supposed to be picked up by Amazon, uh, transferring
• 1:15:26
  over from Netflix, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:15:27
  So I'm a little disappointed again, one of my top five restoration shows.
• 1:15:31
  I feel really bad if this is a result of like COVID or something like that, where
• 1:15:36
  maybe they've, they've really had to thin the herd, you know, things like that.
• 1:15:39
  I really thought the premise of this show was raw and it was very genuine.
• 1:15:44
  I mean, a little bit produced, but I liked it.
• 1:15:46
  It was different than everything else.
• 1:15:47
  It was different than counting cars and all these other things on TV
• 1:15:50
  because chips
• 1:15:52
  on all these cars from the sixties.
• 1:15:58
  I haven't checked out the show, but your impassioned pitch for
• 1:16:03
  the show tells me that I have a couple of seasons to check out.
• 1:16:06
  It sounds pretty cool.
• 1:16:07
  I mean, is it worth going up there to try and participate in the auction?
• 1:16:10
  Actually done online.
• 1:16:11
  And then they are talking about international bidders.
• 1:16:14
  There's no reserve on any of the cars and its highest bidder takes
• 1:16:17
  whatever vehicle they're bidding on.
• 1:16:19
  And I'm like, That's pretty cool.
• 1:16:20
  Now, granted of those cars, it's going to be all the one and what
• 1:16:24
  they call the field of dreams.
• 1:16:25
  So these are all project cars and they go up and down the
• 1:16:28
  project field all the time.
• 1:16:29
  There's some really cool stuff out there.
• 1:16:31
  They did an episode where they restored an Alpine sunbeam and they
• 1:16:34
  did a Ford Capri V six swap on it.
• 1:16:36
  Stuff like that.
• 1:16:37
  There's some really neat vehicles out there that could turn into
• 1:16:40
  something else that's really cool.
• 1:16:42
  If you're into restoration and Resto mods.
• 1:16:44
  A lot of muscle cars, a lot of Canadian versions of popular American
• 1:16:49
  muscle cars, and I highlight some of those in the articles when I
• 1:16:52
  reviewed the previous seasons.
• 1:16:54
  So if you haven't checked out Rust Valley Restorers, I highly recommend it.
• 1:16:57
  I recommend it to you, Mark, as well, if you've got some extra cycles to burn.
• 1:17:00
  And I know Tanya's watched the show as well.
• 1:17:02
  Yes, I very much enjoyed it.
• 1:17:04
  And in an effort to help them as a plug, you can visit their
• 1:17:08
  website at rust bros, rustos.
• 1:17:11
  com.
• 1:17:11
  And you can actually see a lot of the cars that they have for sale.
• 1:17:14
  Currently right now, they've got photographs of a bunch of them,
• 1:17:17
  but not photographs of all of them because they have a lot of cars
• 1:17:20
  there.
• 1:17:21
  You have it switching to other historical stuff, something I thought was kind
• 1:17:24
  of fun, five obsolete features.
• 1:17:28
  In vehicles and the last cars to have them.
• 1:17:31
  So I'm going to run through these real quick, just for our listeners.
• 1:17:33
  And if you're watching the behind the scenes video of the episode, you get to
• 1:17:36
  see Tanya and Mark's reaction to this.
• 1:17:38
  Did you know, do you know what the last car was to have a cassette player?
• 1:17:43
  My car?
• 1:17:45
  Yeah.
• 1:17:45
  Right.
• 1:17:46
  Well, it would have to be a car after 2005.
• 1:17:50
  Yes.
• 1:17:50
  Because your car is a 2005 and it has a cassette player.
• 1:17:54
  All right.
• 1:17:54
  I'm not going to make you guys guess.
• 1:17:56
  2010 Lexus SC430 still came with the cassette player.
• 1:18:01
  It's the last car to have one.
• 1:18:04
  That's pretty bold.
• 1:18:05
  I would not
• 1:18:05
  have said
• 1:18:05
  Lexus.
• 1:18:06
  Except as an SC430, maybe the ugliest car ever made.
• 1:18:10
  I mean, it's on our list.
• 1:18:12
  That's for sure.
• 1:18:14
  You know, we need to put that list on our website.
• 1:18:16
  Like the people could just go to, and we need to change it.
• 1:18:18
  Like the leaderboard.
• 1:18:19
  Do your own version of a cool wall.
• 1:18:21
  You
• 1:18:21
  know, yeah, we're, I think we're going to do that.
• 1:18:23
  We can make that happen.
• 1:18:24
  All right.
• 1:18:24
  Last car to have pop up headlights.
• 1:18:27
  It's actually a tie.
• 1:18:27
  Pop up headlights.
• 1:18:29
  Cause you know, pop up headlights are legit.
• 1:18:31
  Cool.
• 1:18:31
  Right.
• 1:18:32
  Remember when they were,
• 1:18:33
  I can't think of anything right now.
• 1:18:35
  My head is just like Miata, Miata, Miata.
• 1:18:37
  So what was that for the C5 that still had pop up headlines?
• 1:18:40
  Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
• 1:18:41
  It is the C5 Corvette.
• 1:18:43
  That is the last car to have pop up headlights outside of the Lotus Esprit.
• 1:18:47
  I feel like it was too obvious.
• 1:18:49
  2000, 2004 was the last one.
• 1:18:51
  All right.
• 1:18:52
  The last vehicle to have a carburetor,
• 1:18:54
  car,
• 1:18:55
  truck, help me out.
• 1:18:56
  Doesn't matter all the above.
• 1:18:58
  This one's a tough one.
• 1:18:58
  Cause you're really reaching back.
• 1:19:00
  Carburetors are pretty paleozoic at this point.
• 1:19:03
  I mean, the late 1970s,
• 1:19:06
  the five liter Mustang had a carburetor until like 86 or 85 where they
• 1:19:10
  finally went into fuel injection.
• 1:19:12
  So you're looking, what would have had a carburetor after that?
• 1:19:16
  All right.
• 1:19:16
  You ready?
• 1:19:17
  Yeah,
• 1:19:18
  Chevy square body.
• 1:19:18
  Well, those still got, those still got carburetors.
• 1:19:22
  Everybody converts them back to carburetors actually from the factory with
• 1:19:26
  a carburetor, the 1994 is Zuzu pickup.
• 1:19:30
  Ah, I knew it was going to be something like that.
• 1:19:32
  Damn it.
• 1:19:32
  All right.
• 1:19:33
  Tanya is going to love this next one.
• 1:19:35
  The last car to have a front bench seat.
• 1:19:39
  This is one of her favorite cars.
• 1:19:41
  It's going to be a Buick.
• 1:19:42
  It's going to be a Buick.
• 1:19:45
  No, no, the real question, I've never said, I've never said that about a Buick.
• 1:19:50
  No, the real question is, if by favorite cars, he means cars that I hate.
• 1:19:56
  Yes, a hundred percent.
• 1:19:57
  Because if it's cars that I hate, then it's got to be either an Impala.
• 1:20:03
  Or or a
• 1:20:04
  Malibu,
• 1:20:06
  but you're basically the
• 1:20:07
  same car.
• 1:20:09
  So I'm at a loss right now.
• 1:20:12
  And get this.
• 1:20:12
  This is pretty recent.
• 1:20:13
  It is.
• 1:20:13
  In
• 1:20:14
  fact,
• 1:20:14
  the 2013 Chevrolet Impala was the last vehicle to have a front bench seat.
• 1:20:21
  Rental turds of rental turds.
• 1:20:23
  I've
• 1:20:23
  driven that
• 1:20:24
  turd, I think.
• 1:20:26
  All right.
• 1:20:26
  Now for the bonus, the bonus.
• 1:20:28
  This is a tough one.
• 1:20:29
  The bonus.
• 1:20:30
  The last car to be produced.
• 1:20:33
  I can't even get this out.
• 1:20:35
  The last car to be produced with a hand crank start.
• 1:20:39
  We know the Landy had one.
• 1:20:42
  That's true.
• 1:20:42
  That was in the seventies though.
• 1:20:44
  And Matt reminds us constantly of the ultimate party trick is
• 1:20:46
  hand starting his Land Rover.
• 1:20:47
  This is a tough one.
• 1:20:48
  I can't, I can't think of anything after the 70s that would have, I
• 1:20:52
  mean, it's probably, it's probably some, for a practical reason,
• 1:20:55
  some kind of work vehicle where they maybe they wanted to have.
• 1:20:58
  You know,
• 1:20:58
  I, I would consider this a work vehicle.
• 1:21:00
  It's very utilitarian.
• 1:21:02
  I would almost say it's an SUV.
• 1:21:04
  I'll give Mark a hint because I've
• 1:21:06
  looked ahead because I had no idea.
• 1:21:07
  I was good.
• 1:21:08
  I didn't, I didn't.
• 1:21:09
  Think outside the country,
• 1:21:12
  outside the country,
• 1:21:13
  outside our country.
• 1:21:16
  That's why this was the bonus question.
• 1:21:17
  You're going to give me a global challenge.
• 1:21:19
  Oh, it's hard.
• 1:21:22
  Like a Toyota Helix or something,
• 1:21:24
  you know, that's the right kind of body style, but I won't, I won't torture
• 1:21:27
  you anymore because even our, even our listeners are probably going,
• 1:21:29
  Oh my God, get it over with already from the Russian block, the 1998.
• 1:21:35
  Lada Niva still had a crank start.
• 1:21:39
  Can you believe that?
• 1:21:39
  Of course a Lada.
• 1:21:40
  Of course a Lada had a crank
• 1:21:42
  start.
• 1:21:43
  Because Lada.
• 1:21:43
  That's cheating.
• 1:21:44
  You can't say
• 1:21:44
  communist cars.
• 1:21:46
  Because chips.
• 1:21:47
  That car does not need chips.
• 1:21:49
  It just has a crank start.
• 1:21:50
  Yeah, there's
• 1:21:51
  no There's no chips.
• 1:21:53
  Oddly enough.
• 1:21:53
  It runs
• 1:21:53
  on chips.
• 1:21:54
  It's got a crank start but has fuel injection.
• 1:21:56
  So like wrap your head around that one for a second.
• 1:22:00
  In other historical news, I just gotta read this.
• 1:22:04
  We don't even need to dive into it.
• 1:22:06
  Apparently, We have finally stopped using leaded fuel.
• 1:22:10
  Yes.
• 1:22:11
  Let me repeat that.
• 1:22:11
  We have finally stopped using leaded fuel.
• 1:22:14
  Algeria has used up their last bit of stockpile in 2021.
• 1:22:19
  I posted this and talked about it with some of our petrol heads here
• 1:22:23
  at GTM and they were laughing saying that according to some SCCA racers,
• 1:22:28
  Summit Point has about 5, 000 gallons of leaded 110 octane underground.
• 1:22:33
  That's still available for you.
• 1:22:35
  So maybe we're not quite done with leaded fuel yet, but I just
• 1:22:39
  wanted to throw that out there.
• 1:22:40
  That's just, what were they putting it in?
• 1:22:42
  Like,
• 1:22:42
  I don't know what runs on leaded fuel anymore.
• 1:22:45
  I mean, who shows up to the track with like a Hudson Hornet?
• 1:22:47
  You know, I don't know.
• 1:22:48
  I don't know.
• 1:22:48
  I don't get it at any rate.
• 1:22:50
  So switching gears, we don't talk about Swedish cars very often.
• 1:22:53
  No, we do not.
• 1:22:55
  However, who knew, although now is not the right time to be going there, but
• 1:23:00
  maybe in like 10 years, if you find yourself in Sturgis, South Dakota,
• 1:23:04
  among having bike rallies and whatnot, there is apparently a Saab heritage car
• 1:23:11
  museum that has an extensive collection of immaculately kept classic Saabs.
• 1:23:17
  And one Fiat.
• 1:23:18
  And apparently one Fiat.
• 1:23:20
  So I looked through these pictures.
• 1:23:22
  This is really cool.
• 1:23:23
  I also feel like the pictures did the museum a disservice because now
• 1:23:27
  I don't need to go there because I've kind of seen everything.
• 1:23:30
  But I also have a bigger question that needs to be answered.
• 1:23:34
  If this is a Saab museum, which I'm totally okay with, I mean,
• 1:23:37
  everybody's got their thing.
• 1:23:38
  Where are the jets?
• 1:23:41
  Well, they were born from jets.
• 1:23:43
  What does that mean, exactly?
• 1:23:46
  It's a sub car museum.
• 1:23:48
  Oh, okay, okay.
• 1:23:50
  Now we're gonna qualify it.
• 1:23:52
  Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  I mean, I'm just, like, South Dakota of all places, but hey.
• 1:23:57
  Swedish migrants, I guess, in that area?
• 1:24:00
  I don't know.
• 1:24:01
  An enthusiast.
• 1:24:03
  There was an enthusiast and he collected all these cars.
• 1:24:06
  Apparently they all run.
• 1:24:07
  It's a very large assortment.
• 1:24:08
  I'm sure the two stroke ones are very difficult to get
• 1:24:10
  started up there when it's cold.
• 1:24:12
  I looked at all the pictures and some of them definitely rank
• 1:24:16
  on my ugly car list for sure.
• 1:24:17
  Or, or the uncool wall, let's call it that.
• 1:24:20
  I'm proud of people that do stuff like this.
• 1:24:22
  I mean, go for it.
• 1:24:23
  I mean, do your passion and if you can get them for pennies on the dollar, so be it.
• 1:24:27
  And I'm, I'm happy that they all run and I'm, hopefully they're being driven.
• 1:24:30
  The Fiat still confuses me, although I still think that's the
• 1:24:33
  prettiest car in that whole museum.
• 1:24:35
  I'm the same way.
• 1:24:35
  I feel like particularly in this time of change with electric.
• 1:24:40
  And I feel like when we were younger, you know, growing up
• 1:24:43
  in the nineties or whatever, it was more like a music culture.
• 1:24:45
  Like if you liked this car, then you didn't like that car.
• 1:24:48
  I feel like a more broadly inclusive automotive enthusiast culture is kind
• 1:24:52
  of what we need if we want this hobby to survive, so yeah, man, you do.
• 1:24:57
  You very proud of that guy.
• 1:25:01
  Speaking of incredible feats and being proud of something, what
• 1:25:04
  about a world record holding Volvo?
• 1:25:07
  And what do I mean by that?
• 1:25:08
  Gentleman by the name of Gordon, who has long passed away, his
• 1:25:11
  Volvo continues to live on.
• 1:25:12
  I think we talked about this car on a previous episode.
• 1:25:15
  The odometer has now turned over 3 million.
• 1:25:19
  Miles.
• 1:25:20
  It is a P 1800 as seen in the original saint.
• 1:25:23
  Uh, for those of you that are old enough to remember that show,
• 1:25:26
  not the movie with Val Kilmer.
• 1:25:27
  I think this is epic.
• 1:25:28
  This is really cool to see a piece of European engineering still on the road,
• 1:25:33
  you know, 65 years later, let's call it.
• 1:25:36
  And with that many miles on the clock, still being enjoyed, still
• 1:25:39
  being driven, being maintained.
• 1:25:40
  And I think what it is above all, outside of being record breaking,
• 1:25:44
  whatnot is a testament to Maintenance.
• 1:25:47
  If you do your regular maintenance intervals, you keep track of things
• 1:25:51
  and you don't let cars sit, then they will literally run forever.
• 1:25:55
  It says that it has the original engine intact at 3 million miles.
• 1:26:00
  Caveat, it did have two engine rebuilds across 3 million miles and two paint jobs.
• 1:26:05
  Otherwise, the car is original.
• 1:26:07
  Can you imagine?
• 1:26:07
  You know, there's that
• 1:26:08
  Greek, I don't know what you want to call it, legend story, the ship of Theseus.
• 1:26:13
  Yes, Volvo is definitely the ship is definitely the ship of these years.
• 1:26:18
  There ever was one.
• 1:26:19
  Everything has been replaced by maybe not everything.
• 1:26:22
  The enemy in that situation has to be rust,
• 1:26:25
  right?
• 1:26:26
  Like you can fix things that break.
• 1:26:28
  Fine, but like preventing the car from completely falling apart, that has to
• 1:26:33
  take a lot of consistent diligence in regards to how the car is maintained.
• 1:26:37
  It reminds me of cars that I've seen get sold by people or be abandoned by
• 1:26:43
  people where it's like, I didn't want to put the money in it to keep it going.
• 1:26:46
  And it was something dumb, like, Oh, I needed to change the lock cylinder.
• 1:26:50
  I need to change the spark plugs.
• 1:26:51
  And I just decided I'm going to go buy a new car.
• 1:26:53
  And I feel for those cars.
• 1:26:55
  Maybe I'm, I'm in passion for these.
• 1:26:57
  inanimate objects, right?
• 1:26:58
  I, I, I personify them in some way.
• 1:27:01
  It's just like, if you do that little bit of maintenance, you put up that
• 1:27:04
  little bit of money up front, how many more miles could you have gone?
• 1:27:07
  How, how much longer could you have stretched your dollar?
• 1:27:10
  This Volvo owes Gordon, even though he's passed away, it
• 1:27:13
  owes him nothing at this point.
• 1:27:15
  I mean, can you imagine buying this car new in the 1960s and
• 1:27:19
  it's still on the road today?
• 1:27:20
  Day
• 1:27:21
  for $4,150 was the sticker price.
• 1:27:27
  Convert that to today's dollars.
• 1:27:28
  That was a 1966 doesn't, that was a fair chunk of change.
• 1:27:32
  It doesn't matter.
• 1:27:34
  It went over 3 million miles.
• 1:27:36
  I don't care if it was a 20 grand car.
• 1:27:38
  I mean that like holy moly.
• 1:27:40
  And it's probably worth more than what's been sunk into it now, because it's
• 1:27:44
  still a running driving P1800, which they didn't make a ton of those cars.
• 1:27:49
  Anyway, that was the sporty two door Volvo sports coupe, beautiful car.
• 1:27:54
  I really liked those.
• 1:27:55
  I I'd love to drive one.
• 1:27:56
  If somebody's got that one out there, I'd love to get the behind the wheel
• 1:27:59
  of yet another one of my heroes and be completely disappointed.
• 1:28:03
  But that's not the point.
• 1:28:04
  It's just, it's a testament to doing the maintenance, putting in just a little
• 1:28:08
  bit of effort and taking care of cars.
• 1:28:10
  And not abusing them.
• 1:28:12
  They're not appliances.
• 1:28:13
  They'll they'll last you forever.
• 1:28:15
  Yeah.
• 1:28:15
  That's 40, 000 in current value.
• 1:28:18
  I just jumped on the, uh, CPI inflation calculator.
• 1:28:22
  That's not bad.
• 1:28:23
  3 million miles for 40 grand in 1966,
• 1:28:26
  Mark, we got to wrap up this because chips
• 1:28:29
  because chips, sure.
• 1:28:30
  Let's EVs.
• 1:28:32
  So I don't know, maybe not.
• 1:28:34
  I guess technically it happened at the end of August, but when
• 1:28:36
  I was kind of going through the.
• 1:28:37
  The topic list, I thought it was worth mentioning TSMC, which is the world's
• 1:28:42
  probably largest Silicon foundry.
• 1:28:44
  They announced a price increase of 20 percent and it just goes to show kind
• 1:28:49
  of the longevity of this challenge, your more profitable devices, the
• 1:28:54
  more profitable uses of that Silicon are going to absorb that 20%.
• 1:29:00
  And keep on chugging, right?
• 1:29:01
  Your iPhones, your consumer graphics cards, you know, you're like, whatever,
• 1:29:06
  those kinds of things that have, you know, your higher retail margins, where
• 1:29:10
  in the automobile world, where they're trying to buy in bulk, they're trying
• 1:29:13
  to buy a discount, they're trying, you know, they operate a much lower margins.
• 1:29:16
  It just puts them at the back of the line.
• 1:29:18
  They don't have the space.
• 1:29:19
  To so easily absorb that kind of price increase.
• 1:29:23
  And, and it does cause some broader concerns around the transitory nature
• 1:29:28
  of the inflation that we've been going through for the last several months.
• 1:29:31
  But just thought it was worth noting.
• 1:29:32
  It's certainly newsworthy.
• 1:29:34
  It's out there.
• 1:29:34
  I mean, there's lots of other kind of, if you want to look at the topic
• 1:29:37
  a little more broadly, there is certainly look at government investment
• 1:29:41
  in regards to opening some of these foundries in the United States.
• 1:29:44
  It's billions and billions of investment.
• 1:29:46
  There's certainly been a push in the COVID area to get our supply chain a
• 1:29:51
  little more consolidated and to move some of these foundries back into the
• 1:29:54
  United States, now that they're all mostly automated anyway, the labor costs
• 1:29:57
  and things that originally moved them over there aren't as big of a deal.
• 1:30:01
  It's certainly is going to impact the auto industry.
• 1:30:03
  Yeah.
• 1:30:04
  And you bring up a really good point.
• 1:30:05
  And it's also why we heard during this month that the iPhone 13 is finally
• 1:30:09
  debuting and yet there's oceans of F 150s and Silverados that are sitting
• 1:30:15
  unfinished because they can't get chips.
• 1:30:17
  So you're right.
• 1:30:18
  They're going to prioritize the profit margins before they prioritize,
• 1:30:21
  you know, sometimes the need.
• 1:30:22
  That's a little different.
• 1:30:23
  Like Apple was really smart in consolidating their supply chain.
• 1:30:28
  Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs.
• 1:30:29
  He's not a product guy, but he is a supply chain guy.
• 1:30:32
  And so, you know, they did the acquisitions they needed to do.
• 1:30:36
  And as they moved into ARM, they make all their own chips.
• 1:30:38
  They're not licensing anything from Qualcomm or whatever, like everybody else.
• 1:30:42
  And they're even getting into, you know, their own radios and stuff now.
• 1:30:45
  So their consolidated supply chain has really insulated them from
• 1:30:49
  that more broadly and the high margins of their devices, obviously.
• 1:30:52
  That's actually a great segue into our EV section, where Tanya is
• 1:30:55
  going to run us through some new concepts and some upcoming news
• 1:30:59
  on all the EVs that are coming out here in the next couple of years.
• 1:31:01
  So I think we've talked on and off about Rivian, if everyone recalls,
• 1:31:05
  uh, that EV automaker deposit on
• 1:31:09
  one of those years ago, did you,
• 1:31:12
  well, you're in luck because they finally rolled off their first
• 1:31:17
  production vehicle, first customer sale.
• 1:31:20
  And that puts them at the first electric pickup truck, um, it's unclear, you
• 1:31:27
  know, how many sales orders they actually have fulfilled and how many
• 1:31:31
  more they're going to make because chips, but nonetheless, they can claim
• 1:31:36
  that they are the first ones to roll.
• 1:31:39
  An electric pickup truck off the line, and I've always liked the look of the Rivian.
• 1:31:43
  I'm not a pickup truck person.
• 1:31:45
  Most people know that.
• 1:31:46
  Does not fit my hashtag, the lifestyle because it maintains a
• 1:31:51
  pickup truck look, and it's a little bit futuristic, but not overly.
• 1:31:56
  I don't mind it.
• 1:31:57
  It's got that EV vibe.
• 1:31:59
  Unlike the goldeneye and 64 cyber truck polygon polygon.
• 1:32:05
  When did you get the Goldeneye?
• 1:32:06
  That's amazing.
• 1:32:07
  Star Fox.
• 1:32:09
  Oh, you, you haven't seen that meme or that clip where someone
• 1:32:12
  actually created one inside of a Goldeneye, uh, or whatever.
• 1:32:17
  That's awesome.
• 1:32:19
  And it fits in perfectly as if it was designed to be there.
• 1:32:23
  Design
• 1:32:23
  this car.
• 1:32:24
  You have 12 triangles.
• 1:32:26
  Go, it's like, it's like an interview question that then
• 1:32:30
  somebody was like, that's genius.
• 1:32:32
  Let's let's actually build it.
• 1:32:33
  And you're like, no, no, this is just one of those brain teasers.
• 1:32:35
  We use it in interviews.
• 1:32:36
  No, no, no.
• 1:32:37
  We're doing it
• 1:32:38
  like animals, like make a lion out of three pieces of triangle
• 1:32:41
  and two squares kind of thing.
• 1:32:43
  And you're exactly right.
• 1:32:44
  That's how they designed the cyber truck.
• 1:32:45
  So anyway, I mean, that's the news with Rivian.
• 1:32:47
  So it'll be interesting to see kind of where their sales go and.
• 1:32:51
  And how the company bottom line gets affected by this in other
• 1:32:55
  news, speaking of Ruby and which I just came across this evening.
• 1:32:59
  So their plant is in normal Illinois where this rolled out, but I guess they also
• 1:33:04
  have some offices because I think their headquarters are actually in California,
• 1:33:07
  but there was somebody company employee test driving one in camo gear and whatnot.
• 1:33:14
  The incident is being reported as driver error.
• 1:33:18
  Oh man.
• 1:33:19
  And honestly, hopefully, because that's a bad look for them, as they just roll off
• 1:33:25
  their first production vehicles to have one be in an accident if there was any
• 1:33:28
  sort of, you know, self anything going on.
• 1:33:32
  But nonetheless, from the pictures and whatnot.
• 1:33:34
  The person was driving, maybe you would have needed to negotiate kind
• 1:33:37
  of a right hander, 90 degree ish turn, miss the turn and kind of kept going
• 1:33:42
  straight up the curb, up the grassy hill, through bushes into a parking lot.
• 1:33:50
  I call that understeer normally.
• 1:33:52
  At least it's got some torque, you know,
• 1:33:54
  all
• 1:33:55
  the obstacles.
• 1:33:57
  And then slammed into a parked Ford Explorer.
• 1:34:01
  At least the Ford could stop it.
• 1:34:03
  Which
• 1:34:04
  then the Ford Explorer hit a parked Mercedes that was next to it.
• 1:34:11
  Did the battery
• 1:34:12
  then burst into flame?
• 1:34:14
  There was no injuries, there was no flames.
• 1:34:17
  Actually, there was very little damage to the Rivian.
• 1:34:20
  There was significant, seemingly, damage to the Port Explorer.
• 1:34:24
  So I'm not sure, in terms of safety, what that's saying,
• 1:34:28
  good or bad, about the Rivian.
• 1:34:31
  Maybe it weighs
• 1:34:31
  9, 000 pounds, like some of those other trucks we talked about.
• 1:34:35
  I mean, it's likely because a lot of EVs are just ridiculous in weight, but
• 1:34:41
  nonetheless, it's very unfortunate to hear that they've had their first accident.
• 1:34:44
  That
• 1:34:45
  sucks.
• 1:34:46
  Sorry guys.
• 1:34:47
  It's like the
• 1:34:47
  guys that bought the Hellcats and they wrecked them 10 feet from the dealership.
• 1:34:51
  I mean, this is like right on par.
• 1:34:52
  I
• 1:34:53
  mean, it really sounds like it.
• 1:34:55
  And if it was driver error, I could totally see, you know, this thing is
• 1:34:58
  capable of, you know, zero to 60 in less than whatever seconds that Someone
• 1:35:03
  just got buck wild behind the wheel and essentially lost control, which also isn't
• 1:35:07
  a good look for the consumer that that's a problem with all the EVs too much power.
• 1:35:13
  We saw that report in Europe where that Tikon or something, where
• 1:35:17
  he launched it up the driveway.
• 1:35:20
  Like that was pretty bad.
• 1:35:22
  His own house with this car is
• 1:35:24
  brilliant.
• 1:35:25
  Something like that.
• 1:35:26
  You don't have the same sensation of speed.
• 1:35:29
  It's a legit problem.
• 1:35:31
  They're super powerful and you don't have the same sensation of speed.
• 1:35:34
  I think the
• 1:35:35
  problem is, is because the torque is instantaneous rather than in a
• 1:35:40
  petrol engine where you build up and you can feel it, you know, where the
• 1:35:43
  torque curve is coming on, you know, at what RPM it's going to unload and
• 1:35:46
  all that with it, with the EV, it's like, it's, it's a light switch.
• 1:35:49
  It's all or nothing moving on to Tesla's number one rival.
• 1:35:53
  Yes.
• 1:35:53
  The Tesla fighter, if we will.
• 1:35:55
  So lucid air, apparently there's some articles that are saying that
• 1:35:59
  it is basically phenomenal to drive.
• 1:36:02
  I don't know, but the more impressive piece that has more recently come out is
• 1:36:08
  that the EPA has given the lucid air dream a 520 mile range at over a hundred miles
• 1:36:18
  over the model S whatever their best.
• 1:36:21
  Tesla version is so holy moly.
• 1:36:25
  That's pretty impressive.
• 1:36:26
  And this thing weighs like just over 5, 000 pounds.
• 1:36:29
  Again, not a light vehicle by any stretch of the imagination.
• 1:36:33
  Do you
• 1:36:33
  think we'd get more mileage if they made these things a little bit later?
• 1:36:37
  I
• 1:36:37
  mean, that's a rhetorical question, right?
• 1:36:39
  This thing has apparently 1100.
• 1:36:42
  Some odd horsepower.
• 1:36:43
  So, I mean, how heavy are the batteries required to make a thousand horsepower
• 1:36:49
  at 520 mile range or whatever, right.
• 1:36:52
  Or, you know, maybe, uh, at that horsepower, I think the range actually
• 1:36:56
  falls to like four 70 something, but nonetheless, that still would
• 1:37:00
  be the highest range EV period.
• 1:37:04
  And, and that's quite impressive.
• 1:37:05
  I mean, and who isn't going to be like, Oh, you want me to sacrifice
• 1:37:09
  50 miles for a thousand horsepower.
• 1:37:11
  Okay.
• 1:37:12
  And it still has 966 horsepower.
• 1:37:15
  If you want the full five 20, that's pretty decent.
• 1:37:18
  Last I checked nine 66.
• 1:37:20
  I mean,
• 1:37:20
  I mean, that's ridiculous.
• 1:37:22
  I mean, that's who needs that.
• 1:37:24
  I mean, I
• 1:37:25
  do need, what is this need?
• 1:37:27
  Hey, what do you speak up?
• 1:37:29
  It's the want.
• 1:37:30
  The want is strong for the thousand horsepower.
• 1:37:32
  So, I mean, that's pretty cool.
• 1:37:34
  I believe it's the 2022, so it should be Coming out soon.
• 1:37:38
  Coming around the corner pretty soon.
• 1:37:41
  So it'll be, it'll be interesting to see.
• 1:37:43
  I thought if I recalled the history here One of the main guys at Lucid
• 1:37:48
  was a former Tesla person, I believe.
• 1:37:50
  Yeah, I believe
• 1:37:50
  that's right.
• 1:37:51
  Yeah.
• 1:37:52
  I guess that's unfortunate that they lost him.
• 1:37:55
  Cause he must be doing something right.
• 1:37:57
  I am still not sold on the look of the Lucid area.
• 1:38:00
  You know, whatever.
• 1:38:00
  We'll see it in person.
• 1:38:01
  It's unattractive.
• 1:38:03
  And the interior is.
• 1:38:05
  Not that cool either.
• 1:38:06
  I mean, those are personal, those are personal preferences.
• 1:38:10
  I mean, it's still better looking than that Maybach thing.
• 1:38:15
  No, that that's, that's called the suppository on spinners.
• 1:38:18
  And
• 1:38:19
  is that like the ballet cat or whatever that thing was?
• 1:38:22
  But anyway, so I feel like this era of car manufacturing has actually
• 1:38:28
  brought us back a hundred years.
• 1:38:30
  And hear me out on this one.
• 1:38:32
  If you look back over like the 1920s and 1930s, there were a lot
• 1:38:35
  of very boutique manufacturers.
• 1:38:38
  You have all these crazy names like, Oh, you have Oakland.
• 1:38:40
  And obviously you have names like Packard and things like that, but it felt like
• 1:38:43
  everybody in their brother, literally in some cases, like the Bentley brothers
• 1:38:47
  were developing their own brand of car.
• 1:38:50
  And so there's all these little boutique manufacturers and now
• 1:38:52
  they've, you know, been absorbed by the big names and whatnot.
• 1:38:56
  But.
• 1:38:56
  We're starting to see in the EV revolution, more boutique
• 1:39:00
  manufacturers coming online.
• 1:39:01
  And one of them came across our desk, Alpha Motors.
• 1:39:05
  And I'm like, who the hell is Alpha Motors?
• 1:39:06
  I guess Beta Motors is next followed by Charlie Motors.
• 1:39:09
  I don't know, but they put out something that really got my attention.
• 1:39:12
  They call it the wolf.
• 1:39:14
  And it's an electric pickup truck.
• 1:39:16
  And why do we love it?
• 1:39:18
  Because it looks like the Toyota from back to the future.
• 1:39:22
  100%.
• 1:39:24
  I would buy this pickup truck.
• 1:39:28
  Ladies and gentlemen, I have said it.
• 1:39:29
  It
• 1:39:30
  has a range of five miles.
• 1:39:33
  I mean, that has got to be the least aerodynamic thing ever made,
• 1:39:37
  but it's hella cool.
• 1:39:39
  It doesn't matter.
• 1:39:40
  Yeah.
• 1:39:40
  Yeah.
• 1:39:41
  I agree.
• 1:39:41
  It looks totally badass.
• 1:39:42
  I want one.
• 1:39:43
  I take that over a Rivian.
• 1:39:44
  Yes, I would.
• 1:39:45
  I would.
• 1:39:45
  I would take that over a Rivian.
• 1:39:47
  That thing is sick.
• 1:39:48
  And if you don't know what we're talking about, check out the show notes.
• 1:39:50
  All the information is there.
• 1:39:52
  The pictures are, there's pictures from every angle and
• 1:39:54
  it looks good from every angle.
• 1:39:56
  It is that classic Toyota four runner style.
• 1:39:59
  Like you're used to on back to the future.
• 1:40:01
  It's a three box with big flared fenders and big knobby tires.
• 1:40:05
  It looks bad ass.
• 1:40:06
  What else?
• 1:40:07
  What we don't need bill is our next car.
• 1:40:10
  Oh my.
• 1:40:10
  And our next car is unclear what its name is, but apparently it's made by Opel.
• 1:40:18
  And it's name is Rox E.
• 1:40:21
  Like a boulder?
• 1:40:22
  Like a rock
• 1:40:23
  rock?
• 1:40:23
  Like Rox as in the things you step on.
• 1:40:26
  Dash E.
• 1:40:28
  Is this the Rox E or the Amy E V?
• 1:40:32
  Maybe it's both.
• 1:40:33
  Like they had a baby or something.
• 1:40:35
  Because this thing is weird looking.
• 1:40:37
  It has a whopping 5.
• 1:40:39
  5 kilowatt hour battery.
• 1:40:40
  That's like a laptop.
• 1:40:41
  Right?
• 1:40:41
  It's Opal's, ah, okay, here we go.
• 1:40:44
  So Citroen has what is called the A.
• 1:40:47
  M.
• 1:40:47
  I.
• 1:40:47
  A.
• 1:40:48
  M.
• 1:40:48
  I.
• 1:40:48
  The A.
• 1:40:49
  M.
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  Sorry.
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  The friend.
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  Mon ami.
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  It's
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  the A.
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  I.
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  E.
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  V.
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  So Opal's version is the ROX E.
• 1:40:59
  And it's about the size of a Power Wheels.
• 1:41:03
  Yeah, this is a
• 1:41:04
  Power Wheels with a roll cage.
• 1:41:06
  The
• 1:41:06
  This is a joke, like it's a smart car.
• 1:41:09
  And then I don't know what happened to that smart car.
• 1:41:12
  It wasn't an accident or something.
• 1:41:13
  I mean, the seating position alone, the dashboard, just the interior
• 1:41:18
  cockpit would turn me away from the car outside of its overall aesthetics.
• 1:41:22
  Just being ultra French.
• 1:41:24
  But it's just like, I would be uncomfortable in this
• 1:41:27
  thing from the word go.
• 1:41:28
  On the cobbled streets of Europe in some medieval city, I'm sure it's totally fine.
• 1:41:33
  In America, you will die.
• 1:41:35
  A hundred percent.
• 1:41:35
  Don't do it.
• 1:41:36
  Don't
• 1:41:36
  do
• 1:41:37
  it.
• 1:41:38
  Book service announcement.
• 1:41:40
  Spare yourself.
• 1:41:41
  This one is because chips.
• 1:41:42
  It's not coming to America.
• 1:41:45
  We won't see this one in America.
• 1:41:46
  But um, there's another boutique manufacturer.
• 1:41:50
  They're known as Cupra and they have what they're calling the urban rebel.
• 1:41:55
  And so they developed a concept, which is essentially an electric hot hatch.
• 1:42:00
  And I can't honestly say that I hate it because it is definitely
• 1:42:04
  the epitome of hot hatch, like fast and the furious hot hat.
• 1:42:08
  I've
• 1:42:08
  got one of these in grand theft auto.
• 1:42:10
  Exactly.
• 1:42:11
  Like it's something from like need for speed underground, where you
• 1:42:14
  go into the garage and you put all your ground effects, lights
• 1:42:18
  on it, You know, all that stuff.
• 1:42:20
  It's like
• 1:42:20
  wheels.
• 1:42:21
  It's the scene from cars where
• 1:42:24
  every possible accessory
• 1:42:25
  does look like the wheels from that seven 18.
• 1:42:28
  Actually the nose does too.
• 1:42:29
  Here's my take on this.
• 1:42:31
  First of all, you had me at CUPRA because I immediately started
• 1:42:34
  thinking about the Seats, which for folks that don't know what Seat is,
• 1:42:38
  it's the Spanish arm of Volkswagen.
• 1:42:40
  They've had the CUPRA, which is the layoff is a lay on.
• 1:42:43
  Which is basically a GTI.
• 1:42:44
  The CUPRA Rs are fantastic cars.
• 1:42:46
  They're, they're a lot of fun.
• 1:42:47
  They're, they're actually in some respects, more powerful than the GTIs
• 1:42:50
  that we get here in the States, but they'll never bring them, but that's okay.
• 1:42:54
  What killed me on this article?
• 1:42:56
  It's Jalopnik, right?
• 1:42:58
  So it's the typical kind of clickbait and they go, and I'm
• 1:43:00
  going to read this verbatim.
• 1:43:01
  The CUPRA urban rebel concept is the electric hot hatch
• 1:43:05
  the world needs right now.
• 1:43:07
  In my best William Shatner impression.
• 1:43:09
  And I said, hell no.
• 1:43:11
  What the world needs right now is the GR Yaris.
• 1:43:14
  I'm standing up for Tanya on this one.
• 1:43:16
  Scrap this turd, bring over something that already exists that we already want.
• 1:43:21
  I don't need a boutique car.
• 1:43:23
  We need the GR Yaris.
• 1:43:24
  I we've said this a thousand times.
• 1:43:26
  This is not what the world needs.
• 1:43:28
  Yeah, but this is apples and oranges.
• 1:43:30
  The GR Yaris is a petrol car.
• 1:43:32
  Electric GR
• 1:43:33
  Yaris.
• 1:43:33
  We still need.
• 1:43:34
  The GRRs.
• 1:43:35
  We do still need the GRRs, but it's on a totally different level.
• 1:43:40
  I think if any other manufacturer that we recognize badge this, we'd
• 1:43:46
  be having a different conversation.
• 1:43:48
  Yes.
• 1:43:48
  Because we don't know who these folks are.
• 1:43:50
  They could be a skunk works for Say, for all we know, maybe they aren't.
• 1:43:55
  It's at least it's not a lot of like we mentioned earlier.
• 1:43:59
  Who knows?
• 1:43:59
  We'll keep an eye on it.
• 1:44:00
  Maybe it'll come to nothing.
• 1:44:02
  Maybe it's just a rendering.
• 1:44:03
  I
• 1:44:03
  mean, it's a concept car.
• 1:44:04
  So only time will tell.
• 1:44:06
  Speaking
• 1:44:07
  of concepts that aren't concepts that are actually rest of mods.
• 1:44:10
  We bring them up every month because there's been some really cool ones.
• 1:44:13
  We talked about the Yeah.
• 1:44:14
  E Legend, which was an homage to the original Audi Quattro.
• 1:44:18
  We talked about Morgans being redone as EVs, Alfa Romeo's, Opel Mantas,
• 1:44:23
  all sorts of really cool stuff.
• 1:44:24
  There's now a company that's doing a short wheelbase Ferrari 250 remake.
• 1:44:31
  And it is.
• 1:44:32
  Absolutely gorgeous company by the name of RML, not a ton of details.
• 1:44:38
  You can check out the pictures and salivate over them via our
• 1:44:41
  show notes, but really cool.
• 1:44:43
  I like that more of this is happening.
• 1:44:45
  I am a huge proponent for this style of EV and this style of just
• 1:44:52
  car design in general, bring back classic designs that people will buy.
• 1:44:57
  Hand over fist
• 1:44:58
  good Lord.
• 1:44:59
  That hits you right in the fields, man.
• 1:45:00
  That is gorgeous.
• 1:45:02
  Even in the white, which the Ferraris never came in.
• 1:45:04
  It's just, it is just beautiful, beautiful car.
• 1:45:08
  How they're able to do that without Ferrari breathing down
• 1:45:10
  their neck is beyond me, but
• 1:45:12
  wow.
• 1:45:12
  That was gorgeous.
• 1:45:13
  Geez.
• 1:45:14
  I'm just, I'm like, I'm in awe.
• 1:45:17
  Well, I guess it's time to transition and we'd be remiss if
• 1:45:21
  it wasn't a drive through episode where we didn't talk about.
• 1:45:25
  Tesla.
• 1:45:26
  That was your best Siri voice yet.
• 1:45:28
  Yeah, that was pretty good.
• 1:45:30
  Thank you.
• 1:45:30
  I tried Tesla.
• 1:45:32
  So, uh, you know, it's, it's kind of a quiet month for Tesla in a way.
• 1:45:38
  I mean, the cyber truck still delayed.
• 1:45:41
  They're not doing this.
• 1:45:42
  They're not doing that little roadster.
• 1:45:44
  Who knows?
• 1:45:45
  It's still floating in space,
• 1:45:46
  however.
• 1:45:49
  They're still dealing with a little teeny problem with their autopilot and
• 1:45:55
  the autopilot hitting parked emergency vehicles, particularly police cars.
• 1:46:01
  And yet again, another Tesla.
• 1:46:04
  That is not fully self autonomous, even though they think it is.
• 1:46:08
  Sideswipe the police car, nearly hit the police officer who I think at the time
• 1:46:12
  happened to be getting out of the car.
• 1:46:14
  So thankfully he wasn't killed or severely injured, but it's just adding to the
• 1:46:20
  list for the NHTSA to investigate what the heck is going on where the cars
• 1:46:26
  are seemingly getting very confused with the combination of it's always
• 1:46:29
  happening in like low light settings.
• 1:46:32
  So this was like early morning, so it was still dark outside and it's seemingly
• 1:46:36
  like darkness plus the flashing of the emergency vehicle light is just, it's
• 1:46:41
  like a, a fly to the electric bug zapper.
• 1:46:48
  And they're just, they're just going, they're just going.
• 1:46:51
  And, you know, again, the morons.
• 1:46:53
  Offense or no offense.
• 1:46:54
  I don't care because you're not paying attention.
• 1:46:57
  What are you doing that you're letting your car sideswipe a parked vehicle?
• 1:47:01
  You must
• 1:47:02
  want to
• 1:47:02
  leave it there.
• 1:47:03
  I can't believe I'm falling in the role of Tesla apologist.
• 1:47:06
  I'm definitely not one, but it doesn't make national news when
• 1:47:09
  anybody else sideswipes a cop that's pulled over on the side of the road.
• 1:47:13
  And usually they don't pull over very far.
• 1:47:15
  Sometimes they do that defensively to try and protect the car in front of them.
• 1:47:18
  They Hang their ass out over the line or whatever to
• 1:47:21
  right.
• 1:47:22
  And in a lot of States, it's illegal for you to stay in the lane adjacent
• 1:47:27
  to the pulled over emergency vehicle.
• 1:47:29
  And if you cannot exit that lane, you have to reduce your speed
• 1:47:32
  by like 50 percent or something.
• 1:47:34
  They do definitely need to program something into their autonomy that would
• 1:47:37
  move the car in the opposite direction.
• 1:47:40
  Not towards the way it would
• 1:47:42
  just sideswipe the car in the lane next to him.
• 1:47:44
  So what's fair
• 1:47:45
  enough, but it doesn't make national news when a Ford escape doesn't, right?
• 1:47:49
  I think the problem is it's not, it's not so much Tesla.
• 1:47:52
  It's so much that it's always the car is in self driving mode.
• 1:47:57
  That's always the common
• 1:47:58
  denominator.
• 1:47:59
  Yeah.
• 1:47:59
  Because if it was just like, Oh, dumb ass, Tesla driver was driving and
• 1:48:05
  texting and they sideswiped a car.
• 1:48:07
  Yes.
• 1:48:07
  That's no different than Ford Explorer driver.
• 1:48:10
  Dumb ass was texting lights, white car car.
• 1:48:13
  You know, when you're somebody like Tesla, that's claiming how awesome
• 1:48:18
  their self driving capabilities are and they're fully autonomous,
• 1:48:21
  you're putting a target on your back.
• 1:48:23
  And you're making it such that you're going to be the attention of every little
• 1:48:26
  thing that happens because you're claiming you're something that you really aren't.
• 1:48:30
  See Mark, this is the lesson we all learn about the drive through.
• 1:48:33
  Remember I mentioned in our, in our pre session, we just
• 1:48:36
  don't go there with the Tesla.
• 1:48:37
  You let Tanya do her thing.
• 1:48:40
  You let her rant, let her get it out of her system.
• 1:48:43
  It's like, I haven't heard the actual empirical argument.
• 1:48:47
  Yeah, it's pretty simple.
• 1:48:48
  Insurance companies ensure all these different cars.
• 1:48:51
  How many payouts do they make relative to mile driven on these cars?
• 1:48:55
  Autonomous driving, no autonomous driving.
• 1:48:57
  Is it doing better or worse than other expensive sedan?
• 1:49:01
  I haven't seen anybody release that data set.
• 1:49:04
  I don't know that.
• 1:49:05
  I mean, obviously they have the data.
• 1:49:06
  They absolutely have the data.
• 1:49:08
  You know, I haven't seen any, any news around that.
• 1:49:10
  I mean, certainly what do they call it?
• 1:49:12
  Autonomous level three or whatever.
• 1:49:14
  It's, it's a very dangerous point where it's, it's hard for humans.
• 1:49:18
  It's hard to have the discipline to pay attention.
• 1:49:20
  It really is.
• 1:49:21
  So you either turn it off.
• 1:49:23
  So you have to pay attention all the time.
• 1:49:24
  Or you try to have the discipline to pay attention the entire time while
• 1:49:27
  you're also kind of screwing around, because what else are you going to do?
• 1:49:30
  I was going to say it's called driving, but I mean, I'm not going to open that.
• 1:49:34
  Yeah.
• 1:49:34
  I mean, I don't disagree with you that we don't have the numbers and there's a lot
• 1:49:38
  of unsubstantiated claims that just say that there's far less accidents with, you
• 1:49:43
  know, the self driving the set and the other, and all these nannies and aides
• 1:49:46
  that lane assist and all that stuff.
• 1:49:48
  And, and, and that might be very true because I do think there is a subset
• 1:49:51
  of the population that is incapable of.
• 1:49:53
  Clearly keeping their focus on a single task at hand, which would be driving.
• 1:49:58
  And some of these aides are beneficial to the people around them to keep them
• 1:50:02
  safe, but I just get very annoyed by,
• 1:50:06
  I love the way you worded that,
• 1:50:08
  right?
• 1:50:08
  That was awesome.
• 1:50:11
  Are you a lawyer?
• 1:50:12
  I have no idea what you want in real life.
• 1:50:13
  That was very.
• 1:50:14
  That was very specific wording.
• 1:50:17
  I just get irritated by the ignorance or arrogance of people, the self driving,
• 1:50:22
  like stop calling it fully autonomous.
• 1:50:24
  It's not, we're not there yet.
• 1:50:25
  It does not exist as full autonomous.
• 1:50:27
  It's called a monorail.
• 1:50:28
  It's something like a roller coaster where the thing is tied to a track
• 1:50:32
  that is full autonomous, but we're not yet at a point where we can just.
• 1:50:36
  Take a nap in the driver's seat, roll the seat back, put on Netflix and chill, and
• 1:50:42
  not kill somebody going down the road at two o'clock in the morning and you're on
• 1:50:45
  a country road and you wanna go risk your life and drive off a cliff or into a tree.
• 1:50:49
  By all means, live your best life for as long as you can.
• 1:50:53
  , I don't know, don't put other people's lives unnecessarily in
• 1:50:56
  danger and, and maybe one day we'll get there, but we're not in.
• 1:51:00
  Yeah.
• 1:51:00
  You know, rah, it's only like 11 accidents on the grand scheme shore.
• 1:51:06
  But it's a black eye in the whole autonomous vehicle thing.
• 1:51:09
  And
• 1:51:10
  I hate the way that they face the market with it, where it's like, if they were
• 1:51:13
  just going to the market where they're like, yeah, accidents are happening
• 1:51:16
  and they do happen, they will happen and pay attention, assholes, uh, use
• 1:51:21
  the future responsibly, but instead they react so defensively and so
• 1:51:26
  aggressively against whoever bought it.
• 1:51:28
  That, you know, whoever raises concerns like, Hey, there appears to be a
• 1:51:32
  pattern to these accidents, if they were more just transparent about the
• 1:51:36
  challenges with the current software, I think they would get a lot further.
• 1:51:40
  I want to say this and I don't want to belabor the point, but the one
• 1:51:43
  thing that I take from all this is I approach it the opposite way.
• 1:51:47
  You know, I was jokingly saying, hang up and drive.
• 1:51:49
  You talked about, you know, being respectful of the future and the
• 1:51:51
  technology and stuff like that.
• 1:51:52
  When I look at driving, I think about the era in which we came up as drivers.
• 1:51:56
  Again, petrol heads of a certain age, we were the last of the analog generation.
• 1:52:00
  So we didn't have a lot of tech, but we were early adopters of technology,
• 1:52:04
  but I see driving still as a freedom, as a privilege, things like that.
• 1:52:09
  And I don't want to get into that debate, but what I also see it as is
• 1:52:12
  that moment, those 20 minutes, those 40 minutes, whatever it might be, where
• 1:52:16
  I get to disconnect from the grid.
• 1:52:19
  I don't have to think about work.
• 1:52:20
  I don't want to answer emails.
• 1:52:22
  I don't want to see your text message.
• 1:52:24
  I just want to turn on the radio, you know, my mixtape cruising in my five.
• 1:52:28
  Oh, with my carburetor and my hand crank and get where I'm going and
• 1:52:31
  just have a moment of decompression.
• 1:52:34
  And driving gives you that opportunity.
• 1:52:36
  So think about it that way disconnect for just a moment, even if it's to go to
• 1:52:41
  the local target or drop your kid off at school, put the phone down and just focus
• 1:52:45
  on driving and actually driving becomes very much second nature and you do relax.
• 1:52:50
  It's not a high stress thing as long as you're situationally aware.
• 1:52:54
  We talk about that a lot.
• 1:52:56
  In racing, keeping your eyes up and just being aware of what's going on.
• 1:52:59
  But you do kind of let the rest of the world fade to gray.
• 1:53:02
  And it's a moment of clarity that I don't think we can get or harvest
• 1:53:06
  in a lot of other ways these days.
• 1:53:08
  Unfortunately, we could tangent on that train of thought for a long time.
• 1:53:12
  Cause I flat out, there's people that have said they just hate to drive.
• 1:53:15
  So, but for a person that just.
• 1:53:16
  Does not want to drive or be positive with it, then get an Uber, right?
• 1:53:20
  You're not, you're not gonna, you're not going to sell them on it's
• 1:53:22
  their moment to disconnect because they don't want to disconnect.
• 1:53:24
  They don't even want to be behind the wheel.
• 1:53:26
  Like if they could have somebody else driving them, they would.
• 1:53:28
  Right.
• 1:53:29
  So that's for those people.
• 1:53:30
  Yeah.
• 1:53:30
  Self driving when it actually happens will be wonderful.
• 1:53:33
  So let's, uh, let's switch gears.
• 1:53:35
  We've hit on this already a couple times, electric cars and police
• 1:53:38
  cars, and apparently West Virginia.
• 1:53:41
  The city of nitro, West Virginia, I didn't know such a city existed.
• 1:53:46
  What a fancy name, which is near Charleston for those who are
• 1:53:50
  geographically not challenged for West Virginia has bought a Tesla model three.
• 1:53:55
  To be used as a police cruiser.
• 1:53:57
  I got questions
• 1:54:01
  and they spent an additional 10, 000 on top of the 40, 000 to buy it,
• 1:54:05
  to outfit it with the light sirens and additional police equipment.
• 1:54:09
  Well, not
• 1:54:10
  the sport model.
• 1:54:11
  Then
• 1:54:11
  none of that is important based on the previous topic.
• 1:54:15
  We were just talking about, we have a Tesla.
• 1:54:18
  That's a police car with lights and sirens.
• 1:54:21
  And we're going to use it on patrol day, night, weather, withstanding,
• 1:54:25
  does it just like implode?
• 1:54:30
  The second autopilot's engaged, it actually collapses in on itself in like
• 1:54:36
  a black hole and it just, it disappears.
• 1:54:39
  And the police officer becomes like Quantum Leap.
• 1:54:43
  It's all downhill from there.
• 1:54:45
  He now goes backwards in time to right histories and wrongs.
• 1:54:48
  Oh, my goodness.
• 1:54:50
  I think that's all we need to say about that.
• 1:54:52
  I just, let's follow this and see where it goes and how long this car actually lasts.
• 1:54:58
  I mean, my biggest question with all these electric police cars and
• 1:55:01
  I believe we're going to hit on.
• 1:55:03
  On this topic, actually later, what do you do in a high speed chase?
• 1:55:07
  Like if you're out running the cop, I mean, you probably could get
• 1:55:10
  away with it now because you only got to outlast the battery charge.
• 1:55:15
  And I tell you what, a Tesla full tilt.
• 1:55:18
  I've done this on track and I wrote an article about it.
• 1:55:20
  It doesn't last a half an hour at wide open.
• 1:55:23
  We'll call it wide open throttle.
• 1:55:24
  Well, then you got to consider the battery was probably not
• 1:55:27
  fully charged to begin with.
• 1:55:28
  Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
• 1:55:30
  I mean, you can't outrun Motorola.
• 1:55:31
  I'm not condoning any of this, but
• 1:55:35
  you can outrun those batteries.
• 1:55:36
  I'm not saying you should outrun the cost, but we know it happens.
• 1:55:39
  It'll be a Florida man story coming up.
• 1:55:41
  I mean, it's fine.
• 1:55:42
  It'll be West Virginia, man.
• 1:55:43
  The last bit of Tesla news is interesting.
• 1:55:47
  And not necessarily indicative of anything.
• 1:55:49
  Electric.
• 1:55:50
  co, they issued an article that says Tesla obtains patent on its wild idea
• 1:55:55
  to use lasers as windshield wipers.
• 1:56:00
  And there's just so much here.
• 1:56:02
  One could unpack.
• 1:56:04
  This is definitely Austin Powers, like sharks with fricking lasers on their head.
• 1:56:09
  Exactly.
• 1:56:10
  And you need to put
• 1:56:10
  one of those sharks, like, uh, like it's a windshield wiper.
• 1:56:13
  Yes.
• 1:56:15
  It's all very confusing and the take that it could just be that they
• 1:56:19
  came up with this idea and they're patenting it because that's what you do.
• 1:56:22
  If you think you have an idea, put a patent on it so nobody else can take it.
• 1:56:26
  And you might not yet know what you're actually going to use it
• 1:56:28
  for, but they framed it in this manner that really makes no sense.
• 1:56:32
  Talk about it specifically for debris on your windshield.
• 1:56:35
  So think dead bug, mud, bird doo doo, if you will.
• 1:56:40
  I see it all falling apart very quickly.
• 1:56:43
  So my windshield wipers are misaligned.
• 1:56:45
  So my car blinded me,
• 1:56:48
  then my windshield melted from the heat.
• 1:56:52
  And then the car got confused by the laser beam lights that were
• 1:56:55
  flashing at night during the rain.
• 1:56:58
  And then you crashed.
• 1:56:59
  Yes, it's obvious and very apparent that the patent and
• 1:57:03
  trade office is full of bad ideas.
• 1:57:05
  And this is just yet another one on that list.
• 1:57:08
  I would have thought they'd use it for heat and like some kind of anti fog.
• 1:57:14
  It's to give you like LASIK and cataracts.
• 1:57:17
  We're
• 1:57:18
  going to burn dirt off of your windshield.
• 1:57:21
  That just can't be efficient.
• 1:57:23
  That can't be energy efficient.
• 1:57:26
  And it sounds like they would not have a traditional windshield wiper
• 1:57:30
  blade going across the windshield.
• 1:57:31
  It almost reads that way, but that would be impossible because what do
• 1:57:35
  you do during a torrential downpour?
• 1:57:37
  There's no amount of lasers that are going to clear the water.
• 1:57:44
  And to do it, the laser would be so powerful that yes,
• 1:57:48
  it would burn your retina.
• 1:57:49
  Like it looks like a freaking
• 1:57:50
  like Calvin Harris midnight rave.
• 1:57:53
  It's like Lights everywhere, laser beams, and shit.
• 1:57:56
  You might as well get out the glow sticks at that point.
• 1:57:58
  I
• 1:57:58
  mean, it's
• 1:57:58
  gonna,
• 1:57:59
  it's gonna be
• 1:57:59
  a
• 1:57:59
  travesty.
• 1:58:00
  Though it does beg the memory, the Cybertruck does not have
• 1:58:04
  windshield wipers, I believe.
• 1:58:05
  No, it has that, it
• 1:58:06
  has
• 1:58:06
  that
• 1:58:06
  Etch a Sketch thing, where it moves, does some crazy thing
• 1:58:09
  on the, on the windshield.
• 1:58:11
  Absolutely mental.
• 1:58:12
  And the Cybertruck
• 1:58:13
  was delayed.
• 1:58:14
  Maybe it was delayed for laser beams.
• 1:58:16
  Chips.
• 1:58:17
  Because laser beams.
• 1:58:18
  The
• 1:58:18
  Model X was the Falcon doors, and the Cybertruck will be the Stupid windshield.
• 1:58:24
  As you guys remember from last month, we decided to split up.
• 1:58:27
  We would be remiss and introduce something we like to call
• 1:58:30
  lowered expectations.
• 1:58:34
  That's right.
• 1:58:34
  And I got to ask a question.
• 1:58:38
  I mean, we've, we brought up Magnus Walker before he put out on his Instagram feed
• 1:58:43
  and they kind of, one of them went viral.
• 1:58:44
  The other one sort of fell to the darkness.
• 1:58:47
  It was the Lambo van.
• 1:58:49
  It was a rendering that he put together of.
• 1:58:52
  Basically taking an eighties Lamborghini Countach and morphing
• 1:58:56
  it onto a VW van again, as you can see the core vehicle through this.
• 1:59:00
  And he also did one of an F40 and people went nuts.
• 1:59:02
  Like, Oh my God, this is the most awesome thing in the world.
• 1:59:04
  Actually, I think got more press in a way than the release of the new Lamborghini
• 1:59:08
  Countach that we talked about last month.
• 1:59:11
  But I wanted to get your guys opinions.
• 1:59:12
  What do you think about this?
• 1:59:13
  Well, we won the Countach definitely looks better than the F40.
• 1:59:16
  Yes.
• 1:59:17
  Like,
• 1:59:17
  like definitely.
• 1:59:19
  It's funny that the F40 got a lot more attention.
• 1:59:21
  I guess I have to be inclusive along my comments earlier that we need
• 1:59:24
  a broader accepting car culture.
• 1:59:27
  I would certainly take pictures of this if I found it out in the wild.
• 1:59:31
  That's for damn sure.
• 1:59:32
  I mean, it's the coolest Vanagon I've ever seen.
• 1:59:34
  I
• 1:59:34
  mean, if you told me that these were gen one transformers,
• 1:59:39
  totally be all over these.
• 1:59:41
  I would have both of them on my shelves and like expect them to transform
• 1:59:45
  into, you know, some robotic dude.
• 1:59:47
  Hang on.
• 1:59:48
  If it's this or a Pacifica, I'm definitely taking the Coontosh
• 1:59:51
  version of the Mannequin.
• 1:59:52
  Oh, wow.
• 1:59:55
  Shots fired.
• 1:59:56
  I'll tell you what, Pacifica is legit.
• 2:00:02
  Take the Coontosh in hand and one of those crate Ford electric motors.
• 2:00:06
  Hey, now we're talking.
• 2:00:08
  Now these would be really cool as ring buses.
• 2:00:10
  Like a Pantera.
• 2:00:11
  Can you make, well, that too, right?
• 2:00:13
  Can you imagine, but take these on the Nürburgring, like they
• 2:00:15
  have the ring taxis, these would be pretty slick to go around it.
• 2:00:18
  I mean, I would pay to go around in a Lambo van on the Nürburgring.
• 2:00:22
  So that'd be pretty slick.
• 2:00:22
  I
• 2:00:22
  feel like if I made it all the way out there, I'd have better uses of my time.
• 2:00:25
  That's very true.
• 2:00:26
  That's, I can't argue with that.
• 2:00:29
  If you have
• 2:00:30
  infinite days of the track, if I'm going to live the Nürburgring, sure.
• 2:00:33
  On the other side of lowered expectations, this one came from a friend of mine.
• 2:00:37
  She sent it to me and it was a TikTok link.
• 2:00:40
  And.
• 2:00:41
  A gentleman converted a vehicle into a life sized little red wagon, also
• 2:00:48
  known to many of us as the Astro Flyer.
• 2:00:51
  It's cool.
• 2:00:51
  Oh,
• 2:00:52
  I thought it at first was, I saw the handle and at first I
• 2:00:55
  was thinking back to that dude.
• 2:00:56
  That made the
• 2:00:58
  yeah, yeah, the trolley
• 2:01:00
  hand pump trolley train car thing.
• 2:01:03
  At first I was like, holy crap, is that this again?
• 2:01:05
  And then I thought it was a pedal cab kind of thing.
• 2:01:07
  But then I also thought it was one of those duck tour boats, right?
• 2:01:11
  Nope.
• 2:01:11
  It's a life size little red wagon.
• 2:01:14
  Okay, different strokes for different folks.
• 2:01:18
  I guess so.
• 2:01:19
  I mean, check it out for yourselves in the show notes, leave some
• 2:01:22
  comments, we're really interested to see what you think about this thing.
• 2:01:25
  I think it's kind of cool, but also just begs the question, why?
• 2:01:29
  Parade float.
• 2:01:31
  Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 2:01:32
  Well, now we got to move on to Rich people thing.
• 2:01:35
  This one pulls at my send it button pretty hard.
• 2:01:41
  And the title got me right away.
• 2:01:43
  And then I dug into it.
• 2:01:44
  Ever wonder if you could outrun a police pursuit?
• 2:01:49
  You won't have to wonder for very long if that police is a Tesla.
• 2:01:54
  Or an ID3 or whatever.
• 2:01:56
  Yeah, or any electric vehicle.
• 2:01:58
  But now your wish can come true because in the United Kingdom you can pay to try.
• 2:02:03
  So wait
• 2:02:05
  a second.
• 2:02:06
  And the very next subtitle to this article is It's you and a Porsche
• 2:02:11
  Boxster or Mazda Miata versus a law enforcement Dodge Charger, GTFO.
• 2:02:18
  Right?
• 2:02:19
  That's what I
• 2:02:20
  said.
• 2:02:20
  A Miata versus a Dodge Charger.
• 2:02:23
  On a racetrack.
• 2:02:25
  On a highway.
• 2:02:27
  Different problem.
• 2:02:28
  On a racetrack.
• 2:02:29
  First off ramp and then Miata would be gone.
• 2:02:32
  But here's the deal.
• 2:02:33
  Let's give you the bluff, right?
• 2:02:34
  The bottom line up front.
• 2:02:35
  An hour and a half, Includes the introductions to the basics, right?
• 2:02:39
  So they're assuming people don't have track time, whatever.
• 2:02:42
  So they go over safety, racing lines, throttle and braking, you know,
• 2:02:45
  typical HBDE and HBDC type of stuff, testing on the track, getting familiar.
• 2:02:50
  And then you get to choose between the Boxster or the Miata.
• 2:02:54
  I would personally choose the Boxster knowing what Miata's are like.
• 2:02:57
  No offense to miata lovers, just saying.
• 2:02:59
  I'm in a police pursuit.
• 2:03:00
  I think I want the Porsche.
• 2:03:02
  Yes.
• 2:03:03
  It's a 15 minute police pursuit.
• 2:03:05
  So think about it as a shortened track session and you're being chased by a Dodge
• 2:03:09
  Charger and your attempt is to escape.
• 2:03:12
  Where you're escaping to, I don't know, because you're lapping the track.
• 2:03:15
  I feel like I do this on any given weekend at the track anyway.
• 2:03:18
  And it probably costs a lot less, but I like the idea of the cherries and berries
• 2:03:24
  chasing me around, but not in the Miata.
• 2:03:26
  That's for sure.
• 2:03:27
  That is for sure.
• 2:03:28
  Now, if you had told me, come to the track with your own car and outrun
• 2:03:32
  the cops, hell yeah, let's do this.
• 2:03:35
  I'm in it to win it.
• 2:03:37
  Yeah, I mean, it seems it seems a little gimmicky.
• 2:03:39
  I was the headline was So cool.
• 2:03:42
  I was like, Oh, this is gonna be awesome.
• 2:03:43
  I think it was one of the old top gear episodes.
• 2:03:45
  Maybe it was top gear us, or they had like a military base where
• 2:03:48
  they'd abandoned the housing section.
• 2:03:51
  And so they ended up doing some little contests where they're
• 2:03:54
  running from Stig or Stig's chasing them around the housing section.
• 2:03:58
  And so you had this kind of residential setup, but of course there's nobody there.
• 2:04:01
  So if you jump a curb or run into a house or something, it's not a big deal.
• 2:04:04
  I was hoping it might be something like that.
• 2:04:06
  It seems like just a way to play flashlight tag.
• 2:04:08
  Yeah,
• 2:04:09
  exactly.
• 2:04:10
  And in a Miata, you're not going to get very far in 15 minutes.
• 2:04:13
  I hate to break it to you folks, especially with a Hemi charger behind you.
• 2:04:16
  It's not going to work.
• 2:04:17
  It's not going to take him very long to catch you.
• 2:04:19
  You better have like a three minute headstart or something.
• 2:04:22
  Well, if you're in the market for a luxurious motor home and
• 2:04:27
  you happen to have a cool 2.
• 2:04:30
  4 million burning a hole in your pocket, You could check out a German
• 2:04:35
  brand called Volkner mobile that makes a very luxurious motor home for which
• 2:04:41
  you could also slide your Bugatti or other high performance luxury car
• 2:04:46
  underneath in its own private garage.
• 2:04:51
  I love that the second picture is an I 8 that's a bit of a change.
• 2:04:56
  I
• 2:04:57
  mean, picture number one, Bugatti Chiron, picture number two, an I 8.
• 2:05:01
  We picked up for five bucks.
• 2:05:04
  We've seen these before on the old top gear, where they showed this
• 2:05:07
  being done with a Morgan arrow eight, if I remember correctly, and
• 2:05:10
  they had an older Volkner on there.
• 2:05:12
  So I'm glad to see that they're still around.
• 2:05:14
  Didn't realize there was a huge market for these things.
• 2:05:16
  Redefines the toter home and the toy hauler and whatnot.
• 2:05:20
  But, uh, yeah, if you got 2.
• 2:05:21
  4 million bucks to burn, what, what the hell not send it,
• 2:05:25
  it looks super nice inside.
• 2:05:26
  I don't know if it looks 2.
• 2:05:27
  4 million nights though.
• 2:05:29
  And maybe if 2.
• 2:05:30
  4 is.
• 2:05:31
  Too steep.
• 2:05:32
  Maybe the stereo system is an option because I would save you 355,
• 2:05:37
  000.
• 2:05:37
  Whoa.
• 2:05:39
  Brings it down to a cool 1.
• 2:05:41
  9 million.
• 2:05:42
  All right.
• 2:05:44
  More taxes, tags, and insurance.
• 2:05:46
  But it wouldn't be a drive through if we didn't finally reach our most anticipated
• 2:05:51
  part of the show, our Florida Man Stories.
• 2:05:54
  So the first one is very interesting and unexplained.
• 2:05:59
  Uh, uh, uh, no pun intended.
• 2:06:02
  Or was it a UFO sighted on the Florida turnpike and apparently it's legit was not
• 2:06:11
  photoshopped, but there's no explanation as to why it is gigantic metal circular
• 2:06:19
  thing was driving down the turnpike.
• 2:06:23
  I mean, it's, it's right in the name.
• 2:06:25
  U F O.
• 2:06:26
  There's no F here.
• 2:06:27
  It was driving.
• 2:06:30
  It was a U D O.
• 2:06:34
  Unidentified driving object was seen on the floor of Turnpike.
• 2:06:38
  I just want to know which VW Beetle this was built on top of.
• 2:06:43
  Thing is tragic.
• 2:06:46
  And I love the fact what makes it even better is the cover photo, which
• 2:06:49
  is in our show notes, looks like every other alien Bigfoot sighting
• 2:06:54
  photo where every freaking person now has like triple and quadruple high
• 2:06:59
  definition cameras on their cell phone.
• 2:07:01
  And this thing is grainy as shit.
• 2:07:03
  Like it was taken on an Olympus.
• 2:07:05
  From like 1982, like I do not
• 2:07:08
  understand.
• 2:07:09
  Yeah.
• 2:07:09
  These people are taking 25 megapixel photos on their, whatever phone this
• 2:07:14
  thing looks like it was a Polaroid from the favorite Instagram comment was.
• 2:07:21
  New Tesla.
• 2:07:26
  It's the Model U.
• 2:07:27
  It's the Model U, baby.
• 2:07:29
  I bet
• 2:07:30
  it's the CyberDisk.
• 2:07:32
  Oh
• 2:07:34
  man, but you know what?
• 2:07:35
  I bet this has Home Depot parts.
• 2:07:37
  This
• 2:07:38
  is guaranteed to be made in someone's basement with Home Depot parts.
• 2:07:45
  Dude, that
• 2:07:45
  cockpit alone just is comically cartoonish.
• 2:07:49
  Like,
• 2:07:50
  can you imagine driving this freaking thing down the highway?
• 2:07:54
  It's just brutal.
• 2:07:55
  It's brutal.
• 2:07:56
  I mean, the aerodynamics, like, at what speed do you start generating lift?
• 2:08:00
  I mean, look at the shape.
• 2:08:01
  Like, you're gonna, that thing is, it's, it's, It's genuinely dangerous.
• 2:08:06
  It looks so unstable.
• 2:08:10
  Oh, guaranteed.
• 2:08:11
  It's like some 72 year old man driving to the flea market.
• 2:08:15
  Like, you know, pick up cucumbers or something.
• 2:08:18
  It's just, oh, it's tragic.
• 2:08:20
  It's like, like that Mercedes from 2000 or whatever that just flipped up in the air.
• 2:08:24
  It's like, as soon as that guy hits 55, he's taken off.
• 2:08:26
  Oh, the CLK GTR.
• 2:08:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:28
  Yeah, from uh, Lamonts.
• 2:08:29
  Alright, what's next?
• 2:08:30
  You're killing me.
• 2:08:31
  So we're gonna take a detour real quick.
• 2:08:33
  Out of Florida, we're gonna go north to Vermont.
• 2:08:37
  Whoa.
• 2:08:37
  We haven't been to Vermont yet.
• 2:08:39
  We've never been to Vermont before and honestly this seems very
• 2:08:41
  uncharacteristic of, of a Vermont Ian.
• 2:08:44
  But hey, there's all types everywhere.
• 2:08:46
  So apparently there was a man in Vermont charged with stealing five Teslas.
• 2:08:52
  Oh, but also lighting it on fire on Lake Champlain.
• 2:08:58
  So he bought them with initial small payments and then started doing a
• 2:09:03
  whole multiple bank accounts and all different places trying to bullshit
• 2:09:08
  his way out of pain for them.
• 2:09:10
  And then the fifth one.
• 2:09:12
  Apparently, because I guess he couldn't get the right paperwork to turn around
• 2:09:16
  and sell these cars right away after he bought them for nothing and didn't
• 2:09:18
  finish the payments, he drove it out onto the lake when it was iced over.
• 2:09:24
  And then it allegedly just caught on fire spontaneously,
• 2:09:28
  was there like an ambulance or something nearby?
• 2:09:31
  There might
• 2:09:32
  have been like an emergency vehicle out on the lake that it slammed
• 2:09:36
  into and then combusted, but he tried to file an insurance claim.
• 2:09:39
  Of
• 2:09:40
  course he did,
• 2:09:41
  which was rejected.
• 2:09:43
  So kudos to that insurance adjuster, uh, or insurance agent, the vehicles
• 2:09:47
  apparently totaled 607, 000.
• 2:09:50
  Good God.
• 2:09:51
  So these were high end Tesla's, I guess.
• 2:09:53
  This is where the, uh, direct to consumer market is good because normally a dealer
• 2:09:58
  would have to eat that a relatively small business would be stuck with
• 2:10:02
  that payment to the bank, but nope, that comes right out of Elon's pocket.
• 2:10:06
  So
• 2:10:07
  how do you feel about this guy?
• 2:10:09
  When he puts your name, you're allegedly friends with this dude and
• 2:10:13
  he puts your name on these purchases.
• 2:10:15
  I mean, that's like your buddy signing you up for porn magazines too, right?
• 2:10:19
  And it's the same thing.
• 2:10:23
  Who knew these people were in Vermont, but they're there too, ladies and gentlemen.
• 2:10:27
  So,
• 2:10:27
  you know, it could have been worse.
• 2:10:29
  He could have done like that Porsche guy we talked about last year, who
• 2:10:32
  printed his own checks on the printer at home and then went bottom with that.
• 2:10:36
  So, you know, Hey, there's all different ways that approach this.
• 2:10:40
  Well, let's go back down to Florida real quick.
• 2:10:42
  So there is a link out there of a Facebook video of a fabulous bystander who
• 2:10:49
  stopped, observed this and recorded it.
• 2:10:52
  So thank you to those people.
• 2:10:53
  Was it grainy or was it actually like visible?
• 2:10:56
  No, it's pretty good.
• 2:10:57
  I mean, he, I wish he was a little bit closer so I could
• 2:10:59
  see better, but it's enough.
• 2:11:02
  So Florida man was pulled over in the middle, you know, whatever the highway
• 2:11:05
  there was road, minor highway, not major.
• 2:11:08
  And, uh, he got out and then instead of just Staying in the car
• 2:11:13
  or just standing outside the car.
• 2:11:15
  You should never get outside the car unless the police directed you to.
• 2:11:17
  He starts twerking in the middle of the road and it's raining outside.
• 2:11:24
  So there's a Florida man twerking in the middle of the frickin road.
• 2:11:28
  And then the police tase him to subdue him.
• 2:11:32
  I, I can't.
• 2:11:34
  I cannot unsee this.
• 2:11:36
  And I want, and I want to.
• 2:11:38
  You don't want to unsee it.
• 2:11:40
  It's fantastic.
• 2:11:41
  This is just, oh, it's epic.
• 2:11:43
  I mean, the restraint from the officer is pretty good, like, he could have
• 2:11:47
  tased that guy a couple minutes earlier.
• 2:11:49
  Yes, he could have.
• 2:11:50
  But he let it go, you know, thinking maybe he'd twerk himself out and get a
• 2:11:53
  little tired, I guess, and get compliant.
• 2:11:56
  Like,
• 2:11:57
  I mean, I'd rather see this guy twerking in the middle of the traffic
• 2:12:01
  than those assholes we talked about that are doing donuts in the middle
• 2:12:04
  of the beltway, you know, God, I stopped, I stopped for the twerking.
• 2:12:08
  I mean, you know, it's entertainment.
• 2:12:10
  So what the hell is going on?
• 2:12:13
  And
• 2:12:13
  the next one.
• 2:12:15
  Must've been the Vermont guy's cousin or something, but you know, these
• 2:12:18
  are more like dumbest criminal files.
• 2:12:20
  So Florida guy, he, uh, steals a car from a Chrysler Dodge Jeep dealership.
• 2:12:26
  Then he turns around and tries to trade it back into the same dealership.
• 2:12:33
  Because we're never going to check the bin,
• 2:12:35
  which they did do and realize that the car that went missing on their lot just
• 2:12:40
  a few days earlier was a Was, in fact, this same car now trying to be traded in.
• 2:12:45
  Oh my
• 2:12:45
  God.
• 2:12:46
  So good job on you.
• 2:12:48
  I do love the comments.
• 2:12:49
  So you always got to read the comments.
• 2:12:51
  Did he have the dealer tag still on it?
• 2:12:56
  That was your first clue.
• 2:12:57
  Hey, Bob, you know, the dealer tag that went missing just came in for traded.
• 2:13:03
  But if that wasn't bad enough.
• 2:13:05
  Oh, please, please tell me there's more.
• 2:13:09
  I mean, you can just read the title and it just explains the whole article, right?
• 2:13:12
  So, Florida man arrested for indecent exposure after driving
• 2:13:16
  naked through seven toll booths.
• 2:13:20
  Well, I mean, was it summertime?
• 2:13:21
  Cause I mean, it's hot in
• 2:13:23
  Florida.
• 2:13:23
  I mean, it's, it's, you know, it was late August, early September in Florida.
• 2:13:29
  So yes, Was
• 2:13:29
  he so fat that he covered his private parts?
• 2:13:33
  In which case, I mean, is that really indecent exposure?
• 2:13:36
  The toll workers could apparently see those areas.
• 2:13:43
  That's
• 2:13:43
  unfortunate.
• 2:13:44
  That's the one time where being really overweight could be helpful.
• 2:13:46
  He was nudist.
• 2:13:47
  He was a nudist.
• 2:13:48
  That's his defense.
• 2:13:49
  It's
• 2:13:50
  a religious defense.
• 2:13:52
  It's part of his religion.
• 2:13:53
  The hilarious part is, the gentleman, Phil Yaw, his last name, Phil
• 2:13:58
  Yaw was identified through photo comparison and security footage.
• 2:14:04
  I'm just gonna let Photo comparisons
• 2:14:08
  of what?
• 2:14:09
  Brings a whole, brings a whole new definition.
• 2:14:12
  I've seen that dickhead before.
• 2:14:17
  People just get the freaking easy pass.
• 2:14:22
  I've seen that asshole before.
• 2:14:24
  Damn it.
• 2:14:24
  He's back
• 2:14:26
  to round out the Florida man.
• 2:14:28
  I kept this one for last.
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  Well, I thought this one was amusing and you know what, this
• 2:14:32
  person, you know, he got fed up.
• 2:14:34
  He got tired.
• 2:14:35
  You know, he's probably tired of spending money, having to repair his car.
• 2:14:38
  And he's, he's clearly.
• 2:14:40
  An environmentally conscious individual.
• 2:14:44
  So I give him props because he got tired of the private road
• 2:14:48
  that he drives on being in poor condition, riddled with potholes.
• 2:14:52
  So what does he do?
• 2:14:53
  He takes matters into his own hands and he plants a banana tree in the pothole.
• 2:15:03
  So now instead of driving over the pothole, you have to evade a banana tree.
• 2:15:08
  Yep.
• 2:15:10
  Yes.
• 2:15:11
  So in the, and you know what he considers himself warning other motorists.
• 2:15:16
  That the potholes there because you'll see the tree.
• 2:15:18
  You might not have seen the pothole.
• 2:15:20
  Oh, so there's
• 2:15:21
  some definite upsides here, right?
• 2:15:22
  So number one, you'd have a really easy measurement for how long the
• 2:15:25
  potholes remain unfixed, because you can see how tall the tree is.
• 2:15:29
  And if you click on the picture, it's surprisingly tall.
• 2:15:32
  I'm surprised no one just ran over the damn thing.
• 2:15:34
  It's like four or five feet tall, which is crazy.
• 2:15:37
  Um, I kind of think a downside would be the root system wouldn't
• 2:15:41
  be so great for the road.
• 2:15:42
  is already obviously imperiled all by itself.
• 2:15:46
  I have to think that part is maybe not great.
• 2:15:48
  That's true.
• 2:15:49
  Long term, this tree is going to cause more damage than good.
• 2:15:52
  But you said it was a private road.
• 2:15:54
  And I don't know what that means.
• 2:15:56
  Probably not maintained by the city or the county or the township, so.
• 2:16:00
  Right.
• 2:16:00
  But what is that?
• 2:16:01
  Is it, is it his own road then?
• 2:16:03
  I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a trailer park in Florida with an HOA that
• 2:16:09
  is somehow shockingly behind on its dues.
• 2:16:12
  Maybe because it's a trailer park in Florida and they can't
• 2:16:14
  afford to keep up the roots.
• 2:16:17
  So we put in a banana tree.
• 2:16:19
  You can afford the
• 2:16:20
  banana tree.
• 2:16:21
  Obvious solution is you plant a banana tree in the potholes.
• 2:16:24
  Because the money is in the banana stand, right?
• 2:16:27
  I, you know.
• 2:16:28
  There's a little arrested development for you.
• 2:16:30
  He's got a business going here.
• 2:16:32
  So kudos to him.
• 2:16:33
  He's being environmentally conscious because it does say.
• 2:16:36
  The idea came to his mind after having to fill holes in the
• 2:16:39
  street with cement multiple times.
• 2:16:42
  So this gentleman has been taking it upon himself to do road
• 2:16:46
  repair that hasn't been working.
• 2:16:48
  He's been pouring quikrete into
• 2:16:51
  potholes.
• 2:16:53
  And oddly enough, I think what saddens me the most is that regardless
• 2:16:57
  of whatever he's using, quikrete, concrete, dog manure, I don't care.
• 2:17:02
  A banana tree is somewhat cheaper than all of those items that
• 2:17:06
  you'd be putting in a pothole.
• 2:17:08
  That just baffles my mind.
• 2:17:09
  I mean, how, I don't even know how the seeds on it, where do
• 2:17:11
  you get the seed for banana?
• 2:17:13
  Did he use like a split or did he take a cutting?
• 2:17:16
  I mean, I am not, I am the furthest thing from a botanist.
• 2:17:19
  So he went to the
• 2:17:20
  local, he went to the local garden center.
• 2:17:23
  He picked up the pre started pre grown potted banana plant, probably.
• 2:17:27
  And just plop it in there with some
• 2:17:28
  Miracle Gro.
• 2:17:29
  Miracle Gro is not cheap though.
• 2:17:30
  You know,
• 2:17:31
  again, solid logic, environmentally friendly approach to fixing the road.
• 2:17:35
  Ah, Florida.
• 2:17:36
  You delight me every month.
• 2:17:38
  There's just so much going on there, but unfortunately we have
• 2:17:40
  to go behind the wall very quickly for some motor sports news.
• 2:17:43
  And this month we concentrate mostly on open wheel racing.
• 2:17:46
  And I'm just going to do a couple of quick things.
• 2:17:48
  First up, we talked about Michael Andretti starting his U S based
• 2:17:52
  formula one team last month.
• 2:17:54
  He has apparently signed a gross John or gross Jean, or however you
• 2:17:58
  want to pronounce it to run on the Andretti auto sport team in 2022.
• 2:18:04
  So that's solidifying some dates, solidifying a name driver.
• 2:18:08
  I'm really excited to see how that goes for team Andretti
• 2:18:11
  and wish them the best of luck.
• 2:18:13
  In addition to that, there was a pretty.
• 2:18:15
  Epic crash that we posted the video for on our show notes that happened
• 2:18:19
  at spa after spa has now finally been reopened during the formula W series.
• 2:18:25
  It's a pretty bad pileup there's in multiple angles, slow motion in real
• 2:18:30
  time, et cetera, all I can say is there must've been debris on the track and
• 2:18:35
  somebody or a liquid that they didn't see.
• 2:18:36
  And one of the flaggers didn't catch it.
• 2:18:38
  It happened basically right at Eau Rouge, pretty bad accident there.
• 2:18:42
  My other big thing was formula W.
• 2:18:44
  Question mark, but we can save that.
• 2:18:46
  We'll put a pin in it and talk about it on another episode.
• 2:18:49
  Meanwhile, more drama in Formula One land.
• 2:18:52
  The non drama side is that Kimi Raikkonen has finally announced his retirement, but
• 2:18:58
  with that brought a whole shuffling of drivers as he leaves the seat at Alpha.
• 2:19:03
  Much to the correct speculation of folks, Botas leaves Mercedes, fills
• 2:19:09
  the seat from Kimmy in Alpha, George Russell is moving to Mercedes to team
• 2:19:14
  with Lewis Hamilton, and they're bringing back Alban to fill the now vacant
• 2:19:20
  Williams seat from George Russell.
• 2:19:22
  And we got Grossjean going to Andretti next year, so there you go.
• 2:19:25
  But the real drama came at the Monza race where there was another.
• 2:19:31
  Incident between Verstappen and Hamilton, which took them both out.
• 2:19:36
  I don't know my Monza turn numbers, but as they're coming down, you know, past
• 2:19:40
  start, finish pit lane out the right hander, sharp right hander into the,
• 2:19:45
  you know, 90 degree right, 90 degree left, that quick chicane right there.
• 2:19:49
  Hamilton came out of the pits.
• 2:19:51
  He had established front wheels in front of Verstappen, who
• 2:19:54
  was already hot on track.
• 2:19:56
  Uh, Hamilton came in on the inside into that first turn.
• 2:20:00
  Verstappen tried to take the outside.
• 2:20:02
  Of course, you immediately have to come over to the left to make the next turn.
• 2:20:06
  There was a pinching off that happened.
• 2:20:08
  Essentially the tires of Verstappen hit, hit Hamilton's that shot Verstappen
• 2:20:13
  up on top of Hamilton, where his car then ended up coming to rest.
• 2:20:17
  And when you watch kind of the replay, you actually see that.
• 2:20:20
  If the halo hadn't been there, Lewis Hamilton would probably either be dead
• 2:20:25
  or very critically injured because the front or back tire of Verstappen's
• 2:20:29
  car actually bounced off his head.
• 2:20:31
  You know, most of that force was luckily absorbed by the halo,
• 2:20:34
  but there was still impact.
• 2:20:36
  So had that halo not been there, that would have been a catastrophic incident.
• 2:20:39
  Good on formula one for making these safety improvements.
• 2:20:43
  To help save these drivers lives at the end of the day, it was deemed that
• 2:20:47
  Verstappen was more at fault in this incident, being a little too aggressive,
• 2:20:52
  I think was the final ruling he's, I think, receiving like a three place
• 2:20:55
  penalty at the start of the next race to
• 2:20:58
  no one's surprise, right?
• 2:21:01
  I don't even follow.
• 2:21:02
  Formula one that closely, but that accident certainly made it
• 2:21:06
  into my, you know, new cycle.
• 2:21:08
  And it's just that kind of safety stuff.
• 2:21:10
  If they can make those improvements, they need to.
• 2:21:12
  Yeah.
• 2:21:12
  And a lot of us laughed about that halo and how goofy it looks and
• 2:21:15
  it impairs the driver's vision and all this kind of stuff.
• 2:21:17
  And I was still skeptical on whether or not it works because it's very
• 2:21:20
  rare that a formula car like flips over, you have an accident like this.
• 2:21:24
  I mean, this is reminiscent of some like weird carting accident where one goes
• 2:21:27
  underneath the other one kind of deal.
• 2:21:29
  But I often wonder too, that they make these safety improvements.
• 2:21:32
  They make some of these.
• 2:21:32
  Drastic changes.
• 2:21:33
  And then that gives the drivers a false sense of invincibility where
• 2:21:38
  they're like, well, I can risk because now we have this added safety thing.
• 2:21:41
  And so maybe, you know, we can try a little bit harder.
• 2:21:43
  So I often wonder that it comes at an expense and there's a balance there.
• 2:21:47
  And so maybe if it wasn't there, then they would know, Hey, I'm
• 2:21:50
  not going to take that risk.
• 2:21:51
  I'm going to back off.
• 2:21:51
  I'm going to give them the space.
• 2:21:52
  Like you didn't, prost Senate days when they would battle it out and take
• 2:21:56
  each other out, it was never like this.
• 2:21:58
  Like, I feel like they're a lot more aggressive now, or maybe just
• 2:22:01
  for stoppings, more aggressive.
• 2:22:02
  In general, you know, he is a former Carter and things like that.
• 2:22:05
  He's just, maybe it never got out of his system.
• 2:22:07
  I'm not trying to make excuses.
• 2:22:08
  I just, I'm glad it's there.
• 2:22:10
  Hamilton's still around and all that, but I think
• 2:22:13
  there's been some other accidents though, that haven't been necessarily contact
• 2:22:17
  on contact like this, where the halo has probably saved the driver's life.
• 2:22:23
  That's the whole rugby versus football, you know, analogy relative to the
• 2:22:27
  protective equipment and do American football players take more risks.
• 2:22:30
  I think there's probably some validity is it's not mutually exclusive.
• 2:22:34
  It can be both of those things.
• 2:22:35
  Well, unfortunately we don't have a ton of other motorsport news this month.
• 2:22:38
  You know, we've been so busy with everything else that's been going
• 2:22:41
  on, including Florida man stories, but we want to just wrap up the
• 2:22:44
  show here with some local news.
• 2:22:46
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• 2:22:50
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• 2:22:55
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• 2:23:02
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  They're going to be at Palmer Motorsports Park the weekend of October 9th.
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  It's been a while since HOD has been to Palmer.
• 2:23:44
  I was at the last time that they were there and I loved it.
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  The fastest mountain road you've ever raced on.
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  So if you haven't experienced Palmer yet, there's this little bit of added
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• 2:24:00
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  friendly folks over at Hooked on Driving.
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  Now for us here at GTM, a lot of us are wrapping up our season.
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  We got folks at Indianapolis right now at the SCCA runoffs.
• 2:24:16
  We got events.
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  Now through basically November where we wrap up with the Audi club.
• 2:24:20
  But for those of us here on the show, we're probably wrapping up our season
• 2:24:24
  this year at the end of October, October 22nd through 24th at Watkins Glen.
• 2:24:29
  So if you're going to be in that area and you want to kind of check it out,
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