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The DiCecco Daily: Impact Of Not Having A.J. Brown, Cam Jurgens, Others vs. Giants In Week 8 · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on? Everybody? Welcome into this edition of
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  Speaker 1: the check O'deli.
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  Speaker 2: It's Andrew de Cheko with a Friday podcast, which means
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  Speaker 2: we get game statuses.
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  Speaker 1: And there are a lot of names.
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  Speaker 2: On the Philadelphi Eagles who will not be available, and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to go through them right now out for
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  Speaker 2: Sunday versus the Giants. Cornerback Jacorian Bennett pectoral, wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: aj Brown hamstring, defensive end Brandon Graham not injury related,
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  Speaker 2: cornerback of Dori Jackson concussion, center Cam Jurgen's knee, and
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  Speaker 2: outside linebacker Azizo Jilari hamstring, questionable, wide receiver Darius Cooper
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  Speaker 2: with the shoulder. So let's break all this down. I
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  Speaker 2: was really surprised that Jacoreyan Bennett is not going to
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  Speaker 2: be available for this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Jacoreyan Bennett was listed as a full participant and he
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  Speaker 2: was on Thursday. Remember the Eagles open up his twenty
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  Speaker 2: one day practice window Wednesday, But who knows, maybe he's
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  Speaker 2: not quite ready to go yet, and obviously not given
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles lack of depth there at corner because of
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  Speaker 2: Dori Jackson won't be playing with that concussion.
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  Speaker 1: So we won't see Jacoreyan Bennett until.
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  Speaker 2: After the bye week and after the NFL trade deadline,
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  Speaker 2: which is really notable because earlier in the week, Eagles
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  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator Vic Fangio mentioned that he would give Jacorean
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  Speaker 2: Bennett incomplete when asked to evaluate what he's seen from
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  Speaker 2: him thus far. Look, Jacorean Bennett's played just twenty four
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  Speaker 2: defensive snaps twenty on special teams, so he's an unknown
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  Speaker 2: entity at least in this defense. So now the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: won't have a sense of what Jaqurean Bennett is or
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  Speaker 2: isn't before the trade deadline. I thought that if he
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  Speaker 2: checked off a lot of the boxes this week that
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  Speaker 2: they're looking to see, that the Eagles would be so
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  Speaker 2: inclined to get him involved defensively to get a better
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  Speaker 2: assessment and see where he is and if he can fit,
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  Speaker 2: if he can be a piece that they can work
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  Speaker 2: with and plug him in as the cornerback too and
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  Speaker 2: stop the revolving door.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't to be. So.
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  Speaker 2: The corners that will be available behind Quinna Mitchell and
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Egen Keeley Ringo who gets the start, and Mac
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  Speaker 2: McWilliams the rookie corner Perry Nickerson, the veteran. That's their
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  Speaker 2: setup this week. So I talked about Keey Ringo in
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  Speaker 2: the previous podcast. He'll get another opportunity against a team
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  Speaker 2: that he struggled against a couple of weeks ago in
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  Speaker 2: that week six Thursday night football game. Now, there were
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  Speaker 2: some mental lapses, like not tagging down Wandel Robinson, and
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  Speaker 2: he needs to play the ball better. I look at
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  Speaker 2: that thirty four yard completion of little Jordan Humphrey.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be keeping.
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  Speaker 2: An eye on Ringo to see if he cleans up
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  Speaker 2: some of those miscues because I do think he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be better, and the Eagles are giving him another opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: this time out of necessity, and it becomes incumbent upon
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  Speaker 2: Keighley to go out there and prove the coaches right,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe just maybe he showcases enough that he gets
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  Speaker 2: a longer look and maybe it precludes the Eagles from
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  Speaker 2: looking to at a corner at the trade deadline. Now,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the names that you see surfacing, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that they're definitively better.
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  Speaker 1: Than what the Eagles have.
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  Speaker 2: And my opinion on this whole thing is they probably
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  Speaker 2: have something there between the three players of Dori Jackson,
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  Speaker 2: Jacoryan Bennett, and Keeley Ringo. So you would think that
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  Speaker 2: one of those players are going to emerge. They have
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  Speaker 2: some optionality. They all have a different type of skill set.
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  Speaker 2: But that's I mean, Adori's been up and down, Keighley's
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  Speaker 2: been up and down, and Jakorean's an unknown entity. So
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  Speaker 2: it leaves some uneasiness there and rightfully so at the
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  Speaker 2: cornerback position. No Cam Jurgens this week means what I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned on yesterday's podcast that it's likely that Brett Toath
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  Speaker 2: will get the start at center. At Thursday's practice, Brett
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  Speaker 2: Toath was first up at center and.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles, you know, specifically Nick.
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  Speaker 2: Sirianni when I think it might have been either Monday
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  Speaker 2: or Wednesday, I mean, he's doubled down and tripled down
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  Speaker 2: Whenever asked about Brett Toath about how much confidence they
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  Speaker 2: have in him, he's been around for a while, and
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  Speaker 2: that he's a player that they have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: confidence in. And look, Jeff Stoutlin thinks very highly of
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  Speaker 2: Brett Toath. I really enjoy talking to Brett, and he's
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  Speaker 2: super insightful.
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  Speaker 1: Really smart guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's been around a lot he's very well versed in
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Stotlin's techniques and his philosophy. And maybe now that
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  Speaker 2: he's not having to play left guard. I remember Brett
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  Speaker 2: played left guard the last time the Eagles and Giants
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  Speaker 2: faced each other. It maybe had, you know, the line,
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  Speaker 2: maybe will have a different a different look or be
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  Speaker 2: able to execute things a little bit differently because then
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  Speaker 2: you have the left side intact with Jordan Malatta and
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  Speaker 2: Landon Dickerson. And for continuity purposes, this makes a lot
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  Speaker 2: of sense. So that's your answer there. At center, Let's
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  Speaker 2: see we got Brandon Graham. That's another interesting one because
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  Speaker 2: Beiji was a full participant all week. Remember Vic Vangil
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that it's not just you know, the conditioning, which
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  Speaker 2: football shape is different than ordinary conditioning.
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  Speaker 1: It also has to do with retention.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have any concerns with that piece. But the
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  Speaker 2: conditioning part is probably something that is going to take
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  Speaker 2: you know, this week to get acclimated and then the
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  Speaker 2: bye week. But as I mentioned before, the Eagles have
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  Speaker 2: until November three to activate the two week exemption that
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  Speaker 2: the that the Eagles have on Brandon Graham, so he'll
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  Speaker 2: make his debut against the Green Bay Packers, and there'll
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  Speaker 2: be some news because they have to activate.
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  Speaker 1: Him to the fifty three men roster, so there'll be
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  Speaker 1: some news.
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  Speaker 2: There has to be some news in the in the
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  Speaker 2: coming week or so, but he won't be available for
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  Speaker 2: this game. I thought there might be a shot where
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  Speaker 2: he would play. The Eagles are really light on the
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  Speaker 2: edge as he's o. Jalari's not playing with the hamstring,
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  Speaker 2: so they only have Jylex Hunt, josh Usha, and Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Johnson as true edge players available for Sunday, So there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a lot of snaps there. Jayalox Hunt's
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to undertake a really large role. Josh Usha,
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  Speaker 2: who I think is going to pick up another sack
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  Speaker 2: this week, his second on the year.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to double down on that.
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  Speaker 2: But I just feel like Graham would have been even
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  Speaker 2: if he plays, you know, five to ten snaps would
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  Speaker 2: have helped him a little bit. So it looks like
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  Speaker 2: Jahad Campbell's gonna have to play a lot more on
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  Speaker 2: the edge this week, and that affords Vic Vangio the
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  Speaker 2: ability to put in to Kobe Dean and find a
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  Speaker 2: role for him, and the Kobe Dean's going to be
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  Speaker 2: especially critical defending the run. We all saw what Cam Scattabow,
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  Speaker 2: the rookie running back of the New York Giants, did
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  Speaker 2: in the last meeting, rushing for ninety eight yards and
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  Speaker 2: three touchdowns. Having someone in there like the Kobe Dean
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  Speaker 2: who is very adept at coming up and playing the
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  Speaker 2: run he gets downhill. He's also a good blitzer. And
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  Speaker 2: they have Jalen Carter this week as well, So those
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  Speaker 2: two editions are going to pay huge dividends in all likelihood.
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  Speaker 1: But the edge rusher room is super light.
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  Speaker 2: And that one was a mild surprise that Graham wasn't available,
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  Speaker 2: given you know, his feedback and like that. And we
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  Speaker 2: also saw Sadarius Smith play after coming in that same
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  Speaker 2: week he played against the Chiefs, so it seemed like
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  Speaker 2: he had a decent shot, but.
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  Speaker 1: He will not be available this week.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest surprise to me was Jacoryan Bennett, however, for
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  Speaker 2: the reasons that I outlined, But let's cruise down this list.
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  Speaker 1: Here we have AJ Brown.
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  Speaker 2: AJ Brown not playing in this game. He didn't practice
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  Speaker 2: at all this week, and it's you know, if it's
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  Speaker 2: a hamstring, and let's not forget AJ had a hamstring
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  Speaker 2: injury that plagued him in training camp and precluded him
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  Speaker 2: from playing a lot or from being able to go
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  Speaker 2: out there and have a lot of practices under his belt.
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  Speaker 2: So he won't be available this week against the Giants,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have the bye week. So with a
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  Speaker 2: hamstring injury as a wide receiver or a corner, those
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  Speaker 2: injuries can be very fickle and you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: make it worse.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to reaggravate it or make it worse.
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  Speaker 2: So he'll have a couple of weeks to nurse it
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  Speaker 2: and get back to full strength because the schedule gets
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more daunting after the bye week, and
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  Speaker 2: they'll need a healthy aj Brown to give the opposition
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  Speaker 2: all they can handle. But this week sets up to
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  Speaker 2: be a really really big game for Devonte Smith, going
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  Speaker 2: against a porous Giants secondary who isn't going to have
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  Speaker 2: Paulson Adebo their top corner, so it'll be Devonte Banks,
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  Speaker 2: Cordell Flat on the outside cornerback Drew Phillips, who I
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  Speaker 2: like a little bit playing nickel Javon Howen. Their safety
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  Speaker 2: they're starting safety is listed as doubtful, so they're kind
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  Speaker 2: of leaking oil there in the back end, and I
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  Speaker 2: think Devonte Smith should be able to reap the benefits there.
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  Speaker 2: That also means that Johan Dotson and John Metch you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to elevate to two more prominent roles and
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  Speaker 2: take on a larger role in the passing attack. Johan
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  Speaker 2: Dotson is a natural outside receiver. We'll see if he's
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  Speaker 2: able to to factor into the equation offensively more than
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  Speaker 2: he has. I certainly think that he will. Also, Darius
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  Speaker 2: Cooper was listed as questionable. He was full participant in
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  Speaker 2: his first practice back, which was Thursday, full participant on Friday,
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  Speaker 2: but listed as questionable, so he could potentially be in play.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles would have to activate him to the fifty three.
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  Speaker 2: Man roster and make a roster transaction Saturday by four o'clock,
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  Speaker 2: but he has an out side chance of playing.
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  Speaker 1: It would give them some depth.
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  Speaker 2: They also have Xavier Gibson who returns kicks and he's
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  Speaker 2: play a little receiver in the NFL as well. So
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  Speaker 2: not great from an injury perspective there for the Philadelphia Eagles,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot to consider now looking at it in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm the Eagles and there are some needs you.
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  Speaker 2: Look at cornerback, edge, offensive line depth. Those were all,
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  Speaker 2: I guess concerns, valid concerns in training camp.
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  Speaker 1: Talked a lot about it throughout the.
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  Speaker 2: Offseason, and it's still a concern right now. But if
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  Speaker 2: I had to prioritize the needs, I would say edge
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  Speaker 2: rusher has to be first and foremost, because if you
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  Speaker 2: add an edge rusher, you are now adding another player
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  Speaker 2: who can provide some pressure for one But more importantly,
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  Speaker 2: it allows the Eagles to slot some of these other
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  Speaker 2: players into roles that they're more ideally suited. And maybe
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  Speaker 2: ja loox Hunt doesn't have to rack up a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of snaps.
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  Speaker 1: The game and he's you're able to alleviate some of that.
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  Speaker 2: Same goes for Nolan Smith when he returns, which should
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  Speaker 2: be some time in November. The way that he plays
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  Speaker 2: the game very physical, he's had the triceps, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to play as much if you add another
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  Speaker 2: player at that position. And we'll see what happens with
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  Speaker 2: the Zizo Jalari. We talked about the hamstring injury for
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  Speaker 2: aj Brown. That's an injury that can linger, and it
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  Speaker 2: does typically for athletes. But I would put edge one.
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  Speaker 2: Offensive line depth would be number two for me because
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles offensive line is banged up and if any
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  Speaker 2: of those guys are unable to go, they don't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: have a wealth of options in terms of who they
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  Speaker 2: can plug in to give you competent play there. And
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: for if you can't block up front, you can't play out,
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  Speaker 2: you can't run your offense. They have Fred Johnson, they
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  Speaker 2: have Brett Toth, they have Matt pryor their veteran suwell
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  Speaker 2: A Peta play a lot of football for the Eagles,
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight games, ten starts.
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  Speaker 1: He's on the practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't put it past the Eagles, who prioritize
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: depth in the trenches, if that was a position that
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  Speaker 2: they would go after. And remember, you can be aggressive
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: and you can seek out help, but it takes two
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  Speaker 2: to tango. There's going to be a lot of other
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  Speaker 2: teams who were seeking help to.
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  Speaker 1: Fortify their roster.
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  Speaker 2: With so much parroty in the NFL, there's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams that are definitively out of it, so
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  Speaker 2: it might make for an interesting trade deadline. And then
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  Speaker 2: lastly for me, and it might be a surprise to
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  Speaker 2: some of the listeners, it would be cornerback. So cornerback
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  Speaker 2: is it's still a need, but you can get by
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  Speaker 2: in my estimation, with those three players who I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: at the top of the show, because if you add
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  Speaker 2: to your pass rush group, that will alleviate pressure from
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  Speaker 2: your back end. And they already traded for Jaquorian Bennett.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many more times you can add
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  Speaker 2: another corner And then you're asking them now to learn
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  Speaker 2: a complex position in a scheme that demands a lot
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  Speaker 2: of their secondary play, particularly safety, but corner as well.
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  Speaker 2: So then you have to wonder when would they be
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  Speaker 2: available and up to speed enough where they can help
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  Speaker 2: the defense. And by that point it could be two
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: or three weeks. So that's the way that I would
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  Speaker 2: slot it right now. I've gotten also asked a lot
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: of questions about Willy Lampkin. Willy Lampkin the offensive lineman
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  Speaker 2: out of North Carolina who was.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles, or i should say, of the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: He was acquired via waivers during cutdowns, but he was
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  Speaker 2: put on injured reserve he suffered a preseason injury. The
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  Speaker 2: Eagles claimed him in a savvy move because they were
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  Speaker 2: intrigued with him, and now there's no pressure for him
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  Speaker 2: to play.
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  Speaker 1: He can recover on injured reserve. He can be in
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  Speaker 1: the meetings and.
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  Speaker 2: He can be around the building and they can work
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  Speaker 2: with them, so he can get a lot of those
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  Speaker 2: mental reps, which is gonna be really important. But I
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  Speaker 2: have seen Willia Lampkin out on the practice field. He's
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  Speaker 2: working out with the other injured offensive lineman, Cam Williams
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  Speaker 2: and Miles Hinton, but there hasn't been any talk of
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  Speaker 2: him having his window open or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: I see Willie in the locker room here and there,
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  Speaker 2: so when I think of it, if I get a chance,
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  Speaker 2: I will be sure to ask what the progress is
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: since I've gotten a lot of it questions about it,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: and I really like this tape. Coming out of college,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: he had a good preseason. That's somebody that should help
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: the Eagles, not necessarily sure if that's in the immediate future,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: but right now he's injured. He's still on injured reserve,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: but I have seen him work on a side field
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: with other injured players. And then there's Drew Kendall, the center,
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  Speaker 2: who I have also gotten questions about. He was active
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: for just one game. I believe it was the Giants
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  Speaker 2: game when they didn't have Landon Dickerson, and he played
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  Speaker 2: three special team snaps, so he hasn't really factored all
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  Speaker 2: that much into the offensive plans, nor did I really
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: expect him to even as a reserve lineman on game day.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: He can play guard as well, but he's really a
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: center by trade, and just Sallin typically doesn't like to
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: play rookie lineman, and especially when you have Brett Toath,
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  Speaker 2: who's played a lot of football and he's been around
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  Speaker 2: a while, he's wise. It just never felt like it
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  Speaker 2: was a legitimate possibility that Drew Kendall would get an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity here. Now he probably will be active Sunday because
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  Speaker 2: of Cam Jurgen's not being up this week. But there's
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  Speaker 2: sort of my updates on everything, uh, just everything that's
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  Speaker 2: top of mind right now.
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  Speaker 1: This has been to czech odally.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Andrew to check O and I'll talk to everybody
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday after the game.
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  Speaker 1: Have a good one.