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NBA Stars Who Need a Fresh Start: Ja, Zion, LaMelo, Klay & We TRY To Fix the Hornets · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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  what's up everybody welcome to fanatically speaking
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  i'm kent i'm log off i'm the log off legend and
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  uh we're here to say everything that every fan
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  is thinking but louder and probably a little
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  crazier get ready this is fanatically speaking
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  with kent and log off you know what's funny like
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  i don't hate i don't i'm not a social media hater
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  i'm a social media I don't want people to think
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  that I get on the internet and start hating people
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  on social media. That's not what I do. The first
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  half was absolutely, absolutely horrible. You
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  know, just inept offense, inept defense, special
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  teams, you name it. I'm going to turn into Oprah.
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  Why were you so angry? He sucks this season.
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  This game, whatever, whatever's going on, right?
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  And then in the very next pitch, guess what?
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  They double Homer. And he's like, told you that.
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  Why are you always knocking down people? Listen,
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  you got the highs and the lows. Yeah, so I knew
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  that. You need the highs and the lows. So I do
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  that, yeah. I'm trying to be the voice of reason
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  here. I am what I am. All right, what's up, everybody?
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  Welcome to another episode of Fanatically Speaking.
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  I'm Kent, co -host and promoter. I am Log Off,
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  the Log Off legend, the hater of social media.
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  I'm the co -host and producer of the show. All
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  right. So today, the topics we're going to jump
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  into are players in the NBA that we would like
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  to see traded or could be traded. We think can
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  be traded. We'd like to see traded. We're also
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  going to hit into teams. That we'd like to see
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  win a championship that are not our home team
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  or a favorite team and then always fun topic
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  Yeah, so alright, so but for the first one you
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  said players That we want to see traded and we're
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  talking about this season though, correct? So
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  not like, you know, two three years from now
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  like no, no, no This is like like fortune forecasting
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  for teams like we're looking I'm looking I looked
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  at some guys who were kind of stuck on rosters
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  or the team is going nowhere and I'm like, yeah
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  this guy should be you know, somewhere else or,
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  or it's just kind of run as course. Um, okay.
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  So I think that, I think they should be traded
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  or again, uh, they could be traded. Okay. All
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  right. Now some of these guys, you know, are
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  going to be obvious. I'm pretty sure some of
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  them will kind of come out of nowhere for some
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  people, but who stuck out to you the most in
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  terms of who you think should be traded and why.
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  So so I'm gonna get to first. I'm gonna start
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  with a couple of high profile names, okay? So
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  recent we one we've talked about another we kind
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  of dabbled But he's been in the news lately For
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  four different reasons with his team. So Zion
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  Williamson John Moran they came into lead together
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  Joss has some success Zion is a beast when he
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  plays Now John having trouble with his team with
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  the coaching staff with management. They've suspended
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  him He obviously had his off the court issues
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  last year the last few years But but a star and
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  has the talent both have the talent But those
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  two stuck out at first because I'm like they
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  need a they need a change of scenery Well, Memphis
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  has no idea what they're doing anyways with their
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  basketball team trading away guys firing coaches
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  five games before the playoffs And then wondering
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  why they have issues already this season with
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  their star player. Okay. All right. Okay. What
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  do you, so in terms of John Moran, now is this
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  just because of the, the coaching issues with
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  his new coach and you know, the, I mean, I kind
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  of hate diminishing it to knucklehead behavior,
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  but you know, he was suspended by, by the Grizzlies.
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  you know there was some some issues about whether
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  or not he wasn't put being put in games in certain
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  situations had his minutes kind of cut but you
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  know saying that he wasn't playing hard and then
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  people put some stuff up on the internet how
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  they do where they did a super cut of him in
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  a particular game where you know he lets a guy
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  blow by him you know he's not you know hustling
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  back on defense but so changing and putting him
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  on a different team what do you think that even
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  does for him i think you put him And again, change
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  the scenery, put them in a new, have a new team
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  with a better opportunity, with a solid foundation.
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  And I'm sorry. And one more thing I'm going to
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  throw in there. I'm mad it slipped my mind. And
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  by the way, and I want to set the table for this
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  because I don't like the way this shit was portrayed
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  in sports media. Did you see the post -game interview
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  where he said that he didn't have a joy for playing
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  basketball? Yeah, I did Okay, but I want us I
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  want to set this up because I don't like the
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  way they did this shit And I don't know if you
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  caught this do you understand why he said that?
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  Like no catch why he said that no go ahead a
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  reporter asked him that question specifically
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  It was a it was a setup question So the way the
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  headlines read was something to the effect of
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  John Morant says he doesn't have a joy for playing
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  back You know what I mean, but that's not what
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  he was asked the question about it someone introduced
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  a lack of joy for a Superstar top pick in an
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  NBA, you know on an NBA roster and asked him
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  that question and that was what he said so, you
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  know I'm gonna give him I've been hard on John
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  Morant myself. I do think you know that he kind
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  of makes He thinks he makes things messier for
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  himself than he should But the last couple of
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  weeks for him, I'm not gonna put this on him
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  I think there's a lot of factors and on the whole
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  I do agree with you that I think it would be
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  better for him To get traded. I do think it'll
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  be better for the Grizzlies to go ahead and move
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  on from him I'm gonna shut up and let you go
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  ahead and finish your point. No. Yeah, so my
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  point with with Josh specifically is again They've
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  done him no favors this is not about him right
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  this is this is to me about the team again firing
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  coaches five games for playoffs trading desmond
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  bain so it's like what are you what is exactly
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  the path in the west for the memphis grizzlies
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  to win because last year they were having a good
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  season and then they said we're gonna fire the
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  coach and now you hear that they got issues with
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  the coaching staff and obviously not using Ja
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  correctly and he's your star player not putting
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  the pieces around him like you should so for
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  him it's kind of like it is what it is it happens
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  Memphis is going nowhere so I like the idea of
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  trading Ja I think you mentioned Miami in a text
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  yeah I think I mentioned I mentioned that maybe
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  Trey Young needs to be also another name on my
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  list maybe just swap Ja and Trey and say you
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  know Ja in Atlanta I like it Jai in Miami. I
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  like it. I've been hearing I see online ESPN
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  put a list together too for John It was like,
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  Minnesota They always named Sacramento. I Think
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  that was the only teams I saw I May be missing
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  I may be missing one They want to bring up Houston
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  in every trade just to add more names to that
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  team But I really like that Atlanta. But again,
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  this is this is again a more about the team The
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  Grizzlies can trade them get some value I don't
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  think they're going to be going anywhere in the
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  West anytime soon. So again, just cut ties in
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  this relationship. Let him, you know, revive
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  his career somewhere else. I like the Trey Young
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  trade only he's hurt right now. So obviously
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  they can't do anything, but I think Atlanta could
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  use some spark. Maybe it's run this course there.
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  And again, it would be a star for star trade.
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  And then the Zion is still, I don't know what
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  value get for him. But again, New Orleans, we
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  talked about them before. I don't think they're
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  going anywhere. So I don't think they're going
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  anywhere with Zion. I don't think they're going
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  anywhere without them. So it's kind of like just
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  trade them. A team will take a shot, a chance
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  thinking maybe they can one, get them healthy
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  and protect his hamstrings. And so I don't know.
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  I don't know what trade that is. But I think
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  both of them, it would be beneficial to just
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  kind of cut ties. Okay. And, um, and I'll agree
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  with that, uh, just in terms, as a fan, you know,
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  uh, that is it's in the show's name fanatic speaking.
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  So as a fan, sure, that'd be great. The last,
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  I want you to think about this. I want you to
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  think about the last trade in the NBA that you
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  can come to mind for the last star for another
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  star where the caliber of players were, you know,
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  pretty, pretty close in terms of where they were
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  at that point in their careers. Does anything
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  come to mind for you in the NBA? Luca for AD,
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  star for star. That is a good one. How did I
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  forget it? I don't know how we both forgot, but
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  it came back because the Mavericks were willing
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  to trade a superstar player who just took them
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  to the finals. If not top five player in the
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  world. And they traded them to LA for an injury
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  prone Anthony Davis. James Harden, Ben Simmons
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  trade. Okay. So it was, you know, the Sixers
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  and the Nets. Okay. So it was, you know, uh,
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  the Sixers, you know, they were able to trade
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  for Harden. bring him in. But in the other big
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  name in that trade was Ben Simmons, number one
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  overall pick. Now, Ben Simmons fell off a cliff
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  after that, we know. But at that time, he was
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  still number one overall pick, you know, six,
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  seven, six, eight, you know, could pass, couldn't
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  shoot. You know, he had some kind of some issues
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  whether or not you didn't know what type of player
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  he was going to be. But we all thought he had
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  potential. Just looking at the list, you're looking
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  at the Desmond Bain trade. You know, had four
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  first round picks in it. Yeah. You know, the
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  Rudy Gobert trade had five picks have had, you
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  know, first round picks all over. Everybody was
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  like, wait, wait, Rudy Gobert is going for that
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  many picks, you know, to go to Minnesota. Yeah.
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  Michael Bridges. Same thing. You know, Brooklyn
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  to the Knicks. I can't I don't even think I can
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  name any players who were in that trade off the
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  top of my head. And then there's one more that.
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  that's good oh and then the katie trade you know
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  to the sons what about the houston the houston
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  one too but i mean but who did he who is he traded
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  for well i mean jalen green would be the biggest
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  name that's what i mean and it's like we're not
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  in the star yeah they're not on the level of
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  john moran trey young There you go. That's what
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  I mean or or it's something that we like you
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  said it We were talking about in the text when
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  I said John Moran and I said John Moran for Tyler
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  hero Those are names that you know, right? Yeah,
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  you can and if you want to be honest you get
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  I know you'd probably rather have John Moran
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  But Tyler heroes a hell of a player too. Yeah,
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  I just don't I don't know I don't know if Miami
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  will trade him Probably not but not even for
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  John not even for John. I mean, I mean I would
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  Well, no, we would we would I'm just thinking
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  about Miami and their system and you know that
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  heat culture that I don't know if they would
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  but But again in I like Atlanta for job, but
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  And again and again, I think last year I heard,
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  you know lamello for job Yeah, well and that's
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  the thing I mean and I think I think they're
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  both about the same caliber a player both athletic
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  guards Both of them could get you a bucket You
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  know, obviously one of them has a you know, John
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  Morant has a better track record of winning Yeah,
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  you know and that's just not something that LaMelo
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  has but and of course Josh had has an injury
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  history, too So it's a roll of the dice on those
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  two players Okay, so other names that I'd like
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  to see traded or or not Well, they could be some
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  some of our big names pretty big names But some
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  are not some are just kind of they're young and
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  they're they're lost on teams They're either
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  not getting to play or or they're just on bad
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  teams So I got different reasons one is Dalton
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  connect For the Lakers if you if you notice and
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  watch Look at their their games. Look at those
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  box scores. He's not getting a lot of minutes.
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  He's got a lot of talent showed a lot of promise
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  last year. He got traded to the Hornets and then
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  that got nullified. So back in LA. Lucas back
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  this year healthy well, somewhat healthy. He's
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  back and forth. Austin Rees is playing well.
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  They went got Marcus smart, so don't connects
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  kind of lost his spot in LA. So they're playing
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  really good basketball. They're gonna get LeBron
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  back I think if they would again trade Dalton
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  connect to a team that could use him maybe even
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  Charlotte You know give him a chance to to to
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  play like he was playing last year, but get the
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  playing time I'm just gonna rattle off a few
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  more names. No, don't that's a great one. I've
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  got some notes on him Cam Thomas is another one.
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  Nobody wanted to give him a contract this season.
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  So he took like Not a minimum deal, but he took
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  a really low number to stay a team, a team, a
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  team, healthy, friendly. Yeah, I got you in Brooklyn.
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  Dude can score. He can ball. The nets are going
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  nowhere. Trade him somewhere so he can maybe
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  get a different deal, different team. I don't
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  know that they will. I would just like to see
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  him on a on a on another team. I think he could
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  help someone else. And then a couple of veterans.
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  One may surprise you, one may not. I don't know.
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  One guy's gotten traded a lot. I don't want to
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  see him in Portland as Drew Holiday. I don't
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  think that team's really going anywhere. I know
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  they're playing well right now, but I think you
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  plug him on a team that has a shot, that just
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  catapults them to the front. And then the other
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  - He's a difference maker. He might be like at,
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  like at - As a as a as a true true NBA fan, I
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  love that guy as a player. Yeah, it is an impact
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  player and I agree with you. If you put him on
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  a team that's right on the cusp. Yeah, I think
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  he's enough to put them over the edge. That's
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  that's a great name and the Blazers would get
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  value. They would get value for him, but I mean,
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  but he's also older. And he's moved around a
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  lot. I kind of want that dude, I kind of want
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  him to sit still for a bit. I know it's in the
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  job to kind of get bounced around as an older
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  player, I know, but he's played for a lot of
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  teams, man. He's played for a lot of teams. And
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  I'm going to be honest, I didn't look up what
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  he's got left on the contract. I know he gets
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  paid pretty well. That's why the Celtics traded
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  him. So there would be some stuff to be moved
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  around, but... The other name I got and now this
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  dude's not even starting and this team is playing
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  really bad And they've done it to themselves
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  even with the top pick of the draft, but the
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  Dallas Mavericks clay Thompson Like okay. He's
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  doing nothing there now. He's coming off the
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  bench Again, plug him on the Lakers plug him
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  on the Rockets plug him on back to Golden State
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  I don't care plug him on a team that has a shot
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  Dallas is going nowhere. I know we're going to
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  get Kyrie back, but again, Anthony Davis always
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  hurt. And again, they did it themselves. They
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  traded, uh, again, a top five player in the world
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  in Luca and now clay don't even start. So I would
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  like to see clay Thompson somewhere else. That's
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  my list. I'm done. Okay. Um, a great list and
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  all right, so I'm just going to fly through those
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  one by one. Um, good names. I've dude, I'm biased
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  man. Cause I love the league, man. I've, I know
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  there's not, a ton of, you know, super diehard
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  NBA fans. And I feel like that's what this episode
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  is because, but, but I, but I love, but I love
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  this shit, man. So let's dive into it. Okay.
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  So Dalton connect great player, a lot of potential,
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  super young. Here's why he's not going to be
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  traded from the Lakers because he does have that
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  potential. He's on a super cheap contract and
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  LeBron's probably only going to play one more
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  year at most. So why would you move him? I don't
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  think that the Lakers, now I do think, huh, okay,
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  what's the best way for me to word this? I do
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  think that JJ Reddick as their head coach is
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  trying his hardest to win a championship this
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  year. I don't think the Los Angeles Lakers as
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  an organization are, I just don't. Meaning, if
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  they had an opportunity to make the moves to,
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  I mean, you saw who they traded, they traded
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  AD for Luka. because they wanted a star that
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  could extend their longevity. I don't think they're
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  really trying to win over the next couple of
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  years. They're trying to win for the over the
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  next four or five, six years, if that makes sense.
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  OK, yeah. And I think that Dalton Connect as
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  a fantastic player who's actually really good
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  in all aspects of the game. He's not great in
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  anything. We know he can score, but he's an above
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  average defender, above average rebounder, above
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  average passer like he's really good. Across
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  the board and I think getting him cheap and keeping
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  him there Helps, you know, and I'm just gonna
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  throw this out there. He's white. It's rare He's
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  a he's a really really good white player in LA
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  coupled with Luca I mean it just is what it is.
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  I mean, I've you know, I'm not making this up
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  Yeah, I think that I think that helps him. So
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  I don't think they move him I think they'd rather
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  just keep him there and say hey man young fella.
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  Your time is coming Cam Thomas is a great pig
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  He I do I would like to see him moved and get
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  some stability I'd like to see him on a team
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  with a really good coach that helps him develop
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  better as a player and And keeps him as because
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  right now he's kind of fringe where like if you
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  were to ask any NBA fan Hey, it's cam Thomas
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  a starting player in the in the NBA. I think
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  you'd get 50 % Yes 50 % No because it's one of
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  those where it's like he's capable of coming
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  off the bench and being a contributor, but he
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  has starting player talent. Is that fair to say?
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  Duke drops 40 in games. I mean, I understand
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  that, but so did Jamal Crawford who came on the
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  bench. So, so, so I would, you know, and, and
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  there's going to be some players like that. And
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  I think that's a great comp for him. Jamal Crawford
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  was one of those guys where it's like, yeah,
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  he had, he had his times in his career where
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  he started. It was like, nah, man, we want you
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  to come in and run this second unit and give
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  us 27 tonight. and he was capable of that. So
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  I would like to see him moved to whom, to where,
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  that's more a matter for the teams to figure
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  out. I think we talked about this before in the
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  NBA and Jalen Rose has a great quote about this.
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  He said, in the NBA, you got to understand you
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  don't trade players, you trade contracts. It's
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  money for money. It's not necessarily about player
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  or caliber or player for player, but I'll let
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  that part go. Drew Holliday, selfishly, I don't
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  want to see Drew Holliday traded because of what
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  I know about Drew Holliday and him outside of
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  basketball. I'm not sure if you know his family
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  situation. His wife is a cancer survivor. They've
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  got young children. I like to see him. He was
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  in New Orleans for years, but you know, Philly,
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  New Orleans, Milwaukee, Boston for a couple of
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  years. And then now he's having a cup of coffee
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  in Portland. I think that was there just to kind
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  of as a placeholder because they acquired Dame
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  as well. So just to kind of keep the cohesion
• 20:40
  there and help develop another young team. He's
• 20:43
  really good for that locker room. So part of
• 20:46
  me, I think that there is I'd like to see him
• 20:49
  stay at a place where he can kind of close out
• 20:52
  his career and not be moved around a lot because
• 20:55
  he is such a benefit to an organization like
• 20:57
  that. But yeah, if you put them on a team, like
• 21:01
  if you put them on a team, like, I mean, I know
• 21:03
  you don't like the this particular team because
• 21:06
  of the reasons, but if you put them up on Houston.
• 21:09
  Oh, yeah. He makes it better overnight. Yeah.
• 21:12
  You know, just just because of his leadership
• 21:14
  ability. And that's another guy who always plays
• 21:17
  hard. Now, let's go ahead to your boy, Klay Thompson.
• 21:22
  So I think, I think we're all looking at Klay
• 21:25
  Thompson from a lens that we've seen him at his
• 21:30
  best. I don't know if it's the injuries. I don't
• 21:34
  know if it's the basketball equivalent of the
• 21:37
  yips, but we actually saw this for him his last
• 21:42
  year at Golden State as well, where I want to
• 21:45
  say he started off a season where he just couldn't
• 21:48
  make a three. He just couldn't get a basket.
• 21:54
  And I think it got to the point where he went
• 21:56
  a stretch where he just couldn't, he wasn't making
• 21:58
  shots and the crowd in Golden State literally
• 22:02
  had to cheer him to make a basket. And I want
• 22:05
  to say he made a basket and they knew how hard
• 22:07
  it was on him and he got a standing ovation.
• 22:10
  You know, after coming back from horrible injuries
• 22:13
  as an aging player, I know he's talented. And
• 22:17
  I know that he can play, but it's just hard to
• 22:22
  say what you're gonna get from Clay because he
• 22:25
  was the number two. He was the pippin on that
• 22:29
  team. He was the pippin to Stephen Curry's Jordan.
• 22:33
  And I don't know if he's capable of it. And I'm
• 22:40
  not trying to diminish everything he's done.
• 22:41
  He's older. He's closer to 40 than he is mid
• 22:44
  -30s. For sure. And I want, I would like to see
• 22:48
  him go somewhere where he can, you know, still
• 22:51
  flourish as a player. I don't know if he's capable
• 22:54
  of it, Kent. Like you want to say like shoot
• 22:58
  or shoot and you know, but the athleticism that
• 23:01
  he had, he doesn't have it anymore. Clay Thompson
• 23:04
  was one of the better defenders in the league.
• 23:07
  Yeah. And I understand that anymore. I understand
• 23:10
  that. I just feel like it's kind of like with
• 23:12
  the true holiday. Maybe not as much but again,
• 23:14
  I think if you plug clay on a team that has a
• 23:17
  shot he's a piece I'm not I'm not I'm not talking
• 23:21
  I'm not saying that yeah, he hasn't diminished
• 23:23
  a little I Don't even know if he is a starter
• 23:26
  in the league anymore, but the guys they're starting
• 23:28
  in Dallas over him I know he's better than that's
• 23:31
  the thing that bothers me So I'm like man go
• 23:33
  somewhere where you can actually like if you're
• 23:34
  not starting in Denver I get it if you're not
• 23:37
  starting in LA I get it Just depends on where
• 23:40
  you go Houston I get it but like Dallas right
• 23:43
  now you just plugging in guys, whoever you want
• 23:45
  like get out of here, man Okay, so somewhere
• 23:48
  to win Okay, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna push
• 23:52
  back and then I'm gonna ask for I'm gonna push
• 23:54
  back on you Okay, and I'm gonna ask for an answer
• 23:56
  to this because I like the clay Thompson conversation
• 23:59
  because we like we know he's a star Yeah, two
• 24:03
  things one they had to number an overall pick.
• 24:05
  They got Cooper flag, man, dookie They don't
• 24:07
  want to stunt that dude's development. And if
• 24:10
  you think about it even though Cooper, I think
• 24:13
  as a talent, is clearly more highly rated than
• 24:16
  Clay, I think if his career trajectory is the
• 24:21
  same as what Clay Thompson has, you won, right?
• 24:26
  If Cooper Flagg turns into what Clay Thompson
• 24:28
  was, you win, right? So they're trying not to
• 24:32
  stunt his development. But you're saying they're
• 24:34
  throwing guys out there on the floor that are
• 24:36
  better than Clay Thompson? I don't think so.
• 24:38
  I think the guys that they're playing are absolutely
• 24:40
  better than Clay because I see what his numbers
• 24:43
  are. He's not playing well. He's averaging seven
• 24:46
  points for the season. Like those are his numbers.
• 24:52
  So go ahead. I'm sorry. No, go finish. I'll say
• 24:55
  something. I'm not talking about flag. I know
• 24:57
  flag should play. No, no, no, no, no. Not not
• 24:59
  Cooper flag. No, I understand that. But what
• 25:01
  I'm saying is, is having a guy like Clay who
• 25:03
  is clearly struggling. I love Klay Thompson as
• 25:06
  a player, man. The team itself isn't great. The
• 25:12
  Mavericks aren't phenomenal. So this is their
• 25:15
  opportunity early to allow Cooper to develop
• 25:19
  young. They're taking a lot of losses. They're
• 25:22
  competitive in a lot of these games. They got
• 25:24
  to learn how to get over the hump. But Klay Thompson
• 25:27
  is struggling, man. He's not playing well. I
• 25:32
  can't say that the guys that they're putting
• 25:33
  out there who are actually producing even though
• 25:35
  it's you know, it's not great They're producing
• 25:38
  I got I've got to give those guys minutes. I
• 25:40
  have to Clay just doesn't have it right now and
• 25:43
  it's not his fault. But I mean You know, he's
• 25:47
  paid handsomely like he's and he's not producing
• 25:50
  I got you. I got you. I can't argue with so,
• 25:53
  okay So so my so the other thing I'm gonna say
• 25:55
  is and I will put a bow on clay Thompson because
• 25:58
  I like that as a topic Just give it a thought.
• 26:03
  Where would you like him to land? Just think
• 26:05
  about the structures of NBA teams now. Where
• 26:09
  do you think Clay Thompson could go today? In
• 26:13
  contribute. I think I named I I named him LA
• 26:17
  Houston. Denver. Maybe Milwaukee. Of course,
• 26:27
  I don't know why he would want to go there, but.
• 26:30
  Think plays a West Coast. Hey, he just it's never
• 26:33
  felt right him in Dallas. So either he's gonna
• 26:36
  stay in Texas maybe with Houston and Then I'm
• 26:39
  just popping off teams that at the top that he
• 26:41
  could just be be a piece Dream in a dream scenario
• 26:46
  the Warriors bring him back He would be comfortable,
• 26:50
  but you know, I mean you'd be at least comfortable
• 26:53
  there. He knows the system knows the guy so And
• 26:56
  then la's always wanted them and then just adding
• 27:00
  like, if Denver could add a piece, I don't know.
• 27:03
  But that's just off the top of my head. Okay.
• 27:07
  Out of those, I don't like any of them. Denver
• 27:13
  has the one thing and we saw it with the Russell
• 27:16
  Westbrook. um you know mismatch the culture in
• 27:19
  that and that locker room really matters you
• 27:21
  know i mean dude aaron gordon oh my god yeah
• 27:24
  like he he has been incredible you know and that's
• 27:28
  another guy who was injured you know and and
• 27:30
  came back and worked himself back his his his
• 27:33
  he's he's on the second leg of his career and
• 27:35
  it's having a complete resurgence with that team
• 27:38
  because he's such an incredible fit and you know
• 27:40
  playing with yoke playing with the joker doesn't
• 27:43
  hurt either no um I'll have to think on it, man.
• 27:47
  I don't know. I don't know what comes to mind
• 27:48
  for Clay. I don't know. He's kind of an NBA purgatory
• 27:51
  right now, not playing well. And I don't see
• 27:54
  where, where he fits, but, but the names you
• 27:58
  mentioned, like Houston, I mean, it wouldn't
• 28:01
  be terrible, but that's another team that has
• 28:05
  high expectations. And I don't think you want
• 28:07
  to bring in a player like that who's clearly
• 28:10
  struggling and has to, you know, he has to get
• 28:12
  over a hump. Yeah, and and and the other thing
• 28:16
  lastly is they'll he's he's paid a lot of money
• 28:19
  true And they've already got Katie who's taking
• 28:21
  up a lot of their salary cap So unless they can
• 28:24
  figure out a you know Steve Ballmer Kawhi Leonard
• 28:26
  Clippers Aspiration to pay him off the books
• 28:29
  situation. I don't see yeah, I just don't see
• 28:32
  him You know being able to fit their money wise
• 28:35
  on that team all right. I got you, but all good
• 28:37
  names I love I love all Now, I just want to bring
• 28:47
  this up because I wasn't the person to introduce
• 28:50
  this name. You brought up Lamello Ball. So let's
• 28:53
  do this shit. OK, not a secret. You're a Hornets
• 28:59
  fan. You're a local, locally born guy. So the
• 29:03
  Hornets have an attachment. You have an attachment
• 29:05
  to the Hornets that I just don't have. You know,
• 29:08
  I'm a transplant here. I love the city. I love
• 29:10
  the team, but not like you do. Right. I've been
• 29:13
  firm in my position. We've been going back and
• 29:16
  forth You know about this personally for about
• 29:18
  a year. I think they should get lamello ball
• 29:20
  out of here now I know you like him as a player
• 29:24
  and I Want to make I want to make sure I'm being
• 29:29
  as succinct as I can as to why I think they should
• 29:32
  move him Now we know that he's got an injury
• 29:35
  history a consistent injury history I don't personally
• 29:39
  like the way he plays basketball. I'm a basketball
• 29:42
  snob in that regard. I think he takes a lot of
• 29:45
  bad shots. I think at his size and his athleticism,
• 29:49
  he should be a better defender. I think that
• 29:52
  he doesn't make great decisions when you need
• 29:56
  it at the end of games. And I can couch all those
• 30:01
  subjects with the fact that he hasn't had a phenomenal
• 30:04
  team around him. So I understand that It's not
• 30:07
  just his own shortcomings. It's also the shortcomings
• 30:10
  of the team. But my case for trading LaMelo ball
• 30:14
  is simple. And I don't want to get super personal
• 30:18
  into this dude's life, but it's all news. And
• 30:21
  if you know anything about LaMelo, this is just
• 30:23
  the facts are the facts. His entire family has
• 30:28
  a history of health issues. His mother had health
• 30:32
  issues. God bless her. His father had had partial
• 30:37
  amputations, okay? His brother can't stay healthy.
• 30:42
  Lonzo Ball, number two overall pick by the LA
• 30:45
  Lakers, could not stay healthy throughout his
• 30:48
  NBA career, ankle issues. And LaMelo has the
• 30:51
  same problems, ankle issues. He was out recently
• 30:55
  with the ankle issue. You know, so my thing is
• 30:59
  he's a player that's got capital. He's got star
• 31:03
  power he's one of those players that's right
• 31:06
  on the cusp and he might be the rare nba player
• 31:10
  that's more popular on the internet and amongst
• 31:15
  young people even though he's not a superstar
• 31:20
  player in the league if that makes sense he came
• 31:24
  up on the internet therefore he's popular on
• 31:27
  the internet and that has a value that i think
• 31:30
  that you could get an incredible hall that in
• 31:35
  turn helps your team, the Hornets, long -term
• 31:39
  more than keeping LaMelo ball and just seeing
• 31:43
  how things play out. So I've said this to you
• 31:46
  before, I'm saying it on the air, you tell me
• 31:50
  what you think, and now tell me where I'm wrong,
• 31:51
  but I'd like for you to do me the favor, please,
• 31:54
  and just take your fandom out of it for a second.
• 31:58
  and just tell me whether or not what I'm saying
• 32:00
  makes sense. Because to me, it's as clear as
• 32:02
  day. So, it's really similar to New Orleans with
• 32:09
  Zion. Zion can't stay healthy. The pelicans suck.
• 32:16
  They don't really put anything around Zion. The
• 32:19
  Hornets really haven't either until... Well,
• 32:23
  I would like to think this year, but now I feel
• 32:26
  it feels like the same old story Everybody's
• 32:29
  heard on the hornets So the only thing with mellow
• 32:33
  So that's the non fandom in me saying I if you're
• 32:37
  saying that then I have if you if I say zion
• 32:40
  I gotta say mellow too, right? They're in the
• 32:43
  same situation But then I gotta go to the hornets
• 32:47
  and I gotta say look though. He's 24 years old
• 32:49
  when he's on the floor The Hornets are a better
• 32:53
  basketball team in the past few seasons. Then
• 32:58
  you have, again, he is a star. Charlotte, they
• 33:02
  don't get stars here. It's tough to trade away
• 33:05
  stars. And that would be the same argument if
• 33:07
  you're in New Orleans. You'd be like, we don't
• 33:08
  get stars. We got Zion. We can't just give them
• 33:10
  away. And the same with Mello. He is the star.
• 33:14
  He's the reason you go watch the Hornets. And
• 33:17
  then you've got Go back in history of the Hornets.
• 33:22
  We talked about this before Their draft history
• 33:26
  has not been great until like maybe recently
• 33:29
  this new this news this new organization the
• 33:32
  new people in there They're doing a better job
• 33:35
  we think But in the history of the Hornets, they've
• 33:40
  traded away stars traded away stars they kept
• 33:43
  Kimba But Kimba didn't necessarily equal wins
• 33:48
  And I guess you could say the same for Mellow,
• 33:50
  but we don't really know because LaMelo hasn't
• 33:52
  been on the floor enough. I just can't agree
• 33:57
  yet to trade Mellow. I see where you're coming
• 34:02
  from, but again, it's hard for me to separate
• 34:06
  fandom just because as a Hornets fan, being here
• 34:11
  in the city again, watching Larry Johnson leave,
• 34:14
  watching Alonzo Mourning leave, In trades watching
• 34:17
  guys Glen Rice just be here for a few years and
• 34:19
  then go I Just can't agree with it. I can't I
• 34:23
  can't sign off on it him being 24 years old because
• 34:27
  then I got to have faith in the organization
• 34:30
  Then whatever they get back for lamello that
• 34:34
  they're going to make the right pick Or get the
• 34:38
  right player Okay, so I'm gonna make a and I'm
• 34:42
  pretty good at comparison shopping. It's I like
• 34:46
  to think it's one of my better skills. There's
• 34:49
  some vast differences between LaMelo and Zion.
• 34:53
  And I know we kind of started off with that.
• 34:55
  To me, the main difference is with Zion, I think
• 34:58
  the questions all come around obviously his weight
• 35:01
  and his work ethic. You don't have that with
• 35:05
  LaMelo. We know that LaMelo tries. I have no
• 35:08
  doubt in my mind that that dude is trying. for
• 35:11
  sure he's got the we've never seen a lot of shape
• 35:13
  you know and you know injury -prone whatever
• 35:16
  i don't know where all that you know i think
• 35:18
  it's more genetic i think it's just more family
• 35:20
  history just because that's the data that i have
• 35:23
  so so so i think there's a a big comparison because
• 35:27
  there's a difference between trading for zion
• 35:29
  a guy who's had questions around do i don't even
• 35:33
  know if you heard this is it sounded like a lot
• 35:35
  And I had and I had to hear it from multiple
• 35:38
  places for me to even want to repeat this. Did
• 35:40
  you hear about the time Zion? They were out at
• 35:42
  a team dinner and he ordered a pitcher of Coke.
• 35:46
  No, he ordered a pitcher of Coca Cola. Sweet.
• 35:50
  That's the type of player that we're talking
• 35:52
  about. Yeah. A guy where and apparently no one
• 35:55
  stepped in and went, Whoa, young fella, what
• 35:58
  the hell is this? We talked about it with the
• 36:01
  with the. Oh, my goodness. The name. The Caron
• 36:06
  Butler, Mountain Dew, Kobe story, right? And
• 36:09
  Kobe had to step in and go, now up until that
• 36:11
  point, no one pulled Caron Butler aside and say,
• 36:14
  dude, you can't be drinking two liters of Mountain
• 36:16
  Dew. How was it in these times that no one pulled
• 36:19
  Zion aside and said, dude, you can't be putting
• 36:21
  this stuff in your body and be one of the top
• 36:23
  athletes in the world. We don't have those questions
• 36:26
  about LaMelo. So I'm just going to just throw
• 36:29
  that out there. I got you. But you said it. A
• 36:33
  lack of faith in the organization, I understand
• 36:36
  it. So the question is, is what is best for the
• 36:40
  organization to hold on to a player that is still
• 36:43
  young, who is reaching his better years, but
• 36:47
  everything that you've seen from him, he's gotten
• 36:50
  better. And this is going to sound like I'm contradicting
• 36:54
  myself. He's gotten better, but I haven't really
• 36:56
  seen him develop as a player. I haven't seen
• 37:00
  him really get better. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go
• 37:03
  ahead. No, I mean he's good. He's unbelievable
• 37:05
  He is good and I've talked about like he fouls
• 37:08
  too much and obviously defense He's got to work
• 37:10
  on and some of his turnovers are stupid He gets
• 37:14
  caught up under the basket and throws it to the
• 37:16
  other team. I mean that stuff drives me crazy,
• 37:18
  but He is he is that type of guard. He does create
• 37:23
  he can't finish so Yeah, I don't again. He's
• 37:28
  too good of a talent to just say yeah, we're
• 37:30
  gonna trade him Without without without some
• 37:35
  Conflict right John Marantz got conflict and
• 37:40
  LaMelo could easily He just hasn't been on the
• 37:43
  court enough to complain. See what I mean? He
• 37:47
  can't say hey guys We've changed coaches since
• 37:49
  I've been here and we've not really got to got
• 37:51
  players. What can he say? He's not on how does
• 37:53
  he know because he hadn't really played with
• 37:55
  his teammates Okay, so how long do you give him
• 38:02
  What is it going to take for you to say, yeah,
• 38:04
  OK, go ahead. Let's see if we can make a move
• 38:06
  and trade Lamello for. And again, in this hypothetical
• 38:10
  scenario, I'm giving you adequate draft capital.
• 38:15
  And I've got one example up, and I'm just going
• 38:18
  to give you the example. I'm going to use Desmond
• 38:20
  Bain as my example. Desmond Bain, guard, traded
• 38:24
  to the magic. From the Grizzlies to the magic.
• 38:29
  Ironically enough from the team that John Moran
• 38:31
  he played with John Moran. They traded him the
• 38:34
  Grizzlies got Cole Anthony KCP a Number one,
• 38:40
  I'm sorry a first -round pick and Yang Hansen
• 38:43
  three first -round picks Okay, a 26 28 and a
• 38:47
  30 and a 20 29 first -round pick swap and Then
• 38:51
  the only thing is it's a top two protected pick.
• 38:54
  Okay, so that's what they got for Desmond Bain
• 38:57
  Who my mama had no idea who Desmond Bain is.
• 39:00
  Okay, my mama knows who LaMelo ball is All right,
• 39:04
  so Just keep that in mind You're getting you're
• 39:08
  not only are you getting the player and I mean
• 39:10
  I think it's fair to say if you were to put Desmond
• 39:12
  Bain and LaMelo ball Side -by -side at a minimum
• 39:14
  you'd say they're at least as equally good as
• 39:17
  players So in terms of the basketball talent,
• 39:20
  let's just say that they're neck -and -neck Then
• 39:23
  you get the extra with LaMelo because he's a
• 39:25
  star Now what? When do you say let's go ahead
• 39:31
  and make the move? What does it take? Saying
• 39:33
  that you're gonna get a haul like that Man I
• 39:39
  got at least it's not gonna be he's got to have
• 39:41
  this season and maybe next season Okay, so this
• 39:47
  year and so two more seasons I gotta see yeah
• 39:49
  He's cuz he's gotta have he's gonna have to have
• 39:52
  some years left on the contract so teams can
• 39:55
  you know? trade for them and know they'll still
• 39:57
  have them. So yeah, yeah, maybe two more years
• 40:02
  and then, uh, and then let's see where I'm at.
• 40:06
  I'm just not ready to give up. I don't want to
• 40:07
  see stars leave Charlotte. I don't want to see
• 40:09
  them backtrack set themselves back five years.
• 40:14
  Okay. Um, I'll, I'll end it on this because I
• 40:17
  don't want to beat a dead horse and I don't want
• 40:20
  to sound like I'm trying to convince you to trade.
• 40:22
  You've got your position and I respect it. Yeah.
• 40:25
  But let's just say, I'm trying to find an adequate
• 40:30
  comp. But let's just say that a lamello ball
• 40:35
  trade includes what Desmond Bain went for. So
• 40:41
  you get a player like a Cole Anthony. You get
• 40:45
  a veteran player like a KCP that we know can
• 40:48
  contribute. You get another first round player.
• 40:53
  and then you get four first rounds. Hold on,
• 40:57
  you're telling me, would you tell me that that's
• 41:01
  enough to trade for LaMelo ball? That's a hell
• 41:06
  of a haul. It is, but you gotta have, I mean,
• 41:13
  to me, you gotta have the pieces. Like the Grizzlies
• 41:16
  could do that because they got John Morant and
• 41:19
  Jackson. Agreed. who do the hornets i mean brandon
• 41:23
  miller's always hurt and then you got miles bridges
• 41:25
  has this year and next year on his contract conkin
• 41:28
  nipple looks for real but still you don't have
• 41:31
  john moran they the grizzlies didn't trade their
• 41:34
  star they traded another guy that's a really
• 41:39
  good ball player but i don't think desmond bain
• 41:42
  is a star okay fair to say when you like like
• 41:49
  Yeah, go ahead. No, I'm saying if you trade LaMelo
• 41:52
  ball, I need more than that. I need I need a
• 41:58
  haul, you know what I mean? Five first -rounders.
• 42:01
  Okay, okay, okay. Five first -rounders and that's
• 42:03
  it? No. Okay, see what I mean? You gotta have
• 42:07
  five first -rounders and I'm greedy because I'm
• 42:11
  like you can't give away that kind of talent.
• 42:13
  So you got to give me five first -rounders. And
• 42:16
  probably, again, Cole Anthony didn't even stay
• 42:18
  with the Grizzlies, so you gotta get guys that
• 42:20
  you're gonna keep. So, you know, it doesn't have
• 42:24
  to be a veteran, but you gotta replace Mello,
• 42:26
  so you gotta give me a young guard or something.
• 42:29
  Okay. Okay. All right, so... And I like the picks
• 42:34
  better. Like I said, the organization's doing
• 42:36
  better in the draft. I mean, they're starting
• 42:37
  three rookies this year. All who are contributing,
• 42:42
  playing very good basketball. And then you Brandon
• 42:45
  Miller, I think is a good pick, but he's got
• 42:47
  to get some bulk or muscle or something and stop
• 42:50
  being hurt. Because he's out just as much as
• 42:53
  on Melo. OK, and like I said, I don't. I don't
• 42:59
  I don't disagree. I understand you want to get
• 43:03
  what you could get. If you could sell a house
• 43:05
  for a million dollars, why would you sell it
• 43:07
  for 900 ,000? I get it. But also, you're saying
• 43:12
  he's a talented player, he is good, he does have
• 43:15
  potential, but he's got the issues. And any team
• 43:18
  that's going to trade for him is going to say,
• 43:20
  hey, you're clearly looking to trade him for
• 43:23
  a reason, and this dude has an injury history.
• 43:26
  You know, it's hard to say what the future is
• 43:28
  going to look like if a, if a team does trade
• 43:31
  for them. Yeah. And, and I, and I hate to bring
• 43:34
  this up, but, um, there was a, an interview and,
• 43:38
  and it kind of hurt me to hear him say this,
• 43:40
  but there was an interview that Kevin Durant
• 43:41
  did. And actually, I actually listened to it
• 43:43
  the other day. It was on the pivot, you know,
• 43:45
  the, uh, Ryan Clark, uh, Channing Crowder, um,
• 43:49
  a podcast and great podcast. It was a really
• 43:51
  good listen, you know, to listen to KD long form.
• 43:54
  And they were talking about asking KD how long
• 43:57
  he'll play basketball because, you know, he's
• 43:59
  one of those guys that loves basketball. It's
• 44:01
  in his soul. And one of the examples he said,
• 44:06
  he said, as long as I feel like he's like, I
• 44:08
  don't mind coming off the bench. He's like, and
• 44:10
  I don't mind playing on the team as long as I
• 44:12
  feel like they're trying to win. And then to
• 44:15
  end his point, he said, but like if you trade
• 44:19
  me to Charlotte, Yeah, I think my career is over
• 44:23
  because they're not trying to win So I would
• 44:26
  like to see the franchise as a whole try to flip
• 44:30
  that narrative They have that history they have
• 44:33
  that reputation Where they're a franchise that's
• 44:37
  not serious. They're just in the league and they're
• 44:40
  a team and they got some players But they don't
• 44:42
  take basketball seriously, and I think they're
• 44:45
  historically their their track record has proven
• 44:47
  that so That's kind of the gumption that people
• 44:51
  have when it comes to the Hornets and it's going
• 44:54
  to take something to shift that around. And I
• 44:57
  don't think LaMelo ball is that I just don't
• 45:00
  because even as a player, me, I'm saying this,
• 45:04
  I don't think he takes it that seriously. And
• 45:08
  I wish he did, but I just don't think he does.
• 45:11
  Well, he's a different generation, but I'm going
• 45:14
  to go back to something you said. about him being
• 45:18
  injured in teams trading. So in this league,
• 45:23
  any team will take a chance on a guy, especially
• 45:25
  like a LaMelo ball. Again, young. Curry was injured
• 45:29
  early in his career. I always bring up Curry.
• 45:32
  You know, Stephen A said he had tissue paper
• 45:34
  for ankles. He does. So look what he turned out.
• 45:38
  Look what he turned out to be. Glad the Warriors
• 45:41
  didn't give up on him. That's kind of the mindset
• 45:43
  I have on LaMelo is he is still young. He has
• 45:47
  so much talent. And to come back to your point
• 45:51
  on guys not wanting to come to Charlotte because
• 45:53
  of the team. That's another reason not to trade
• 45:55
  him because he's here. He likes it here. He likes
• 45:57
  Miles Bridges. It looks like he likes his teammates.
• 46:02
  Everything, again, no conflict. So why get rid
• 46:05
  of your star player with no conflict? He's here.
• 46:09
  You drafted him. You don't get too many guys
• 46:12
  in the draft. We don't get too many good players
• 46:14
  in Charlotte. Free agents don't want to come
• 46:17
  here. So that's my that's that's it for me. I'm
• 46:20
  done with it I'm gonna throw out unless you got
• 46:23
  one more thing. No. No, you know what I and we
• 46:26
  don't We typically don't do this when we've and
• 46:31
  I think this out of all of the episodes we recorded
• 46:33
  I don't think we've ever really flipped and changed
• 46:38
  how we were going to like we have our rundown.
• 46:42
  Yeah segments of what we're gonna do and And
• 46:45
  what I what I'd like to do is I'd like to end
• 46:48
  this segment and go into another one because
• 46:50
  and I'm and I'm and I because I love this conversation
• 46:53
  and I like Okay, I I like your passion about
• 46:56
  the Hornets and and I'm and I'm leaning on that
• 46:59
  because I don't have it and We've mentioned we
• 47:03
  talked about this before. I love this city, man.
• 47:05
  I love Charlotte this is i'm not from here but
• 47:08
  this is home to me and nothing makes me feel
• 47:11
  better than watching local sports franchises
• 47:13
  do well it's an energy in the city that's a measurable
• 47:17
  i've never experienced that in my life and i
• 47:18
  love it what i would like to do is in this segment
• 47:22
  go to another segment where we do what we can
• 47:24
  to try to come up with a hypothetical of how
• 47:26
  to fix the hornets and change the culture Want
• 47:30
  your input on it because you've been here you
• 47:31
  we don't have to go into the past so much Let's
• 47:34
  talk about what we can do in the future Realistically,
• 47:37
  okay to help the hornets. Is that something you
• 47:40
  want to do? Are you okay? Just flipping it? Yeah,
• 47:41
  and just saying hey, let's just let's just go
• 47:43
  hornets heavy You started off with the trades,
• 47:46
  but but I want to do it just to see what we can
• 47:48
  come up with How you feel about it? Yeah, that's
• 47:51
  fine. I have more names, but we can talk about
• 47:53
  them later Okay, then let's do this All right.
• 48:03
  This is the second time, the same episode, I'm
• 48:06
  going to ask you to take your emotion out of
• 48:09
  it. All right. I know I'm, I'm, I know I'm, I'm
• 48:14
  asking you to be eight foot tall. I know, I know
• 48:16
  I'm asking you to do something totally out of
• 48:18
  your element, but, but I, but the only reason
• 48:21
  why I say that is because we have, uh, you know
• 48:26
  what, man, shout out to Kenny. Shout out to KKL.
• 48:28
  I'm gonna shout him out on the pod. The truth.
• 48:30
  The truth. Kenny the truth. He's one of the guys
• 48:35
  that I go back and forth with. Of course, you
• 48:37
  know, we've worked with Kenny for years. He's
• 48:41
  one of the guys that's always team first over
• 48:43
  players and he has his reasons for that. So I'm
• 48:47
  going and for him, his perspective on it is the
• 48:52
  team will always be there and the players are
• 48:54
  going to come and go. So I'm gonna ask you to
• 48:58
  take your fandom and just put it on your coffee
• 49:01
  table for a second Because I think that's what's
• 49:04
  needed for you to make a logical decision And
• 49:08
  how to correct and make your team better. It's
• 49:10
  gonna hurt. It's not gonna look great You're
• 49:13
  gonna get some backlash, but you got to do what's
• 49:16
  best for your team So that's the only reason
• 49:17
  why I'm asking you to do that The podcast is
• 49:20
  fanatically speaking you want to speak about
• 49:22
  this as a fan and I'm gonna let you do that but
• 49:25
  If you're going to fix the Hornets, you're not
• 49:28
  going to do it by, you know, taking your, I want
• 49:32
  to put asses in the seats. I want us to be popular.
• 49:36
  You need growth. So I'm going to ask you, what
• 49:39
  moves would you make to help this team grow?
• 49:43
  What moves would you do? You're the GM. What
• 49:46
  moves do you make? Well, here's the problem is
• 49:50
  I like the moves they made. They just can't get
• 49:54
  guys on the court That's I mean that's to me
• 49:59
  like if we if we see like Josh Green Grant Williams
• 50:03
  haven't played this season and Then we talked
• 50:05
  about LaMelo being out already three straight
• 50:07
  games at this point The Miller's been out almost
• 50:11
  the whole season. He's only played in a few games
• 50:13
  Like we got to be helped Colin Sexton just missed
• 50:16
  the game. So We got to be healthy. We don't know
• 50:19
  what this team can can do And I know what you're
• 50:23
  gonna say you're gonna say what well and I would
• 50:25
  agree with you the only piece that has value
• 50:27
  To in a trade is going to be LaMelo ball No,
• 50:32
  no, no, no, I'm not I'm not gonna say that I'll
• 50:35
  disagree Britches absolutely has value. Okay,
• 50:38
  Bridges does he's got another year, but no no,
• 50:42
  but I'm saying but bridges still he has value
• 50:45
  Miller absolutely has value But but I wouldn't
• 50:50
  trade I have trouble trading. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 50:53
  Yeah. The only reason I say that and I hate to
• 50:56
  cut you off, but the only reason I'm saying that
• 50:57
  I'm saying in terms of teams where they were
• 51:01
  someone's looking at, where you walk in with
• 51:04
  your woman and someone's going, Oh yeah, I like
• 51:06
  her. I got you. So they, they have, they have
• 51:09
  appeal. Teams are looking at the horn. It's like
• 51:11
  it's lunchtime. Oh yeah. Oh, I'd like to get
• 51:14
  a piece of lamella. Yeah. I can get, I can do
• 51:16
  something with bridges. I could do something
• 51:18
  with Miller. They they are they're coveted players
• 51:21
  even though they play for the hornets that's
• 51:24
  all i meant by that i'll go ahead i'll shut up
• 51:26
  i'll let you know no you're good so i guess i'll
• 51:29
  rephrase it i know they have those three have
• 51:31
  value correct i think i guess realistically who
• 51:36
  could they trade and i guess it would be now
• 51:38
  it would be lamello and bridges i don't think
• 51:42
  they're trading miller fair enough I agree. I
• 51:45
  don't, I mean, I don't think they're trading
• 51:46
  mellow either, but they, they like to put him
• 51:48
  in trade talks in the NBA. Like the NFL like
• 51:52
  to put AJ Brown in trade talks. So they'd like
• 51:55
  to put his name out there just to get it going.
• 51:58
  Or these, these guys who are fans of teams, these
• 52:01
  former players want them on their team. So they
• 52:04
  like to say, Oh, he should go to the Clippers
• 52:06
  or he should go to the magic or he should, you
• 52:07
  know, and I get it. But again, he's got the value.
• 52:12
  I just can't, again, I'm not going to be able
• 52:15
  to, even my fandom, if I'm looking at the Hornets,
• 52:20
  I'm gonna try to look at them from an outside
• 52:22
  perspective. If it goes south, you know, Bridges
• 52:28
  is the one that's gonna have one more year left.
• 52:31
  So I could see that trade happening before I
• 52:37
  would see a LaMelo trade. I still think LaMelo,
• 52:40
  it would take two more years. then again you
• 52:43
  have to get a hole and again I'm not confident
• 52:46
  that would fix it but maybe it will they did
• 52:48
  pretty good in the draft this year like I said
• 52:50
  so I don't know what else to do to fix them except
• 52:54
  get better trainers get a better training staff
• 52:58
  I don't know because the guys just keep getting
• 53:01
  hurt every single year, every single season.
• 53:03
  We don't know what this team can be because we
• 53:07
  can't get a full roster out there. I would at
• 53:09
  least say, like we talked before, at least this
• 53:11
  year we don't have a G League roster outside
• 53:14
  of KJ Simpson getting on the court. But got a
• 53:18
  lot of rookies playing. They got three rookies
• 53:20
  starting at the moment with the guys being out.
• 53:23
  But even then they're still starting at least
• 53:25
  one to two rookies a night. and then getting
• 53:27
  another, you know, McNeely getting off the bench
• 53:29
  too. So they're consistently playing four rookies,
• 53:33
  but we don't know what, if that's going to be
• 53:35
  the case going forward when Green comes back,
• 53:37
  when Williams comes back, when Miller and Ball
• 53:40
  all are out there active, if that ever happens
• 53:43
  this season. So that's all I got. I don't know
• 53:48
  what else to do to fix them. As an organization,
• 53:51
  I think they're trying. I think new ownership.
• 53:55
  management are trying I Like Charles Lee as a
• 53:59
  coach as a person he seems cool Seems like he's
• 54:03
  got his head straight seems like you know, but
• 54:05
  we got to see results But he's got to have the
• 54:07
  players on the court to see those results Everything
• 54:11
  about them they're doing great Yeah, I don't
• 54:15
  know what else to say yeah, okay It's it's time
• 54:22
  it's time for the tough talk, man. It's time
• 54:26
  for you and I to have this really hard conversation,
• 54:31
  friend to friend, you the homie, man. You know
• 54:33
  it. So I'm just going to ask this question. I
• 54:39
  give you this roster and they're 100 % healthy,
• 54:45
  all 82 games, man. What's their record this season?
• 54:51
  Well, I start to finish this entire team 100
• 54:54
  % healthy. What would we say? What was it? What
• 54:57
  was the win count? I told you I would like to
• 55:01
  see or thought they would get to I would want
• 55:03
  them to double their wins from last year 38 wins,
• 55:07
  okay now I and I and that was reasonable and
• 55:14
  respectable a 38 win Charlotte Hornet team God,
• 55:21
  I was about to say something so messed up. Um,
• 55:24
  you know, uh, uh, 38 when Charlotte Hornet team
• 55:29
  is, uh, it's the equivalent to dating a four
• 55:38
  out of one out of 10. If you're dating, if you're
• 55:42
  dating, she's a four that, that, so even with
• 55:46
  the moves that they made, the talent that they
• 55:49
  have, that's still not enough. That's not enough
• 55:53
  to get you over the hump. So even at their best,
• 55:58
  that's the best that they could do. And again,
• 56:01
  it's a fair comparison. I think 38 is absolutely
• 56:04
  realistic in this Eastern Conference, where you
• 56:08
  got a lot of teams that are out, which is rare.
• 56:11
  You got some teams making some research. I mean,
• 56:13
  you see Philly's playing well. uh boston's taking
• 56:16
  a step back because of the tatum injuries um
• 56:19
  you know yanis is having to go nuts every night
• 56:21
  just for for milwaukee to get wins the eastern
• 56:25
  conference atlanta you talk about you know trey
• 56:27
  young being injured like miami's struggling there's
• 56:30
  a lot of opportunities for for the hornets to
• 56:32
  take a a jump up yeah and even with all that
• 56:37
  that's still probably the best that they could
• 56:39
  do so They've got new ownership. Jordan sold
• 56:43
  the team, they got new ownership coming in. New
• 56:46
  coaching staff, you wanna talk about training
• 56:48
  staffs and all that, that's fine. I wanna see
• 56:53
  the Hornets do well, man. I think their best
• 57:01
  bet to become a serious franchise is to outsource
• 57:08
  - all the talent that they have in the front
• 57:13
  office at the top. And I think they need a complete
• 57:17
  culture change. And this is gonna sound ridiculous,
• 57:21
  but I think this is the only way that you make
• 57:23
  the Hornets a credible franchise is to go out
• 57:28
  and buy credibility. You go get top tier everything.
• 57:34
  You go to Golden State. You go to Miami. and
• 57:39
  you just poach them for all their talent. You
• 57:41
  pay whatever it costs. You go to the top coaches
• 57:47
  in the league and say, Hey, what is it going
• 57:50
  to take for you to come here and be a coach of
• 57:52
  my organization and run my team for me? You go
• 57:56
  to a Spolstra. I hate to say this. You go get
• 58:00
  yourself a Doc Rivers. You go get a guy who knows
• 58:03
  what it's like to get a team to the next level.
• 58:08
  I think that's what you have to do. You're not
• 58:12
  going to be able to have these people aren't
• 58:13
  going to come to you voluntarily and you clearly
• 58:16
  don't have a structure to be able to develop
• 58:19
  it on your own. So what do you do? You couple
• 58:22
  yourself with the people that you know know how
• 58:25
  to do it at a high level. You know you go get
• 58:28
  yourself a Maury who can you know who can you
• 58:31
  know recruit players and bring players in whatever
• 58:34
  it cost. If you want to turn things around, that's
• 58:39
  what it's going to take for you at the top. Forget
• 58:42
  the players on the field. I mean, the players
• 58:44
  on the court. Forget that. Throw that out. That's
• 58:46
  not going to help you. It's got to be a culture
• 58:49
  shift where guys come in and know, Hey man, this
• 58:50
  is a serious basketball organization. We're not
• 58:54
  just some team, you know, you know, in North
• 58:56
  Carolina, you know, that it's got some flashy
• 58:59
  colors and LaMelo ball, a player that's, that's,
• 59:02
  you know, popular on the internet. I know what
• 59:04
  sounds unlikely. But that's what, you know, other
• 59:08
  teams, you know, that have had, you know, that
• 59:10
  have got new owners. I mean, you saw what the
• 59:11
  Mavericks did when they got a new owner. They
• 59:13
  traded Luca, traded Luca away to get AD. You
• 59:17
  know, you saw a Phoenix, the sons, they bought,
• 59:21
  got new ownership in. The first thing they did
• 59:22
  was, Hey, we're going to go get Kevin Durant.
• 59:24
  They went to play her out, but they also were
• 59:27
  well -structured organizations before that took
• 59:29
  place. And that's what the hornets have to turn
• 59:32
  themselves into. first. I'm not just going to
• 59:34
  put this on the players. I'm putting this on
• 59:36
  the people who not only have all the money, make
• 59:39
  all the money and make all the decisions. Their
• 59:41
  decisions have been made, have been made poorly
• 59:43
  for decades. And I think they have to do a complete
• 59:47
  total culture shift. And that's the only way
• 59:50
  you turn the tide and turn things around. Am
• 59:52
  I crazy? You're not crazy. And I think again,
• 59:56
  we don't know yet about this new ownership. It
• 1:00:00
  seems like they're They are, I think they are
• 1:00:02
  serious about basketball, but you're saying they
• 1:00:05
  need to make a shock. And it's funny you talk
• 1:00:07
  about, I just want to bring this up because I
• 1:00:10
  saw Jay Williams do these, does these videos
• 1:00:13
  now, and he did one on Jordan and about people
• 1:00:17
  calling him a bad owner. I don't know that Jordan
• 1:00:21
  was trying to win basketball games as an owner.
• 1:00:26
  He actually Made business wise he was a great
• 1:00:30
  owner and I forgot all the numbers Jay Williams
• 1:00:32
  spit spit out But the way what Jordan made and
• 1:00:36
  the decisions he made by switching the Bobcats
• 1:00:38
  to the Hornets Any kind of money that came in
• 1:00:43
  and again This was because he wasn't spending
• 1:00:45
  money on the players in the court putting a good
• 1:00:48
  product on the court But then selling the team
• 1:00:51
  based off of what he paid for the team so And
• 1:00:56
  that and that's a different. It's kind of I want
• 1:00:58
  to mix this in here because now this ownership
• 1:01:01
  seems like they're trying to win. You know, good
• 1:01:04
  draft, good players, good core veterans, young
• 1:01:07
  guys, decent young coach. But you're saying and
• 1:01:12
  I can agree with this like and I was OK. I think
• 1:01:14
  I said this. We talked about this before to Doc
• 1:01:16
  Rivers. I take Doc Rivers here. I'm all about
• 1:01:19
  big names, just like when Russell Westbrook was
• 1:01:21
  on the block a few years ago. I was like I'll
• 1:01:23
  take Russell Westbrook in Charlotte. I'll take
• 1:01:26
  a big name again only team never to play on Christmas
• 1:01:29
  like yeah like the shock value not really shock
• 1:01:33
  value but you're saying just go one time can
• 1:01:35
  we just go all in big name coach and you said
• 1:01:40
  not even the players but I know you said at least
• 1:01:43
  try to get a big name player in free agency just
• 1:01:46
  throw whatever at them but you're saying just
• 1:01:49
  go all out to try to be taken serious on the
• 1:01:54
  court off the court everything make it look like
• 1:01:57
  you are trying your absolute best to to win basketball
• 1:02:01
  games not just be a successful franchise which
• 1:02:05
  a lot of times people lose track and like i said
• 1:02:07
  with jordan and a lot of sports these owners
• 1:02:10
  are about making money and making it turn into
• 1:02:12
  profit not necessarily winning championships
• 1:02:16
  of course we're not even asking for championships
• 1:02:19
  here we're just asking for relevancy and notoriety
• 1:02:24
  and some sort of success on the court, right?
• 1:02:31
  Is that what we're saying? We just want to be
• 1:02:33
  taken seriously. Like I said, hey, can you consider
• 1:02:35
  us for a prime time game? TNT, can we get some
• 1:02:38
  sort of, can we get a Christmas game? Can we
• 1:02:42
  get just something else to not be talked about
• 1:02:45
  on Levitard, you know, as a... It's just like
• 1:02:50
  you said, a team that's just out there in the
• 1:02:52
  abyss, floating in the system of the NBA that
• 1:02:55
  no one is paying attention to. My fandom is mixed
• 1:03:06
  between the actual product and the sports business
• 1:03:09
  side. We've been over this. I love looking at
• 1:03:13
  the inner workings. I see the most fans don't
• 1:03:16
  care. They don't care. they want what they want.
• 1:03:19
  They want their feel good. They want those, you
• 1:03:21
  know, those endorphin hits. But for me, what
• 1:03:24
  happens in front offices, what happens at the
• 1:03:26
  top of organizations matter. And I think if you
• 1:03:31
  go through every major American sports franchise
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  on paper, pick a sport, there isn't one that's
• 1:03:42
  taken less seriously than the Hornets. They just
• 1:03:46
  aren't, they aren't looked at as a serious sports
• 1:03:49
  franchise. And there's a reason for that. And
• 1:03:51
  that is a reputation that they have earned. Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  Okay. So what I'm saying is, is what do you do?
• 1:03:58
  How do you get yourself legitimacy? And I'm just
• 1:04:02
  gonna, I'm going to do this and take it. People
• 1:04:07
  could take this however they want to remember
• 1:04:09
  when crypto was really popping off. All those
• 1:04:13
  crypto bros, you know what they did the second
• 1:04:15
  they got that money, they went out and started
• 1:04:17
  getting credibility. I'm going to go into this
• 1:04:19
  place and I'm going to take pictures with Tom
• 1:04:20
  Brady. I'm going to take pictures with Steph
• 1:04:22
  Curry. I'm going to take pictures next to Kevin
• 1:04:24
  Durant. I'm going to be at all these games sitting
• 1:04:26
  courtside next to Kevin Hart. Who's that goofy
• 1:04:29
  guy sitting next to Kevin Hart? Oh, he paid $75
• 1:04:32
  ,000 for that court side seat. He, they went
• 1:04:35
  and bought their credibility by attaching themselves
• 1:04:38
  to people that had a name. Okay. And it worked
• 1:04:41
  for them. to the tune of billions of dollars,
• 1:04:44
  some of it fraudulent, but still billions of
• 1:04:47
  dollars. They went out and got that credibility.
• 1:04:49
  The benefit that the Hornets have is it gives
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  anyone with a reputation to come in and they
• 1:05:00
  will forever be known for turning the Hornets
• 1:05:06
  into something viable. Dude, we, the, the the
• 1:05:10
  Indiana Pacers, what they've done. They every
• 1:05:14
  era in our lifetime, they've been relevant. Every
• 1:05:18
  era, every just think about it. Every decade
• 1:05:21
  since the 80s, the 90s, 2010s, the early 2000s,
• 1:05:27
  2010s and they've been they've been and how do
• 1:05:30
  they do that? They went out and got veteran coaches.
• 1:05:33
  They went out and got veteran front office executives.
• 1:05:36
  They went and got veteran players. They drafted
• 1:05:38
  well. It was a combination of everything. No
• 1:05:40
  one's chomping at the bit to go to Indiana. There
• 1:05:43
  is no reason why the Indiana Pacers can exist,
• 1:05:47
  but the Charlotte Hornets with, and again, has
• 1:05:51
  the Pacers won a championship ever? No. Ever?
• 1:05:56
  No one would call them. the garbage. Why? Because
• 1:05:59
  they've had those opportunities. They've got
• 1:06:01
  the players and they put a decent product. They've
• 1:06:06
  functioned as a viable sports organization. I
• 1:06:11
  don't need the Hornets to be great, but you would
• 1:06:15
  have much, you Kent would have much better pride
• 1:06:18
  in your Charlotte Hornets if they have the exact
• 1:06:23
  same track record as the Indiana Pacers. Yes.
• 1:06:27
  And You know again, I'm gonna go back and I know
• 1:06:30
  we talked about the Hornets on a previous episode.
• 1:06:32
  So this will we're definitely doing a lot of
• 1:06:35
  Hornets, but They had that core they had that
• 1:06:41
  Before they left Charlotte the first time or
• 1:06:44
  the only time they left Charlotte to go to New
• 1:06:45
  Orleans the original Hornets It's been a tough.
• 1:06:49
  It's been a tough road man coming back. We know
• 1:06:52
  when they came back as the Bobcats It's really
• 1:06:54
  been a tough. What is it now? 25 years, something
• 1:06:59
  like that, since they've been back -ish, almost
• 1:07:03
  25 years. Man, if you, and again, you can blame
• 1:07:10
  this on ownership, front office, right? They
• 1:07:13
  did try, they did hire Mitch Kupchak, and it
• 1:07:17
  seemed like, but then again, I don't know when
• 1:07:20
  Jordan was on it, I don't know what all was going
• 1:07:22
  on. Yeah. I get what you're saying though. It's
• 1:07:29
  just, it's kind of sad. It's just, it kind of
• 1:07:31
  brings me down that, you know, I do always have
• 1:07:34
  this hype for the Hornets. And again, I don't
• 1:07:38
  know that there's just one thing that can fix
• 1:07:40
  them. And I know what you're saying and I agree
• 1:07:43
  with everything you said. And then I'm on the
• 1:07:46
  flip side of, we just don't know what, we don't
• 1:07:51
  know what they have on the court because of injuries.
• 1:07:54
  And then. as they're running the organization,
• 1:07:59
  again, what can they possibly do? I don't want
• 1:08:06
  to fire Charles Lee at the moment, but I get
• 1:08:09
  what you're saying is, you know, bring in a big
• 1:08:12
  name. Okay, I mean, yeah, I mean, you can say
• 1:08:15
  that, but I understand it, and okay. I don't
• 1:08:23
  want to be the person who's just firing people.
• 1:08:25
  I don't want to be that guy. But better is better.
• 1:08:29
  Better for your organization is better for your
• 1:08:32
  organization. You're a real fan, man. What you
• 1:08:38
  have for the Hornets, I wish I had in any team.
• 1:08:41
  The closest I'd have is my fandom for the Eagles.
• 1:08:44
  But even with that... If I know that there was
• 1:08:47
  a better coach that we could get, if you tell
• 1:08:49
  me I could have Andy Reed today for Nick Sirianni,
• 1:08:53
  I'll fly to Philly myself and pack up Sirianni
• 1:08:56
  shit. You know what I mean? I would. I'm just,
• 1:08:59
  I'm just being honest. So for me, better is better.
• 1:09:02
  And if it's better for the team, you've got to
• 1:09:04
  make those tough decisions. We can talk about
• 1:09:06
  cup check all we want to. I want to say cup check
• 1:09:09
  is what? Almost 80. or i don't know he's gone
• 1:09:12
  now i'm sorry let me take it back i'm gonna say
• 1:09:13
  no that's unfair cup check 71 okay so he's a
• 1:09:17
  dynasty level mba executive it's not a bad move
• 1:09:22
  but i mean there's better things that can be
• 1:09:26
  done they're not looked at seriously there's
• 1:09:29
  a reason for that and i'd rather be a middle
• 1:09:33
  of the road organization I think Indiana is the
• 1:09:36
  best comp and I know it kind of feel like I just
• 1:09:38
  threw them in there. But the only reason I did
• 1:09:40
  that is because they're a small to mid level
• 1:09:43
  market team, much like Charlotte is considered
• 1:09:47
  a lot of people in the Charlotte metro area.
• 1:09:48
  We know, but people look at Charlotte like it's
• 1:09:51
  a small city. It's not Atlanta. It's not, you
• 1:09:53
  know, it's not Philly. It's not Boston, you know,
• 1:09:56
  not LA clearly, but so there's room there. You
• 1:09:59
  can do it successfully as a small market team.
• 1:10:02
  If it's done. in specific ways. And the hornets
• 1:10:06
  just don't have it. Yeah. And I'd like to see
• 1:10:08
  them make the moves that put them in a position
• 1:10:10
  to be able to do so. So I mean, we'll you know,
• 1:10:14
  we'll see. But we'll see. We'll see what they
• 1:10:16
  do. Like you said, it's been done. OKC, Indiana,
• 1:10:19
  small market, build them up, make them relevant.
• 1:10:23
  Yes. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, it can be done.
• 1:10:30
  F -U -N. Now we're having fun. All right, so
• 1:10:34
  it's that time for our fun, random topic, and
• 1:10:37
  we're going to stick with basketball. We're going
• 1:10:39
  to go through just a couple names on both sides
• 1:10:43
  here. We're going to both talk about who has
• 1:10:46
  the ugliest shot we've ever seen in the NBA and
• 1:10:49
  who has the prettiest shot ever in the NBA. Wow.
• 1:10:54
  OK. So I want to hear your Answers because I
• 1:11:01
  do have a curve ball. I did set you up for that
• 1:11:04
  and tell you that I had a curve ball That's great.
• 1:11:06
  So and you so we're gonna let's go ugliest shot
• 1:11:10
  and then I'll give you my ugliest and then go
• 1:11:12
  prettiest and Then I and then I'll and then I'll
• 1:11:15
  hit you and then I'll hit you out of nowhere
• 1:11:16
  Okay, so sticking with Charlotte, you know Michael
• 1:11:19
  Kidd Gilchrist probably the ugliest shot I've
• 1:11:21
  ever seen in my life Not only one of the worst
• 1:11:26
  draft picks ever but also one of the worst jump
• 1:11:30
  shots. It's amazing that someone can make it
• 1:11:33
  to the NBA with that type of jump shot, with
• 1:11:37
  that type of form that you go to Kentucky and
• 1:11:43
  you get drafted into the number two pick of the
• 1:11:45
  draft and you have that shot. Like that's not
• 1:11:50
  even like Bill Cartwright. And again, we like
• 1:11:53
  to show our age sometimes. Bill Cartwright had
• 1:11:55
  an ugly shot, right? but he was a center, right?
• 1:11:59
  Shaq had an ugly shot, but he was a center. Big
• 1:12:01
  guys, we don't expect them to have pretty shot.
• 1:12:03
  We expect them to have some ugliness, bad form.
• 1:12:08
  And then you get into like Sean Marion flipping
• 1:12:12
  the ball. Oh, damn, you took mine. Oh, would
• 1:12:15
  you? Okay. You suck. Damn, you took mine. Go
• 1:12:18
  ahead. No, go ahead. I'm just popping off names,
• 1:12:21
  but you know what I mean? But MKG had like The
• 1:12:25
  the just absolute most awkward like his hand
• 1:12:29
  was like backwards Or he like shot with the back
• 1:12:32
  of his hand instead of a palm of his hand It
• 1:12:34
  was just the ugliest stupidest shot I've ever
• 1:12:36
  seen in my life and that dude played at Kentucky
• 1:12:38
  for Calipari And then made it to the NBA the
• 1:12:41
  number two pick of the draft. That's insane Yeah,
• 1:12:45
  and that's uh, well and again, it was more his
• 1:12:49
  athleticism. I mean no disrespect to him No,
• 1:12:53
  I'm just saying kind of a kind of a kind of a
• 1:12:55
  weak draft. Well, well, yeah, when it's got screwed,
• 1:12:59
  but still still. Yeah. So I I've got one and
• 1:13:07
  it is a Sean, a Sean Marion esque where to me
• 1:13:13
  your basketball form just looks unnatural. And
• 1:13:16
  I think that's I think that's more of what we're
• 1:13:18
  talking about. It's a shot where it's like your
• 1:13:19
  mechanics are just so off. that it doesn't look
• 1:13:24
  like a natural shot that you're used to seeing.
• 1:13:28
  I am gonna go with the, I believe Shaquille O
• 1:13:33
  'Neal called him the dancer. I'm gonna go with
• 1:13:35
  Cam Payne. Cameron Payne has an ugly shot. He
• 1:13:40
  does. And like when he shoots it, I'm almost
• 1:13:45
  surprised because I feel like his shot is so
• 1:13:48
  ugly. that I don't know why like a coach is like
• 1:13:50
  hey man like yeah you you can't be pulling that
• 1:13:53
  shot like you can't take that it's it's it looks
• 1:13:56
  unconventional it looks unnatural it looks like
• 1:13:58
  he's forcing the ball out yeah and so I'm going
• 1:14:01
  to go with a with a more a recent pick uh I guess
• 1:14:04
  I'll for a younger player I'll go with campaign
• 1:14:06
  it's uh yeah if I if I had that if that was my
• 1:14:10
  basketball shot I'd only shoot layups yeah and
• 1:14:15
  like you point out man with these ugly shots
• 1:14:18
  It's not I'm not saying they're bad basketball
• 1:14:20
  players or they don't have talent because basketball
• 1:14:22
  is not all about your shot It's like I said,
• 1:14:25
  it's just they have not visually appealing. No,
• 1:14:29
  it's just ugly form I'm not saying that it's
• 1:14:32
  they don't go in or sometimes go in I don't know
• 1:14:34
  but it's just a bad form and those those are
• 1:14:38
  some of the ugliest shots I've ever seen Gotcha.
• 1:14:41
  Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Who who do you have as
• 1:14:44
  a I guess prettiest shot nice form So this one
• 1:14:49
  is probably gonna come out of nowhere it's Showing
• 1:14:54
  my age a little bit but to me this player had
• 1:14:59
  a pure natural form it was it was to me it was
• 1:15:04
  as if the the shot making ability was made in
• 1:15:09
  a lab and genetically engineered for this player
• 1:15:13
  I'm gonna go with Michael Redd Oh, okay. Michael
• 1:15:18
  red was you know, he was he was taller and longer
• 1:15:22
  than people wanted to give his game credit for
• 1:15:23
  but it was it was a buttery smooth shot and His
• 1:15:29
  like and I mean just from beginning to end his
• 1:15:32
  footwork was underrated He would always square
• 1:15:35
  shoulders always square his body had fantastic
• 1:15:38
  body control Pretty follow through just a nice
• 1:15:42
  even water type flow to his shot getting that
• 1:15:47
  shot off. I've always, I was always impressed
• 1:15:50
  by Michael Reds by his shot. You know, always
• 1:15:53
  let go at the peak, snap at a risk, get the shot
• 1:15:55
  off. Yeah, that's what I was going to go with.
• 1:15:59
  Okay. It's a good one. I like it. I've got a
• 1:16:04
  few, cause you can always go with the best shooters
• 1:16:07
  like Curry, Ray Allen. They just had nice shots,
• 1:16:12
  nice smooth shots, different type of form. Glenn
• 1:16:17
  Rice, who else? I don't know that I have just
• 1:16:21
  one. I think I'm just gonna name people. No,
• 1:16:23
  you're not gonna name people. We are not gonna
• 1:16:25
  do that. I need you to give me a name. We can
• 1:16:29
  do honorable mentions all day. Look, there's
• 1:16:31
  been great shooters throughout the history of
• 1:16:33
  the league. We know that. Give me a name. I went
• 1:16:37
  with one name. Give me a name. One name? Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Prettiest shot. Man, I'm gonna go with the hometown
• 1:16:46
  guy, man. Dale Curry. Okay. All right. Mr. Fundamental
• 1:16:54
  Shot himself passed those genetics off and created
• 1:16:57
  the best shooter of NBA history, Steph Curry.
• 1:17:01
  Exactly. I think Dale had a smoother release.
• 1:17:07
  Everything shot, right? I mean, that thing was
• 1:17:10
  quick and... I'm going to go Del Curry. You made
• 1:17:13
  me choose. Yeah, you had to pick one. I'm going
• 1:17:15
  to say Del Curry. All right. So that's another
• 1:17:23
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• 1:17:25
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• 1:17:28
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• 1:17:31
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