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- 0:00Speaker 1: Yeah, fall systems do clear the lift? What's up every
- 0:36Speaker 1: one near? Aka Totag and Tambo Back for another edition
- 0:40Speaker 1: of the Takedown Breakdown, and back for the first time
- 0:43Speaker 1: this season with my Naids. I think my guy Naids
- 0:46Speaker 1: has a little bit of an echo on his side,
- 0:47Speaker 1: but he should be all good Neids. What's happening man?
- 0:50Speaker 1: We're gonna break down the week three NFL slate that
- 0:53Speaker 1: was yesterday. A lot of success that we found shut
- 0:55Speaker 1: out to our guy Sheets Hebrew. They did the Saber
- 0:57Speaker 1: series show premium show we have for all of our
- 0:59Speaker 1: members over a chiping nation, and both them had a
- 1:02Speaker 1: really good day Sheets with a huge run in the
- 1:03Speaker 1: million Maker finishing second. We'll review that shortly. But what's
- 1:06Speaker 1: going on, ma Man? How you doing?
- 1:08Speaker 2: Good? Man? Good? Happy to be back. Hopefully the mic
- 1:11Speaker 2: is good.
- 1:11Speaker 3: It jumped to my webcam for some reason instead of
- 1:14Speaker 3: my actual plugging mic here, so hopefully we're better there.
- 1:17Speaker 2: But now looking forward to to breaking this down.
- 1:20Speaker 3: Lots to talk about, obviously, when we have slates like
- 1:22Speaker 3: we did yesterday, right with a lot of backups, a
- 1:24Speaker 3: lot of backup, running back situations, things like that, there's
- 1:27Speaker 3: still ways you can play the chalk and be different
- 1:30Speaker 3: and I know one of your favorite sayings, Well, we'll
- 1:32Speaker 3: get into all of it there, but really heavy chalk
- 1:35Speaker 3: focused day yesterday, and you just need to make a
- 1:37Speaker 3: couple of pivots in different roster construction while still playing
- 1:40Speaker 3: the chalk, because you didn't need a lot of the
- 1:43Speaker 3: chalk in particular Jonathan Taylor Jordan maation, you weren't winning
- 1:46Speaker 3: anything without those two there. So looking forward to breaking
- 1:50Speaker 3: it down and excited to be back here.
- 1:52Speaker 1: Yeah, this lice and Dice, you know hit it on
- 1:54Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. You were making light of it
- 1:55Speaker 1: in the discord, but you know, everyone talking about the
- 1:58Speaker 1: Mason chalk, which we'll get to in a second and
- 1:59Speaker 1: we'll show it off and sort of review some of
- 2:01Speaker 1: the stuff. I just it always blows my mind when
- 2:03Speaker 1: people are like, this is how does the horrible chalk
- 2:05Speaker 1: get It's like, it's literally one of the best plays
- 2:07Speaker 1: on the slate. But guess how you can cut into
- 2:08Speaker 1: that is you could play them with his defense. That's
- 2:10Speaker 1: how most people got to the defense that landed on
- 2:13Speaker 1: thirty points that you ended up needing. So kind of
- 2:15Speaker 1: correlates and goes together. But if you got a thirty
- 2:17Speaker 1: five percent owned running back in the twenty dollars million Maker.
- 2:20Speaker 1: How about pairing him with his four percent owned defense.
- 2:22Speaker 1: It's the same as I always say when those things
- 2:24Speaker 1: get there and happen. Also, want to know we've got
- 2:27Speaker 1: a special guest coming on later. We've got our guy,
- 2:29Speaker 1: Tyler MN. I don't know it's Hola Halla. We'll ask
- 2:32Speaker 1: that is Halla Eman Halla. When he comes on later,
- 2:34Speaker 1: Tyler will be breaking down one of his lineups. He's
- 2:37Speaker 1: a Mastermind member and he's gonna go through sort of
- 2:39Speaker 1: his process what he thinks about. That'll be the review
- 2:42Speaker 1: process today. So excited to get him on for that.
- 2:45Speaker 1: Do you want to remind people the three for three
- 2:47Speaker 1: promo three days for three dollars ends today. Hoop had
- 2:50Speaker 1: the marketing mind out yesterday. I love to see it,
- 2:52Speaker 1: he said. You know, here's the deal. Anyone who signs
- 2:54Speaker 1: up or has signed up already for the three days
- 2:57Speaker 1: for three dollars will be entered in a draw and
- 2:59Speaker 1: this afternoon two pm Eastern when Hoop Title and myself
- 3:02Speaker 1: go live for the Battle of Hoop and I tonight
- 3:05Speaker 1: the Lions at the at the Actually, I think it's
- 3:07Speaker 1: in Yeah, it's in Baltimore, Yahs the Lions at the
- 3:10Speaker 1: Ravens so hoops team. My team will be facing off tonight.
- 3:12Speaker 1: We're gonna break that down later on today on this channel.
- 3:15Speaker 1: We are gonna be giving away a three hundred and
- 3:18Speaker 1: fifty dollars this package right here, entire through Super Bowl
- 3:21Speaker 1: with Sabersim package to somebody who took advantage of the
- 3:24Speaker 1: three for three, So should be exciting. Gonna break it
- 3:26Speaker 1: all down as usual. We're gonna start with the perfect
- 3:29Speaker 1: lineup Neids. And just of note, yesterday the twenty dollars
- 3:33Speaker 1: million maker Phil Namenon who won it, had two hundred
- 3:36Speaker 1: and thirty one points. Our guy Sheets, who we talked about,
- 3:38Speaker 1: will pull his lineup up later and some of his
- 3:41Speaker 1: stuff from the discord this morning mentioning how he got
- 3:43Speaker 1: to it. We'll pull that up in a little bit.
- 3:45Speaker 1: He finished second with two twenty eight, but the optimal
- 3:49Speaker 1: this week spent almost the fifty k. It was forty
- 3:51Speaker 1: nine to six, but it's two hundred and seventy four
- 3:54Speaker 1: point four to four. So here's the lineup, Neads. You've
- 3:56Speaker 1: got Jalen Hurts with AJ Brown, You've got Mason with
- 4:00Speaker 1: his defense. You got Jonathan Taylor, You've got Trey Tucker,
- 4:04Speaker 1: You've got Nico Collins, Hunter, Henry Courtland Sutton. That's the
- 4:08Speaker 1: perfect lineup. What's your first thoughts on this one? Because
- 4:11Speaker 1: some of this stuff matches up anyway, it makes sense.
- 4:13Speaker 3: Yeah, some of it does match up, and you can
- 4:15Speaker 3: apply it to yesterday with the spend up quarterback, Right,
- 4:18Speaker 3: what did people want to do? They wanted to spend
- 4:20Speaker 3: it about as high as what Dak Prescott, Caleb Williams
- 4:23Speaker 3: right in that low six k, the mid to upper
- 4:27Speaker 3: five K range, or punt all the way down to
- 4:29Speaker 3: guys like Wensday and Mariota. Right, So going all the
- 4:32Speaker 3: way up to the top probably one of the cheapest
- 4:34Speaker 3: prices you could have. Say you've seen Jalen Hurts at
- 4:37Speaker 3: for quite some time in a competitive back and forth
- 4:39Speaker 3: game there, and just grab a J.
- 4:42Speaker 2: Brown who's under price? Right, A J.
- 4:43Speaker 3: Brown is not going to continually go out there every
- 4:46Speaker 3: single week like everyone thinks and just score zero Fantasy points. Right,
- 4:49Speaker 3: with all the talk, the tush push everything like that, right,
- 4:52Speaker 3: you could have really got to the Jalen Hurts passing
- 4:54Speaker 3: stuff because it flipped the build. First thing I noticed
- 4:57Speaker 3: here is it's three spend up wide receivers instead of
- 5:00Speaker 3: three spin up running backs, right, which is another talking
- 5:04Speaker 3: point that we can break down when we go through
- 5:06Speaker 3: the lineup.
- 5:06Speaker 1: Right.
- 5:07Speaker 3: I thought the three spin up running backs was pretty
- 5:09Speaker 3: sharp when you were fading the chalk here, they went
- 5:12Speaker 3: to three spin up wide receivers instead of the more
- 5:15Speaker 3: popular three spin up running back build there. So that's
- 5:20Speaker 3: kind of the first thing I look at, Hunter, Henry,
- 5:22Speaker 3: how could you got there?
- 5:23Speaker 1: Right?
- 5:23Speaker 3: Well, it's a pivot off of the Jake Ferguson chalk right,
- 5:26Speaker 3: when you're not going in on that highest total right
- 5:29Speaker 3: where all the condensed ownership is there, and then you
- 5:31Speaker 3: just play you play three wide receiver ones right that
- 5:35Speaker 3: are fair priced for what their roles are, and it
- 5:37Speaker 3: flips the build there.
- 5:38Speaker 2: So that's kind of the first thing there.
- 5:40Speaker 3: And then the combination right with the slicing dice Jordan
- 5:44Speaker 3: Mason Vikings defense, right, Nobody wanted to play a thirty
- 5:46Speaker 3: four hundred dollars Vikings defense against Jake Browning, right because
- 5:50Speaker 3: oh they just saw Jake Browning put up forty points
- 5:53Speaker 3: last week, right, and him and Jamar Chase nuke de slit. Well, now,
- 5:56Speaker 3: they're going on the road into Minnesota here, and I
- 6:00Speaker 3: mean Minnesota was getting all of their defenser's defender, right,
- 6:03Speaker 3: Van Ginko was back, their safety was back. They got
- 6:07Speaker 3: a bunch of guys back on their defense that was
- 6:09Speaker 3: not there last week.
- 6:10Speaker 2: Right.
- 6:10Speaker 3: So overall, I think it's not the one of the
- 6:13Speaker 3: craziest lineups. Right, We've seen in the perfect lineup, and
- 6:16Speaker 3: you can actually make some sense to a lot of this. Obviously,
- 6:18Speaker 3: the Trey Tucker piece is just a result there, but
- 6:21Speaker 3: you could have got to him in on the other
- 6:24Speaker 3: side of Mariota lineups things like that. Right, So if
- 6:27Speaker 3: you were in that game taking a value piece there
- 6:29Speaker 3: when you're not punting, punting a tight end position for
- 6:32Speaker 3: our value, right, you use that value at a wide
- 6:35Speaker 3: receiver spot because you don't need all the value there
- 6:38Speaker 3: because you're.
- 6:38Speaker 2: Not punting both both running back positions with the chalk.
- 6:42Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna break it down a little bit
- 6:43Speaker 1: further in a second. I do see just to shut
- 6:45Speaker 1: out everybody that's joining us this morning, got go collect,
- 6:47Speaker 1: we got Sean, we got new Ones, we got Hurt,
- 6:49Speaker 1: we got Andrew, we got Ryan, got Michael. We just
- 6:52Speaker 1: got a lot of the normal crew that we're seeing there,
- 6:55Speaker 1: Oliver said, who called out Trey Tucker. Yeah, putting him
- 6:58Speaker 1: in those stacks for certain wasn't like everybody's first choice.
- 7:01Speaker 1: But I'll get to it in a second. Obviously you
- 7:02Speaker 1: had Boers and Myers that were pretty good options there
- 7:05Speaker 1: that you could move to. But there's a couple notes
- 7:07Speaker 1: on that and then a complex kidd more of my
- 7:09Speaker 1: friend's good to see you and Jimmy's here, Yo, So
- 7:12Speaker 1: awesome to see all you guys. We appreciate it. You're
- 7:14Speaker 1: just joining us or watching this on playback, do us
- 7:16Speaker 1: a favor and make sure to hit that like, we
- 7:17Speaker 1: want to keep growing this show and showing showcasing more
- 7:20Speaker 1: of what we offer at Shippa Nation and helping you
- 7:22Speaker 1: get better at the game. And this is one of
- 7:24Speaker 1: the things I would note, Like Trey Tucker also could
- 7:27Speaker 1: be a product of the stacks that he was in.
- 7:30Speaker 1: Like if you think about it, not many people were
- 7:32Speaker 1: going to Geno Smith, but people were going to the
- 7:34Speaker 1: other side of that game. So that's a way that
- 7:36Speaker 1: you could have got him in there. But here's what
- 7:37Speaker 1: I want people to notice, because it's all he's point
- 7:39Speaker 1: six percent of that's the whole point, like you could
- 7:41Speaker 1: literally delete this whole guy out of your lineup and
- 7:44Speaker 1: take a zero here, and you take a one for
- 7:47Speaker 1: me one time or a two and you end up
- 7:50Speaker 1: winning the million Maker. Still, So it's like that's what
- 7:51Speaker 1: people don't understand is like this is obviously an extreme
- 7:54Speaker 1: outlier and what was required and what ended up showing
- 7:57Speaker 1: up in those But the main point of everything else
- 7:59Speaker 1: is you could take it. You could be take a
- 8:00Speaker 1: one or two here and still win the Millimaker yesterday.
- 8:03Speaker 1: So it's it's just little ways to look at it.
- 8:04Speaker 1: The other thing, I know, people just harp on and
- 8:06Speaker 1: it's just agitating because it's like they're not getting it.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Oh but the Chalk running backs got there, I stand
- 8:12Speaker 1: no chance. Well three percent own Jalen Hurt, six percent
- 8:15Speaker 1: owned AJ Brown, two percent owned, Henry four percent own
- 8:20Speaker 1: Vikings D. Like the Chalk running backs are like the
- 8:22Speaker 1: Chalk pitchers, Like, yeah, they're in great spots for a reason.
- 8:25Speaker 1: Like if you didn't think Jonathan Taylor was better with
- 8:28Speaker 1: passing work and with everything else that he'd been getting
- 8:30Speaker 1: in a matchup against the Titans, then I don't know
- 8:32Speaker 1: what else to tell you. I mean, he was what
- 8:34Speaker 1: twenty four percent owned in this tournament. You know, Jordan
- 8:37Speaker 1: Mason thirty five, he could have been forty, could have
- 8:40Speaker 1: been forty five, whatever it was. Like, those are spots
- 8:42Speaker 1: that you have to figure out where you can get
- 8:44Speaker 1: different elsewhere. And we've been harping on this and talking
- 8:46Speaker 1: about it. With the pricing lately, it's not changing. They
- 8:49Speaker 1: keep running out the millionmakers, they keep the pricing soft.
- 8:53Speaker 1: If you think about this optimal and we'll get to
- 8:55Speaker 1: the actual winning lineup in a second too, just the
- 8:57Speaker 1: the phenomenon who won the Millimaker and whatnot. But if
- 9:00Speaker 1: you look like AJ Brown, Nico Collins, Courtland Sutton six K,
- 9:05Speaker 1: seventy three sixty three, these are all guys that could
- 9:09Speaker 1: be you know, you could say he could be seventy
- 9:11Speaker 1: seventy five hundred. You could say a J. Brown could
- 9:13Speaker 1: be seventy five hundred. You could say Nico Collins is
- 9:15Speaker 1: about right. However you want to look at it, they
- 9:16Speaker 1: all have upside for that price if they have a
- 9:19Speaker 1: big enough game and spoiler alert, they're on the optimal.
- 9:22Speaker 1: They all did, so that's kind of the set up there.
- 9:24Speaker 1: That's what allows you to pair these other options in
- 9:27Speaker 1: and then a really low owned Jalen Hurts. I mean
- 9:29Speaker 1: you usually have if it's what I don't get two
- 9:31Speaker 1: nad's like, think about it from this perspective, and I
- 9:33Speaker 1: didn't get to this myself, but just noting it is,
- 9:35Speaker 1: if Josh Allen's on the slate and or Lamar Jackson
- 9:39Speaker 1: and they're eight K or seventy nine hundred or whatever,
- 9:42Speaker 1: is Jalen Hurts still sixty eight maybe? But then I
- 9:45Speaker 1: think people are still thinking about it even more. I
- 9:47Speaker 1: think it was because he wasn't and because we had
- 9:49Speaker 1: four K quarterbacks and whatnot. So really a balanced build
- 9:53Speaker 1: is what got there. With a couple punts at the
- 9:55Speaker 1: onesie position and at a wide receiver position where you
- 9:58Speaker 1: can get these types of random outcomes. But remembering you
- 10:01Speaker 1: didn't need forty four points from Trade Tucker. That was
- 10:04Speaker 1: for the optimal in two seventy four. He ended up
- 10:06Speaker 1: on the winner yesterday. But I'm just saying there was
- 10:08Speaker 1: ways to get there without him as well. It's just
- 10:10Speaker 1: that's part of the game. You're playing to win the bet,
- 10:12Speaker 1: you're playing to get the lamp that wins against everybody else.
- 10:15Speaker 1: You're very unlikely to hit the optimal but this is
- 10:17Speaker 1: just showcasing that. Is there anything else you have to adder?
- 10:19Speaker 1: Any questions you guys have, you can throw them into
- 10:21Speaker 1: the discord.
- 10:22Speaker 3: No, overall, I think I think you broke it down really,
- 10:25Speaker 3: really good. And it's just not we're not trying to
- 10:27Speaker 3: be perfect. We're just trying to beat, like you said, right,
- 10:29Speaker 3: everybody else. But we're trying to pull out. How could
- 10:32Speaker 3: you got to something like this or at least in
- 10:34Speaker 3: the same area code, right, because this is forty points
- 10:37Speaker 3: more than what needed to win the biggest tournament on DraftKings, right,
- 10:40Speaker 3: the main lotto of the twenty dollars million maker, right,
- 10:42Speaker 3: which you have what one hundred and two hundred and
- 10:45Speaker 3: some thousand people in it most of the time, right,
- 10:48Speaker 3: at least one hundred and fifty thousand people that you're
- 10:49Speaker 3: trying to beat. You don't need to be perfect, right,
- 10:52Speaker 3: but you have to be pretty close to perfect. And
- 10:54Speaker 3: some weeks we see more obviously weeks when zero point
- 10:57Speaker 3: six in a value thirty four hundred two drops, Well,
- 11:00Speaker 3: it's probably not gonna be that close to perfect, but
- 11:04Speaker 3: at least you can still pull out.
- 11:05Speaker 2: Right.
- 11:05Speaker 3: The different lineup construction thoughts and how to leverage the
- 11:08Speaker 3: slate when you know where people are going, like we
- 11:11Speaker 3: did yesterday, Right, it was one of the most clear
- 11:13Speaker 3: spots on the board for quite some time, right where
- 11:16Speaker 3: you knew what the roster construction was leading up to,
- 11:19Speaker 3: you knew what the cash build was, you knew where
- 11:21Speaker 3: all the ownership was, and just trying to figure out
- 11:24Speaker 3: how to play that differently is what is the name
- 11:28Speaker 3: of the game?
- 11:28Speaker 1: Right?
- 11:28Speaker 3: You talk about it all the time. People say you
- 11:31Speaker 3: can't play chalk, You can't play chalk. Well, you can
- 11:33Speaker 3: play chalk if you play it the right way, in
- 11:35Speaker 3: appropriate way. And that's not always to say that it's
- 11:37Speaker 3: gonna work out right and get there in the end.
- 11:39Speaker 3: It did yesterday, but at least you're putting yourself in
- 11:42Speaker 3: the right position to give yourself a chance.
- 11:45Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is just you know, we do this
- 11:46Speaker 1: every week when we've done the show together in the past,
- 11:49Speaker 1: and I think this is important to look at. These
- 11:50Speaker 1: were our stack rankings from yesterday, So there's no finangling
- 11:53Speaker 1: them now. And they're not saying they all hit or
- 11:55Speaker 1: anything like that. It's more so just to show of
- 11:57Speaker 1: what some people you know, can't quite grasp if you're
- 11:59Speaker 1: looking at a single entrre were ways to get different
- 12:01Speaker 1: or even build it out from there. And this won't
- 12:03Speaker 1: get to shipping the Millie, but like to get to
- 12:05Speaker 1: two hundred points here in a it's just a quick run.
- 12:07Speaker 1: You literally run Caleb Rome, Dj Moore with Jake Ferguson.
- 12:12Speaker 1: There's your three to one stack that's very common that
- 12:14Speaker 1: people build. You're not on Daniel Jones. Whoops, let me
- 12:17Speaker 1: do it this way. You're not on Daniel Jones in
- 12:19Speaker 1: that lineup. Obviously, I don't know why my stuff won't connect,
- 12:22Speaker 1: but let's get it running properly here for you guys,
- 12:24Speaker 1: so you know I can run with this. You're not
- 12:26Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones. Maybe you're throwing Jonathan Taylor. Obviously Mini's
- 12:29Speaker 1: in a great spot with their passing game there and
- 12:31Speaker 1: Carson Wentz being so cheap, et cetera, et cetera. But
- 12:33Speaker 1: if you're rolling the chalk in Jordan Mason, you plug him.
- 12:38Speaker 1: And so now you've got three wid You got three
- 12:42Speaker 1: guys from Chicago, one run back at tight end. You
- 12:44Speaker 1: filled that. You got two running backs. Where is the
- 12:47Speaker 1: Cincinnati quarterback in our stack rankings that maybe you could
- 12:49Speaker 1: run the Minnesota defense against oh almost dead last at
- 12:52Speaker 1: the very bottom. So you plug in the Minnesota defense.
- 12:55Speaker 1: You know who else is down here, Baker Mayfield. This
- 12:57Speaker 1: is just the lineup I plugged in earlier. So now
- 12:59Speaker 1: I plug in Bucky because I'm find nobody's really on Bucky.
- 13:02Speaker 1: It's a way to separate me and get me a
- 13:04Speaker 1: little bit different. And then I can't be on Kenneth Walker,
- 13:07Speaker 1: so I'm gonna stay up in just this upper tier
- 13:09Speaker 1: and boom that lands me exactly on Jackson Smith and Jigba.
- 13:13Speaker 1: That's like a two hundred and six point lineup that
- 13:15Speaker 1: you can run comfortably in single entry. You have a
- 13:18Speaker 1: couple outliers, you're not on all the chalk together. The
- 13:21Speaker 1: defense is different. Not as many people are on that setup.
- 13:24Speaker 1: Most people have Lamb or Pickens or Dak or some
- 13:27Speaker 1: other piece of that other game. So that's just to
- 13:30Speaker 1: show off that you can kind of get to this
- 13:31Speaker 1: stuff in different ways. We obviously cover it all on
- 13:34Speaker 1: the stone so that you can see it. But I
- 13:36Speaker 1: want to go back to here. This is the other
- 13:37Speaker 1: one that I always bring up. Aids like Jordan Mason,
- 13:41Speaker 1: even if he's thirty percent, he's almost twenty five percent
- 13:43Speaker 1: to be optimal where number in our numbers. These are
- 13:47Speaker 1: our numbers adapting and then using everything across the board.
- 13:50Speaker 1: Like Bijon was up there at twenty one, but obviously
- 13:53Speaker 1: a lot more expensive, and a twenty one point projection
- 13:56Speaker 1: is not that much more if you keep going down,
- 13:59Speaker 1: sayqwon nowhere near that. He's not. He's less than almost
- 14:02Speaker 1: ten points less than that for optimal Tony Pollard. Here's
- 14:06Speaker 1: another one, Jonathan Taylor, much less than Bijon, almost the same.
- 14:10Speaker 1: Now he ended up coming in five percent higher, but
- 14:12Speaker 1: we had him at still at nineteen. This is why
- 14:15Speaker 1: when people are like, oh, I can't believe that chalk
- 14:16Speaker 1: out there? What can't you believe? They're literally on there.
- 14:19Speaker 1: You have the tools in front of you, and if
- 14:20Speaker 1: you're not with us, you can get in for three
- 14:22Speaker 1: dollars to find it. But it's all built into it.
- 14:25Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker twenty four percent, so it's no surprise these
- 14:27Speaker 1: guys pop. But if you weren't on Kenneth Walker, maybe
- 14:30Speaker 1: it's JSN. He's also popping off the page. So it's
- 14:33Speaker 1: all about how you're putting it together. It's not who
- 14:36Speaker 1: you play, it's how you play them. Look the other
- 14:38Speaker 1: guy at twenty four percent was Christian McCaffrey pretty good day.
- 14:41Speaker 1: But also, do you do you need eighty two hundred
- 14:44Speaker 1: or do you need fifty eight hundred? Well, how do
- 14:45Speaker 1: your builds look? If you want more of those expensive
- 14:47Speaker 1: wide receivers, you're gonna want to work with those other spots.
- 14:50Speaker 1: And that's where you can go to different things and
- 14:52Speaker 1: find different angles in where obviously we know what fit
- 14:56Speaker 1: with that was when you go back to where is
- 14:58Speaker 1: it right here? The obvious But Caleb Williams Rome, you're
- 15:02Speaker 1: setting it up. All these guys are you know, solid
- 15:04Speaker 1: optimal numbers at their position? Trey McBride much higher, but
- 15:08Speaker 1: also cost seventeen hundred more. So that's just some of
- 15:10Speaker 1: the ways I use the tools Nate's and I think
- 15:12Speaker 1: we'll get to more later when Tyler hops on with us.
- 15:15Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to add there before we
- 15:16Speaker 1: get into breaking the twenty dollars down?
- 15:18Speaker 3: Yeah, not only that too, You're not just looking at
- 15:20Speaker 3: optimal rates. Also, it's part of the process, right. The
- 15:24Speaker 3: tools are there and I use it every day. I
- 15:25Speaker 3: know you use it, I know our community use it
- 15:28Speaker 3: and loves it there, but you're also looking at roster
- 15:30Speaker 3: construction too, right with the dry run. Hoop talks about
- 15:33Speaker 3: it on the Sunday Show with you guys right, ninety
- 15:36Speaker 3: nine percent of the bills yesterday, we're three running backs.
- 15:38Speaker 3: We also, if you're going and you're trying to pull
- 15:41Speaker 3: on a team right and not plugging in McCaffrey, you're
- 15:43Speaker 3: not plugging in Kenneth Walker. Well, you already know you
- 15:46Speaker 3: have Mason and Jonathan Taylor, chalk, what's the most popular route.
- 15:49Speaker 3: Somebody else is going to plug in a third running
- 15:51Speaker 3: back in that flex position while your leverager, you're not
- 15:53Speaker 3: only leveraging the roster construction of Kenneth Walker, You're playing
- 15:58Speaker 3: a more popular Jackson Smith Jigba right, a cashier type play.
- 16:02Speaker 3: But you know the roster constructions differently because when people
- 16:04Speaker 3: are playing them, they're still playing three running backs. They're
- 16:07Speaker 3: not using him in the wide receiver.
- 16:10Speaker 2: Position.
- 16:11Speaker 3: You're using him in the flex position to take up
- 16:13Speaker 3: where everybody else is going running back, right, So little
- 16:15Speaker 3: things you got to peel back that onion more and
- 16:17Speaker 3: more right, And there's different levels to it. Like title
- 16:20Speaker 3: talks about right of roster construction, it's not just who
- 16:24Speaker 3: you play, it's how you play. Them, but understanding why
- 16:26Speaker 3: you're playing, who you're playing, where you're playing them.
- 16:29Speaker 2: Right.
- 16:29Speaker 3: The Leverage Lane show has taught me a lot in
- 16:32Speaker 3: one week that you do on Friday's Incredible show. I
- 16:35Speaker 3: know a lot of members watched it and had tons
- 16:37Speaker 3: of success yesterday because you guys talk about that, you're
- 16:40Speaker 3: talking about roster construction.
- 16:41Speaker 2: The picks and plays don't matter, right.
- 16:42Speaker 3: You can wipe the stone completely clean, put the salaries,
- 16:46Speaker 3: and put the color coding, and we can build teams
- 16:49Speaker 3: that way.
- 16:50Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to bring this up. This is
- 16:51Speaker 1: an awesome question from Seawan, and this is the type
- 16:52Speaker 1: of stuff we're looking for on this show where we
- 16:54Speaker 1: can break it all down where it makes it better
- 16:55Speaker 1: for you to be able to actually get better at
- 16:57Speaker 1: the game of DFS and not just have the picks
- 16:59Speaker 1: or pressing the button. And we'll get to that with
- 17:01Speaker 1: the winners in a second there with sheets and with
- 17:03Speaker 1: the million maker winner in the twenty dollars. But says
- 17:05Speaker 1: Sean says, is there any specific data you guys used
- 17:08Speaker 1: to determine if you're gonna lean Hurts instead of Saquon
- 17:11Speaker 1: or Lamar instead of Henry. And this is just a
- 17:12Speaker 1: prime example so this didn't work yesterday, Sean. But that's
- 17:15Speaker 1: why we're not focused on just you know, we don't
- 17:17Speaker 1: want to be results oriented just because you saw it.
- 17:20Speaker 1: So I had this one up as well, just because
- 17:22Speaker 1: you see the thirty and the twenty five here. I mean, basically,
- 17:26Speaker 1: let me just go find it here just one second.
- 17:29Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll pop up within two seconds. What did
- 17:33Speaker 1: So Rome only had fifteen, but Caleb had what Caleb
- 17:36Speaker 1: had like twenty nine or something. So again you could
- 17:39Speaker 1: have made it up elsewhere. But just of note, the
- 17:41Speaker 1: thirty and the twenty five is basically twenty nine and
- 17:44Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen, and it's one thousand bucks less for
- 17:47Speaker 1: Rome and twelve hundred bucks less there. You would have
- 17:49Speaker 1: been able to move up something else somewhere if you
- 17:52Speaker 1: wanted to. Again, you know, it's all subjective because you're like, well,
- 17:55Speaker 1: I don't want to move off him because he ended
- 17:56Speaker 1: up getting forty three points. We're not being results oriented.
- 17:59Speaker 1: But just going back to the star, that's why I
- 18:00Speaker 1: brought this up. I think this is an important thing
- 18:03Speaker 1: to look at. Jalen Hurts was not popping off the page,
- 18:07Speaker 1: neither was aj Brown. But you know what you're doing.
- 18:09Speaker 1: When you land there, it is still the Eagles. They
- 18:11Speaker 1: are still at home. They do still have a twenty
- 18:13Speaker 1: four point team total. But it's all about your roster construction.
- 18:16Speaker 1: If you were already paying up for I don't know
- 18:20Speaker 1: CMC Jonathan Taylor, and then you love the Jordan Mason,
- 18:23Speaker 1: you just weren't gonna move off him. That's how you
- 18:25Speaker 1: can put a Jalen Hurts and an AJ Brown around him.
- 18:28Speaker 1: So you have to decide whatever your starting point is
- 18:30Speaker 1: or whatever you're using to look at to make some
- 18:32Speaker 1: of these decisions. And that's why when I used our
- 18:34Speaker 1: stack rankings, I said, Okay, what sort of all goes
- 18:37Speaker 1: together here? And it's not saying it would all work out.
- 18:40Speaker 1: But let's say you went with Sam Darnold, JSN Cooper Cup.
- 18:44Speaker 1: You say I'm gonna leverage Kenneth Walker. Well here's some runbacks.
- 18:47Speaker 1: I can go with Juwan Johnson, Olave. Whatever you want
- 18:51Speaker 1: to use here, this is the data that I'm using.
- 18:53Speaker 1: I'm using ship Nation data. It's a bias to my
- 18:55Speaker 1: own stuff, but it's just saying it's already a lot
- 18:57Speaker 1: of it's already baked in. And when we get to
- 18:59Speaker 1: the message sheets posted this morning. I think that's important
- 19:02Speaker 1: to talk about even further. But then I'm saying, Okay,
- 19:05Speaker 1: that's a pretty cheap stack. And that's just an example
- 19:07Speaker 1: of a three to one as well, by the way,
- 19:09Speaker 1: but I'm saying that's a pretty cheap stack, right If
- 19:10Speaker 1: I was running this, not results orient to just saying
- 19:13Speaker 1: that would not cost me very much money at all.
- 19:15Speaker 1: But I may not want Kenneth Walker now that I
- 19:18Speaker 1: got this. So I'm looking here and I'm going, okay, well,
- 19:20Speaker 1: I'm not on Minnesota, so let me plug in Jordan Mason.
- 19:24Speaker 1: I got money to spend, you know, I can spend
- 19:26Speaker 1: it on the Indiana spot, the Indianapolis spot that I
- 19:29Speaker 1: talked about on Jonathan Taylor. I can spend it on
- 19:31Speaker 1: Bijon while he did not come through. I'm just saying,
- 19:33Speaker 1: if I'm not on these guys in their passing attack
- 19:35Speaker 1: doesn't look as strong, why not go in on Bijon there?
- 19:38Speaker 1: So you're moving things around to make it make sense.
- 19:41Speaker 1: Maybe with Bijon and it's Jowan who I went with.
- 19:44Speaker 1: That fits me in McMillan and in there, and I
- 19:47Speaker 1: get a secondary stack. Is that's how the lineup's all
- 19:49Speaker 1: coming together. It doesn't mean you'll always let No one
- 19:51Speaker 1: can promise you to land you on the right side
- 19:53Speaker 1: of the coin. We'll show you the process and the
- 19:55Speaker 1: game and the game theory and the ideas behind it.
- 19:58Speaker 1: That it's not just picking the plays, it's how you
- 20:00Speaker 1: play them all together, how you play them for the
- 20:02Speaker 1: type of tournament that you're in. Lineup selection process if
- 20:06Speaker 1: you are doing MM, what's that contest selection process look like?
- 20:09Speaker 1: So all these things that are extremely important when you're
- 20:12Speaker 1: building out lineups and going through it there. So we're
- 20:15Speaker 1: gonna get to this in a second, naids with our
- 20:18Speaker 1: guy sheets. But I'll pull that one down go collect.
- 20:20Speaker 1: I'd pulled it up earlier, but he said the chalk
- 20:22Speaker 1: running backs are chalk for a reason most of the time,
- 20:25Speaker 1: especially with our bubble getting sharper and the pricing is
- 20:26Speaker 1: still super soft. Yeah, you might have to eat that
- 20:28Speaker 1: running back chalk and then see, like the optimal lineup did.
- 20:32Speaker 1: It had all names you know and love and could
- 20:33Speaker 1: see having big games, but it just in the end
- 20:36Speaker 1: of the day, everyone just focuses on one thing, like
- 20:38Speaker 1: chalk running back got there, or you needed Trey Tucker
- 20:41Speaker 1: to break the sleigh Yeah, like that can happen, but
- 20:43Speaker 1: there was other variations that could get there as well.
- 20:45Speaker 1: It just so happens that when people have him at
- 20:47Speaker 1: thirty four hundred dollars point six percent and forty three points,
- 20:51Speaker 1: that's going to really help your cases. So let's go
- 20:53Speaker 1: to this twenty dollars or Naid's I know you got
- 20:55Speaker 1: it right in front of you. The the winner was Phienomenon
- 20:58Speaker 1: and it was Gina to Trey Tucker with Bowers. It
- 21:04Speaker 1: had Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Mason with his defense,
- 21:10Speaker 1: and then it had DK metcalf as a one off
- 21:13Speaker 1: and piersoll as another forty nine er in that lineup.
- 21:17Speaker 1: We got the Jennings News early yesterday obviously, So your
- 21:19Speaker 1: thoughts on this lineup as we go through it here.
- 21:22Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, the first thing that I see is the
- 21:24Speaker 3: Gino Trey Tucker brock Bauer stack is fourteen six hundred dollars.
- 21:29Speaker 3: Guess what also was fourteen nine hundred Caleb Williams, Roma
- 21:33Speaker 3: dunees A, Jake Ferguson, Right, So you're using the exact
- 21:37Speaker 3: same type of setup. You're leveraging the slate right in
- 21:40Speaker 3: a contest this big right one hundred and ninety one
- 21:43Speaker 3: thousand entrants. When you know the most popular game who
- 21:46Speaker 3: still right had good games?
- 21:49Speaker 2: They still right?
- 21:50Speaker 3: Rome had a good game, decent game, right, Caleb had
- 21:52Speaker 3: a good game. But you already know that's where the
- 21:54Speaker 3: chalk is. So you're not only flipping the bill there,
- 21:58Speaker 3: you're spending up at a tight end right where most
- 22:00Speaker 3: people are playing Ferguson as a part of that Killed
- 22:03Speaker 3: Williams type stack. There, you're going in on a game
- 22:06Speaker 3: right on the other side of Mariota. Right, everybody wanted
- 22:09Speaker 3: to go to the four thousand dollars quarterback in Mariota.
- 22:12Speaker 2: You're going to the other side.
- 22:13Speaker 3: Well, if Mariota is having a big game, it's likely
- 22:17Speaker 3: that they're being pushed right. Ashton Gentry hasn't really come
- 22:20Speaker 3: to fruition right in this offense. They went out and
- 22:23Speaker 3: got Gino in the offseason. They're still going to pass
- 22:25Speaker 3: the ball, right. They've shown that they're capable of passing
- 22:28Speaker 3: at Gino has been a gun slinging, million maker winning quarterback.
- 22:32Speaker 3: Right for what is this like it's third or fourth
- 22:35Speaker 3: time ended up in the Milli maker there. So that's
- 22:37Speaker 3: the first thing that stood out to me was flipping
- 22:40Speaker 3: the bill Trey Tucker, brock Bauers, Gino Smith three hundred
- 22:42Speaker 3: dollars off of the more popular route right at a
- 22:46Speaker 3: fraction of the ownership seven percent, point six percent, one
- 22:48Speaker 3: point one percent.
- 22:49Speaker 2: People say, how do you get to Trey Tucker?
- 22:51Speaker 3: Well, you look at how to flip the build like
- 22:53Speaker 3: that with a roster construction, that still makes sense when
- 22:56Speaker 3: you want to play the chalk running backs in Jonathan, Taylor, Mason,
- 22:59Speaker 3: and McCaffrey. The main ones were Taylor, Mason, Kenneth Walker, McCaffrey,
- 23:04Speaker 3: and Bijon.
- 23:05Speaker 2: Those are kind of the main ones.
- 23:06Speaker 3: Most rosters had three of those three of those what
- 23:08Speaker 3: five running backs for the most part, depending on how
- 23:12Speaker 3: you shook it out right, So you're still playing those,
- 23:14Speaker 3: but guess what, how do you cut into a twenty
- 23:16Speaker 3: five percent owned Christian McCaffrey while you take the combo
- 23:19Speaker 3: pack and play at Ricky Piersall, who has the injury
- 23:21Speaker 3: news in that mid tier, who's also a pivot off
- 23:24Speaker 3: of Roma Dune's a DJ Moore. Because you're already leveraging
- 23:27Speaker 3: that stack, going to a Gino Smith, a Trey Tucker,
- 23:29Speaker 3: a Brock Powers, you're not going in on that game,
- 23:31Speaker 3: so you can play a guy that's in that range.
- 23:34Speaker 3: That's also hey, maybe Ricky Piersall outscores all of those
- 23:37Speaker 3: guys in that range, which hey, no surprise, guess what
- 23:40Speaker 3: he did. And now you're cutting into that ownership even
- 23:43Speaker 3: though you look at eleven percent on Ricky Piersall. Well, yeah,
- 23:46Speaker 3: but that eleven percent probably ten and a half to
- 23:50Speaker 3: nine to ten percent of that is built differently, right,
- 23:53Speaker 3: are built wrong in roster construction wise.
- 23:55Speaker 4: So that's some of the stuff that sticks out to
- 23:57Speaker 4: me there.
- 23:57Speaker 3: And again the slice and dice with the Vikings defense
- 24:00Speaker 3: off the off the mation ownership people just say, oh,
- 24:03Speaker 3: running back defense doesn't really correlate this, and that it
- 24:06Speaker 3: does when you're playing a Chalky running back and you know,
- 24:09Speaker 3: projected ownership on the Vikings is is sub five percent,
- 24:12Speaker 3: And that's right where it came in at.
- 24:14Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted another one that somebody hit me up
- 24:16Speaker 1: on because it was kind of funny. I said, he
- 24:17Speaker 1: he's forty two hundred, mind you, But I said, like, Luthor,
- 24:21Speaker 1: if you want to take a stand on Luther Burden
- 24:23Speaker 1: the third, I don't think that's smart. Like obviously, like
- 24:25Speaker 1: something like that in that game is not necessarily what
- 24:27Speaker 1: you need to do. There was already guys like Swift
- 24:30Speaker 1: completely low owned, you know, Comet things like that where
- 24:33Speaker 1: they're mid priced, and you if you got to use
- 24:34Speaker 1: that spot up anyway and he had a touchdown, wasn't
- 24:36Speaker 1: like it was needed by point being though, you know
- 24:39Speaker 1: Luthor Burden the third nowhere to be found. The thing
- 24:41Speaker 1: about trade and the reason is too because a lot
- 24:43Speaker 1: of people would run it back with Lamb, which was
- 24:45Speaker 1: obviously unfortunate that he goes out, But once you have
- 24:47Speaker 1: that money to spend in that spot, it can lead
- 24:49Speaker 1: you to other places. Interestingly enough, a lot of these
- 24:53Speaker 1: geno with Trey Tucker lineups that just landed together due
- 24:55Speaker 1: to natural correlation and stacking and make other guys fit
- 24:59Speaker 1: in for scores. It didn't actually have a Washington run
- 25:03Speaker 1: back in the majority of them, right, That's kind of
- 25:05Speaker 1: the other thing to remember. It's it's that and they
- 25:07Speaker 1: got smashed too, that's the other thing. It was forty
- 25:10Speaker 1: one to twenty four. Washington crushed them. So it's little
- 25:12Speaker 1: things like that. Just back to Sean's sing. Another thing
- 25:15Speaker 1: I thought of as well, too, like as the season
- 25:17Speaker 1: goes on, and it becomes more prevalent, and you know,
- 25:20Speaker 1: we get more data and things like that. We have
- 25:23Speaker 1: the DVP rankings, as do others. But I'm just saying like,
- 25:25Speaker 1: that's another thing where then you could start to look
- 25:27Speaker 1: at the matchup. But remember, for everything about that matchup,
- 25:29Speaker 1: it typically gets baked in. So everyone says, oh, you
- 25:32Speaker 1: know what, clearly it's Dereck Henry because he's in the
- 25:34Speaker 1: smash spot. Well in something like Showdown, that could just
- 25:37Speaker 1: be where his ownership gets completely inflated. And now you're
- 25:40Speaker 1: in a spot where you say, ah, okay, I can
- 25:42Speaker 1: go a different route here. And it's not how often
- 25:44Speaker 1: you're right, it's how much you win when you are right,
- 25:46Speaker 1: and if you go different for that reason, it's not
- 25:48Speaker 1: like Lamar can't do it. We saw week one people
- 25:50Speaker 1: liked Jonathan Taylor, Danny Dallas runs in, you know Danny
- 25:54Speaker 1: Dollars by the way, another good game yesterday that you know,
- 25:56Speaker 1: people told me it wasn't possible. So you know, things
- 25:58Speaker 1: like that that your looking at are important to remember
- 26:01Speaker 1: as the season goes on. Let's look at sheets. So
- 26:04Speaker 1: our man sheets came in. We're gonna have our guest,
- 26:05Speaker 1: Tyler hop on in the next five ten minutes or so.
- 26:07Speaker 1: I'm getting them the link set up now. But just
- 26:09Speaker 1: to note, this is a member only benefit. If you
- 26:13Speaker 1: signed up right now for the three days for three
- 26:15Speaker 1: dollars and just went back and watched this video, it's
- 26:18Speaker 1: very easy to find on the site. You go to
- 26:21Speaker 1: h AM I sharing my screen for this now, yeah,
- 26:23Speaker 1: I am. You go to the live Q and as
- 26:25Speaker 1: these are weekly, it's right there. Rio and Sheets did
- 26:29Speaker 1: this exact video that's on the screen for our members only.
- 26:32Speaker 1: This is part of our Sabers series. It's an actual
- 26:35Speaker 1: process show that they do. Sheets Silver Metal second place
- 26:39Speaker 1: in the million. Maker will break down his line up
- 26:40Speaker 1: here in just a second. I actually have more to it.
- 26:42Speaker 1: That finished for one hundred k, and then Rio another
- 26:45Speaker 1: profitable week this week, winning the five to fifty five
- 26:48Speaker 1: single entry for ten K. He was right behind Sheets
- 26:51Speaker 1: in the MILLI I think he finished twentieth or something
- 26:53Speaker 1: twenty yeah, twentieth dead on with a Caleb Williams DJ
- 26:58Speaker 1: Moore lineup. It had Ferguson on the run back, so
- 27:02Speaker 1: he went with a two to one. Then it had
- 27:04Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, Jordan Mason, Kenneth Walker, how dare he play
- 27:08Speaker 1: those three chalk running backs? You know he had those
- 27:10Speaker 1: in there, but then he had o Lave in there
- 27:13Speaker 1: across from Walker. He had Nikua at fifteen percent, who
- 27:16Speaker 1: we know, kind of a big day, and then he
- 27:18Speaker 1: sliced and diced with the ownership on the Vikings D
- 27:21Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen points. Olave More kind of didn't
- 27:24Speaker 1: do much. I'm sure there's lots of people up there.
- 27:26Speaker 1: I can go through them all quick, but let's see
- 27:29Speaker 1: if I can find the next highest more if those
- 27:31Speaker 1: freck in Luther Burden points, Now there was a couple
- 27:34Speaker 1: of guys that had of him ahead of them that
- 27:35Speaker 1: still had more, but he would add a much bigger day.
- 27:38Speaker 1: There's probably like five or six guys above him that
- 27:40Speaker 1: actually had more in there and didn't get there with it.
- 27:42Speaker 1: But still to note, this is a huge value add
- 27:45Speaker 1: to everything because even if you're using Sabersim at another
- 27:47Speaker 1: site or whatever it may be, we always talk about
- 27:49Speaker 1: jump Ship. It's a huge value add because you're getting
- 27:52Speaker 1: Sabersim the same that you can get on Sabersim or
- 27:54Speaker 1: other sites that are partner with them, and then you
- 27:56Speaker 1: get a show like this every single week where you've
- 27:59Speaker 1: got Sheets and Rio breaking down their process to super
- 28:01Speaker 1: users of it. And I'll go to that to look
- 28:04Speaker 1: at his lineup, because it's right here, and I'm gonna
- 28:07Speaker 1: try and make this as big as I can. Maids.
- 28:10Speaker 1: This was in our discord eight twelve am this morning.
- 28:12Speaker 1: That's my time. So Emy Sheets is up at the
- 28:13Speaker 1: crack of dawn that's seven am Eastern time. He's probably
- 28:16Speaker 1: up before that too, He says. If anyone cares used
- 28:19Speaker 1: custom projections, talk about that morn a minute. No changes
- 28:22Speaker 1: in rules or stock contest fields from sabersim and allowed
- 28:25Speaker 1: all stack exposures. I considered xing out some but opted
- 28:29Speaker 1: not to then just fired it got too lazy to
- 28:32Speaker 1: late swap and ran hot. Obviously didn't look at any
- 28:34Speaker 1: exposures or lineups otherwise or otherwise, or lineups otherwise. I
- 28:38Speaker 1: would have never had anything like the ridiculous lineup that
- 28:40Speaker 1: happened to get there, the old quarterback plus three with
- 28:43Speaker 1: no runback from a team that loses stack, of course,
- 28:46Speaker 1: ensuring that the most solid part of the receiving trio
- 28:49Speaker 1: completely busts at one point five X obviously meant to
- 28:52Speaker 1: have this, and he's a bit of a jokester. We
- 28:54Speaker 1: love Sheets for that reason, but just to break it
- 28:57Speaker 1: down and see it. This was his lineup right here,
- 28:59Speaker 1: Nate be a bit blurry, but I think people will
- 29:01Speaker 1: be able to still see it, and I'll try and
- 29:03Speaker 1: blow it up as much as they can. But it
- 29:04Speaker 1: was Gino with Jacoby Trey Brock, and then he had
- 29:10Speaker 1: again surprise surprise, Jonathan Taylor, Jordan Mason, Christian McCaffrey and Vikings.
- 29:16Speaker 1: And then he had the Pear Soul with McCaffrey like
- 29:18Speaker 1: we saw on the other one. So I guess give
- 29:21Speaker 1: me your thoughts on this first. I've got more. I'm
- 29:23Speaker 1: gonna send Tyler the link in the meantime and he
- 29:25Speaker 1: can wait behind it, you know, behind backstage till we
- 29:28Speaker 1: bring him on. But give me your thoughts on this
- 29:29Speaker 1: line of Bill. It's up there on the screen.
- 29:31Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I didn't do the math.
- 29:33Speaker 3: I don't know if he had two hundred dollars left over, right,
- 29:36Speaker 3: but people could have. There's no way I'm playing a
- 29:39Speaker 3: QB plus three and no run backs. Well, Sheets just
- 29:41Speaker 3: said that right there, right and watching that show, right,
- 29:45Speaker 3: I've learned a ton from from Rio and Sheets on
- 29:47Speaker 3: that show. Just plugging that show even more is almost
- 29:52Speaker 3: every time both of them have had six figure plus hits,
- 29:56Speaker 3: they would have never played that lineup ever, Right, And
- 29:58Speaker 3: that's the reason that wins contest sims are so prevalent
- 30:01Speaker 3: in today's industry. Right, whether you have them or not,
- 30:04Speaker 3: you're playing up against them in a lot of these
- 30:06Speaker 3: fields that you're playing against. Right, So taking your own
- 30:10Speaker 3: human bias out of situations like that, Right, it's not
- 30:13Speaker 3: just saying you're clicking a button, but it's it's not
- 30:16Speaker 3: filtering through and looking, oh, I'm not going to play
- 30:18Speaker 3: that because this or that or this or that. Right,
- 30:20Speaker 3: Sheets talks about a lot in Survivor, right, taking your
- 30:23Speaker 3: human element out of it. Right, It is still a
- 30:25Speaker 3: math game. It is still a numbers game with proper
- 30:28Speaker 3: ross construction and all the other things in there. But
- 30:30Speaker 3: you could take if he had two hund dollars left over,
- 30:33Speaker 3: you could take out Jacobe Myers and run it back
- 30:35Speaker 3: right as your standard three to one, right, your QB
- 30:38Speaker 3: two pass catchers with Terry McLaurin fifty eight hundred dollars. Well,
- 30:41Speaker 3: guess what if he does that? He wins the Millie.
- 30:45Speaker 3: If he had the two hundred dollars, So little things
- 30:46Speaker 3: like that, right, it's not just oh, I'm never running
- 30:49Speaker 3: a QB with three. Just like Sheets said in there,
- 30:51Speaker 3: it happened to get there. It could have had a
- 30:53Speaker 3: much bigger day. Obviously they only put up twenty four
- 30:55Speaker 3: points and it still got there. But very very good
- 30:57Speaker 3: lineup construction and just one call out is a lot
- 31:02Speaker 3: of I think a lot of us have put our
- 31:04Speaker 3: own personal touch into, especially when we're doing an MM
- 31:07Speaker 3: set right, filtering through, Oh I don't like that lineup
- 31:09Speaker 3: because of this, Oh I'm throwing this one out. Oh
- 31:11Speaker 3: I'm exing this out. The more you start xing things
- 31:14Speaker 3: out like that, you're kind of exing yourself out of
- 31:16Speaker 3: avenues on how it can go. But not only that,
- 31:18Speaker 3: you're playing differently than majority of the field's gonna play,
- 31:21Speaker 3: because a lot of people do go through that right
- 31:23Speaker 3: and kind of filter out, and there's times where that
- 31:25Speaker 3: probably helps you out. But that's another point that I'm
- 31:28Speaker 3: trying to get better at, right, and watching those Saber
- 31:32Speaker 3: series shows with Sheets and Rio have kind of helped
- 31:35Speaker 3: me like that. It's not just saying you're running the
- 31:37Speaker 3: stock projections right and not changing anything clicking a button
- 31:39Speaker 3: and you're going to become a millionaire.
- 31:41Speaker 2: Right. There's other things within this.
- 31:43Speaker 3: He's using custom projections, he's doing this, he's got his
- 31:46Speaker 3: different setup on how his portfolio is managing and all
- 31:50Speaker 3: the addition things. But as far as the lineup construction there,
- 31:54Speaker 3: it's very similar to what one. It's just all the
- 31:59Speaker 3: leverage baked in.
- 31:59Speaker 2: Right.
- 32:00Speaker 3: I talked about the three hundred dollars swaparoo. Right, you
- 32:03Speaker 3: find the three hundred dollars there. Maybe if you go
- 32:06Speaker 3: to the rom right, the Kaleb and swap ort of this,
- 32:10Speaker 3: that's that's where kind of that that money comes in.
- 32:12Speaker 3: But overall, really good built and there's a lot in here.
- 32:16Speaker 3: But I really wanted to hit on the kind of
- 32:18Speaker 3: manual input, right, and the human aspect of ninety nine
- 32:22Speaker 3: percent of the people that go through and would have
- 32:23Speaker 3: want looked through this and pulled it up. They probably
- 32:25Speaker 3: would have hit the X button on it and it
- 32:27Speaker 3: would have cost him one hundred thousand dollars.
- 32:29Speaker 1: Yeah, I really want to harp on that. I got
- 32:30Speaker 1: Tyler backstage. I want to bring him in just a minute,
- 32:32Speaker 1: but I mean, I gotta hit on a few things
- 32:33Speaker 1: I want to bring up a chat question. But this
- 32:34Speaker 1: is the important part to know. This is the same thing,
- 32:36Speaker 1: like I said in Aids, like it's just so clean
- 32:38Speaker 1: cut that all the people that aren't you know again,
- 32:41Speaker 1: everyone here, I know you're working on your game. I
- 32:43Speaker 1: know you're trying to get better. I know that you.
- 32:44Speaker 1: You know a lot of you are members at Mastermind
- 32:46Speaker 1: or at Shipate Nation for a long time now, where
- 32:48Speaker 1: we've harped on process over picks and plays. But Sheets
- 32:51Speaker 1: is literally making fun of the fact that it's like,
- 32:54Speaker 1: this is a ridiculous lineup. But because of his process,
- 32:56Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that it's a ridiculous lineup. And and
- 32:59Speaker 1: everybody that's not trying to get better or just sits
- 33:01Speaker 1: back and wants to say, this game is so hard,
- 33:03Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. Oh of course all the
- 33:05Speaker 1: chalk running backs got there.
- 33:06Speaker 4: He has.
- 33:07Speaker 1: You're allowed to play them. Look how different the lineup
- 33:09Speaker 1: is one percent, eleven percent, seven percent point six percent,
- 33:13Speaker 1: seven percent, four percent. The product ownership is more than fine.
- 33:17Speaker 1: And it's just the setup of the entire build. It's
- 33:19Speaker 1: correlated as can be, like it's it's a bet a
- 33:21Speaker 1: parlay basically of the Las Vegas guys do something. The
- 33:26Speaker 1: San Francisco guys do something, and two of the best
- 33:29Speaker 1: running backs on the slate do something with one of them.
- 33:31Speaker 1: By the way, either of their defenses would have been great.
- 33:33Speaker 1: I know that the Indianapolis defense wouldn't have got them
- 33:35Speaker 1: one hundred K. But just to note on any given
- 33:38Speaker 1: lineup like that would have been. He could have had
- 33:39Speaker 1: something like that in his set somewhere else that maybe
- 33:42Speaker 1: has something different. Right, maybe it's McBride and the Indie defense,
- 33:47Speaker 1: and then you have a bet on that game of
- 33:49Speaker 1: San Francisco Arizona. You still get some McBride points that
- 33:52Speaker 1: make up a little bit for the Indie d but
- 33:54Speaker 1: just all points to show you could set that up anyay, Mabe,
- 33:57Speaker 1: he could have had McBride here instead of that and
- 33:59Speaker 1: won the million, right, what a McBride score fifteen? Yeah,
- 34:01Speaker 1: it's a Milli maker win. He lost by three points.
- 34:04Speaker 1: It's a two point nine. It's a Milli maker win.
- 34:07Speaker 1: If McBride somehow gets filled in there instead of the
- 34:10Speaker 1: quarterback plus three no run back, it could have been
- 34:12Speaker 1: the quarterback plus two no run back and then put
- 34:15Speaker 1: in Arizona and it would have been a bet on
- 34:18Speaker 1: Gino with his two wide receivers parlay point number one, Pearcell, McCaffrey, McBride,
- 34:25Speaker 1: pick number two, spot number two that needs to work
- 34:27Speaker 1: and make sense. The two running backs that are probably
- 34:30Speaker 1: in the better spots, Taylor and Mason, and one of
- 34:33Speaker 1: their defenses to go with them, which counts under one
- 34:35Speaker 1: of those three or four. So try and make it
- 34:37Speaker 1: like I would say, Nate's try and make it a
- 34:38Speaker 1: four game parlay, and that's how you can do it.
- 34:41Speaker 1: This was similar. It makes sense. It's just noting that's
- 34:43Speaker 1: you know, that's results oriented. We don't do that. It's
- 34:46Speaker 1: just to show it. Like if you guys are wondering
- 34:48Speaker 1: how these things happen, that's kind of the setup of it.
- 34:50Speaker 1: But I want to go back to this because two
- 34:51Speaker 1: things that are coming up. One, if anyone cares used
- 34:55Speaker 1: custom projections. I know so many people in our discord
- 35:00Speaker 1: ship a nation, and so many people in Mastermind and
- 35:02Speaker 1: so many people in general that play DFS that think
- 35:05Speaker 1: he literally popped on and pressed buttons. Okay, this is
- 35:08Speaker 1: what we have to get very clear with everybody because
- 35:10Speaker 1: it's important that you know this as you're trying to
- 35:12Speaker 1: get better at DFS. There is people that know how
- 35:15Speaker 1: to cook, and their chefs at really good restaurants, And
- 35:19Speaker 1: then there is Michelin Star chefs that have there's the
- 35:22Speaker 1: science of knowing how to cook and having the right
- 35:25Speaker 1: stuff to do it with and so on and so forth,
- 35:27Speaker 1: and then the art is a little bit there, but
- 35:29Speaker 1: the true art is the Michelin Star restaurant chef. That's
- 35:33Speaker 1: how they've got their accolades. That is sheets. When he
- 35:36Speaker 1: just says used custom projections, remember there is years of
- 35:40Speaker 1: back testing. There's years of going through and setting up
- 35:42Speaker 1: that formula. So of course when he submits his custom projections,
- 35:46Speaker 1: he just runs them stock him and trusts them because
- 35:49Speaker 1: the inputs are the outputs, and he's already created his
- 35:53Speaker 1: secret recipe. That's his blend. If you don't have your
- 35:56Speaker 1: own blend, or you're just trusting the store bought blend,
- 35:58Speaker 1: which is like ship a nation, you're in a much
- 36:00Speaker 1: better position than not doing anything at all. But then
- 36:03Speaker 1: letting the art or the science, if you will, come together,
- 36:07Speaker 1: is taking our stuff, putting it into Saber, and then
- 36:11Speaker 1: having Saber create the item for you to put them
- 36:13Speaker 1: on your menu, if you will. In this analogy, so
- 36:15Speaker 1: just remember that he's not just running whatever the Sabersim
- 36:19Speaker 1: projections say and then clicking buttons. It's it's like he said,
- 36:22Speaker 1: So when I tell people that, make sure you go
- 36:24Speaker 1: back and review your lineups before you press submit, you should.
- 36:27Speaker 1: You should definitely do it at your restaurant. You should
- 36:30Speaker 1: get it checked before it goes and gets put on
- 36:31Speaker 1: the table. At Sheet's restaurant, he's known and trusted to
- 36:36Speaker 1: put the best dishes on the table. And that's the
- 36:38Speaker 1: biggest difference. If I can give one analogy, So hopefully
- 36:41Speaker 1: that makes a ton of sense. I'm gonna bring Tyler
- 36:42Speaker 1: in in just one second. I will answer this first, Tyler,
- 36:45Speaker 1: so stick with me backstage. Man. I appreciate you, Avery
- 36:48Speaker 1: says on Sabersim that comes with the early Bird package,
- 36:52Speaker 1: which is the core plan. Can you make rules of
- 36:55Speaker 1: having certain players not being in the same line as
- 36:57Speaker 1: We have a full Sabersim channel in the discord that
- 37:01Speaker 1: you can go into. But I just want to go
- 37:02Speaker 1: back to the site for a second. So I'm just
- 37:04Speaker 1: gonna go here because I think this is important to
- 37:05Speaker 1: answer to. We've had people ask about AM only PM only.
- 37:09Speaker 1: We're very transparent about our stuff. We don't hide anything
- 37:12Speaker 1: the pricing is upfront, it's clean and clear. We're meant
- 37:15Speaker 1: to be affordable. The breakdown is right there to show
- 37:18Speaker 1: you what you get. The key that needs to be
- 37:20Speaker 1: noticed is there is no option to get single sport
- 37:24Speaker 1: with Starter or with Ultimate. You cannot get Starter or
- 37:28Speaker 1: Ultimate with a single sport. It would end up costing
- 37:31Speaker 1: the same price as you can basically get all access
- 37:33Speaker 1: for So that's the difference. So if it's not about
- 37:35Speaker 1: really an upsell or what you want, what you need,
- 37:38Speaker 1: what you all that. Some people just want the best
- 37:40Speaker 1: and by Ultimate, I'm not even pressing for that or
- 37:42Speaker 1: saying that. But if you want more features and you
- 37:45Speaker 1: want more ability, that's why the Starter package exists and
- 37:48Speaker 1: why it's set up the way it is. When you
- 37:50Speaker 1: have the core package, it is one hundred and fifty lineups,
- 37:53Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty lineup pool with late swap. There
- 37:56Speaker 1: is no ownership projections for AM only or PM only
- 37:59Speaker 1: or the all alternate showdown slates or any of that stuff.
- 38:01Speaker 1: So Saber Score, which you can use within this is
- 38:04Speaker 1: not going to be valuable to you when there's no
- 38:06Speaker 1: ownership to go off of. So the difference in price
- 38:09Speaker 1: to get to this. If you're paying sixty nine a
- 38:11Speaker 1: month or three forty nine for the year with NFL Core,
- 38:15Speaker 1: you'd be better off just to go up and pay
- 38:17Speaker 1: the slight difference. It's like a dollar or two dollars
- 38:19Speaker 1: a day, depending on the plan that you're on. If
- 38:21Speaker 1: you actually care about all those slates, because you'll get
- 38:24Speaker 1: the additional projections and ownership, you'll get the other sports
- 38:27Speaker 1: and alternate slates, you'll get the ability to look back
- 38:30Speaker 1: in contest flashback, and the most valuable, I mean, more
- 38:32Speaker 1: lineups is nice, but the most valuable is for sure
- 38:35Speaker 1: portfolio diversification. Competitors are charging one hundred dollars a month
- 38:39Speaker 1: for this add on. It does not cost anywhere near
- 38:42Speaker 1: that to get that here, and if you're playing multiple lineups,
- 38:45Speaker 1: it is limiting your downside well capturing your upside. And
- 38:49Speaker 1: the goal is to be sustainable and to stay in
- 38:51Speaker 1: the game, and that's what it's all about. So hopefully
- 38:53Speaker 1: that helps. I just want people know if you need
- 38:54Speaker 1: an upgrade or want an upgrade, you can get it
- 38:56Speaker 1: at any time. There is no pressure. Our whole system
- 38:59Speaker 1: is set up so that you can try something first
- 39:02Speaker 1: and then go up. Try something first and say okay,
- 39:05Speaker 1: now I need the biggerle. I'm gonna go up there.
- 39:07Speaker 1: You can go up or down as you please. It's
- 39:09Speaker 1: completely pro rated and we're good to roll. So let's
- 39:12Speaker 1: do this. Let's bring this lineup up on camera.
- 39:15Speaker 2: Here.
- 39:15Speaker 1: This is Tyler's lineup, and I'm going to bring Tyler
- 39:19Speaker 1: in and I'm gonna switch our overlay and Tyler you
- 39:23Speaker 1: can hop off. Mute. Man. I really appreciate your patience
- 39:25Speaker 1: in the back there. What's going on, man, how you
- 39:27Speaker 1: doing today? Check the audio? Check the audio. This is
- 39:37Speaker 1: what happens when when we bring on the custom guests.
- 39:39Speaker 1: But it's all good. We'll get the audio set up.
- 39:41Speaker 1: It's really in the bottom line. Yeah, you got it. No,
- 39:47Speaker 1: I don't think so.
- 39:48Speaker 2: Nads.
- 39:48Speaker 1: You don't hear him, do you?
- 39:50Speaker 2: No, I don't hear him.
- 39:51Speaker 3: Hit the little uh hit the little dear icon in
- 39:54Speaker 3: uh in stream yard right next to kind of the
- 39:57Speaker 3: leave studio, and then to audio and check what one
- 40:02Speaker 3: says your mike.
- 40:03Speaker 2: You might need to grab your aarpods or whatever you're using.
- 40:07Speaker 4: How about now?
- 40:08Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you, Tyler. Thanks man, appreci appreciate you
- 40:10Speaker 1: joining us. And for those that don't know Tyler he
- 40:13Speaker 1: is a member at both Ship and Nation and as
- 40:15Speaker 1: part of the Mastermind project want to start bringing people on.
- 40:18Speaker 1: They sort of talk about their experience and it's fun.
- 40:20Speaker 1: We can break stuff down in real time and the
- 40:22Speaker 1: show is all about getting better and review and application.
- 40:25Speaker 1: And that's what we've got right here. And this is
- 40:27Speaker 1: his lineup m N tiny that he built with yesterday.
- 40:30Speaker 1: But Tyler, first off, man, how's it going today and
- 40:32Speaker 1: what's new with you?
- 40:34Speaker 2: Doing good?
- 40:35Speaker 5: Just got a you know a little break from work,
- 40:37Speaker 5: so you know, I work from home. So happy to
- 40:41Speaker 5: go through some lineup review with you all after what
- 40:44Speaker 5: I thought was a really interesting slate yesterday.
- 40:48Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to us about it, man, I think yesterday
- 40:50Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. And you've got your line up here,
- 40:52Speaker 1: which I'm gonna get you to give me your thoughts
- 40:54Speaker 1: and break down and process in a little bit. But
- 40:56Speaker 1: what did you think about the slate as a whole yesterday?
- 40:57Speaker 1: What were some of your you know, I always talking
- 40:59Speaker 1: to Title and Hoop about their grand scheme over you
- 41:01Speaker 1: going in, Well, how were you seeing it and then
- 41:04Speaker 1: versus how it played out? How do you think there
- 41:06Speaker 1: was interesting?
- 41:07Speaker 5: We're atin what's interesting is you know all of the
- 41:11Speaker 5: big plays.
- 41:12Speaker 4: The chalk was in the afternoon.
- 41:14Speaker 5: Uh so you really had to know where you were
- 41:16Speaker 5: at in the morning, you know, after the the noon games.
- 41:21Speaker 4: And I think it was a huge, huge late swap
- 41:24Speaker 4: type game.
- 41:25Speaker 5: And then I think also when I was just like
- 41:28Speaker 5: looking through lineups that were on looking through you know,
- 41:32Speaker 5: the field lineups, there was a lot of.
- 41:36Speaker 4: Three three running back type slates.
- 41:39Speaker 5: So like this particular lineup was kind of one of
- 41:44Speaker 5: my one of my core lineups used in single Entry
- 41:47Speaker 5: and then also used in uh in ten Max. So
- 41:50Speaker 5: you know, with this, I really wanted to know where
- 41:52Speaker 5: I was after the noon games and then you know,
- 41:55Speaker 5: either late.
- 41:56Speaker 4: Swap or you know, let it ride for the afternoon games.
- 42:00Speaker 1: Yeah. I really like this build that you've got up here,
- 42:02Speaker 1: So we'll spend time on this in a second. But
- 42:04Speaker 1: being a member at ship a Nation, I'm just curious,
- 42:06Speaker 1: like what sort of you know, people that are watching
- 42:08Speaker 1: the show. I know you you've watched it forever and
- 42:09Speaker 1: supported me appreciate that, but a lot of people are wondering,
- 42:12Speaker 1: like how do you get to it, what do you use,
- 42:14Speaker 1: what's part of your process? You said this was one
- 42:16Speaker 1: of your main builds. Willing to use it in single entry,
- 42:18Speaker 1: ten max. Whatever you were willing to put this into
- 42:21Speaker 1: looks like a very sound build, so I'm excited to
- 42:23Speaker 1: break it down. But what what's your sort of two
- 42:25Speaker 1: cents on that? And and how are you using ship
- 42:27Speaker 1: a Nation towards helping you build?
- 42:29Speaker 5: Yeah, I think first of all, the big decision point
- 42:33Speaker 5: was do you play the game of the week, you know,
- 42:36Speaker 5: the Collboys Bears? And really I honestly had that game
- 42:40Speaker 5: breaking down as kind of a was going to be
- 42:42Speaker 5: a bust boy?
- 42:44Speaker 4: Was I wrong?
- 42:45Speaker 5: But that's just kind of you know what I what
- 42:47Speaker 5: I went with, you know, through my process, so really
- 42:51Speaker 5: wanted to find a a stack that could could be
- 42:55Speaker 5: easily doubled with a good with a good runback, and
- 43:00Speaker 5: you know, that's kind of where I landed here. I
- 43:01Speaker 5: didn't want to play the highest owned stack. I think
- 43:06Speaker 5: this one did come in a little bit higher because
- 43:08Speaker 5: I really wanted to kind of play into the higher
- 43:11Speaker 5: owned running backs there that were in good spots.
- 43:15Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking at stack rankings on the site actually,
- 43:19Speaker 1: and this is interesting because I know we can't do
- 43:21Speaker 1: both on the screen at the same time, but just
- 43:22Speaker 1: you got it in front of you as well, right,
- 43:24Speaker 1: So it had Herbert Allen, McConkey, and Sutton all used
- 43:29Speaker 1: up for the three wide receiver slots, and your quarterback
- 43:32Speaker 1: you didn't use Wentz. Therefore you played Mason. You didn't
- 43:37Speaker 1: use what we showed earlier here Daniel Jones, So I
- 43:39Speaker 1: believe you played Taylor, and then you didn't use any
- 43:43Speaker 1: of the passing game in Seattle. So you played Kenneth
- 43:45Speaker 1: Walker the third and then you had Juwan Johnson across
- 43:50Speaker 1: from him, and Tennessee was a little bit further down,
- 43:54Speaker 1: not quite just below Daniel Jones there, but use the
- 43:56Speaker 1: defense against them in that spot. So I guess you know.
- 44:00Speaker 1: My question is like, this is a you know, kind
- 44:01Speaker 1: of lineup that's just built very well, falls well within
- 44:04Speaker 1: some of the stuff over at ship and Nation. Is
- 44:06Speaker 1: there any tools or any like the stone or stack
- 44:08Speaker 1: rankings things like that at Ship Nation that you used
- 44:10Speaker 1: to sort of help build your your stuff to use
- 44:12Speaker 1: it with blended mixed with sabersim. What's your sort of
- 44:15Speaker 1: process for setting this up?
- 44:16Speaker 5: It's definitely using the stone, Uh, it is is the.
- 44:21Speaker 4: Nuts as a lot of folks will. Folks will say there.
- 44:26Speaker 5: And you know, I think a lot of people in
- 44:28Speaker 5: the stack would have, you know, probably went with QJ
- 44:32Speaker 5: or also on the other side with the Franklin run back,
- 44:36Speaker 5: I just didn't really buy the Franklin run back with
- 44:39Speaker 5: I think it was just a peytent Peyton thing. So
- 44:44Speaker 5: you know, I really wanted to go in on going
- 44:47Speaker 5: on something there with this and got lucky. I mean,
- 44:50Speaker 5: very could have easily been a Franklin game, or a
- 44:52Speaker 5: Mims game or some tight end nobody knows game.
- 44:56Speaker 4: Yeah, we're definitely definitely utilizing.
- 44:59Speaker 5: The stone when breaking down each flight as what a
- 45:02Speaker 5: lot of times is what I'll do is I'll start
- 45:04Speaker 5: with sabersim with a completely after I've run you know,
- 45:08Speaker 5: either one hundred and fifty or five hundred or five
- 45:11Speaker 5: thousand lineups, looking at those, you know, kind of analyzing
- 45:15Speaker 5: how those look. Also been really big and looking at
- 45:18Speaker 5: the field lineups, you know, because I do I have
- 45:20Speaker 5: the ultimates, So just looking at the combinations and like
- 45:24Speaker 5: I'm really big on a combination ownership, So like how
- 45:28Speaker 5: often is Kenneth Walker and.
- 45:30Speaker 4: JSN being played together? How often are.
- 45:35Speaker 5: Taylor and Warren being played together but not with Daniel Jones?
- 45:40Speaker 5: Things like that, So like that's kind of throughout the
- 45:42Speaker 5: week looking at that combination ownership, and then I start
- 45:47Speaker 5: with saber Sam with a blank, completely nothing, and then
- 45:50Speaker 5: going through the stone through each games which players that
- 45:53Speaker 5: I want in my pool.
- 45:55Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I like doing. I've talked about a ton.
- 45:57Speaker 1: My process for using Sabersim will be on Masterminds after
- 46:01Speaker 1: this week. It was a little week behind with my
- 46:03Speaker 1: sister's wedding last week, but for those wondering, it'll be
- 46:05Speaker 1: very similar. You'll see all I do that. But I
- 46:07Speaker 1: thought that was pretty interesting here and Nates, I'll let
- 46:08Speaker 1: you hop in next with any questions you have. But
- 46:11Speaker 1: if you see it here, like Herbert not going to
- 46:13Speaker 1: be super high on but somewhat, but he still popped
- 46:16Speaker 1: Lad Keenan Allen, Courtland Sutton. On the other side, we
- 46:19Speaker 1: already talked about Walker. You go back up to the top.
- 46:22Speaker 1: We already talked about Mason. You go back down. Where
- 46:26Speaker 1: was it here? Maybe it's up a little higher? Indy, Indie, Indy.
- 46:29Speaker 1: Where we at right here? Jonathan Taylor, he pops right
- 46:32Speaker 1: you put him with his defense, It actually pops more
- 46:34Speaker 1: for defenses are four four two boom, You got an
- 46:37Speaker 1: eight there and then you run back down in Juwan
- 46:39Speaker 1: pretty good spot as well. So again that's what we're
- 46:42Speaker 1: talking about. But if you start with the stone and
- 46:44Speaker 1: then bring it over then you can sort of get
- 46:47Speaker 1: the best versions of it through sabers him creating that naids.
- 46:50Speaker 1: What's your thoughts here, man, anything you want to add
- 46:51Speaker 1: on and talk to Tyler about?
- 46:53Speaker 4: Yeah?
- 46:53Speaker 3: No, first off, excellent bill there, and you probably saw
- 46:56Speaker 3: increased ownership on the stack because when people were dead
- 46:59Speaker 3: right they have the Jonathan Taylor from the early window
- 47:02Speaker 3: things like that, right, they were swapping off of Cale
- 47:04Speaker 3: Williams stacks coming over to Herbert stacks. My main team yesterday,
- 47:09Speaker 3: one of my main teams in the five fifty five
- 47:12Speaker 3: was a Herbert stack with the core I posted in
- 47:14Speaker 3: the discord there. So I loved the Herbert stuff. All
- 47:18Speaker 3: of their pass rate, everything is amongst the league best. Right,
- 47:24Speaker 3: it is a target game on the stone.
- 47:27Speaker 4: Everything that overall the build was great.
- 47:30Speaker 2: Right.
- 47:30Speaker 3: You didn't only leverage the highest game total on the
- 47:33Speaker 3: slate with the Herbert stuff, you also leverage the tight
- 47:37Speaker 3: end position in a correlated secondary stack to slice and
- 47:41Speaker 3: dice off of the Kenneth Walker ownership. Right, Campbell's analogy
- 47:46Speaker 3: with chalk pitchers being chalk pitchers for a reason in baseball. Obviously,
- 47:49Speaker 3: I've played every single baseball slate all year. Usually the
- 47:52Speaker 3: chalk pitchers are good for a reason, right, they're good
- 47:55Speaker 3: at baseball. Usually the chalk running backs are chalk for
- 47:58Speaker 3: a reason because they're either injury or they're playing a
- 48:01Speaker 3: team that just is terrible against the run. They're not
- 48:04Speaker 3: splitting carries like a fifty to fifty backfield, right, So
- 48:08Speaker 3: it's very important to know that how to play them.
- 48:10Speaker 3: You can still play them, right, You got you can't
- 48:13Speaker 3: just go in there and play the three chalk running
- 48:15Speaker 3: backs with the Caleb Williams, DJ Moore, Roma dunees A,
- 48:18Speaker 3: Jake Ferguson stack Right, Well, if you're gonna do that,
- 48:21Speaker 3: you better play double ups and cash entries.
- 48:24Speaker 2: Right.
- 48:24Speaker 3: So, overall, think you broke it down really well and
- 48:27Speaker 3: understood and explained how to use the tools on the site. Right,
- 48:30Speaker 3: It's not just oh I need I used Sabersim. I
- 48:33Speaker 3: pressed a button and I came out to this lineup. No,
- 48:35Speaker 3: you're you're you're putting your inputs into Sabersim using our
- 48:38Speaker 3: premium tools. The stack rankings right the stone and then
- 48:41Speaker 3: letting Saber use the projected ownership and use all their
- 48:45Speaker 3: formulaic on data behind the scenes on how they build
- 48:48Speaker 3: lineups right to build in those levers plays within a
- 48:52Speaker 3: pool that you had manually inputed right. So overall, think
- 48:55Speaker 3: you broke broke down really well. And my main lineup
- 48:58Speaker 3: was really similar to this as well.
- 49:00Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this core as well. I was on
- 49:02Speaker 1: Franklin like you said, but I had I had Keenan Allen.
- 49:04Speaker 1: I sort of had a bit of this setup. But
- 49:06Speaker 1: I would have another question before you Tyler, actually is
- 49:09Speaker 1: you know one thing that I think people struggle with.
- 49:11Speaker 1: Now you'd already voiced it at the top of your
- 49:13Speaker 1: your mention here, so it's fine, but just to go
- 49:15Speaker 1: back to it. I am curious about your thought process
- 49:17Speaker 1: on this is it was a late swap slate. It
- 49:20Speaker 1: was a weight and see slate. You'd already got there,
- 49:23Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor crushed, Mason crushed. You didn't have the Minnesota
- 49:27Speaker 1: do you probably wish? You know, I had a little
- 49:28Speaker 1: bit more, But you're not going to complain about a
- 49:30Speaker 1: flame and a fifteen, and you're in pretty good shape
- 49:32Speaker 1: heading into this afternoon but all the rest of you
- 49:35Speaker 1: guys are on the afternoon. Is it because you thought
- 49:38Speaker 1: the game was gonna be a bit of a bust
- 49:40Speaker 1: and you were just comfortable still having some of these
- 49:41Speaker 1: lower owned pieces in the secondary game, and or that
- 49:44Speaker 1: you really liked it. How do you make that decision
- 49:46Speaker 1: of saying I'm gonna stand put or for somebody that
- 49:48Speaker 1: was thinking, should I late swap because you did have
- 49:50Speaker 1: a lot of the morning go your way in this
- 49:52Speaker 1: particular build, for sure?
- 49:55Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I went in.
- 49:57Speaker 5: You know, I think when I started like looking and
- 49:59Speaker 5: build on like Friday and Saturday with like up like
- 50:03Speaker 5: I determined. I mean, it's always a late swap, but
- 50:06Speaker 5: I think there's sometimes where there's just nothing very minimal,
- 50:10Speaker 5: you know, in in the late window when it's a
- 50:12Speaker 5: three gamer with the highest totals like forty four, but just.
- 50:17Speaker 4: Going in, I knew it. But then, so, you know, an.
- 50:20Speaker 5: Hour before the lock of the second window, you know,
- 50:24Speaker 5: I went through my life. You know, I went through
- 50:26Speaker 5: who was the standout players, you know, who was at
- 50:29Speaker 5: the top of you know, when you go to player
- 50:32Speaker 5: and score, who is the top there? Well, I had
- 50:35Speaker 5: you know, three at the top ten or whatever, maybe
- 50:39Speaker 5: not three, but for sure two in there. So I
- 50:43Speaker 5: was like, I'm sticking sticking with my game plan. I
- 50:46Speaker 5: feel just as confident with the Herbert double because I
- 50:52Speaker 5: truly thought that Dallas and Chicago was gonna flop. So
- 50:56Speaker 5: I felt super, super good with it, and that was
- 50:59Speaker 5: like my plan that I had going in.
- 51:02Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, and that's I think it's a
- 51:04Speaker 1: key to note. And that's why, you know, when I'm
- 51:05Speaker 1: always trying to tell people like, oh, but I gotta
- 51:07Speaker 1: do exactly what this thing was. If if you're fine
- 51:09Speaker 1: on one of your main lineups and just keeping it
- 51:11Speaker 1: and standing put based on your original thoughts and inputs
- 51:13Speaker 1: and you still have a really good lineup, shut up
- 51:16Speaker 1: like this. I've got no problem just sticking with your
- 51:18Speaker 1: guns and not. You know, people always think, oh, now
- 51:20Speaker 1: that this morning piece hit, I have to go flip
- 51:23Speaker 1: to Chicago Dallas because that's the case. It's like, well,
- 51:25Speaker 1: not really. And also it's not like the running backs
- 51:27Speaker 1: that did get there in the morning were a bit chalkier.
- 51:30Speaker 1: The bigger decision on like the late swap would have
- 51:32Speaker 1: been if Taylor and or Mason busted at that ownership
- 51:36Speaker 1: in the morning then it would be really tricky trying
- 51:38Speaker 1: to stay on Chicago Dallas and play catch up versus
- 51:41Speaker 1: that you'd be looking to really pivot at that point.
- 51:43Speaker 1: Maybe you're going to the other side of this with
- 51:45Speaker 1: bo Nix and Sutton and Franklin and a run back
- 51:47Speaker 1: in Allen or trying to do something different that way.
- 51:49Speaker 1: But I like that you just sort of stuck with
- 51:51Speaker 1: your guns and stood by it there. Ryan says, I
- 51:53Speaker 1: love the mn accent. One of us, one of us,
- 51:56Speaker 1: so we got a lot. Yeah, exactly, have.
- 52:00Speaker 3: An I have another thing too, just to add on
- 52:03Speaker 3: to his point too, just to kind of pat more
- 52:05Speaker 3: of a clear picture too. It's the guys that you
- 52:08Speaker 3: had smashed and early weren't like super low lon guys.
- 52:11Speaker 3: Obviously you missed out on the Minnesota defense, right, but
- 52:13Speaker 3: they were four percent, So I mean your Colt's defense
- 52:17Speaker 3: was kind of your lowest one piece that did smash
- 52:19Speaker 3: right in the early windows. So if he does right
- 52:21Speaker 3: for people out there trying to determine if you switch
- 52:24Speaker 3: or if you don't swap, right the pieces he hit on,
- 52:27Speaker 3: he didn't hit on like a point six percent out
- 52:29Speaker 3: on Trey Tucker right that scored forty points. The guys
- 52:32Speaker 3: he hit on were Jonathan Taylor Jordan Mason, who were
- 52:35Speaker 3: already popular comboed with that Caleb Williams game right in
- 52:41Speaker 3: the afternoon, and I'm sure your field lineups told you
- 52:43Speaker 3: that and your process told you that. So, yeah, you
- 52:46Speaker 3: could have swapped to a quote unquote safer right stack,
- 52:50Speaker 3: but you would have been right there with the rest
- 52:52Speaker 3: of the field that already would have much likely had
- 52:55Speaker 3: the Jonathan Taylor and the Jordan Mason plays within that
- 52:58Speaker 3: stack there. So I do want to call that out
- 53:00Speaker 3: as well. He could have swapped right because he kind
- 53:03Speaker 3: of hit the nuts, if you will, right on the
- 53:06Speaker 3: early slate outside of the Viking defense. But when he swaps,
- 53:08Speaker 3: he swapping to where everyone else did, right, So I
- 53:12Speaker 3: think knowing that as well is also important. Right when
- 53:15Speaker 3: you're looking at swaps, did you really hit the unowned
- 53:19Speaker 3: guy in the early window or did you hit on
- 53:21Speaker 3: the guys that other people are also going to have
- 53:24Speaker 3: in those game stacked in those field lineups. When you
- 53:27Speaker 3: were looking at the process, looking at the optimizer and
- 53:29Speaker 3: the teams that are putting those Jordan Mason Jonathan Taylor
- 53:32Speaker 3: combinations together, Yeah, this.
- 53:34Speaker 1: One kind of hurt for sure, Tyler. Any other final
- 53:37Speaker 1: thoughts on this lineup or just on the slate as
- 53:39Speaker 1: a whole, anything else you wanted to add from that
- 53:41Speaker 1: perspective before we talk a few other quick things.
- 53:44Speaker 4: No, I'm good, all right. I appreciate all the feedback
- 53:47Speaker 4: on you.
- 53:47Speaker 1: No always, man, this is what it's all about. And
- 53:49Speaker 1: then we're going to actually start having you know, a
- 53:51Speaker 1: member each week kind of hop on with us. We've
- 53:53Speaker 1: had some already sign up and jump forward to do it,
- 53:55Speaker 1: so I appreciate you being the first and stepping up
- 53:57Speaker 1: for that. Now you are also a member over at Mastermind,
- 54:01Speaker 1: which is, you know, part of getting better at this
- 54:02Speaker 1: game and learning. I've been on tons of monthly Q
- 54:04Speaker 1: and a's with you and in the discord and whatnot.
- 54:06Speaker 1: It's always popping off in there. We got a bunch
- 54:08Speaker 1: of people in there right now talking about different lineup
- 54:11Speaker 1: reviews and going through this stuff. Summer in the chat here,
- 54:13Speaker 1: now summer over in Mastermind, breaking it down and going
- 54:16Speaker 1: through it. So what's been your your feel with the
- 54:18Speaker 1: Mastermind project? Because I started this now I think it's
- 54:21Speaker 1: been about eight to ten months. We got about sixty
- 54:24Speaker 1: plus hours. There's two full Mind Map courses three and
- 54:27Speaker 1: a half hours each. What's sort of your rundown on that,
- 54:29Speaker 1: if you could give a spiel for the people, if
- 54:31Speaker 1: it's been valuable to.
- 54:33Speaker 4: You, Yeah, it's been super valuable.
- 54:36Speaker 5: You know, I think you know you always hit on
- 54:39Speaker 5: it is there's just kind of like everybody talks about
- 54:42Speaker 5: you got to have your process, you got to have
- 54:43Speaker 5: your process, but nobody teaches you the process. And this
- 54:45Speaker 5: isn't even like just Cambo teaching a process. This is
- 54:49Speaker 5: people around the DFS industry who Tambo has his might.
- 54:54Speaker 5: He must be really good at the sales titch to
- 54:57Speaker 5: other DFS players to be able to get him on
- 55:00Speaker 5: for for interviews and stuff. But it's great because you know,
- 55:04Speaker 5: and I even think I said this in The Mastermind,
- 55:07Speaker 5: is just because something is about NASCAR or NBA or whatever,
- 55:13Speaker 5: you know, tennis, it's we're not playing any of these sports.
- 55:17Speaker 5: We're playing DFS, So it doesn't You can get little
- 55:21Speaker 5: nuggets out of every single piece of content there is,
- 55:26Speaker 5: So you know, that's what I think the awesome part
- 55:29Speaker 5: about it is is just hearing how each one of
- 55:32Speaker 5: these players has different backgrounds, different strengths, different weaknesses and
- 55:37Speaker 5: just being able to pull out those little nuggets from
- 55:40Speaker 5: each one of those to be able to pull into
- 55:44Speaker 5: your process.
- 55:45Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody loves the interviews. I definitely will
- 55:48Speaker 1: say that. Like I had Cheets back on before he
- 55:49Speaker 1: sort of joined up over at chip and Ah doing
- 55:51Speaker 1: some stuff with us directly. I've had a lot of
- 55:53Speaker 1: different players from around the industry on our guy Scarface
- 55:56Speaker 1: who's done some stuff with us, our guy Kenny w
- 55:59Speaker 1: Member who plays this super high nose Leeds's kind of
- 56:01Speaker 1: a mix of everything for everybody. Creighton one of the
- 56:04Speaker 1: best female DFS players in the world. She just crushes
- 56:06Speaker 1: it across all sports. But there's there's other items too.
- 56:09Speaker 1: I think you talked about it, but if you talk
- 56:10Speaker 1: about like strategy and you guys can go right to
- 56:13Speaker 1: the site when you're on If you start here, you
- 56:16Speaker 1: can click Mastermind. You can go to the Free Tour
- 56:18Speaker 1: and check out everything that you can get on there.
- 56:20Speaker 1: You can click free Course, and if you want the
- 56:23Speaker 1: free course, you can sign up for the Mastermind Blueprint
- 56:26Speaker 1: and get in and just put your email. It'll send
- 56:27Speaker 1: you that. It's a fifty nine page free DFS guy
- 56:30Speaker 1: that breaks down a lot of what's really in the
- 56:33Speaker 1: first step of the free tour. But if you go
- 56:35Speaker 1: back to the free tour page here and see you'll
- 56:37Speaker 1: see that each month there's certain things, some months less
- 56:40Speaker 1: than others. Right now, obviously it has been a tricky time,
- 56:42Speaker 1: but just to note it, like these are all the
- 56:43Speaker 1: different things that you get. There's learning events, there's a
- 56:47Speaker 1: monthly roundtable Q and A there's case studies, reviews, the
- 56:50Speaker 1: exclusive interviews. The community kind of sets up for what
- 56:53Speaker 1: the content they want to see, the private discord that
- 56:56Speaker 1: we talked about, tons of different testimonials like Tyler's here
- 56:59Speaker 1: that you can see. The courses that you get where
- 57:02Speaker 1: it covers all the basics and beyond. This is sort
- 57:04Speaker 1: of the top ten things that everybody wanted to talk about.
- 57:07Speaker 1: But when you do join up, you also get the
- 57:09Speaker 1: additional ten in part two of the MyD map. So
- 57:12Speaker 1: just to note, when the season started, we did shut
- 57:15Speaker 1: it down, right, we stopped the one time memberships, but
- 57:19Speaker 1: we did open it up for fifty more spots. So
- 57:22Speaker 1: it's the first fifty to get in. It's no additional
- 57:24Speaker 1: bonus for the first fifty or anything like that. But
- 57:26Speaker 1: if you do sign up, get the free course or
- 57:28Speaker 1: just send me a DM or shoot me a message
- 57:30Speaker 1: and want to get in join Tyler and the rest
- 57:32Speaker 1: of us. NAIDS is in there, a bunch of members.
- 57:34Speaker 1: Rio's done an interview've been in there. But you can
- 57:36Speaker 1: join the one time is two ninety eight. You pay
- 57:39Speaker 1: once and you're done forever, your lockdown lifetime membership. Or
- 57:42Speaker 1: you can split it up into four equal payments of
- 57:45Speaker 1: seventy four to fifty. So let me know if you
- 57:46Speaker 1: guys want to get in NAIDS. I don't know if
- 57:47Speaker 1: you have anything else to add before we get out
- 57:49Speaker 1: of here. But Tyler really appreciate you hopping on and
- 57:51Speaker 1: doing this. Man, it's been awesome. Go ahead, Nates.
- 57:53Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Tyler appreciate it.
- 57:55Speaker 3: And yeah, the Mastermind program, I'm in there all the time,
- 57:58Speaker 3: just learning, learning a different It's not to you have
- 58:02Speaker 3: to mimic your process right to match the interviews or
- 58:05Speaker 3: match the strategy guys this or that. But you can
- 58:07Speaker 3: add and get different tidbits, right, going back to your
- 58:11Speaker 3: Temple's tidbits that you did on Twitter, right, you can
- 58:15Speaker 3: pull these different pieces into put it in your process.
- 58:18Speaker 3: Try it if you like it, well, great, Now you
- 58:20Speaker 3: just improved your process, or add an additional layer to
- 58:23Speaker 3: what your process is.
- 58:24Speaker 2: If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.
- 58:25Speaker 3: Right, It's not a one one size fits all, but
- 58:28Speaker 3: at least you can understand, right, you can pull it
- 58:30Speaker 3: and maybe you're gonna understand what has been talked about
- 58:33Speaker 3: in the strategy guys, or in the interviews or the
- 58:35Speaker 3: case studies, this and that, and you're gonna have a
- 58:38Speaker 3: different interpretation on that. That's going to become better in
- 58:41Speaker 3: your process. Right, You're gonna see things differently, and that's
- 58:44Speaker 3: what it's all about, right, to ultimately get to that
- 58:47Speaker 3: goal of where you become a repeatable, profitable DFS player.
- 58:52Speaker 1: Right.
- 58:52Speaker 3: Obviously, you're gonna have bad breaks. Everybody does. You're gonna
- 58:55Speaker 3: have this that the other thing. You go vice versa, right,
- 58:59Speaker 3: not go your way, But at least you're learning and
- 59:02Speaker 3: taking different tidbits from some of the most profitable players
- 59:07Speaker 3: in the industry. And not only that, it's just a
- 59:09Speaker 3: community in the discord, right, you can talk and everybody
- 59:11Speaker 3: who's in the program is in the discord. You can
- 59:14Speaker 3: have questions, right, you have Q and A sessions right
- 59:16Speaker 3: that where tamble gets on you jump on a zoom
- 59:18Speaker 3: call everybody. It's open mic, right, you can you can
- 59:20Speaker 3: ask questions and there's no dumb question.
- 59:23Speaker 4: Right.
- 59:23Speaker 3: It's a community that everybody's there for one one job, right,
- 59:26Speaker 3: to become better DFS players and learn from each other.
- 59:29Speaker 2: Right.
- 59:29Speaker 3: So that's that's my kind of tidbit to it, and
- 59:32Speaker 3: I love it.
- 59:33Speaker 2: It's amazing. There's nothing else like it in the industry.
- 59:35Speaker 1: Yeah, it's everything all in one place. But if you
- 59:37Speaker 1: just join ship at Nation, I always recommend that first.
- 59:39Speaker 1: It's a starting place for you. You'll see what our community's about.
- 59:43Speaker 1: You can get the free education courses. It's not the
- 59:45Speaker 1: same as Mastermind, but there's a ton of amazing information.
- 59:48Speaker 1: It's all free. We call it the DFS one on
- 59:50Speaker 1: one series. It's kind of a kickoff to where you
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- 1:00:11Speaker 1: It is a trial. It will renew. Make sure you
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: want to be part of this or don't bother. It's like,
- 1:00:15Speaker 1: it's not really a free trial. It's obviously three bucks
- 1:00:18Speaker 1: to get in. You can cancel any time, but want
- 1:00:19Speaker 1: to make sure you're kind of actually wanting to check
- 1:00:21Speaker 1: out what we've got going Tyler. Any final thoughts from you,
- 1:00:24Speaker 1: my man before we get out of here. I can't
- 1:00:25Speaker 1: say thank you enough. We really appreciate you hopping on
- 1:00:27Speaker 1: and doing this.
- 1:00:29Speaker 5: No, I appreciate it, and I think just one thing
- 1:00:31Speaker 5: from the Mastermind perspective is invest in yourself.
- 1:00:36Speaker 4: I think a lot of people invest in a lot
- 1:00:37Speaker 4: of things. Invest in yourself.
- 1:00:40Speaker 5: I don't think it'll be disappointed in the cheap price
- 1:00:44Speaker 5: that it is, so invest in yourself.
- 1:00:46Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
- 1:00:47Speaker 4: Let's ship some Monday night slates.
- 1:00:49Speaker 1: That's the goal, baby, We've got the lions at the Ravens.
- 1:00:51Speaker 1: I'm excited. It'll be hooped myself battling it out. Title
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- 1:00:57Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you again
- 1:00:59Speaker 1: to Tyler for joining. Good to be back with you
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