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Unholy Alliance -- The Left & Islamism | Yaron & Nikos Dialogues · Yaron Brook Show

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Speaker 1: A lot of the fundamentals of the latter and an
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Speaker 1: individual loss.
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Speaker 2: This is the.
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Speaker 1: Show, all right, everybody, welcome to your one book show
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Speaker 1: on this Uh. Well, you want to meek us in
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Speaker 1: dialogue show too long, you want to meet us, that's it.
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Speaker 1: You want a nicos show, And so welcome. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining us as we go down another rabbit hole, another
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Speaker 1: another one of these intellectual mysteries, if you will. And
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Speaker 1: and really there's a sense in which there's a mystery
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Speaker 1: here because many of us, you know, we all noticed
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Speaker 1: you could not notice after October seventh, the fact that
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Speaker 1: all these kids who had uh you know, before being
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Speaker 1: woke and talking about inequality and and and talking about
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Speaker 1: gender and talking all these you know, real leftist kids, suddenly,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like a switch just flipped, suddenly
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Speaker 1: became the biggest fans of the Islamist movement, the biggest
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Speaker 1: fans of Hamas, but more broadly of Islamism generally. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And and you know this is it's super intriguing queas
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Speaker 1: for Palestine, which I promise we will delve into. And
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Speaker 1: and uh you know we have we actually have now
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Speaker 1: an explanation for queers on Palestine. I know many of
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Speaker 1: you are intrigued by what that might be. Uh, but
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Speaker 1: you know, the whole, the whole phenomena of this alliance,
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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about this as well, that you're seeing
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Speaker 1: it in England, an alliance between the the the environmental left,
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Speaker 1: the Greens, that the the socialist left and the Islamists
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Speaker 1: any Slams and as socialists, there's only a non environmental list.
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Speaker 1: What the hell is going on here? So, you know,
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Speaker 1: to guide us through this rabbit hole? Of course, Nicos
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Speaker 1: nobody better than Nikos to help us do this. So
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Speaker 1: maybe we should start at the beginning, Nikos, at the
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Speaker 1: very beginning. You know, we all have just noticed this
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Speaker 1: in a sense of many people have just noticed this recently,
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Speaker 1: right since October seventh. But where is this alliance of
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Speaker 1: left and Islamism really start?
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you where it definitely does not start.
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Speaker 3: It does not start with Marx. Marx will be very,
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Speaker 3: very angry with his alliance because Marx was not just
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Speaker 3: very Eurocentric, he had very little patience for what he
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Speaker 3: called Oriental societies because he considered them societies of statis,
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Speaker 3: societies that nothing happens. They deprave human beings from agency
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Speaker 3: and actually, Angel says, they don't ever have a history.
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Speaker 3: They have this cyclical thing. It's tribal battles between bad
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Speaker 3: doings and townspeople, and then bed doings become the townspeople
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Speaker 3: and there it goes, nothing happened, So have no interest there.
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Speaker 1: It didn't fit into the whole history, of the whole
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Speaker 1: philosophy of history. I mean, you know it. The dialectic
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Speaker 1: doesn't work in Islam.
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Speaker 3: There's no dialect because there's nothing. There's not much happening.
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Speaker 3: March and Engels will say. Now, the first people who
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Speaker 3: actually have to pay some attention to Muslims were the
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Speaker 3: Bolsheviks after the Rossi Revolution, because the Muslim minority was
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Speaker 3: ten percent in the Rossian Empire. And actually, the weird
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Speaker 3: thing is the percentage of Muslims in the Communist Party
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Speaker 3: was bigger than the presentas in the population, which I
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Speaker 3: found very weird, really, so very early, the Bolshevik notice
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Speaker 3: that most of the movi Is in population live under
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Speaker 3: British imperialists, British colonialists, and British colonialism is the enemy,
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Speaker 3: so they can say, let's see if we can play
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Speaker 3: a bit with Islam and use it to our advantage.
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Speaker 3: So you have this very weird moment where in the
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Speaker 3: conference of the Communist International in nineteen twenty you have
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Speaker 3: one of the biggest hot shots of the revolution, a
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Speaker 3: guy called Zinoviev, who literally said the words that there
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Speaker 3: should be a holy war of the people of this
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Speaker 3: against the British Empire.
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Speaker 2: And the interesting thing is the reaction from the audience.
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Speaker 3: The audience erpts in applaud So the audience connects with
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Speaker 3: this idea, connects with the idea of holy war. But
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Speaker 3: this doesn't go very far because soon Stalin comes to
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Speaker 3: power and he says, look, we don't play with any
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Speaker 3: of these things. The religion is so in this country,
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Speaker 3: we're all we're all Soviets. The only time, interestingly, he
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Speaker 3: uses his Lam is when he talks to these Oriental
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Speaker 3: leaders and he wants to put them against Trotsky, and
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Speaker 3: he refers to Trotsky as as Jewish internationalist. So it's like,
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Speaker 3: I understand you people. It's I'm not like these Jews
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Speaker 3: who don't get it.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. So, and this conference was in Baku, which is
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Speaker 1: in Azerbaijan, which was part of the Soviet Union at
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Speaker 1: the time, I think, or at least became part of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean they wanted that part of the world to
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Speaker 1: loge extent because of the oil. It's it's Azerbaijan. It's
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Speaker 1: the first place you get commercial discovery of oil in
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Speaker 1: the nineteenth centuries. It becomes a you know, and the
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Speaker 1: Soviets always always wanted and I think put In today
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Speaker 1: with love would love to be able to get his
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Speaker 1: hands on as a vagin.
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Speaker 2: But it's not that they were asked.
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Speaker 3: Azerbaijanis if they wanted to be part of Soviet Union
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Speaker 3: as it happened with Yeah. Anyway, then for decades, not
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Speaker 3: much is happening because there is no political Islam hasn't
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Speaker 3: got much of a presence, and the Communists are busy
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Speaker 3: mostly fighting internal war, trying to expose to expand the
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Speaker 3: revolution abroad.
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Speaker 2: Then you have the Second World War, so not much.
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Speaker 1: So just just a weepen clarify, you know. The wise
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Speaker 1: of the Muslim Brotherhood is the early nineteen twenties in Egypt,
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Speaker 1: Hassan Albana. Really we don't see any any real coalition
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Speaker 1: there between the Muslim Brotherhood and the left in Egypt
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Speaker 1: or anywhere else. So this is this is a post
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Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood and more of a as we'll see them
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Speaker 1: over Shiit and a Sunni.
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Speaker 2: More of an sea eyed thing.
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Speaker 3: Another development which let's put it somewhere in the back
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Speaker 3: of our head, of our minds. In the fifty Soviet
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Speaker 3: Union is aligned with the Arabs. But the Arabs at
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Speaker 3: that point they put forward the secular face, the Arab nationalism,
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Speaker 3: and they see radical Islam as a threat. Nadal having
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Speaker 3: said that, as we explained to people.
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Speaker 2: When we talked about the War of independence in the
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Speaker 2: Arab street.
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Speaker 3: Islam is already strong in the Arab street. There's all
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Speaker 3: ready declaring they had against Israel. But on the top level,
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Speaker 3: the political leaders are more on the side of a
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Speaker 3: secular type Arab national.
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Speaker 1: And it is true that in I mean among them
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Speaker 1: was a buzzered at least in Egypt, they viewed the
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Speaker 1: real enemy as NASA. They viewed the real enemy as
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Speaker 1: Arab nationalism and will deal with the Jews later, I
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Speaker 1: mean the Jews the enemy, but they then later they
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Speaker 1: for a long time within Islamist movement, the urgency was
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Speaker 1: around getting rid of their rulers so that they could dominate.
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Speaker 1: And so the Muslim otherwoods who were in jail in
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Speaker 1: the in the late sixties were offered to get out
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Speaker 1: of jail, to get out of jail free card if
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Speaker 1: they joined the army and went a fort the Israelis,
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Speaker 1: and they said no, They said no, you know you're
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Speaker 1: the enemy. Use Nasa the enemy, not out of any
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Speaker 1: love for the Jews, but out of the hatred of
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Speaker 1: these nationalists.
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Speaker 3: And the truth is that Sunni Islam and the left never.
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Speaker 2: Really hit it off.
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Speaker 3: However, however, this is not the same as with Sea radically,
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Speaker 3: so our first man, we talked about Baku, we go
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Speaker 3: a bit souther and we go to Lebanon. Lebanon around
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Speaker 3: the seventies is the place where this it's this hub
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Speaker 3: where Islam is the leftist meet sometimes literally in the
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Speaker 3: same literally in the same training caps. Let us say
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Speaker 3: something very quickly first about the Sea Islam. You've talked
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Speaker 3: in the past about the difference between Sunnis and you
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Speaker 3: have these lectures about the history of the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: But let's put it very quickly. Seas are something like
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Speaker 3: the proletarians of Islam, always defeated or with a narrative
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Speaker 3: of defeat. Literally they celebrate the defeat in in Karbala.
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Speaker 3: Their whole story is a story of defeat and always
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Speaker 3: it's a story of we are the least privileged, we
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Speaker 3: are the ones who have grievances.
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Speaker 1: And at the same time, at the same time, at
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Speaker 1: least during the Islamic Renaissance, they were the intellectuals, they
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Speaker 1: were the real you know, a lot of the philosophs,
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Speaker 1: a lot of the scientists during the spirit were Persian,
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Speaker 1: Wereenians and Chiai and intellectuals, and they were also you know,
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Speaker 1: they were they adopted the Sufi, you know, the mystical.
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Speaker 1: They also became much more mystical than the Sooners did.
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Speaker 3: And more looking for things around the Islam for inspiration
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Speaker 3: on how to promote the view. So the key figure here,
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Speaker 3: although he's not a leftist, is a guy who you
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Speaker 3: could have a Netflix city about Musa al Sadra. This
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Speaker 3: is a guy who is behind the eyes of sich Islam. Tall,
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Speaker 3: charismatic guy. He's from Iran, but he finds himself in
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Speaker 3: Lebanon and he tries to awaken the Si population using
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Speaker 3: though not the language of just the language of the
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Speaker 3: Holy Book. He speaks the language of oppression, he speaks
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Speaker 3: the language of social justice, and he speaks the language
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Speaker 3: of emancipation. Emancipation and I said there should be a
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Speaker 3: Netflix series because like the Prophet of Yet, he disappears
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Speaker 3: at some point, probably Kadafi kill him, but he doesn't
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Speaker 3: get he doesn't live enough to see the Iranian Revolution,
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Speaker 3: which as will see, is the focal point. But for
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Speaker 3: the first time you have something as a siight movement
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Speaker 3: which speaks the language of the left, even if its
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Speaker 3: leaders are not leftists. But in South Lebanon in the
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Speaker 3: in the late sixties early seventies, you have leftists eating
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Speaker 3: and training together with Islamists because you have all these
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Speaker 3: camps funded often by Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc, where
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Speaker 3: you have PLO fighters, Palestinians and Western leftist terrorists and
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Speaker 3: sometimes they even live in the same barracks. And add
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Speaker 3: to these people Iranians who are opposing the Zim of
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Speaker 3: the SAP so Iran at that time has a secular
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Speaker 3: ZIM that is very much oppressing leftists and Islamists, and
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Speaker 3: these people a lot of them train in Lebanon, and
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Speaker 3: in Lebanon you have these strong relationships, the first real
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Speaker 3: alliances between the left Arabs and actually and actually Islamists.
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Speaker 2: So there you also have, for example.
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Speaker 3: The Liberation Movement of Iran, which is a religious movement,
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Speaker 3: but which speaks a leftist language. And actually they translate
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Speaker 3: in Farsi the Manual of the Urban Guerrilla. This was
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Speaker 3: written by a Marxist Mariguella. I have this in Greek,
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Speaker 3: the Handbook of Urban Guerrilla. So they speak the same language,
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Speaker 3: they read the same books, and most importantly they have
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Speaker 3: the same enemy. Who is the enemy predictable the United States,
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Speaker 3: Israel and Western imperialism, Western im periods.
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Speaker 2: That's the language.
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Speaker 3: And probably we don't want to go to the Libanese
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Speaker 3: civil war because we need three hours the most complicated.
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Speaker 3: But in the Libanese Civil War you also have on
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Speaker 3: the ground leftists and radical Muslims align and literally being
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Speaker 3: on the same on the same barricade.
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Speaker 2: So we moved to Iran.
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Speaker 3: Now we are in the seventies, so till now you
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Speaker 3: have this undercurrent of politic Islam.
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Speaker 1: Well, of course, so we yeah, so you know we're
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Speaker 1: in Lebanon. As you said, the civil war, everybody's fighting everybody,
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Speaker 1: and and your just to figure out the alliances and
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Speaker 1: how they shift on almost daily basis, would would would
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Speaker 1: take three hours at least uh and and less important
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Speaker 1: I think overall, although huge ramifications because ultimately wella and
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Speaker 1: out of that and the combination of the Ranian Civil
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Speaker 1: War with with Iran is a powerful combination. But so
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Speaker 1: you know, you've got these people uh training together and
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Speaker 1: and aligned in certain in certain ways in the in
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Speaker 1: the civil war. How does that migrate to Iran? Doesn't
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Speaker 1: migrate to Youran? And what wll does Powis have in
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Speaker 1: all this?
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Speaker 3: It does migrate to Iran, mostly through the figure of
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Speaker 3: a guy called Ali Sariati, Ali Sariati now Sarahati, influenced
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Speaker 3: by Alsadre. But he's someone who is not a leftist first,
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Speaker 3: he's a mislam is first.
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Speaker 2: That's very important, ye. But he comes up with something
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Speaker 2: that he calls.
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Speaker 3: Redism, So red si Islam, which is Islam fused with matches,
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Speaker 3: but Islam first, So using Marxism as a tool to
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Speaker 3: promote this particular version of Islam again, the si it Islam,
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Speaker 3: which is which is itself. We are the Islam of
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Speaker 3: the oppressed, not of the elites, not of the Sunnis world.
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Speaker 3: We are the oppressed. And this is a call for
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Speaker 3: social justice and a struggle for a society that will
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Speaker 3: be ruled by the lessons of Islam. Carefully the lessons
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Speaker 3: of Islam, not by Mula's the lessons of Islam, so
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Speaker 3: his intellectual reference. We're not just the prophet, but mostly
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Speaker 3: the anti colonial teachings of Franz Fanon and the teaching
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Speaker 3: so examples are here. Is the first time that Paris
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Speaker 3: comes into into play. Most of these radical Seaites who
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Speaker 3: fuse Site with socialism their point of references French intellectuals
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Speaker 3: or French influence intellections like.
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Speaker 2: Like France, like France.
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Speaker 3: Fun And of course when we talk about Paris, when
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Speaker 3: we talk about.
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Speaker 1: Who was fen and and and and what was what
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Speaker 1: was what beliefs?
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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, so yeah, But very briefly Funon talks
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Speaker 3: about this French Algerian writes about that conflict, and he
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Speaker 3: gives a voice to the anti colonial struggle. With fun On,
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Speaker 3: the violence, the anti colonial violence is justified and the
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Speaker 3: revolutionary subject is seen as the anti colonial movements. So
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Speaker 3: till then, with Marxism, who is the prophets, Who are
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Speaker 3: the people who will bring forward the revolution? Who are
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Speaker 3: the angels of history? The working class? But as we
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Speaker 3: saw in an episode a couple of weeks ago the
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Speaker 3: Franco School, the working class are driving cool cars and
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Speaker 3: the watching TV in the West. So now we have
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Speaker 3: to look for a different revolutionary subject, and we find
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Speaker 3: it in the anti colonial struggles elsewhere, far away from
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Speaker 3: the far away from the from the left. So this
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Speaker 3: is this is what fun On's most important theoretical contribution is.
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Speaker 1: Is there a sense in which the left is replacing
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Speaker 1: anti capitalism with anti colonialism?
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Speaker 3: Yes, because with anti colonialism you have the foot the
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Speaker 3: feet on the ground. There are no fit on the
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Speaker 3: ground in the West. Actually they are the students. And
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Speaker 3: remember what we said with.
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Speaker 1: The sixties, the sixties away it is.
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Speaker 3: But over there there are these revolutionary selves. And that's
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Speaker 3: very convenient, right because you can mobilize them quote without
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Speaker 3: you doing anything. If you go to your local labor union,
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Speaker 3: they're gonna kick you out and call you.
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Speaker 2: A hippie freak.
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Speaker 3: But you can claim, oh, but I speak on behalf
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Speaker 3: of the oppressed who are three continents away. So it's
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Speaker 3: it's also a result of their defeat in the West
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Speaker 3: when it comes to the working class.
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Speaker 2: The working class doesn't want to do anything with them.
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Speaker 3: So now conveniently they find this and there's almost something
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Speaker 3: this kind of orientally that oh there's this magical, mystical
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Speaker 3: place over there where things are happening, where people are pure,
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Speaker 3: where people are not telling.
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Speaker 2: How did you call it in yourself the other day?
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Speaker 2: They are authentric, authent Yes.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I told you I'd bring in Rousseau.
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Speaker 1: I mean this we can bring in now and we
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Speaker 1: can come back to him later. But that's that's the
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Speaker 1: fascination they all have with Rousseau, because Rousseau, what is authentic?
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Speaker 1: What does it mean to be authentic? It's you know,
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Speaker 1: it's to be with nature, It's to be you know
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Speaker 1: a way. What is the destroyer of man? What destroys
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Speaker 1: our authenticityation? So civilization, So the fact that you know,
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Speaker 1: so Western civilization is the destroyer of human authenticity. It
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Speaker 1: is the destroyer of what man really is about. And
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Speaker 1: you know, these people out there, you know, they're being
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Speaker 1: oppressed by by colonialism, they're being oppressed by civilization, and
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Speaker 1: they're fighting to rediscover their authentic self and maybe will
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Speaker 1: discover that authentic self that religious stuff will fall away,
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Speaker 1: maybe exactly that.
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Speaker 3: And we have to learn from them. So it's not
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Speaker 3: that we enlighten them, it's the opposite. We will learn
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Speaker 3: And this is this is the period where you have
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Speaker 3: spoiled the Western leftist brats literally going to work in
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Speaker 3: the farms in China and Vietnam, in Cuba and some
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Speaker 3: of them also in the PLO training comes in in Lebanon.
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Speaker 3: So speaking of friends intellectuals, the top of them, the most,
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Speaker 3: the intellectual celebrity of the time itself. When he senses
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Speaker 3: that things are kicking off in Iran, so late in
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Speaker 3: ninety seventy eight, more and more people in Iran rise
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Speaker 3: up against the SAP.
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Speaker 1: Yes, So before we get to CA, I think it's
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Speaker 1: important to talk about how many who is who is
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Speaker 1: the inspired by what's the name Showia al Sadra no no,
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Speaker 1: the student of Olsada, the the the Rayati say it again, alis.
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Speaker 2: Ariati, a Shariati.
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Speaker 1: That's right, it's definitely inspired by Shariati. And the way
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Speaker 1: he spreads his message in Iran is through audio cassettes.
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Speaker 1: And you know this is under Shaw's regime. The Shaw
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Speaker 1: is very it's an authoritarian regime. This is not a
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Speaker 1: nice regime that they're trying to oppress the Islamist They
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Speaker 1: view them as a threat. But you know then they
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Speaker 1: but they didn't they Homiani, who had tried to instigate
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Speaker 1: an Islam. Islamist activism in Iran was forced out and
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Speaker 1: sent it to exile into Paris, and from Paris is
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Speaker 1: not yet in Iraq.
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Speaker 2: In a couple of months before the rulers. He's still
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Speaker 2: in Iraq.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. So he's in Iraq. And the way
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Speaker 1: he spreads his ideology in Yuan is with these cassettes.
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Speaker 1: And these cassettes were like the Twitter of the time, yes,
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Speaker 1: and they were handed hand to I mean he was secret.
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Speaker 1: If you caught with them, you could go to jail.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this. They were risking their lives.
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Speaker 1: And in these cassettes are his sermons, and he does
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Speaker 1: a masterful job of interwining Islamist ideology with social justice,
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Speaker 1: socialist and leftist ideology. So he's inspired by Shariati and
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Speaker 1: he's taking I don't think he believes it, but he
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Speaker 1: identifies this as a strategic alliance that can really help him.
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Speaker 1: And so he's not only inspiring people to Islam, he's
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Speaker 1: inspiring a lot of the students to support him. So
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Speaker 1: you know he's seating. He's preparing the ground in Iran
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Speaker 1: for years before he shows up in seventy nine with
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Speaker 1: this hybrid of Islamism and socialism.
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Speaker 3: And again that's not entirely relevant, but it is relevant
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Speaker 3: people who say today all the cards are stacked against us,
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Speaker 3: how can we pass our messages?
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Speaker 2: Do you know how? Actually these cassettes.
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Speaker 3: So the oppest thing is you'd try to to to
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Speaker 3: bring the cassettes in the country.
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Speaker 2: But because this was not possible, what they would do
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Speaker 2: is you would call.
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Speaker 3: Long distance, which back then used to cause the fortune,
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Speaker 3: and people on the you would play the cassette and
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Speaker 3: people on the other side in Iran cord the cassette
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Speaker 3: from the phone call, and that's how.
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Speaker 2: The cassettes would would go on and from from hand
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Speaker 2: to hand.
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Speaker 3: So yes, by that point, the voice of the cony,
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Speaker 3: the voice of Al Sad, the voice of Sariati. By
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Speaker 3: the way, both Sad and Sariati were dead by them.
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Speaker 3: Saraado was probably killed by Savak, although it never became real.
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Speaker 3: Al Sadra no one knows what happened. And probably he
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Speaker 3: asked kids called these days a mock the Kadaffi or
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Speaker 3: Kadaffi killed him on the spot, or yeah, because he
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Speaker 3: told him that you don't understand, you don't understand really
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Speaker 3: Islam and also he was taller and probably more good
23:16
Speaker 3: looking than.
23:16
Speaker 2: Kadaffi, and Kada can't have that. Yeah.
23:21
Speaker 3: Anyway, So late in ninety seventy eight, while there is
23:25
Speaker 3: and we have to keep this very clear in mind
23:28
Speaker 3: if you're a leftist at that point, it's a very
23:30
Speaker 3: depressing period because nothing is happening.
23:34
Speaker 2: Most of the revolution.
23:35
Speaker 3: The student movements are dying, the terrorist movements, the re brigates,
23:39
Speaker 3: the the batter mind who they are not, They are
23:45
Speaker 3: losing their momentum, And suddenly suddenly China has become now
23:51
Speaker 3: is in the reformist rout.
23:53
Speaker 2: Suddenly though these people over there who are standing ups,
23:56
Speaker 2: who are who are who are there? Seems to be
23:58
Speaker 2: a revolution over there.
24:00
Speaker 3: So Fuko is going there as a journalist by Corriere
24:04
Speaker 3: de la Sera, which is a centrist newspaper. So he
24:07
Speaker 3: goes to Iran to do what these days we'd call
24:10
Speaker 3: like vlogging. Every day he would write what he sees,
24:14
Speaker 3: what he sees there. He arrives in Iran a week
24:17
Speaker 3: after a massacre where the resim is massacring protesters, but
24:22
Speaker 3: he sees more and more and more students and people
24:27
Speaker 3: actually going out ready to fight the regime. Notice that
24:32
Speaker 3: by that time no one has heard the name Homiini
24:36
Speaker 3: in the West. Homieni has not yet gone to Paris,
24:39
Speaker 3: So I'm cutting a bit of slack to Fuk at
24:42
Speaker 3: that point. But Fuko goes to places he asks people,
24:46
Speaker 3: what do you want, and everyone tells him the same thing.
24:50
Speaker 3: We want the sad to go and we want an
24:52
Speaker 3: Islamic regime and Islamic republic. In October, Komeni goes to
24:58
Speaker 3: Paris and his very clever, actually his translators are very clever.
25:04
Speaker 2: He's giving his sermons and the.
25:06
Speaker 3: Translators translate different things to the Western audiences. So he's
25:12
Speaker 3: playing with the French intellectuals. He talks about the municipation
25:16
Speaker 3: Western imperialists, and what he actually says in the Far
25:20
Speaker 3: Sea is, you know, whatever the Islam is, the message is.
25:25
Speaker 3: But of course the French intellectuals are eating from his hand.
25:29
Speaker 3: They believe everything. Everything he's he likes.
25:33
Speaker 1: It reminds me of how they translated yes or offered.
25:36
Speaker 1: I mean, the same thing happened. He would say we
25:38
Speaker 1: want to white visil off the face of the earth,
25:40
Speaker 1: and they would translate it too, state solutions or something
25:43
Speaker 1: like that. So the same thing what they say in
25:47
Speaker 1: Arabic or the local language which you read in English unrelated.
25:53
Speaker 3: So here comes the question, then, what is the thing
25:56
Speaker 3: that fascinates for Co in the riverlution in Iran? Because again, clearly,
26:02
Speaker 3: very soon he realizes this is not a market revolution.
26:05
Speaker 3: Iran has a strong Marxist movement to death party, the
26:11
Speaker 3: Communist Party basically with a different.
26:12
Speaker 2: Name, but it is not on the driving seat.
26:15
Speaker 3: And yet Foo Cause says, I'm still fascinated. And here's
26:19
Speaker 3: why our audience will appreciate the philosophical message. He says,
26:23
Speaker 3: I'm fascinating by the religious zeal of the protesters, because
26:30
Speaker 3: they're ready to sacrifice for something which goes beyond their
26:35
Speaker 3: rational let's say, egoistic goals. They want to sacrifice, and
26:40
Speaker 3: they're not sure exactly what they want to sacrifice for.
26:43
Speaker 2: And Co finds this fascinating.
26:46
Speaker 4: He says something like sorry in a positive way, in
26:51
Speaker 4: a positive way, and he says, I've heard many times
26:55
Speaker 4: in my life the term collective will.
26:58
Speaker 3: And he said, for the first time I saw what
27:01
Speaker 3: collective will. I saw collective will walking in the streets.
27:06
Speaker 3: So he appreciates Islam as this communal bringing together force
27:14
Speaker 3: so although these are dangerous times, he returns to Paris.
27:18
Speaker 3: A couple of two months later, in November, he goes
27:21
Speaker 3: back to Iran. He wants he wants to see more
27:24
Speaker 3: because it's again what you said in authenticity, like you
27:27
Speaker 3: never see this in the West.
27:29
Speaker 2: You never seen the West.
27:30
Speaker 3: These people who go above the live for something bigger
27:34
Speaker 3: than themselves.
27:35
Speaker 2: Literally, now, let's be something very again.
27:40
Speaker 3: Let's let's be very fair to going to the people
27:44
Speaker 3: as they saw things like that, that the Iranian Revolution
27:47
Speaker 3: was a spectacle that should bring owen fascination to people
27:52
Speaker 3: who are interested in revolutions, because in a way, it
27:56
Speaker 3: is the most massive revolution in history. You have something
28:01
Speaker 3: between ten and twelve percent of the population taking active
28:05
Speaker 3: part in the iran and Revolution.
28:08
Speaker 2: To put this into perspective, the roster revolution.
28:11
Speaker 3: Maximum one percent, maximum one percent, and sure the heavy
28:18
Speaker 3: lifting is done by people whose motivation was Islam, but
28:22
Speaker 3: it was something which was we had never seen something
28:27
Speaker 3: like this before. So many people bravely standing up to a.
28:31
Speaker 2: Murder us, to a murder us regime. So the pressure
28:36
Speaker 2: is immense.
28:37
Speaker 3: Sad lives in mid January and the early February Kommenee.
28:43
Speaker 2: Lands in Iran if you from Paris.
28:47
Speaker 3: Interestingly, do you know who is the first VIP for
28:51
Speaker 3: and visitor who visits Komeni no yas a raraphat, he's
28:57
Speaker 3: the first, he's the first guest of honor?
29:00
Speaker 2: And which is the first country? And that recognizes for
29:03
Speaker 2: my need?
29:03
Speaker 1: And let's you remember, yes, I offered as a secular
29:06
Speaker 1: Sunni nationalist, you know, terrorists, all the bad stuff. But
29:11
Speaker 1: but you know, he's not an Islamist and he is
29:15
Speaker 1: not a and he is not a Shia, so the
29:18
Speaker 1: you know, but he sees he sees the power in
29:22
Speaker 1: what is going on, and he sees that success and
29:25
Speaker 1: he wants some of that success to on him. Who's
29:28
Speaker 1: the first country? I don't know who's the first country?
29:30
Speaker 2: Or Soviet Union?
29:32
Speaker 3: So immediately Soviet Union recognizes it are and you know
29:36
Speaker 3: you're own You've said in other souls, you said that
29:39
Speaker 3: soon is in seas more important than their difference is
29:43
Speaker 3: how much they hate the West. And someone can hear
29:47
Speaker 3: that and say, come on, that cannot be. I've been
29:50
Speaker 3: told throughout my life that Sunnis and.
29:53
Speaker 2: They hate movie.
29:54
Speaker 3: It's other more than in their Do you know that
29:56
Speaker 3: even the Muslim brotherhood not only salutes. They pay him
30:03
Speaker 3: respect as if you are the leader of the Muslim world.
30:07
Speaker 3: The Muslim brotherhoods, which are of course Summis.
30:11
Speaker 1: They immediately come out and in support of the revolution,
30:15
Speaker 1: and they view him as a leader. And I've said
30:17
Speaker 1: this many, many times. The revolution inspires Muslims in Asia.
30:23
Speaker 1: You can find people writing in Indonesia and Malaysia and Philippines,
30:28
Speaker 1: which which have huge Muslim populations. Right, how much they're
30:33
Speaker 1: inspired Byami inspires as you know, maybe we'll talk about
30:36
Speaker 1: Afghanistan and but even more so in Pakistan, in India.
30:42
Speaker 1: This is this is many Muslims view this as the
30:46
Speaker 1: first step towards the fulfillment of prophecy. You know, this
30:50
Speaker 1: is the fulfillment of you know, the Islam taking over
30:55
Speaker 1: the world. And their view is they have this view
30:58
Speaker 1: early on, at least later things. You know, when Icis
31:02
Speaker 1: comes around, it shifts a little bit. But their view
31:04
Speaker 1: is first we win, First we take over the world.
31:07
Speaker 1: First we we and then we'll figure out she Sonny
31:10
Speaker 1: will set a lot of differences, but at that point
31:13
Speaker 1: they basically all unite around this idea. Now, remember this
31:17
Speaker 1: is a this is a hot period, right seventy seven
31:21
Speaker 1: seventy eight that is just signed a peace deal with Israel.
31:24
Speaker 1: It's a huge betrayal which gives massive energy to the
31:28
Speaker 1: Muslim brotherhood in Egypt and across the Muslim world. So
31:32
Speaker 1: which unions invaded Afghanistan and deposed you know, and trying
31:40
Speaker 1: to take it over to suppress any Islamist movement there no,
31:47
Speaker 1: yes and no.
31:48
Speaker 3: So they so that they attack of Ghanistan a bit
31:52
Speaker 3: later in ninety seven nine, and this is when no
31:56
Speaker 3: relations with komaniactually the other way down.
31:59
Speaker 2: But this creates a very interesting and they deposed a
32:03
Speaker 2: communist was not anymore.
32:05
Speaker 3: Aligned by the way, hope, I'm not going to be.
32:10
Speaker 3: How it's called the excommunicate from the movement. The Soviet
32:15
Speaker 3: intervention in Afghanistan was the one Soviet intervention that I
32:18
Speaker 3: think was the most justified of all Soviet interventions because
32:22
Speaker 3: they remove a communist was basically crazy. Is Adam who
32:26
Speaker 3: said in the making, and they are also fighting people
32:30
Speaker 3: who were.
32:33
Speaker 2: They were doing things that are unimaginable. They were killing girls.
32:38
Speaker 2: So when girls.
32:39
Speaker 3: Actually under the leftist government of Ghanistan would go to school,
32:43
Speaker 3: they would go and kill the teachers, the parents who
32:46
Speaker 3: dare and the girls. So But anyway, that's the important
32:50
Speaker 3: thing is that in the eyes of the world, Soviet
32:53
Speaker 3: Union anymore now is officially and imperialist country because it
32:57
Speaker 3: attacked Afghanistan. So now this radical Sight movement is the
33:03
Speaker 3: big news, is the true revolutionary anti colonial And add
33:10
Speaker 3: to that that a year later the West supported Saddam
33:15
Speaker 3: Hussein attacks I ran. But before we get there, let's
33:18
Speaker 3: talk something very quickly about storming of the embassy and
33:22
Speaker 3: the taking of the American hostages. Why does Homimi do that,
33:25
Speaker 3: which otherwise sounds completely stupid and suicidal.
33:29
Speaker 2: Death to America was not an Islamish slogan.
33:32
Speaker 3: Death to America was a leftist slogan, and the left
33:36
Speaker 3: was very powerful at that poet. So HOMII has to
33:39
Speaker 3: steal the thunder from the left. So not only he
33:42
Speaker 3: steals the slogan, he actually, by attacking the embassy, says
33:47
Speaker 3: I am now the arts anti imperialists. We don't need you,
33:51
Speaker 3: we don't need the left, we.
33:53
Speaker 1: Don't we need you to support me in this attack
33:56
Speaker 1: because he needs them until the early eighties when he
33:59
Speaker 1: when he completely gets rid of them, but it still
34:02
Speaker 1: needs them for the revolution. But I'm picking up I'll
34:06
Speaker 1: do your work you see, and how being your social
34:10
Speaker 1: justice and all this. But let me start with the Americans,
34:12
Speaker 1: and not only have bring.
34:13
Speaker 3: Your social justice. I'm going to bring you a constitution.
34:15
Speaker 3: And for the constitution, the model is four constitutions. Initially
34:20
Speaker 3: they bring them the Friends and the Belgium. One they
34:22
Speaker 3: said no good. And then they bring them constitutions of
34:26
Speaker 3: China and of communist Bulgaria. And this is why in
34:31
Speaker 3: the Iranian constrution, of course, any secular reference to Marxism
34:34
Speaker 3: they change it to second reference to his lab But
34:38
Speaker 3: if you see the constitution, it has this clause close
34:41
Speaker 3: one five to four, which explains why he ran still
34:45
Speaker 3: today and forever, as long as the Islamic Republic exists,
34:50
Speaker 3: it is going to be an aggressive imperialistic force.
34:54
Speaker 2: Because by the way, this is a very good book,
34:56
Speaker 2: the Black Wave.
34:57
Speaker 3: I know one of your viewers the other day, so
35:02
Speaker 3: listen to this article closing the Iranian Constitution. So the
35:06
Speaker 3: Islamic Republic will support the just struggles of the oppressed
35:12
Speaker 3: against the oppressors in every corner of the globe. So
35:17
Speaker 3: as long as anyone is oppressed anywhere, the Iran and Republic,
35:22
Speaker 3: by its constitution, has a duty to support them. So
35:26
Speaker 3: when Trump says Iran will promise, it will not help sales, Bola.
35:33
Speaker 3: Iran cannot do this. If Iran does this, it violates
35:37
Speaker 3: it constitution close one five four.
35:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty pretty amazing. And you know, just a relevant
35:44
Speaker 1: way now because it looks like any minute now you
35:47
Speaker 1: will launch missiles against Israel. So it's just closed its airspace.
35:54
Speaker 1: And I guess the Israelis are getting ready, which I
35:59
Speaker 1: would say under different circumstances, just the shift topics, I
36:02
Speaker 1: would say, might be a good thing, because then Trump
36:07
Speaker 1: may you might walk away from the from the deal.
36:10
Speaker 1: But knowing Trump, I don't think you one. You know,
36:14
Speaker 1: Yuan could do anything and he would still commit to
36:17
Speaker 1: the deal.
36:19
Speaker 3: And you saw his tweet a couple of hours ago.
36:21
Speaker 3: He was scolding scolding Israel for hitting as well. Yes, anyway,
36:27
Speaker 3: back to our topic. We could also talk, but that's
36:31
Speaker 3: maybe for another time. There is some flirting between Islam
36:35
Speaker 3: and radical so also in the United States Islam and
36:38
Speaker 3: black power, particularly through the Nation of Islam later with
36:43
Speaker 3: the Malcolm X when he left the Nation.
36:48
Speaker 2: But that's that's for another time.
36:51
Speaker 1: That's that's in the that would be the sixties, fifties.
36:54
Speaker 2: Sixties, in the sixties. But I mean through all this.
37:00
Speaker 1: He comes to the United States. I don't know if
37:02
Speaker 1: he interacts. I don't think he interacts with any American leftists.
37:08
Speaker 1: Sorry who say it could could could, but I'm not
37:13
Speaker 1: pronouncing it right. Probably is qutb.
37:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's discuss this at some other point, because
37:20
Speaker 3: that's another fascinating that's another fascinating story.
37:24
Speaker 2: Yes, the Black Power and Third World and all this stuff.
37:28
Speaker 3: Speaking of weird people who have weird allowances, Fidel Castro
37:33
Speaker 3: also is a big supporter and a friend of.
37:37
Speaker 2: Of Iran during Homeny and during kameny Go figure.
37:41
Speaker 1: Yep, no, I mean doesn't suppicse me at all. It's
37:44
Speaker 1: a common enemy. There's a massive common enemy involved. You.
37:49
Speaker 1: So the revolution has happened. Iwan comes about what happens
37:53
Speaker 1: to the leftists in Iran in the.
37:57
Speaker 3: Literally they are destroyed, they are destroyed. In ninety eighty three,
38:04
Speaker 3: they massively arrest they do massive arrests of the leadership
38:08
Speaker 3: of the Communist Party under torture.
38:11
Speaker 2: Obviously, they.
38:14
Speaker 3: Admit the imaginary things that they are spies, enemies, and
38:18
Speaker 3: many of them are actually actually killed and this but
38:23
Speaker 3: this did not become a lesson for the left. Any
38:28
Speaker 3: time the Islamis and the left meet, it does not
38:32
Speaker 3: end well for the left. It's probably if people are eating,
38:40
Speaker 3: don't go and check out what happened to the last
38:43
Speaker 3: secular leftist president of Afghanistan when the Taliban entered the Cabul.
38:50
Speaker 2: Horrible, gruesome stuff.
38:52
Speaker 3: It's like you have on the one hand, twentieth century
38:55
Speaker 3: author Italians, but on the other hand, you have like
38:59
Speaker 3: medieval Medieva level of barbarism and medieval level of this
39:04
Speaker 3: concern for any any idea of rules or whatever. And
39:11
Speaker 3: if I use this language medieval all the stuff, I
39:14
Speaker 3: would very much offend any Western academic post the late
39:20
Speaker 3: ninety seventies because they've been telling us that we are
39:23
Speaker 3: not allowed to use such terms, because such terms would
39:27
Speaker 3: be the crime of Orientalism.
39:29
Speaker 2: So you know who am I referring to here?
39:31
Speaker 3: Right?
39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah? But before we get that, have a question. I
39:34
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to this. It does fo Co
39:37
Speaker 1: in the after Romanic comes to power and some of
39:40
Speaker 1: this happens. Does for Co ever wighed about Ivan again?
39:44
Speaker 1: Does he ever change his mind? Does he does anything
39:46
Speaker 1: happen there?
39:48
Speaker 3: It's it's it's absolutely fascinating because, as it happens with
39:53
Speaker 3: most of these leftists, once they have a different signing object,
39:58
Speaker 3: they don't they don't care. Now, the truth is that
40:02
Speaker 3: gets a lot of pressure for that, it becomes something
40:07
Speaker 3: like a stain in his conscious because remember this is
40:09
Speaker 3: a time where, particularly in France, feminism is strong and
40:14
Speaker 3: people don't comprehend how bad the resume of the mulas was.
40:20
Speaker 3: Already from early on it did not only kill women
40:25
Speaker 3: for things like I don't know, abortion or whatever. You
40:29
Speaker 3: could actually be killed for adultery. And adultery does not
40:33
Speaker 3: mean you cheat on your wife or your husband. It
40:35
Speaker 3: means you make out with someone when you're not married.
40:39
Speaker 3: So at that time they were still around some feminists
40:43
Speaker 3: who really cared about women's rights, and they were.
40:47
Speaker 2: Asking for go, what the hell was that?
40:50
Speaker 3: And he would obfuscate, I mean always for go when
40:54
Speaker 3: he talks, he obviouscate, but he would say, look, I
40:57
Speaker 3: was impressed by the collective will of the Iranian people.
41:00
Speaker 3: Now what happens then to individuals is a different thing.
41:05
Speaker 3: And you know what you're also today would say western
41:08
Speaker 3: centric because you are bad heared, because this revolution did
41:12
Speaker 3: not go by your own standards. So sure, you know,
41:15
Speaker 3: women get stoned, but at the end of the day,
41:19
Speaker 3: for a few precious hours and weeks on the streets
41:24
Speaker 3: they ran is transcending themselves to a collective. So fuko
41:27
Speaker 3: use this language that you know, don't bother me. What
41:30
Speaker 3: happened after we had an emancipatory event. Notice there's something
41:34
Speaker 3: very hippy like there, right, like this emotionalist like we
41:38
Speaker 3: had a good time. We had a good time, and
41:41
Speaker 3: you know what happened. Then reality is basically someone else's problem.
41:48
Speaker 1: So you were moving on to an American academic, a
41:53
Speaker 1: Palestinian immigrants to the United States who becomes head of
41:57
Speaker 1: the Middle East Studies department at Columbia University and really
42:01
Speaker 1: becomes one of the most influential academics in America studying
42:06
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, and and we shapes a lot
42:11
Speaker 1: of the woke. You know, the modern left has been
42:17
Speaker 1: dramatically influenced by him.
42:19
Speaker 3: So till now we have built, let's say, the foundation
42:23
Speaker 3: of explaining how does radically political Islam come around with
42:28
Speaker 3: the support either of actual leftists as in Iran, or
42:32
Speaker 3: with leftist schemes and leftist ar Now let's see how
42:35
Speaker 3: this ideology takes over not just leban No nor Iran,
42:40
Speaker 3: but how does it take over Western institutions? And the
42:44
Speaker 3: key figure here is an academical deadword side. And in
42:49
Speaker 3: ninety seventy eight he writes perhaps the most influential book
42:53
Speaker 3: of social sciences of the last many.
42:55
Speaker 2: Decades, a book called the.
42:58
Speaker 1: Orient List.
43:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's and.
43:06
Speaker 3: It's it's been, it's been so many So there's no
43:10
Speaker 3: curriculum in any field of social science that does not
43:14
Speaker 3: include Orientals.
43:15
Speaker 2: So let's I want people to understand this.
43:17
Speaker 3: It's not that if you if you were taught Middle
43:20
Speaker 3: East and studies, you have to be taught orientalists. Even
43:23
Speaker 3: if you're to policing, policing, you are going to have
43:28
Speaker 3: Orientalism in your in your reading list.
43:31
Speaker 2: So what's the big idea?
43:32
Speaker 3: And oriented? What does Edward say? It of Palestinian origin?
43:37
Speaker 3: By the way, what does he claim that? He claims
43:40
Speaker 3: that to understand yourself you have to compare it and
43:44
Speaker 3: to contrast it with an other, with someone who is different,
43:49
Speaker 3: and you are whatever this other is not. So we
43:53
Speaker 3: have these dualities let's say bitter, sweet, cold, hot, And
43:58
Speaker 3: he said, the West win. The way we have created
44:01
Speaker 3: this duality with these other people over there in the East,
44:06
Speaker 3: or what as they used to call it, the Orient,
44:09
Speaker 3: the Orient and the dualities. We are superior, they are
44:14
Speaker 3: in ferim. We are civilized. They are savages. We are rational,
44:19
Speaker 3: they are mystical. And if you want to see an
44:23
Speaker 3: example of what Orientalism looks like, think of the first
44:27
Speaker 3: ten minutes of the movie Aladdin the Disney the Disney
44:32
Speaker 3: movie kids of my generation will remember it early nineties.
44:36
Speaker 3: So in the first ten minutes you have this song
44:40
Speaker 3: called Arabian Nights, and you go through a bazaar in
44:47
Speaker 3: somewhere in the east.
44:48
Speaker 2: By the way, it's.
44:49
Speaker 3: Opposed in the Arabian world, but it also looks like India,
44:53
Speaker 3: because against Ide would say, in the mind of the West,
44:56
Speaker 3: all these are the same India, arab You're all the same.
45:00
Speaker 3: And you hear the song that says one of the
45:04
Speaker 3: lyrics s is something like they will cut off your
45:07
Speaker 3: ear if they don't like your face. It's barbaric, but hey,
45:11
Speaker 3: it's home, so it portrays the Arabs of these barbarians.
45:15
Speaker 3: And then you see this bazaar where everyone is like
45:18
Speaker 3: a scoundrel, a thief.
45:21
Speaker 2: But then you have a snake charmer.
45:24
Speaker 3: Then you have the Arab guards, the police, who are
45:26
Speaker 3: these broots with these caricature, big noises, and they want
45:30
Speaker 3: to cut the hand of Aladdin.
45:32
Speaker 2: If you think Jafar, the villain in Aladdin.
45:35
Speaker 3: He looks very much like an Arab, whereas Aladdin and
45:39
Speaker 3: Jasmine look like Westerners. Or the Arab ruler what's the
45:44
Speaker 3: name of the father of Jasmine, his gullible, he's easy
45:48
Speaker 3: to full. So side would say, don't go in any propaganda,
45:55
Speaker 3: don't go that far. Seeing popular culture how we portray
45:58
Speaker 3: the Arabs. So the important point is in our minds,
46:02
Speaker 3: the Arabs are always the same, stagnant, static barbarians, whereas
46:09
Speaker 3: we are always progressing, developing, becoming better. And because I
46:15
Speaker 3: it was influenced by he said, this is not a joke,
46:18
Speaker 3: this is not for us to laugh or the opening
46:21
Speaker 3: of the Aladdin, because he says no leeds creates power.
46:26
Speaker 3: And when we see the Arabs like that, and when
46:30
Speaker 3: we judge them for their reality, imagine the backwardness, then
46:37
Speaker 3: this knowledge becomes a true love imperialism. So know LEDs
46:42
Speaker 3: orientalism becomes power imperialists.
46:46
Speaker 2: This is a typical for God and skin.
46:50
Speaker 3: So what is the message of all this, at the
46:52
Speaker 3: end of the day, be careful when you judge the other,
46:57
Speaker 3: the non Western, because when you judge them, you perpetuate
47:02
Speaker 3: Western norms of superiority, you perpetuate imperialism. And this also
47:08
Speaker 3: means that every time a white European has something to
47:13
Speaker 3: say about the Orient, he has within him the stain
47:17
Speaker 3: of racism, of what they would call Islamophobia, and of imperialism.
47:22
Speaker 3: This means that we can never reach the truth about
47:26
Speaker 3: the Orient because we're always our judgment.
47:29
Speaker 2: Is clouded by imperialists.
47:32
Speaker 3: And you can see where this goes right, This can
47:34
Speaker 3: open up Pandora's box that we can never criticize the
47:39
Speaker 3: Arab terrorist.
47:40
Speaker 2: For example.
47:42
Speaker 3: And also this means that we owe them just to
47:46
Speaker 3: shut up, because it's not up to us to judge
47:51
Speaker 3: them with our own standards. This is where Orientalist and
47:56
Speaker 3: this is where this thinking actually led. And I think
48:00
Speaker 3: you can see our audience, can our viewers can see
48:03
Speaker 3: how these created this inability to say anything and to
48:09
Speaker 3: make any value judgment about these societies.
48:13
Speaker 1: And of course much of whatever is bad about these
48:16
Speaker 1: societies is our fault because of colonialism. And you know
48:23
Speaker 1: the fact that so many, so many of the Arabs
48:27
Speaker 1: came to the West to learn to study, and you know,
48:33
Speaker 1: and they took back the ideas, and those ideas became
48:36
Speaker 1: the nationalist and fascist movements within with you know, within
48:41
Speaker 1: the Arab world. They committed horrible crimes. Look, we supported
48:44
Speaker 1: the Shaw you know, look look and he was objectively bad.
48:49
Speaker 1: And look at the horrors that that created. So In
48:54
Speaker 1: says In says, uh view, everything bad, that that the
49:00
Speaker 1: that the Abb world, or the Oriental world as he
49:03
Speaker 1: sees it does, is the fault of Western civilization. It's
49:07
Speaker 1: the fault of the West. So that's another reason why
49:10
Speaker 1: we can't judge him, right, I mean, we can't judge
49:12
Speaker 1: him because there's no such thing as objective reality and
49:15
Speaker 1: objective truth. I mean, he's a thorough postmodernist. But beyond
49:20
Speaker 1: the fact that there's no objective reality, objective morality, it's
49:25
Speaker 1: all our fault anyway. I mean, we've been you know,
49:28
Speaker 1: the word orientalism. I'm not sure exactly what it was coing,
49:33
Speaker 1: but it was used extensively during the nineteenth century by
49:38
Speaker 1: people who went to the Ebb world or to India
49:41
Speaker 1: to paint, to bring back portraits of them and to
49:44
Speaker 1: study them. And you know, like you study from for
49:48
Speaker 1: course perspective, like you study another species. You start you
49:50
Speaker 1: look down on them, and this is you know, he's
49:54
Speaker 1: really attacking and hateful of the West and every thing
50:00
Speaker 1: that stands.
50:00
Speaker 2: For And interestingly, of course the West is to blame.
50:05
Speaker 3: He is not to blame for the fact that he
50:07
Speaker 3: sided with the side in the PLO that did not
50:11
Speaker 3: want the two Stags of loser.
50:13
Speaker 2: It's not his mistake that he.
50:16
Speaker 3: Part he was part of throwing away the biggest opportunity
50:20
Speaker 3: that the Palestinians had for his say, it's never his responsibility,
50:24
Speaker 3: it's always something someone else's.
50:26
Speaker 2: Notice. By the way, this is a very racist view.
50:29
Speaker 3: It completely takes agency away from the post colonial subjects.
50:35
Speaker 3: Everything that happens to them is done to them by
50:39
Speaker 3: someone else. They don't have agency. It's literally humanizing.
50:43
Speaker 2: And this is this is how.
50:47
Speaker 1: The left, the new Left, with post colonial studies which
50:51
Speaker 1: all come from said I mean, think about what I
50:55
Speaker 1: mean since as that is really Palestinian issue, right as
50:59
Speaker 1: well as the colonizer Why because I don't know, fifty
51:02
Speaker 1: percent of the population has European origins somewhere in the
51:06
Speaker 1: back again racism right, Therefore they are the colonizers, and
51:12
Speaker 1: therefore they are the bad guys. They by definition of
51:14
Speaker 1: the bad guys. It doesn't matter what they do. It
51:16
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what deal they cut, it doesn't matter what
51:19
Speaker 1: compromise they make, It doesn't matter how well they make
51:21
Speaker 1: palestine lives. It does it's irrelevant by just being of
51:26
Speaker 1: European descent in that place in the Middle East, or
51:31
Speaker 1: just being a part of Western civilization. You know, we
51:34
Speaker 1: view Israel as as virtuous because it's a bastion of
51:38
Speaker 1: Western civilization fu CO. The post colonialists, the new Left
51:44
Speaker 1: viewed exactly the opposite, because it's a post of Western civilization.
51:48
Speaker 1: That's what defines it as evil. And the enemies of
51:52
Speaker 1: Israel are the enemies of the West, and that's great,
51:57
Speaker 1: that's why they love them.
51:58
Speaker 3: And also in all this how ah historical, this reading
52:02
Speaker 3: is people should go back and what's our episode on
52:06
Speaker 3: the ninety forty eight war. The founding of the state
52:12
Speaker 3: of Israel is an anti colonial achievement because it included
52:18
Speaker 3: the struggle against the British colonials. The British were against
52:24
Speaker 3: the Israelis, they were fighting the Haganah. So it's even
52:29
Speaker 3: with these weird terms, still their narrative does not make sense.
52:35
Speaker 1: So yeah, so post colonialism, Edwards say, it came to
52:39
Speaker 1: dominate American academia. All these leftists, they all wedded, whether
52:44
Speaker 1: you know in origin or in the in the translation
52:47
Speaker 1: of the many articles and books that have been written
52:49
Speaker 1: since that have taken this post colonialism stuff and chewed it.
52:56
Speaker 1: It is just a part of academia. So it's not
52:59
Speaker 1: surprising that after October seventh, the response wasn't even let's
53:06
Speaker 1: wait and see what Israel does. The response was, is
53:10
Speaker 1: those committing genocide, you know, the Palestinians and the good guys.
53:15
Speaker 1: If you hadn't done anything yet, it didn't matter.
53:20
Speaker 2: Do you know what this reminds me?
53:23
Speaker 3: Soon we're going to talk about the United Kingdom as
53:27
Speaker 3: the ground zero these days of this alliance between leftist
53:31
Speaker 3: and islands.
53:33
Speaker 2: One of the.
53:33
Speaker 3: Institutions around which this alliance developed was a group called
53:38
Speaker 3: Stop the War Coalitionion. Now, in my youth, I was
53:42
Speaker 3: around these guys, and I always thought that this group
53:46
Speaker 3: stopped the war came around to oppose the war in Iraq.
53:50
Speaker 3: So I said, okay, for what I mean, that was
53:53
Speaker 3: a legitimate Let's say, people would say, this is not
53:57
Speaker 3: a good war.
53:57
Speaker 2: I could understand it. But then out this group was
54:02
Speaker 2: formed ten days after nine eleventh.
54:06
Speaker 3: Before the war in Afghanistan, Before the war in Afghanistan,
54:11
Speaker 3: when there was the mere idea that the United States
54:15
Speaker 3: might defend themselves against the country that gave refuge to
54:19
Speaker 3: the nine eleven terrorists.
54:21
Speaker 2: Before the UK even attacked.
54:24
Speaker 3: Afghanistan, they formed the Stop the War coalition. So it's
54:28
Speaker 3: similar with what you said before. Israel replies to October seven.
54:32
Speaker 3: We already have the title zenocide is happening.
54:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is amazing. Okay, So let's maybe there's
54:42
Speaker 1: a good point before we get into a few concretes
54:45
Speaker 1: like what's going on in England and quiz Palestine. Maybe
54:50
Speaker 1: let's summarize in a sense of okay, so what is
54:54
Speaker 1: the nature what drives the left and Islamists together more
55:01
Speaker 1: broadly and particularly today you know, across the West.
55:06
Speaker 2: Yes, So for the left again, let's have this meta view.
55:11
Speaker 2: Let's not lose that.
55:12
Speaker 3: The fact that the left had to align with the
55:14
Speaker 3: Islamist and then with the Islamist cause is a result
55:18
Speaker 3: of the lest of the left absolute defeat. The left
55:24
Speaker 3: has no cause in the Western societies. It has no vision,
55:30
Speaker 3: it has no positive program, it has no political.
55:34
Speaker 2: It has no political vision for the West. So now
55:38
Speaker 2: it has.
55:39
Speaker 1: Because communism, even in Themmine, communism has failed. Communism, you know, Marxism,
55:45
Speaker 1: at least the Marxist version of communism has failed. And
55:48
Speaker 1: this is what we talked about last time. We talked about,
55:52
Speaker 1: you know, the Thankfurt School, and we haven't talked yet
55:55
Speaker 1: about Postmonerism. But they're all grappling with the consequence of
56:00
Speaker 1: the big project failed and and and we need somehow
56:04
Speaker 1: what's what's the new project? And they have nothing and
56:08
Speaker 1: and they you know, and and so that's part of it,
56:10
Speaker 1: is this massive failure, disintegration of the left.
56:15
Speaker 3: These integrations and lasting out, lassing out and against your
56:19
Speaker 3: own society because you feel bitterness against your own society.
56:24
Speaker 3: You feel bitterness. I know this because that's what I
56:26
Speaker 3: felt when I was left. I felt bitterness towards my
56:29
Speaker 3: uncle who was working two jobs and he could have
56:33
Speaker 3: a car and a cause it dicent house, like why
56:35
Speaker 3: are you, why are you enjoying football and not beyond
56:38
Speaker 3: the barricade. You're lassing out and against your society. And
56:44
Speaker 3: who is the vanguard in the attack in the frontal attack.
56:48
Speaker 2: Against the West.
56:49
Speaker 3: Today, there are not any more communist guerillas, There's no
56:51
Speaker 3: more Guevara, there is no more cultural evolution in China,
56:57
Speaker 3: there's no more Vietnam today. The vanguard of the attack
57:01
Speaker 3: against the West is Islam political Islam, and the left
57:07
Speaker 3: had zero moral inhibitions in siding with political Islam on
57:13
Speaker 3: its frontal attack against the West. If this is not
57:16
Speaker 3: the biggest bankruptcy in the history of the bankrupt movements
57:20
Speaker 3: in the history of humanity, I don't know what it is.
57:24
Speaker 1: So before it turned to the UK. You you have
57:29
Speaker 1: done a little bit of research on Quest for Palestine,
57:33
Speaker 1: so I mean, which is of course this bizarre idea
57:37
Speaker 1: quist for Hamas. Essentially Hamas is known for throwing homosexuals
57:42
Speaker 1: other buildings and killing them and in discussing and perfect ways. Generally,
57:49
Speaker 1: Islam or the political Islam certainly is very anti homosexuality
57:55
Speaker 1: of and gayness in any queerness in any form. This
58:00
Speaker 1: is the most of all the combinations. It seems to
58:04
Speaker 1: be the weirdest because if they went to these places,
58:07
Speaker 1: they themselves know what would happen to them. You know,
58:10
Speaker 1: the Pastinas are not tolerant of this kind of behavior
58:13
Speaker 1: of religionous, at least within them. So how do we
58:18
Speaker 1: explain how do we explain this phenomena?
58:21
Speaker 3: Well, to explain this phenomenon, let's listen what queers for
58:25
Speaker 3: Palestine actually have to say. So I found a couple
58:28
Speaker 3: of these people who are serious, for the lack of
58:31
Speaker 3: a better term, And first of all, let's say they
58:33
Speaker 3: actually exist. So I thought that queers for Palestine is
58:37
Speaker 3: the creation of the right to make fun of them.
58:40
Speaker 2: They actually exist.
58:41
Speaker 3: So I want to read the short paragraph of one
58:45
Speaker 3: of these queer for Palestine people and we will see
58:47
Speaker 3: that here what we have is a deep, deep, deep
58:52
Speaker 3: failure of thinking and then epistemological failure in the West.
58:57
Speaker 3: But let's see what they have to say. This guy
59:00
Speaker 3: rights in Reddit, I'm a queer for Palestine. I acknowledge
59:06
Speaker 3: that Hamazon Palestinians generally hold pretty abhorrent views of gay people,
59:12
Speaker 3: and if I was openly gay over there, they would
59:15
Speaker 3: probably do awful things to me. Now pause the code.
59:21
Speaker 3: This is already for me fascinating. This already uses altruism.
59:27
Speaker 3: I am supporting people who I know that they would
59:29
Speaker 3: kill me. Let's go on, thanksays, I don't want to
59:34
Speaker 3: discuss the whole Palestinian.
59:36
Speaker 2: Thing blah blah blah blah.
59:38
Speaker 3: So why do I support a people who would want
59:41
Speaker 3: me dead if they knew who I was? It's pretty simple, really,
59:46
Speaker 3: The right to self determination extends to all people, not
59:51
Speaker 3: just to those who I agree with. It's not really
59:54
Speaker 3: my place to step in and say no, you people
59:58
Speaker 3: are too homophobic. You're not not allowed to make your
1:00:01
Speaker 3: own decisions. Again post here, notice the non judgmentalism. This
1:00:07
Speaker 3: poor kid has been taught that I am not allowed
1:00:10
Speaker 3: to judge these people. Do you see the poison of
1:00:14
Speaker 3: Edward's side here?
1:00:15
Speaker 1: But he would not he would judge me, He would
1:00:18
Speaker 1: judge you. Why would he judge us because.
1:00:23
Speaker 3: And he knows that the Hamas guy would judge him
1:00:26
Speaker 3: and he would kill him. But he says, I cannot
1:00:28
Speaker 3: judge them.
1:00:29
Speaker 1: Like judge because with Western civilization. So he's allowed to
1:00:33
Speaker 1: judge us because we're within his in group, within the
1:00:36
Speaker 1: world in which he lives. He can't judge outside of
1:00:39
Speaker 1: it exactly.
1:00:41
Speaker 2: And I genuinely feel pain for this kid because he
1:00:44
Speaker 2: looks to be intellectually sincere.
1:00:48
Speaker 3: But let's let's continue to me that's a recipe for
1:00:52
Speaker 3: disaster judging other people and justification for a repeat of
1:00:58
Speaker 3: the colonialism of previo use centuries. Pause again, So palestinal
1:01:04
Speaker 3: killing gaze is a lesser crime than using the philosophical
1:01:11
Speaker 3: let's say, scheme that gave us colonials, which is judging
1:01:15
Speaker 3: and using universal standards.
1:01:18
Speaker 2: Continue.
1:01:19
Speaker 3: There are many sovereign countries today that are as homophobic
1:01:23
Speaker 3: as Palestine. True, by the way, that doesn't make any
1:01:26
Speaker 3: other country justified in invading and occupying the people there.
1:01:32
Speaker 3: So that's why I think it's wrong to say that
1:01:34
Speaker 3: gay people should automatically be against self determination for the
1:01:38
Speaker 3: Palestinial people just because of homophobic So I found this
1:01:46
Speaker 3: actually very very revealing. It unlocks for me understanding this phenomenon.
1:01:53
Speaker 3: These are kids who are taught with the idea that
1:01:57
Speaker 3: you there is no universal right and wrong. We cannot
1:02:02
Speaker 3: agree what is right and wrong, so not even live
1:02:06
Speaker 3: and let live, die and let live, but don't judge.
1:02:12
Speaker 1: I mean, what's interesting about this is how universal this
1:02:18
Speaker 1: view is, how universal this view of kind of moral
1:02:23
Speaker 1: relativism when it comes to different cultures is. I mean,
1:02:26
Speaker 1: I'm my father telling me that, right. You know, my
1:02:31
Speaker 1: father was a center left smart you know, smart, but
1:02:37
Speaker 1: he said, you can't judge other cultures. Their morality is
1:02:40
Speaker 1: their morality. You can't judge them. I mean, I almost
1:02:43
Speaker 1: went back to him with so we can't judge Titler
1:02:46
Speaker 1: and if he if I did, he would say, yeah,
1:02:48
Speaker 1: but that's our culture, that's that's Western cultures. He can
1:02:51
Speaker 1: judge them within you know where that comes from. How
1:02:55
Speaker 1: you even you know, how you make any sense of
1:02:58
Speaker 1: that in your own mind, epistom logically makes no sense.
1:03:03
Speaker 1: But this is this is common among you know, this
1:03:06
Speaker 1: is common out there.
1:03:07
Speaker 3: This is not unusual, this perspective, and it's it's it's
1:03:11
Speaker 3: absolutely tragic because it takes away any tool that you
1:03:15
Speaker 3: have to defend.
1:03:17
Speaker 2: Said like, this guy doesn't even.
1:03:19
Speaker 3: Have the instinct of I need something to defend myself
1:03:25
Speaker 3: against you guys. And he's completely the tools have been
1:03:29
Speaker 3: taken away from him.
1:03:30
Speaker 1: And all he's got left is oppressor pressed. All he
1:03:34
Speaker 1: has left is what the new Left has been advocated,
1:03:37
Speaker 1: this intersectionality, you know, oppressor press mentality. Palestinians are pressed.
1:03:42
Speaker 1: That's it. They're the good guys. Now we just need
1:03:45
Speaker 1: to figure out who's oppressing him. Oh, obviously it's Israelis
1:03:48
Speaker 1: and they're successful. They're rich. The techies that you know,
1:03:52
Speaker 1: they must be bad, you know how else And if
1:03:56
Speaker 1: you have a zero some view of the world, which
1:03:57
Speaker 1: most leftists do in one way or the other, then
1:04:01
Speaker 1: obviously Israel is a rich because they oppressor Pelshniers.
1:04:05
Speaker 3: How crazy that iron Rand, with a couple of concepts
1:04:10
Speaker 3: has captured all this because at the end of the day,
1:04:13
Speaker 3: this is also altruism, because the one side is stronger
1:04:17
Speaker 3: than the other.
1:04:18
Speaker 2: We have to side with the other even if they
1:04:20
Speaker 2: would kill me. That's what this poor guy says. Yep, absolutely, Okay,
1:04:26
Speaker 2: sal we finished with the walking embodiments.
1:04:29
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the United Kingdom, subject you know a
1:04:33
Speaker 1: lot about.
1:04:35
Speaker 3: I'll just read a very short quote. People should try
1:04:39
Speaker 3: to guess who this person. This person is this This
1:04:43
Speaker 3: is from a talk in two thousand and nine, so
1:04:46
Speaker 3: we by that point we've seen we know who amass,
1:04:49
Speaker 3: we know who has ballized quote. Tomorrow evening it will
1:04:52
Speaker 3: be my pleasure and my ownor to host an event
1:04:56
Speaker 3: in Parliament where our friends from Hesbolla will be speaking.
1:05:01
Speaker 3: I've also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak
1:05:05
Speaker 3: as well.
1:05:06
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. The idea he guesses that there might
1:05:10
Speaker 2: be some pushback.
1:05:10
Speaker 3: So he says, the idea that an organization that is
1:05:14
Speaker 3: dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people and bringing
1:05:18
Speaker 3: about long term peace and social justice and political justice
1:05:24
Speaker 3: should be labeled as a terrorigist organization by the British
1:05:28
Speaker 3: government is really a big, big historical mistake.
1:05:33
Speaker 2: So who is this guy who says these derailing things?
1:05:35
Speaker 3: Who do you think it is? Is it a Freeing's activist?
1:05:40
Speaker 3: Is it maybe a Muslim? Is it maybe someone who
1:05:44
Speaker 3: is an agent of the Muslim brotherhood. No, this is
1:05:49
Speaker 3: a guy who came close to being the Prime Minister
1:05:53
Speaker 3: of the UK only a few years after he said that.
1:05:56
Speaker 2: This is Jeremy Corbin, the leader, the back then leader
1:06:01
Speaker 2: of the.
1:06:02
Speaker 3: Labor Party, our friends from Hamas, our friend from Hissbola,
1:06:06
Speaker 3: who are building a society of social justice and of
1:06:10
Speaker 3: peace in the region.
1:06:12
Speaker 2: And that's why I called it.
1:06:14
Speaker 1: You thought criminal, thought criminal. Goday Frank thought it was
1:06:19
Speaker 1: Tony Blair. Now it doesn't. That's not Tony Blair is
1:06:22
Speaker 1: better than that. Let's say, equal to reality, said Jeremy Cobyn.
1:06:28
Speaker 1: Christopher said Mayor of London could have been the Mayor
1:06:31
Speaker 1: of London. But no, I mean that would be too obvious.
1:06:34
Speaker 1: It's much more interesting that it's it's not a Muslim.
1:06:38
Speaker 3: So you have a leftist, a guy who built his
1:06:40
Speaker 3: career as a leftist, praising Hezbola and you your knows
1:06:45
Speaker 3: what does Hesbola stand for?
1:06:46
Speaker 2: What is the name stand for? The Party of God? Yep,
1:06:52
Speaker 2: the Party of God.
1:06:53
Speaker 1: So this is a movement dedicated to bringing Islam, not
1:06:57
Speaker 1: just to Lebanon, not just the Israel, not just to
1:07:01
Speaker 1: the Middle East. This is a party in its constitution,
1:07:04
Speaker 1: it's original constitution, dedicated to the conquest of Islam's conquest
1:07:09
Speaker 1: of the world. And to many Westerners that seems to
1:07:13
Speaker 1: have they can't be serious. No, these are like James
1:07:15
Speaker 1: Bond villains. They really believe in global conquest. They really
1:07:19
Speaker 1: do believe that Allah has given them their world and
1:07:24
Speaker 1: it's there for the taking. And h and risbel Ramas
1:07:28
Speaker 1: and Islami Jihad and al Qaeda and isis and all
1:07:31
Speaker 1: these organizations Muslim Brotherhood at the at they base all
1:07:35
Speaker 1: of them in the Iranian regime. This is why the
1:07:37
Speaker 1: Iranian regime can can can stand up to the United
1:07:40
Speaker 1: States because it believes that history and Allah, and the
1:07:45
Speaker 1: future is there. They will dominate the world because they
1:07:49
Speaker 1: are the final religion. There is no religion after Islam.
1:07:52
Speaker 1: This is it, and they take it seriously. This is
1:07:54
Speaker 1: religion fanaticism at you know, at its extreme. So for
1:07:59
Speaker 1: somebody like leftist to hail these people is stunning. But
1:08:06
Speaker 1: it shows the depths of his own hatred.
1:08:11
Speaker 3: And he does this in two thousand and nine. He
1:08:14
Speaker 3: doesn't do it in ninety eighty eight, where you say, okay,
1:08:17
Speaker 3: we don't know them that well, we haven't seen much.
1:08:19
Speaker 2: He does this in two thousand and nine.
1:08:21
Speaker 3: So the interesting thing in the UK is that the
1:08:23
Speaker 3: most prominent Semitic voices come from the left. People might
1:08:29
Speaker 3: have heard a guy called George Galloway. He's a guy
1:08:32
Speaker 3: who was kicked out of a labor because, I mean
1:08:36
Speaker 3: for various reasons, but to understand how much he hates Israel,
1:08:40
Speaker 3: he abstained from a vote that would recognize the Palestinian
1:08:45
Speaker 3: state in the parliament because if he voted for a
1:08:49
Speaker 3: Palestinian state, this would also assume that he would recognize
1:08:53
Speaker 3: that there is such a thing as an israel state.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: So he says, I prefer not to vote for a
1:08:58
Speaker 2: Palestinian state.
1:09:00
Speaker 3: If by this I don't pollute my hands by recognizing
1:09:05
Speaker 3: that there is this Jewish state. Someone mentioned the Mayor
1:09:10
Speaker 3: of London. There used to be a Mayor of London
1:09:13
Speaker 3: who was called Ken Livingstone yep. Also a superstar behind
1:09:19
Speaker 3: the Stop the War coalition which gave us this a
1:09:22
Speaker 3: huge mobilization around the war in Iraq. In two thousand
1:09:25
Speaker 3: and three, when he was Mayor of London, he hosted
1:09:29
Speaker 3: Seikh al Karawadhi. Saik al karawad is one of the
1:09:34
Speaker 3: most prominent Muslim Brotherhood intellectual leaders and Ken Livingstone again
1:09:41
Speaker 3: read Ken, a guy who made the name in the
1:09:44
Speaker 3: British left.
1:09:45
Speaker 2: He was okay with giving his.
1:09:51
Speaker 3: Sanction and having asked his guest, a prominent Muslim Brotherhood leader.
1:09:56
Speaker 3: The National Union of Students in the UK from the
1:09:59
Speaker 3: nine seve seventies it had banned many Jewish organizations. Why
1:10:05
Speaker 3: because it has no platform for racists and it claims
1:10:09
Speaker 3: that since the United Nations voted that that Zionism is racist,
1:10:15
Speaker 3: every Zionist is a racist. Again, this happened under the
1:10:19
Speaker 3: auspices of the British Left. So in the UK you
1:10:23
Speaker 3: have this toxic mix off the Stop the war Coalition,
1:10:29
Speaker 3: the just support for Palestine, Muslim groups that are basically
1:10:35
Speaker 3: fronts from the Muslim Brotherhood, and this horrendous, disgusting, disgusting.
1:10:41
Speaker 2: Organization called the Socialist Worker Party.
1:10:44
Speaker 3: And within these toxic myths, it's very difficult to see
1:10:50
Speaker 3: this and not understand, not accept that this is a
1:10:54
Speaker 3: trojan horse. And I don't I don't want to come
1:10:57
Speaker 3: up with conspiracy theories that there's forty money foreign money behind,
1:11:02
Speaker 3: but by the result of what I see there, this
1:11:05
Speaker 3: is a trojan horse. This is how not like the
1:11:11
Speaker 3: worst form of Islamism, like Muslim brotherhood level of Islamism
1:11:15
Speaker 3: has penetrated leftist groups, the student unions, and these days
1:11:22
Speaker 3: it is migrating to the Green Party. Now the Green
1:11:25
Speaker 3: Party becomes the center of this unholy red Green alliance
1:11:31
Speaker 3: because Corbin got the boot from the Labor Party.
1:11:34
Speaker 2: The Labor Party is not radical.
1:11:37
Speaker 3: Enough for these crazies, although it recognized the Palestinian state
1:11:42
Speaker 3: to congratulate perhaps the Palestinian leadership for October seven. So
1:11:50
Speaker 3: this is the example of where all these things that
1:11:53
Speaker 3: we discussed, these are the walking embodiments. The people who
1:11:57
Speaker 3: give talks Jeremy Corbin give talks and below you see
1:12:01
Speaker 3: the flags of Hesbola and flags people disagree. They say, ohthough,
1:12:05
Speaker 3: this looks like the ice Is flag, and they say,
1:12:07
Speaker 3: oh no, it's not the ice Is flag. It's a
1:12:08
Speaker 3: Muslim brotherhood flag. Like that's the that's the space of
1:12:12
Speaker 3: the of the of where the discussion is. So this
1:12:15
Speaker 3: is this is the UK, this is the UK today,
1:12:18
Speaker 3: this is the right.
1:12:20
Speaker 1: Now. I mean there's this new not new, but the
1:12:23
Speaker 1: takeover if you will, of the of the new leftist party,
1:12:26
Speaker 1: the Green Party in the UK.
1:12:29
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:12:30
Speaker 3: So again, if you want these days to have some
1:12:34
Speaker 3: appeal to the left, you need to be a Hassan Piker.
1:12:37
Speaker 2: You need to be that caliber of a person.
1:12:40
Speaker 3: And the Green Party has a guy called Zack Polanski
1:12:43
Speaker 3: who is who is this type of this type of leader.
1:12:47
Speaker 3: He understands that in order to attract support, I need
1:12:52
Speaker 3: to fall to the lowest law of the gatter And
1:12:56
Speaker 3: this is what happens. This is what happens in the
1:13:01
Speaker 3: in the UK. Now, I have the suspicion that I
1:13:05
Speaker 3: confuse his name with that director. No, Zach Pulaski called it.
1:13:10
Speaker 3: I called it right, yeah, so.
1:13:13
Speaker 1: Uh and and you know it's just is there the
1:13:15
Speaker 1: Greens of raising force.
1:13:18
Speaker 3: They have a lot of momentum. They have a lot
1:13:21
Speaker 3: of which it's what the Labor Party doesn't have. It's
1:13:25
Speaker 3: the only force of the besides the popular Stride, let's say,
1:13:30
Speaker 3: which has this momentum.
1:13:32
Speaker 2: And if you see particularly its campaigns in.
1:13:37
Speaker 3: Smaller provinces, often it runs it runs Muslim candidates. There's
1:13:43
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that except that most of these people,
1:13:46
Speaker 3: their number one subject they talk about is Gaza. It
1:13:50
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with even with environmental campaigns or
1:13:53
Speaker 3: with what they're going to do about the local community.
1:13:55
Speaker 3: It is always Gaza, boy catt, disinvest and and all
1:14:00
Speaker 3: that stuff.
1:14:04
Speaker 1: So is there anybody the people on the left to
1:14:07
Speaker 1: recognize the danger of this, and who are you know
1:14:12
Speaker 1: speaking up against it? Is there any hope for more
1:14:14
Speaker 1: rational do you?
1:14:17
Speaker 2: Do you see any hope?
1:14:18
Speaker 3: So if you see, for example, who are supposedly the
1:14:21
Speaker 3: serious leftist in the let's take the US, Ezra Klein.
1:14:26
Speaker 3: You see the New York Times, you see perpetuating the
1:14:31
Speaker 3: libel that there's a genocide in Gaza.
1:14:35
Speaker 2: You see him saying that Hassan Piker is not the enemy.
1:14:39
Speaker 3: So where is why would there be any hope you
1:14:42
Speaker 3: see Varufakis paying solidarity visits to the Iranian embassy solidarity visits.
1:14:51
Speaker 2: So why would I ever believe these guys when they
1:14:55
Speaker 2: tell me they care about women?
1:14:57
Speaker 3: Why would I ever believe these guys when they tell
1:14:59
Speaker 3: me they care about about gay people. So no, I
1:15:03
Speaker 3: don't see any hope. But the silver lining is these
1:15:07
Speaker 3: people can never fool us again. They can never claim
1:15:10
Speaker 3: that they have any moral high ground because we've seen them,
1:15:13
Speaker 3: we see who they are, and there's no return from
1:15:16
Speaker 3: from there.
1:15:16
Speaker 1: And in particularly in Europe, the left is is insignificant.
1:15:21
Speaker 1: I mean it's as compared to the populist way and
1:15:24
Speaker 1: the center white parties. I mean, which country in Europe
1:15:29
Speaker 1: has a raising tide of real left. I'm not talking
1:15:33
Speaker 1: about kind of the the social democratic, you know, centrist types, but.
1:15:39
Speaker 3: Well you could you could say France with Melanson. Yeah,
1:15:42
Speaker 3: but again there you have the Couse. Add to that,
1:15:46
Speaker 3: add to that the White wallsing of Russia. So there
1:15:50
Speaker 3: you have even an extra layer of the generacy.
1:15:53
Speaker 1: Yes, but he's gonna lose. I mean he's not gonna win, right,
1:15:56
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, of course, yeah, he's not gonna So
1:15:58
Speaker 1: my point is a raising left you got Yeah. I
1:16:00
Speaker 1: mean Spain is the would by a socialist coment right now,
1:16:04
Speaker 1: but he's very unpopular and if they had an election
1:16:07
Speaker 1: right now, you know, I don't think he would win.
1:16:11
Speaker 1: I can't think of a European country where the trend,
1:16:15
Speaker 1: the raising, you know, the expected victory in future elections
1:16:20
Speaker 1: is a real leftist body.
1:16:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there's nothing around Silka twenty ten, twenty twelve.
1:16:29
Speaker 3: You had the series I in Greece for Demos in Spain,
1:16:32
Speaker 3: Manson in France around twenty twelve. These days, no, so
1:16:36
Speaker 3: at least again that's a silver lining. Anyone who has
1:16:39
Speaker 3: an iota of a moral compass is disgusted by the left,
1:16:45
Speaker 3: and this is what they deserve. All these decades they
1:16:48
Speaker 3: had this facade of oh, we are progressive for the Enlightenment,
1:16:52
Speaker 3: we care about women. No, you are the people who
1:16:55
Speaker 3: stand with the wars of the war'st forces of history
1:16:59
Speaker 3: who want to take us back to the dark ages.
1:17:02
Speaker 2: And this is who you are. Yeah.
1:17:04
Speaker 1: And I think even in the United States, where they
1:17:07
Speaker 1: are going to win in the mid terms and maybe
1:17:10
Speaker 1: the presidency, people hate the left. The only thing that
1:17:14
Speaker 1: makes the left viable, the only person who makes the
1:17:17
Speaker 1: left viable is Donald Trump. And for those of you
1:17:21
Speaker 1: who don't want the left to succeed in America, the
1:17:25
Speaker 1: worst thing you could have done is support Trump, I
1:17:27
Speaker 1: mean actively support Trump, because Trump is the best thing
1:17:31
Speaker 1: that's ever happened to the left in the US. Yes,
1:17:35
Speaker 1: you know, because in comparison, I mean put aside who
1:17:39
Speaker 1: you think is worse. The fact is the American people
1:17:41
Speaker 1: were not accept didn't want the left, but now they
1:17:46
Speaker 1: don't want Trump. So what have they got left with?
1:17:48
Speaker 3: The question is what's going to happen when these kids
1:17:51
Speaker 3: who had their brain destroyed by post colonialism and all
1:17:57
Speaker 3: that stuff. Although they shouldn't led them of the hook
1:17:59
Speaker 3: they have will yeah, they But anyway, when these kids
1:18:04
Speaker 3: become more even more the opinion makers, and they they
1:18:10
Speaker 3: become more of the percentage of the political body, what's
1:18:13
Speaker 3: going to happen?
1:18:14
Speaker 1: But and think how many of those kids ultimately also
1:18:18
Speaker 1: became Goiper's right, So it goes both ways. Right, if
1:18:20
Speaker 1: you destroy their minds, it's not clear that we leftists,
1:18:24
Speaker 1: but they will be destroyed. Their minds will be destroyed,
1:18:27
Speaker 1: so they'll go either way. All right, this is great.
1:18:31
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys, uh get a deeper understanding of the
1:18:36
Speaker 1: Unholy Alliance, and I apologize for misspelling holy. I think
1:18:41
Speaker 1: I fixed it now, and for calling it a holy
1:18:45
Speaker 1: alliance when it should be an unholy alliance. Although it
1:18:47
Speaker 1: could be a holy Alliance. I guess it could. You
1:18:50
Speaker 1: could go either way on that one. So but yeah,
1:18:55
Speaker 1: thanks for let me remind you guys that you know
1:19:00
Speaker 1: these shows I mean possible by you. Nikos's time is valuable,
1:19:06
Speaker 1: My time is valuable. We put a lot of time
1:19:09
Speaker 1: into these shows and prepping them and getting them done,
1:19:13
Speaker 1: and we're splitting the super chat, so it's fifty to
1:19:16
Speaker 1: fifty on the Superchat. So this is why the goal
1:19:22
Speaker 1: for these shows is significantly higher than the fundraising goal
1:19:26
Speaker 1: for my shows alone, because then you're only paying me.
1:19:28
Speaker 1: Now you're paying both of us. So please consider that
1:19:31
Speaker 1: as you consider whether you are able and interested in
1:19:35
Speaker 1: supporting the show and how much you're going to.
1:19:39
Speaker 2: And not to guild people.
1:19:42
Speaker 3: But this show required to read five books and two articles,
1:19:47
Speaker 3: but even more than that, it required to sacrifice what's
1:19:51
Speaker 3: in World Cup games?
1:19:52
Speaker 1: Really?
1:19:54
Speaker 2: Yeah?
1:19:54
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean yeah, there's not enough money
1:19:58
Speaker 1: you could put in to compensate for that sacrifice.
1:20:01
Speaker 2: There is if people. If people said super.
1:20:03
Speaker 1: Chats, okay, so so what games have you watched?
1:20:11
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I haven't watched any proper game.
1:20:14
Speaker 3: One one could say it's because they are late, but
1:20:17
Speaker 3: that's not the that's only only reason I have to.
1:20:20
Speaker 3: I don't sacrifice my sleep because I want to wake
1:20:22
Speaker 3: up and be fresh and you but but come on,
1:20:26
Speaker 3: this is a joke of the World Cup. All these
1:20:28
Speaker 3: teams like what is the qtar Switzerland, like Kanada Bosnia,
1:20:32
Speaker 3: like no friends to carnade the Kannada Bosnia.
1:20:35
Speaker 2: Seriously, that's a world.
1:20:38
Speaker 1: No. I only watched one game and uh it was Moako,
1:20:44
Speaker 1: and I was surprised at how good the Molwaccans were.
1:20:49
Speaker 3: Rocco is good in the last World Cup they made
1:20:52
Speaker 3: they made it to the to the semi finals.
1:20:54
Speaker 2: And yeah, so no, I.
1:20:56
Speaker 1: Wasn't they played better than They played better than Brazil,
1:21:01
Speaker 1: you know, Chris passing. I mean really they dominated the
1:21:04
Speaker 1: mid you know, the they dominated the passing were they
1:21:09
Speaker 1: were really good and tough, you know. And the Brazilians
1:21:14
Speaker 1: just Brazilians don't don't seem to have it. They don't
1:21:17
Speaker 1: have the spark.
1:21:18
Speaker 3: Look, it was a mir generations we've seen Brazil teams
1:21:22
Speaker 3: that this team is, like, come on, that's not Brazil.
1:21:24
Speaker 3: Like I've seen ro Mario, I've seen Ronaldo, I've seen Rivaldo.
1:21:27
Speaker 3: I've literally seen Rivaldo play live in a game. So yeah,
1:21:31
Speaker 3: that's come on.
1:21:32
Speaker 2: Who cares.
1:21:33
Speaker 1: My first World Cup was PLA nineteen seventy, so yeah,
1:21:37
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, but I remember black and
1:21:39
Speaker 1: white television watching.
1:21:41
Speaker 3: Arguably, arguably people who have watched many teams, they say
1:21:46
Speaker 3: that was perhaps the best team, the most dominant Brazil team,
1:21:50
Speaker 3: at least since the fifties. Yea, in the modern mirror.
1:21:55
Speaker 1: Hotel, you know how to compare across everrors. But yes,
1:22:00
Speaker 1: it's an amazing team. All right. Let's see, so we
1:22:04
Speaker 1: have some questions. We have a way to go to
1:22:08
Speaker 1: reach our goal. So particularly, you know, you can do
1:22:11
Speaker 1: a sticker, which is without a question, and you can
1:22:15
Speaker 1: ask questions. Questions are great because that way you get
1:22:18
Speaker 1: Nikos and I to talk about what you want us
1:22:20
Speaker 1: to talk about. We have a few, We have a few.
1:22:25
Speaker 1: Let me let me thank the stickers first, Enrick, thank
1:22:27
Speaker 1: you self, subscriber fifty dollars, really appreciate that. Let's see
1:22:33
Speaker 1: who else do we have? Carolina from Mexico. Thank you Carolina,
1:22:38
Speaker 1: Exit and Zach and d Meta and and thank you
1:22:47
Speaker 1: Ann and John. All right, that's the stickers. We could
1:22:51
Speaker 1: do a lot more stickers. You guys could come in
1:22:53
Speaker 1: with a lot more so Mexico. I respect Mexico.
1:22:57
Speaker 3: They have this iconica, these I Gonick Stadium, I remember
1:23:02
Speaker 3: cool Mexican teams from the past, Hugo sanzz Yes, Mexico game.
1:23:07
Speaker 2: It should be in the World Cup, no questions, Katar.
1:23:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't win a single game last time when
1:23:13
Speaker 1: they hosted uh and didn't they they did? They lose
1:23:21
Speaker 1: to just I think one nothing or something like that.
1:23:23
Speaker 3: Wasn't even that they equalized with something that looked like
1:23:26
Speaker 3: like looked more like a goal.
1:23:28
Speaker 1: At the Okay, so yes, there's gonna be around of
1:23:34
Speaker 1: thirty two. It's just a very long thirty two.
1:23:37
Speaker 2: Thirty two used to be all the teams of the
1:23:38
Speaker 2: World Cup. What is the round of twenty two?
1:23:42
Speaker 1: Now?
1:23:42
Speaker 2: The question would be, if there are all these teams there,
1:23:44
Speaker 2: where is Greece?
1:23:45
Speaker 1: Okay, where's Italy?
1:23:49
Speaker 2: Resistently? Third consecutive World Cup?
1:23:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is bizarre? All right? In augh SOCCA, unless
1:23:56
Speaker 1: you ask, you can ask a super chat about about
1:23:58
Speaker 1: football and can talk about that. Let's let's go to
1:24:03
Speaker 1: super Chat. We've got shows about for two hundred dollars.
1:24:06
Speaker 1: One us to review a song.
1:24:09
Speaker 2: Weat song.
1:24:10
Speaker 1: It's ore e m.
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Speaker 2: O em.
1:24:14
Speaker 1: The song is called stand.
1:24:17
Speaker 2: Okay wait, I assume this is for next time.
1:24:20
Speaker 1: Right, yeah? Yeah, so for Sunday, next Sunday ori em stand.
1:24:25
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll write it down later.
1:24:27
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you. I appreciate that same person who
1:24:32
Speaker 1: had us do Starman.
1:24:33
Speaker 3: Of course I remember he's also yes, he's he's also
1:24:37
Speaker 3: my patron, and he asks good questions.
1:24:39
Speaker 1: So yes, good, all right, Wes, you have one hundred dollars,
1:24:43
Speaker 1: and says I just finished Mister Sunshine a few minutes ago.
1:24:46
Speaker 1: What a wonderful show, one of the best I've ever seen.
1:24:50
Speaker 1: I'm glad you agree with me, Wes, I love that
1:24:53
Speaker 1: show good.
1:24:55
Speaker 2: I started watching it.
1:24:56
Speaker 3: I don't remember why I stopped, but it seems to
1:24:59
Speaker 3: be the one thing every objectivist likes. I thought the
1:25:02
Speaker 3: ultimate objectivist film was Whiplass, but I think there are
1:25:07
Speaker 3: more people who suggest Mister Sunshine even than Whiplass.
1:25:11
Speaker 1: Whiplash was Whiplash. I know a lot of objectives who
1:25:15
Speaker 1: didn't like it, I know quite a few years. I mean,
1:25:19
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I know a lot of objectives who
1:25:21
Speaker 1: didn't like it. And Leonard, you know, made a comment
1:25:27
Speaker 1: about whitlash, which which also already sways. I think a
1:25:30
Speaker 1: lot of people.
1:25:31
Speaker 3: But I think he I remember where I was when
1:25:35
Speaker 3: I heard it. I think he said he went back
1:25:38
Speaker 3: to back then, wats it five times?
1:25:40
Speaker 1: Something like that.
1:25:41
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I'm with leernerd another handred percent.
1:25:44
Speaker 1: So, mister Sunshine, I take one hundred percent credit for
1:25:48
Speaker 1: no objectivist has ever met never mentioned it before I did.
1:25:52
Speaker 1: I was the first objectivist as far as I know,
1:25:54
Speaker 1: to watch it and to tell people about it, and
1:25:57
Speaker 1: it's kind of spread since then.
1:25:59
Speaker 2: So and you also said the trend with a most
1:26:03
Speaker 2: violent year.
1:26:04
Speaker 1: I really liked that movie, Yes, I but again I
1:26:08
Speaker 1: know people who don't. But I think but we watched
1:26:13
Speaker 1: it a few months ago and I liked it again,
1:26:16
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a fair Alim Ali Ali Ali Musa
1:26:24
Speaker 1: Ali Musa. Okay, there you go. How do identify a cult?
1:26:29
Speaker 1: Do you have a one question that can identify cultists?
1:26:33
Speaker 2: M hmm. By the way, let me say something here.
1:26:36
Speaker 3: You know, when I I was learning about Objectives and
1:26:40
Speaker 3: I heard the Objectives as a cult being in the
1:26:43
Speaker 3: Objective's movement. It's so not even close to a cult,
1:26:48
Speaker 3: which is it's so I for some time I had
1:26:51
Speaker 3: this tweet or I used to say this in the
1:26:54
Speaker 3: Daily Objective back in the day with if we're a cult,
1:26:57
Speaker 3: we're the worst cult ever, Like, how is this a cult?
1:26:59
Speaker 2: We can't disagree all the time, and.
1:27:06
Speaker 1: How do you identify a cult? I mean, I think
1:27:11
Speaker 1: the characteristics of it as compared to just any tribe.
1:27:15
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to you've got a you know,
1:27:20
Speaker 1: a charismatic leader who who basically everybody uh succumbs too.
1:27:29
Speaker 1: I mean he they do what he tells them to do.
1:27:33
Speaker 1: And you know there's a so uh it's very much
1:27:39
Speaker 1: you know, oriented around a personality. If you think about
1:27:43
Speaker 1: all the cults, there's always somebody, some charismatic leader in
1:27:48
Speaker 1: the middle of it. There's a certain mindlessness to it.
1:27:52
Speaker 1: People are just doing what they're told to do. You
1:27:59
Speaker 1: know what else would character as a cult.
1:28:04
Speaker 3: Discussion is discardags serious discussion. Everything is because I said.
1:28:09
Speaker 1: So, yeah, so any challenges to the dogma is completely discouraged.
1:28:15
Speaker 1: You can't you can't challenge the jagua and the dogma
1:28:18
Speaker 1: is the cult leader. That is, he can change his mind,
1:28:21
Speaker 1: but you can't. And you can't question the leader. You
1:28:26
Speaker 1: and if anybody takes initiative, it's another thing. If anybody
1:28:30
Speaker 1: within the cult takes initiative there was not endorsed by
1:28:33
Speaker 1: the leader, that's not acceptable. So every action has to
1:28:37
Speaker 1: be ultimately endorsed by the leader. They usually have a
1:28:41
Speaker 1: sexual component to them. I think almost every cult has
1:28:45
Speaker 1: some you know, uh uh, the leader gets asleep with
1:28:49
Speaker 1: a lot of the women in the cult, and uh yeah.
1:28:55
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's one question. I don't think
1:28:57
Speaker 1: there's one question.
1:29:00
Speaker 2: Exception of the sexual past part.
1:29:02
Speaker 3: This reminds me a lot of my experience in the
1:29:05
Speaker 3: Communist Party, though in the postal you need there's not
1:29:09
Speaker 3: one leader, but the autom the suffocating atmosphere where you
1:29:13
Speaker 3: look behind your back to to say anything even remotely
1:29:17
Speaker 3: critical is is something that it must have been way
1:29:22
Speaker 3: worse back in the day when the communist parties were
1:29:24
Speaker 3: more serious in terms of where in the business of
1:29:30
Speaker 3: we're gonna kill you, We're gonna we're gonna come to
1:29:32
Speaker 3: power with violence, and you better be careful.
1:29:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's every authoritarian regime has that right.
1:29:39
Speaker 1: An artist was certainly cult like and uh, but you know, so,
1:29:46
Speaker 1: I think what differentiates is the sensuality of you know,
1:29:51
Speaker 1: the leader, you know, the the death cult, suicide cults,
1:29:57
Speaker 1: you know cults that have committed suicide, millennial cults, but
1:30:04
Speaker 1: they were always led by some prophet like character. There
1:30:08
Speaker 1: is there is driving the whole thing.
1:30:10
Speaker 3: And it is better to be wrong with the cult
1:30:15
Speaker 3: than right against the cult, even when it is to
1:30:18
Speaker 3: the interest of the cult.
1:30:20
Speaker 2: So I it's a long story.
1:30:21
Speaker 3: I'll say it at some other point, but there was
1:30:23
Speaker 3: one point where I offered very very valuable information to
1:30:27
Speaker 3: the Communist Party about something. And because I took an
1:30:31
Speaker 3: initiative to get that information that I was not explicitly
1:30:35
Speaker 3: told to do so. Not only it was declined, but
1:30:39
Speaker 3: I was seen with a lot of disfavor, which is
1:30:42
Speaker 3: absolutely absolutely crazy.
1:30:45
Speaker 1: Yep, it's but yes, So that that's it. Chasba says
1:30:54
Speaker 1: another note on storman Starman was pro abortion. Imagine if
1:31:00
Speaker 1: she had told Jenny, You're going to have my baby
1:31:03
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. Instead he said, if
1:31:06
Speaker 1: you do not want this baby, tell me now, I
1:31:09
Speaker 1: will stop it. In a sense, he can, he can
1:31:12
Speaker 1: cause it to abode.
1:31:13
Speaker 3: Yes, I think what the reason why he says this
1:31:16
Speaker 3: is because otherwise it sounds a bit like, you know,
1:31:22
Speaker 3: sexual violence that he didn't he didn't ask her about it.
1:31:26
Speaker 3: So I think it just wants to be a gentleman
1:31:29
Speaker 3: and actually not to be seen like a creep even then.
1:31:34
Speaker 3: So this is some and I'm saying this in a
1:31:36
Speaker 3: good way political correctness that otherwise it would be extra
1:31:39
Speaker 3: creepy and I violation.
1:31:42
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, but that's the whole anti abortion thing is creepy.
1:31:47
Speaker 1: And because it does say, you know that if if
1:31:52
Speaker 1: if a woman gets pregnant, even not in her fault,
1:31:55
Speaker 1: even now, you know that's it. She's stuck. That's that's finished.
1:31:58
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the The anti botion movement is
1:32:02
Speaker 1: a creepy movement in the same kind of in that
1:32:05
Speaker 1: exactly that sense, particularly ones that won't have exclusion for
1:32:09
Speaker 1: incest and no exclusion for rape and no exclusion for
1:32:11
Speaker 1: all the stuff that is real creepiness. All right, This
1:32:18
Speaker 1: is from Will. I can't pronounce his family name, all right.
1:32:24
Speaker 1: Will says, if the cues, if the cues for p
1:32:32
Speaker 1: care more about self determination, queers for Palestine, for Palestine
1:32:38
Speaker 1: care more about self determination than human life. Why the
1:32:41
Speaker 1: hatred for Israel protecting itself? If we should, if we
1:32:48
Speaker 1: shouldn't judge? When how do they decide to condemn It's
1:32:53
Speaker 1: calling Israeli's Europeans the loophole. Yeah, it's calling them westerners,
1:32:58
Speaker 1: western civilization, right, it's it's the fact that they're otherwise.
1:33:02
Speaker 1: Notice Christopher, Palestine don't have any issue with Muslims killing Muslims,
1:33:09
Speaker 1: colonialists killing colonials supposed to killing you know, the post
1:33:14
Speaker 1: colonials killing post colonials, like the Somali's killing each other,
1:33:17
Speaker 1: the Knees killing each other, or the Iranians. Did any
1:33:21
Speaker 1: of these people say anything about the Iranian regime killing
1:33:24
Speaker 1: forty thousand people of their own people. No, it's only
1:33:28
Speaker 1: when a Western country, right. I mean, they make a
1:33:32
Speaker 1: big deal about the US accidentally bombing the school in
1:33:35
Speaker 1: Yuan where I supposely one hundred and sixty Goals died.
1:33:39
Speaker 1: That is an outrage. But the Iranians killing forty thousand
1:33:46
Speaker 1: school goals in a sense when the Goals revolution was
1:33:50
Speaker 1: on and they were killing them, not a peep. So
1:33:53
Speaker 1: it's all about the Western origin of the oppressor. If
1:33:57
Speaker 1: the oppressor comes to the East, doesn't mean they have
1:34:00
Speaker 1: no opinion about it.
1:34:02
Speaker 2: And let me ask you something else.
1:34:04
Speaker 3: If self determination is this magic world, then we should
1:34:08
Speaker 3: be with the Confederacy right because they said self that
1:34:11
Speaker 3: self determination is sacred.
1:34:13
Speaker 2: Forget what we're doing.
1:34:15
Speaker 3: Self determination is the drum card that nullifies everything else.
1:34:20
Speaker 3: So are to these people then defend the statute of
1:34:24
Speaker 3: generally They don't.
1:34:27
Speaker 1: They don't because again in the West, and anything associated
1:34:31
Speaker 1: with Western civilization is sinful almost by definition. That is,
1:34:36
Speaker 1: it's not even color skin, it's do you hold Western values.
1:34:41
Speaker 1: Israel is, you know, technically hotly white. Half the population
1:34:46
Speaker 1: was born in Arab countries, some of them in Africa,
1:34:49
Speaker 1: some of them in in in Arabia. And yet because
1:34:53
Speaker 1: they're in a country they represents Western civilization, they all
1:34:57
Speaker 1: get tughed with the colonialist label and therefore they're the
1:35:00
Speaker 1: bad guys by definition. And it doesn't matter if even
1:35:03
Speaker 1: if Palestini's didn't exist, is it would be a sinful,
1:35:08
Speaker 1: hubbable country. They would find some other way to attack Israel.
1:35:12
Speaker 1: Some of the reason, Oh right, Glenn says, great discussion,
1:35:19
Speaker 1: love these shows. One hundred dollars really appreciate that. Glenn,
1:35:22
Speaker 1: Thank you selfie, subscriber. What do you think wisdom means conceptually?
1:35:29
Speaker 1: Thanks for the show fifty dollars thank yourself to subscriber wisdom.
1:35:33
Speaker 1: You have any thoughts on wisdom?
1:35:35
Speaker 3: I was just about to say thank you for the supertip,
1:35:37
Speaker 3: but that's a question for your own. So let's think
1:35:41
Speaker 3: about it. What would be the difference between wisdom? Okay,
1:35:44
Speaker 3: so it's like I'm using my mind and reason, but
1:35:48
Speaker 3: I've used it so much that now i can do
1:35:50
Speaker 3: it more effortlessly, and I'm also recognized as such.
1:35:56
Speaker 1: It's I think it's it's a your knowledge. Wisdom is
1:36:00
Speaker 1: a sign of integrated knowledge, and this is why it
1:36:04
Speaker 1: needs time, right you can't be probably not Why is
1:36:06
Speaker 1: when you're young, because you're starving at the time to
1:36:09
Speaker 1: integrate your knowledge, integrated with knowledge of history, with life experience,
1:36:14
Speaker 1: with your philosophical So wisdom is the integrated you know,
1:36:20
Speaker 1: the a knowledge that is well integrated. That's how I
1:36:26
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a formal definition, but that's how
1:36:27
Speaker 1: I described it. Wisdom that is well integrated into both
1:36:32
Speaker 1: life experiences and into the body of knowledge that exists
1:36:37
Speaker 1: out the history philosophy and things like that.
1:36:40
Speaker 3: So it looks like ain Rand thought that there was
1:36:44
Speaker 3: sat thing as wisdom, not as something the way you
1:36:48
Speaker 3: describe it. Because allegedly, when Leonard pink Of turned forty,
1:36:52
Speaker 3: shee joke, he sets up like okay, now I can
1:36:54
Speaker 3: take you seriously or something like that. So see believing
1:36:57
Speaker 3: the importance of time in much food in your mind.
1:37:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, she believed that. She. I mean, Leonard just told
1:37:03
Speaker 1: this story and he says, and she held it. You know,
1:37:07
Speaker 1: a philosopher under forty could not be taken too seriously.
1:37:11
Speaker 1: That you needed that time to be able to integrate,
1:37:14
Speaker 1: to mature, to develop, and and she gave him a
1:37:17
Speaker 1: special gift on his on his fortieth birthday, and and
1:37:23
Speaker 1: kend to recognize, Okay, now you're a philosopher. Now I
1:37:26
Speaker 1: now I can take you seriously now and and yes,
1:37:29
Speaker 1: it's it's about time and and uh and maturing and uh.
1:37:34
Speaker 1: And I think it's I think wisdom probably captures that
1:37:39
Speaker 1: I'm just looking to see. I don't think she ever
1:37:42
Speaker 1: talks about wisdom as a you know, qua wisdom. I
1:37:45
Speaker 1: don't think there's any I don't have any quote with
1:37:48
Speaker 1: that is, but you like.
1:37:51
Speaker 2: Hugh Acton's not thirty five.
1:37:54
Speaker 1: Yes, there's so. Wisdom comes with age. It's not you
1:37:58
Speaker 1: can't be younger. I mean, I guess you could be,
1:38:00
Speaker 1: but it's unusual to be young and wise. And when
1:38:02
Speaker 1: you see somebody who's young as wise, that's an you know,
1:38:04
Speaker 1: that's exceptional. It's just something there. So it's about this
1:38:07
Speaker 1: massive integration that happens through experience and through knowledge.
1:38:12
Speaker 3: And definitely, for example, Howard Rock is not wise. He
1:38:16
Speaker 3: makes mistakes that can be understood, yes by virus facts
1:38:20
Speaker 3: that he wouldn't make these mistakes. He wouldn't again accept
1:38:24
Speaker 3: these Peter Keating commissions. After ten years, let's say he.
1:38:28
Speaker 1: Becomes wise through the novel. Yeah, as he learns the
1:38:33
Speaker 1: principle behind the Dean A Molten Splendor fifty dollars. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: Moulten Splendor. Still a fun and interesting show. Thank you.
1:38:43
Speaker 1: Keep it up. Still, it's only like number four or five.
1:38:48
Speaker 1: We intend to do hundreds of these and keep them
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1:38:51
Speaker 2: So thank you. That's a that's a meaningful that's a
1:38:56
Speaker 2: meaningful comment.
1:38:57
Speaker 3: Because we want to make this knowledge access absolutely user friendly.
1:39:02
Speaker 2: User friendly, user friendly. Good.
1:39:05
Speaker 1: We're doing great on the super chat thanks you guys,
1:39:07
Speaker 1: But but but keep it coming. We we have not
1:39:09
Speaker 1: achieved the goal yet, so we're.
1:39:11
Speaker 3: Speaking of a of a program that provides value. What
1:39:14
Speaker 3: did I tell you two weeks ago that the New
1:39:16
Speaker 3: York Knicks being in the finals. It's not a sporting development,
1:39:21
Speaker 3: it's a cultural development.
1:39:22
Speaker 2: It's a cultural news. And you saw that in the
1:39:25
Speaker 2: last in the last two weeks.
1:39:27
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right. I mean New York is the
1:39:30
Speaker 1: enemy in my mind, so so it's yeah, but and
1:39:36
Speaker 1: it's amazing what they did. I mean, you know, the
1:39:40
Speaker 1: the the West was clearly favored whoever was going to
1:39:45
Speaker 1: come out of the West, and uh and the Knicks
1:39:48
Speaker 1: and they came back from these ridiculous laws and you know,
1:39:52
Speaker 1: and and it's not like San Antonio's badly coached. So
1:39:58
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing what they did.
1:39:59
Speaker 3: So now do you see again wisdom like this is
1:40:01
Speaker 3: a team that has been growing for years. The Spurs
1:40:05
Speaker 3: were not mentally they too young, Yes, the young, it
1:40:10
Speaker 3: will take time. The future is all is all theirs.
1:40:13
Speaker 1: Ye all right, I like numbers, says in response to
1:40:19
Speaker 1: the show. But yet in a two party system, you'd
1:40:23
Speaker 1: still advise we vote this alliance in because of your
1:40:27
Speaker 1: interpretation of dim that the weight is the biggest threat.
1:40:33
Speaker 1: I guess that's to me. I don't view that. So
1:40:39
Speaker 1: I don't view the Democratic Party as this alliance completely.
1:40:43
Speaker 1: It certainly influenced this, the elements of this alliance and
1:40:46
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, but it's still you know, if you
1:40:49
Speaker 1: look at the number of uh, you know, there are
1:40:51
Speaker 1: way too many senators on the left who aligned with Islam,
1:40:55
Speaker 1: but it's a minority. It's not the majority of senators
1:40:58
Speaker 1: in a Democratic Party. And look, I don't want you
1:41:01
Speaker 1: voting for the left, you know, I'd rather you voting
1:41:04
Speaker 1: for somebody better. But there is nobody better. So there's
1:41:09
Speaker 1: this alliance or the alliance of Donald Trump or Tucker Carlson.
1:41:14
Speaker 1: In spite of the fact that you repudiated him, I
1:41:16
Speaker 1: still think they were allied. What do you want or JD.
1:41:19
Speaker 1: Vans and Tucker Colson. Let's take the next election. Let's
1:41:22
Speaker 1: say it's JD. Vans versus you know, the likely candidate
1:41:27
Speaker 1: from the Democrats will be the governor of California. I
1:41:33
Speaker 1: don't think they have no California is aligned with Islam,
1:41:36
Speaker 1: with Muslims. People within his party are. But I know
1:41:41
Speaker 1: what jd Vance and Tucker Carlson wants to do and
1:41:45
Speaker 1: I know who they hate. So yeah, we're screwed. I mean,
1:41:49
Speaker 1: my messages was screwed. My message is not yes, let's
1:41:52
Speaker 1: vote through the left, because I think the left are
1:41:53
Speaker 1: wonderful and they're amazing, and they I think it's screwed.
1:41:56
Speaker 1: I mean, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, you're screwed. No matter
1:42:01
Speaker 1: who you vote for, your screwed. My argument was, by
1:42:04
Speaker 1: voting for Trump, you bring out the worst elements on
1:42:07
Speaker 1: the left and you bring out the worst elements on
1:42:10
Speaker 1: the right. I think Kamala Harris would have been horrible,
1:42:14
Speaker 1: but the backlash against there would have been of a
1:42:16
Speaker 1: better right than a Donald Trump because Donald Trump would
1:42:20
Speaker 1: have lost. Donald Trump losing would have sent a message
1:42:24
Speaker 1: to certain type of right winger and the Republican Party
1:42:27
Speaker 1: would have had to recalibrate. And Donald Trump winning has
1:42:32
Speaker 1: brought out the worst elements in both left and right.
1:42:35
Speaker 1: So in my view, if this coalition left in Islam
1:42:41
Speaker 1: wins in the long run in America, it's because you
1:42:44
Speaker 1: guys voted for Trump. Now I don't hold that for Europe.
1:42:49
Speaker 1: In Europe, I support voting for the conservative Party in
1:42:53
Speaker 1: the UK, because I think they're saying they're not good,
1:42:56
Speaker 1: you know, the awful. Although Kemy, I'm a fan of
1:42:59
Speaker 1: chem Is. She'll probably she'll probably disappoint me, but I'm
1:43:04
Speaker 1: a fan of hers. I would vote for Chemmy. I
1:43:06
Speaker 1: would vote for the Conservatives, you know, even when they
1:43:09
Speaker 1: had bad people there, they just wann't despicable human beings
1:43:12
Speaker 1: like Trump, and they weren't undermining the very ideas that
1:43:18
Speaker 1: we believe in, you know. And if I was in Germany,
1:43:21
Speaker 1: I would vote for the center right. I don't know
1:43:23
Speaker 1: who i'd vote in France for it's such it's fans
1:43:26
Speaker 1: is such a disaster. But you know, given the alternative
1:43:29
Speaker 1: of a of a of a far leftist, I'd probably
1:43:33
Speaker 1: vote for the National Fund, assuming that they moderate, that
1:43:37
Speaker 1: what's his name moderates. But I don't, you know, you know, yep.
1:43:42
Speaker 1: So you know, you have to think about the context
1:43:44
Speaker 1: of a particular election, and you have to think about
1:43:47
Speaker 1: not just the next four years, and you have to
1:43:50
Speaker 1: think about the entire context of what what is about
1:43:53
Speaker 1: I think, as I've said many times, Trump is a
1:43:56
Speaker 1: uniquely bad president human being, an influence on American politics
1:44:03
Speaker 1: and on the Republican Party, and well, now it's too late,
1:44:06
Speaker 1: because the influence is there. You know, it's it's you.
1:44:11
Speaker 1: You guys who voted him to power. You know, will
1:44:14
Speaker 1: suffer the consequences. We all will suffer the consequence of
1:44:16
Speaker 1: what is to come. If if Hillary had won in
1:44:19
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, the world would be a better place today
1:44:23
Speaker 1: in my view, not because of Hillary, not because of Hillary,
1:44:27
Speaker 1: but because she wouldn't have She wouldn't have made the
1:44:31
Speaker 1: world an image. You know, I think if John Kerry
1:44:33
Speaker 1: would have won in twenty two thousand and four, I
1:44:35
Speaker 1: think the world would be a better place. But that's
1:44:37
Speaker 1: a whole, that's that's now we're shifting. But you know,
1:44:41
Speaker 1: it's just you have to look at the particular election.
1:44:43
Speaker 1: You have to look at what you think would happen afterwards.
1:44:45
Speaker 1: Think about I'll just give you the John Kerry argument.
1:44:48
Speaker 1: Think about John Kerry being blamed for the financial crisis,
1:44:51
Speaker 1: the Democrats being blamed for the financial financial question. Think
1:44:54
Speaker 1: about the Democrats being blamed for the for the uprising
1:44:58
Speaker 1: in Iraq and for the failure in you walk because
1:45:02
Speaker 1: because you know, it's a completely different future, you don't
1:45:05
Speaker 1: get Obama. Wow, I mean just not having Obama is
1:45:09
Speaker 1: a huge benefit to humanity. And because you don't get Obama,
1:45:13
Speaker 1: you don't get Trump. And if you don't get Trump,
1:45:15
Speaker 1: that's a huge benefit for humanity. So just that one election,
1:45:20
Speaker 1: that one election, the Bush getting a second term, which
1:45:23
Speaker 1: everybody supported, certainly most objectivist, had an incredibly destructive chain
1:45:31
Speaker 1: of events. So that's how I look at politics.
1:45:35
Speaker 2: I understand.
1:45:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, But to answer to our friends, Yeah, in Europe,
1:45:38
Speaker 3: I am almost a single who voter. Whatever is against
1:45:43
Speaker 3: the left Islamic Alliance these days has my vote with
1:45:48
Speaker 3: the proviso, I would not vote for prostitutes of the
1:45:52
Speaker 3: Kremlin if I have any any suggestion that these pol
1:45:58
Speaker 3: have any leagues.
1:46:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a no for me. Yeah, I'd rather stay
1:46:02
Speaker 2: at home.
1:46:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I agree with Nicos. You know, I think
1:46:07
Speaker 1: the Islam problem is much bigger in Europe. I mean,
1:46:10
Speaker 1: order is a magnitude bigger than the United States. There's
1:46:13
Speaker 1: still only three percent of the American population. You know,
1:46:17
Speaker 1: it's a threat locally in particular areas, and the jokes
1:46:21
Speaker 1: when they get into Congress, but you know that is
1:46:25
Speaker 1: not that is not the issue. Shape But in Europe
1:46:29
Speaker 1: it's a civilizational battle and it's a problem. And just
1:46:35
Speaker 1: like here, I think the Left Islam alliance has the
1:46:39
Speaker 1: potential ultimately to bring about the rise of a really
1:46:43
Speaker 1: bad right wing right, so fascism could rise as a
1:46:48
Speaker 1: respond to this. Again, you have to think about how
1:46:51
Speaker 1: are these things playing off of each other. So the
1:46:54
Speaker 1: ideal today would be, you know, to in Europe, US
1:46:57
Speaker 1: has more parties, so you can it's trying to two
1:47:01
Speaker 1: party systems. Hey, uh, you know, that's a question I've answered.
1:47:06
Speaker 1: So it's actually a question of answered so many times,
1:47:09
Speaker 1: and I like numbers has been here long enough that
1:47:11
Speaker 1: these said give the answer so many times and it
1:47:17
Speaker 1: you know, they don't accept it.
1:47:18
Speaker 3: And I think people don't understand something when you claim
1:47:22
Speaker 3: that the projective future is that we're going to end
1:47:25
Speaker 3: up with right wing author retireing. Is this does not
1:47:28
Speaker 3: even mean necessarily that in the balance you say this
1:47:32
Speaker 3: is worse than the left. It is just a projection
1:47:36
Speaker 3: that because the left is so bad and chaotic, soon
1:47:40
Speaker 3: it will lose, but it will lose to that type
1:47:43
Speaker 3: of person. So it's I don't understand what's so controversial there.
1:47:46
Speaker 3: I mean I first heard you say this in Ancle.
1:47:49
Speaker 3: It was like a light bulb moment for me, like, oh, yeah,
1:47:52
Speaker 3: the left is so bad, therefore we're going to end
1:47:54
Speaker 3: up with a different type of author retirement is because
1:47:57
Speaker 3: it's more digestible to the masses of people.
1:48:01
Speaker 1: Said, looks like just because we're talking about Trump, it
1:48:03
Speaker 1: looks like Trump is freaking out and insisting the deal
1:48:08
Speaker 1: gets signed on his birthday, which is today, and the
1:48:11
Speaker 1: Katari's are in Tehran right now, getting the Uranians to
1:48:16
Speaker 1: sign and convincing they're not to launch on Israel. And
1:48:20
Speaker 1: Trump has said, even if the Iranians don't sign, I
1:48:23
Speaker 1: will sign. So he's willing to sign the dal even
1:48:25
Speaker 1: if the Ranians don't. I mean, it is so pathetic.
1:48:31
Speaker 1: His behavior over the last two months has been so
1:48:34
Speaker 1: pathetic that I don't get anybody who still thinks there's
1:48:38
Speaker 1: even a semblance of anything good about him. It's it's
1:48:42
Speaker 1: like a three year old child, you know. Anyway, that
1:48:47
Speaker 1: is that is the breaking news, all right. Fud Rocker
1:48:52
Speaker 1: says Vietnam abandoned collective farming under US embargo and immediately
1:48:57
Speaker 1: became a top three global glow white export. Why doesn't
1:49:02
Speaker 1: an explicit example like this make socialist question their view?
1:49:07
Speaker 3: Well, you you my friend, you mentioned something that is
1:49:12
Speaker 3: very specialized knowledge. How is it that the two, if
1:49:17
Speaker 3: not three different families of Soviet Union did not persuade people.
1:49:21
Speaker 3: The Berlin Wall did not persuade people. They armageddon of
1:49:26
Speaker 3: deaths in China did not persuade people.
1:49:28
Speaker 2: So it's it's the forest over there.
1:49:31
Speaker 3: What the example you give is a good one, But
1:49:34
Speaker 3: don't expect these people to be persuaded by anything. If
1:49:37
Speaker 3: they haven't seen the forest, they will not see the tree.
1:49:41
Speaker 1: It's a moral ideal detached from reality. No facts cansuade them.
1:49:48
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's so many examples that the
1:49:52
Speaker 1: first village that that in a sense pseudo privatized in China,
1:49:56
Speaker 1: and certainly they had food and the color activisation of
1:50:00
Speaker 1: farming in Venezuela, which used to be the bad basket
1:50:02
Speaker 1: of South America, and then and then they started starving.
1:50:06
Speaker 1: I mean, it's over and over again. There's never been
1:50:08
Speaker 1: a collectivization of food production in a country where they
1:50:11
Speaker 1: haven't resulted in you know, uh, a starvation.
1:50:16
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter when Vietnam is another example of what we
1:50:19
Speaker 2: were saying earlier.
1:50:20
Speaker 3: When the Americans left, no one cared anymore, one iota
1:50:23
Speaker 3: about what happened in Vietnam.
1:50:24
Speaker 1: Yes, yep. And that's another one where it was about
1:50:29
Speaker 1: the deal. We need a deal, uh. And so there's
1:50:33
Speaker 1: a deal between North and South Vietnam, and Kissinger got
1:50:36
Speaker 1: the Nobel Peace Prize for that deal. And a few
1:50:39
Speaker 1: months after, a few months later, the few months later
1:50:42
Speaker 1: in North Vietnam invades wipes South Vietnam out, and you
1:50:45
Speaker 1: get those horrible pictures of the United States leaving, and
1:50:48
Speaker 1: nobody nobody thinks Kissinger bad that. You know, nobody nobody
1:50:53
Speaker 1: resents Kissenser about it. He's an over prize when a
1:50:55
Speaker 1: cool for him. You know, nobody actually draws conclusions from
1:51:00
Speaker 1: these things. Nobody actually learns anything, No one.
1:51:03
Speaker 3: First of all, don't people make the connection that China
1:51:07
Speaker 3: used today a superpower and one of the reasons is
1:51:11
Speaker 3: Kissing their.
1:51:14
Speaker 2: Masterclass in taking.
1:51:16
Speaker 3: China on our side against the Soviet Union, a Soviet
1:51:18
Speaker 3: Union which was already collapsing, by the way. So it's
1:51:21
Speaker 3: not that this handemy serious effect in the Cold War
1:51:23
Speaker 3: if we want to if we want to be to.
1:51:26
Speaker 1: Be serious, Alimos says, people ignore that Arabs have been
1:51:35
Speaker 1: were surprised and made ignorant by five hundred years of
1:51:39
Speaker 1: Turkish occupation, that.
1:51:42
Speaker 3: The leaders of the Arabs nationalists were not ignorant until
1:51:45
Speaker 3: many of them were West educated.
1:51:48
Speaker 1: And I think that story, I just don't think that
1:51:51
Speaker 1: story is right. I mean, sadly, the Muslim world turned
1:51:57
Speaker 1: away from in Let before the certainly before the Tooks invaded.
1:52:06
Speaker 1: They actually did it just before the Mongols invaded. If
1:52:08
Speaker 1: you want to blame anybody, I would blame the Mongols,
1:52:10
Speaker 1: not the not the Tuks. But you know they were
1:52:14
Speaker 1: already turning away. Ghazalil Ghazali, the the Islamist philosopher who
1:52:20
Speaker 1: who told them to turn their backs on reason and
1:52:23
Speaker 1: turn their backs on Greek philosophy and embrace, embrace Islamic mysticism.
1:52:29
Speaker 1: It's much more responsible for you know, Arab ignorance or
1:52:34
Speaker 1: Islamic ignorance than are the Tooks. The Tooks just followed
1:52:39
Speaker 1: through with it. They continued with that, and they they
1:52:43
Speaker 1: reinforced it. But it was Islam itself. It came from
1:52:45
Speaker 1: Islam itself. It wasn't an external force, all right. Michael says,
1:52:52
Speaker 1: how is Jerry Seinfeld a billionaire? I never found him funny?
1:52:58
Speaker 3: Agree with that he has something fresh almost in every episode.
1:53:04
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's funny.
1:53:07
Speaker 2: So Michael, it doesn't matter what I think. Billions of
1:53:10
Speaker 2: people think he's finny.
1:53:11
Speaker 1: That's why you say, exactly, Michael, what you think is
1:53:13
Speaker 1: irrelevant sawry to say, but what you find as funny
1:53:16
Speaker 1: as irrelevant. The reality is that the show Seinfeld is
1:53:20
Speaker 1: one of the most successful television shows in history. It
1:53:23
Speaker 1: was not only when it ran live was it hugely popular,
1:53:28
Speaker 1: but then in syndication it was syndicated over and over
1:53:30
Speaker 1: and over again. When Seinfeld goes on the road and
1:53:34
Speaker 1: does stand up comedy, he packs them in. I saw
1:53:37
Speaker 1: him once at a huge venue in Las Vegas with
1:53:41
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of people, just just massive. So he's
1:53:46
Speaker 1: owned it.
1:53:46
Speaker 3: You know.
1:53:47
Speaker 1: Now, if you don't find it funny, that's fine. I
1:53:50
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people hate apple products. It doesn't
1:53:54
Speaker 1: matter enough people love apple products to make Apple worth
1:53:58
Speaker 1: what two three trillion dollars, So you know, it's it's
1:54:02
Speaker 1: what's relevant is the marketplace, not your particular evaluation, and
1:54:07
Speaker 1: in this case, you and the minority. Now I don't
1:54:09
Speaker 1: particularly like Seinfeld, so I'm a little bit with Michael.
1:54:13
Speaker 1: Although everybody in my family loves Seinfelt. I found him
1:54:16
Speaker 1: too jewish, new artic or too real in a sense.
1:54:22
Speaker 1: So I never liked it, but I get it. People
1:54:25
Speaker 1: find it funny, and good for Seinfeld for being that
1:54:28
Speaker 1: successful given given the people found it funny.
1:54:32
Speaker 3: I haven't what Zion felt in the way of what friends,
1:54:35
Speaker 3: because I discovered late in life.
1:54:37
Speaker 2: But philosophically it's it's.
1:54:42
Speaker 3: Better than Friends, so it's almost equally funny, and it
1:54:47
Speaker 3: hasn't got the disgusting philosophical premises of Friends. So yeah,
1:54:52
Speaker 3: I would take Zion fell over Friends.
1:54:55
Speaker 1: So here's the question for you, because you've lived in
1:54:59
Speaker 1: a then you say you like Friends? Did you ever
1:55:03
Speaker 1: watch Coupling?
1:55:06
Speaker 3: Season one of Coupling is the most underrated Season is
1:55:10
Speaker 3: the most underrated comedy.
1:55:12
Speaker 2: I'm so surprised that someone knows Coupling.
1:55:14
Speaker 3: I found it by coincidence because I was working in
1:55:17
Speaker 3: a shop and one day it had DVDs that were
1:55:20
Speaker 3: giving it away for a pound.
1:55:22
Speaker 2: I got the DVD. These were the days before met Flick.
1:55:25
Speaker 3: It was absolutely hilarious, particularly this guy who doesn't appear
1:55:29
Speaker 3: that the kind of goofy guy who is like George
1:55:31
Speaker 3: and Seinfeld.
1:55:32
Speaker 2: Absolutely hilarious.
1:55:34
Speaker 3: Go watch a Coupling, people season one, season one, the
1:55:38
Speaker 3: funny guy is not there.
1:55:40
Speaker 1: One of the no, no, the two or three seasons
1:55:44
Speaker 1: that he's in. Only the last season is out, like
1:55:47
Speaker 1: season four or something, so he's there beyond the first season.
1:55:51
Speaker 2: Maybe it's been many years. These were my first years
1:55:55
Speaker 2: in the game.
1:55:57
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure because I've watched Coupling more than once
1:56:01
Speaker 1: every season, so and I watched that when it first
1:56:04
Speaker 1: came out, So I watched it way back when it
1:56:07
Speaker 1: first arrived in the US. In some way, I think
1:56:10
Speaker 1: it's one of the funniest shows ever. I think it's hysterical.
1:56:14
Speaker 1: There are scenes that I still have freshened my mind.
1:56:18
Speaker 1: You know of of you know of, And it plays
1:56:22
Speaker 1: with masculinity and femininity. It plays with sex. It makes
1:56:26
Speaker 1: fun of men, but then if it makes fun of women,
1:56:28
Speaker 1: it's just it's just. It has some of the best
1:56:33
Speaker 1: little monologues comedic monologues ever. So I yeah, it's one
1:56:37
Speaker 1: of my favorite shows.
1:56:39
Speaker 3: And in the other days it will also be nostalgia material.
1:56:43
Speaker 3: You will see people smoking in pubs. It's gonna be
1:56:46
Speaker 3: like we used to be real.
1:56:48
Speaker 1: Smoking in pubs is a big deal for nicos, So paths.
1:56:52
Speaker 3: Were never I remember, so you know, people say, name
1:56:55
Speaker 3: the one day that the West went down here middle
1:56:59
Speaker 3: of July two thousand and seven with the Smoking Band,
1:57:02
Speaker 3: and I mean, I'm not even joking. I think although
1:57:05
Speaker 3: of course smoking is bad and all that stuff, if
1:57:08
Speaker 3: you see all the forces that came together in the
1:57:11
Speaker 3: smoking Band, the idea that you don't have property rights,
1:57:14
Speaker 3: the idea that you don't know what to do with
1:57:17
Speaker 3: yourself and your body, and we have others to make it.
1:57:20
Speaker 3: The smoking Band is the focal point in the decline
1:57:22
Speaker 3: of the left. It can be a separate episode.
1:57:26
Speaker 1: I believe that although I never liked any place, I
1:57:31
Speaker 1: was the one who wouldn't go to the place if
1:57:33
Speaker 1: they smoked.
1:57:33
Speaker 3: So you know, that's that's understandable. That's a different that's
1:57:37
Speaker 3: a different discussion.
1:57:38
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's now official. I'm right. A coupling has
1:57:42
Speaker 1: four seasons, three seasons with the quirky guy. Okay, only
1:57:48
Speaker 1: the fourth season is he not there, and it's not
1:57:51
Speaker 1: as good. But the three seasons a fantastic, the hysterical,
1:57:58
Speaker 1: and yeah, you I should definitely definitely definitely check it out.
1:58:05
Speaker 1: We agree on this too. This is good.
1:58:09
Speaker 3: Well, don't disagree on many things. When it comes to
1:58:11
Speaker 3: popular art and things like that.
1:58:13
Speaker 1: Probably not, Probably not all right, This is from incredible
1:58:20
Speaker 1: something I've seen more and more people use the excuse
1:58:25
Speaker 1: there's no ethical consumption onder capitalism for buying things and
1:58:30
Speaker 1: people or corporations they don't like. Where does this argument
1:58:35
Speaker 1: come from and how do we argue against it? There's
1:58:39
Speaker 1: no ethical consumption on the capitalism.
1:58:42
Speaker 3: First of all, the mere discussion about ethical consumption is
1:58:46
Speaker 3: already a defeat for the left because they moved their
1:58:51
Speaker 3: activist from the level of changing the production system from
1:58:55
Speaker 3: the factory. Now it becomes to all my own lifestyle choices.
1:59:00
Speaker 3: My first book which I don't recommend because it's an
1:59:02
Speaker 3: academic one, The Rise of Lifestyle Activism, This is what
1:59:06
Speaker 3: lifestyle activist means that now you fight the system by oh,
1:59:10
Speaker 3: I bought this matsa coffee which is from this indigenous
1:59:15
Speaker 3: tribe with the co op. No an actual real leftist,
1:59:20
Speaker 3: we say, this is this is just you are. You're
1:59:24
Speaker 3: trying to to put a human face to capitalism.
1:59:28
Speaker 1: But here is saying there's no ethical consumption under capitalism,
1:59:34
Speaker 1: and thefore they buy whatever, because anything they buy on
1:59:38
Speaker 1: the capitalism, which is the belief that this is the
1:59:40
Speaker 1: common system is going to be unethical. Stay minus well,
1:59:43
Speaker 1: buy it from anything. That's the next step.
1:59:45
Speaker 2: That's exactly, that's the next step.
1:59:47
Speaker 3: That's the cope. The not millennials, how they're called the zillennials.
1:59:52
Speaker 3: They cannot live without their iPhone. So now they say,
1:59:56
Speaker 3: you know what, ethical consumption failed. Therefore I'm wanna buy
2:00:00
Speaker 3: one one knife on every three months.
2:00:02
Speaker 2: What can I do? And why?
2:00:04
Speaker 1: Is all consumption unethical? Because all consumption is the right
2:00:07
Speaker 1: from exploitation, So all business exploits. There's just no other way.
2:00:13
Speaker 1: As soon as you have a salaried employee, that is exploitation.
2:00:20
Speaker 1: So theoretically, if you buy from a co op, but
2:00:24
Speaker 1: who did the co op buy it stuff from? Even
2:00:26
Speaker 1: the co op bought it probably from people who are
2:00:28
Speaker 1: paying salaries to other people, so you know the whole
2:00:34
Speaker 1: They've got a kind of a superficial understanding of Marx,
2:00:38
Speaker 1: and so all they've taken from Marx is, uh, the
2:00:42
Speaker 1: the laborer, you know, boss laborer relationship is unethical. Theyre
2:00:46
Speaker 1: for all businesses unethical. They're for all production is unethical.
2:00:50
Speaker 1: Therefore all consumption is unethical. I don't think Marx would
2:00:53
Speaker 1: ever think that way, you know. But that's how the
2:00:57
Speaker 1: modern left. They're not very you know, they're not very sophisticated.
2:01:00
Speaker 1: That's how they process it. So, yes, all consumptions and
2:01:03
Speaker 1: the capitalism. Now, how do you argue against it, Well,
2:01:06
Speaker 1: you have to argue against the very idea that capitalism
2:01:11
Speaker 1: is exploited. If you have to go to the core,
2:01:13
Speaker 1: you have to talk about this is how we organize
2:01:16
Speaker 1: ourselves under freedom. This is this is voluntary exchange, the
2:01:19
Speaker 1: benefit of trade and labor is just a trade, it's
2:01:23
Speaker 1: just it's just a form of trade, and therefore ethical.
2:01:26
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's basically condemning all business and then
2:01:31
Speaker 1: they buy stuff because what's the option, what choice they have?
2:01:35
Speaker 2: You know, it's like altruism. It's impossible to practice it.
2:01:40
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, Molten splendor. If over fifty percent of
2:01:45
Speaker 1: the population that live in a mixed economy are not
2:01:48
Speaker 1: willing to be independent or self sufficient and one to
2:01:53
Speaker 1: be taken care of by the government, how is the
2:01:55
Speaker 1: world ever going to change?
2:01:57
Speaker 3: Well, you see this in Europe. It's probably more more
2:02:00
Speaker 3: than fifty percent. So this is our predicament.
2:02:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the challenge is to convince people that
2:02:06
Speaker 1: their lives are worse off because they're accepting handouts, because
2:02:11
Speaker 1: they're accepting all this stuff. And we cannot do that
2:02:16
Speaker 1: and will not do that until we have a dominant
2:02:21
Speaker 1: intellectual presence and that includes not just intellectual ideas. But
2:02:27
Speaker 1: I'll say no, it's so. Until we can project the
2:02:31
Speaker 1: idea of a of a human being with self esteem,
2:02:38
Speaker 1: working in the world, creating in the world, and living
2:02:41
Speaker 1: the best life possible. But do that in every plane,
2:02:46
Speaker 1: with you know, hundreds of intellectuals telling the story and
2:02:52
Speaker 1: artists writing scripts about it, we can't win. So it's
2:02:57
Speaker 1: going to require a lot.
2:03:00
Speaker 3: Imagine how our drawer or what's his name, the guy
2:03:04
Speaker 3: who Matthew mcconnach he plays in Interstellar. Imagine such figures saying, oh,
2:03:09
Speaker 3: you know, I don't feel like working this month.
2:03:11
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my check.
2:03:13
Speaker 3: It's impossible with people who you imagine have people of
2:03:16
Speaker 3: self esteem, to pixure them in a situation where the
2:03:19
Speaker 3: just way it is so it's first of all, the
2:03:21
Speaker 3: meaning for yourself. It's demeaning. It destroys your soul to
2:03:26
Speaker 3: become this person.
2:03:28
Speaker 1: And if we have intellectual saying that over and over
2:03:30
Speaker 1: and over again, we can convince some of them. Some
2:03:33
Speaker 1: of them will just go with us because they're mindless
2:03:37
Speaker 1: and they follow the leaders, and they follow the latest
2:03:39
Speaker 1: intellectual trend. We need to become the latest intellectual trend.
2:03:42
Speaker 1: We need to become the dominant intellectual trend in the culture.
2:03:45
Speaker 1: Otherwise nothing will change. And to do that you need scale.
2:03:49
Speaker 1: You need scale, which means a lot of intellectuals, and
2:03:52
Speaker 1: you need art to back it up.
2:03:55
Speaker 3: I'm very glad this discussion is opening, and it's it's pressing.
2:04:01
Speaker 3: It's pressing.
2:04:04
Speaker 1: Discussion has been going on forever, but but it's always
2:04:07
Speaker 1: good to continue having the discussion and to and to
2:04:10
Speaker 1: energize it. Absolutely. Michael, what would privatizing Central Park look like? Well,
2:04:17
Speaker 1: as it happens, Central Park is private. So Central Park
2:04:21
Speaker 1: was built by private individuals who formed the committee and
2:04:25
Speaker 1: created a I think it was a nonprofit and uh,
2:04:28
Speaker 1: and they bought the land and they created Central Park
2:04:32
Speaker 1: And to this day it's run by a private, nonprofit
2:04:37
Speaker 1: entity that runs everything in the park. So now that
2:04:42
Speaker 1: that was easy, and think about that model for the
2:04:46
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon. Why can't the Grand Canyon be run like that?
2:04:49
Speaker 1: I mean, what is the what does the state have
2:04:51
Speaker 1: to own the Grand Canyon. And and you know, and
2:04:54
Speaker 1: and you could even imagine that in a certain section
2:04:56
Speaker 1: of the Grand Canyon, they they they they let a
2:04:59
Speaker 1: few people build I don't know, a beautiful homes for
2:05:04
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars each and with the best view
2:05:07
Speaker 1: in the world of it. But you know, but you know,
2:05:09
Speaker 1: they decide where and how and privately. Okay, So Zach
2:05:18
Speaker 1: just has one word on it that I cannot pronounce,
2:05:21
Speaker 1: taxo plus mosis. You have no idea what that means.
2:05:27
Speaker 1: I don't either, Sorry, Zach, have no idea. It sounds Greek,
2:05:30
Speaker 1: but taxo plus mosis.
2:05:35
Speaker 2: I'm Greek, and I don't get it.
2:05:37
Speaker 1: Taxa plus moses, I mean, unless I'm probably mispronouncing it.
2:05:43
Speaker 1: But we need to take it, dollarge. The New York
2:05:46
Speaker 1: City can be fixed. This is Chris. Anyone who voted
2:05:50
Speaker 1: for I'm Donnie can be educated. New York City can
2:05:53
Speaker 1: be America's trash dump. I don't know why you think that.
2:05:57
Speaker 1: I was just in New York.
2:05:59
Speaker 2: Now.
2:05:59
Speaker 1: There were a lot of problems in New York and
2:06:01
Speaker 1: it's dirty and there's too much trash piling up. But
2:06:04
Speaker 1: it's easy to fix. I could fix it in give me,
2:06:06
Speaker 1: give me, give me less than a year in New
2:06:09
Speaker 1: York could be fixed, I mean, could be fixed tomorrow.
2:06:12
Speaker 1: It's it's easy, right, So all you have to do
2:06:16
Speaker 1: is get rid of in control and get rid of
2:06:19
Speaker 1: all the stupid zoning requirements, of building requirements, and you know,
2:06:25
Speaker 1: wind down, dramatically wind down the welfare and initially take
2:06:29
Speaker 1: all that welfare money and spend it on cleaning up
2:06:32
Speaker 1: the city. Just just just on hiring private contractors to
2:06:37
Speaker 1: clean the city, and then finding a way to give
2:06:39
Speaker 1: incentives to shopkeepers and condo buildings to take care of
2:06:44
Speaker 1: the pavement in front of the road. Maybe a tax bak.
2:06:48
Speaker 1: If if if in front of your thing it's clean,
2:06:52
Speaker 1: then you get a tax bak. It's so easy. New
2:06:55
Speaker 1: York is the easiest place in the world to save.
2:06:58
Speaker 1: Now I can't. I don't have a solution for the
2:07:02
Speaker 1: people in a sense that I don't have a solution
2:07:05
Speaker 1: for how you get the people to vote for that solution.
2:07:08
Speaker 1: But it's not hard, you know, in terms of policy
2:07:13
Speaker 1: to fix New York, and New York is still I
2:07:16
Speaker 1: was just there. Guys, until you go to New York,
2:07:21
Speaker 1: you shouldn't talk about New York is the principle. I
2:07:24
Speaker 1: mean with Mom Dannie and with the fact that things
2:07:27
Speaker 1: some things are falling apart and everything. I didn't go
2:07:30
Speaker 1: to the subway, and I won't go to the subway.
2:07:31
Speaker 1: But New York's magnificent. It's amazing, it's beautiful. They've got
2:07:37
Speaker 1: new skyscrapers. There's there's a whole area in Fifth Avenue
2:07:40
Speaker 1: that they've just cleared and they're building, and you building
2:07:43
Speaker 1: on and and you know, I did a lot. We
2:07:46
Speaker 1: walked a lot along Fifth this time, and you could
2:07:48
Speaker 1: just see all the pretty skyscrapers, interesting skyscrapers, unusual sky scrapers,
2:07:53
Speaker 1: kind of I like architecture, so the new modern stuff.
2:07:57
Speaker 1: It's an amazing place.
2:07:59
Speaker 2: So it's it's not dead yet.
2:08:00
Speaker 1: Don't don't bury in. I think New York will survived.
2:08:03
Speaker 1: Ma'm donny, ma'm donny is a is a is so
2:08:06
Speaker 1: weak and pathetic. He can't destroy New York.
2:08:09
Speaker 3: And you said earlier about the Jewish humor that he's
2:08:12
Speaker 3: too close at home. I'm a big fan of Woody
2:08:15
Speaker 3: Island movies. It's he's perhaps the director of most films.
2:08:20
Speaker 3: If you see his seventies eat eighties movies on New York.
2:08:25
Speaker 3: You get the sense that this is again a New
2:08:27
Speaker 3: York in crisis, and then again it went it went up,
2:08:30
Speaker 3: or like the most violent here the title of the
2:08:32
Speaker 3: movie that was literally ninety eighty three.
2:08:34
Speaker 2: So yeah, don't be don't at all of the black.
2:08:38
Speaker 1: People New York. Murder way is way down, way down.
2:08:42
Speaker 1: Other crimes might not be, but murder is way down.
2:08:45
Speaker 1: It's one of the safest places in America. From it's
2:08:49
Speaker 1: just a murder at least, right, Daniel, do you think
2:08:53
Speaker 1: the US learned team can make a run? Oh, it's football.
2:09:00
Speaker 2: It isn't very good.
2:09:01
Speaker 3: It has a very good coach, it has a good striker,
2:09:04
Speaker 3: it has a good midfielder, and as it happened in
2:09:08
Speaker 3: ninety four, it has captured the imagination of people. By
2:09:13
Speaker 3: the way, speaking of Team USA, go people at google
2:09:17
Speaker 3: United States Football World Cup nineteen ninety four second kit
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Speaker 3: and find this gray kid with the stars. My hot
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Speaker 3: take is the President of the United States when he travels,
2:09:29
Speaker 3: he should wear a suit.
2:09:31
Speaker 2: Whenever not wearing a suit, he should have this uniform.
2:09:33
Speaker 3: Right, you see this uniform, you want to start shouting
2:09:37
Speaker 3: USA and check it When Alex Lallas is wearing it,
2:09:41
Speaker 3: Alex Lallas was a Greek America. He's still around the
2:09:44
Speaker 3: Greek American. But he had this hair and the mustachs.
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Speaker 3: So find us kid, second kid ninety four, Alex Lallas.
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Speaker 2: You'll think me later, all right?
2:09:57
Speaker 1: They won for one against Paraguay. They looked really good.
2:10:00
Speaker 1: Who knows how far they can go? Yeah, grants you
2:10:04
Speaker 1: live through a few rapid periods of market change. Cell phones, Internet,
2:10:10
Speaker 1: e commerce two thousand and eight, and now AI AI
2:10:14
Speaker 1: is my first and I feel it's changing and updating
2:10:17
Speaker 1: way too fast to keep up with. How did you
2:10:20
Speaker 1: keep up and stay calm in rapid times of change?
2:10:24
Speaker 1: I find change exciting, so I don't want to be calm.
2:10:28
Speaker 1: I want to be excited, and I don't view it
2:10:30
Speaker 1: as a threat. I just find it as exciting. Now
2:10:33
Speaker 1: AI has the potential to be much bigger than any
2:10:36
Speaker 1: of those. But you know, I was there when the
2:10:39
Speaker 1: first computers came out, and I was excited about that,
2:10:42
Speaker 1: and you know, I loved working on them. And you
2:10:45
Speaker 1: know I was skeptical about cell phones and then got
2:10:48
Speaker 1: all excited about cell phones, and so I don't know,
2:10:52
Speaker 1: it's just my orientation has always been this is amazing,
2:10:56
Speaker 1: This is cool. I want to embraced and I have
2:10:58
Speaker 1: to tell you I'm playing a round a lot with Ai.
2:11:02
Speaker 1: I think it's super cool. Uh. It does amazing things,
2:11:07
Speaker 1: you know.
2:11:07
Speaker 2: I I.
2:11:10
Speaker 1: Now when I when I'm curious about something, I asked AI.
2:11:12
Speaker 1: And even if you know today there's some uh there's
2:11:15
Speaker 1: some procession outside of condo here with a big Puerto
2:11:18
Speaker 1: Rican flag and people yelling and music and honking and
2:11:22
Speaker 1: all this stuff. We were We're the only route to
2:11:26
Speaker 1: the state House and the Governor's mansion, so anybody who
2:11:29
Speaker 1: ever wants to march march is right by our condo.
2:11:32
Speaker 1: And I was like, what's going on? So, you know,
2:11:35
Speaker 1: they say, chetchbt, what's special about today in Puerto Rico
2:11:38
Speaker 1: And it's some I don't know, some Puerto Rican day
2:11:40
Speaker 1: in New York. And they were sympathetic, sympathizing with it. So, uh,
2:11:44
Speaker 1: it's replaced Google Search. It's you know, it summarizes information amazingly.
2:11:52
Speaker 1: Once in a while it gets things wrong, but not
2:11:55
Speaker 1: often and it's not you know, and you can used
2:11:58
Speaker 1: to catch it. So I'm excited. And now, if you're
2:12:04
Speaker 1: in the midst of your job career, you have to
2:12:06
Speaker 1: take your attitude has to be. I need to figure
2:12:10
Speaker 1: this out. And this this is true of computers, this
2:12:12
Speaker 1: is true of the Internet. I need to figure this
2:12:15
Speaker 1: out and make it part of my life so that
2:12:19
Speaker 1: whatever happens to jobs, I will be ready, you know.
2:12:22
Speaker 1: And that's that. So when the Internet came out, playing
2:12:25
Speaker 1: around the Internet, trying to figure out getting the best
2:12:27
Speaker 1: you know, in those days, connection was awful, trying to
2:12:29
Speaker 1: get the best connection, figuring out how it worked, getting
2:12:32
Speaker 1: a browser, just embracing whatever it is. And then you know,
2:12:38
Speaker 1: when YouTube was out, trying to do a show on
2:12:40
Speaker 1: YouTube or do a do a you know, just jump
2:12:44
Speaker 1: into it. And now soon I'll have some announcements about
2:12:48
Speaker 1: you on AI. So you know, I'm I'm jumping into
2:12:52
Speaker 1: the next one. So just take a positive attitude and
2:12:55
Speaker 1: embrace it and try to try to figure out how
2:12:58
Speaker 1: to impact your life and out impact your job and
2:13:02
Speaker 1: jump into it.
2:13:04
Speaker 2: And to our friends, adopt a bit more of an
2:13:07
Speaker 2: elitist to look. So think about it.
2:13:09
Speaker 3: The masses will use AI for stupid reasons in the
2:13:11
Speaker 3: same way they use Google and YouTube to watch cut videos.
2:13:15
Speaker 3: You will use it in a different way and for
2:13:18
Speaker 3: you it will become an accelert or a multiplier.
2:13:22
Speaker 2: So you shouldn't be afraid of it. You should see it.
2:13:24
Speaker 3: You will have a competitive advantage if you use your
2:13:27
Speaker 3: mind properly.
2:13:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, And yeah you've already got a competitive
2:13:33
Speaker 1: advantage because because you're thinking about it, most people are
2:13:36
Speaker 1: just they're not and now use it, yeah, to create
2:13:40
Speaker 1: to create cat videos, you know, not to white cat videos.
2:13:43
Speaker 1: So the fact that you can thinking about it is good.
2:13:48
Speaker 1: But you know, positive and embrace and take it seriously.
2:13:52
Speaker 1: It's coming and it's going to change the world. Grant,
2:13:56
Speaker 1: thank you for the fifty dollars, really really appreciating. Good
2:13:59
Speaker 1: luck with with whatever happens on you in your pursuit
2:14:03
Speaker 1: of AI. All right, self is subscribe, but also fifty
2:14:06
Speaker 1: dollars In general, do you think political advocate politically advocating
2:14:10
Speaker 1: for individualism can be construed as a liability risk on
2:14:14
Speaker 1: a government's balance sheet? What? What your president? Do you
2:14:20
Speaker 1: think has been the most anti individual over a country's history?
2:14:27
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you mean by can be
2:14:30
Speaker 1: construed as liability or risk on a government's balance sheet.
2:14:32
Speaker 1: I don't see how, and in what way and in
2:14:35
Speaker 1: what sense that would be the case. I don't see
2:14:38
Speaker 1: it as a balance sheet issue. But I don't see
2:14:41
Speaker 1: the downside of advocating for individualism as a politician. I mean,
2:14:44
Speaker 1: the downside is you don't get elected, But if you did,
2:14:47
Speaker 1: what would be the downside of then advocating for it?
2:14:54
Speaker 2: And if you do it in the right way, it
2:14:57
Speaker 2: speaks to people.
2:14:59
Speaker 3: No one will be heard if they say, hey, your
2:15:01
Speaker 3: life matters, you have one life lived if you use
2:15:05
Speaker 3: this language. So I don't think it's a deal breaker
2:15:10
Speaker 3: or it's a political suicide to talk about these things.
2:15:14
Speaker 1: And what your person do you think had the most
2:15:18
Speaker 1: anti individual of our country's history? I mean, certainly the
2:15:24
Speaker 1: early one, the early twentieth century ones had probably the
2:15:27
Speaker 1: biggest lasting impact. I don't know, Woodwell Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt
2:15:32
Speaker 1: and then FDR reshaped America and reshaped the way we
2:15:36
Speaker 1: think about America and reshaped it towards a anti individualistic trend.
2:15:42
Speaker 1: So you know, i'd say, you know, those three, you know,
2:15:50
Speaker 1: are probably the most responsible for the collectivization of America, FDR,
2:15:57
Speaker 1: Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt.
2:15:59
Speaker 3: There I was having a look at Peter Schwartz book.
2:16:02
Speaker 3: I don't remember what I was looking for, but at
2:16:04
Speaker 3: some point he has collected some quotes by American politicians
2:16:08
Speaker 3: against individual men for altruism, and it's the unbelievable. So
2:16:12
Speaker 3: it's we forget how bad many many a line of
2:16:16
Speaker 3: many presidents have been.
2:16:18
Speaker 2: But you're going to talk about service.
2:16:19
Speaker 3: It's it's it's so you can't believe that this comes
2:16:22
Speaker 3: from an American president.
2:16:26
Speaker 1: Tom an excellent and necessary topic. Ran so so much
2:16:30
Speaker 1: of this coming best wishes from London. Thanks Tom, Thank
2:16:34
Speaker 1: you Tom, uh Daniel thoughts and your ill Lapide. I
2:16:41
Speaker 1: mean he's a central maybe center left hotel Centrius Israeli politician,
2:16:49
Speaker 1: was the leader of the opposition. You know, I don't
2:16:54
Speaker 1: have strong feelings one way or the other. I mean,
2:16:56
Speaker 1: it's not awful, it's not terrible. It's not some rabbit leftist.
2:16:59
Speaker 1: But he's a little weak. I think he's and he's
2:17:03
Speaker 1: not particularly good in economic issues or but neither's Natanio.
2:17:08
Speaker 1: So you know, we're talking about what are the options here.
2:17:12
Speaker 1: He's good looking, I'll give him that, but he's I
2:17:18
Speaker 1: think he's he's just a milk toast in trist who's articulate,
2:17:23
Speaker 1: and you know he's not stupid. He's smart and look
2:17:25
Speaker 1: at foreign policy. Basically, if you look at the leaders
2:17:29
Speaker 1: of the political parties in Israel right now, Natanieu Lapide
2:17:35
Speaker 1: and Lapide isn't the same political party as as what's
2:17:39
Speaker 1: his name Bennett, Ben Talily, Bennett and Lieberman and Eisenkott.
2:17:49
Speaker 1: All of those guys basically agree. There's very little difference
2:17:53
Speaker 1: between them when it comes to Lebanon Ramas and Ion.
2:17:57
Speaker 1: Like the opposition now is telling Natonel stop a whim
2:18:00
Speaker 1: bombing ran right, So you know there's no there's no
2:18:04
Speaker 1: when it comes to phone policy, there's almost no left
2:18:07
Speaker 1: in Israel. There's there's a very small left and the
2:18:11
Speaker 1: error parties who tend to be left on this issue,
2:18:13
Speaker 1: but there's no left in Israel. So Israel is a
2:18:17
Speaker 1: center right country. Everybody's center right. And then you have
2:18:21
Speaker 1: the religious parties, which only the left or right, they're
2:18:24
Speaker 1: just religious and whatever stamp. And then you have kind
2:18:28
Speaker 1: of far right religionist parties, so you have nationalist religious
2:18:32
Speaker 1: nationalist parties. But the bulk if people got along with Nataniel,
2:18:38
Speaker 1: then you could form a political You could form a
2:18:40
Speaker 1: government in Israel that basically agreed on almost everything with
2:18:44
Speaker 1: like seventy eighty you know mandates out of one hundred
2:18:48
Speaker 1: and twenty, you would have an overwhelming majority. The problem
2:18:51
Speaker 1: in Israeli politics is not ideas, its personalities and the
2:18:55
Speaker 1: fact that they hate each other. When are the elections
2:19:02
Speaker 1: October probably October twentieth, Jason says that the Left wants
2:19:09
Speaker 1: to import Muslims because the Left doesn't like straight white
2:19:13
Speaker 1: Christian men. God left thinks they can control Muslims when
2:19:19
Speaker 1: Muslims are less than fifty percent.
2:19:22
Speaker 3: Let me say one thing here, so I don't believe
2:19:26
Speaker 3: for a second the idea that the Left is aligned
2:19:28
Speaker 3: with the Slams for electoral reasons. First of all, this
2:19:32
Speaker 3: would by saying this, you would minimize the importance and
2:19:37
Speaker 3: the power of ideas. So we spent one and a
2:19:40
Speaker 3: half hour trying to explain to you how this alliance
2:19:42
Speaker 3: was formed and how it is an alliance that has
2:19:46
Speaker 3: to happen based on what are the intellectual tools that
2:19:49
Speaker 3: the Left has to explain the world. So this almost
2:19:54
Speaker 3: drive trivializes this phenomenon, and actually it doesn't even make
2:19:59
Speaker 3: sense because the people who are imported, they cannot vote,
2:20:03
Speaker 3: and usually they cannot vote for many, many many for many,
2:20:08
Speaker 3: many years.
2:20:08
Speaker 2: So saying that this is a plan for the left
2:20:11
Speaker 2: to win elections.
2:20:12
Speaker 3: It almost leaves the left of the hook because it
2:20:16
Speaker 3: doesn't recognize the damads, the damads that these ideas that
2:20:21
Speaker 3: we explained today have done to the to the.
2:20:24
Speaker 2: Way the people view the world, the people who listen
2:20:28
Speaker 2: to the left view the world. I wish it was
2:20:30
Speaker 2: that in a way.
2:20:31
Speaker 1: I wish it's just the plan. Yes, And in America
2:20:36
Speaker 1: there's just no evidence of this. There's you know, the big,
2:20:40
Speaker 1: the big Islamic migrations into America, as big as they
2:20:44
Speaker 1: have been, have nothing to do with the left. I mean,
2:20:46
Speaker 1: the the the Afghans coming to America. These are people
2:20:49
Speaker 1: who are promised because they helped Americans in Afghanistan and
2:20:52
Speaker 1: would be killed otherwise. You know, the Somalis wasn't The
2:20:56
Speaker 1: left in the United States has a crazy, stupid immigration
2:21:01
Speaker 1: system that doesn't focus on the right things. So you know,
2:21:05
Speaker 1: people come into this country for all kinds of bad
2:21:08
Speaker 1: reasons that has nothing to do with left or right.
2:21:10
Speaker 1: Nobody is, nobody in American politics is serious about fixing
2:21:16
Speaker 1: the immigration policy, actually putting together a proper immigration policy.
2:21:21
Speaker 1: And in terms of the illegal immigrants, almost none of
2:21:24
Speaker 1: them are Muslim almost all of them are Latin America
2:21:27
Speaker 1: and you know, some Chinese.
2:21:31
Speaker 3: And so that we don't get misquoted when we say
2:21:33
Speaker 3: I wish it was as simple as that. I mean,
2:21:36
Speaker 3: it's worse than that.
2:21:37
Speaker 2: It's not that it's.
2:21:40
Speaker 1: Anyway right, fem market Capital says, I think Messy is better,
2:21:44
Speaker 1: but find Ronaldo to have more of an ambitious career,
2:21:48
Speaker 1: always taking a new challenge, closer to an objectivist ideal.
2:21:54
Speaker 1: How would you compare their careers?
2:21:57
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, seriously, So here's what happened.
2:22:02
Speaker 3: First of all, the Messy is, to put it very simply,
2:22:06
Speaker 3: as good in scoring as Ronaldo and at the same
2:22:09
Speaker 3: time better at dribbling, not better than Ronaldo, better than
2:22:13
Speaker 3: anyone who's ever gave, better at being a creator and
2:22:17
Speaker 3: better at being a number ten.
2:22:19
Speaker 2: So there's no comparison.
2:22:21
Speaker 3: The one person who started this discussion was Ronaldo himself.
2:22:27
Speaker 2: This will be the equivalent, guys.
2:22:28
Speaker 3: Imagine and again I like Ronaldo, but imagine if I
2:22:32
Speaker 3: tomorrow I started discussion, I'm the best objectivist ever. And
2:22:37
Speaker 3: then it's like, oh, there's a discussion who is the
2:22:39
Speaker 3: best objective? No, there's no discussion. I started it. So yes,
2:22:42
Speaker 3: there are some people like our friend who are mistaken
2:22:46
Speaker 3: on this, but there is no serious There might be
2:22:49
Speaker 3: a discussion on let's say Messy versus spell because different
2:22:54
Speaker 3: theres but Messy versus Ronaldo?
2:22:55
Speaker 1: Come on, which are the aa What about this question?
2:22:58
Speaker 1: I don't know the curious, but what about this question
2:23:00
Speaker 1: about ambition during their careers?
2:23:02
Speaker 3: Yes, so what actually happened is Ronaldo was at some
2:23:06
Speaker 3: point he changed many teams and he said, oh, Messi
2:23:09
Speaker 3: has it the easy way because he stayed in the
2:23:11
Speaker 3: same team. How is staying in the same team easier
2:23:15
Speaker 3: than going to super teams? He left Manchester United and
2:23:18
Speaker 3: he went to Real Madrid.
2:23:20
Speaker 2: How is this okay?
2:23:21
Speaker 3: It is ambitious, but it makes your life easier. Whereas
2:23:25
Speaker 3: Messi stayed there he saw Pep Guardiola, the best manager lived,
2:23:30
Speaker 3: he saw the best players live and at some point
2:23:33
Speaker 3: he was carrying by himself Barcelona. How is this the
2:23:37
Speaker 3: easy way? And what Ronaldo did was the difficult way.
2:23:40
Speaker 3: This was a narrative that Ronaldo created. And again respect
2:23:45
Speaker 3: to Ronaldo, he's not in the same discussion with Messi.
2:23:49
Speaker 3: It's it's this is a hill I'm gonna die And
2:23:52
Speaker 3: this is not a football question. This is an epistemological question.
2:23:55
Speaker 3: I think people who say Ronaldo Messi are in the
2:23:58
Speaker 3: same discussion. It's look at reality, look at the evidence.
2:24:05
Speaker 1: It's three market, same person and Nichols. If you were
2:24:09
Speaker 1: NBA commissioner, what would you do to make the league better?
2:24:14
Speaker 1: How would you fix tinking? For example?
2:24:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know this.
2:24:20
Speaker 3: It's interesting the salary cups. Some people will say it
2:24:22
Speaker 3: is a socialist measure, but when it's voluntarily agreed, I
2:24:26
Speaker 3: understand that. So think, for example, in this decade we've
2:24:30
Speaker 3: had since twenty nineteen, different teams win the title. So
2:24:35
Speaker 3: NBA doesn't need fixing when it comes to the competition.
2:24:38
Speaker 3: The one thing that does need fixing is first of all,
2:24:41
Speaker 3: there are too many games in the regular season gas
2:24:44
Speaker 3: eighty two games. No one cares about the regular season.
2:24:47
Speaker 3: And also the games are way too long, way too long.
2:24:51
Speaker 3: A game cannot last two and a half hours, so
2:24:54
Speaker 3: why is the timeout three minutes? And particularly with the
2:24:58
Speaker 3: low attention span of gen Zis, I'm worried that this
2:25:04
Speaker 3: is a generation that does not watch games.
2:25:06
Speaker 2: It is highlights. It wakes up, it sees the highlights
2:25:09
Speaker 2: in the mobile phone.
2:25:10
Speaker 3: This is how they consume basketball and you cannot understand
2:25:13
Speaker 3: basketball based on so today more people care about the
2:25:17
Speaker 3: content rather than the game itself.
2:25:19
Speaker 2: So this is the area I would choose fewer games.
2:25:23
Speaker 3: And when it comes to the tanking, the rules of
2:25:27
Speaker 3: drafting new players is so complicated that I don't even
2:25:30
Speaker 3: know where to start.
2:25:31
Speaker 1: It's it's drafting and the training. I mean, the rules
2:25:34
Speaker 1: for training are so complicated. It's just yeah, I have
2:25:37
Speaker 1: no idea what they're doing.
2:25:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, but thank you.
2:25:41
Speaker 3: I always want to thank a bit extra the people
2:25:44
Speaker 3: who ask the sports question, because I always feel alone
2:25:48
Speaker 3: in the objective movement.
2:25:49
Speaker 2: No one follows sports. It's a lonely business.
2:25:55
Speaker 1: Not completely true, all right, but yes, relatively lonely. Christas,
2:26:02
Speaker 1: is there any sense of context in which being nationalistic
2:26:05
Speaker 1: and proud of your country is appropriate?
2:26:09
Speaker 3: Proud of your country, yes, if there are reasons to
2:26:12
Speaker 3: be proud of your country, nationalistic in terms of in
2:26:16
Speaker 3: a tribal way my country, no questions ask No, it's
2:26:20
Speaker 3: never it's never good. So usually people who tell me
2:26:24
Speaker 3: this and say, look, let's say this is what I
2:26:26
Speaker 3: tell to my great friends. If you were if you
2:26:28
Speaker 3: were born in Turkey, would you be a Turkish nationalist?
2:26:32
Speaker 3: And if the answer is yes, then I say, okay,
2:26:34
Speaker 3: then why what's your beef with Turkish nationalists? They have
2:26:36
Speaker 3: as in equal writers you have, so find I never
2:26:40
Speaker 3: understood this point. You should be proud of your country
2:26:43
Speaker 3: if your country gives you any reason to be proud.
2:26:46
Speaker 3: Sometimes the most patriotic decision might be to turn against
2:26:51
Speaker 3: the quote nationalist case for your country. So the patriotic
2:26:55
Speaker 3: person in Iran should want Iran to lose the war
2:26:59
Speaker 3: against Israel for example, to give you, to give you
2:27:01
Speaker 3: an example, that's the patriotic stands.
2:27:04
Speaker 1: So I agree with nationalistic never patriotic. Yeah, if the
2:27:09
Speaker 1: country deserves it. You know you don't even if you
2:27:11
Speaker 1: live anyone, you don't have to be patriotic. You don't
2:27:14
Speaker 1: have to be patriotic for any particular place. They have
2:27:16
Speaker 1: to deserve it. There is your Your loyalty has to
2:27:19
Speaker 1: be earned. My last question from Daniel has Nikos being
2:27:25
Speaker 1: converted to the National Hockey League yet.
2:27:30
Speaker 3: No, I've never watched hockey, so so here's my belief
2:27:34
Speaker 3: is you should only follow sports that you understand well.
2:27:38
Speaker 2: This is why at some point I stopped following UFC.
2:27:41
Speaker 3: If I can't follow something and understand it well I
2:27:44
Speaker 3: don't want to follow it at all. I don't because
2:27:47
Speaker 3: then you end up with, you know, with a superficial
2:27:50
Speaker 3: which I don't like.
2:27:51
Speaker 2: I want.
2:27:52
Speaker 3: I follow only football and basketball because I understand them well,
2:27:55
Speaker 3: So no idea about hockey. Also, I found stupid this
2:27:58
Speaker 3: thing where if two players decide to beat it out
2:28:01
Speaker 3: with each other, they are allowed to do it.
2:28:04
Speaker 2: I never understood this rule.
2:28:06
Speaker 1: Supposedly, if you go to actual hockey game live and
2:28:11
Speaker 1: you see the speed and the and the force in
2:28:13
Speaker 1: which they're playing, it's it captures you, right. You can't
2:28:18
Speaker 1: appreciate it on television, is the story? Yeah?
2:28:21
Speaker 3: Here, maybe if we were in the Cold War and
2:28:24
Speaker 3: there were all these takes against the Soviet human that
2:28:27
Speaker 3: there would be an interesting story there. But I'm afraid no,
2:28:30
Speaker 3: I've never watched never watched hockey. I've never skated on nice.
2:28:34
Speaker 1: Actually, so femalkeey Capital is coming back at you with
2:28:39
Speaker 1: what do you make of the claim that Messy is
2:28:41
Speaker 1: more talented but Ronaldo is more hard working achievement.
2:28:47
Speaker 3: Again, that's that's the only reason people believe this is
2:28:51
Speaker 3: because Ronaldo every day post five stories with him. You're
2:28:55
Speaker 3: working out, so you think that MESSI has been at
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Speaker 3: this top level from two thousand, let's say, six till
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six without working hard. You think Messi is
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Speaker 3: the best in free kicks. He's the best in all
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Speaker 3: these things. It doesn't come from hard work. Of course,
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Speaker 3: he works equally hard. It's just it hasn't created this
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Speaker 3: myth because Messi is the first hundred. Yes, he doesn't
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Speaker 3: care what stories they say about him. There's a very
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Speaker 3: nice video where someone tells him something like, hey, you
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Speaker 3: know what, this was your fiftieth hat trick of your
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Speaker 3: career and oh I didn't know that. Whereas Ronaldo whenever
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Speaker 3: he leaves from a team to get to a bigger challenge,
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Speaker 3: as he says, he posts on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: His analytics, his statistics. So I score text col Gide,
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Speaker 2: we know we can find it the Wikipedia.
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Speaker 3: Alpin is with this leadership does not mean being the
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Speaker 3: most loud person. My partner is a coach and we
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Speaker 3: were watching this video how the Argentinian team respects Messy
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Speaker 3: and how they wait for him. There's a video if
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Speaker 3: you if you put massy leadership Argentina, it's in a
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Speaker 3: very organic way. They just literally look up at him
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Speaker 3: and they know that when he's there, they are, they
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Speaker 3: feel better. Messi is an introvert. He's not like, oh,
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Speaker 3: let's go, let's go. It doesn't mean that the loudest
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Speaker 3: person is the better leader or the guy who is hustling.
2:30:30
Speaker 3: So they're different styles of leadership, different styles of greatness.
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Speaker 2: They're both great.
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Speaker 3: We're very lucky that we are that we've seen them,
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Speaker 3: we've experienced them, not in the same category.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I haven't followed foot past. I don't know the details,
2:30:48
Speaker 1: but I've seen any views of Messy and I've seen
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Speaker 1: interviews of Ronaldo and Messi is smart. Ronaldo isn't. And
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Speaker 1: he's not to kill it. He can't. He's not, he's not.
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Speaker 1: Messy's thoughtful, he's smart, you know, he's he's engaged. He's
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Speaker 1: just he's just got a he's got a genuine personality.
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Speaker 1: Ronaldo is the good looking one. I mean, Messy is short.
2:31:16
Speaker 1: He's not particularly good looking. You know, he's not particularly athletic.
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Speaker 1: Think about that too. I mean, Messi is short for
2:31:21
Speaker 1: a football player, for any athlete, he's short. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this was the big thing when he was a kid,
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Speaker 1: and and why it was a lot of people didn't
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Speaker 1: expect much of him. There's no way Messy reached the
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Speaker 1: level that he does. If you if you I saw
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Speaker 1: documentary about him, I mean when he went to us
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Speaker 1: alone as a kid. I mean the amount of work
2:31:40
Speaker 1: that he had to do to live up to their
2:31:42
Speaker 1: expectations and to make the adult team, and and to
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Speaker 1: stay at that level, it's just unbelievable. And again he
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Speaker 1: has I agree with you, he has this lead quiet
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Speaker 1: leadership quality that it's pretty amazing.
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Speaker 2: Cool.
2:32:00
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, Thanks all the supercherers, Thanks all the stickers,
2:32:04
Speaker 1: Thank you Nicos. Not sure what we're talking about next week,
2:32:08
Speaker 1: but there will be a show Sunday next week.
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Speaker 3: Two things first, Let's decide it quickly because I want
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Speaker 3: to start preparing and send me the collaboration link ordinating
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Speaker 3: so more people watch it.
2:32:20
Speaker 2: This was a very important episode.
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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you guys, See guys next week.
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Speaker 2: Bye everybody, Bye bye,