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Sharri | 29 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Danikhi di
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Speaker 3: Giorgio filling in this evening for Sharry Marks and coming
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Speaker 3: up on the show. Anthony Albinizi pledges to defend democracy
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Speaker 3: and fight back against the right during a keynote speech
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Speaker 3: at the UK Labor Conference. I'll tell you why I
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Speaker 3: think this messaging should worry all of us. Hamas claims
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Speaker 3: it has lost contact with two Israeli hostages. How does
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Speaker 3: that happen? I'll catch up with Alex Ripchin and OPTAs
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Speaker 3: stuffs up again. A second triple zero outage in the
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Speaker 3: space of a week.
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Speaker 2: Where is the CEO and why.
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Speaker 3: Is the Communications Minister missing in action? But first tonight,
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Speaker 3: Once upon a time, two of the world's great leaders
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Speaker 3: met at ten Downing Street. Sir Winston Churchill and Sir
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Speaker 3: Robert Menzies met to discuss World War II strategy in London.
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Speaker 2: Well, fast forward to twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3: It's now Albo and Kia at ten Downing Street. G
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Speaker 3: talk about a downgrade. Brothers in arms, two lefty mates
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Speaker 3: on an unhinged pathway to implement a woke brand of politics,
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Speaker 3: and I think the messaging in Anthony Albanesi's speeches which
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Speaker 3: he delivered in the UK over the weekend should worry
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Speaker 3: all of us, and I'll explain why in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But the PM is about to return home from a
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Speaker 3: week and a half overseas and has morphed into a
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Speaker 3: poster boy for progressives, serving his own interests, not those
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Speaker 3: of this country, on what was clearly a politically driven
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Speaker 3: trip to shore up Labour's interests.
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Speaker 2: I mean, all it took.
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Speaker 3: Was a four pack of Albow's pale Ale, which he
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Speaker 3: made sure all of the cameras took a photo of
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Speaker 3: ahead of his meeting with his UK counterpart, and then
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Speaker 3: he was welcome like a hero by Sir Kia at
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Speaker 3: a left wing gagglefest, then later at the Labor Party
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Speaker 3: conference in Liverpool on the Taxpayer Dollar.
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Speaker 2: By the way, where he was a keynote speaker.
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Speaker 4: It is an absolute privilege to introduce a friend of mine,
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Speaker 4: a real inspiration to those of us on the left.
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Speaker 4: Albo came armed with cans of Albo beer. I kid
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Speaker 4: you not, it's all it took.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know as well, you've been given the kiss
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Speaker 3: of death. When Keir Starmer calls you an inspiration to
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Speaker 3: the left, and of course Australian labor and UK labor
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Speaker 3: have a lot in common.
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Speaker 2: A mass migration.
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Speaker 3: Policy, a failure to secure the borders, a net zero
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Speaker 3: twenty fifty fantasy, a company by a renewables only approach.
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Speaker 3: Both have in the last week recognized Palestine. Both have
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Speaker 3: certainly failed to do enough to protect the Jewish community,
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Speaker 3: and through the the social fabrics of both countries are fracturing.
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Speaker 3: So it's little wonder Keir Starmer is now the UK's
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Speaker 3: least popular prime minister of all time and if an
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Speaker 3: election were held tomorrow, UK Reform leader Nigel Farage would
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Speaker 3: win with a staggering three hundred and seventy three seats,
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Speaker 3: handing Reform a Commons majority of ninety six that is
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Speaker 3: bigger than Boris Johnson's twenty nineteen landslide. Labour would actually
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Speaker 3: sink to ninety seats, the Tories absolutely dismal on forty one,
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Speaker 3: and it's clear the mood of the nation is changing.
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Speaker 3: And despite this, what has emerged from the weekend is
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Speaker 3: labor here a labor there have their blinkers on and
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Speaker 3: seem to be on this unity ticket of sorts to
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Speaker 3: demonize the right.
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Speaker 4: It's been a particular pleasure to welcome Albo to our
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Speaker 4: country the Global Progress Conference on Friday as a key
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Speaker 4: partner in starting up the divisive politics of the right.
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Speaker 3: The key word there, divisive politics now. Have a listen
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Speaker 3: to Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 5: We all sense this is an era where our capacity
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Speaker 5: for peaceful disagreement is being tested. Tearing things down is easy,
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Speaker 5: but it doesn't leave you with anything. The low politics
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Speaker 5: of fear and resentment are easy that they only divide
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Speaker 5: the country. They don't advance it.
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Speaker 2: Keyword there, divide the country now.
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Speaker 3: What he and Keir Starmer are referring to are policies
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Speaker 3: like those being driven by reform UK and for example
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Speaker 3: one nation here in Australia, and we are talking about
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Speaker 3: policy issues that you at home are rightly worried about.
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Speaker 3: And it all stems from the debate around my migration.
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Speaker 3: In fact, the Prime Minister has gone as far as
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Speaker 3: to warn about the rise of populist parties.
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Speaker 5: The politics of grievance, of course, are always easy, easier
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Speaker 5: to tear things down than it is to build them up.
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Speaker 5: The truth is that around the world people want, including
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Speaker 5: in Australia. People want borders to be controlled, they want
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Speaker 5: control over their migration system.
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Speaker 3: But the reality is Labor has not controlled the migration
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Speaker 3: system and we are all feeling the consequences.
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Speaker 2: It has brought in.
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Speaker 3: More than one point one million migrants into this country
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Speaker 3: as part of its Big Australia policy. Migration remains double
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Speaker 3: pre pandemic levels. In fact, net overseas migration for the
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Speaker 3: March quarter was just over one hundred and ten thousand.
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Speaker 3: That is one thousand, two hundred and twenty three arrivals
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Speaker 3: each and every day between the star of the year
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Speaker 3: and the end of March.
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Speaker 2: Where are we going to put all these people?
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Speaker 3: And this is not divisive, This is just stating pure facts.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: This follows Albo's attendance at a left wing global summit
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Speaker 3: on Friday, where he met with Democrat presidential candidates and
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Speaker 3: former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinder ra Dern to discuss
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Speaker 3: how progressives could push these policies across the Western world.
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Speaker 5: I think there are attempts by some on the far
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Speaker 5: right to own nationalism and so it's a matter of
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Speaker 5: not being nativist about it, but being proud.
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Speaker 3: Of well, what is wrong with nationalism, and this is
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Speaker 3: the language that I think should worry all of us.
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Speaker 3: Left wing governments have become all too trigger happy to
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Speaker 3: roll out the phrase far right when confronting issues that
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Speaker 3: in packed all of us. It is not far right
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Speaker 3: to be proud of your country. It's certainly not far
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Speaker 3: right to have a conversation about mass migration, particularly when
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Speaker 3: our housing and infrastructure is already under pressure. It's not
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Speaker 3: far right to have a conversation when everyday Ossies are
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Speaker 3: locked out of the housing market, the great Ossie dream
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Speaker 3: is out of reach for many and rents her up.
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Speaker 3: And it's not far right to have a conversation when
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Speaker 3: the face of Australia has changed, our social cohesion is fracturing,
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Speaker 3: and it gets palmed off as healthy and sustainable multiculturalism.
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Speaker 2: It's just not. In fact.
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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer went as far this weekend as to call
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Speaker 3: reforms policy to crack down on migration as racist.
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Speaker 1: I do think that there's a racist policy.
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Speaker 4: I do think it's emoral and needs to be called
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Speaker 4: out for what it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's gone down like a lead balloon.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at the front page of the UK's
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Speaker 3: Daily Mail today, Worried about immigration. Starmer says you're racist.
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Speaker 3: So the brothers in arms, Albo and Kia are tying
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Speaker 3: themselves in knots over an issue which is not at
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Speaker 3: all controversial. Rather it's mainstream something everyday Aussies are worried about.
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Speaker 2: Yet apparently the two of.
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Speaker 3: Them plan to work together to get this defend democracy.
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Speaker 5: But what I see here in UK Labor and that
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Speaker 5: this man, this leader, this Prime minister, my friend, is
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Speaker 5: the same determination that I know lives in every member
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Speaker 5: of the Australian Labor Party, an absolute resolve to stand
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Speaker 5: together and defend democracy itself.
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Speaker 2: His mission is to defend democracy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if it weren't so serious, you'd actually have
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Speaker 3: to laugh at the very prospect.
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Speaker 2: How can he.
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Speaker 3: Profess his mission is to defend democracy when he's gone
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Speaker 3: to the United Nations this week to recognize a Palestinian
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Speaker 3: state and gone against an actual democracy in Israel. And
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Speaker 3: his conditions, by the way, include assurances from the undemocratic
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Speaker 3: leader of the Palestinian authority run by marmulde Bus, a
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Speaker 3: man elected on a four year term in two thousand
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Speaker 3: and five. No election was held four years later, and
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Speaker 3: guess what, the man's still there twenty years later, is
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Speaker 3: that Albo's big version of democracy and action on the
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Speaker 3: world stage, Because I would say it's.
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Speaker 2: Actually the complete opposite. And now look, the question has to.
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Speaker 3: Be asked, why is the Prime Minister getting involved in
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Speaker 3: the domestic politics of another country while on a taxpayer
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Speaker 3: funded trip.
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Speaker 2: And as I said, this was a.
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Speaker 3: Purely politically driven trip to shore up Labour's interests and
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Speaker 3: to boost team Albow on the world stage. Labor was
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Speaker 3: desperately ducking and weaving.
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Speaker 6: Today, it's entirely appropriate for the Prime Minister to take
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Speaker 6: the opportunity to meet with the Prime Minister of the UK,
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Speaker 6: the King, the leader of the opposition in the UK,
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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister of Canada, the Prime Minister of Spain.
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Speaker 6: That strikes me as a very good use of the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister's time, and.
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Speaker 3: The Opposition leader Susan Lee is rightly asking questions.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister crossed a line by attending a UK
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Speaker 7: Labor Party conference. In fact, he didn't just cross a line.
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Speaker 7: He flew to the other side of the world to
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Speaker 7: give a partisan political speech on behalf of a political
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Speaker 7: party in another country. That is totally unacceptable. Australians would
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Speaker 7: be disappointed in their prime minister for doing just this.
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Speaker 3: Well, it sets up a showdown now ahead of Anthony
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Speaker 3: Arbane's long awaited meeting with Donald Trump next month. Albo
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Speaker 3: has made his foreign policy platform clearer than ever on
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Speaker 3: the world stage in the last week and a half.
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Speaker 3: And we could not be more at odds with the
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Speaker 3: United States on all issues, from migration to net zero,
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Speaker 3: to Israel and Palestine to Wope. Policy is driven by
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Speaker 3: left wing ideology. The message is very clear. Albo is
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Speaker 3: a progressive poster boy. He's not out there saving democracy.
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Speaker 2: He's out there doing whatever.
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Speaker 3: The heck he wants because he can, no matter how
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Speaker 3: weak he is. And right now Australia is following the
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Speaker 3: lead of the United Kingdom under labor. He and Kia
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Speaker 3: are two peas in a pod and that is dangerous.
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Speaker 3: For more on that, I'm now joined by Sky News
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Speaker 3: contributor Joe Hildebrand and former Speaker of the House Browin Bishop.
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Speaker 2: Height of both of you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on the show. Look,
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Speaker 3: let's start with this speech. What did you make of it?
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Speaker 3: So the Prime Minister's out there professing that he's going
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Speaker 3: to defend democracy and he's gone after right wing divisive politics.
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Speaker 2: Is that appropriate?
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Speaker 1: I thought it was actually very refreshing.
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Speaker 8: He could have been much further to the left if
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Speaker 8: he was cut from the same cloth that his critics
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Speaker 8: think he is. But in fact he implored people when
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Speaker 8: he could have just played to the gallery. He said,
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Speaker 8: we have to work within the system. We don't want
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Speaker 8: to change the system. So it was a message to
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Speaker 8: radicals there.
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Speaker 1: When he was.
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Speaker 8: Talking about loving your country, he was actually talking about
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Speaker 8: the opposite.
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Speaker 1: I think of how you interpret it.
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Speaker 8: He was talking about a new thing called he's got
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Speaker 8: called progressive patriotism, which is saying this idea that to
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Speaker 8: be a progressive or to be on the left, you
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Speaker 8: have to hate Australia or be and Australia is bollocks.
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Speaker 8: We should be able to love our country and be
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Speaker 8: proud of our country without.
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Speaker 1: So what's wrong with nationalism Nothing, That's what he was saying.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what the point.
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Speaker 2: Of what he was saying was. He's talking about.
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Speaker 3: He's putting far right nationalism into one box.
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Speaker 1: That is a problem.
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Speaker 8: What he's saying is that the far right should not
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Speaker 8: have a monopoly on nationalists. Understanding that we shouldn't have
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Speaker 8: nativism that.
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Speaker 1: We should all have to understand.
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Speaker 9: It is a socialist and socialist lie. And that's exactly
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Speaker 9: what he did in that speech. It was an appalling
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Speaker 9: speech and Susanly was quite right to say he shouldn't
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Speaker 9: have been there.
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Speaker 8: Susan Lee, who wrote a letter to the Republicans of
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Speaker 8: the US Underminingtralian government.
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Speaker 2: She did not.
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Speaker 9: She was the prime minister attending a Labor Party.
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Speaker 1: Contry that was even worse opposition.
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Speaker 2: Intend all you like.
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Speaker 9: The bottom lining is foreign Albo involvement in Albo. As
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Speaker 9: prime minister of this country has gone and interfered in
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Speaker 9: the politics of a foreign country. And this whole thing,
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Speaker 9: the whole thing, is to be seen in the proper context.
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Speaker 9: He has gone over there, carried on about Gaza, carried
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Speaker 9: on about the Socialist International and l it could have
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Speaker 9: been me while back here in our own backyards, in
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Speaker 9: our own backyard, we've got the Chinese who are now
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Speaker 9: fingerprinting the people of the Solomon Islands, who are in
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Speaker 9: there teaching on the principles of the Cultural Revolution. To
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Speaker 9: dub in your family, your friends, to have control. You've had,
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Speaker 9: You've got the failure, You've got the failure right, you've
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Speaker 9: got that failure to sign an agreement with Vanuatu, the
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Speaker 9: failure to sign with P and G, a total absolute
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Speaker 9: failure to foreign policy, a total failure. Here is the
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Speaker 9: prime minister he said, I'm going to do this. I'm
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Speaker 9: going to do that.
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Speaker 1: Many childs government.
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Speaker 10: The point is moving is it not true? You want
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Speaker 10: to talk about that.
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Speaker 1: Is you know that is not true? That is it
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Speaker 1: is true? Over to the Solowmons was to try and
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Speaker 1: get the Chinese out of there.
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Speaker 10: Point of on the record on camera, the point camera
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Speaker 10: on the record in I'm.
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Speaker 2: Going to interrupt.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, I just want to interrupt you here because the
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Speaker 3: point is to go to Bromin's point here she's listed
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Speaker 3: those examples. Right, You've got Anthony Alberanezi on the world
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Speaker 3: stage saying he's a defender of democracy. How can this
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Speaker 3: man be a defender of democracy when you've got all
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Speaker 3: these examples listed by Bromwin Bishop, he's then gone to
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Speaker 3: the United Nations Israel is.
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Speaker 2: A democratic nation. He's gone against Israel.
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Speaker 3: He's gone, he's gone for the Palestinian Authority edition of
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Speaker 3: recognizing Palestine that they have elections.
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Speaker 1: That is one of the So that's not true. Either
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Speaker 1: that's not part of the government.
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Speaker 2: It's impossible.
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Speaker 1: That's right, that's why it will never happen. But it
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Speaker 1: is a condition.
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Speaker 9: Brodwin, Oh, Joe, honestly, you've got more brains.
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Speaker 8: But he is all right, Okay, So you realize that
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Speaker 8: part of the condition for recognizing Palestine is that they
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Speaker 8: have elections.
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Speaker 1: Is that true or not? Is that true or not?
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Speaker 3: We're just making things very quick answer from you Browin.
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Speaker 3: Then we're going to move on from the topic.
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Speaker 9: There's a fantasty that it is possible, and it isn't.
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Speaker 8: No, no, it's not possible. But if it gets realized,
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Speaker 8: then that is part of the condition. That's what condition is.
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Speaker 2: We could talk about this for quite a while and
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Speaker 2: we're both.
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Speaker 1: We're very fi We're both look, we're both very.
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Speaker 2: Fired up about this.
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Speaker 3: I think that the Prime Minister is going to come
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Speaker 3: back to Australia and I think overall he's got a
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Speaker 3: lot of questions to answer about why he was over
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Speaker 3: there on a taxpayer funded trip, and I think that
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Speaker 3: that is the point putting in weighing in on domestic policy.
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Speaker 3: I think that that is also an overall issue from
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Speaker 3: all of this.
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Speaker 2: But look, let's let's move otherwise. Think we could be
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Speaker 2: a grab right now.
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Speaker 3: Look, I want to talk about this rolling disaster that
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Speaker 3: is Optus One triple zero outage is bad, too, diabolical.
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Speaker 3: The telco has issued another apology after triple zero calls
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Speaker 3: were left unanswered for nine hours near Woollongong in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Nine calls were missed.
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Speaker 3: Of course, it comes a week after another outage was
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Speaker 3: linked to the deaths of four people. Liberal Senator Jane
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Speaker 3: Hume has called on the government to conduct an independent investigation.
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Speaker 11: This is a piece of critical infrastructure for Australia and
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Speaker 11: we can't simply allow outages, whether it be caused by
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Speaker 11: Optus or potentially another telecommunications organization, to put austraight in
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Speaker 11: lives at risk. If the government we're taking this seriously,
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Speaker 11: they would have called an intervestor in independent investigation by now.
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Speaker 2: Joe, I've got a few issues at this.
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Speaker 3: Firstly, Optus didn't even front the media today. Last time
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Speaker 3: it happened, they did a Friday afternoon drop. We know
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Speaker 3: that that news gets buried on a Friday afternoon. The
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Speaker 3: Communications Minister was missing in action today. Where are the
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Speaker 3: lessons in crisis communication.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I find it absolutely staggering that Optus is not
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Speaker 8: even doing the most basic stuff that quite frankly, a
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Speaker 8: teenager would think to do. After you've rebooted your phone,
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Speaker 8: find out if it actually works, find out if it
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Speaker 8: can make calls to triple Lot zero, which are the
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Speaker 8: most important call you can possibly make. Like that is
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Speaker 8: the fundamental core purpose of a telco. Everything else is
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Speaker 8: kind of window dressing, its frills and whistles. So I
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Speaker 8: do think it is appalling. I think, ironically, the thing
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Speaker 8: that happened in DAPTO is the sort of thing that
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Speaker 8: happens all the time and that people would actually cop
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Speaker 8: except for the fact that it came after just a
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Speaker 8: few days after something that absolutely should never have ever happened,
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Speaker 8: and which apparently all telcos routinely do after every similar
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Speaker 8: software outgrade they try. The first thing they do is
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Speaker 8: can you call triple O? And apparently this is just
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Speaker 8: not something in Optus's playbook, and it would seem that
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Speaker 8: that's because of outsourcing to cheaper overseas call centers. So
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Speaker 8: I think that's something that's got to be looked at.
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Speaker 3: I agree, and you're right, because it always happens in
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Speaker 3: the regions. I mean, you know, the farmers out there,
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Speaker 3: anyone in a regional community would know that these outages
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Speaker 3: are regular. But Bromwin, of course, the fact that now
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Speaker 3: there's been two serious ones where triple zero calls have
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Speaker 3: gone unanswered is an absolute disaster. But what do you
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Speaker 3: make of Optus today, missed completely missing in action on
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Speaker 3: the issue.
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Speaker 9: Well, what it prompted to me was was to say, Okay,
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Speaker 9: Optus is a foreign own company company, and I wonder
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Speaker 9: about the level of investment that has been talked about.
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Speaker 9: But I don't want to disparage the significance of the
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Speaker 9: way they've beenhaved. But I do want to draw attention
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Speaker 9: to something else that alarms me. If our domestic arrangements
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Speaker 9: can be so easily derailed, what about all those solar panels,
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Speaker 9: what about all those wind turbines, what about all those
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Speaker 9: evs coming out of China. There have been two very
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Speaker 9: serious articles in the last few days saying that it
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Speaker 9: is a risk that the power of the Chinese Communist
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Speaker 9: Party to blow up a car to disconnect our entire
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Speaker 9: electric system of electricity could be done. What has been
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Speaker 9: done to look at those issues? And I think, what's
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Speaker 9: happened with regard to OPTUS makes us think that we
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Speaker 9: have to look at all these other issues which are possible.
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Speaker 9: After all, we do remember that the Chinese were able
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Speaker 9: to put material into the ASIO building.
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Speaker 2: Well look, I mean, I.
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Speaker 3: Guess it does raise broader issues, but you know, I
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Speaker 3: think for OPTUS to not come out today, I think
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Speaker 3: that's an absolute disgrace.
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Speaker 2: Whereas the CEO should.
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Speaker 3: Have been a media conference this afternoon explaining exactly what
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Speaker 3: has happened, because everybody deserves to know.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Brobin mentioned renewables just then, and I want to talk
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Speaker 3: about a veteran firefighting pilot who's warned that massive wind
20:20
Speaker 3: turbine projects near Yas in regional New South Wales could
20:23
Speaker 3: make aerial fire fighting nearly impossible. The Daily Telegraph reports
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Speaker 3: that turbines up to three hundred meters tall in high
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Speaker 3: risk bush fire zones would leave ground cruisers sitting ducts now.
20:33
Speaker 3: Yas Valley has more than seven hundred turbines, either proposed,
20:36
Speaker 3: under construction or completed.
20:38
Speaker 2: Joe, you know, when.
20:39
Speaker 3: Fire experts are saying no one will fly near them,
20:42
Speaker 3: I'm aside from the fact these things are tearing regional
20:44
Speaker 3: communities apart but come on, now, if you've got possible
20:48
Speaker 3: risks where people's lives are at risk, how can they
20:51
Speaker 3: seriously go ahead?
20:52
Speaker 12: Yeah?
20:52
Speaker 8: I think well, the broader question of whether or not
20:54
Speaker 8: how serious these threats are or whether there are workarounds.
20:57
Speaker 8: I think the broader issue is that you cannot see
21:00
Speaker 8: employee impose these massive projects on communities without at least
21:05
Speaker 8: a degree of community support. And I think part of
21:07
Speaker 8: the problem is even if you have the legal right
21:09
Speaker 8: to do it and you had a big landholder, I
21:11
Speaker 8: think yes. I think part of the concern is that
21:13
Speaker 8: it's someone who doesn't live in the area but owns
21:15
Speaker 8: a lot of land.
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Speaker 1: That's where these wind turbines are on.
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Speaker 8: If you are not building community support and you are
21:21
Speaker 8: not getting involved.
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Speaker 1: And I've spoken to companies that do.
21:24
Speaker 8: The opposite of that and do actually get involved, and
21:25
Speaker 8: they say, yeah, you know what, we do have some
21:27
Speaker 8: wind turbines, but they're supporting our local footy team. They
21:30
Speaker 8: give back into the community. If this is seen as
21:32
Speaker 8: something that's top down, communities won't copy it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean that's good to hear. We're almost
21:36
Speaker 3: have time Bromwin. But you know, they are tearing communities apart.
21:40
Speaker 3: We've heard great reporting by James Willison the Daily Telegraph
21:43
Speaker 3: on this matter.
21:44
Speaker 2: But now firefighters are raising the alarm. I mean, how
21:46
Speaker 2: come like it.
21:48
Speaker 9: Was so obvious that it was going to be the
21:50
Speaker 9: case because those planes were very low when they're both
21:54
Speaker 9: bombing with water, when they're using the fire inhibitors that
21:59
Speaker 9: they use, and that's part and parcel of looking after
22:02
Speaker 9: the people who are on the ground. So it's a
22:05
Speaker 9: very real question. And of course in every one of
22:07
Speaker 9: those turbines there's something like three hundred and twenty leaders
22:14
Speaker 9: of oil that's in them as well that has to
22:17
Speaker 9: be replaced.
22:18
Speaker 3: You hear that about the environmental We never hear about
22:21
Speaker 3: the environment.
22:21
Speaker 9: But it is a very real question. And ask yourself
22:24
Speaker 9: the question if government is doing this deliberately and if
22:28
Speaker 9: firms are doing it deliberately knowing that people's lives at risk.
22:33
Speaker 9: You know we have industrial manslaughter, don't we.
22:35
Speaker 3: It's a worry. It's certainly a worry. Well, we had
22:37
Speaker 3: a fun panel, were fiery part.
22:40
Speaker 2: We do enjoy it. Jo Hilda Bradboro Bishop, great to
22:42
Speaker 2: see you both.
22:43
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me on the show. Well, look,
22:45
Speaker 3: I want to return now to the Prime minister's trip
22:47
Speaker 3: to the UK, where as we've discussed, he used the
22:50
Speaker 3: stage to praise progressive politics and the unity of Labor,
22:53
Speaker 3: declaring left wing solidarity was the.
22:55
Speaker 2: Hope of the world.
22:56
Speaker 3: Joining me live from New York is Liberal National Party
22:59
Speaker 3: and p Garth Hamilton Garth good to catch up. Should
23:01
Speaker 3: Australian taxpayers really foot the bill for Albo to galivant
23:05
Speaker 3: around and campaign for foreign left wing parties.
23:10
Speaker 13: Look away.
23:11
Speaker 14: It's a good thing for prime ministers to get out
23:13
Speaker 14: and represent the country around the world.
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Speaker 13: That's part of his job and I think that's important.
23:17
Speaker 14: I think it's probably been hypocritical for us to criticize
23:19
Speaker 14: him traveling.
23:21
Speaker 13: That is an important part of the job.
23:23
Speaker 14: I also think it's good to let prime ministers do
23:26
Speaker 14: what they want to do, so you get a good
23:28
Speaker 14: visionism and we get to understand where the priorities are. Clearly,
23:31
Speaker 14: mister Alberinese's priorities are on the Labor Party and on
23:34
Speaker 14: secure and progressive politics.
23:37
Speaker 13: That's laid out clear for the Australian people.
23:38
Speaker 14: Now we've got a good look at him and we
23:40
Speaker 14: know what his focus will be for this next term.
23:43
Speaker 3: Well, I just thought one of the most bizarre lines
23:46
Speaker 3: from his speech to that conference was that he wants
23:48
Speaker 3: to defend democracy. Now, you were at the United Nations
23:51
Speaker 3: this week where of course the Prime Minister recognized Palestine
23:56
Speaker 3: and he's gone against the actual democracy in Israel. So
23:58
Speaker 3: how does he think that this argue about democracy stacks up.
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Speaker 13: Well, this is the great part is that he's shown
24:05
Speaker 13: he's shown his colors, and that's going to be the
24:07
Speaker 13: tack line from Labor going into this next term of government.
24:11
Speaker 14: Somehow those on the right are anti democracy and Labor
24:14
Speaker 14: are left are protecting democracy. I think this is fascinating,
24:17
Speaker 14: as you pointed out, judging not by his words but
24:20
Speaker 14: by his record, he ignored democratic allies in the Middle East,
24:25
Speaker 14: preferring Palcinian state over Israel.
24:29
Speaker 13: Let's go back further.
24:30
Speaker 15: This is a guy who put forward in Thiscommunication Bill,
24:33
Speaker 15: that this information Bill, sorry twice where he would have
24:36
Speaker 15: had the power to shut down democratic opponents in their debate.
24:41
Speaker 14: This is a guy who put forward the voice who
24:43
Speaker 14: want to divide a democracy on the basis of race.
24:46
Speaker 14: And this is a guy who at every stage appears
24:48
Speaker 14: to be moving Australia away from the United States and
24:52
Speaker 14: towards China. So, judging by his record, I think mister
24:56
Speaker 14: Albanezi is laying out clearly where his intention is.
25:00
Speaker 13: Want more democracy.
25:01
Speaker 14: He wants to secure a democratic power that he has
25:04
Speaker 14: and he'll do it any.
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Speaker 3: Way he can, absolutely, And the problem is he can
25:08
Speaker 3: get away with it because you know he's.
25:10
Speaker 2: Got the numbers to do so. Garth.
25:12
Speaker 3: In the last few hours, the Prime Minister has arrived
25:15
Speaker 3: in the UAE. He and his fiance Jody have visited
25:17
Speaker 3: the Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi. I've got to ask you, Garth.
25:21
Speaker 3: I mean, the UAE is a key player in the
25:23
Speaker 3: Israel Garza peace plan being worked through by the US.
25:26
Speaker 3: I just wonder why he's going there specifically when he
25:29
Speaker 3: hasn't even bothered to go to Israel yet.
25:33
Speaker 13: Look, it's a very good question. I would love to thank.
25:36
Speaker 14: The mister ALBINIZI was going there to readjust Australia's position
25:40
Speaker 14: and rework those ties with Alli Israel.
25:44
Speaker 13: Sadly, I don't think that's going to be the outcome here.
25:47
Speaker 14: You know, he's really I think he's really made a
25:50
Speaker 14: mistake on this one that it's going to take a
25:52
Speaker 14: long time for Australia to readjust our position and can
25:55
Speaker 14: I say over here in New York at the UN
25:57
Speaker 14: where I'm at right now, it's real. He's had to
26:00
Speaker 14: see where Australia is lined up and who we're lined
26:02
Speaker 14: up with. We've walked away from our traditional allies, have
26:05
Speaker 14: walked away from the Western democracies, and we're leaning towards
26:08
Speaker 14: that Chinese Russian blook over here now, I've been in
26:13
Speaker 14: meetings where repeatedly you and officials have praised President Z
26:18
Speaker 14: and talked down the American administration over and over and
26:22
Speaker 14: over again, and it's fascinating to watch this. This is
26:25
Speaker 14: where this sort of globalized effort is moving towards in
26:30
Speaker 14: Australia is right there at the front.
26:31
Speaker 1: Of it right now.
26:32
Speaker 3: And I mean, I just feel like that just goes
26:34
Speaker 3: to show what a joke of a body of the
26:35
Speaker 3: United Nations is. If that's a sentiment that they're peddling
26:38
Speaker 3: out there, then it's just a complete fast Now. We've
26:42
Speaker 3: spoken about this before, but the Opposition leader Susan Lee
26:45
Speaker 3: has once again today shrugged off speculation that Liberal MP
26:48
Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty is buying for her job.
26:50
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
26:52
Speaker 7: I'm very confident that all of my colleagues are expressing
26:54
Speaker 7: strongly held views, and they do that in many ways.
26:58
Speaker 13: I mean, you worry that Andrew Hasty is coming back job.
27:01
Speaker 7: I've answered that question and no.
27:02
Speaker 2: I'm not Garth.
27:04
Speaker 3: The questions are not going away. Andrew Hasty dominated the
27:07
Speaker 3: headlines last week. He's opposed at zero promoted Australian manufacturing.
27:11
Speaker 3: He's been very vocal warning about mass migration.
27:15
Speaker 2: I mean, how long can this go on for?
27:17
Speaker 3: Realistically, this is going to follow Susan Lee around for
27:21
Speaker 3: a long time.
27:24
Speaker 14: Look, it probably is, and that's part of politics, isn't it.
27:29
Speaker 14: What Andrew has done is speak to a vision for
27:31
Speaker 14: Australia that he holds and it's resonated with a lot
27:33
Speaker 14: of people, and a lot of people I think are
27:35
Speaker 14: very grateful they're finally here someone talking about these things
27:39
Speaker 14: from a very sensible and centered position. So look, I
27:42
Speaker 14: think that's a challenge for everyone on my side of politics.
27:45
Speaker 14: Let's be honest with mister Albinez. He's having another really
27:50
Speaker 14: good second honeymoon. The party's not looking in.
27:53
Speaker 13: A great way.
27:53
Speaker 14: Polling isn't fantastic. This is absolutely the time where we
27:57
Speaker 14: need to be laying out what visions for the future
27:59
Speaker 14: might be and anyone who does so is obviously going
28:02
Speaker 14: to draw some attention.
28:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:03
Speaker 3: Look absolutely, and it doesn't help that, you know, the
28:05
Speaker 3: party is taking twelve months to come up with an
28:07
Speaker 3: energy policy and whilst that reviews keep going, all the
28:11
Speaker 3: speculation keeps mounting. Before I let you go, I want
28:14
Speaker 3: to talk to you about the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.
28:16
Speaker 3: He's done this private meet and greet at Sydney Airport
28:18
Speaker 3: where he's personally welcomed Palestinian refugees from Gaza. This was
28:22
Speaker 3: revealed by my colleague Chris Kenny on Friday. He's now
28:25
Speaker 3: hit out of the Liberal parties, saying, in recent months
28:28
Speaker 3: we have seen the Liberals go after people of Chinese
28:31
Speaker 3: heritage and Indian heritage. It's sadly unsurprising that these families
28:35
Speaker 3: are added to their list.
28:36
Speaker 2: Garth, what do you make of that response?
28:40
Speaker 14: Well, clearly this is Tony Burke politicizing immigration and we
28:44
Speaker 14: need to call this out. That the issue we've been
28:46
Speaker 14: very very clear is on the number of people coming
28:48
Speaker 14: in and that's a very legitimate issue when you consider
28:51
Speaker 14: just how much net overseas migration has increased in recent years,
28:55
Speaker 14: and mister Burke is trying to politicize immigration and then
28:58
Speaker 14: at the same time trying to demonize and saying.
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Speaker 13: That's what we're doing. We need to be really firm
29:02
Speaker 13: on this.
29:03
Speaker 14: It's unacceptable for someone in his role to be trying
29:06
Speaker 14: to create this issue that he is, and I think
29:09
Speaker 14: when you see him at the airport like that specifically
29:12
Speaker 14: trying to go people into this conversation, we know exactly
29:16
Speaker 14: what's going to happen in the future. There's got to
29:17
Speaker 14: be no change to our immigration policy. Things will stay
29:20
Speaker 14: the way they are and if immigration devils can be
29:22
Speaker 14: kept at the level they are, he will do so.
29:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I said earlier, it's a big Australia policy
29:27
Speaker 3: and nobody ever voted for a big Australia Garth Hamilton,
29:29
Speaker 3: good to catch up as always, Thank you so much
29:31
Speaker 3: for joining me on the show.
29:33
Speaker 2: Still to come. Hamas claims it has.
29:34
Speaker 3: Lost contact with two Israeli hostages in Gaza. Alex Ripchen
29:38
Speaker 3: will join me plus Treasurer Jim Chalmers is today spooking
29:41
Speaker 3: a ten billion dollar deficit. But is it all as
29:44
Speaker 3: it seems? The IPA Saxon Davidson will cut through the
29:47
Speaker 3: spin next.
29:52
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
29:53
Speaker 3: Well, Hamas has admitted it has lost contact with two
29:57
Speaker 3: Israeli hostages during IDF operations in Gaza. The terror group
30:01
Speaker 3: is demanding a.
30:01
Speaker 2: Halt to air strikes so it can search for them.
30:04
Speaker 3: For more on this, I'm now joined by Executive Council
30:06
Speaker 3: of Australian Jury CO CEO Alex Ripton, Alex nice to
30:10
Speaker 3: catch up.
30:11
Speaker 12: Look, thank you.
30:11
Speaker 2: What do you make of this?
30:12
Speaker 3: Is it outrageous that harmas a terrorist organization, kidnaps innocent
30:17
Speaker 3: Israelis and turns around and says, oh, we've actually lost them.
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Speaker 12: You know, it's extraordinary, Danika. Whenever they want to execute
30:24
Speaker 12: hostages in cold blood, as they did with the Biblus family,
30:27
Speaker 12: they can locate them without issue.
30:29
Speaker 1: Whenever they want to.
30:30
Speaker 12: Parade hostages for the cameras of the international media to
30:33
Speaker 12: degrade and humiliate them further, they find them without issues.
30:36
Speaker 12: But whenever a ceasefire deal is projected to be close,
30:40
Speaker 12: they start pulling these antics. And the devastating thing which
30:43
Speaker 12: I think we have to admit is that for all
30:46
Speaker 12: their subterfusion dishonesty, I think their tactics are working about
30:50
Speaker 12: succeeding and convincing large parts of the world that they
30:53
Speaker 12: are the good guys and Israel as the villain. Every
30:56
Speaker 12: time there's hope of a ceasefire and a hostage release,
31:00
Speaker 12: it collapses because of Hamas's refusal to accept and to sign,
31:04
Speaker 12: and then the world blames Israel. Predictably, their whole strategy
31:08
Speaker 12: of mass terror has been successful as well. They have
31:12
Speaker 12: elevated the Palestidian caused to international prominence throughout the world.
31:16
Speaker 12: They have a chief policy change in transformation, including compelling
31:20
Speaker 12: Australia to recognize pastid in statehood. So this is the
31:23
Speaker 12: harsh truth that I think we need to grapple with.
31:26
Speaker 12: Hamas has demonstrated tragically that terrorism works because we allow.
31:31
Speaker 3: It to work, absolutely, and they're being you know, basically
31:36
Speaker 3: commended on the world stage, as you said at the
31:38
Speaker 3: UN last week.
31:39
Speaker 2: So no wonder the.
31:40
Speaker 3: Other issue here is, I think, Alex are you worried
31:43
Speaker 3: that they are using this as an excuse because they're saying,
31:46
Speaker 3: we now call on Israel to halt the air strikes
31:48
Speaker 3: for us to now go and find these hostages.
31:51
Speaker 2: Hamas can't be.
31:53
Speaker 3: Trusted, so realistically, you don't even know what the truth
31:56
Speaker 3: is here.
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Speaker 12: That's right, and this is the nature of dealing with
32:01
Speaker 12: an enemy of this level of evil, and we've seen
32:04
Speaker 12: what they will do, what they did to the people
32:06
Speaker 12: of Israel, what they're prepared to do to their own people.
32:08
Speaker 12: And so the tragedy is is that they're treated as
32:12
Speaker 12: being a good faith actor and when they make certain
32:14
Speaker 12: public statements, when they talk about being willing to accept
32:17
Speaker 12: the ceasefire and hostage release, they've taken it their word.
32:20
Speaker 12: But we've seen of the previous months and almost years
32:23
Speaker 12: now through these negotiations, at times they will reject the
32:27
Speaker 12: internationally broken ceasefiers put to them. They will then accept
32:31
Speaker 12: a whole different deal which no one has even put
32:34
Speaker 12: to them, their own deal. They will reject the international one,
32:37
Speaker 12: and then again it looks as though Israel has stalled
32:39
Speaker 12: on the negotiation. So this is the thing. We constantly
32:43
Speaker 12: live in this state of elevated hope, and we think
32:46
Speaker 12: that the ceasefire is going to come and hostage is
32:48
Speaker 12: going to be released, and the war's going to draw
32:49
Speaker 12: to a close. But Harmas is in control. And the
32:53
Speaker 12: crazy thing is is that even though they're militarily so
32:55
Speaker 12: much weaker than Israel, they hold the cards. They literally
32:59
Speaker 12: hold Israel hostage and they're holding the international community durransom
33:03
Speaker 12: and we're allowing them to do so.
33:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:05
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look, let's talk about the scenes of the United Nations.
33:09
Speaker 3: The Israeli PM Benjamin Etniaho was up on stage blasting
33:14
Speaker 3: the recognition of Palestinian statehood as insane, and at the
33:17
Speaker 3: same time, over one hundred diplomats walked out during his speech.
33:21
Speaker 2: Have a listen to this.
33:27
Speaker 16: Please in home, Please in the home, Please into hol Alex.
33:47
Speaker 3: You know we've just spoken about rewarding terror. Well, in
33:50
Speaker 3: my view, that was just a sheer example of it.
33:52
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to the delegates walking out, and more broadly,
33:56
Speaker 3: what does it say about the United Nations as a body.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's a perfect representation of what the United Nations is.
34:03
Speaker 12: It's not about international security or international order. When it
34:07
Speaker 12: comes to resolving conflict, the UN is an utter failure.
34:11
Speaker 12: It's failed to prevent historic genocides in places like Schrebrinitza
34:15
Speaker 12: and Rwanda. It falsely accuses democratic states of genocide in
34:19
Speaker 12: our time. They've abandoned the Ukrainian people as well, and
34:24
Speaker 12: they failed to effectively resolve an intervened in that conflict.
34:27
Speaker 12: But here their theatrical purposes. They present a perfect stage
34:32
Speaker 12: for leaders to stand up, to speak to their domestic
34:35
Speaker 12: constituencies and to do the one thing that the UN
34:38
Speaker 12: does very well, which is to bash Israel. And that's
34:40
Speaker 12: what we saw there. But if anything good comes from this,
34:43
Speaker 12: hopefully it fast tracks the demise of the UN in
34:46
Speaker 12: showing people the vacuous in a nature of this institution.
34:52
Speaker 12: But tragically, again, I think we need to be mindful
34:54
Speaker 12: of the fact that we may hold it in disdain,
34:57
Speaker 12: but the UN still holds great international prestige and moral power.
35:01
Speaker 12: And the things that are said by the UN then
35:04
Speaker 12: cascad down to human rights organizations like Oxfam and Armiesty International.
35:09
Speaker 12: They make their way to classrooms and university campuses and
35:11
Speaker 12: political parties, and they set the discourse. So the things
35:15
Speaker 12: that the UN are saying right now, that again that
35:17
Speaker 12: Israel is the guilty party, that Israel's committee a genocide,
35:20
Speaker 12: utter lies of a scandalous nature, these will become the norm.
35:24
Speaker 12: These will become publicly accepted sentiments. And that's a great
35:28
Speaker 12: failing of the UN, but also failing on our part
35:31
Speaker 12: in the sense that we keep funding this organization and
35:34
Speaker 12: sustaining it and I think that needs to stop.
35:36
Speaker 3: Well, I guess it's a catch twenty two situation right now.
35:40
Speaker 3: But that gee, the scenes that walk out for a
35:42
Speaker 3: second year in a row, it must be said, I
35:45
Speaker 3: think was extremely disrespectful and all leaders should be shown
35:50
Speaker 3: more respect than that. Alex Rifton, it's nice to see you.
35:53
Speaker 3: Thanks very much for joining me on the show. Thanks
35:55
Speaker 3: to me, we're coming up on the program tomorrow's crucial
35:58
Speaker 3: RBA meeting. What should mortgage holders expect? The IPA's Saxon
36:02
Speaker 3: Davidson will explain next plus still ahead, horror in America
36:06
Speaker 3: as an Iraq war veteran drives into a Michigan church
36:09
Speaker 3: and opens fire. Kosher Garda will join me a little
36:12
Speaker 3: later on to discuss.
36:17
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well.
36:18
Speaker 3: The Treasurer Jim Chalmers is boasting of a smaller than
36:21
Speaker 3: expected ten billion dollar deficit, claiming it's good news.
36:26
Speaker 6: We turned two very big liberal deficits into two substantial
36:32
Speaker 6: labor surpluses in our first two years, and now in
36:35
Speaker 6: our third year, we've been able to get the deficit
36:39
Speaker 6: much smaller as well.
36:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, what has failed to mention there is that gross
36:44
Speaker 3: debt is still expected to exceed more than one trillion
36:47
Speaker 3: dollars thanks to record government spending. To cut through the spin,
36:52
Speaker 3: I'm now joined by Institute of Public Affairs Research fellow
36:55
Speaker 3: Saxon Davidson Saxon, thank you for your time. Can labor
36:59
Speaker 3: really claim today result is good news? But is there
37:01
Speaker 3: actually such thing as a positive deficit?
37:07
Speaker 17: I'm actually quite shocked that we've reached the level of
37:09
Speaker 17: discourse when it comes to fiscal policy that a deficit
37:13
Speaker 17: of any kind is some cause for celebration. I mean,
37:17
Speaker 17: government spending is at a forty year plus when you
37:20
Speaker 17: exclude the pandemic.
37:21
Speaker 1: As you mentioned.
37:22
Speaker 17: Before, we're about to reach over one trillion dollars in
37:25
Speaker 17: gross debt. And for this record spending, it's not really
37:29
Speaker 17: going anywhere, and it's not causing any major benefit to
37:33
Speaker 17: the Australian taxpayer. We're still underfunding our defense and to service.
37:38
Speaker 17: The gross debt is going to be the fastest growing
37:40
Speaker 17: expenditure item through the forward estimates. There is no positive
37:45
Speaker 17: spin to this whatsoever, And I think the Treasure thinks
37:48
Speaker 17: we're all mugs if he thinks he can put a
37:50
Speaker 17: positive spin onto this.
37:51
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and how much of this do you think can
37:53
Speaker 3: be attributed to masking that Australia's spending is at its
37:58
Speaker 3: highest level in four years.
38:03
Speaker 17: Well, there's nothing that can really mask it. It's just
38:06
Speaker 17: a natural fact. Spending is only going up and this
38:09
Speaker 17: is creating a whole assortment of other issues. Inflation remains persistent,
38:13
Speaker 17: this is having a big effect on interest rates, and
38:17
Speaker 17: as I mentioned earlier, there's no real benefit to all
38:20
Speaker 17: this spending. The living standards of Australians as continuing to decline.
38:23
Speaker 17: This government has been the government over the most amount
38:28
Speaker 17: of per capita decline and GDP out of any government,
38:32
Speaker 17: and the lived experience of Australians just isn't getting better.
38:35
Speaker 17: We must cut spending in order to get inflation down
38:39
Speaker 17: to a sustainable level and also to get rate cuts down.
38:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to ask you about the RBA
38:45
Speaker 3: in a moment, but let's check in on the alb
38:47
Speaker 3: and Easy government's progress on the housing crisis.
38:49
Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Remember how they announced a ten billion dollar fund to
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Speaker 3: build forty thousand affordable homes by twenty twenty eight. Well,
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Speaker 3: in the past three months, the much heralded housing fund
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Speaker 3: has spent equivalent of what it would cost to build
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Speaker 3: just eight median priced homes in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Would you believe eight?
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Speaker 3: And of course the government insists that they're still on track. Saxon,
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Speaker 3: We know that a couple of months ago, leak treasury
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Speaker 3: documents said that label would not reach its housing targets,
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Speaker 3: and now this what's happened.
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Speaker 17: Well, the simple fact is is that this is just
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Speaker 17: more lip service to the Australian public from the Albanza
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Speaker 17: government about building homes. We know that they're nowhere near
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Speaker 17: on track to meet their national housing a called targets.
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Speaker 17: And the simple fact is that none of their housing
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Speaker 17: targets or housing policies actually address the key structural issues
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Speaker 17: facing the supply crisis of housing, which is largely at
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Speaker 17: the state level. To be honest, it doesn't address the
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Speaker 17: massive lands owning issues, it doesn't address the red tape problems,
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Speaker 17: it doesn't address the worker shortage crisis in our construction sector,
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Speaker 17: and it also doesn't address address the massive demand surge
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Speaker 17: which has actually been caused by our federal governments immigration program.
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Speaker 17: All these policies are as lip service that doesn't address
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Speaker 17: the key issues actually facing the housing crisis.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, we've got record rates of migration where we're going
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Speaker 3: to put all these people, we don't have the housing.
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Speaker 3: Labor can't even meet any of its housing targets. So again,
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Speaker 3: it's just this policy that's just not working and every
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Speaker 3: day Aussies are once again suffering because of it. I
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Speaker 3: thought this was an interesting story today, Saxon. Borrowers a
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Speaker 3: stashing away reserve bank interest rate cuts rather than splurging
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Speaker 3: that spare cash. Since the RBA started cutting rates in February,
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Speaker 3: it's taken the cash rate, of course, down from four
40:35
Speaker 3: point three to five to three point six percent, So
40:38
Speaker 3: on an average six hundred thousand dollars mortgage, that reduction
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Speaker 3: would reduce monthly repayments by three hundred dollars. Saxon, what
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Speaker 3: does it tell us that home owners are saving that
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Speaker 3: money rather than spending it.
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Speaker 17: Well, it's telling me that a lot of us show
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Speaker 17: in households just don't have the disposable income to be
40:56
Speaker 17: able to spend on non essentials from the money that
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Speaker 17: they are saving from these reserve bank rate cuts. And
41:03
Speaker 17: this is because inflation is still fairly persistent, especially underlying
41:07
Speaker 17: inflation is fairly persistent, and the core essentials that people need,
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Speaker 17: that people need to spend on those core goods and
41:14
Speaker 17: services remain at elevated levels. Rental prices are still up,
41:17
Speaker 17: housing prices are still up. People's power bills are still up.
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Speaker 17: And the reason that this is the case is because
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Speaker 17: the federal government refuses to take the actions required to
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Speaker 17: actually lower these bills. They are not, as we're talking
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Speaker 17: about housing, addressing those core housing issues. They are still
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Speaker 17: driving demand for housing through their unprecedented and uncontrolled migration program.
41:37
Speaker 17: And they are still persisting with the emission reduction energy
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Speaker 17: policies and net zero policies that drive up power bills
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Speaker 17: and put more intermits and unreliable renewables into the grid.
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Speaker 17: The government simply isn't doing the isn't simply isn't addressing
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Speaker 17: the structural issues that are actually forcing these prices to
41:53
Speaker 17: remain elevated. And these are white households are forced to
41:56
Speaker 17: save instead of spend this extra cash on UNA central things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, absolutely every penny counts right now, just quickly.
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Speaker 3: The RBA is, of course meeting tomorrow. What do you
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Speaker 3: expect them to do here, Saxon?
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Speaker 17: I expect rates to remain the same because these underlying
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Speaker 17: issues still remain, and I'm not sure that the cash
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Speaker 17: rate's going to lower much more in the medium to
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Speaker 17: long term, simply because there is no indication that the
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Speaker 17: government is going to undertake any of these changes that
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Speaker 17: I listed previously.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think you're spot on, and yeah, mortgage
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Speaker 3: holders were waiting with baited breath again tomorrow, Saxon Davidson,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: Still to come chaos in New York politics as Eric
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Speaker 3: Adams bows out of the mayoral race and leaves the
42:45
Speaker 3: field wide open for a radical socialist takeover.
42:49
Speaker 2: Plus the stunt that backfired and anti.
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Speaker 3: Ice protesters car rolls straight into a lake while she
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Speaker 3: screams at offices, good one kosher Gada is next, welcome back.
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Speaker 3: While in Iraq, war veteran has been identified as the
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Speaker 3: gunman who drove into a church in the US state
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Speaker 3: of Michigan and opened fire, killing four people. Authority say
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Speaker 3: hundreds were inside when the building was also set alight
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Speaker 3: by the suspect. Jordamy now Is Sky News contributor Kosha Gada, Kosha,
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Speaker 3: thanks for joining me. This is not the first attack
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Speaker 3: on a place of worship in the.
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Speaker 2: US in recent months.
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Speaker 3: What's behind the rise in violence, particularly against Christians?
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Speaker 2: Do you think.
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Speaker 18: It is not the last couple there was a school
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Speaker 18: shooting in Minnesota. There was a Christian school in Tennessee
43:36
Speaker 18: where that happened. That's even worse not to put a
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Speaker 18: multiplayer on it, because there was children involved, and you know,
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Speaker 18: the President himself came out and called this an attack
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Speaker 18: against Christianity. I know there's an argument on the other side,
43:49
Speaker 18: given the emerging profile of the shooter that he was
43:52
Speaker 18: a war veteran, an ex marine, etc. So it's not
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Speaker 18: always clear cut in that way, but it does seem
43:58
Speaker 18: like they're in general violences on the rise. You can
44:01
Speaker 18: draw a straight line through all of those incidents, the
44:04
Speaker 18: Charlie Kirk assassination and now these churches, and if anything,
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Speaker 18: certainly there doesn't seem to be enough of a strong
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Speaker 18: pushback against attacks on Christianity and churches and places of
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Speaker 18: worship the way there might have been if it had
44:20
Speaker 18: been another religion or another situation. And I think that
44:24
Speaker 18: is a narrative that we're going to see continuing to
44:27
Speaker 18: rise and see pushed back from the government on that,
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Speaker 18: certainly from Trump and Vans. But this is certainly something
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Speaker 18: Any violence is very bad, but when it is a
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Speaker 18: place of worship. It just rises to a whole other level,
44:37
Speaker 18: and I think people are very, I think stunned as
44:40
Speaker 18: these incidents continue to rise.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely and you mentioned Donald Trump's response He's posted on
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Speaker 3: social media. This appears to be yet another targeted attack
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Speaker 3: on Christians in the US. This epidemic of violence in
44:50
Speaker 3: the country must end immediately. But this is the thing, Kosher,
44:54
Speaker 3: we're seeing this time and time again. You mentioned Charlie Kirk.
44:57
Speaker 3: A lot of these incidences are clearly politically motivated. We
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Speaker 3: talk a lot about how much words matter, and there's
45:03
Speaker 3: been a lot of inflammatory language, particularly from the Democrats,
45:06
Speaker 3: particularly from the left.
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Speaker 2: But what's the solution here, Tough.
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Speaker 18: I think you know, there's sort of a pyramid of
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Speaker 18: attack that's happening, and the solution I think has to
45:16
Speaker 18: reflect that pyramid. So at the bottom of it, and
45:19
Speaker 18: you've heard reports of this really getting to the bottom
45:21
Speaker 18: of who's funding things. So I'm not suggesting this particular
45:24
Speaker 18: attack was on the back of some sort of organized funding,
45:27
Speaker 18: but in general, there is a lot of funding allegedly
45:30
Speaker 18: that is taking place around a lot of these agitators
45:34
Speaker 18: from different aspects, whether it's going after a place of worship,
45:37
Speaker 18: or it's going after individuals like Charlie Kuerger, what have you.
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Speaker 18: How much of that is the result of some sort
45:43
Speaker 18: of organized effort. That's one layer. The next layer is
45:47
Speaker 18: certainly the media and the rhetoric, and not just the
45:49
Speaker 18: media media amplifies it, but also elected officials. You had
45:52
Speaker 18: the governor of California, Gavenuson, just came out and said
45:55
Speaker 18: the other day, two days ago that Stephen Miller, one
45:58
Speaker 18: of the chief policy advisors the Trump administration, for example,
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Speaker 18: is a fascist or the government of California sort of
46:04
Speaker 18: put that out there, and he got a lot of
46:06
Speaker 18: blowback for that because it's not even three weeks since
46:09
Speaker 18: what happened with Charlie kirk. So there's sort of this
46:11
Speaker 18: tone or this call to try and tone down that
46:13
Speaker 18: rhetoric from elected officials and the media certainly in their
46:16
Speaker 18: role in that. So I think it's those two things.
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Speaker 18: You've got a name and shame people for doing this
46:21
Speaker 18: and calling everybody a fascist, everybody Hitler, etc. There are
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Speaker 18: consequences to that, because words do matter, as you say,
46:28
Speaker 18: and then also sort of the funding and organized crime
46:31
Speaker 18: that takes place as a result of that funding, and
46:33
Speaker 18: then the last thing, of course, is just going after
46:35
Speaker 18: the actual perpetrators and agitators in the public, and that's
46:38
Speaker 18: where President Trump designating antifas a domestic organization and unleashing
46:42
Speaker 18: the full weight of the government to try and tamp
46:45
Speaker 18: it down is something we didn't see it in twenty
46:47
Speaker 18: twenty after the BLM riots, but I think you're seeing
46:50
Speaker 18: that and ratchet it up a little bit right now.
46:52
Speaker 18: And I think those two to three vectors, if we
46:54
Speaker 18: go after all of that, then you might try to
46:57
Speaker 18: see some semblance of a solution. But it is not
46:59
Speaker 18: going to be easy, and I hate to say it,
47:00
Speaker 18: it might get worse before it gets better.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely a spot on. Now I'm
47:05
Speaker 3: going to ask you about this. New York Mayor Eric
47:07
Speaker 3: Adams has surprisingly dropped out of the city's mayoral race.
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Speaker 2: Have a listened.
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Speaker 19: He has been my honor to be your mayor, and
47:15
Speaker 19: I'm proud to say that we took that victory four
47:19
Speaker 19: years ago and turned it into action. And yet despite
47:24
Speaker 19: all we've achieved, I cannot continue my reelection campaign Kosher.
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Speaker 3: There's hope that this move may now put pressure on
47:33
Speaker 3: front runner socialist Zora and Mamdani you know, the guy's
47:36
Speaker 3: got a resume longer than my arm.
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Speaker 2: But Watson promoted this dropout. Do you think you know?
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Speaker 18: He was certainly under a lot of pressure because this
47:45
Speaker 18: race is Mamdani's to lose. As much as we cover
47:49
Speaker 18: it as outrageous, it is that somebody like him who
47:52
Speaker 18: has no business being in politics and running for the
47:54
Speaker 18: mayor the most iconic city on earth. All that being said,
47:57
Speaker 18: he really is still the front runner for this given
48:00
Speaker 18: the structural reality of the electorate in New York City,
48:03
Speaker 18: and when you cannibalize the opposition, so you had former
48:07
Speaker 18: Governor Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams both running day were
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Speaker 18: sort of cannibalizing the vote, and that just mathematically really
48:14
Speaker 18: was a big, big advantage from Mamdani. Him dropping out,
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Speaker 18: of course, removes that cannibalization risk and gives a fighting
48:20
Speaker 18: chance to Andrew Cuomo. And I'm sure all that pressure
48:23
Speaker 18: was certainly there. He was under a lot of pressure
48:26
Speaker 18: to drop out for that reason, to give Puomo a
48:29
Speaker 18: fighting chance. On top of that, he certainly was in
48:31
Speaker 18: the crosshairs of different investigations, and he was the culprit
48:35
Speaker 18: of bribery charges and things like that which were dropped
48:38
Speaker 18: or lessened, but his hands certainly weren't clean. So I
48:41
Speaker 18: think all those things were brought to bear to get
48:43
Speaker 18: rid of him, so that Pomo had a chance.
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Speaker 2: That fascinating, isn't it, Kasha Gota. We gonna leave it there.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on the show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for your company. I'll be back again tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: Now it's time for Paul Murray.