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Keeping Your Emotions In Check With JOEY VERA From ARMORED SAINT · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: This is Joey Vera from Armored Saint and I'm here
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  Speaker 1: to talk about our new record called Emotion Factory Reset,
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  Speaker 1: coming out on May twenty second on Metal Blade Records.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic, Jarry, thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate it so as you say, mate, I would Saint
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  Speaker 3: releasing new album on Motion Factory Reset on MA the
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  Speaker 3: twenty seconds not that far right now, right?
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  Speaker 2: How you feeling about it?
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  Speaker 1: We're super excited, you know, we're really happy with the
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  Speaker 1: record and stops to hear let everybody in the world
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  Speaker 1: hear it, and we're yeah, we're super excited for it
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  Speaker 1: to come out.
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  Speaker 3: Noice, Can you tell us a more about the album
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  Speaker 3: from a musical point of view and what you're gone
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  Speaker 3: for this time around?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, every time we make a record, we
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  Speaker 4: I try not to think too much.
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  Speaker 1: About that, like, you know, what, what are we going
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  Speaker 1: to do? What kind of a record are we going
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  Speaker 1: to make? Or what direction are we going in or
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff. I don't like to really talk about
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  Speaker 1: it too much because for me, it puts on a
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  Speaker 1: little bit too much of expectation, or it puts like
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  Speaker 1: a boundary on it, and I'd rather, I'd rather the
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  Speaker 1: plain feud field to just be wide open. So the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that I really was attempting to do this
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  Speaker 1: time was to write songs that were a little more
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  Speaker 1: concise in their arrangements and the song length. I have
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  Speaker 1: a tendency to write long songs, longer songs than normal,
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  Speaker 1: so I wanted to challenge myself and challenge the listeners
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  Speaker 1: along the way to see if I could write shorter
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  Speaker 1: songs basically for lack of a better explanation. But other
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  Speaker 1: than that, you know, our goal is to really our
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  Speaker 1: goal is to really just challenge ourselves as songwriters and
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  Speaker 1: try not to make the same record twice. We're always
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  Speaker 1: trying to push the boundaries a little bit without alienating
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  Speaker 1: on our fans, of course, So there's a fine line
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  Speaker 1: between brilliance and stupidity. Sorry I couldn't resist final tap,
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  Speaker 1: But there is a fine line between you know, paying
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  Speaker 1: homage to where we come from, you know, we're a
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  Speaker 1: band that rows up in the eighties, and then also
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  Speaker 1: also trying to challenge yourself to try to make something
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  Speaker 1: that's more modern sounding, you know. I mean, most of
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  Speaker 1: my influences are from the seventies, but I still like
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  Speaker 1: to listen to some modern music, and I try to
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  Speaker 1: interject all the things that are in my wheelhouse, which
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  Speaker 1: is everything from like seventies classic rock to hard rock
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  Speaker 1: from the seventies and early eighties, to pop music to
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  Speaker 1: R and B and funk music and music netlist nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like whatever you know, Like I get influences
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  Speaker 1: from all kinds of things. So the challenges to put
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  Speaker 1: it all together make it not sound dated and also
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  Speaker 1: make it sound kind of fresh but have a lineage
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  Speaker 1: to our past. And it's not an easy thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's kind of difficult to do that, but
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  Speaker 1: I think that we've succeeded in doing that so far.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, it sounds pretty fresh. Everything sounds good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, So help would just say it difference musically
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  Speaker 3: fromably your previous album, Punching the Sky.
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  Speaker 1: Well really only in that sense to me, other than
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  Speaker 1: the arrangement side of it. And maybe I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this this one we took a few more chances
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  Speaker 1: with some stylistically, some things stylistically, and uh, but I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't say that it's vastly different than Punching the Sky.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, that's where it differs is there's probably
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  Speaker 1: a little more influence from other things that maybe weren't
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  Speaker 1: there in the past. And also that combined with the
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  Speaker 1: shorter the shorter programs, the songs being a little shorter,
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  Speaker 1: those are really the kind of the big the key
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  Speaker 1: differences to my ears. Anyway, I read.
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  Speaker 3: A quote where you said, HVID site record is like
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  Speaker 3: a new skins for the band.
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  Speaker 2: Can you elaborate on that a bit first?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, I I uh, I've never really consciously
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  Speaker 1: thought of it that way, but but you know, when
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  Speaker 1: I look back on our catalog, that's pretty much what
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  Speaker 1: has happened. Every record that we make has kind of
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  Speaker 1: like been on its own It's been in its own
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  Speaker 1: little world, and so each record remake is sort of
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  Speaker 1: like a little these little you know, ten song units
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  Speaker 1: that are sort of on their own little islands, let's say.
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  Speaker 1: And it's so kind of fitting I think for our band,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that our band speaking of being on
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  Speaker 1: their own island, I think that we're kind of on
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  Speaker 1: our own island. We don't We're not really we don't
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  Speaker 1: really fit into like a specific genre really strictly. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we have some elements sometimes of you know, things that
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  Speaker 1: might sound like thrash, but we're not a thrash band,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and we have other elements that are you know.
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  Speaker 1: You might say like, oh, that reminds me of traditional
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  Speaker 1: metal or whatever, but we're not a traditional metal band.
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  Speaker 1: So we're kind of like this, you know, we're a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of everything. We're a little bit all over
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  Speaker 1: the place. But that's what makes us kind of unique
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  Speaker 1: in that way. So I think that we're sort of
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  Speaker 1: on our own island, and each time we make a record,
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  Speaker 1: it's like building a new island to put these ten
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  Speaker 1: songs on. So, you know, in doing that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: starting out to write music, you know, like I said
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  Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit ago, where I don't
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  Speaker 1: like to talk too much about it. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: to overthink what we're doing. I don't want to have
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  Speaker 1: too much baggage or limitations, you know, I want a
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  Speaker 1: clean slate. So for me, every time, going back to
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  Speaker 1: the drawing board, as it were, Let's say I'm like
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  Speaker 1: a painter or whatever, and you have a canvas in
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  Speaker 1: front of you, but the cannabis has a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: leftover paint from the last painting you did, So I
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  Speaker 1: would rather get out my paint scraper and just wipe
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  Speaker 1: that canvas completely clean before I start writing. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: that's the reset part. That's the that's the part where
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  Speaker 1: you are reimagining what we've done in the past forty
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  Speaker 1: years into this whole other collection of songs that has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the past. Well, I wouldn't say nothing,
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  Speaker 1: but it has. It has. It's a different viewpoint from
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  Speaker 1: all the other records you did in the past. So
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  Speaker 1: every time we do this, to me, it's like shedding
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  Speaker 1: your skin of what you don't. I want to shed
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  Speaker 1: all the expectations and the limitations and all those sort
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  Speaker 1: of things, and I want to start fresh. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: that's the that's the rebirth, that's the sort of the
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  Speaker 1: new skin part. You know. It's like like when the
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  Speaker 1: lizard gets to a certain age, he gets rid of
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  Speaker 1: his skin and then he grows a new skin. And
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  Speaker 1: that's that's kind of how I look at every record
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  Speaker 1: we make, or a bunch of lizards.
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  Speaker 3: I look through the album, I say, there's no song
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  Speaker 3: on their quarter Motion Factory reset, which to me signifies
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  Speaker 3: has got to be a bit more greater, meaning.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's a lyric from it's a lyric in the
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  Speaker 1: song Close to the Bone, and the song the song
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  Speaker 1: isn't necessarily about that, It's not it's not really about
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not really about Reset. It's not about
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  Speaker 1: it's not really about that. It's about something different. It's
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  Speaker 1: about I'm not even sure exactly what it's about, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's kind of more about like how you it's
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  Speaker 1: The song itself is about how you deal with people
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  Speaker 1: in a either a working relationship or a family relationship
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  Speaker 1: or an emotional relationship, and when things get sticky, how
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  Speaker 1: do you deal with it? You know a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, keeping your emotions and your opinions and feelings
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  Speaker 1: close to yourself internally is one way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: That's close to the bone. You're keeping all that stuff inside.
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  Speaker 1: But Phil Sanderbal, the guitar player, handed a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: like words and lines. It weren't really lyrics per se.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a bunch of like lines and words
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  Speaker 1: that he heard reading the paper or something on internet
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and so one of the lines was emotion
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  Speaker 1: factory Reset, and John felt like it fit into the
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  Speaker 1: lyrical context of Close to the Bone. So it appears
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  Speaker 1: in like the second bridge, I think is where that
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  Speaker 1: line appears. And so when we were looking for titles
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  Speaker 1: for the record, we're throwing around all a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different ideas, wait a really long list of like lines
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  Speaker 1: from lyrics of the songs that are on this record,
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff, and no one could agree on anything.
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  Speaker 1: But except for Emotion Factory Reset, we all pretty much
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  Speaker 1: like that. So we said, all right, let's just call
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  Speaker 1: the record that. So's that's what the name, that's where
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  Speaker 1: the name comes from, and why it's there.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's a sort of touch on it's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit before but this is.
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  Speaker 2: Your not studio album, nounce.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think it becomes easier or how to come
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  Speaker 3: up with fresh newsstanding material the more you're on it's hard.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I would not say it's easy. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I have to say that like once, once the
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  Speaker 1: ball gets rolling, like once, you know, once I get
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  Speaker 1: like two or three songs under my belt and I
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  Speaker 1: share them with John and together we write the first
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  Speaker 1: couple of songs. Then it starts to get it easier.
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  Speaker 1: But getting to the getting those first three on the
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  Speaker 1: racetrack is hard. And it's I think it's just because
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  Speaker 1: like the way that I wait for the I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily wait for a muse or I don't
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  Speaker 1: wait for inspiration. Like I literally have to go find it.
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  Speaker 1: I wish, I wish it would just land on my lap.
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  Speaker 1: But but you know, it takes work. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: have to you have to start sketching, and for lack
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  Speaker 1: of a better explanation, you have to start sketching. You
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  Speaker 1: have to start pulling around. You know. Sometimes I sit
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  Speaker 1: in front of the TV with my guitar on and
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  Speaker 1: not plugged in, and I'm not even paying attention to
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  Speaker 1: what I'm playing. I'm watching TV. It's just mindless gibberish
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  Speaker 1: coming out on the guitar. Sometimes I sit outside and
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  Speaker 1: do the same thing, looking up into my yard backyard
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and looking at the clouds like and whatever,
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  Speaker 1: just like trying to like free up space in consciousness
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  Speaker 1: so that something starts to come. But it takes effort
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  Speaker 1: doing that, and you got to be patient and and
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  Speaker 1: I don't really have a lot of patents when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to that, because because you know, I once I
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  Speaker 1: decide like all right, I made the decision to start
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  Speaker 1: writing a record, Okay, then you're I'm not sitting there
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  Speaker 1: looking at a blank piece of paper like, fuck, you know,
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  Speaker 1: nothing's coming out. So it takes work. It takes a
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  Speaker 1: lot of work to get there. But I have to
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  Speaker 1: say I do have to say that once it once
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  Speaker 1: it starts rolling, it's a little easier. I just start
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  Speaker 1: to like, I start to feel like I trust whatever's coming,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, and then I just let it go. And look,
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  Speaker 1: not everything that we wrote ended up on the record,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's there's some misses and some things just didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: But that's just the process, you know. So yeah, y'are.
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  Speaker 3: Nice, I would say, formed in La back in nine
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  Speaker 3: eighty two, mates, So what was the musical climate life
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  Speaker 3: at the time it gave birth to the band and
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  Speaker 3: where did you sort of fit in and to see yourselves?
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  Speaker 1: And usually, well, it's pretty cool time being here. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I was just talking about this a little while
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  Speaker 1: ago today with somebody else and they they mentioned, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what a cool thing to be in La,
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  Speaker 1: like right when the new wave of British heavy metal
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  Speaker 1: was really like taking over kind of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: it came from overseas and it really landed and started
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  Speaker 1: making waves here. But I mean, we were just in
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  Speaker 1: the right place at the right time, and super lucky
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  Speaker 1: that we were. I can't really tell you, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when it's happening, it's all so new, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: the word heavy metal was not really used here, believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not, in nineteen eighty eighty eighty one. It
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  Speaker 1: was something that sort of like came grew naturally out
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  Speaker 1: of organic, you know, influence from what was happening and
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  Speaker 1: been Britain mostly, and so we just happened to be here.
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  Speaker 1: We gravitated towards it. We loved all those early bands
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  Speaker 1: and it was a big influence on us, and it
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  Speaker 1: started to affect not only us, but like like everybody
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  Speaker 1: in the city. And so suddenly you had like people
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  Speaker 1: walking around looking like, you know, justsed like Paul Diano
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  Speaker 1: or Steve Harris or like Rob Halford or just people
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  Speaker 1: in metal and Bruce Dickinson with the wristbands arm wristband things,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and studs and leather, and they're like holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I'm like I'm looking at Kurryng magazine right now,
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  Speaker 1: but it's in Hollywood, Like yeah, like what the hell
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  Speaker 1: is going on? So at the time you just sort
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  Speaker 1: of are like soaking it in. You're just sort of
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  Speaker 1: like saying, well, this is it should be like this.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's just normal. It just was
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  Speaker 1: a normal thing. So people ask them all the time,
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  Speaker 1: what was it like, it must have been so amazing,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, and I'm like, well, fuck, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I was just having such a good time. I was
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  Speaker 1: partying and drinking and smoking pot and it just seemed
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  Speaker 1: like the normal thing to do. I don't know, it
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  Speaker 1: was just normal. It's just is what it was. So
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like, you know, I didn't really appreciate it
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  Speaker 1: until later, like like when it was gone or when
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  Speaker 1: it changed, you know, when when the hairbands came up,
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  Speaker 1: or when Grudge came and kind of wiped it out,
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  Speaker 1: wiped it away, and then I was like, fuck, you know,
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  Speaker 1: now I appreciate it. But but it was pretty It
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  Speaker 1: was a pretty exciting time, you know. It was it
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  Speaker 1: was like the wild West a little bit. It was cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome. It's all brand new, pretty special being
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  Speaker 1: at some of those early shows, seeing some of the
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  Speaker 1: first metal bands ever to come out of la and
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  Speaker 1: and be playing on stage with some of them, and
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  Speaker 1: it was pretty awesome. Really cool.
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  Speaker 3: I'm over the course of yourkoreer mate, like music's undergone
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  Speaker 3: heaps some fans and heaps some changes. But I would say,
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  Speaker 3: and I've always stayed true to yourself and your own
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  Speaker 3: musical vision, I guess. So has it ever been champion
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  Speaker 3: to sort of try and blend in with the masses
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  Speaker 3: and go with these changes in search for a bit
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  Speaker 3: more commercial success.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'd be lying if I said no, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It was we found ourselves, you know, to sort of
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  Speaker 1: answer I didn't quite answer your question one hundred percent previously.
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  Speaker 1: And this is this is part of this question here
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, is that we found ourselves were that we
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  Speaker 1: were influenced by you know, the new every bit of
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  Speaker 1: chevy metal bands that you know, the Iron Maidens and
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  Speaker 1: Saxon's and Motorheads and those bands like that, and so,
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  Speaker 1: but when all the bands in LA were also influenced
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  Speaker 1: by the same music, next thing, you know, like we're
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  Speaker 1: all doing the same thing. So we were like trying
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  Speaker 1: to find a way to break away from the pack.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, we felt comfortable in the beginning
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  Speaker 1: as to who we were. We were just like a
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  Speaker 1: powerhouse band. We were we had way more in common
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  Speaker 1: with like, you know, like the Marquee Club in London
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  Speaker 1: than we did than we did with the Whiskey Here
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  Speaker 1: in Hollywood. You know, we were more like we wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be like Iron Maiden in nineteen seventy nine, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like that was our goal, you know, And but in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: In Hollywood, you had a little bit of different influence.
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  Speaker 1: You had you had like a late glam influence that
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  Speaker 1: was still here from the seventies. So you had bands
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  Speaker 1: like Rat and Wasp and Black and Blue, bands like
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  Speaker 1: that that were a little more glam leaning than we were.
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  Speaker 1: And so when thrash metal came to be a thing
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  Speaker 1: in eighty five eighty six, we were already signed to
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  Speaker 1: a major label. We were signed to Chrysalis Records, and
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  Speaker 1: we had already had our first record out, March of
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  Speaker 1: the Saint came out in nineteen eighty four. But about
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  Speaker 1: a year later, thrash started to get big, and so
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  Speaker 1: we started to see a shift in the genre. It's
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  Speaker 1: sort of like was splintering a little bit, and so
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  Speaker 1: suddenly we Night by the time we were writing our
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  Speaker 1: third record, Raising Fear. Raising Fear came out in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven. So when we were writing that record, which
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  Speaker 1: roughly nineteen eighty six, found ourselves with a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of an identity crisis and we were like, well, we're
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  Speaker 1: not quite a hair metal band, and we're not quite
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  Speaker 1: a threat band kind of we're just like a rock band,
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  Speaker 1: but we're a heavy rock band. But we placed some
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  Speaker 1: metal and some of our stuff has blues influenced, like
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  Speaker 1: classic rock blues influence. And then okay, well are we
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  Speaker 1: So we started to have this identity crisis and to
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  Speaker 1: me it's obvious on Raising Fear, but a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people love that record, but that was a record where
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  Speaker 1: I think we tried too hard to fit in in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, And so that was the one time in
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  Speaker 1: our whole career I felt like we were not quite
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  Speaker 1: sure of ourselves. But it was something we had to
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  Speaker 1: go through and it was a learning experience and we
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  Speaker 1: learned from it and I think that it helped shape
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  Speaker 1: to who we became later. For sure, I wouldn't trade
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  Speaker 1: it for the world, but yeah, it was it was interesting,
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  Speaker 1: interesting time cool.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember the first time ever I heard one
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  Speaker 3: of the songs on radio and where you.
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  Speaker 1: Were, Yeah, we were in John's garage because we all
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  Speaker 1: lived with our parents still, So we were at John's
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  Speaker 1: parents' house and he had this like a little portion
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  Speaker 1: of his garage was kind of sectioned off for his
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  Speaker 1: turntable and speakers and his little record collection. So we
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  Speaker 1: had a couch in there too, so we'd go in
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  Speaker 1: there and we spoke pot and we would listen to
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  Speaker 1: music in the garage. And he also had a radio
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  Speaker 1: in there. And so there was a station here in
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles called KMT. It was a old long standing
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  Speaker 1: FM radio station, rock station here in Los Angeles. It
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: was a fixture for many many years, and it was
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  Speaker 1: what you listened to. That's where you listened. It was
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: really the only rock station that was back then. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's where we heard where I heard Queen
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, so where I heard them Busy
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: for the first time. You know. It's that kind of
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  Speaker 1: a station. UFO, Kiss, cheap Trick, like Aerosmith. They played
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: all that, step AC DC, all that. So they had
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday nights when heavy metal started to get popular,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: they had a heavy metal show on Saturday nights. And
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the DJ was Jim Ladd, who was like our idol.
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  Speaker 1: It was like he was like the godfather of rock
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  Speaker 1: radio in our minds, and so he had a special
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  Speaker 1: show on Saturday nights. It was like one or two hours,
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  Speaker 1: and he was played just local music because at the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: time that's none of us were signed yet. It was
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: just local music. So we had released our first EP
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: on Metal Play Records in nineteen eighty three, and he
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: played a song from the EP and actually I think
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: it was a demo. I take that back. It was.
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  Speaker 1: They were playing cassette demos back then. So we had
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  Speaker 1: a five song demo of three of the songs which
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: ended up on the EP, but the other two songs
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: were the fuck Was It False? Alarm? I guess is
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: what he played and that ended up on Merch of
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the Saint, But the demo version of that is what
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: we first heard on the radio. And you know, he
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: introduced us, and you know the vocal guys hitting the streets,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the band called Armored Saint. We're like, oh
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: my god, he's fucking playing us, and we were just
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: freaking out, totally stone out of our minds, like we
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: made it, man, we fucking made it. We were like
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: nineteen years old, dude at that point. It's crazy.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Stay all right, thanks very much for your time, bro.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: It's being a pleasure. A merchant factory Reset is out
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: made a twenty second.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean fortunate enough to have a listener, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: it's fine, plenty piece of music, many good albums.
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  Speaker 2: Best of luck with it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, thanks for having me, and I
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: hope to see you down there very soon, this time
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  Speaker 1: working on it, I promise, and I hope it's sooner
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  Speaker 1: than later.