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Smelling Good is Being Memorable · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: My Beauty Secret, Vengeance. My beauty secret is literally estrogen.
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Speaker 1: I mean kind of yeah, no, no, like really, we're
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Speaker 1: still on vacation, you know, we're like just vibing this August.
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Speaker 1: So this episode is going to be a little lighter,
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Speaker 1: but we're going to be talking about something that's like
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Speaker 1: a little more ephemeral than our usual topics. And today
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about beauty. I think you and
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Speaker 1: I are two people who have very different but um
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Speaker 1: important relationships with beauty, certainly with beauty products, Taurus placements, yes,
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Speaker 1: tourist placements. Um. Can you like track in your life
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Speaker 1: when beauty was something that you started really caring about?
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean kind of in the way of just, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, like caring about what you looked like.
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Speaker 1: But I think, um, I guess the idea of beauty
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Speaker 1: that I have always been interested in is like when
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Speaker 1: you start investing in what you look like. And I
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Speaker 1: don't mean just financially, although obviously that's a huge part
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Speaker 1: of beauty, but I think like investing your time and energy,
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Speaker 1: um into what you look like. That's a really good question.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I have a crystal clear answer,
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Speaker 1: but I maybe maybe not an answer to your question,
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Speaker 1: but maybe an early something that is something that I
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Speaker 1: actually have on a home video somewhere is me. I'm
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Speaker 1: like maybe like two years old or one or two,
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Speaker 1: and my parents are throwing a birthday party for me,
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Speaker 1: and someone as a joke like put cake on my face,
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Speaker 1: you know, because it's like your kid and cake on
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Speaker 1: your face or whatever, and I remember being like, what
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Speaker 1: the fuck did you just and like wiping it off
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Speaker 1: my face like this, like being like what the fuck
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Speaker 1: did you just do to me? And being like I
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Speaker 1: will not not be beautiful. You know. What I mean
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Speaker 1: you should have done is you should have rubbed it
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Speaker 1: into your face out fire. Um. I feel like, can
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Speaker 1: we do one together on three one two three? Hello?
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Speaker 1: I think we just got up. I think we got
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Speaker 1: some peaks there. Um my, um my point. My point being,
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Speaker 1: I have kind of always been concerned with aesthetics and
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Speaker 1: the aesthetic value of myself and things around me, which
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Speaker 1: is not something I'm necessarily proud of, but just drives
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Speaker 1: my life regardless. And um yeah, I think that beauty
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Speaker 1: is something that I'm constantly striving for, if not accomplishing,
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Speaker 1: which I accomplish it often. Um, what about you, Rose, Like,
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Speaker 1: do you think you have like a formative devotion to
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Speaker 1: beauty or like an early memory of beauty? Yeah, my
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Speaker 1: mama told me when I was young in the glass
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Speaker 1: of hard Boudoir. I think, like, of course, I've always
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Speaker 1: you know, had feelings and thoughts and opinions about um,
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Speaker 1: my body and like the way I was viewed whatever.
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Speaker 1: But I also think it's honest to say that for
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Speaker 1: most of my life, beauty and maybe like the truest
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Speaker 1: sense of the word, was not something that I really
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Speaker 1: thought about until I was presenting as female. Like I
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Speaker 1: think a mob people generally not to make a mass generalization,
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Speaker 1: but it's just something we're taught to care less about
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Speaker 1: or taught or socialized to think that it is. It's
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Speaker 1: not something that's for us. Beauty is something that is
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Speaker 1: for women, and and to be concerned with beauty is
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Speaker 1: not for us. We are cultured to just I don't know,
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Speaker 1: the little balls of mud, but just like don't care
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Speaker 1: about like our fucking hygiene or like how we present
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Speaker 1: to the world, and like, I don't know, thinking back
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Speaker 1: to our devil Wares product episode and other things we
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Speaker 1: talked about this podcast, Like I think as superficial and
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Speaker 1: as capitalistic and as you know, as much of an
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Speaker 1: artifice that like beauty and aesthetics can be, especially when
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Speaker 1: you're trying to make it in an industry. It is
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Speaker 1: also your armor. It is the thing that you wear
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Speaker 1: out into the world to not only show an express
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Speaker 1: to people who you are, but also to safeguard you,
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Speaker 1: you know, like as marginalized people. Sometimes beauty is one
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Speaker 1: of the few tools we have to navigating or getting
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Speaker 1: up in certain spaces. But also on the flip side,
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Speaker 1: beauty is pain. Beauty is pain, and I have I
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Speaker 1: have gone through a lot of pain for beauty. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, that reminds me of laser tomorrow. I need
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Speaker 1: to I need to schedule this was my this was
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Speaker 1: my laser that I scheduled to I'm going to like
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Speaker 1: go into full like Greta Garbo hermit mode for like
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Speaker 1: a week and a half after and just like not
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Speaker 1: see anyone. I'm going to get laser and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to let myself become the Wolfman for a little bit
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Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, because I think my problem is that,
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Speaker 1: like with lasers, that I always like shaved too quickly
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Speaker 1: after it, and I just need to let it all
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Speaker 1: fall out. Always that what you're supposed to do. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: according to my laser tech, to shave, and so for
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Speaker 1: that it come out naturally. So for the virgins, I'm
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of my laser journey getting rid of
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Speaker 1: my chin strap, and I'll also maybe shaving off my mustache.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll be lazering my mustache area.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really utache, baby get ready. I
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Speaker 1: mean I'm excited, Yeah, I mean I'm not that excited.
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Speaker 1: I'm well, honestly, this is great for today's topic. I've
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Speaker 1: had a bit of an existential crisis around shaving my
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Speaker 1: mustache because I have so many different contrasting opinions within
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Speaker 1: my own head about why I have it and why
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't. And um, I often think about what I
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Speaker 1: do to my own image to appear hot to the world,
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Speaker 1: and specifically to appear hot to men, and I do
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Speaker 1: think that growing a mustache was something I did specifically
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Speaker 1: to find and frame my face in a way that
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Speaker 1: made me like my face more. Because the way dysphoria
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Speaker 1: works is just like you just never like your face
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Speaker 1: like ever, it doesn't matter how many procedures you get,
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Speaker 1: like how much like surgery you get, how many ways
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Speaker 1: you manipulate what you do. It's just like so hard
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Speaker 1: to love your face and so you know, trying to
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Speaker 1: find ways to change it was like my first grasp
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Speaker 1: at figuring out like what I am and what I
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Speaker 1: want um and now years and years and years later
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Speaker 1: after having a mustician, it being kind of a part
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Speaker 1: of my for lack of a better word, brand or
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Speaker 1: public image, it feels like everyone loves it. Even if
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Speaker 1: people don't love it. It's like shaving it. People would
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Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, you shave your mustache. That's crazy,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't want any of that, Like
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Speaker 1: it actually shouldn't be that deep, and I'm sure Like
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Speaker 1: it's also you're anticipating, just because of who you are,
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Speaker 1: the the questions that might come with it of people
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Speaker 1: being like, oh, what does it mean? What's going on
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Speaker 1: with your gender? Like you know, like it's very loaded
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Speaker 1: to change thing thought fundamental about yourself, but like the
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Speaker 1: thing is, it's not fundamental. It's it's just hair exactly.
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Speaker 1: It's just told us hair is everything. Hair is everything.
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Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't, but hair is it really is.
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Speaker 1: But like I feel like I've found like my actual
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Speaker 1: hair hair, Like I've really found a journey where I
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Speaker 1: do love my face more because of how my hair
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Speaker 1: frames my face. And so your hair looks great, by
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Speaker 1: the way, thank you. And and honestly, I mean yours
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Speaker 1: always looks great. I don't have to compliment you back, no,
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Speaker 1: I mean whatever, whatever, whatever, um, but I just want
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Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, people can speculate. Obviously, it
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Speaker 1: is a gender thing, like obviously, like I want to
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Speaker 1: shave off my mustache because like I'm a she, they
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Speaker 1: and I want to give a little more she, you know,
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Speaker 1: like and and I feel at odds with that because
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to be hairless in order to belong
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Speaker 1: to a certain echelon of transness, in order to belong
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Speaker 1: to the dolls, in order to belong to you know,
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Speaker 1: all the things that But that is the thing about
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Speaker 1: like this concept of trans beauty and like, um, because
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Speaker 1: you know, I know so many six women, queer women
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Speaker 1: who have tons of body hair and for them, and
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Speaker 1: I certainly have seen women where I think I find
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Speaker 1: their body hair super feminine and feminizing. I actually was
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Speaker 1: thinking about this recently because um, I was. I was
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Speaker 1: on a uh Google image spiral of looking at Julia
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Speaker 1: Roberts and the nineties and she very good spiral to Vien.
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Speaker 1: She very iconically at the premier to notting Hill had
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Speaker 1: really visible um underarm hair and it was such a
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Speaker 1: huge tabloid thing at the time. And I can look
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Speaker 1: at that and be like, oh, that's so cool and
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Speaker 1: like sexy on her. But I do not feel that
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Speaker 1: way about myself. Even though like I don't really shape
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Speaker 1: my under arms, I still think that I should because
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Speaker 1: if I don't, then like it's super masculine, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's just so weird. How well, first of all, like
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Speaker 1: hair removal in general, like we could give a whole
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Speaker 1: you know, presentation on it, but it it has I
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Speaker 1: have the deck ready to go girl like. And but
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Speaker 1: like in a history of hair removal, is is all colonization.
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Speaker 1: It's it's a hundred percent about like colonized ideas of
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Speaker 1: beauty and and misogynistic ideas of beauty to be honest, um,
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Speaker 1: but like back to like what you were just talking about,
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Speaker 1: it's like there, I mean, first, don't get it twisted.
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Speaker 1: Body modification is awesome, like amazing, Yes, Tenata ten. I'm
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Speaker 1: so excited for like the what's next for me just
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Speaker 1: to the small amount of like just in what kind
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Speaker 1: of beauty hacks I've kind of beauty hacks, gender hacks
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Speaker 1: I've gotten into since I you know, gotten on this journey.
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Speaker 1: But like, there's just a lot of people, and I
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Speaker 1: will say this is often an intracommunal conversation where other
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Speaker 1: trans people don't think you're trans unless you shave, unless
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Speaker 1: you're quote unquote hairless and tear. You know what I mean. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's so it's so funny that a discussion of beauty
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Speaker 1: with us immediately turns into a discussion of gender. And
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Speaker 1: I do think that's true of most queer and trans
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Speaker 1: people I know, is those two things are inextricably linked,
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Speaker 1: even people I know who like don't fall anywhere in
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Speaker 1: the trans spectrum, like you know, like so many CIS
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Speaker 1: gay men I know, like, to them, beauty is being
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Speaker 1: super masculine or like whatever version of that means to them. Um,
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Speaker 1: beauty is unfortunately intrinsically wrapped up in gender and vice versa. Um,
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Speaker 1: although I guess like recently, but I mean this is
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Speaker 1: still like proving my point, you know, recently, in the
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Speaker 1: past like a year or so, I've felt a little less.
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Speaker 1: I felt less need to be so strict about like
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Speaker 1: presenting super femin that's like gone on and off, And
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Speaker 1: have sometimes found like a lot of beauty in androgyny. Um.
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Speaker 1: And that's also something I'm usually like really attracted to
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Speaker 1: in people. Um. But like, I mean, that's still inherently gendered,
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Speaker 1: because like androgyny is still I mean, even though like
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Speaker 1: the idea of androgyny is genderless, like I still think
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Speaker 1: it's so wrapped up in gender. Yeah. And that's the
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Speaker 1: other thing is like, at least with me, it's like
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Speaker 1: I am trying to find comfort in androgyny, and I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to find the balance of all different components of
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Speaker 1: what makes me mask and what makes me fem or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And I find that like when I try too hard
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Speaker 1: to push into the doll territory where I'm like I
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Speaker 1: really want to be hairless and TERROR really want to
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Speaker 1: be just like a woman today or whatever. I sometimes
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Speaker 1: I feel like it makes me hate my beauty more
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Speaker 1: because I'm not achieving something that I'm trying at. It's
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Speaker 1: a losing game, yeah, as opposed to actually loving what
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Speaker 1: comes naturally to me, which is to be both and
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Speaker 1: to be a mishmash, and and that like in that
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Speaker 1: there's androgyny, and in that there's faggotry, and that I
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Speaker 1: love those things, and that is like where my beauty
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Speaker 1: goals are. It's an ongoing conversation because just people don't
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Speaker 1: understand that trans people have existed before hair removal and
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Speaker 1: before gender affirming surgeries and before estra diial. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like it's insane that that has to even be clarified.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's because there really aren't that many
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Speaker 1: types of trans people that people turn to on the
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Speaker 1: representational level. I feel like it's like on the ski
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Speaker 1: if you look at the scale of transnits, it's like,
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Speaker 1: on this end of the scale it's Elliott Page, and
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Speaker 1: on this end of the scale it's Laverne Cox, and
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Speaker 1: right in the middle it's a located men on. And
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Speaker 1: you're either one of these three or you're not trans,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like, or we have
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Speaker 1: no idea what to do with you. And so when
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Speaker 1: the needle is like a little bit to the left
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Speaker 1: or a little bit to the right, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of where my gender feels, a lot of the time
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Speaker 1: people are on edge because this is a conversation about it.
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Speaker 1: But but it's about presentation ultimately, Like people are on
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Speaker 1: edge because they're like, well, what are you? You know
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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like people want to extricate and make
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Speaker 1: meaning of your beauty and your presentation and figure out
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Speaker 1: what you are as opposed to just finding solace and
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Speaker 1: in what you remain to be, you know what I mean? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I think this is why I have tried as
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Speaker 1: much as possible to untangle beauty from gender presentation and
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Speaker 1: find things about myself that I that are beautiful. Um,
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Speaker 1: no matter how I'm presenting or like how fhem or
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Speaker 1: androgynous or even mask I like feel on any given day. Um,
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Speaker 1: And like I think I've been somewhat successful and that
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Speaker 1: and like I do think you know, Like as I said,
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Speaker 1: I think when we talk about beauty, like it's this
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Speaker 1: concept of investing in your body and the way you
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Speaker 1: present and so I try to focus on things that like,
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Speaker 1: like I really care about my skin and you know skin,
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Speaker 1: I think, like, of course, again it's like bodies are gendered,
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Speaker 1: like that's the way the world works. But I can
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Speaker 1: feel really good about my skin and like not really
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Speaker 1: worry about you know, if it's like if my skin
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Speaker 1: is like fish or whatever. Yes, exactly. And that's the
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Speaker 1: thing though, is like they always say beauty is in
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Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder, but it's actually beauty is
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Speaker 1: about selfhood and about how you carry what you're working
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Speaker 1: with and how you sell it and what makes you
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Speaker 1: feel confident. And I think that beauty as a personal
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Speaker 1: practice starts with figuring out just that, like what is
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Speaker 1: the thing that you know how to that you like
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Speaker 1: to manipulate, that you enjoy doing so that does that
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Speaker 1: make you feel you know, pressurized, competitive or over evaluated?
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Speaker 1: And if if your thing is like I'm gonna get
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Speaker 1: my skin right, or if another person is like I'm
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Speaker 1: going to dye my hair this way, or another person's
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Speaker 1: like I'm gonna wear a luke every single day, even
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Speaker 1: to just a coffee shop. You know, like everyone evaluates
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Speaker 1: their aesthetic. Everyone find you're finding joy in your aesthetic.
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Speaker 1: It's just like a simple pleasure of life. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I and like so much of beauty is just for you.
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Speaker 1: Like yesterday I was like, didn't leave my apartment yesterday,
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Speaker 1: but I had just got I had just gotten this
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Speaker 1: new highlighter and I like put it on in the
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Speaker 1: morning just because I wanted my cheeks to be shiny
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Speaker 1: all day, like just for me. And that's fine, you
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Speaker 1: know that. I think like we're in this place where
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Speaker 1: like as a culture, we've become so invested in the
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Speaker 1: idea of self care and that's like intrinsically linked to beauty,
17:57
Speaker 1: like and I guess it's it's like a problematic that
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Speaker 1: the idea that the best way to care for yourself
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Speaker 1: is like to do something that um cost money, that
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Speaker 1: that a cost money and also makes you more desirable,
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Speaker 1: and you know, like that the only end goal of
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Speaker 1: self care is to look more beautiful, um, which I
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Speaker 1: think like is and isn't true. But you know, like
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily always like get a facial, Like you know,
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Speaker 1: I got a facial two weeks ago, and it wasn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily so like I looked better. It was because I
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Speaker 1: wanted to feel better. I wanted to like spend an
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Speaker 1: hour where I couldn't look at my phone and someone
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Speaker 1: was just like massaging lotions and potions into my face
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Speaker 1: and that was really nice and like, yeah, byproduct of
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Speaker 1: that is like my skin looked better, and like, you know,
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Speaker 1: that's nice, but it was more about, you know, what
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Speaker 1: it did for me and how it made me feel
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Speaker 1: exactly and I and I and that's the thing, is
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Speaker 1: like finding your beauty practice is about, you know, extricating
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Speaker 1: it from funck ability or extricating it from like, you know,
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Speaker 1: exclusivity or belonging to a certain echelon of people, or
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Speaker 1: like money or material or any of those things. It's
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Speaker 1: about like selfhood and understanding. I don't know what makes
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Speaker 1: you happy and when it comes to aesthetics, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I think a lot about Andre Leon Tally
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Speaker 1: and like how unlike his ability to just identify beauty um,
19:33
Speaker 1: which was basically the body of his work, Like he
19:36
Speaker 1: was just such a true genius, but how he never
19:40
Speaker 1: saw beauty and fashion to be about labels. He knew
19:45
Speaker 1: it to be about style and about how you carried it.
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Speaker 1: And and I think that that was something that drew
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Speaker 1: everyone to him because he knew how to do it.
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Speaker 1: And he himself would constantly say that he's not beautiful,
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Speaker 1: Like he would always make self deprecating jokes about how
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Speaker 1: they don't they don't keep me here from my looks,
20:05
Speaker 1: they keep me here from my brains or whatever. But
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Speaker 1: that's just that is that someone can live a life
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Speaker 1: that is in and surrounded by and about beauty and
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Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with your fuck ability or
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Speaker 1: your class or your cloud. You know. Yeah, do you
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Speaker 1: have a beauty hack that you want to share with
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Speaker 1: the version? I have one? I feel, Yeah, you go first?
20:43
Speaker 1: Will you go first? Okay? So something I've been doing
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Speaker 1: recently that I think actually when when we were in
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Speaker 1: New York, I told you about this. Um, one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite things to do now, like on days when
20:55
Speaker 1: I don't wear makeup because I don't I don't wear
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Speaker 1: makeup that often. I still like to look a little
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Speaker 1: like lit and dewey. And so one of my favorite
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Speaker 1: tricks is using just like petroleum jelly or like vasiline
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Speaker 1: or whatever, and I just put it on like the
21:10
Speaker 1: high points of my cheek, on my lids, like under
21:14
Speaker 1: my brow and then you know, obviously on my lips
21:18
Speaker 1: because it's like the best lip bomb is just like
21:22
Speaker 1: vasoline or aquapher or whatever. That is a good hack.
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Speaker 1: I love a kind of bomb chapstick something on the
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Speaker 1: on the high points, and I love a multi purpose
21:34
Speaker 1: product that is just something that you can like get
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Speaker 1: at any like literally anywhere. You can get like you know,
21:42
Speaker 1: vasoline or petroleum jelly, literally anywhere, and it's you know,
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Speaker 1: cheap um, and everyone everyone wants to look dewey these days.
21:51
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to look glistening and moist and like like
21:55
Speaker 1: a glazed donut. That's that's so much the vibe where
21:58
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years ago, it was all
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Speaker 1: out looking like Matt and snatched and like, I love
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Speaker 1: looking like a glaze donut. Um, I honestly on your
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Speaker 1: glaze vibe. The first thing that came to mind was
22:08
Speaker 1: body oil. Um, I mean this. I think this is
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Speaker 1: true for everybody, but definitely true for like melonated skin
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Speaker 1: like you like I I love the vacation body oil
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Speaker 1: I think has the best smell and the best shine.
22:21
Speaker 1: The glass A body oil is also kind of fine.
22:23
Speaker 1: I think their products disappear too easily. But you know,
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Speaker 1: if you get yourself a cute little body oil, the
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Speaker 1: experience of putting it on is very luxurious and to
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Speaker 1: that extra couple of minutes to just smother yourself with
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Speaker 1: lotions and people are always like, oh you look so
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Speaker 1: you're like glowing, you know. Um, so I love that.
22:44
Speaker 1: I also will say, and this is like, I think
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Speaker 1: this is just a shout out to any beauty virgins
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Speaker 1: because it's so one a one to anybody who does
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Speaker 1: make up. But like, just curl your lashes. Curl your
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Speaker 1: daily lashes. That's another thing, like in addition to like
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Speaker 1: just like some vassoline or whatever. Like, even if you're
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Speaker 1: doing literally nothing else, just curling your lashes makes such
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Speaker 1: a difference. It makes you look more alert. It's like
23:12
Speaker 1: takes one second. It's it's such a huge difference. It's
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Speaker 1: something that I forget to do a lot. And I
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Speaker 1: also like I don't even when I have like a
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Speaker 1: lot of makeup on, which is still not a lot
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Speaker 1: of makeup. But for me is I hardly ever wear
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Speaker 1: a mascara because I just don't like it. Like I
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Speaker 1: have kind of watery eyes, so it always ends up
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Speaker 1: smearing um, even if I use waterproof. And like also
23:34
Speaker 1: I don't like wearing waterproof mascara. So just curling my
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Speaker 1: lashes like makes such a huge difference. Yeah, especially yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and I already have just beautiful lashes in general,
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Speaker 1: so it really makes a huge difference. Are you going
23:47
Speaker 1: to get lash extensions at some point I was, I was,
23:51
Speaker 1: but Ash kind of convinced me not too because her
23:53
Speaker 1: last experience with lash extensions was not so great. But
23:57
Speaker 1: like I I'm still thinking about it. I kind of
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Speaker 1: do want lash extensions, It's just they don't last very long. Yeah.
24:03
Speaker 1: I also, my lashes are naturally kind of long, but
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Speaker 1: they're like long and straight, so they almost like drooped
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Speaker 1: down a little bit. So length is never what I'm
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Speaker 1: looking for. It's always curl and lift. Yeah. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I just feel like people everyone should have a good
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Speaker 1: no makeup makeup routine, like everybody of any gender, like
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Speaker 1: you can if. I mean for me, it's like an
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Speaker 1: oar skin sealer. Okay, you know at the at the
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Speaker 1: points that you want it. However you want to highlight
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Speaker 1: your face, curl your lashes, get a little dewey brow gel.
24:40
Speaker 1: You've turned me onto brow gel is important for me.
24:44
Speaker 1: It's it's always about lips. To me, lips are beauty. Um.
24:51
Speaker 1: I have said this before. I think I don't leave
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Speaker 1: my apartment with less than two lip products. Ever, there's
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Speaker 1: always if I have a bag, there's at least two
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Speaker 1: lip products in it. I have a lip bomb in
25:07
Speaker 1: my car. It's just to me. It's like the one
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Speaker 1: thing I never want to do is have my lips
25:13
Speaker 1: look dry if slash when I do shave my mustache,
25:17
Speaker 1: I am going to get really on my lip game
25:20
Speaker 1: because there's so much more shaping that I can do
25:24
Speaker 1: um with a liner. But like I UM, I also
25:28
Speaker 1: just like I always want to have like a juicy
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Speaker 1: lip when I leave. I always want to have like
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Speaker 1: a little bit of blush. I don't always wear a
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Speaker 1: highlighter anymore, but like what I do actually love even
25:39
Speaker 1: if I'm just going out to even if I'm doing
25:42
Speaker 1: something super duper casual, I will say the one thing
25:45
Speaker 1: that I might do if I don't want to put
25:48
Speaker 1: on makeup is I'll take like a brown eyeliner and
25:52
Speaker 1: I'll like put a little edge at the corner of
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Speaker 1: my eye, like almost like a cat I and then
25:58
Speaker 1: maybe smudge it up top a little bit to create
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Speaker 1: this kind of just just to widen and open up
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Speaker 1: my eyes a little bit. And I feel like that
26:05
Speaker 1: is like so stupid, It sounds so stupid, and I
26:07
Speaker 1: got it from Silly Kravitz Beauty Secrets video. But like
26:11
Speaker 1: I just I feel so hot when I put it on,
26:15
Speaker 1: and I think that's again It's it's about embodiment and
26:17
Speaker 1: the hack that makes you feel embodied, like do it.
26:21
Speaker 1: One thing that's made me feel very beautiful recently and
26:24
Speaker 1: kind of something that I've really gotten into is perfume
26:28
Speaker 1: and sense. Like I was never a perfume girl. It
26:32
Speaker 1: was always the thing I forgot to do, was like
26:34
Speaker 1: give myself a little sprits. And now if I'm going
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Speaker 1: to like interact with socially with someone or even just
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Speaker 1: like go to the grocery store, I have to give
26:44
Speaker 1: myself a little sprits of something before I leave the house.
26:47
Speaker 1: My go two cents of the moment are I do
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Speaker 1: really love Glossier you um love, which is so like
26:55
Speaker 1: kind of muskie, a little like peppery um. It's a
26:58
Speaker 1: cult favorite for a reason. Avorite um, I love the UM.
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Speaker 1: I tried a bunch of different La Labo sense because
27:06
Speaker 1: I know everyone who's like such a fucking boner for
27:09
Speaker 1: La Labo, and none of the like really popular ones
27:13
Speaker 1: really worked for me. But the Bergamot scent, it's so good.
27:17
Speaker 1: It's so like fresh and citrusy and like honestly like
27:20
Speaker 1: almost a little like androgynous or like maybe a little
27:23
Speaker 1: more masculine. It's it's like not like sweet and floral,
27:27
Speaker 1: but it's so good. Which, by the way, whoever you
27:30
Speaker 1: are in the world, pick the subtle perfume, like, don't
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Speaker 1: pick the crazy like very strong, like multiple sense like
27:42
Speaker 1: like scent, you know what I mean. Like, I feel
27:44
Speaker 1: like we all have very specific pheromonal responses to certain sense.
27:49
Speaker 1: And I know some girls that just like really commit
27:51
Speaker 1: to the nastiest thing. I know I actually got when
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Speaker 1: I got the Bergama Labo perfume. I also bought the
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Speaker 1: jasmine one, and I bought small packages of each and
28:05
Speaker 1: I had smelled them in the store, but I hadn't
28:08
Speaker 1: smelled them on myself. And then when I make de
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Speaker 1: Garde jasmine on myself, it I thought I was going
28:15
Speaker 1: to vomit. It did not mix well with my body chemistry.
28:20
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I returned it, but yeah,
28:23
Speaker 1: it was it was awful. It was disgusting. But um, yeah,
28:28
Speaker 1: I love. I love. I think smelling good is the
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Speaker 1: height of luxury, like because I always notice it. It's
28:37
Speaker 1: my favorite compliment to give and to get, like if
28:41
Speaker 1: you give someone a hug or an air kiss, And
28:47
Speaker 1: I love to say to someone, I mean, if it's true,
28:49
Speaker 1: Like I love telling someone, oh my god, you smell
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Speaker 1: so good because it is the thing that I noticed
28:54
Speaker 1: more than anything. And also sent is tied to memory. Yeah, exactly,
29:00
Speaker 1: And I think that if you being memorable, and I like,
29:03
Speaker 1: I think that if you find a signature scent that
29:06
Speaker 1: is very you that no one else has because like
29:08
Speaker 1: don't get the like don't get Santale thirty three, you
29:11
Speaker 1: know what I don't. Yeah, it doesn't. And if it's
29:15
Speaker 1: that's the thing is like if you're just getting what
29:16
Speaker 1: everyone else is getting, like you smell like nobody. But
29:19
Speaker 1: I I love um A Dosan by Diptique. I also
29:24
Speaker 1: love glosses by dit Um. It's so soft and feminine
29:29
Speaker 1: and beautiful. It's a great white floral um moment. Sometimes
29:35
Speaker 1: I just love like putting coconut oil in my hair
29:39
Speaker 1: and like smelling like that. Or sometimes I love just
29:42
Speaker 1: the smell of you know, um, you know if I
29:45
Speaker 1: like burn some Polo santo and like it's kind of
29:47
Speaker 1: lingering on my clothes. Although that's I also love the
29:51
Speaker 1: Noo Botanics rooted oil that smells like Polo santo. I
29:54
Speaker 1: love that rooted oil. I love um, just putting on
29:58
Speaker 1: some everyday oil that has a real, beautiful, subtle scent
30:02
Speaker 1: to it. Honestly, really good deodorant sometimes can really do it.
30:06
Speaker 1: Like I have a really great Baxter deodorant that I
30:08
Speaker 1: get compliments on all the time. And I know that
30:10
Speaker 1: a lot of queers don't like wearing deodorant, but like
30:13
Speaker 1: I think, I think you should. I think you should.
30:17
Speaker 1: I think culturally we should all move on to deodorant,
30:21
Speaker 1: even if you even if it's your kink, it's not
30:23
Speaker 1: everybody's king. I'm there's some there, there are some I get.
30:28
Speaker 1: Some people really like their natural musk, and I like
30:30
Speaker 1: it too, Like I love if I'm hooking up with someone.
30:34
Speaker 1: I love sniffing a pit. I love licking a pit.
30:36
Speaker 1: But sitting next to someone at a restaurant and being
30:40
Speaker 1: able to smell them is not not good. This is
30:44
Speaker 1: kind of a stupid anecdote, But I was once invited.
30:46
Speaker 1: I had these very weird friends that had this like
30:49
Speaker 1: insane brown Stone in Brooklyn that they would have crazy
30:52
Speaker 1: events at all the time because they were all like
30:54
Speaker 1: mad scientists, like media makers, and they once I was
30:57
Speaker 1: once invited to a Pheromone party. We everyone but hosted
31:02
Speaker 1: by pheromone UM where everyone at the party. It was
31:06
Speaker 1: probably I don't know how many people were there, but
31:08
Speaker 1: like I don't know, maybe like a dozen or two people.
31:11
Speaker 1: Everyone had to bring an item of clothing, probably like
31:14
Speaker 1: a shirt that they had worn for at least a
31:17
Speaker 1: day or two, and they bring it and they're you know,
31:22
Speaker 1: itemized and made anonymous, and everyone would go around in
31:26
Speaker 1: a circle and smell each other's shirts and try to
31:30
Speaker 1: match with someone based on what pheromones they would respond
31:33
Speaker 1: to and and talk about what they what they smelled
31:36
Speaker 1: or what they liked about it or whatever. And it
31:38
Speaker 1: was and I didn't I wasn't there, but I had
31:40
Speaker 1: I heard fascinating things because some people would be like
31:44
Speaker 1: some people would smell the shouldn't be like this smells rancid, disgusting,
31:50
Speaker 1: I'm almost going to vomit. And with the same scent,
31:52
Speaker 1: other people would be like this is so hot and
31:56
Speaker 1: like I am immediately turned on, or like I love
32:00
Speaker 1: this scent, or like you know what I mean, like
32:03
Speaker 1: everyone it's it's really about pheromones. And yeah, I don't know,
32:06
Speaker 1: I'd be curious. Maybe we should have a pheromones party
32:09
Speaker 1: ross Maybe UM no, homo, but fran you are one
32:13
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful people I know, and I want
32:16
Speaker 1: it's just to end on a nice note. And I
32:19
Speaker 1: did want to tell you that Rose, you are one
32:22
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful people I know. Thank you for
32:24
Speaker 1: saying that You're welcome. I felt real when I said
32:30
Speaker 1: it's real when you said it. I'm really bad at
32:34
Speaker 1: sounding sincere. It's because my voice is naturally sarcastic. No,
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Speaker 1: it's just because I hate myself. That's why. Thank you
32:47
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