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Mega Edition: Zulema Pastenes And Her Testimony During The Lori Vallow Trial (9/15/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to take a look at what
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  Speaker 1: went down in the courtroom on day five of the
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow murder trial. And to do that once again,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be using the East Idaho News to guide us.
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  Speaker 1: And the author of this article is Nate Eaton. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Cox's widow, close friend of Lori Daybell, takes the
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  Speaker 1: stand in her murder trial. 8.27 a.m. Back in the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom and Lori is wearing a black jacket and white
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  Speaker 1: and cream colored pants with a pattern on them. Larry
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  Speaker 1: and Kay Woodcock are in the courtroom with family members.
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  Speaker 1: Annie Cushing is also here. Chandler Police Department Detective Nathan
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  Speaker 1: Duncan will be back on the stand this morning. 8.34 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday the defense had some questions about a PowerPoint exhibit
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  Speaker 1: the state wanted to admit into evidence. Defense says They
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  Speaker 1: have no objection to the presentation and the jurors are
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  Speaker 1: about to be brought into the courtroom. And we talked
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  Speaker 1: about that yesterday as well. You have to give the
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  Speaker 1: defense a little bit of time to take a look
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  Speaker 1: at what's going on, right? So they took a look
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  Speaker 1: at the PowerPoint and after looking at it, they're okay
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  Speaker 1: with it being submitted as evidence. 8.38 a.m. Lori just
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  Speaker 1: turned around, smiled and mouthed, hi, toward our direction. John Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: her attorney, has some family members here sitting in front
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  Speaker 1: of us So it's likely she was smiling at them. 8.40 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay Blake is questioning Detective Duncan.
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  Speaker 1: He is talking about cell data and information found in
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow's iCloud account. And we all know how damaging
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  Speaker 1: that stuff can be. Just take a look at what
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  Speaker 1: happened with Alec Murdoch. And take a look at Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger and all of those warrants that were drawn of
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  Speaker 1: a digital nature. 8.41 a.m. Duncan says in early 2020,
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  Speaker 1: Chandler was working with Idaho police to try and find
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  Speaker 1: JJ and Tylee. The PowerPoint exhibit will now be shown
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  Speaker 1: to the court. 8.43 a.m. First slide in the PowerPoint
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  Speaker 1: is an email sent from Charles' email account to Chad Daybell. 8.44 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan reads the email that purports to be from Charles,
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  Speaker 1: saying he is ready to work on a book with Chad.
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  Speaker 1: I am willing to pay you well to help me
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  Speaker 1: get this book into shape as a ghostwriter. I really
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  Speaker 1: liked your autobiography and the tone you took with sharing
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  Speaker 1: experiences without preaching. The email invites Chad to come visit
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  Speaker 1: him in Arizona. 8.46 a.m. This came from the email
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  Speaker 1: address kkwalker75 at yahoo.com. Duncan served a search warrant to Yahoo,
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  Speaker 1: and the name associated to the account was a Karen Walker.
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  Speaker 1: The IP came back to an area in Katy, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: The phone number and birthday associated with the account was
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  Speaker 1: linked to Lori Vallow. So she was playing all these
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  Speaker 1: games for a long time, trying to worm her way
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  Speaker 1: closer to Chad Daybell and all of his stupidity. 8.48 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan says there was no indication this email came from Charles.
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  Speaker 1: Charles discovered the email at the end of June 2018.
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  Speaker 1: and sent it to Adam Cox, Lori's brother. Charles then
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  Speaker 1: confronted Lori about the email. Duncan said Charles had no
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Daybell at all. And you see why they
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  Speaker 1: had to kill Charles Vallow. He was going to ruin everything, right?
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  Speaker 1: He was going to blow the whole entire thing right
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  Speaker 1: out of the water. And he was already telling people
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  Speaker 1: how batshit crazy all of these folks were. 8.49 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan now reading text messages Charles and Lori sent to
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  Speaker 1: each other. Charles sent Lori a text message confronting her
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  Speaker 1: about the affair with Chad and calls her evil. Says
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  Speaker 1: he will take JJ back to Texas. Just so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have Tammy's email address and I will send her
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  Speaker 1: a copy of my email you sent. Tammy will know
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  Speaker 1: what you're up to. You better explain. 8.50 a.m. Charles
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  Speaker 1: sent Lori multiple text messages saying she needed to explain
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  Speaker 1: herself or he was going to contact Tammy. He said
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  Speaker 1: he was going to talk to Tammy in person if
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  Speaker 1: he had to and told Lori her game was up.
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  Speaker 1: Charles said he had already contacted Tammy via text and phone,
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  Speaker 1: and Duncan says Charles sent two emails to Tammy, one
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  Speaker 1: to her personal address, and one to her work address. So,
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  Speaker 1: you see what they're doing here, right? What the prosecution's doing.
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  Speaker 1: They're setting it all up for motive. The motive is,
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  Speaker 1: besides the crazy cult stuff, that everybody was getting hip
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  Speaker 1: to their relationship, and they couldn't have that So Charles
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  Speaker 1: Vallow had to go, and so did Tammy Daybell. 8.52 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan now reading the email Charles sent to Tammy, saying
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  Speaker 1: he had disturbing evidence about her husband and his wife.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize to be the one sending this, but something
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  Speaker 1: has to be done. I feel it's best to shed
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  Speaker 1: some light on this issue. 8.53 a.m. Charles sent Tammy
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  Speaker 1: another email. Your husband and my wife are having an affair.
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  Speaker 1: It's devastating, I know. Duncan contacted the Sugar Salem School
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  Speaker 1: District and officials told Duncan there was no indication the
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  Speaker 1: emails were ever read, but they were sent from Charles' account.
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  Speaker 1: So Charles tried to warn Tammy as well that this
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  Speaker 1: was going on. And I wonder if Tammy would have
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  Speaker 1: been hip to it if she would have known if
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  Speaker 1: maybe she would still be alive today. 8.54 a.m. Duncan
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  Speaker 1: now reading an email he sent to Chad. I'm Lori's husband,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm sure you already knew this. Charles said he
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  Speaker 1: is not writing a book and will not be paying
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  Speaker 1: anyone for anything. Either you or Lori need to tell
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  Speaker 1: me what's going on or this will be exposed for
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  Speaker 1: all to see, he wrote to Chad. And does your
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  Speaker 1: wife know you have several of Lori's dance videos? Explain
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  Speaker 1: how that is. She sent them to you in January
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  Speaker 1: at your request. So she's sending him, you know, basically
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  Speaker 1: dance videos, nudes, whatever the hell it is she's sending him.
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  Speaker 1: And her husband, Charles Vallow, He stumbles upon all of this.
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  Speaker 1: So now they know that the jig is up. The
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  Speaker 1: only question is, how are they going to wiggle off
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  Speaker 1: the hook? 8.55 a.m. Duncan now reading another text message
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  Speaker 1: from Charles Delory. You accused me of infidelity, but it's
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  Speaker 1: you who has been having an affair. It keeps killing me,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe that's your goal. The fact you will continue
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  Speaker 1: to go to the temple after all you've done shocks me.
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  Speaker 1: There really is something wrong with you. You have to
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  Speaker 1: be exposed for what you really are. And he sent
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of emails pleading with Lori's family and everybody
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  Speaker 1: ignored him. Everybody ignored him. They thought he was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: But the reality is Charles Vallow knew exactly what he
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  Speaker 1: was talking about. 8.57 a.m. Charles to Lori. You have
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  Speaker 1: destroyed me. I have never been lower in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Please explain. We have a son to raise, but that's
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  Speaker 1: all we have in common. You owe me an apology
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  Speaker 1: for all the false accusations you've made. I've been entirely
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  Speaker 1: faithful to you since the first day we met. I
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  Speaker 1: deserve an apology from you. Please respect that much. This
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  Speaker 1: text was sent on June 30th, 2019. The apology she
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  Speaker 1: gave him was sending Alex Cox there to kill him. 8.58 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan says Lori was not always responsive to Charles' texts
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  Speaker 1: and emails. Duncan now reads messages from July 1st, 2019.
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  Speaker 1: Charles to Lori. I'm going to Idaho first to see
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell. Lori to Charles. She won't listen to you.
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  Speaker 1: She is my friend. Charles then asks why Lori sent
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  Speaker 1: a BS email about a book he wants ghostwritten. There
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  Speaker 1: is no reason for it other than to get him
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona and have an excuse for his wife. And
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  Speaker 1: that's 100% what the whole entire plan was. Unless you're stupid,
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  Speaker 1: you can see that for what it is. 9 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The messages were sent July 1, 2019. Charles was shot
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  Speaker 1: and killed on July 11, 2019. 9.01 a.m. Duncan reading
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  Speaker 1: messages between Charles and Adam sent before Charles was killed
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  Speaker 1: on July 11, 2019 between 7.35 a.m. and 7.37 a.m. 9.02 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan says the messages from Charles to Adam were sent
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  Speaker 1: from the address of where Charles was killed. 9.04 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asked to admit a document as evidence that shows
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  Speaker 1: data collected from Lori's iCloud and phone accounts. 9.10 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan now reading messages Lori sent to Alex in March
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  Speaker 1: 2019 talking about getting rid of Ned, the evil spirit
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  Speaker 1: zombie they said was inhabiting Charles' body. 9.11 a.m. Lori
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  Speaker 1: referred to the evil spirit in Charles' body as Ned
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  Speaker 1: or Garrett. 9.12 a.m. A woman named Nicole Earl texted
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  Speaker 1: Lori on October 19th saying that Chad's wife Tammy had died.
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  Speaker 1: Lori responded, oh my gosh, I did not hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole asked Lori what happened. Lori responded that Tammy awoke
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  Speaker 1: in the night coughing and then died. Melanie Gibbs sent
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  Speaker 1: Lori a message later the same day. I hear what
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  Speaker 1: happened to Chad's wife. Oh my gosh. Lori responded, hello, what?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's such a clown. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: else to call her. That's exactly what she is. She
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  Speaker 1: thought she was playing all of these people and she
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  Speaker 1: thought she was just real slick. But in the end,
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  Speaker 1: the bullshit caught up to her and there was nothing
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell or the Angel Maroney could do about it. 9.14 a.m. Duncan,
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  Speaker 1: now reading a text message from Lori to Colby Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: her eldest son, on November 22nd, 2019, about Tylee's Venmo account.
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  Speaker 1: I text Tylee to send it, but I haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: back yet. She will probably just do it before she
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  Speaker 1: tells me. Hope you got the Venmo. 9.16 a.m. Duncan
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  Speaker 1: talking about another email account, Lollitime. At iCloud.com, it is
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  Speaker 1: linked to two cell phone numbers belonging to Lori Vallow.
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  Speaker 1: This account contained messages between Lori Vallow and Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 1: Did they really think that people wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 1: track these emails back to them? Because, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: police or the FBI, they don't have the resources to
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  Speaker 1: do anything like that. 9.17 a.m. Lori sends Alex a
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  Speaker 1: message on July 9th, 2019. So, the plot thickens. Call
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  Speaker 1: me when you can. Lori texts Alex later, getting sleepy,
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  Speaker 1: going to need you to stay close. Lots to do.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for standing by me. It's all coming to
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  Speaker 1: a head this week. I will like Neffy, I am told,
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  Speaker 1: and so are you. 9.19 a.m. Duncan says there were
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  Speaker 1: several messages on Lori's phone that were not located in
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  Speaker 1: the iCloud, which is not uncommon. The texts were between
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  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad and occurred right before the murder of
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow. 9.20 a.m. Duncan reads text messages between Lori
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  Speaker 1: and Chad on July 18th, 2019. I just got a
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  Speaker 1: letter from the insurance company that I am not the beneficiary.
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  Speaker 1: It's a spear through my heart. Who do you think
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  Speaker 1: he changed it to? Brandon or possibly Kay? Chad responds, wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's terrible. There is no way to find out. These
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  Speaker 1: messages were exchanged seven days after Charles Vallow died. Imagine
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  Speaker 1: how cruel and cold you have to be. all you
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  Speaker 1: care about's the money, and then, which is laughable, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: and the slap in her face from Charles from Beyond
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  Speaker 1: the Grave, he changed the person who was his beneficiary,
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  Speaker 1: so Lori Vallow, she got un gots. 9.22 a.m. Duncan
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  Speaker 1: reads more messages from July 18th, 2019. Chad says, I
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  Speaker 1: love you. This is terrible, but it is probably another
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  Speaker 1: step in bringing down the Gideontans, especially Brandon. Lori responds
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  Speaker 1: later that night that she spoke to the insurance company
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  Speaker 1: and the beneficiary was changed in March. It was probably
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  Speaker 1: Ned before we got rid of him. They can't tell
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  Speaker 1: me to who, of course, but it's done. I'll still
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  Speaker 1: get the four thousand a month from Social Security. So
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  Speaker 1: she basically just admitted right here that they got rid
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  Speaker 1: of him until we got rid of him. Ned. So
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean? Did you kill him? See, remember,
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  Speaker 1: you have to look at this from a juror's point
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  Speaker 1: of view. What a juror is going to think. And
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  Speaker 1: if you were sitting on that jury and you just
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  Speaker 1: heard this, what the hell would you be thinking? 9.24 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Another message from Chad to Lori on July 26, 2019.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a grown-up version of Harry Potter who has to
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  Speaker 1: live with the Dudleys in his little space under the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: Every few weeks I get to escape and have amazing adventures.
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  Speaker 1: With the goddess my lover. But then I have to
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  Speaker 1: return to my place under the stairs. Feeling trapped. But
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  Speaker 1: I sense permanent freedom is coming. So that's what it
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  Speaker 1: was all about. Stash all the nonsense about the cult.
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  Speaker 1: Stash all the nonsense about everything else. When it comes
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  Speaker 1: down to it. It was somebody who wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: with somebody else. And they were willing to murder. Whoever
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  Speaker 1: got in the way of them doing that. And then
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  Speaker 1: they'd use this crazy ass. Nonsensical religious BS. As justification. 9.27 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: More text messages. Alex sent to Lori on September 3rd, 2019.
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  Speaker 1: Network name is Auntie Lamin. Password is TooManyKids. Lori responds, funny. 9.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asked to admit another exhibit as evidence. They are
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  Speaker 1: messages from Zaluma Pastine's phone and Charles Vallow's iCloud account. 9.32 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan reads messages from Lori to Zolima on May 29th, 2019. Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I found out there are four. One is a level
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  Speaker 1: four entity. His name is Hiplos. 935 AM. Hiplos was
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  Speaker 1: the spirit entity that inhabited Charles' body. Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. I thought that was Ned Schneider. Now we
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  Speaker 1: got another guy that shows up named Hiplos. And where
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  Speaker 1: did they come up with that name? On July 2nd, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: Zolema sent Lori a message saying she was giving instructions
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  Speaker 1: to rip, tear, or burn the auto of Hiplos to
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  Speaker 1: let the body energy out. Chad sent Zolema a message
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  Speaker 1: that day thanking her for her help with Hiplos saying
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  Speaker 1: Mother Earth is very grateful for what she and Lori
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  Speaker 1: are doing. And for those of you who are paying attention,
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  Speaker 1: none of it worked. None of their spirit chanting, none
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  Speaker 1: of their woods witching, none of that stuff worked out,
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  Speaker 1: did it? They're all sitting in jail now, aren't they? 9.37 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Duncan reads a chain of messages between Zulema and Lori
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  Speaker 1: on June 2, 2019. The messages range from 11.52 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: to 12.42 p.m. They're talking about being ready, sending fire,
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  Speaker 1: binding him with light. I'm feeling it big time. I
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  Speaker 1: feel him. Did he leave? I can't see him. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I was chasing him. Get him. Oh, I'm chasing.
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  Speaker 1: You are an amazing lady. I'm tired now, lol. Me too.
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  Speaker 1: I'll keep the fire going till he's gone. It's like
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  Speaker 1: they were all on this constant acid trip, but they weren't.
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  Speaker 1: This was the reality that they all believed in, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, all of your chanting, all of your
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  Speaker 1: carrying on, all of your projecting, all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You're doing nothing but wasting your time because none of
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  Speaker 1: it's real. There's no one named Hiplos. There's no one
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  Speaker 1: named Ned Schneider. And, breaking news, Chad Daybell is not
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  Speaker 1: a prophet. 9.39 a.m. Duncan, reading an email sent from
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  Speaker 1: a Karen Walker in April 2019 to Chad Daybell about
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  Speaker 1: having him come and speak to a youth group in Houston.
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  Speaker 1: The sender asked for Chad to come that month and
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  Speaker 1: share his stories at youth conference. The sender stresses the
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  Speaker 1: urgency of responding and coming to Houston. 9.42 a.m. Chad
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  Speaker 1: responds that he can come and he will talk with
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  Speaker 1: Karen later about the flight. Lori was living in Houston
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  Speaker 1: in April of 2019. Well, that shouldn't shock anybody. We
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  Speaker 1: know that they were making all kinds of maneuvers so
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  Speaker 1: that they could see each other and there was all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of fake emails and all of the rest of it.
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  Speaker 1: So Lori, trying to set it up so she could
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  Speaker 1: get her boy Chad Daybell to come visit her in
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  Speaker 1: Houston by making pretend to be a minister at some
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  Speaker 1: church in Houston, certainly fits the playbook that Lori Vallow
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  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell have been using throughout this whole thing. 9.43 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake has no further questions and John Thomas will now
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  Speaker 1: cross-examine Detective Duncan. All right, so I think we'll wrap
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  Speaker 1: it up here, folks. And what we'll do, instead of
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  Speaker 1: having the mammoth episode like we had in the morning yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: what I'm going to do is split this into three parts.
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  Speaker 1: That way, each part is roughly 20 minutes and a
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  Speaker 1: lot easier to consume. So that's going to do it
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  Speaker 1: for this one. All of the information that goes with
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  Speaker 1: the episode is in the description box, and we'll pick
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  Speaker 1: up with part two in our next episode. What's up
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  Speaker 1: everyone and welcome back to the program. In this episode
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  Speaker 1: we're going to pick up where we left off with
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  Speaker 1: the testimony in the Lori Vallow murder trial. This article
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  Speaker 1: that we're using was published by the East Idaho News
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  Speaker 1: and the author of this article is Nate Eaton. 9.51 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Madison County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Spencer Rommel says the next
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  Speaker 1: witness is Zulema Pastines, and the prosecution has recently learned
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  Speaker 1: of a criminal conviction in Arizona in the 1990s. Zulema
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  Speaker 1: is here with an attorney. Probably a good idea considering
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  Speaker 1: her role in hanging out with these people. Now, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying that she had anything to do with those
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  Speaker 1: children going missing, but come on, you didn't think that
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  Speaker 1: all of this was crazy? You're participating in some kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird-ass seance and chasing a spirit named Ned. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: probably a good idea for Zulema to have a lawyer. 9.54 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Zulema's charge is from 1998. and was for felony drug possession.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas argues it's not appropriate for Zulema's attorney to be
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  Speaker 1: here as he's not licensed in Idaho. The defense says
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  Speaker 1: it will not bring up Zulema's prior charge. 9.57 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecuting attorney Rachel Smith says Zulema's attorney is here more
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  Speaker 1: for aid and counsel. Smith says there is zero evidence
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  Speaker 1: that Zulema will take the fifth and her attorney is
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  Speaker 1: here out of an abundance of caution. Zulema was offered
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  Speaker 1: a limited-use immunity agreement signed four years ago with prosecutors. 9.58 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce says if her attorney is here as personal counsel
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  Speaker 1: in regards to matters in Arizona, it should be okay
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to have Zulema's attorney in the courtroom during her testimony.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Her attorney is Garrett Smith, who also represented Melanie and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Ian Polowski. 10 a.m. Court taking a 15-minute break. Might
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: as well keep it in the family, right? The lawyer
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: already knows you're a brand of crazy. You might as
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: well stick with him. 10.18 a.m. Zulema Pastines was married
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to Alex Cox for only two weeks before he died.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Here's the story I did about her police interview, what
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox revealed days before he died, and the unusual
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: message he gave his wife. Zulema was close friends with Lori,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, and others in their group. And we're going
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: to take a look at that article probably later on
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and add some more context because it's important. 10.25 a.m.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Jurors are being brought back into the courtroom. 10.28 a.m.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Zulema is called to the stand. She is wearing a
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: gray skirt with a matching suit coat and white high heels. 10.30 a.m.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Rachel Smith is questioning Zulema and she lives in Gilbert, Arizona.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Zulema says she met Lori in early fall 2018 at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibbs' house. Melanie was having a meeting at her
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: house and she invited Zulema to come and see Lori speak.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Imagine getting that invite and showing up and having this
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: batshit crazy weirdo get up there and start prancing around
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and talking about this one's a dark, that one's a light,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this guy's named Ned, this guy's named Hiplos. Talk about
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a surefire sign that you should leave. 10.32 a.m. Zelima
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and Melanie met at church and were in the same ward.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: When Zelima met Lori at Melanie's house, Lori testified that
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: angels had visited her, including the angel Moroni, and she
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: was a personal witness of Jesus Christ. Yeah, okay. Everything
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: is fine here, folks. There's nothing wrong, as the whole
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: entire house is on fire behind you. 10.33 a.m. Zulema
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: says when someone is getting visitations from heavenly beings, it
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: would mean this person has a very high spiritual standing,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: is very righteous, and spiritually above other people. Or maybe
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: they're just lying. You ever think of that, Zulema? 1034 AM.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Zulema says it was significant when Lori said she was
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a witness of Jesus Christ, because it means Lori would
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: have seen Jesus, and this would be the highest spiritual
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: experience a person could have. Lori said angels put names
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in the computer for her to take to the temple.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Zelima says she believed Lori. Oh, I'm sure she did.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: She was part of this whole entire thing as well.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: All of these people that are getting up there now
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and testifying against Lori Vallow and probably against Chad Daybell. Remember,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: they were all part of that same group. They were
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: all the people who were sitting around having seances and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell else these LARPers were up to. 10.35 a.m.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Zulema got Lori's phone number, and they took a trip
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to St. George, Utah for a conference. Look, I don't
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: live far from St. George, Utah, and there's not much
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: going on in St. George, Utah. I guess the perfect
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: place for these dipshits to have themselves a conference, though. 10.36 a.m.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Zulema says during the trip to St. George, they sat
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: next to each other in the car, and their friendship developed.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: The conference was for preparing a people. a conference to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: teach you how to be better prepared for anything that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: may happen, disasters, etc., as well as preparing for the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: second coming of Jesus Christ. I'm not on me already
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: with this second coming. You want a second coming? I'll
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: leave the room, then I'll come back in, and you'll
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: have your second coming. Besides that, shut up already! 10.38 a.m.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Zulima had met Chad Daybell at a prior conference, and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: she saw him again at the St. George event. Zalima
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: does not think Lori knew Chad before the conference. 10.38 a.m.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Zalima says Lori spent a lot of time with Chad's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: table during the conference. They were talking with each other,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and Lori was very flirtatious, giggly, and putting the moves
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: on him. Aw, how cute. Lori making her move for
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: her prophet beau. 10.40 a.m. Lori said she was going
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to stay at Chad's table until she sold all of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: his books for him. She stayed at the table a lot.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Zulema said at the end of the conference, they helped
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Chad pack up his table, and he only had one
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: box of books left. They loaded up his car, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: then Chad left. 10.41 a.m. Lori drove their car back
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: with Melanie Gibb and Zulema in the back seat. Lori
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was asking the women to look up scriptures about James
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the Less. Chad had told Lori in a previous life
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they had been married to each other, and he had
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: been James the Less. She was his wife, Elena. I
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: remember this one from being younger and going to strip clubs.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I'm a doctor. I'm this, that,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the other thing. But this is taking it to a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: whole nother level, huh? Saying that he's James the Lesser?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: More like Chad the Dumber. 1043 AM. Lori and Zulema
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and Melanie look up scriptures in the Doctrine and Covenants
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: about the 144,000 people who will usher in the return
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of Jesus. In court, Lori is attentively listening as Zulema testifies. Well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want her to blaspheme, right? Lori Vallow, a.k.a.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Melisandre over here, the woods witch, is making sure she
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to dance in front of the mirror later
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to call a spell down on Zulema. 10.45 a.m. Smith
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: asks if the photos were taken at the conference. Zulema
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: says yes. Smith to admit three exhibits as evidence. 10.46 a.m.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: The exhibits are photos, two taken at the Preparing People
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Conference in St. George and one taken at a conference
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in Boise. 10.48 a.m. The first photo shows Zulema with
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: an author, Melanie Gibb, and two other women at the conference. 10.51 a.m.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: The next photo shows Chad Daybell with Zulema, Melanie Gibb, Lori,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and another woman at the conference. 10.52 a.m. After the St.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: George Conference, Zulema says she saw Lori at a Preparing
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a People conference in Mesa, Arizona. Chad Daybell was there
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: with his table. Lori had been ghosting Zulema, so they
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: had not spoken in a while. Zulema went to chat
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: with Chad and Lori approached, very sweet, and invited her
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to come to her house for a small gathering after
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the conference. 10.55 a.m. Lori told Zulema she asked Chad
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to go somewhere so people could stay at her house
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: during the conference. 10.56 a.m. Zulema wasn't going to go
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to Lori's house, but Chad said he really wanted her
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: to go because Chad wanted to give Zulema a blessing. Oh, well,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that would have really changed my mind. You know, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to go. Instead, I was going to go
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: meet up with my other friends and we were going
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to go play some craps. But since you want to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: give me a blessing, let me stick around real quick.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Go get the holy water. 10.57 a.m. Zalima says a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: blessing is given by someone who holds the priesthood and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: they receive inspiration, words of comfort or encouragement and convey
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: those words to the person receiving the blessing. Well, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: want you all to know that I'm the Pope of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the inflamed foot. And if anybody needs a blessing, shoot
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: me an email. I mean, is that any more ridiculous
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: than what Chad Daybell and the dumbbell brigade were up to? 10.58 a.m.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Zulema ended up going to Lori's house. Some other women
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: were there, along with Chad and Alex Cox, Lori's brother. 10.59 a.m.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Everyone was visiting with each other at the house, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: then Lori, Chad, and Zulema went outside to the backyard.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Lori was playing basketball, and Chad asked to play with her.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Zulema says she felt like a third wheel. Lori was
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: being flirtatious with Chad, and it made Zulema uncomfortable. Chad
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: said he was going to go inside with Zulema, and
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Lori said something like, Why? Are you scared of me?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So they stayed outside a little longer. Yeah, I'm scared
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of you. You're batshit crazy, lady. What are you talking about? 11.01 a.m.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Chad ended up giving Zulema a blessing. During the blessing,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: he told her she was a very special person, she
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: was going to do some amazing things in the future,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and he was grateful to know her. The blessing was
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: full of a lot of praise. Lori was present, for
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the blessing. Well, she's doing one great thing, and that's
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: getting on the stand and airing both of you out. 11.03 a.m.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: After the conference, Melanie continued to see Melanie Gibb at church.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Zulema says she used to visit Melanie Gibb a lot,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and there was a meeting with Chad, Lori, and Zulema
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: at Melanie's house. Chad came to record a podcast with
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Lori and Melanie. 11.04 a.m. During his visit, Chad said
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: he wanted Zulema to meet him, Lori, and Melanie Gibb
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for lunch at Firebirds in Gilbert. Chad told Zulema he
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: had information to give her about her prior lives and probations. 11.06 a.m.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Chad was trying to give Zulema the information, but she
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: says Chad and Lori did not want Melanie to hear
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: what was going to say. Later, Chad called Zulema to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: tell her about her prior lives. He said there was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a way he rated people on the light and dark scale.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: He gave Zulema a light rating and said she had
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: other lives on Earth with the times and who she
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: was in prior lives. 11.08 a.m. Zulema says her thoughts
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: are jumbled and has taken several drinks of water. She
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: has also wiped her eyes with a tissue and is
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: sitting in silence. 11.09 a.m. Zulema says in previous probations,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Chad told her she was Lori's daughter. Zulema was raped
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and killed at the age of 14. Her body was
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: dismembered by the lamina. and she was killed at the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: same time Lori was killed when Lori was her mother.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about LARPing and making shit up?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what this dude's doing. 1110 AM. Lori later
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: invited Zulema to go to lunch at Firebirds. When they
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: met Lori, they made a diagram explaining... how many worlds
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: there are, how many probations one person has, and how
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: people are either light or dark. 1112 AM. Zulema doesn't
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: recall how Lori explained where she got the information, but
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Zulema assumes it came from Chad because he was the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: one who had given Zulema her light-dark scale rating. Of
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: course it came from Chad. He was the one who
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: made this whole entire thing up, and Lori just went
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: along with it Kind of like Ghislaine Maxwell going along
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein. So I don't want to hear anything about, oh,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: she had no idea what was up. She didn't only
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: know what was up. She was involved in creating this
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: bullshit story. 11.13 a.m. Zalima says her light level was 4.2.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: A very high number on the chart. Lori's number was 4.3.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Got to be a little bit better. We want to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: entice Zalima here, but I'm going to be a little
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: bit better. 11.14 a.m. During their lunch, Lori told Zulema
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that Charles was possessed by a dark spirit named Garrett.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: She said Charles was acting different, more organized than he
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: was before. He was a completely different person, and he
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: looked shorter than he was before. Yeah, that's what happened.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: The demon came in and chopped a few inches off
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: his height. 11.15 a.m. This conversation at Firebirds took place
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: in February 2019. Zulema kept a receipt from that lunch
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: because that's where Lori drew the diagram. Zulema eventually turned
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the receipt, and it will be admitted into evidence a
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: bit later. 11.17 a.m. Zulema said that while they were
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: preparing a people conference, Lori said she and Charles were
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: having financial difficulties. Lori said she had been the beneficiary
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of Joseph Ryan's $ 60, 000 life insurance policy before he died. Huh,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: might want to take another look at that one too. 11.18 a.m.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Zulema asks to take a second. She pours herself some water,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: wipes her nose and eyes with tissues. 11.20 a.m. Zulema
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: says Lori told her she had slept with Charles twice,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: not knowing he was possessed. Lori later told Zulema that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: toward the end of March, Lori wanted a group of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: women to meet so Lori could show them and teach
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: them some things. Oh, I bet she did. 1121 a.m.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: The women met at Zulema's house at the end of March. Nicole, Christina, Serena, Melanie, Gib, Lori,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and Zulema were there. Lori had a whiteboard and drew
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the same diagram she had at the restaurant. Lori taught
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: about multiple probations and the light-dark scale. Lori gave Zulema
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a sticky note with her prior lives and all the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: other women received theirs too. Lori told the women they
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: needed to cast out the demon from Charles and said
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: they needed to do a casting on him. Funny how
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: there's not very many men involved here, huh? What happened?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: There's no male witches or whatever the fuck they're called?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Warlocks or whatever? Or could it be that Chad Daybell
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: was not only into Lori but trying to put together
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: some kind of harem? 11.24 a.m. Zulema says the women
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: needed to hold hands and Lori assigned roles in the casting.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Each woman were given tools and roles in the casting.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Lori asked Zulema to use fire. Each person said their
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: part and when Lori would finish it by doing a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: sealing of the casting. Now I don't know what religion
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: she's talking about but this seems to me like a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: coven of witches not some kind of Christian type of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: right to get rid of spirits? Wouldn't that be an exorcism?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: 1127 AM. The casting was to get rid of Garrett,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the evil spirit that was possessing Charles. Zulema remembers back
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to the original lunch at Firebirds when Laurie told her
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: she and Charles had been arguing. Laurie said she and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Charles separated in March and she took away Charles' pickup, keys,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and all of his stuff. 11.29 a.m. Zulema said Melanie
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Gibb and the other ladies in the group knew Lori
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and Charles were separated. Lori told everyone she had been
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: in Hawaii and not living in the house with Charles. 11.30 a.m.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Zulema said that all the women believed what they were
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: doing had value. Lori was very convincing and has a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: charming way of expressing things that are believing. Lori had
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: expressed before that she had been visited by heavenly beings.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: If someone is telling the truth about that, I wouldn't
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: be questioning them. And I would believe they are telling
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the truth because I would never think that someone would
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: lie about something as sacred as that. She can't really
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: believe that, right? People are out here lying all the time,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: swearing on this, swearing on that. Did she really think
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that Lori, of all people, was visited by Jesus Christ?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And what would make you believe that? Of all the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: people who are on Earth who believe in the same
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: faith as you, God chose Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to bring this message. That's what you want the rest
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of us to believe? 11.32 a.m. Smith asks to admit
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: two photos into evidence that were taken the night of
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the castings. 11.34 a.m. First photo shows Zulema with Melanie
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Gibb and Serena Sharp. 11.34 a.m. Second photo shows Zulema
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: with Melanie Gibb and Serena Sharp standing like warriors with
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: their hands out and their fingers shaped like guns. This
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: was the first time Zulema had ever done a casting.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: So you do a casting with your fingers shaped like guns?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: God had guns? That's interesting. I never knew that there
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: were guns back in the day of Jesus Christ. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: here we are. 1135 a.m. Zalima says at the end
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: of the casting, Laurie called Chad to verify if it worked.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Cherry told Laurie it worked. But then later, Laurie said
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: that Chad said even though the demon had been cast out,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: another more powerful and skillful demon named Ned came into Charles.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Imagine this shit. Oh, you guys had a good casting here.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: You got rid of the other demon, but you see
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: what had happened was, when you weren't paying attention, this
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: other guy here named Ned, he backdoor jaw, and he
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: came through that backdoor, and before you know it, he
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: was right back into Charles' body. 11.38 a.m. Zulema was
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: told another casting was needed to be done to get
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: rid of Ned. This was done at Zulema's house again. Nicole, Serena,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb, Alex Cox, and Lori were all there. Lori
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and Chad originally said Alex was first creation, meaning it
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: was his first time on Earth, and he wasn't as
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: spiritual as other people, so certain things could not be
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: discussed in front of him. 1139 AM Then Chad and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Lori said Alex had been exalted in other creations and
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: had been on other Earths multiple times. Because of this,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: he was now a powerful spiritual being. Zulema says Alex
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: believed this and was very excited to find out who
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: he was. Yeah, real, powerful, spiritual being. That's exactly what
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox was. Said nobody ever. You grimy ass, dirty ass,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: filthy ass murderer. 1141 AM. During the second casting, everyone
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: had a different part. Smith asked Zulema what Alex's part was.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: She takes a minute to think. and then says she
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: believes Alex was a warrior, but she doesn't exactly remember
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: who he was. Lori assigned everyone roles. 11.42 a.m. After
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the casting, Lori called Chad and was very confident that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: it had worked. Lori had told the group they needed
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to fast like Jesus did, and they could not eat
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: until after the casting. 11.43 a.m. Lori is looking at
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Zulema as she testifies and doesn't show much emotion. Zulema
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: says if someone is dark, a demon, they are considered dangerous.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Alex believed this more than anyone else, Zulema said. And
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: didn't Zulema end up marrying Alex for a couple of
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: weeks at least? Oh yeah, that's right. 10.45am. Lori said
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Ned had been removed, but now a more powerful demon
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: had possessed Charles, and this time it was a demon
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: expert named Hiplos that had done the same things for
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: hundreds of years. 11.46 a.m. Lori moved to Texas, but
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: she asked Zulema and the other women to be on
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a conference call for another casting so Hiplos could be
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: removed from Charles. Christina, Nicole, Melanie Gibb, Melanie Boudreau, Lori,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and Zulema participated in the casting. Zulema says several castings
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: were done on Charles during this time. 11.48 a.m. Lori
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: said this was a powerful demon and the castings were
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: not working. Lori said Charles moved to Texas because there
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: were doctors to help people who were possessed by demons,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and they could help keep the bodies alive. Alex was
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: aware of all of this, Zulema says. 11.49 a.m. Zulema
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: asked Lori why she moved to Texas with Charles after
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the problems she had with him. Lori said she needed
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to go so she could get her finances straight. 11.50 a.m.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Lori always told Zulema she had a connection with the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: number 7-11. Lori mentioned it all the time and said
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: she had a spiritual connection with the number. Lori told
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Zulema it was 7-11 when Charles died, so his death
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: was all orchestrated by God and Hiplos had been delivered
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to her and Alex. No, you know what you get
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: delivered from 7-11, Lori? A Slurpee, okay? You made this
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: all up and used it as a cover story to
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: continue with your bullshit. 11.52 a.m. Lori told Zulema that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: on the day Charles died, he came from out of
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: town to pick up JJ for school. While he was
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: putting JJ in the car, Lori took Charles' phone, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: he came back for it, but she would not give
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it to him. They started arguing about the phone. Alex
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: was there, and he got involved in the fight, as
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Alex was trying to protect his sister. Tylee came into
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the middle of the fight with a baseball bat, telling
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Charles to leave, and Charles took the bat away from Tylee.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Charles then hit Alex on the back of the head
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: with the bat. Charles and Alex wrestled, and Alex got
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: his gun, and he shot Charles, all according to what
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Lori told Zulema. 1155 AM. Lori told Zulema certain things
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: needed to happen before the second coming, and she needed
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to cleanse the earth of evil spirits. She was taking
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: steps to usher in the second coming, and Charles' death
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: was one of those steps. It was part of the prophecy.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Remember that episode we did recently? That's all part of it, right?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: If he wasn't taken out, they couldn't go on with
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: their quote-unquote prophecy. What that really means is they couldn't
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: go on with the grift. 11.57 a.m. Lori told Zulema
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that Chad told her that Lori needed to move to Rexburg,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Idaho because it was going to be a refuge as
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: other countries were going to invade the United States. Chad
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: said soldiers and warriors would defend Rexburg and the area
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: had been prepared for as a place of safety. 12 noon,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: lunch break. And that's where we're going to cut it
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: off for here, and we'll pick it back up with
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: part three, and finish it off with the afternoon portion
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: of the testimony. All of the information that goes with
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In today's episode,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: we're going to get right back to the testimony from
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Zulema and see what happened during the afternoon session, during
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: court proceedings yesterday, Friday, April 14th. And once again, we'll
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: be using the East Idaho News. And the author of
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: this article, once again, is Nate Eaton. 12.51 p.m. Back
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: from lunch. 12.55 p.m. Zulema says one day Lori told
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: her she was moving to Rexburg because part of her
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: mission needed to be done in Idaho. Alex and Lori,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: along with JJ and Tylee, moved into the same apartment complex.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Lori told Zulema she was receiving Social Security benefits from
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the death of Tylee's dad and JJ was receiving Social
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Security from Charles dying. Lori said because she had been
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: married for over 10 years to Charles, she was also
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: receiving Social Security. The total amount was around $ 6, 000 a month,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: so she said she didn't need to work. And we
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: know that Lori Vallow, besides being a hairdresser, never worked.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: That really wasn't her shtick, right? Her shtick was finding
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: somebody to marry, so she didn't have to work. 12.58 p.m.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Zulima went and stayed with Alex in Rexburg in September.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Zulima never saw Tylee and asked Lori where Tylee was.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: She had to be freed, Lori told Zulema. Zulema asked
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: what she meant by that, and Lori lifted her hand,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: put it up to Zulema's face, and said, don't ask. Now,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: what would your reaction be if one of your friends
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: said that to you about their kids? You hadn't seen
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the kids, you're there visiting, and you say to them, yo,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: what's up, where's so-and-so? And they're like, well, you know what,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: she had to be freed. I don't think I'd just
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: be like shrugging my shoulders and acting like everything's cool.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'd want to know where the kid is. And with
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: that kind of talk, if I didn't see the kid
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: on my trip, I'd call the authorities. 1 p.m. Before
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Lori moved to Rexburg, Lori told her a few times
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that Tylee had been possessed by a demon named Hillary.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Lori said a few times that JJ was being attacked
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: by demons. Oh yeah, he was being attacked by demons,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: all right. Demons named Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell, and Alex Cox. 1.01 p.m.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: JJ had a service dog named Bailey. Lori said the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: evil spirits attacking JJ were going into the dog because
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: it was easier to get into him. So Lori sold
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the dog after Charles died. So this kid loses his
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: dad and then on top of it, his mom sells
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: his dog. What an absolute piece of shit this woman is.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And I certainly won't be shy saying it. 1.02 p.m.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Zulema says JJ was in Rexburg when she visited. and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: was playing outside with his friends. JJ came inside to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: ask for a popsicle and a snack. Lori brought him
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: in around 7 p.m. and started getting him ready for bed.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Lori told Zulema she had hired a babysitter nanny to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: help care for JJ and bought a subscription to a
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: bounce house type business for JJ's entertainment. 1.04 p.m. Tammy
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: was still alive during Zulema's visit in Rexburg. Zulema said
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Chad asked her to lie and sent him a text
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: asking him to come and speak at an event. Zulema
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: says Chad wanted an excuse to be with Lori. Zulema
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: sent the text and Chad came over. She says Lori
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and Chad were aggressively trying to convince Zulema to move
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to Rexburg. I'm telling you, I have a sneaking suspicion
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that this Chad Daybell dude had designs on his own harem.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I know I said that in the episode previously, but
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: this dude certainly strikes me as the sister-wife's type of MF-er. 1.05 p.m.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Zulima had a job and family in Arizona, so she
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: couldn't move. Lori told her not to worry about that
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: because Melanie Boudreau has enough money for all of them.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: 107 p.m. Melanie Boudreau had recently received a large divorce settlement.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Zulima said, that's Melanie's money, not hers. Zulima said she
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: asked Melanie about what Lori said, and Melanie responded, she
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: was sad that people would say that about her money.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: You see the common theme here with Lori Vallow? It's
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: always about the money, right? Money here, money there, money everywhere.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to work. Well, that's a pattern she
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: would follow her whole entire life. 108 p.m. Chad gave
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Zulema a blessing and said that the Savior was standing
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: right next to him. Chad said the Savior was telling
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: her that all her sins were forgiven and it was
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: time for her to leave Babylon and move to Rexburg. Lori, Chad,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: and Alex and Zulema were present for the blessing. 109 p.m.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Alex also received a blessing from Lori and Chad that day.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Chad told him the Savior was standing next to him,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: giving him the words to say. Alex was told all
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: his sins were forgiven, and he started to sob. 1.10 p.m.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Zulema says Chad gave her a separate blessing in August
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: of 2019 in Lori's Arizona house. He told Zulema that
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: she needed to go to Rexburg and will be getting
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: married to someone. 1.11 p.m. Chad and Lori... taught that
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a man and a woman should always be together because
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: they are stronger than being separate. If they are together,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: they can have the priesthood together. Once Alex and Zulema
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: started to date, Lori and Chad pushed them to get married. 1.12 PM.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Before Alex moved to Rexburg, Zulema and Alex went to
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: dinner to get to know each other. They watched movies,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: got to know each other, and had fun talking. 1.13 PM.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Alex returned to Arizona from Rexburg on Halloween, and Alex
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: stayed at Zulema's house with Melanie P. Melanie stayed in
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Zulema's bedroom. Zulema and Alex stayed up all night, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it was the first time they kissed and held hands.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: They ended up getting engaged on Zulema's next trip to
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Rexburg on November 7th. 1.15 p.m. JJ and Tylee were
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: not in Rexburg on November 7th. Zulema said during that
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Idaho visit, she and Alex did not know where Chad
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and Lori were, but they ended up getting photos from
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori In Hawaii. 1.17 p.m. Zulema remembers hearing
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell had been shot at on October 9th. Melanie,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: unsure which one, called Zulema 10 days later and said
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Tammy had died. Zulema says she was confused and didn't
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: know what to think. 1.20 p.m. Before Tammy died, Lori
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: told Zulema that Tammy had been possessed by a demon
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and Lori needed Zulema's help casting the evil spirit out
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: of her. The demon was named Viola. And you notice
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: a trend here, right? Every person who gets one of
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: these quote-unquote castings ends up dying. 1.21 p.m. On the
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: night Tammy was shot at, Melanie B., Lori, and Zulema
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: were at the casting. Lori said she received some new
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: information on the casting. They were going to be using
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the Cosmos, and Lori kept telling Zulema how awesome she was.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Lori then got a call, and Zulema said Lori was very...
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: very angry. Scary angry. Lori was using the terms such
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: as idiot and moron, and she was very angry with
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: whoever was on the phone. Lori then said to Zulema,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: idiot can't do anything right by himself. She was obviously
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: talking about Alex Cox and the fact that he wasn't
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: able to shoot Tammy Daybell. 1.23 p.m. Lori told Zulema
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: that Lori and Chad had received instructions from angels about
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: how to cast demons out. That is the reason that
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Tammy died and Lori said she and Chad were going
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: to settle down in Rexburg, Zion, a place of refuge.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad then suddenly said they were going to
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else. So Rexburg, Idaho, that's Zion? That's the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: paradise that everybody was promised? Boy, we were all sold
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: a shitty bill of goods If it's Rexburg, Idaho. 1.25 p.m.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Lori said the day after Tammy's funeral, Chad was going
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: to move into her apartment. Zulema said that seemed a
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: little too fast and shouldn't there be time for grieving?
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Lori didn't respond to that. No, there's no time for
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: grieving because this was always the plan. They had this
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: plan in motion. Tammy had to go. Charles had to go.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: And the kids had to go. 1.26 p.m. Zulema says
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: after Chad and Lori got married, They had a layover
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix, so Zulema met them to have dinner. She
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: asked Lori where JJ was, if they were in Hawaii.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Lori said JJ was with Kay. 1.27 p.m. Alex and
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Zulema married in Las Vegas on December 1st. Of course
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: they did. Why not come to Vegas to have yourself
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: a shotgun wedding? 1.28 p.m. Melanie Gibb called Zulema around
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: this time and was very upset, very emotional. Melanie said
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: she felt she had been deceived by Chad and Lori
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: and they were asking her to lie for them. Melanie
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: felt they were doing something wrong. 1.28 p.m. Zulema said
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: her reaction to Melanie's call was utter confusion. To hear
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: my friend saying all of this happening and at the
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: same time knowing how much trust I put in these
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: two people, it was very, very confusing and I was
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: very distraught. 1.29 p.m. Zulema went to Alex and said,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: How can Kay be looking for JJ when JJ is
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: supposed to be with her? Alex responded, I know. But
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: he didn't answer her otherwise. Yeah, that's because Alex knew
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the deal. That's because Alex Cox played a role, probably
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: was the one who actually did it, in killing those children. 1.31 p.m.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Zulema didn't know police were looking for JJ and Tylee
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: until after Alex died. Alex passed away on December 12, 2019. 1.31 p.m.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: On December 11th, Alex was on the phone with Chad
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: and Lori. Zulema walked in the room and Chad and
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Lori told Alex that Tammy's body was being exhumed. Zulema
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: was very confused about why they would be exhuming Tammy's body.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Zulema asked why this would be happening if she died
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: of natural causes. 1.33 p.m. Zulema asked Alex if he
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: had anything to do with Tammy's death. He wouldn't answer.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: She began pressuring him for information. and said things were
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: very weird. She kept asking, where are Lori and Chad?
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Alex eventually responded, I think I'm being their fall guy.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Zulima said, fall guy for what? What have you done
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that you would be the fall guy for? Zulima said
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: she was very frustrated because Alex wouldn't say much. He
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: eventually said, either I am a man or God, or
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I am not. Alex died the next day. So it's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: my suspicion that Alex killed himself somehow. And usually I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even entertain something like that. But these people are zealots.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: And if Alex felt like he was going to get
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: busted or bring down the rest of the operation, considering
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: everything else he has done for these people, do you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: think it's that out of the box that he would
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: kill himself on the order of Chad and Lori with
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the promise of paradise as his payoff? Now, obviously, I
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: can't prove that, but that's the assumption that I'm working
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: under because it's way too coincidental that the day after
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: they exhumed the body, this dude happens to die. 1.37 p.m.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Rachel Smith asked to admit Zulema's journal, or portions of it,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: as evidence. 1.40 p.m. The first page shown from the
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: journal is a diagram showing multiple creations and worlds that
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: one person can come to. Zulema says Lori taught her this.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: There are five worlds on this page, each with a
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Satan and a Savior. The fifth world is the lowest
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and darkest world. Sounds like something from Star Trek. 1.41 p.m.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: On the other side of the page is a circle
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: showing limbo, a place where spirits go. If a person dies,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: there is a two-minute window where a demon can take
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: over the body and inhabit it, Zulema says. The original
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: spirit goes into limbo, waiting for the body to be
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: placed to rest. So basically, stealing purgatory from Catholics too?
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: What this guy did was he used Mormonism LDS practices
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: as the basis of his bullshit. And then from there,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: stole a little bit from other religions, other sects, pieced
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: it all together, and then served it up to these
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: morons piping hot. 1.42 p.m. Zulema says Alex Cox absolutely
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: believed this. Chad claimed the creations that he had been
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: the brother of Heavenly Father and Jesus, and in another creation,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Chad had been the Holy Ghost. So what you mean
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: to tell me is that Chad Daybell's pronouns were Holy Ghosts?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're trying to tell me? More like
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: dumb fuck. 1.43 p.m. Chad said he and Lori had
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: already been married seven times on this earth. They were
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: also married and exalted in other worlds together. Alex believed
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: all of this, Zulema says. 1.44 p.m. The next page
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: shows the light and dark rating scale. There are light
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: levels and dark from one to six on both the
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: light and the dark sides. Zulema was a 4.2 light.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Lori was a 4.3 light. And again, with Alex being
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: so zealous, do you really think that suicide would be
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: too far of a step for somebody like that? I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: certainly do not. 1.46 p.m. Another page of the journal says,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: cast out, get rid of them. Smith asked if Zulema
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: had to destroy the body once an evil spirit was
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: cast out of it. Zulema says that Lori and Chad
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: taught every time a demon passed out, The two-minute window
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: leaves an opening for another one to come in. To
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: prevent another demon from coming in, you need to do
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: certain things like using water and fire to destroy the body.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to laugh, folks, but this is so
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: goddamn stupid that I don't know what else to say.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: How does a grown-ass adult believe any of this stuff? 1.48 p.m.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Zulema says one way to prevent another evil spirit from
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: entering is by binding the body. Another way is using fire. Remember,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: JJ's body was bound with duct tape and Tylee's body
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: was burned. So you see what the prosecution is doing here, right?
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: They're laying it all out for you. And nice, big,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: healthy bites. 1.49 p.m. Zalima describes another document that shows
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the ratings for all of Lori's family members. Lori apparently
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: asked Chad to give her family members these ratings. 1.52 p.m.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Zalima says Chad showed her the rating chart at a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: meeting in early August of 2019. 1.53 p.m. On the chart,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Tylee's rating was 4.1 dark. Charles Vallow's rating was 3 light.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Melanie B's rating was 3 light. Brandon's was 3 dark.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And you notice everybody who was dark once again was
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: either murdered or they attempted to murder them. 1.57 p.m.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Smith asked to admit three photos. The first photo shows
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Zulema sitting with a group of women in a row
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: at a conference. The second photo shows Chad with four women,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: including Melanie Gibb and Zulema. The last photo shows another
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  Speaker 1: group of the women at the conference. 2.01 p.m. Smith
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  Speaker 1: asks Zulema if she remembers chatting with Chad at the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Preparing a People conference in Boise. She remembers. They stayed
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: at the same hotel. The conference happened before Charles died. 2.03 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: At the conference, Zulema spoke with Chad about how Lori
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  Speaker 1: wasn't able to make it. She canceled her trip at
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: the last minute. Chad told Zulema that Lori wasn't there
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: so she could be protected and the person who was
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: going to serve her divorce papers wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 1: find her. 2.06 p.m. Photo admitted into evidence. It shows
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  Speaker 1: Serena and Zulema at the conference. 2.08 p.m. Smith now
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  Speaker 1: asking about castings and the gifts people had. Chad told
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  Speaker 1: Zulema her gift was the elements. She was able to
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  Speaker 1: work with the elements. Melanie Gibb's gift was a gatherer.
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  Speaker 1: She was meant to gather people who were awake, aware
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  Speaker 1: of the signs and the times. And that's why when
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: they come out, like Melanie Gibb and Zulema and the
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  Speaker 1: rest of them, and act like they were just, you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: unwillful participants here, I don't buy that for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: These are all adults. They should know that what they're
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: talking about and what they're sitting around and being involved
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: in is batshit crazy. 2.09 p.m. Serena was a very
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: powerful goddess, according to Chad. Zulema does not remember Melanie B.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: 's gift. Alex's responsibility was to be a warrior. Chad
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: told him he was going to be a defender, a warrior,
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  Speaker 1: and he would be training many other warriors that would
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  Speaker 1: be moving to Rexburg in the future. 2.11 p.m. Chad
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  Speaker 1: told Alex he was Lori's protector. 2.12 p.m. Zulema asked
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  Speaker 1: Alex how he felt after shooting someone following Charles' death.
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  Speaker 1: Alex responded he was a zombie. Lori told Zulema that
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: JJ was going to have a very short life, and
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: at a meeting in August 2019, Chad said JJ would
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: have a very short life because he was going to
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: come right back as Colby Ryan's child. Alex believed all
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: of this, according to Zalima. So again, I say to you,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: if Alex Cox believed all of this and was capable
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: of killing these kids, which I think he was, do
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: you really think he wouldn't kill himself to further the
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: ambitions of this group of maniacs? 2.14 p.m. Boyce asked
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  Speaker 1: for a brief sidebar with attorneys. To discuss scheduling. 2.17pm.
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  Speaker 1: Smith has a few more questions for Zulema. Zulema says
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad taught. That if you were exalted. In
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: another probation. This time you came to earth. Didn't count
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: for you. Because he had already proven yourself. In another probation.
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  Speaker 1: Lori often said. It doesn't count for me. So basically
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: she gets a free pass. To do whatever she wants.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: That's pretty convenient huh? 2.18pm. Zulema says Alex believed everything
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Lori said. and he believed his mission was to protect Lori.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: That mission was given to Chad and Lori during a blessing. 2.19 p.m.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Smith's final question for Zulema. Alex took his role seriously
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: to protect Lori. Zulema responds, absolutely. We are now taking
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a 15-minute afternoon break. 2.39 p.m. Lori is very chatty
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: with her attorneys today. She is smiling back and forth
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: between Jim Archibald and John Thomas. Well, of course, they're
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: talking a lot about Chad Daybell. That has to get
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: her excited, right? 2.41 p.m. Voice reminds everyone in the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: audience that they cannot speak with each other and give
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: commentary during witness testimony, especially to those seated near the jurors.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: The jury is being brought back into the courtroom. 2.43 p.m.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Thomas is conducting cross-examination on Zulima. He says your testimony
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: this morning was dramatically different than your testimony this afternoon.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Did you talk to anyone about the case? She says
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: she did not, but her nerves were different in the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: morning than this afternoon. 2.45 p.m. Zalima says Melanie Gibb
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: often had different people come to her house to talk
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: about their books. Thomas asks if Zalima, Melanie Gibb, Lori
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: were very active in the LDS church. They went to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: temple quite often and met up with each other there. Well,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: they might have went to the church, the actual church,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: but they were on some other shit. They were meeting
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: up sidelined and they were meeting up in a smaller
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: group because they know if they went and talked to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: the rest of the congregation about this nonsense, they'd laugh
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: at them. 2.47 p.m. Zulema says when she met up
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: with Lori, they usually talked about spiritual things. 2.48 p.m.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Zulema found it amazing that Lori said she had seen Jesus,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: so she wanted to know more about it. Zulema says
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: she had her own amazing spiritual experiences in the temple. Well,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: you know who else saw somebody that's very spiritual? Polly
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Walnuts in The Sopranos. He saw the Virgin Mary at
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the Bada Bing. So there's that. 2.50 p.m. Thomas reads
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: a text message to Zalima sent to Chad where she
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: said she was having visions at the temple after Chad
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: gave her a blessing. 2.50 p.m. Zalima says she isn't
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: specifically sure what visions she was referring to at the time.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: but she remembers seeing herself in a beautiful room with
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: a big table. She was sitting at the table, and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: there were people all around. A man was sitting on
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: the other end, a very light being. You sure you
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: didn't take any acid before you went to the temple, Zulema? 2.52 p.m.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Zulema says she had been married multiple times before Chad
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: gave her a blessing, saying she would get married. Thomas
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: asks for clarification on the castings. She says nobody was
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: ever physically harmed. It was meant to bind the spirit
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: of one person. Oh yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: it was. That's why you guys had your fingers aimed
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: as guns as you were doing your stupid witchcraft casting. 2.53 PM.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Thomas asks Zulema if her views on the casting and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: light work have changed. She responds, there are two children
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: that have died and a mother of five who have died.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I will consider that evil. Yes, sir. Zulema says Chad
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: and Lori's work had a direct tie to the children
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: and spouse who died. Oh, well, no shit. 2.56 p.m. Thomas,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: you're not a real gullible person. You have some sophistication, right?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Zulema responds, I have always believed people, and I believe
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: in the goodness of people. I see their positive sides,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: their good sides, and I try to believe their intentions
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: are always good. I have become a lot more cautious
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: since meeting Lori and Chad, and my views have changed
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a little in regard to that. Breaking news, The world's
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: not your friend. All right. And all the people in it.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I know this is not what a lot of folk
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: want to hear, but a lot of the people in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: this world do not give one single fuck about you.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Just keep that in mind. 2.58 p.m. Thomas asked Zalima
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: about when she was ordained to the church of the firstborn.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: She says it was done, but she doesn't remember when
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: it happened. 3 p.m. Zalima says Chad made her feel
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: very special and the blessings he gave were very personal. 3.02 p.m.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Zulema talking about the times Chad had given her blessings. 3.03 p.m.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Zulema says she often texted Chad to ask questions about
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: spiritual topics. 3.04 p.m. Thomas clarifying the lunch meetup Zulema
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: had with Chad, Lori, and Melanie Gibb. Zulema says Chad
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: relayed to her all of her past lives during that meeting.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Thomas says earlier Zulema only said Chad shared about her
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: second past life. Not all of them. 3.06 p.m. Salima
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: said she had a belief in Chad that made her
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: think what he taught was true. So back to that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: gullible statement. Yeah, she was obviously gullible, okay? Anyone that
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: believes Chad Daybell with his goofy-ass shirt, his mom jeans,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: his new balance, and the dumb-ass story that he has
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and he's pitching to you, yeah, you're gullible if you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: buy that. 3.07 p.m. Thomas displays the image from Zulema's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: journal showing the circles with multiple lives and the circles
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: showing where spirits go to stay in limbo for two
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: minutes after the body dies. 3.10 p.m. Thomas asks Zulema
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: why she drew it. She doesn't know. He is now
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: showing another page from Zulema's journal showing some drawings. 3.10 p.m.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Zulema says the drawing was in February-March of 2019. around
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: the time Chad and Lori started teaching about the light
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: and dark scale. Zulima would carry this page around with her.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: So she was a firm believer, right? Now, don't get
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: me wrong, that doesn't mean her testimony doesn't mean anything.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: It does. When you're trying to go after a criminal,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: you have to have the testimony of, guess what, other criminals.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: So if you're going after some wacko zealot, you have
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: to have the testimony of some other wacko zealots. 3.11 p.m.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Tom is showing another page from the journal. Zalima says
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: she was trying to write the order of the priesthood. 3.12 p.m.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Zalima explaining Chad and Lori taught that to prevent another
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: demon from taking over the body, you have two minutes
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: to burn around the body to prevent another demon from
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: going into the body. 3.15 p.m. Zalima says she knows
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori did not have the authority to cast
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: out evil spirits. But she believes evil spirits can be
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: cast out because Jesus did it when he was alive. Oh, okay, well,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: there's that. 3.17 p.m. Thomas asks how someone would burn
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: the body or around the body. Zulema says it was
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: done spiritually and verbally during the casting. You verbally describe burning?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Zulema says it had nothing to do with physical burning. No,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: it had everything to do with it. You played a
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: part in this, Zulema? You and your dumb casting, okay?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Don't act like you played no part here. You did. 3.18 p.m.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Burning as on the fifth level of the priesthood chart.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: The sixth level is escorting, and the seventh level is sealing.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Zulema says escorting is when the spirit is escorted out
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of the seventh level, sealing the spirit out of the body.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: The next level is to banish, then expel, reject, purge,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: and then evict the evil spirit. 3.21 p.m. Zalima says
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: the entire goal was to cast out and banish the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: evil spirit. This entire handwritten chart shows how to do
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: this with biblical scriptures listed on the page. 3.23 p.m.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Thomas has no more cross-examination, but questioning is done for
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: the day. The jury is being dismissed. No court on Monday,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: but we will resume Tuesday at 8.30 a.m. All right, folks,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: so obviously, since there's no court on Monday, we won't
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: have an update on what goes on. But we'll have
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: some more context episodes, and we'll keep it rolling from there.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: But that's going to do it for this one. All
• 1:08:41
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