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Breaking Down Hongkong Land's Bold Strategic Shift · Investor Exchange

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  Music.
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  You know, they recently dropped their preliminary results announcement.
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  Yeah. And it's kind of our job to break it down, figure out what it all means
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  for them for their past year, but more importantly, where they might be heading in the future.
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  Exactly. This is a big player in the Asian property scene. Yeah.
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  Investment management development.
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  Huge. So, yeah, we're taking a close look. And to do that, we've got their official
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  announcement right here in front of us. all the juicy details,
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  the financial highlights, the strategy overview, and of course,
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  what management had to say about it all.
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  Yeah, trying to read between the lines a bit there. Always got to do that, right?
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  So we're not just going to focus on the what happened with the numbers,
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  but the why, you know, what were the forces, both good and bad,
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  shaping their performance and what are they thinking?
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  What's their perspective on what's coming down the line? Yeah,
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  I think that's key, right? Getting into their heads a bit.
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  Absolutely. All right. So let's jump right into it. Those headline numbers got to start there.
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  What really stood out to you right off the bat? Well, the big one that kind
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  of jumps out at you is that underlying profit that's attributable to shareholders.
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  It took a pretty big hit. Yeah.
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  Down 44% to $410 million U.S.
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  Dollars. Whoa. Okay. So we're talking a significant drop there.
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  Yeah. If you look back to 2023, that figure was $734 million.
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  Big difference. Yeah. It's a substantial decrease.
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  44%. That's going to raise some eyebrows for sure. But I think there's a really
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  important detail here that we need to unpack right away, and that's about some
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  provisions, right? Some specific provisions.
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  Oh, yeah, absolutely. You got to dig a bit deeper there.
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  So if you kind of peel back the layers and you exclude these non-cash provisions
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  that are specifically related to their build-to-sell business in mainland China,
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  the picture starts to look a little bit different.
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  Okay. It's still a decline, don't get me wrong, but the underlying profit comes
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  in at $724 million, which is down 12%. Okay, so still down.
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  Still down, but a much smaller decline. And these non-cash provisions,
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  they're basically accounting adjustments that kind of reflect anticipated future losses.
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  Right, right. It's not actual cash that went out the door in 2024.
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  Right. It's more like setting aside money just in case. Exactly.
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  Sort of like a rainy day fund, but for potential losses. And this clearly had
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  a big impact on the reported underlying profit.
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  So it's a bit of a paper loss in a sense? In a way, yeah.
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  It's based on projections and estimates. OK, so understanding those China provisions
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  is super important for getting a real handle on how their core business actually
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  performed. Absolutely.
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  Now, what about the overall profit or should we say loss in this case attributable to shareholders?
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  How did that shade out? Yeah, that one's interesting because it swung pretty dramatically.
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  The loss attributable to shareholders increased by a huge 138% landing at $1,385
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  million U.S. dollars. Wow.
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  Compare that to a loss of $582 million the year before. Big jump.
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  Yeah, really big jump further into the red.
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  Yeah, that always makes you wonder about the overall financial health, right?
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  I mean, that kind of swing can't be good news for their fundamental strength. Right.
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  And we did see a bit of a contraction in both shareholders' funds and net asset value per share.
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  Both of them declined by 6%. So shareholders' funds ended the year at $29.94
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  billion, and the net asset value per share was at $13.57.
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  Okay, so a bit of a step back in terms of overall equity.
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  Yeah, you could see that. Right. So we're seeing a bit of a downward trend in
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  profitability and equity here.
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  Were there any bright spots on the balance sheet? Were there any positives that
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  kind of balance things out a bit?
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  Yeah, actually, there were a few things. So the net debt was actually reduced
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  slightly by about 300 million, which is roughly 5 percent. OK.
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  Bringing it down to 5.088 billion. All right. Not bad.
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  And here's something that might be a bit surprising. Considering that profit
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  downturn, the final dividend per share actually went up.
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  Really? By 6 percent to 17 That is surprising. Why would they increase the dividend
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  when their profits are taking a hit?
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  Like, what message are they trying to send? Well, it could be a few things, right?
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  It could be that they're feeling confident about the long-term value of their
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  assets and the cash flow they expect to generate in the future,
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  despite the current challenges.
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  It could also be a way to keep shareholders happy, you know,
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  reward the loyal ones who are sticking with them through a tough period.
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  But ultimately, it tells us that they believe they can afford to keep paying
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  this dividend, even with the recent performance dip. So they're sending a signal
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  that they're still in a strong position. Yeah, exactly.
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  All right. So let's just recap those key financial takeaways for a second.
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  Underlying profit, down sharply, but not as much if you take out those China
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  provisions. Right. Bigger loss overall.
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  Slight dip in shareholder funds and NAV. Yep.
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  Modest reduction in net debt. Uh-huh. And a surprisingly higher final dividend. That's right.
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  Okay. What about earnings per share? Did those numbers kind of mirror what we've
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  been seeing with the profits? Pretty much. Yeah.
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  Underlying earnings per share were down that same 44% overall and 12% if you
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  take out the mainland China provisions.
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  The loss per share also went up quite a bit by 139%. And as you mentioned,
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  the total dividends per share for the year actually increased by 5%. Okay.
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  And finally, the net asset value per share, as we said, decreased by 6%.
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  So overall, a pretty complex financial picture for 2024 with those China provisions
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  clearly playing a big role.
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  For sure. Now let's shift gears a bit because the announcement also talked about
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  a pretty significant strategic shift for the company.
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  Yeah, big changes afoot. So what's the main idea behind this new direction they're
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  taking? They're calling 2024 a transformational year.
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  They unveiled this new strategic vision to 2035.
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  And the big thing is a change in focus. They're moving away from building and
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  selling residential properties. Okay.
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  And they're going to concentrate more on developing and managing these super
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  high-end, you know, ultra-premium integrated commercial properties.
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  You can see. Yeah, the really top-peer stuff. And they're focusing on what they
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  see as the main gateway cities in Asia.
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  Okay. They specifically mentioned Hong Kong, Singapore, and Shanghai as their key markets.
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  So a deliberate move away from residential and towards these commercial hubs.
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  Interesting. What's the thinking
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  behind that? What are they hoping to gain from this strategic shift?
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  Well, they're basically aiming for more stability. They want more long-term
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  recurring income, you know, something that's a little bit more predictable.
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  And they believe that these ultra-premium commercial properties are going to give them that.
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  They think it's a more resilient business model than the build-to-sell market,
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  which can be a bit more up and down.
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  Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So they're going for that steady,
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  reliable income stream.
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  Exactly. Now, this kind of shift sounds like it would take a lot of capital, a lot of resources.
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  How are they planning to finance this new direction? Are they going to take
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  on more debt or maybe try to raise money from shareholders?
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  Well, that's the interesting part. They're actually planning to recycle capital
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  from their existing build-to-sell portfolio.
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  They're aiming for a pretty ambitious target, up $10 billion U.S.
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  Dollars over the next decade. Wow.
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  And they've even set a more immediate target of $4 billion to $6 billion by
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  2027. Okay, so they're serious about this. Oh, yeah. And here's the kicker.
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  They've said that this new strategy won't involve increasing their net debt
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  or asking shareholders for more money.
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  So they're really relying on selling off those existing assets.
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  Yep. That's the plan. Bold move. So they're basically selling off parts of their
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  business to fuel this new focus.
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  That's a good way to put it. How are they actually going to do this?
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  Is there like a roadmap, a timeline they've laid out?
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  Yeah, they've got a three-phase plan. The first phase, which is already underway,
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  is all about that capital recycling, selling off those build-to-sell assets.
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  They're also working on building up their ability to find new deals and manage
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  the fundraising for their future commercial projects.
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  So getting all their ducks in a row. Exactly.
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  And then the next phases will involve actually using that money they've raised
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  to invest in those new long-term prime properties.
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  Makes sense. They'll keep recycling capital. And also, they'll be looking for
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  potential partners and third-party investors to help them expand their reach even further.
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  So it's a pretty comprehensive plan. Yeah, they've clearly thought this through.
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  Okay, so we've got a good overview of their strategy now. But let's go back
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  to those financial results for a second.
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  We've seen the headlines, but what were the actual underlying factors that drove
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  those numbers, both the good and the bad? Right, let's bring it down.
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  What areas of their business performed well and where did they hit some roadblocks?
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  Okay, so let's start with the positives.
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  The areas where they showed some strength. Okay. Their core prime commercial
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  portfolios, particularly in Hong Kong and Singapore, those continued to perform really well.
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  They maintained market-leading occupancy levels.
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  So even in a tough market, people still want those premium spaces.
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  Exactly. It shows how strong the demand is for their top-tier office and retail
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  spaces in those key locations. Okay, so that's good news. Definitely.
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  And this might surprise you, but even with all the challenges in the mainland
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  China build-to-sell sector, If you ignore those provisions we talked about earlier,
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  the underlying contributions from that segment actually went up.
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  Really? Yeah, by over 40 percent compared to the previous year.
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  Interesting. So it sounds like there's still demand for their properties in
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  China, but maybe it's more about valuations or future sales expectations that
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  led to those provisions.
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  Yeah, that's a good point. It's possible that they're just being cautious about
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  the future of that market.
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  Right. They also highlighted their strong overall financial position,
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  which has definitely helped them weather the storm.
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  And they pointed to the progress they've made with their capital recycling initiatives as a positive step.
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  Okay, makes sense. What else? Their Singapore office portfolio also had a really
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  good year with low vacancy rates and increased rental income.
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  So Singapore's doing well for them. Yeah, it's a strong market for them.
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  Yeah. And over in Shanghai, their ultra-premium West Bund residential sales were a success.
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  The units sold at very high prices, which shows that there's still demand at
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  the very top end of the market.
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  So the luxury market is still holding up. It seems to be, especially in certain locations.
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  Interesting. And any other bright spots? One more. The ultra-high net worth
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  retail segment in Hong Kong also showed some resilience.
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  It performed relatively well, even though the overall luxury retail market was a bit softer.
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  Okay, so some good news there for sure. But obviously there are some challenges
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  too, some headwinds that impacted their results.
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  So let's talk about those negative factors. Let's get into it.
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  What were the main things that dragged them down in 2024?
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  Well, without a doubt, the biggest negative was those non-cash provisions and
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  their mainland China build to sell business. Remember those? Yeah.
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  That total in that 314 million U.S. dollars.
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  And as we discussed, that had a direct impact on their reported underlying profit.
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  Right. A significant impact. Exactly. And they also had lower contributions
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  from their core Hong Kong central portfolio.
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  Profits from their prime properties, investments were down by 5%.
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  And what was driving that decline?
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  It was mainly their office portfolio within Central that was dragging them down.
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  Okay, and what was going on in the Hong Kong office market that caused this dip in performance?
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  Well, the whole Hong Kong office market saw a decline in rental values,
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  and that affected Hong Kong land too.
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  Right. The value of their Hong Kong investment properties portfolio decreased
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  by 5%, mainly because of those lower office rents.
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  And to put it in perspective, grade A office rents in Central dropped by as
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  much as 13% during the year.
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  Yeah, it was a tough year for that market. But Hong Kong Land did say that their
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  Central office portfolio actually outperformed the market benchmarks.
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  Interesting. So even though things were tough, their premium offerings held
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  up a bit better than the general market. So quality still matters. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. Now, besides the Hong Kong office market, what else weighed on their performance?
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  Yeah, what other factors were at play? Well, their Hong Kong luxury retail segment also took a hit.
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  They said that was mainly due
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  to planned tenant movements related to their tomorrow's central project.
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  Right, that big renovation project. Exactly. And that's caused some temporary
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  disruptions to their retail operations as they move tenants around and reconfigure spaces.
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  It's like when you're renovating your house, right?
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  It's a mess for a while, but hopefully it's worth it in the end.
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  Yeah, exactly. That's the idea.
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  And then their one central Macau property also had reduced contributions because
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  of ongoing renovations there and a generally weaker operating environment in Macau. Okay.
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  And finally, they reported lower contracted sales in both mainland China and
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  Singapore for their build to sell segments. Okay.
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  But in the case of Singapore, they said it was mostly because they had less
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  inventory available, not because of a lack of demand. So they just ran out of
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  things to sell. Pretty much.
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  Interesting. All right. So we've got a bunch of factors here.
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  Broader market challenges, strategic decisions that cause some temporary impacts,
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  and of course, those big China provisions.
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  Right. It's a complex picture. It is. Now, looking ahead to 2025,
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  what's Hong Kong land's outlook?
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  What are they expecting? Well, they're cautiously optimistic.
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  They said they expect a partial recovery in their underlying profits in 2025.
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  OK. OK, but they also warn that those profits are likely to stay well below
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  2023 levels. So they're not expecting a quick rebound.
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  Not really. They're saying that there's still a lot of uncertainty in the market. Makes sense.
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  So while they think things will get better, they're still expecting a challenging year.
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  Yeah, that's the gist of it. Now, what are some of the specific things they
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  think will impact their performance next year?
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  They highlighted a few key areas. First, they're expecting negative office rental
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  reversions in their central portfolio in Hong Kong.
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  Okay, so basically they think they'll have to lower rents to keep tenants.
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  Right. As existing leases expire and they sign new ones, they expect the new
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  rents to be lower, which will obviously impact their income. Right.
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  And then there's the Tomorrow Central project that's going to continue to affect
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  their retail performance.
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  They said that up to 40% of Landmark's
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  leasable floor area could be under renovation at any given time.
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  Wow, so that's a big chunk of their retail space. Yeah, it's a major project
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  and it's going to cause some ongoing disruptions.
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  Understandable. And what about their move away from build to sell?
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  How will that affect their outlook?
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  Well, as they continue to wind down that part of their business,
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  they're expecting lower margins and lower contributions from that segment.
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  Okay, so that's going to be a drag on their profits for a while.
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  Yeah, until they fully transition to their new focus.
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  Right. So it sounds like 2025 is going to be another year of transition and
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  adjustment for them. Definitely.
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  Now, do they still seem confident about their overall financial position and
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  this whole new strategic direction?
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  Yeah, they do. They reaffirmed their robust financial position.
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  And they said that capital recycling is still their top priority. Oh, OK.
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  And they also said they're optimistic about the long-term potential of those
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  ultra-premium commercial properties in those key Asian cities.
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  So they're sticking to their guns. Yeah, they believe in their vision. Good to hear.
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  Now, besides the financial outlook, they also mentioned some key strategic initiatives
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  they're working on. What were some of the highlights there?
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  Well, the Tomorrow Central project is obviously a big one.
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  It's a massive undertaking, and it's going to have a big impact on their business
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  in the long run. Yeah, that's a billion-dollar investment.
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  Huge, yeah. Yeah. And they also mentioned that they recently hired a new chief investment officer.
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  Interesting. And this person is going to be focused on their investment and
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  capital management strategies, which is really important for their new strategic vision.
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  Yeah. They need someone to steer the ship. Exactly.
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  Another interesting thing, they introduced a new share-based long-term incentive
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  plan for their senior leadership. Okay. What's that all about?
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  Basically, they're linking part of their exec's compensation to the company's
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  total shareholder returns.
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  So if the shareholders do well, the execs do well. Exactly. It's a way to align
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  everyone's interest. Smart move.
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  And anything else? One more thing. They unveiled a new visual identity and a
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  new corporate identity, along with this new slogan, Experience is Central.
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  Catchy. Yeah. It's all part of their rebranding effort to reflect their new direction.
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  So they're really going all in on this new strategy. Yeah. They're making big
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  changes. Now, they also talked about some of the risks they're facing.
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  Right. Always got to acknowledge those. Were there any that really stood out
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  in the context of their recent performance and their outlook for the future?
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  Yeah, a few things come to mind. The overall economic risks are a big one.
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  Things like volatile interest rates, currency fluctuations, the possibility of a recession.
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  All of that could impact the pricing and demand for their properties.
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  Yeah. The economy is always a wild card.
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  It is. And then there are the risks associated with actually executing their
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  new strategy and all that capital recycling. Right.
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  What if they can't sell their build to sell assets for the prices they want?
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  What if they have trouble finding new investments in the sectors they're targeting?
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  Yeah, those are legitimate concerns.
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  Absolutely. And then there's the competition.
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  They're not the only players in the premium property market,
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  and they need to stay ahead of the curve to keep attracting tenants and keep
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  those rental incomes coming in. It's a tough business.
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  It is, and they need to be adaptable to survive. So as you'd expect for a company
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  this size that's going through such a big transformation, there are a lot of
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  moving parts, a lot of potential challenges. Definitely, it's a complex situation.
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  All right, so let's try to sum up everything we've talked about.
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  What are the key takeaways from this deep dive into Hong Kong land?
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  Okay, so in a nutshell, 2024 was a tough year financially, mainly because of
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  those provisions in their China build to sell business.
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  But their core commercial properties, those remained resilient,
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  especially in those key gateway cities. Right.
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  They're in the middle of this major shift towards those ultra premium commercial
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  properties, which means they'll be selling off a lot of their existing assets
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  to fund this new direction.
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  And looking ahead to 2025.
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  Well, they're expecting some recovery, but they're also being realistic.
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  They know that profits are likely to stay below 2023 levels while they navigate
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  the market and deal with the impacts of their strategic initiatives.
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  So a year of change and challenges, but with a clear vision for the future.
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  That sums it up pretty well. And that brings us to our final thought for all
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  of you listening out there.
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  Considering this big shift Hong Kong land is making and the current global economic
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  climate, what do you think will be the biggest hurdles they'll need to overcome
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  to achieve their vision 2035 and reach those ambitious growth targets?
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  Yeah, that's a great question. Something to ponder.
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  Definitely something to watch as Hong Kong land continues to evolve in the years
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  to come. For sure. Thanks for joining us for this deep dive. See you next time.
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  You.