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New Push For Tips in Disappearance of People's Court Mom · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous thirty three year
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Speaker 1: old mom seemingly vanishes. Grammy surveillance video emerges of her
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Speaker 1: at a red light. But is that her in her
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Speaker 1: own car? Because I don't think so. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Parker was last seen around two pm Thursday,
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Speaker 1: dropping her kids off at Smith's home. At about four pm,
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Speaker 1: her brother received a short text from her, but she
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Speaker 1: never showed up for her six pm bartending shift. Her
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Speaker 1: iPhone last pined at a cell phone tower at eight pm,
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Speaker 1: then total silence. At this point for eleven year old
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Speaker 1: calls his grandmother von Stewart to ask where's mom? And
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Speaker 1: her son called, said his mom at the salon or
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Speaker 1: like no, honey, she went to drop off the babies.
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Speaker 1: She should be home, She should be taking a natch.
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Speaker 1: Lyon seen her since said home from school. On Friday,
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Speaker 1: police found her black Hummer near in Orlando Mall she
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Speaker 1: rarely visited, and on Sunday they searched her ex fiancee's
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Speaker 1: home at the nearby field as she ever disappeared before
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Speaker 1: called or taking a few hours just to see by herself.
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Speaker 1: Parker's mother, von Stewart, has been desperately searching for her
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Speaker 1: daughter for four days now. I can only imagine what
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Speaker 1: Miss Stewart has been through with me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again,
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Speaker 1: analyzing clues I believe have been left behind. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing our friend Matt Gutman and ABC need has
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Speaker 1: been joining me right now, John Deal, personal injury lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of or Orlando who is on Michelle Parker's family
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Speaker 1: legal team as they try their best to find clues
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Speaker 1: regarding the young mom's disappearance. Also with me. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining us out of Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: She's a star of a new Netflix show, Bling Empire,
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Speaker 1: the founder and director of the Cold Case Research Instance.
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Speaker 1: You're joining me Cheryl McCullum, and you can find her
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Speaker 1: at Cold Case Crimes dot org. But first to Bianca Prieto,
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Speaker 1: former Orlando Sentinel crime and justice reporter, and you can
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Speaker 1: find her on Insta at Bianca Prieto. Bianca, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. I want you to listen to
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Speaker 1: one more bit of Sam. This is from Jennifer bus
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Speaker 1: rom Fox thirty five per spent the day on foot,
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Speaker 1: handing out Flyer's family and clothes, friends, walking from miles,
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Speaker 1: checking every corner for Michelle, every dumpster. You're like, oh, y'all,
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Speaker 1: I hope you're not in here. Maybe I hope you're
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Speaker 1: not in here. And you get up and you crawl
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Speaker 1: on top of stuff and you look and you're like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this one's laminated if you're not here. Brothers Bret and
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Speaker 1: Dustin staying strong for their sister, so you're not used
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Speaker 1: to every day you don't want to wake up and
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Speaker 1: figure it'll be your sister. You'll be going to look
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Speaker 1: for It's just hurts using maps and driving these ATVs around.
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Speaker 1: They've been turning everything they find over to investigators. We
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Speaker 1: found a lot of possible things today and nothing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's all got to get tested and stuff like that,
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Speaker 1: so we can't or we can't say what's what? Can
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Speaker 1: you even imagine that? Just pause for a moment, because
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Speaker 1: I recall it the District Attorney's office, when we would
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Speaker 1: get literally hundreds of new cases every X number of days,
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Speaker 1: all felonies, all serious. You'd have to go through them
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Speaker 1: like a machine to try to keep going and move
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Speaker 1: the case load. But if, for instance, when I would
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Speaker 1: be driving home from work, I would actually let the
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Speaker 1: facts of a case seep in, and it would be very,
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Speaker 1: very upsetting. Cheryl McCollum, you were with me in the
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Speaker 1: trenches fighting crime, like literally twenty four seven, three sixty five.
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Speaker 1: And wouldn't you hear this family? The mom's saying, oh oh,
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Speaker 1: as she's searching a dumpster. Baby, please don't be in
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Speaker 1: this dumpster. Please don't be in this dumpster. It's just
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Speaker 1: all gut wrenching. That's tough, it's awful, and you know,
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Speaker 1: just the idea of where she's having to search and
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Speaker 1: what she's actually searching for, you know, her child, and
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Speaker 1: even though she's a grown woman and had children of
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Speaker 1: her own, that's her baby and she is literally crawling
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Speaker 1: in a dumpster and praying she's not there. To Ray Kaputo,
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Speaker 1: lead news anchor Orlando Morning News at w BO, Michelle,
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Speaker 1: she was last seeing Thursday, November seventies, so that's a
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Speaker 1: week before Thanksgiving, and she dropped off for her twins
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Speaker 1: and she seemingly vanishes. So over the weekend. I remember
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Speaker 1: that flyers now are starting to be put out. I
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Speaker 1: think they said about twenty thousand flyers. I remember to
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Speaker 1: seeing these flyers everywhere. So this all took place Michelle
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Speaker 1: and missing just only months after the Casey Anthony trial
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Speaker 1: had wrapped up, and fliers are now over the weekend
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Speaker 1: all around Orlando, and the case very early on is
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Speaker 1: attracting a lot of media attention. So it's the Monday
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Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving them Michelle has been missing five days. It's
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Speaker 1: a beautiful fall Orlando day, in the temperatures in the eighties,
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Speaker 1: and I was reporting for w DBO in Orlando. So
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Speaker 1: there was a staging area south of downtown. It's in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot near a lake Conway, and that was
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Speaker 1: where Michelle's phone had last picked. So that's where people
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Speaker 1: were searching. And there were several dozen volunteers or friends, family,
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Speaker 1: they were even complete strangers. And when I got to
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Speaker 1: the staging area in Auntie, I remember that it wasn't
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Speaker 1: a sullen scene. It was kind of people were active.
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Speaker 1: It was it all hands on deck approach. There was
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Speaker 1: a TVs, there were caters, there was water. You know,
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Speaker 1: people were going about their business and you know, I
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Speaker 1: think back that Michelle, the way she was described was
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Speaker 1: a bartender. She was really gregarious, and she had such
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Speaker 1: a big spirit. At that moment, not a person there
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Speaker 1: didn't think that she was gonna not be found alive
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Speaker 1: or not becoming home pretty soon. So it was it
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Speaker 1: all hands on deck approach. And I get to the
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Speaker 1: stage area and I try to find someone to talk to,
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Speaker 1: and I reverently walked up to Yvonne Stewart, that's Michelle's mom,
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Speaker 1: and she was a roller coaster of emotion and she
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Speaker 1: was at that point she was adamant that Michelle was alive,
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Speaker 1: and then we were going to talk about her. So
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Speaker 1: we go into the RV and she starts telling me
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Speaker 1: about Michelle and how great of a mom she was.
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Speaker 1: She had She had a couple of twins and eleven
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Speaker 1: year old and they just adored their mommy and they
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Speaker 1: had a tight little family unit. And Nancy. She also
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Speaker 1: talked about how well known and well liked Michelle was.
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Speaker 1: She tended bar, she had a natural talent for talking
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Speaker 1: to people. You know, again, just a lot of laughing
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Speaker 1: and a lot of crying, and you know, I just
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Speaker 1: remembered that moment. Yvonne didn't believe the worst. She was
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Speaker 1: holding out hope. Actually Bianca Prieto formerly Orlando Sentinel criminal
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Speaker 1: and justice reporter beyont let's start at the beginning. Tell
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Speaker 1: me when we first realize she's often called People's Court Mom,
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Speaker 1: and we're about to find out why Michelle Parker is missing.
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Speaker 1: So Michelle never went home after dropping off her twins
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Speaker 1: with their father. When her son got home from school,
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Speaker 1: mom was gone, he'd go and wipe the heck. And coincidentally,
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Speaker 1: that day, Michelle and her ex fiance had been on
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Speaker 1: an episode of the People's Court arguing over a five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars engagement ring. That's an expensive ring. So the
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Speaker 1: alarm was first raised by the eleven year old. Such,
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Speaker 1: she's got the eleven year old. Then she's got two
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Speaker 1: taught twins trying to take in the eleven year old
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Speaker 1: getting home and Mommy's not there. Can't find mommy, no message,
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Speaker 1: no voice, no all know nothing. Where is mommy? Who
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Speaker 1: is a mommy? Who is Michelle Parker? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Michelle Parker
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Speaker 1: is no stranger to hard work. It's not easy to
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Speaker 1: juggle multiple jobs in a family. This thirty three year
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Speaker 1: old beauty is a mom of three, a bartender and
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Speaker 1: entrepreneur and a student. Not only did she pour drinks
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Speaker 1: at one of the most popular bars in Sanford, Florida,
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Speaker 1: The Barn, she also ran a tanning business, using her
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Speaker 1: suv as a mobile billboard, a vehicle wrap with glow
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Speaker 1: mobile airbrush tanning salon clearly visible down the side. On
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Speaker 1: top of this, she was studying in cosmetology, working on
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Speaker 1: getting her license to work alongside her mother in the
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Speaker 1: family salon. Wow, she's got her plate full. I could
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Speaker 1: just see her are driving along in that hummer with
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Speaker 1: a glow mobile airbrush tanning salon wrapped around it, which
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Speaker 1: turns out to be a critical fact in this case.
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Speaker 1: Let's listen to more from crime Online about who is
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Speaker 1: Michelle Parker. Ask Michelle Parker's family and friends and they
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Speaker 1: will tell you her good looks turned heads. Her friends
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Speaker 1: will also tell you that she has an amazing personality
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Speaker 1: and a big heart. It was that combination her dark
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Speaker 1: hair and bright white smile and big heart they caught
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Speaker 1: the attention of Dale Smith, a former marine. The couple
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Speaker 1: plans alive together. Smith pops the question with a five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar engagement ring. The couple also have three year
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Speaker 1: old twins five thousand dollars for an engagement ring. What
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Speaker 1: the hay happened? Take a listen to hl In. Michelle
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Speaker 1: Parker has like a lot of women that you see
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Speaker 1: around here in Orlando, she had these big dreams. She
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Speaker 1: had these big plans, and she was making steps to
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Speaker 1: make her dreams come true. Michelle was just a hard
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Speaker 1: working single mother of She had two jobs. She was
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Speaker 1: far attended night She also had a tanning business, which
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Speaker 1: she advertised the decals on her armor. She was also
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Speaker 1: going to cosmetology school. She wanted to make a better
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Speaker 1: life for herself and also her three kids. She weren't hard,
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Speaker 1: She loved her kids. She was an awesome mom. Those
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Speaker 1: kids are so well taken care of. If you look
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Speaker 1: at her photos, you can tell the cosmetology wasn't important
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Speaker 1: to her. She was always made always had her nail side,
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Speaker 1: who always had her hair done right, and she was
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Speaker 1: in school to get the license and the certification to
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Speaker 1: one day work for her mother and the salon. I'm
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Speaker 1: recognizing the voice of Steve Helling from people dot com.
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Speaker 1: So how does she go missing? We know the eleven
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Speaker 1: year old comes home, no mommy there, and that is very,
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Speaker 1: very jarring for children, Doctor Bethany Marshall. I can only
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Speaker 1: imagine even when their dad picks them up as opposed
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Speaker 1: to me, and they pick up line at school, the
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Speaker 1: twins are like, what's going on? The least little thing
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Speaker 1: off routine can be very upsetting for children, Doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: and Nancy. It sticks in their mind. You have no
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Speaker 1: idea how many adult patients in my clinical practice, some
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Speaker 1: of them captains of the industry, very successful lives, will
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Speaker 1: recount in therapy a time that the parent was late
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Speaker 1: to pick them up for school, a time when they
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Speaker 1: came home and the parent wasn't there. These things stick
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Speaker 1: in the child's mind. That's because Nancy, the parents serve
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Speaker 1: as a background, comforting presence for the child. What makes
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Speaker 1: children feel safe enough to go out into the world
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Speaker 1: is that their parents are waiting for them somewhere, that
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Speaker 1: the parents are predictability predictable. So when that pattern breaks,
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Speaker 1: it steers into the child's memory. If you ask a
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Speaker 1: child about did mommy forget to pick you up? Where
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Speaker 1: you left waiting at school, You've got to believe they're
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Speaker 1: telling the truth because they will remember crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, so let's go back when she goes missing
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Speaker 1: and the search is on. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at Fox Knees. A search is underway in Florida
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Speaker 1: for a young mother who disappeared the same day at
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Speaker 1: her case Aaron the TV show at the People's Court.
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Speaker 1: Her name is Michelle Parker, mother of three, has not
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Speaker 1: been seen since Thursday, she and her ex Beyonce, appearing
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Speaker 1: on that show in a heated dispute over a five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars engagement ring. Now her sister speaking out on
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Speaker 1: Fox and Friends a bit earlier today, it's definitely a
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Speaker 1: fact that she went missing the same day of whether
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Speaker 1: or not it's a coincidence, I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if somebody saw her on TV and thought, hey,
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Speaker 1: she's beautiful and what they do and you know, figured
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Speaker 1: out where she was at or something. I really don't know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and she is a beautiful and more important and being
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Speaker 1: physically beautiful, beautiful on the inside too. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: woman works like a maniac an, raises children and goes
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Speaker 1: to school. So what is this about the People's Court?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Matt Gutman ABC. This is it
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Speaker 1: seemed like a typical episode of the People's Court. He
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Speaker 1: gets pretty malicious and vindictive, and he's a mean person,
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Speaker 1: especially when he's been drinking. Thirty three year old Michelle
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Speaker 1: Lee Parker and her ex fiance Dale Smith bickering over
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Speaker 1: an engagement ring thrown out of a balcony, and then
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Speaker 1: he said that he wanted his ring, so I took
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Speaker 1: it off. Can I throw it out him? But away
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Speaker 1: from the camera, even their mundane domestic arguments tended to
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Speaker 1: turn violent as he grabbed and turned around. He was
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Speaker 1: holding on to me, screaming at me, pointing back after
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Speaker 1: the stage, going get on that backup and stage. You know.
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Speaker 1: Just three hours after this episode of The People's Court
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Speaker 1: finally aired last Thursday, Parker vanished, but was from disappearance
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Speaker 1: it really foreshadow or was it an uncanny coincidence? Thinking
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Speaker 1: this through? So they had take let me go to
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Speaker 1: John W. Dial NW, a PI lawyer joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Orlando who is part of the Parker's legal team.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at John W. Deal dot com.
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Speaker 1: John the People's Court episode was filmed in advance of
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Speaker 1: the day she goes missing, but it airs the day
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Speaker 1: she goes missing, right, correct, correct, and the word coincidence
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Speaker 1: has been bandied about, but you go, it's pretty clear
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Speaker 1: there's no coincidence. I missed one. You know, John Dill.
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Speaker 1: You and I've taught many many times. John not only
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Speaker 1: is a high profile personal injury lawyer, but has a
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Speaker 1: brilliant legal mind. I've always said there's no coincidence in
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Speaker 1: criminal law, and then right when I say that there
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Speaker 1: is a coincidence, what happened on that episode. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at ABC kind of smashing my
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Speaker 1: camera on the ground because I was a little angry
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Speaker 1: and I didn't want to. Smith is the father of
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Speaker 1: their three year old twins. It's been a hell of
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Speaker 1: a roller coaster ride, and it's poison, something Parker knew
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Speaker 1: for years. In two thousand and nine, she filed and
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Speaker 1: was granted a restraining order against Smith. Parker claims, you
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Speaker 1: quote natch the passenger side when my suv took car
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Speaker 1: seat out and threw them into the road. His Facebook
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Speaker 1: page lists his education is having quote studied death, destruction,
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Speaker 1: terror and mayhem at the US Marine Corps. But Orlando
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Speaker 1: Police a Smith is not a suspect, and that he
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Speaker 1: has so far cooperative with investigators. We're not looking at him,
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Speaker 1: We're looking at everything. I don't think the Marine Corps
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Speaker 1: would be very proud of this moment when one of
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Speaker 1: their own says they studied death, destruction and mayhem. You know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Of course, I have crime related stories
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Speaker 1: on everything regarding social media, but there are also a
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Speaker 1: lot of pictures of the twins of the dog Fat Boy,
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Speaker 1: the cats Cinnamon, Abby and Chloe, the guinea pigs, Death
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Speaker 1: destruction and mayhem. It is his personal motto, Nancy, death,
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Speaker 1: destruction and mayhem. If a patient came into my office
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Speaker 1: through those words, I would take them very seriously. I
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Speaker 1: mean the idea to be that you want to destroy,
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Speaker 1: that you want to kill people. That is spurious. That
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Speaker 1: means that a person putting this on social media is
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Speaker 1: in fact homicidal. There's no other way to put it.
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Speaker 1: People don't say those words for no reason, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I put a lot of death and destruction
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Speaker 1: on social media when I'm trying to solve cases or
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Speaker 1: put them out there draw attention to them. I don't
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Speaker 1: think I'm going I don't think I'm homicidal. So I'm
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Speaker 1: going to give you a minute to percolate on that,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethan, not that I j D would dare dare correct,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. But before we get too far down
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Speaker 1: that rabbit hole, take a listen to our friend Asa
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Speaker 1: Diaz at WISH too. Michelle Parker's family is moving the
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Speaker 1: command post to the Barn and Sandford and that's the
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Speaker 1: bar where Parker worked as a bartender. Volunteers are resuming
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Speaker 1: their search this morning after searching canals in South Orlando
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Speaker 1: this weekend. That's near the home of PA's fiance, Dale Smith.
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Speaker 1: He's staying with his parents right now. He has not
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Speaker 1: been arrested, but he has been named the prime suspect
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Speaker 1: and Parker's just It has been two and a half
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Speaker 1: weeks now since Parker was last seen. Her loved ones
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Speaker 1: held a fondraiser Saturday night. They sold t shirts to
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Speaker 1: raise money for Parker's three children. Straight back at to
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Speaker 1: Bianca Prieto Or sent in a little Crime and Justice
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Speaker 1: reporter at the time, Bianca, thank you again for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Let's talk about she goes missing last saying
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Speaker 1: dropping her children off at the fiance's home so she
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Speaker 1: could go to work. Where was she going to work?
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Speaker 1: That night, Nancy, she was actually headed to work at
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Speaker 1: the Barn, which is a really popular bar up in Sanford,
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Speaker 1: north of Orlando, probably about twenty twenty five miles north
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Speaker 1: of where her ex fiance lived, and she never showed up.
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Speaker 1: So John W. De let me understand something. She was
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Speaker 1: later seen on granny surveillance video. At least her hummer was.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't where she was? Where her hummer was? I think
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Speaker 1: it was at a red light? Correct? Wasn't that in
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Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Let me try to articulate this a
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Speaker 1: little bit better. So let's just say A is where
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Speaker 1: she spotted her car is spotted at red light. B's
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Speaker 1: where fiance is where she dropped the children. C is
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Speaker 1: the barn where she was going to work that night. Correct,
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Speaker 1: So from B to C is a straight shot. But
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Speaker 1: A was in a completely different direction. Correct, That's right.
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Speaker 1: She was her and again her job was well north
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Speaker 1: of town. Again, about twenty twenty five minutes her vehicle
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Speaker 1: after she doesn't show up at work, which is out
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Speaker 1: of the ordinary for her. She was very responsible about
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Speaker 1: showing up her vehicles scene closer down to where her
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Speaker 1: fiance's places, where her kids were dropped off. And then
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Speaker 1: ultimately where a car is found is not far from
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Speaker 1: that area, which is near the Millennium Mall, which is
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Speaker 1: again in the opposite direction of where she was headed
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Speaker 1: and had always added to and had gone to work.
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Speaker 1: So she's she's not where she's supposed to be if
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Speaker 1: she's in the car at that time, and that there's
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Speaker 1: communication is broken down in between time, and nobody knows
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Speaker 1: where she's or she is. Well, you know, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: before everybody points the finger at the boyfriend, the fiance,
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Speaker 1: the father of the twins, let's just hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 1: You can't narrow it down immediately, although you've got to
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Speaker 1: investigate him based on statistics alone. Cheryl I investigated a
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Speaker 1: case out in California where a nurse got off the
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Speaker 1: night shift and was in her truck on the way
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Speaker 1: home and went missing. The case goes cold until, believe
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Speaker 1: it or not, a woman, not a psychic, a woman
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Speaker 1: with a regular job, has some kind of a vision
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Speaker 1: of a body being out in a canyon, and she's
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Speaker 1: so nothing like this has ever happened to her. Before
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Speaker 1: she gets her family to go with her, and they
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Speaker 1: go driving through the canyon and they see something white.
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Speaker 1: It's her in her nurse's outfit. Well, the police arrest
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Speaker 1: her because of course I don't believe in psychics. She
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Speaker 1: won a big settlement against the LAPD. I think it
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Speaker 1: was when the true killers are found. And guess what
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Speaker 1: she the nurse had been at a red light late
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Speaker 1: at night, getting off for it from the hospital, and
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Speaker 1: these guys drive up, they start saying stuff to her,
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Speaker 1: trying to talk to her. They kidnap her, raper and
21:16
Speaker 1: kill her and dumper in the canyon. That's what happened.
21:20
Speaker 1: So before we charge down the avenue of the fiance,
21:25
Speaker 1: you have to look at everything you do, and you
21:28
Speaker 1: get a miss some purse case, Nancy. One of the
21:30
Speaker 1: first things you should do is start working backwards, meaning
21:34
Speaker 1: what did they search on their computer? What kind of
21:38
Speaker 1: withdrawals did they make on their debit card or bank cards?
21:41
Speaker 1: What kind of purchases, what kind of phone calls, what
21:44
Speaker 1: kind of messages did they break habit or routine? Those
21:49
Speaker 1: are the things you're gonna want to know because if
21:51
Speaker 1: somebody says, well she probably ran off, well you need
21:53
Speaker 1: money to do that, and she dumped her vehicle, so
21:56
Speaker 1: how did she leave? Rolled on right there? I'm gonna
21:59
Speaker 1: pick up right back up with you. But John deal,
22:01
Speaker 1: why do women always face the same stereotype when a
22:04
Speaker 1: woman goes missing. And Cheryl mccollms the one that brought
22:07
Speaker 1: it up, but it's legitimate, you do have to look
22:09
Speaker 1: at it. But it's always she ran off to get
22:11
Speaker 1: shucked up with her boyfriend. That could not be further
22:14
Speaker 1: from the truth. And Michelle Parker's case absolutely, I mean
22:17
Speaker 1: she has obviously it all starts when she's supposed to
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Speaker 1: pick up her son from the bus stop, the eleven
22:23
Speaker 1: year old, and she's not there, way out of the ordinary.
22:26
Speaker 1: Nobody can actually speak to her. That is totally out
22:29
Speaker 1: of the ordinary. She would not be the type and
22:31
Speaker 1: there's nothing in her personality to be flighty to disappear,
22:35
Speaker 1: to not be where she's supposed to be. Again, she
22:37
Speaker 1: has twins, and you know, you know how much work
22:40
Speaker 1: Zad takes. She's not all of a sudden checking out
22:43
Speaker 1: and disappearing. This is absolutely out of character. If she
22:46
Speaker 1: were to disappear, and like Lexman said, it ends up
22:50
Speaker 1: she doesn't have her car or her cell phone, and
22:53
Speaker 1: it would it would be impossible for her. And that's
22:56
Speaker 1: just picked up the left pick up Cheryl and an.
22:58
Speaker 1: So that was my point. She broke habit, she broke routine,
23:01
Speaker 1: and that should be a flag. And the reason you
23:04
Speaker 1: want to look at those things is because when you
23:05
Speaker 1: talk to somebody like her ex, if he were to say, oh,
23:08
Speaker 1: I bet she just ran off with some man, you
23:10
Speaker 1: already know that can't be possible. She has no money,
23:13
Speaker 1: she has no vehicle, she hasn't researched anything, she hasn't
23:17
Speaker 1: used a bank card, she hasn't gotten a hotel room,
23:20
Speaker 1: she hadn't got an airline ticket. Why would he say that.
23:23
Speaker 1: So again, you want all aspects of this thing looked at,
23:27
Speaker 1: so that when you go and talk to the pertinent people,
23:31
Speaker 1: you already have a good idea. If somebody says, well,
23:33
Speaker 1: maybe she was kidnapped, she had been ransomed, like, none
23:37
Speaker 1: of these things are going to pan out. So you
23:39
Speaker 1: basically have a dual investigation. You are working a missing person,
23:43
Speaker 1: but unfortunately you're also working a homicide simultaney. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Bianca Prieto. I'm very focused on the
24:06
Speaker 1: siding on that grainy surveillance video of Michelle Parker's vehicle.
24:12
Speaker 1: Was the rap, the glowtan rap taken off of it
24:17
Speaker 1: at that time. It's really interesting because the last time
24:19
Speaker 1: anybody saw Michelle Parker, that decal was on the back
24:22
Speaker 1: of her vehicle. And at that red light camera when
24:25
Speaker 1: they spotted her hummer, the decals were completely gone. They've
24:29
Speaker 1: been taken off on purpose. Bianca was pretty big, wasn't it.
24:33
Speaker 1: The decals. Oh, the decals covered the entire back a
24:36
Speaker 1: windsheld of her vehicle. And you know hummers are pretty big.
24:39
Speaker 1: This was a sizeable decal on the back of the
24:42
Speaker 1: car that had been removed. And what time did the
24:45
Speaker 1: red light camp spot her vehicle? The red light camera
24:49
Speaker 1: spotted it at night. I'm not recalling exactly the time,
24:52
Speaker 1: but I know that it was. It was dark, and
24:54
Speaker 1: it was the day that she went missing. It was
24:56
Speaker 1: the same day that she went missing. And the red
24:58
Speaker 1: light camera that spotted her vehicle without the decals was
25:02
Speaker 1: on the complete opposite side of town, the opposite direction
25:06
Speaker 1: of where she should have been headed to go to work.
25:08
Speaker 1: But it was in a straight shot from where she
25:10
Speaker 1: had last been seen. I'm just trying to take all
25:13
Speaker 1: of this in. And what time does she drop the
25:16
Speaker 1: children at the fiances she had dropped off the twins
25:19
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. I think it was like around two
25:21
Speaker 1: o'clock something like that. It was in the afternoon during
25:24
Speaker 1: the daytime. No one heard from her, and then all
25:27
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's correct, she dropped the twins off.
25:31
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this is before her son is
25:34
Speaker 1: to be picked up at the bus stop. So she
25:37
Speaker 1: drops the twins off at the fiancee's house, doesn't show
25:41
Speaker 1: up to pick up her son, her eleven year old.
25:44
Speaker 1: At the bus stop. He makes the call to to
25:47
Speaker 1: Avon her mother and who automatically he gets a sense
25:51
Speaker 1: of dread that something is wrong and has happened, and
25:54
Speaker 1: they start trying to reach her at that point in time. So,
25:58
Speaker 1: now let me understand, John w deal joining me out
26:00
Speaker 1: of Orlando. She drops the twins off, and then then
26:06
Speaker 1: it's when she's supposed to go pick up her so
26:08
Speaker 1: at the bus stop. That's great. So between say two
26:11
Speaker 1: o'clock PM and when this photo, this red light photo
26:16
Speaker 1: grabs the image of her vehicle. That's not her in
26:22
Speaker 1: the vehicle. I don't think that's her, do you, John, No, No,
26:25
Speaker 1: I don't. But for many reasons, One, why would she
26:28
Speaker 1: take off, why would she be in that area. First
26:31
Speaker 1: of all, when she's supposed to be at work. There's
26:32
Speaker 1: no reason for her to be down there. Her family's
26:35
Speaker 1: and picking up her son, yeah and her Yeah, exactly.
26:38
Speaker 1: She hasn't picked up her son. Family has tried to
26:41
Speaker 1: reach her. They texted her and she there's a cryptic
26:44
Speaker 1: one word answer because they asked her where are you?
26:47
Speaker 1: And she takes text back Waterford, which is another area
26:50
Speaker 1: of town, not too far but certainly not up to Sanford.
26:54
Speaker 1: And she's not the type to just give a one
26:57
Speaker 1: word text answer, and then she would never that's a
27:01
Speaker 1: big indicator. John W Deal, I'm so glad you brought
27:05
Speaker 1: that up. Cheryl will call him if you notice that
27:07
Speaker 1: when somebody is texting for you, Like sometimes I'll be
27:11
Speaker 1: driving and I'll give the phone to John David because
27:13
Speaker 1: Lucy refuses to send a text from me. And even
27:17
Speaker 1: if I dictated, it comes out all crazy. And you know,
27:21
Speaker 1: because he'll type in full sentences, which I never ever do.
27:25
Speaker 1: I'd like to abbreviate everything, which leads to a lot
27:28
Speaker 1: of misspellings and very unusual spell corrections. But you can
27:32
Speaker 1: tell that's not me. You can tell my same thing here.
27:36
Speaker 1: My kids wouldn't played golf yesterday, and Hug was responding
27:39
Speaker 1: to Caroline's phone for her, and I knew immediately it
27:43
Speaker 1: was him and not her immediately, So yes, you can tell.
27:47
Speaker 1: And her family she was known, of course, vivacious and fun.
27:51
Speaker 1: She would leave text messages that were paragraphs, so for
27:55
Speaker 1: her just to put one word and then not to
27:58
Speaker 1: return in order to get her child was completely uncharacteristic.
28:02
Speaker 1: And again about three flags in one. You know, Cheryl McCollum,
28:06
Speaker 1: you really need to be an investigator and do something
28:09
Speaker 1: like found the Cold Case Research Institute because you're really good.
28:14
Speaker 1: Is that daughter Bethany jumping in? Cheryl is so good.
28:17
Speaker 1: I hate to even follow her in terms of commentary,
28:19
Speaker 1: but I will just say, Nancy, you have the most
28:22
Speaker 1: unique text of anybody I've ever met. Your texts are unmistakable.
28:26
Speaker 1: You can condense an entire paragraph into three alphabet letters
28:30
Speaker 1: and letters of the alphabet. I think that's because you did.
28:33
Speaker 1: You're doing TV for so many years, you're talking on set,
28:37
Speaker 1: you're texting, you're running the entire show, so nobody could
28:40
Speaker 1: ever steal your phone and text for you if you Obviously,
28:44
Speaker 1: I'm going to say the back I think it's actually
28:46
Speaker 1: because of the District Attorney's Office, Doctor Bethany. When I
28:49
Speaker 1: first started, I would answer the phone, good morning, Fulton
28:53
Speaker 1: County District Attorney's Office. This is Assistant distct Attorney Nancy Grace.
28:57
Speaker 1: By the time I was beat down teen years later,
28:58
Speaker 1: I picked fun up and go da, that's what happens.
29:04
Speaker 1: But what do you make of this, doctor Bethany, I
29:06
Speaker 1: think it's very critical. Nancy, Well, I'm gonna say I'm
29:11
Speaker 1: just gonna say the whole, big picture, the whole background
29:15
Speaker 1: is important to this. Remember she was on the People's
29:18
Speaker 1: Court that day. I know we're looking at all the
29:21
Speaker 1: micro permutations of the text. Didn't sound like her. She
29:25
Speaker 1: was the wrong part of pound. She didn't pick up
29:28
Speaker 1: the eleven year old critical, dropped off the three year
29:30
Speaker 1: old twins critical. All of this is critical, But let's
29:34
Speaker 1: remember that she was on a television show that day,
29:39
Speaker 1: very unusual for a lay person who's never been on TV,
29:44
Speaker 1: and that could have built up a whole head of
29:47
Speaker 1: steam somewhere in her life, either on the set, either
29:51
Speaker 1: with her fiance Dale Smith, people she met on the set,
29:55
Speaker 1: people on the bar in the bar who knew she
29:57
Speaker 1: was going this was a bad her day for her,
30:02
Speaker 1: and we have to just see that as a backdrop
30:05
Speaker 1: to all these wonderful clues that Cheryl McCollum is telling
30:09
Speaker 1: us about. Kape, a lady news anchor Orlando Morning News
30:14
Speaker 1: at w d BOY. The two had been on the
30:18
Speaker 1: episode of The People's Coordinate Error the same baby Michelle
30:20
Speaker 1: went missing, So the timing was really really suspicious, and
30:25
Speaker 1: Dell to this day denies he had anything to do
30:27
Speaker 1: with Michelle's disappearance. But I think that you know, Yvon's
30:30
Speaker 1: stance on all this has changed with the time. She
30:33
Speaker 1: seemed to kind of take Dell's story at face value,
30:37
Speaker 1: and Nancy in terms of who could have had Michelle,
30:40
Speaker 1: she was postulated could have been a complete stranger or
30:43
Speaker 1: someone that had come to the bar and maybe was
30:46
Speaker 1: transfixed on her. So she certainly wasn't pointing the finger
30:49
Speaker 1: at Dall at that time. She was just adamant that
30:52
Speaker 1: Michelle was going to be found alive. Time stories with
31:06
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Bianca Prieta, I want to follow up on
31:11
Speaker 1: what happened exactly on the People's Court episode. It's very
31:15
Speaker 1: hard for me to disentangle or separate that appearance. It
31:21
Speaker 1: happens and she goes missing the very same bag. What
31:24
Speaker 1: exactly happened? The two were engaged. Dale and Michelle were engaged,
31:28
Speaker 1: two married. He purchased for her a five thousand dollars
31:31
Speaker 1: engagement ring. At some point they got into an argument.
31:34
Speaker 1: She tossed the ring. Now there's a big fight. They
31:36
Speaker 1: go on to the People's Court, and the People's Court
31:40
Speaker 1: made Dale look not so great. And so the taping
31:44
Speaker 1: had actually happened weeks months prior to her disappearance. But
31:48
Speaker 1: the thing is is that at noon that day the
31:50
Speaker 1: People's Court aired their episode and within hours of that taping,
31:55
Speaker 1: exceeding hours of that airing, Michelle it's gone disappeared. We
32:01
Speaker 1: don't know much that What do you mean? It made
32:03
Speaker 1: him not look too good on the People's Court. The
32:07
Speaker 1: Dale and Michelle were arguing and Dale was upset about
32:10
Speaker 1: the way that he came out looking on it, and
32:13
Speaker 1: I think that's um that day it was just not
32:16
Speaker 1: a good day for Dale or for Michelle. Okay, break
32:20
Speaker 1: it down for me, John W. Dale. What what do
32:22
Speaker 1: you what's your perception of what happened on People's Court. Well,
32:25
Speaker 1: certainly it was a bad experience for Michelle to go
32:27
Speaker 1: to the people's court. Is she didn't even want to
32:30
Speaker 1: be involved in it and had a bad experience on
32:32
Speaker 1: the filming. Uh, the way it came out just showed
32:36
Speaker 1: some of the bad blood between the two of them,
32:40
Speaker 1: and that, like, like Bianca said, it had been aired
32:43
Speaker 1: that day. Again, a couple hours after it's aired, she's
32:47
Speaker 1: over dropping off the children too. The fiance, who obviously
32:51
Speaker 1: she is as an extremely strang expiance, has an extremely
32:54
Speaker 1: strange relationship with So Okay, who let me jump in? Yeah,
33:02
Speaker 1: jump in? Who won? Who said what? Who came out
33:06
Speaker 1: smelling like a rose? And who's stuck like a skunk? Okay,
33:09
Speaker 1: trying to hear the judge basically said, y'all are going
33:10
Speaker 1: to split the cost of the ring. Each one of
33:12
Speaker 1: you is going to pay twenty five hundred. What came
33:15
Speaker 1: sounds fair to me, It sounds fair. What came out
33:19
Speaker 1: was that he's a cheater, that he's put his hands
33:23
Speaker 1: on her. So again, most men would tell you any
33:27
Speaker 1: man who say that that's putting perfume on the pig
33:30
Speaker 1: put his hands on her on the shoulder. No, that's
33:34
Speaker 1: not go ahead, that's the truth. But that's that's the quote.
33:38
Speaker 1: She used, He should not have put his hands on me.
33:40
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that's one of those things that
33:42
Speaker 1: came out that he had been abusive to her physically.
33:45
Speaker 1: So again, for a man, any man would tell you
33:48
Speaker 1: in order, you know, for you to put your hands
33:50
Speaker 1: on a woman, you're a punk. You're just a piece
33:52
Speaker 1: of crap. So it made him ultimately look bad. People
33:55
Speaker 1: weren't even talking about the ring. They weren't interested in
33:58
Speaker 1: the ring. They were interested in and his treatment of her.
34:01
Speaker 1: And you didn't have one affair, you had seven with
34:05
Speaker 1: different women, So he probably had a few other women
34:08
Speaker 1: mad at him. So a lot of dirty laundry was
34:11
Speaker 1: put out there so the day, So what deal? He
34:15
Speaker 1: had seven affairs while they were together, Yes, ma'am, and
34:20
Speaker 1: that and several affairs, And who would want to sleep
34:23
Speaker 1: with a guy that's had seven affairs during the relations
34:26
Speaker 1: You might as well just go out and go out
34:28
Speaker 1: and jump in the cesspool if you can do that, Okay.
34:31
Speaker 1: I don't care about who he's been with or who
34:34
Speaker 1: he dated during their relationship. I don't care about her
34:38
Speaker 1: throwing the ring when he wanted it back. It sounds
34:40
Speaker 1: like an amicable settlement. Each one pays for half of it.
34:44
Speaker 1: But you know what I always say, when you don't
34:46
Speaker 1: know a horse, look at his track record. I can
34:50
Speaker 1: hear everybody on the panel rolling their eyes, but you
34:53
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, Tyler, please run cut twenty two.
34:59
Speaker 1: This is little at today dot com cut twenty two.
35:04
Speaker 1: On September fifteenth of two thousand, Shannon was treated at
35:06
Speaker 1: a South Carolina hospital for head injuries and Smith was
35:10
Speaker 1: arrested for criminal domestic battery. I remember when she came home.
35:13
Speaker 1: There was a cut on her head and her fate
35:16
Speaker 1: were cut up and it was through I think it
35:22
Speaker 1: was through some concrete where she had been. I don't
35:25
Speaker 1: know if she was dragged or what, but her fate
35:27
Speaker 1: were bloody. In a military court, Smith was convicted of
35:31
Speaker 1: domestic battery and diruct possession and was dishonorably discharged from
35:35
Speaker 1: the Marines. When Shannon died, Smith was still serving time
35:38
Speaker 1: for both charges, and that was not the first time
35:41
Speaker 1: he had run ins with the law. In nineteen ninety two,
35:44
Speaker 1: Smith fled no contest to attempted aggravated battery after a
35:47
Speaker 1: fight in Orlando. He was given two years probation. In
35:50
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, He pleaded guilty to battery charges and
35:53
Speaker 1: served jail time. In two thousand and nine, Michelle Parker
35:56
Speaker 1: filed a restraining order against Dale Smith, which a judge
35:59
Speaker 1: later isolved. So we see a track record of the fiance,
36:06
Speaker 1: Dale Smith Junior. Now let me stress for the tenth time,
36:11
Speaker 1: he has not been arrested in the case a Michelle Parker.
36:16
Speaker 1: She is still missing. So he has not been arrested,
36:20
Speaker 1: he has not been found guilty. He's not been in
36:23
Speaker 1: a court of law on this matter. We're not in
36:26
Speaker 1: a courtroom right now. We're in a TV set to
36:32
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Just because he's had acts of violence
36:38
Speaker 1: against another woman does not mean he's culpable in this case.
36:42
Speaker 1: But it does give me a lot of insight. What
36:45
Speaker 1: is a malignant narcissist you are telling me about that
36:48
Speaker 1: earlier off air. A belignant narcissist is a very important
36:52
Speaker 1: term in my field. It means that this is a
36:55
Speaker 1: narcissist who wants to destroy everything around him when he
37:01
Speaker 1: feels humiliated. So if somebody breaks up with him, he
37:06
Speaker 1: wants to destroy her life. If you're a boss, a
37:10
Speaker 1: CEO of a company and somebody humiliates you, you want
37:14
Speaker 1: to fire them from their job. It's the person. It's
37:18
Speaker 1: like a little kid who's not winning the game, so
37:20
Speaker 1: they just smash all the toys and you know, walk
37:23
Speaker 1: off the playground. It's the adult version of that. In fact, Nancy,
37:28
Speaker 1: there's a saying in my field about sociopaths and narcissist
37:33
Speaker 1: death before dishonor homicide after humiliation, and what that means
37:39
Speaker 1: is that they have a narcissistic collapse, meaning they feel
37:43
Speaker 1: ashamed and bad about themselves. They could be really vulnerable
37:46
Speaker 1: to suicide, but if they feel that somebody else has
37:50
Speaker 1: humiliated them, they could be vulnerable to lashing out in
37:55
Speaker 1: very destructive, almost even sometimes homicidal ways. Look up Prieto,
38:01
Speaker 1: former Orlando Sentinel crime and justice reporter Bianca the cell
38:05
Speaker 1: phone was ultimately found, Where was it and what if
38:10
Speaker 1: anything could be gleaned from her cell phone? Michelle saw
38:15
Speaker 1: which was really unique, had a unique case on. It
38:17
Speaker 1: was sound tossed over a bridge under about three or
38:21
Speaker 1: four feet of water. And if you're looking at a
38:23
Speaker 1: map of Orlando, it's a straight shot from the area
38:26
Speaker 1: where she was last seen dropping off the Twins, direct
38:29
Speaker 1: shot into where her car was found, so divers recovered
38:33
Speaker 1: that phone and they took a look at it. But
38:37
Speaker 1: it's interesting where the cell phone was actually found. Why
38:41
Speaker 1: do you say that it showed the path. It shows
38:43
Speaker 1: the path of where she could her belongings. I won't
38:47
Speaker 1: say she went, but where her belongings went from one
38:50
Speaker 1: end of Orlando to the other side. It's just a
38:53
Speaker 1: straight shot. You look at the map and it's a
38:56
Speaker 1: straight shot tossed over a bridge into a body of
38:58
Speaker 1: water on the side of towns. Last compute a lad
39:02
Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando Morning News at w DBO. Where does
39:07
Speaker 1: the case stand. I mean, they're doing anything they can,
39:10
Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is is that the
39:12
Speaker 1: one suspect, deal Smith, isn't Howcket pleading the fifth. They
39:16
Speaker 1: really have kind of hit an investigative wall with this guy.
39:21
Speaker 1: So there they keep putting the word out if anybody
39:24
Speaker 1: saw anything that could possibly tie him or another person
39:28
Speaker 1: for the crime. But they're trying to throw mud against
39:31
Speaker 1: the wall right now to see if anything will stick.
39:33
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look like they're much closer to solving
39:36
Speaker 1: this crime than they were, you know, just shortly after
39:39
Speaker 1: it happened, and the well sort of dried up with
39:42
Speaker 1: the evidence. John w Dial, Where does the case stand
39:47
Speaker 1: right now or it stands right now? Is that Unfortunately
39:51
Speaker 1: there's no closure. The body has not been found, there's
39:54
Speaker 1: not been a charge against mister Smith, who was never prosecuted.
39:58
Speaker 1: It is an open case obviously with nobody it's very
40:03
Speaker 1: difficult to prosecute. Still and Miss Stewart still feels every
40:09
Speaker 1: day wondering, wondering what happened, wondering if there's some some
40:14
Speaker 1: off chance that maybe her daughter's out there somewhere but
40:17
Speaker 1: she's you know, that's not a real realistic hope at
40:20
Speaker 1: this point. If you have information, or you think you
40:23
Speaker 1: may know something, please dial eight hundred four two three
40:28
Speaker 1: tips Tips. That's eight hundred four two three eight four
40:35
Speaker 1: seven seven. Nancy Grace Clime story signing off, goodbye friend,