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Vitamin C & Breast Cancer · Intellectual Medicine

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So what we usually do, Laura, Laura is with me today, guys.
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Thanks for tuning in. I'm dr.
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Steve had already. This is intellectual medicine.
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The drip bar, and this is our informational daughter calls
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Gina podcast by golly. We have a podcast is behind the
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scenes today, because I have war with me, and Laura is a
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fascinating human, being intelligent woman, who has had
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breast cancer, and is now doing things that you'll be hearing
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about over the next few minutes. Tell prevent it from coming
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back. It's part of our theoretical
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approach to what we call secondary prevention, which
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we're going to talk about today. Why?
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Because we want to talk about covid, that's like, right up to
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here already. Look, I understand.
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It's tragic. It's happening.
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We're doing what we can social distancing.
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Wash your hands. Here's the problem.
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We got nothing. There's nothing to do to fight
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this disease. They've sent us to war with,
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with squirt guns, and pool noodles.
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We have nothing and it's discussed.
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It's discouraging, you know, so you were a mask when you're out
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and about only in the grocery store.
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So the grocery store, the masking masking has been
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colossal in Hong Kong in South Korea where the culture is such
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that they routinely mask and they have a Ride that to a
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reduction in cases in Hong Kong which is seven point.
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Four million people jammed and a little space kind of like
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Manhattan and they've had really minimal transmission.
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The problem is you can't get, I'm asking you will not be able
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to get a mask for the foreseeable future.
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You know why? It would hear the massive story.
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It's fascinating. I'll tell you, yes, so the u.s.
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Manufacturer of masks during the last pandemic, which was H1N1
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around. Nine got a surge of demand.
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They ramped up their Factory. They hired 150 people.
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They bought all the equipment and they started knocking on
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masks, like crazy us produce. One of the biggest, then the
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pandemic went away. And you know what happened?
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Everybody went back and bought their cheap Mass from Mexico and
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China. And the company that ramped up
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like that almost went bankrupt. And at the time, they were
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saying this is wrong, because in a pandemic, every country takes
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care of their own. That's why we can't get masks.
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And that's why you can't just make them because you have to
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build equipment. You've got to hire staff.
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It takes a while to ramp up. So now we do the shield thing
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like the, you know, the cowboy scarf over the mouth, right?
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We know that doesn't work as well as a surgical mask that's
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been proven to research studies. We don't know if it works at
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all, but here are some details. Folks, if you're going to wear a
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scarf, remember it gets dirty. It's like your underwear, you
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use it in your washer. You do no more than one per day.
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You don't stick it in your purse and we're going out again
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tomorrow or your pocket. Here's another detail.
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Do not touch it. If you touch it.
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It's contaminated. And now there's a contaminated
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but it's always damp environment that can reproduce very ons and
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put them closer to your mouth. So don't touch it.
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And if you do wash hands, I think the The Mask may have some
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value if used properly, but we're going to segue a little
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bit from that. Because look, we're doing our
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best, the covid-19. It pandemic will go away, but
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heart disease, cancer, and dementia will not.
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And when you're fighting these, chronic illnesses, you know,
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your immune system is already knocked down a Peg and you've
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got to build it back up and that's partly the reason why I
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want. All my patients battling chronic
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conditions to be more conscientious keeping your
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immune system working. The risk factor for death from
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any cause the number one risk factor for any disease cancer,
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heart disease, dementia. Stage number one risk factor the
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number one risk factor for dying from Call of Duty age.
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What do they have in common? What is it about aging?
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That makes us more at risk. We believe there are a couple of
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variables. One of them is an accumulation
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of toxins lead and cadmium and others corrode the body over
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time. The second one is a depletion of
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the might of the micronutrient environment to hormonal
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environment and also mitochondrial health and
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well-being. Being so we restore those things
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on the drip bars. We're doing Shield IV infusions
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that are intended to support immune function that have zinc
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and have vitamin C in them. Those are helpful in giving the
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immune system, what it needs to work properly.
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But let's turn for a moment. Laura has faced the devastating
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disease of breast cancer. Speaking of pandemics.
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It is really one out of eight women in.
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Will suffer breast cancer at some point in their lives.
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That's shockingly high and it's different in America than in
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other countries. The Rachel lower, you know, why
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is that we're not certain, and they have something to do with
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the way that we live and eat those toxins.
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We spoke about. One of them is cadmium, cadmium
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is a heavy metal, that's known to be carcinogenic it
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accumulates in the body. And it's been correlated with
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prostate and with breast cancer. Another factor in America is the
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pandemic of obesity. Access adiposity, fat.
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Growth increases cancer risk, especially breast, prostate
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thyroid pancreas long about 18 different ones.
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So even if you have no risk factors, if you do everything
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right, like Laura, does you live healthy?
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You exercise, you each smart? You everything right?
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It can happen. So, how is it diagnosed made in
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you? What was the first clue?
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That I had breast cancer. Yes.
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I felt it. So, you felt the lump and at
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that point and that was how long ago.
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August of 18, so August of 18 and coming up on 22 years old.
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It'll be two years this August and time you felt it had been
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mammograms happening on a regular basis or is it so the
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year before the mammogram was performed.
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Did they see that lump on the mammogram know?
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So there's our take-home Point folks, mammograms are certainly
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not infallible there, a flood study that might have some value
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but is not something you can. And I still like doing.
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I like women doing self breast exams.
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I think a monthly self breast exam just makes sense.
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It actually is being discouraged by some authorities.
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They feel that you don't know how to do it.
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Right? You'll just screw it up.
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I mean, how can you mess that up?
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Pretty high? It's like so.
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So you fell for long, what happened next called you.
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And then after that, Got diagnosed went for a Mr. Breast
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sonogram, right? Which led to a breast MRI, which
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then led me to be diagnosed that it was in both breasts.
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Okay. So the MRI showed evidence of
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cancer in both sides when we examine you, we noted the lump
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on one side and then that work up.
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How did they know to do the MRI both process?
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That's not common. So let's talk about that.
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Moment because the point of diagnosis that had a sense off
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like a sense of urgency. Like let's get this done fast,
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correct. And there was also, though, a
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need to go more slowly to get information.
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Yes, because I remember, they were both, right?
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Yes. I wasn't operate until the end
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of October and September was nothing but Taps.
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Okay, that must have been, it was really thrilling.
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So the First Sometimes what happens?
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And so there's a point here, folks, when you discover a new
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problem in the absence of a life-and-death circumstance.
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You have more time than you think.
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We'll talk about that in a minute that breast cancer was
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likely there for years before the lump occurred.
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We're going to talk about that and why it connects to what
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you're doing now. So the point to our listeners is
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that take a breath, get information.
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So you're going to see the first stock at the time.
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Yes. Was there.
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A recommendation for surgery at the first visit.
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Yes, there was a very minor surgery.
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Okay, so that you have the lump referral was made to a surgeon.
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Yes, and the surgeon want to do an operation.
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Yes, and you could have booked that operation that day,
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correct. Did you book a bed?
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Yeah, I went for a second opinion.
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She went for a second opinion, but you were nervous and you
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were like chomping on the bit. Yes, why don't you book it that
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day? Because I wanted a second
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opinion. I wanted to make sure that I was
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doing the right thing or have you always been this assertive.
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I love that right? We call this medical
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assertiveness because here's something, right.
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We're expert, doctors are experts.
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We know medicine. Who's the greatest expert about
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your body about you. Well, you are you having this in
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an eight cents? That folks have about their own
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health, but their own well-being and you certainly know
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philosophically and we'll talk more about that.
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So you had the presence of mind to slow everything down get a
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second opinion, which I always recommend.
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And that second opinion, by the way.
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It shouldn't be the main surgeon partner.
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It should be a completely separate Watershed.
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So here's one of the things that that I always recommend that you
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consider is Being outside of the pond where the diagnosis being
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rendered. What's happened in medicine.
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I'm going to tutorial eyes for a second.
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It's become vertically integrated.
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What does that mean? It means that the primary care
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doctor, the surgeon, the hospital, the x-ray technician,
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the Radiology suite are all part of the same company.
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That's not intrinsically evil. But there is kind of a built-in
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conflict of interest of sorts, right?
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If I am a primary care doctor and I work for medicine ink, And
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I'm routinely referring people out to other hospitals.
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How long do you think I'm going to stay employed?
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That could be a cause of some consternation by the people who
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are signing my check. What's wrong with our surgeons?
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They may say, well nothing. I just like getting other
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opinions. Oh, do you?
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So my point is that, if you know that it's not wrong.
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It's not bad. And there's some value in
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familiarity. There's also a risk, right?
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So my patients ask Ask me, who are my friends?
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And doctors and I tell my I have no dr.
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Franz, it's not. I like my colleagues.
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They're wonderful people when I'm advocating for a patient.
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I don't care other than where you need to go.
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And in my opinion, when you have time, we live in the Northeast,
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and you have Mass General, and you've got Sloan-Kettering, and
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you've got some of the finest centers in the world and our
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backyard. That's correct.
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No knock on the local team. They're quite excellent.
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But you ended up getting a second.
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Would you get your second opinion?
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That's General went to Mass General.
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That doesn't stink. You look if King fayeed from
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Saudi Arabia could fly your for it.
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It's good enough for me at least getting the opinion.
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Yes, and you know getting a second opinion is great, but you
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can get a third opinion and most insurances are going to pay for
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multiple opinions. When you have a difficult
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diagnosis like cancer until there's alignment, until they're
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saying the same thing. What was the opinion in
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mastering tools? Is the same as the one
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initially. Lee.
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Okay, and then they did more tests which led to more tests
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which led to the final diagnosis.
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What made them do? The more testings that part of
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their routine. Okay, so they had a different
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approach. Yes.
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Alright. So there you are.
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The diagnosis is now by golly both sides.
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I guess you felt comforted to run word satisfy that you'd
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pushed forward and got another opinion.
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Yes, and they with sorrow so I was very comfortable.
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What happened. Next.
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They operated. What kind of surgery do?
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They do? Double mastectomy.
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Okay, whereas it would have just been on one side to me and the
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cancer on the other side will distilled in there.
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They didn't say it and see it. You can't see it.
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We don't look for it. And herein lies one of the
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caveats team, just because you can't see, it doesn't mean it's
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not there. There's tumors.
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And there's cancer cells and those to a different players
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unless we see it. We can't operate on it and they
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were able to see it through the Mr. Yes.
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They 3D 3D. Okay.
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So surgery happens one of the treatment.
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Do they do either? Do they do any chemotherapy
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before surgery? Okay.
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No, and I had no chemotherapy after just radiation.
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So the local radiation. Yes, and they decided not to
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Chemo, they just felt based upon the cell type that it wouldn't
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be totally effective. It be a saint as effective as
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hormone therapy. Okay, so is an equivalency, you
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know, years ago, not that long ago.
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Chemotherapy was almost Universal.
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What we have found since, and this is where your oncologist
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coming. I am a family physician and my
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specialty and background, is in complementary, support to fight
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cancer, including intravenous vitamin C, which will be talking
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about in a moment, but you always You have an oncologist
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part of your team because they're fun of knowledge is
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different and complements. The knowledge of people like me
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and your family doc. So what we've learned about
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breast cancer is that not all cell types benefit from
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chemotherapy and some women back.
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Then we're getting chemotherapy without net benefit.
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We just didn't know it at the time.
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So recommended hormone therapy and sent your home on hormone
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blocking treatment after Or I had the radiation.
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Okay, so radiation and your breast cancer was hormone
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receptor positive. Yes.
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So, that means that the cells are sensitive to estrogen and
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progesterone. And that, we believe the
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estrogen and progesterone can make the cancer more likely to
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return. So, the next step in treatment
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is to give you a prescription drugs that block estrogen
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production, correct and blocking estrogen production has been
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proven. Ian to diminish, the risk of
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relapse in five years and five years because I usually do it
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for five years. Five years.
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Why did they only do it for five years?
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Well, it's got consequences and some of those consequences you
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feel. So you want on this, you know,
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after the surgery after the radiation, some of my patients
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who have been through cancer complete their treatment, get
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through their chemo. And then they're discharged,
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they kind of feel a little bit let down.
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Oh, yeah. Did that happen?
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Yes, talk about that. Well, I would go back and I'd
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ask. What are the signs?
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How do I know this is gone? And they said, well, if you have
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persistent pain for two weeks, go see your primary care
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physician because I felt there was nothing I could do to help
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prevent this from coming back other than take the hormone
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blocker and that leaves a lot of in.
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That's a common feeling. It's a sense of emptiness.
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That's it. I wait, and I wait for the
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others. You to drive.
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Did you go on the internet and search for stuff like that?
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Might help cancer. Did you Google that?
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You're really need to because she had me, that's right.
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That's exactly where I was going.
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So slow. We've been together a long time,
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like it's been years. Yes.
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I six years five or six years. In Laura's part of my primary
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care practice. I'm very honored to have her
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part of that family and also take part taking now and
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secondary prevention. So let's focus a little bit on
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this sort of post-treatment phenomenon.
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The problem, one of the problems with cancer is the only way that
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exist for conventional. One of the primary ways to
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follow this up in conventional medicine, is imagery you come
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back every so often. Do they have a plan image, you
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know, because there's nothing, nothing image, nothing image.
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So if the cancer, that's if the cancer comes back, let's talk
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about breast cancer. More specifically, when the
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cancer comes back. If it comes back, it doesn't
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necessarily come back to the other breast.
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Although it. Can, it can go anywhere?
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They talk about pain when they're talking about this bone.
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You get breast cancer coming back to the Bone.
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That's a bad outcome. That's a terminal disease State.
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It's not curable. It can go back into the brain
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and to the liver to the other organs.
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So what do you do? You can image the whole body
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every three months that you glow in the dark from radiation.
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So they just wait. Wait you wait that's not
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unreasonable. But now we've got other tools
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and other options. And here's the tough part.
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We talked earlier about covid, about the lack of proof of any
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intervention. What we're about to talk about
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lacks proof of absolute benefit. It is not FDA approved.
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It's not been shown to diminish. The rate of cancer relapse.
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But there's a certain logic is a science and rationale behind it.
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That makes sense. So let's talk about cancer on a
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cellular level, every Cancer starts on a cellular level.
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What that means is you can see it.
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You can feel it. You don't know what today are
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it? Just growing while you wait.
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It's called doubling time. One cell becomes two cells and
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that's the beginning. And this.
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Time can take as little as two weeks.
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And, as long as 90 days or longer, depending on the type of
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cancer breast cancer seems to be in the 30 to 60-day range.
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Although, nobody knows with certainty.
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You know, what that doubling time is what?
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We know it exists. So now we got a doubling time
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and now 1 becomes 2, 2 becomes 4 Etc.
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There's an exponential growth of ever.
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Spend an afternoon with a financial advisor, remember
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those guys and they show you that curve.
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Well, you know, dr. Federal review starts.
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Saving now at age yet Whatever, by the time your 103 you'll be a
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billionaire. Like I don't know.
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This isn't going to work for me because I don't like saving
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money, like spending money. That's all whether it's a whole
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other philosophy. But the same Dynamic occurs.
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It sells. Now it takes about 30 doubling
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times for a tumor to get that big.
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I'm showing you the tip of my pen, right?
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Proximately a centimeter diameter.
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Doubling times if your average doubling time is in the
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neighborhood of 60 60 days that can be 7 to 10 years.
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So it's quite likely that Laura's cancer.
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Was there seven to ten years ago starting on a cellular level.
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Undetectable, by the time it gets to be 1.
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Cm however, how long does it take to go from 1 cm to to the
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answer is one doubling time? How about from two to four
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another doubling time? So you can see that?
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Exponential part begins. Now, the tumors are gone.
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That's good news. Yes.
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Is the cancer going. The Five-Year relapse rate for
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stage 1. Breast cancer is exceedingly low
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somewhere on the order of 98 to 99 percent.
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Cure rate defined as a five-year relapse, or as a young woman,
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five-year relapse in our world is a nice start, right?
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We're not we're not we're not popping the Cork and declaring
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Victory. It was a very important study
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was done in the New England Journal published in the New
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England Journal of Medicine within the past two years.
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And it looked at the delayed relapse rate of breast cancer
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after 5 years, what happened stage, 1 breast, cancer stage.
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One, by the way, is not what you had yours was staged to be stage
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one. Is that love back to me?
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It's that little tiny recorded. Early, aren't you?
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Lucky? All we have to do is cut that
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out and you're going to be good to go.
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And your 5-year relapse. Rate is like almost
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non-existent, especially for Travis hormone go out ten years.
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The relapse rate is now ten percent.
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That's one out of 10 with Stage 1, breast cancer, when they go
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beyond and you look down the road.
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So that 45 55 60 year old woman. It's 10, 15 years later.
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They have pain. They go see their primary care.
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Doctor. I'm sorry, a metastatic disease
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older. Skeleton, what happened?
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Those cells dispersed like, like dandelion seeds in the summer
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and they started doubling where they landed cellular disease.
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No, treatment for it. What we're going to be talking
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about is not proven. It just makes sense.
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And we need to execute to learn. So, it drink bar we have what we
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refer to as a secondary prevention protocol, not
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FDA-approved not proven in research studies to actually
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diminish the risk of relapse. So why do we do it?
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We do it because it's safe and because of Studies have shown
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that. High-dose intravenous vitamin C
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can be toxic toward cancer. We've seen it in, in vitro,
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studies, in vitro means in a Petri dish.
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So, what they do in a Petri dish is a take cancer cells different
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types. And they've done this with many,
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many kinds of cancer and they expose it to vitamin C and they
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watch the cancer cells die. That's kind of cool.
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We'll work in a button, a human body.
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Then they look at animals and we see some similar outcomes.
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Then we look at human beings and what we call case studies.
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A case study, ladies and gentlemen is simply one patient
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like Laura deciding to do a certain treatment and then you
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observe what happens case studies have had some favorable
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outcomes, which regard to relapse the longevity.
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They are not proof of outcome. The proof of outcome requires.
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Years and formal study. We hope to be accumulating.
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That in fact, we are at drip bar.
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We are starting to track Laura and others who have had cancer.
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Have had it removed and treated and are now tumor free.
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And then we do once a month, a high dose vitamin C infusion is
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what our protocol calls for. The theory is that if you've got
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a thousand cancer cells in your body and you're trying to double
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the high dose, vitamin As a potential to kill some of them
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and prevent them from ever gaining a head of steam.
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We believe that the cancer cells are more vulnerable before they
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coalesce into a tumor. When the cancer forms into a
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tumor. It could be harder to penetrate
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do nulls almost like a defense mechanism.
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So, presently, Laura's tumor free.
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Feeling pretty good. Yes, a lot of no pain, no gain
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and really no Imaging happening. No.
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Because there is none to be done.
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So we move forward with this. Wait, you've got to shrink that
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and Laura's on a good path towards that.
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This is something called The Ivy Gene.
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It's called a liquid biopsy. I'm going to hold it up in a
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second. This is not commonly used.
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Your oncologist. Typically doesn't use this
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because cellular evidence in ink evidence of increasing cancer at
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a cellular level is not a basis for reinstituting treatment.
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It's simply not standard of care.
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So even if we do a blood biopsy, and we see evidence of the
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cancer cells, kind of maturing and growing.
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The oncology treatments do not apply to that, but functional
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and complementary care may have a role in that.
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Setting know, this test was done.
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I've got a date of your was July 2018.
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We like to do these in some cases once a year and it comes
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back and Report. Thusly, it's a one-page report
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and it has a quantitative numeric score.
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It's called The Ivy Gene score. If it's above 20, it's
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considered an Abnormal range of it's below, it's considered in a
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normal range, like any tests like Laura's mammogram from
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years ago. It's not perfect.
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Has to be interpreted with caution in July of 2019.
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Laura's test score was 21 that a panic moment.
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It wasn't 19. It wasn't below the threshold.
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It's a number, you know, doesn't change anything, but it gives us
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a metric so that we can look at it again in July and get a sense
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about, you know, where things are going.
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The healthy blood called the blood biopsy may have some
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value. Ultimately.
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We're not going to know until it's 10 years from now, and
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Laura feels great. And then we're still not going
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to know, was it a coincidence? So here's what Laura is risking
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by doing vitamin C. Once a month time and money.
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You could be wasting both everything about the could be a
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waste of your time and money. Maybe this will never come back.
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Pure coincidence. It's not though.
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You know, why? It's not and I get back to
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because you're doing something that's right, you doing
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something. And it's not just waiting and
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not just waiting and it's not in the absence of evidence.
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I want to say we don't have proof of outcome, but we don't
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lack evidence. Vitamin C has been studied,
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hundreds of studies looking at its impact on cancer.
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So I feel very confident with it.
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Safety its mechanism of action. It seems to work by converting
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to hydrogen peroxide, which is toxic to cancer.
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Close but safe for human cells, therefore to a reasonable thing
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to consider. It's not a requirement, but it
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can be considered in some patients will do this while
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they're getting chemotherapy that more aggressive forms of
28:04
cancer, you know, in future podcasts will look at other
28:07
types of cancers and other stages because we're
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passionately aspiring to help all of our patients not only
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live longer but look better. Believe this can be a part of
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it. And part of that really means
28:20
psychologically. I know, if I were told I had
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prostate cancer tomorrow. I wouldn't do any conventional
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treatments. I don't believe.
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They have value personally based on my research, but it would
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want to sit there and do nothing.
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Yes. You were on the hormone therapy
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hormone therapy is proven to diminish the risk of relapse.
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Yes, but you stopped it felt terrible.
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Okay. I'm going to be your.
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I'm going to be room colleges for a minute.
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Are you out of your Find the cancer could come back.
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You realize that your risk of cancer, relapsing just increase
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and no quality of life. I'm tired all the time.
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It's affecting me. Terribly.
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Did you talk to your Doc's about the adverse quality of life
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issues? And what was your recommendation
29:04
that goes with that? Just goes with it.
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You have to grin and bear it and that is not wrong advice.
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It's just a philosophical perspective, the oncologist.
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Just really measure the value of what they're doing on whether or
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not the cancer comes back. There's less focus on this isn't
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Universal and oncologists are really good, you know,
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heartwarming human beings and you've had great tax rate and
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they are really caring. Yes, then giving you great
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advice and you haven't chosen to take that advice up until a
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point, right? And this goes back to that level
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of assertiveness. You had to make a decision
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between how you're feeling. And the value that you are
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acquiring, did they tell you how much that risk would go up by?
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Not taking it? They did not.
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Okay. Did you ask them?
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No?