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Patriots Unfiltered at the Combine 3/3: Spotlighting the WR/TE Prospects, Mark Schofield on QB Prospects · Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 1: From the twenty twenty three NFL Combine. This is Patriots unfiltered.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, it's Dus Lazarre and we are back
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Speaker 1: again here on Friday from Indianapolis at the NFL scouting Combine. Evan,
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Speaker 1: today we heard from the quarterbacks, the wide receivers, and
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Speaker 1: the tight ends. It's an exciting day. I mean, let's
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Speaker 1: face it, this is it. The Patriots need a wide receiver,
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Speaker 1: then you need it. They could use a tight end
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Speaker 1: long term. You know, some questions there as that as
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Speaker 1: far as that goes. But I saw a number of
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Speaker 1: good players today and we should tease too. We're going
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Speaker 1: to focus here mostly on the wide receivers and tight ends.
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Speaker 1: If you want to hear about quarterbacks, we had guess
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Speaker 1: Mark Schofield from sp Nation. Come on, he has a
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Speaker 1: quarterback guru. He knows everything about these guys. We talked
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Speaker 1: to Mark about mac Jones about last year, about what
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Speaker 1: he expects this year. A lot of great stuff. So
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Speaker 1: if you want to hear about the quarterbacks, go on
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Speaker 1: to the end. We're going to focus here though on
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Speaker 1: the wide receivers and the tight ends. So Evan, you
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Speaker 1: know what is your big you know, just overall takeaway today,
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Speaker 1: starting with the wide receivers well first and foremost. I
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Speaker 1: did an interview with Macro, Patriots director of player personnel
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Speaker 1: that's up on patriot dot com right now, and he
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Speaker 1: said to me that with the playmaker positions, you either
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Speaker 1: have to invest high draft capital or cap space, and
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Speaker 1: these guys they don't come cheap anymore. You know that
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Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what he said. And I
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Speaker 1: think when you look at this draft, it's another draft
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Speaker 1: where using a top fifty pick on a wide receiver
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Speaker 1: or maybe a tight end, which we can get into
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Speaker 1: here in a second as well, is where the Patriots
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Speaker 1: are at. And I understand the optics of that for
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Speaker 1: the Patriots and their history at that position and maybe
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Speaker 1: wanting to go through the veteran market. But we were
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Speaker 1: talking about this off the air yesterday, trying to go
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Speaker 1: through the options in the veteran market and nothing appealing.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing great unless one of these guys really comes
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Speaker 1: available that you know, a Jerry Judy or te Higgins
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Speaker 1: or somebody like that. Because the contract negotiations. My guests
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Speaker 1: would be why that would be the situation. But I
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Speaker 1: don't think their teams. Currently, the Bengals and the Broncos
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Speaker 1: have big plans to move on from either one of
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Speaker 1: those guys. So I could be wrong about that. It's
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Speaker 1: not inside information, it's just the feeling after talking to
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Speaker 1: them here the other day. So looking at this draft,
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Speaker 1: I think you're looking at taking another stab at it, right,
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Speaker 1: Throwing another dart got you gotta And I think at
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Speaker 1: this point in time, you know, I always compare this
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Speaker 1: draft of the twenty nineteen draft because more of the
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Speaker 1: receiving talent that ended up panning out in the league
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Speaker 1: when in the second and third rounds instead of the
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Speaker 1: first round. But with this draft, I can promise you
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Speaker 1: that a couple of these guys are going to pan
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Speaker 1: out to being really good NFL players. That's just how
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Speaker 1: it works, whether they're drafted in the top ten or
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Speaker 1: or you know, in the third round, right, somebody is
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Speaker 1: going to end up being the A. J. Brown, Deebo,
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Speaker 1: Samuel DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin of this draft. And eventually
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Speaker 1: Patriot's got to hit on one of these guys eventually,
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Speaker 1: like you, they need it. And so I want to
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Speaker 1: start at the top. You know a guy that I
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Speaker 1: think we, you know, kind of agreement on at least
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Speaker 1: early Quentin Johnston certainly a physical specimen. We saw him
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Speaker 1: walking around. Big guy is straight speed outside receiver primarily
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Speaker 1: not you know, I've been banging quickness inside. But an
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Speaker 1: interesting day, I think, especially for you getting to hear
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Speaker 1: from him, getting to talk to him a little bit.
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Speaker 1: My mind's a little bit swayed. It's a little bit swayed, Eldrich,
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Speaker 1: You'll be happy about that. I think the one thing
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Speaker 1: that you can see with Quentin Johnston, let me start
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Speaker 1: with why I wasn't high on him to begin with,
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Speaker 1: and now we can kind of explain it from there.
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Speaker 1: The two things that really show up on his film
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Speaker 1: are one, he's not a very good separator at the
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Speaker 1: top of the route at the break point. He's not
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Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna sink and then create separation like a
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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison might on a route going
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Speaker 1: over the middle or something like that. So you're really
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Speaker 1: talking about a linear athlete that operates on a vertical
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Speaker 1: route tree, So we're talking about verticals, fades, posts, things
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Speaker 1: like that. And then maybe like a hitch to keep
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Speaker 1: defensive backs honest, right, and I think that the route
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Speaker 1: tree that you look at if you want to see
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Speaker 1: a guy that's panned out in this mold, it's like
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Speaker 1: a Dez Bryant, right, who ran literally three routes his
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Speaker 1: entire career. It was a vertical, it was a slant,
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Speaker 1: and it was a hitch like. Those were the three
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Speaker 1: routes he ran. But he was dominantly good at those
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Speaker 1: three routes and he was able to make up where
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Speaker 1: I think DK metcalf is another guy that's in a
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Speaker 1: similar situation. So that's why I had some reservations about
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Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson. There's also the issues with his hands. He's
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Speaker 1: had some drops on his tape and he's not at
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Speaker 1: his high six foot three, six foot four. This is
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Speaker 1: not DeVante Parker like. He's not a contested catch receiver.
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Speaker 1: He's more of a burner. Now, with all that being said,
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Speaker 1: it was very, very impressive at the podium, which I
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Speaker 1: thought was great. Very confident but cool, not like overconfident
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Speaker 1: or cocky, but just a really good swagger about him.
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Speaker 1: And I think the other thing is you start to
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Speaker 1: look at some of these guys in this draft, I
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Speaker 1: think the one guy where I can say a defensive
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Speaker 1: coordinator might lose some sleep at night thinking about the
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Speaker 1: matchup against this guy, or they might have to leave
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Speaker 1: that safety over the top and take him out of
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Speaker 1: the middle of the field, or the guy that's going
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Speaker 1: to impact teams the most. Turned from a game plan perspective,
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Speaker 1: it's probably Johnston if he pans out in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: because these other guys are more of the R type
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Speaker 1: of guys, these separation quick, you know, twitchy slot receiver
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Speaker 1: types that aren't necessarily going to demand double teams or
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Speaker 1: extra attention or coverage being rotated over to them, or
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Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. So the other three guys
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Speaker 1: kind of next on the list, say Flowers of course,
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Speaker 1: were familiar with him. Boston College was at the Shrine Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Patriots have plenty of contact with him out there as well.
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Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jinba not going to run here at
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Speaker 1: the combine. We're kind of waiting to see tomorrow night exactly,
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Speaker 1: you know, how we tests otherwise see what he looks
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Speaker 1: like on the field. Probably a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: you know, question mark for guys like us who are saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: we just want to make sure someone comes through this door.
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Speaker 1: He can run like the run like the win in
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Speaker 1: terms of quickness and you know, get open. And then
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Speaker 1: the last, the last one, Jordan Addison, who you know,
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Speaker 1: my guy, my first mock questionable if that will remain.
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Speaker 1: But overall, all three of those guys guys that can
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Speaker 1: control the middle of the field, and it feels like that's,
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Speaker 1: you know, something that would help Mac Jones. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen with Jacobe Myers. That's
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Speaker 1: certainly his area and where he kind of makes his living.
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Speaker 1: But I don't see it as hard if you're gonna
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Speaker 1: let Jacoby Myers go cashing somewhere else, and then maybe
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Speaker 1: you bring him one of these rookies and you say, hey,
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Speaker 1: let's go plug him in the middle, develop a relationship
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Speaker 1: with Mac Jones, and then those two guys are together
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Speaker 1: for the next two to three years. I'm really gravitating
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Speaker 1: more and more towards Zay Flowers. I just feel like
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Speaker 1: his game is exactly what the Patriots need for Mac
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Speaker 1: Jones and specifically and Bill O'Brien, because Bill O'Brien talks
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Speaker 1: about a lot with the middle of the field role
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Speaker 1: that he likes out of the slot, he likes to
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Speaker 1: put his quickest guy in that role, that Edelman, that
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Speaker 1: Welker role, And right now, I love Jacoby Myers, but
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that that's his game. Like I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's really a true jitterbug like Zay Flowers is.
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Speaker 1: Whereas Zay can really get in and out of the break.
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Speaker 1: He's got great electric quickness, and he's excellent after the catches,
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Speaker 1: explosive all around player, moves at a different speed than
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Speaker 1: everybody else out on the field. And now that he's
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Speaker 1: up to one eighty one eighty five, like he told
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Speaker 1: us here today, and I also like he doesn't shy
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Speaker 1: away from things like you know, I think people were
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Speaker 1: asking why did you go to the Shrine Bowl instead
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Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl, And he said he wanted to
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Speaker 1: be different, he wanted to stand out. Why. You know,
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Speaker 1: he's going to test completely here at the combine, run
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Speaker 1: the forty, jumps, agilities, on field work, the whole nine yards.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Jason's ducking it a little bit, but
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Speaker 1: I'm saying Jason might be ducking it in a little
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Speaker 1: bit because the forty might not be very good for him.
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Speaker 1: And I think that Zay Flowers this whole entire process
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Speaker 1: has said, I'm a stud. I know I'm a stud.
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Speaker 1: I'll run a forty, I'll play at the Shrine Bowl.
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm gonna be good. I love that attitude,
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Speaker 1: And that was kind of what the battitude Mac had
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Speaker 1: when he came out, when he went from winning a
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Speaker 1: national championship to go in like right to the Shrine
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Speaker 1: Bowl working out there. I'm sorry, the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I got senior in Shrine Bowl. I gotta get these straight.
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Speaker 1: They're playing together here, folks. They're both start with s.
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Speaker 1: It's and we're here like we've been at the combine
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Speaker 1: for day we're day five now, it's all blending together.
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Speaker 1: I but hey, if there's anything though that can get
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Speaker 1: us up, it's these wide receivers. And I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: part of the excitement is and I know there's there's
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Speaker 1: been some reports I think maybe Chad Graff from the
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Speaker 1: Athletic reporting that you know, the Patriots might choose not
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Speaker 1: to use their fourteenth overall pick on one of these
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Speaker 1: wide receivers and instead might look to either free agency
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Speaker 1: or maybe the later rounds. And you know, I think
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Speaker 1: we both agree as always, and I say this. I
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Speaker 1: feel like this is the third or fourth year in
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Speaker 1: a row that I said this, that there are good
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Speaker 1: players in Day two. There are starters in Day two
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Speaker 1: and maybe even into day three. I think for me
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Speaker 1: today hearing some of these guys, I know, we both
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Speaker 1: really like Jayden Reid. I mean, if you watch any
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Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl practices, he had some amazing downfield catches.
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Speaker 1: Really exciting guy guys like him, you know, these second
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Speaker 1: level guys that I still think even though they're not
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Speaker 1: going to be the fourteenth overall pick, but somebody like
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Speaker 1: him who you know, you're not waiting to get that
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Speaker 1: seventh round slot receiver that Perlo always makes fun of
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Speaker 1: us for, like, well, let's just find our slow guys.
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Speaker 1: Who was who was here today? Is well that, but hey,
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Speaker 1: let's get the day two sluck. I let's get it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's not as polished as some of these guys
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Speaker 1: like Zay and Addison that we're talking about, but guys
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Speaker 1: that just innately have that top half of the draft quickness.
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Speaker 1: That's a separation. So the guy that really stood out
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Speaker 1: to me along with Reid, who I think is more
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Speaker 1: of like a vertical slot and you know he's someone
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Speaker 1: that's gonna run a lot of slot fades, are overs,
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Speaker 1: you know, deep crossers from the slot, things like that
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Speaker 1: Josh downs from you and see I had him in
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Speaker 1: my mock draft to the Patriots at forty six in
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Speaker 1: the second round. He feels like a guy that is
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Speaker 1: one of those jitterbug quickness, good twitch, good ability after
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Speaker 1: the catch, but also has some high IQ route running
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Speaker 1: about him as well. And I asked him today, what's
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Speaker 1: your favorite route and he said that the Edelman pivot route.
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Speaker 1: He said it is. I'm like, all right, well, this
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Speaker 1: guy is a Patriot. He said something along the lines
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Speaker 1: of if you need to play, come to Josh down.
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Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, you know, I like
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Speaker 1: that swire, that attitude. He's somebody that I think is
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Speaker 1: gonna be available. I don't know if he's gonna make
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Speaker 1: it to forty six. I do is every year there's
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Speaker 1: I always say like, this guy might not make it,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's gonna make it to
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Speaker 1: forty six. But I think he's someone that if you're
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Speaker 1: serious about this, And it's what they did with Taekwon
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Speaker 1: last year, remember trading up from fifty four to fifty
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Speaker 1: and wasn't a huge trade up, but they did. If
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Speaker 1: you're serious about this, then moving up from forty six
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Speaker 1: to thirty six, let's say to secure Josh downs at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the second round. That's something that I
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Speaker 1: think that they should really entertain if they don't want
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Speaker 1: to use the fourteenth overall pick on An Addison or
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Speaker 1: on a Flowers. It's funny with some of these guys, Evan,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, I you know, I try to get
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Speaker 1: a look at as many of them as I can
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Speaker 1: and try to research, but inevitably, you're not going to
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Speaker 1: get a hand on everybody, or you're gonna forget somebody.
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Speaker 1: And then you get here and you happen to walk
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Speaker 1: by a podium and you say, this guy see any
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Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing any film on him, but he
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Speaker 1: sounds like a patriot a little bit to me, or
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Speaker 1: you know, just his presence. It's like, this seems like
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Speaker 1: a guy that would fit into that locker room. Marvin
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Speaker 1: Mims was a guy I haven't I can't recall any
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Speaker 1: tape I've watched of him, but I'm like, it sounds
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Speaker 1: like Damian Harris up there. This is Damian Knight, not
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Speaker 1: quite as deep and sexy voice that Damien Harris has,
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Speaker 1: but just that a serious tone to him. And that
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Speaker 1: was the same thing that I noticed with with your guy.
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Speaker 1: You were just talking about downs serious football guy, and
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Speaker 1: that that always kind of triggers me a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there might be something there. So if
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Speaker 1: you ask ou fans, Marvin Mims should have won the
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Speaker 1: Bulletin Cough last year. I went to Jalen High from Tennessee.
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Speaker 1: Mims is a vertical route runner as well as speed guy,
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Speaker 1: kind of in that read mold from Michigan say the
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Speaker 1: guy we're just talking about from the Senior Bowl. He's
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Speaker 1: got some really good film though, and he had some
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Speaker 1: really great production last year with the Sooners as well.
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Speaker 1: So he's somebody that can certainly get up the field
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Speaker 1: and has that ability to just stretch the defense from
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Speaker 1: all three levels. And I really liked what I saw
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Speaker 1: out of him, and I think that in some ways
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Speaker 1: he's sort of the forgotten receiver of this class because
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Speaker 1: Addison had the big twenty twenty one. He wins the
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Speaker 1: Bulletin Cough at Pittsburgh and then last year High At
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Speaker 1: wins the Bulaton Cough at Tennessee, and Mims was just
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Speaker 1: right there both times almost and just didn't get over
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Speaker 1: the hump to get into the actual win circle of
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Speaker 1: that award. So it's a really interesting player. I actually
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Speaker 1: think for where they're going to be drafted, I would
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Speaker 1: probably prefer Mims over Hyatt, honestly, because I think high
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Speaker 1: it's going to be overdrafted because of the speed, Whereas
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Speaker 1: Mims I think has in the ballpark speed as Jalen Hyatt,
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Speaker 1: but has a little bit more film against press coverage
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Speaker 1: and a little bit more film against NFL style defense,
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Speaker 1: Whereas with Jalen Hyatt you have the splits and you
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Speaker 1: have the releases and it's just all, you know, smoking
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Speaker 1: mirrors there from Tennessee. I saw a lot of a
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Speaker 1: lot of Taekwon Thornton in him. But the guy who
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Speaker 1: quick want to talk about it is just the other
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Speaker 1: Tennessee receiver who was Cedric Tillman, who more productive played
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Speaker 1: this year his last year this year played with a
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Speaker 1: high ankle sprain. He talked about that a little bit.
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Speaker 1: He's another one of those guys. And I mean I
12:44
Speaker 1: brought up Garrett Williams from Syracuse coming off and acl
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Speaker 1: like I always get intrigued by these guys who you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe had a little bit down production in terms of
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Speaker 1: an inch dealing with an injury. But you look as
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Speaker 1: taped the year before. He's an explosive guy that you
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Speaker 1: wonder where would he be being talked about if he
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Speaker 1: was still that player. If you're if you're grading just
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Speaker 1: off of film and you're evaluating just off of film,
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Speaker 1: and you're not looking at production, and you're not looking
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Speaker 1: at forty times, Cedric Tillman's tape is better than Jalen
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Speaker 1: Hyatt's tape. He's a more technically sound receiver, he's a
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Speaker 1: better route runner, he has more tools in his bag.
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Speaker 1: But because Jalen Hyatt has the production as the guy
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Speaker 1: that Tennessee everybody talks about last year, one of the
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Speaker 1: games he was healthy for was the Georgia game. Killey
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Speaker 1: Ringo had all sorts of problems with this guy. He
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Speaker 1: couldn't cover him because killey Ringo has some stiffness and
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Speaker 1: coverage and change of direction concerns. And Tillman would just
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Speaker 1: get on that vertical and then just sit it down
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Speaker 1: really quickly and stop down on hitches and things like that,
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Speaker 1: and he would just you know, ringo bid bye, you know,
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Speaker 1: like up the field and he would just lose him
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Speaker 1: and then he was pretty elusive and good with the
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Speaker 1: football in his hands after the catch as well. So
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Speaker 1: if I am going with that big body X receiver,
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Speaker 1: I obviously Quentin Johnson's one of one in that category,
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Speaker 1: but I think Cedric Tillman would be the number two
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Speaker 1: guy on that board for me that might be available
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Speaker 1: more in like the top seventy five pick picks instead
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Speaker 1: of you know, up in the first round. All right, well,
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Speaker 1: let's let's turn the page then to the tight ends
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Speaker 1: and again, you know, go to the end. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks. Great stuff with Mars Schofield tight ends
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Speaker 1: and Evan, I know you got you got a little
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Speaker 1: enamored with Quentin Johnson. A I think you got a
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Speaker 1: little enamored with Michael Mayer as well. But um, we
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Speaker 1: know Mayor is a well rounded tight end. I mean
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Speaker 1: he's he's probably like the full package in terms of
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Speaker 1: you know why tight end he can block? He you know,
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Speaker 1: is he is he a next generational kind of move guy?
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Speaker 1: Maybe not. We'll see how he tests tomorrow night. Um,
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Speaker 1: but there are some of those move guys and I
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Speaker 1: and I have to admit I'm intrigued, you know, like
14:35
Speaker 1: go back to Aaron Hernandez. You know they took Gronk
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Speaker 1: and and As together. They were a perfect compliment. I
14:40
Speaker 1: think some people thought that's where you were getting with
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Speaker 1: John Smith and Hunter Henry. It hasn't quite worked out
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Speaker 1: that way. Um, So it's intriguing. As Michael Mayer is,
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Speaker 1: as you know, that prototypical guy, there's also plenty of
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Speaker 1: guys who are that f tight end and that you
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Speaker 1: know that that can be a move guy that you know. Again,
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Speaker 1: it just for me, it goes back to creating mitts
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Speaker 1: matches in the middle of the field, and I see
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Speaker 1: some of these guys Luke Musgraves, Dalton Kincaid. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: it's be a little bit too rich for their blood
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Speaker 1: there in the first round or two, but it's not
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Speaker 1: hard to envision a guy like that being a weapon
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Speaker 1: for Bill O'Brien. So I felt the same way about
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Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson, and I felt the same way about Joey
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Speaker 1: Porter Jr. And I felt the same way. I would
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Speaker 1: say also about Nolan Smith, who just put on an
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Speaker 1: absolute show last night on the on field workouts and
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Speaker 1: athletic testing A four three nine at like two hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty pounds is unfair. That's you know, Captain America
15:26
Speaker 1: type stuff. So he was ridiculous. All three of those
15:29
Speaker 1: guys are the type of players that like are Captain's
15:35
Speaker 1: longtime captains another year franchise, those guys that you're gonna
15:40
Speaker 1: put out and be faces of your organization. And Michael Mayer,
15:44
Speaker 1: to me, was exactly that. And I talked to him
15:47
Speaker 1: at the podium briefly and then I tried to grab
15:50
Speaker 1: him off to the side as he was walking around
15:52
Speaker 1: going through all the big Jay media trying to get
15:55
Speaker 1: him on TV and things like that, and just talking
15:58
Speaker 1: to him. I just went up to him as like,
15:59
Speaker 1: you know, I really enjoyed watching your film, you know
16:02
Speaker 1: what he met with the Patriots things like that, and
16:04
Speaker 1: he was just he's just a great guy, you know,
16:07
Speaker 1: and intense, intense competitive, confident and a leader. And you
16:11
Speaker 1: can tell that guys are going to gravitate towards him
16:13
Speaker 1: in a locker room and are really going to follow
16:15
Speaker 1: him when he pulls on that rope. And I think
16:18
Speaker 1: that's something that you have to think about in the
16:20
Speaker 1: first round, like that's it's legit. You have to think
16:23
Speaker 1: about it in the first round that this is going
16:25
Speaker 1: to be a guy that's going to be front and
16:27
Speaker 1: center for your organization, hopefully for a very long time.
16:31
Speaker 1: And I think that mayor really passed that test today.
16:33
Speaker 1: It's a great point. I feel like if we were
16:34
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five or two thousand and six,
16:36
Speaker 1: maybe back when, like every it was just a running
16:38
Speaker 1: joke that the Patriots always draft tight ends like they
16:41
Speaker 1: just always needs. Like I think if we were still
16:42
Speaker 1: in that headspace, I think it would be getting a
16:44
Speaker 1: lot more attention for Michael Mayer, but a couple other guys.
16:47
Speaker 1: I just wanted to highlight. Darnell Washington from Georgia's a
16:49
Speaker 1: guy we were talking about prior to him getting up
16:52
Speaker 1: just a monster, you know, not going to be that
16:54
Speaker 1: dangerous move tight end. But if you want to talk
16:57
Speaker 1: about a dominant, big bodied guy that you could stay
17:00
Speaker 1: next to a tackle and run a jumbo O line package,
17:03
Speaker 1: he could do it. He's got a big scar on
17:05
Speaker 1: his face too. I mean, the guy just looks like
17:06
Speaker 1: a baller. But one more guy want to highlight, and unfortunately,
17:09
Speaker 1: you know, the Holy Cross guy they lost to South
17:11
Speaker 1: Dakota State in the FCS semi finals. But Tuckercraft I
17:14
Speaker 1: just really enjoyed listening to him. He was from a
17:16
Speaker 1: small town. He said. You know, his whole k through
17:18
Speaker 1: twelve is altogether. There were like twenty kids in his
17:20
Speaker 1: graduating class. And you know, pil Hey, how would you
17:23
Speaker 1: feel about going to Tampa Bay? And He's like, honestly,
17:25
Speaker 1: I go anywhere. I just looking forward to getting out
17:26
Speaker 1: of South Dakota. He's been there for for his whole life.
17:29
Speaker 1: But you know, just a couple of examples and one
17:31
Speaker 1: more I'll tee up for. He was Cameron Lattu that
17:33
Speaker 1: we were there for with Alabama, And you asked him
17:35
Speaker 1: about Bill. Yeah, I was asking him about Bill O'Brien.
17:37
Speaker 1: He had some good things to say. I think the
17:39
Speaker 1: best thing for Patriots families from my perspective that he
17:42
Speaker 1: said about Bill O'Brien was that Bill O'Brien knew his
17:45
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses and knew how to use them, which
17:47
Speaker 1: I think is going to be really those words like
17:50
Speaker 1: really resonated with me. That he said that every time
17:53
Speaker 1: he was asked to do something, it was something that
17:55
Speaker 1: he felt comfortable with, that he was good at and
17:57
Speaker 1: I was going to amplify his skill. But you mentioned
18:00
Speaker 1: RNL Washington. He called himself the most unique tight end
18:03
Speaker 1: in this draft. He wouldn't say he's the best tight end.
18:05
Speaker 1: He's is the most unique tight end, and I'd agree
18:07
Speaker 1: with that. And I think if you look at what
18:09
Speaker 1: the Patriots might morph into, it's not exactly what they
18:13
Speaker 1: were the first time around with Bill O'Brien, where it
18:15
Speaker 1: was a lot of pace in space and shotgun and
18:17
Speaker 1: things like that. But a lot of us were clamoring
18:19
Speaker 1: for more play action last year. And if you start
18:22
Speaker 1: to be a run heavy, play action heavy type of
18:25
Speaker 1: offense maybe moving forward, and now you have basically a
18:29
Speaker 1: sixth offensive lineman on the field that once you run
18:32
Speaker 1: that play action fake and you get those linebackers stepping up,
18:35
Speaker 1: he can sneak behind somebody up the seam or something
18:38
Speaker 1: like that. He has that ability about him to run
18:41
Speaker 1: the seam, to adjust the balls in the air and
18:44
Speaker 1: make catches outside of his frame with his length and
18:46
Speaker 1: his size, and then rumble after the catch like he's
18:49
Speaker 1: got Dak Gronkowski bounce off of me type of yacability.
18:53
Speaker 1: And that fits really well with like an under center
18:55
Speaker 1: play action downhill run offense, which I wouldn't be surprised
19:00
Speaker 1: if that's where they go. I also wouldn't be surprised
19:02
Speaker 1: if it's the total opposite, but I feel like that
19:04
Speaker 1: it is a possibility at least that that's the type
19:07
Speaker 1: of offense they run. All right, now, we're gonna take
19:09
Speaker 1: a quick cut over to our interview with Mark Scofield
19:12
Speaker 1: of SB Nation and we're gonna talk some quarterbacks. All right.
19:15
Speaker 1: We're excited to be joined out by Mark Scofield of
19:18
Speaker 1: SP Nation. If you guys don't know him, he is
19:19
Speaker 1: a quarterback guro. He knows everything there is to know
19:21
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and the draft classes. I was happy to
19:24
Speaker 1: run across him here at the combine as we usually do.
19:27
Speaker 1: How to have him come on talk about this class
19:29
Speaker 1: a little bit about Mac as well. I know Evan
19:31
Speaker 1: is familiar with him. Thank Mars, thank you for coming on.
19:34
Speaker 1: How are you doing here at your combine week? I
19:35
Speaker 1: know you just got in last night, right I did,
19:37
Speaker 1: yet it I get in Thursday morning. It's it's strange
19:39
Speaker 1: the way the schedule is set up this year, because
19:41
Speaker 1: they had the general manager's head coaches early in the week.
19:44
Speaker 1: Usually like to see that. But we got quarterbacks thrown
19:46
Speaker 1: on Saturday, and that's you know what I do, That's
19:48
Speaker 1: what I love. So I want to make sure I
19:50
Speaker 1: could be here for that. So I came in Thursday morning,
19:52
Speaker 1: which is probably physically for the best because combined week
19:55
Speaker 1: tends to be a bit People are running on fumes
19:58
Speaker 1: right now, so I've still got a little bit of
20:00
Speaker 1: get up and go left. I don't know how long
20:02
Speaker 1: that's gonna last. It's raiding here in Indy today on Thursday,
20:05
Speaker 1: so that's taking a lot out of us. But it
20:07
Speaker 1: is great to be here. It's great to see you guys.
20:09
Speaker 1: Always fun to catch up, you know, on air off air,
20:11
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to be here. One of these days,
20:14
Speaker 1: I'm gonna publish some of our dms together, Mark, because
20:17
Speaker 1: it's just me being like, am I right about this?
20:20
Speaker 1: Or am I seeing this correctly? Or of the time
20:23
Speaker 1: You're out here, two kinds now back and forth about
20:28
Speaker 1: quarterbacks with you all the time, and I'm always like,
20:31
Speaker 1: it's his foot, like a little bit off here, what's
20:35
Speaker 1: going on? We went as deep as like Tyree Jackson,
20:38
Speaker 1: I think you and I have discussed before and all
20:41
Speaker 1: the way down the rabbit hole we go. But I
20:43
Speaker 1: think to start We'll get into the draft in a second,
20:46
Speaker 1: but I would love your opinion on Mac last season
20:49
Speaker 1: and what you saw from him that led to the
20:51
Speaker 1: regression from a quarterbacking standpoint, not just a coaching standpoint,
20:55
Speaker 1: but some of the mechanical things or the processing things. Yeah.
20:57
Speaker 1: I mean we know the coaching stuff, we know the
21:00
Speaker 1: scheme stuff, and that's sort of been talked about it.
21:02
Speaker 1: I could go twenty minutes on run more play action,
21:05
Speaker 1: we could go down that road. But I think sort
21:07
Speaker 1: of mechanically structurally, there were some lower body inconsistencies from
21:12
Speaker 1: Mac Jones last year that we hadn't really seen before.
21:15
Speaker 1: This is part of what you and our DM in
21:16
Speaker 1: a mode. Yeah, sometimes that front foot wasn't where it
21:19
Speaker 1: needed to be, or you know, the hallway, like we say,
21:22
Speaker 1: with the hips weren't set the right way to get
21:24
Speaker 1: him in a position to make a good throw downfield,
21:27
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, intermediate DP boundary wherever. And so
21:30
Speaker 1: I think that's part of what he faces this offseason,
21:34
Speaker 1: is to reset him from a mechanical standpoint, particularly in
21:37
Speaker 1: the lower half. That was on an issue coming out
21:39
Speaker 1: of Alabama. I mean, coming out of Alabama, he was
21:42
Speaker 1: fairly clean mechanically, whether it was protection upfront, trying to
21:47
Speaker 1: get through reads, quicker, trying to speed himself up for
21:50
Speaker 1: one reason or another, that sort of took a step back,
21:53
Speaker 1: and I think that's part of the process. We can
21:55
Speaker 1: certainly talk about the conceptual stuff, the schemes, the designs,
21:59
Speaker 1: the play calling, but from a get the ball where
22:02
Speaker 1: it needs to be, where it needs to be their perspective,
22:04
Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest things he's facing this offseason.
22:06
Speaker 1: And so when you look at Bill O'Brien coming back
22:08
Speaker 1: to the Patriots this year, what, knowing what you know
22:11
Speaker 1: about him, what's kind of your expectation in terms of
22:13
Speaker 1: how are Mac Jones's game, bill O'Brien's offense, his philosophy's
22:18
Speaker 1: gonna mesh this year? I have, you know, I'm pretty
22:20
Speaker 1: optimistic about what this is going to look like next year.
22:23
Speaker 1: And part of that is if you sort of watch
22:25
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and his offensive philosophy, he molds it to
22:28
Speaker 1: his talents, he molds it to the quarterback that he has.
22:31
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, add somebody that we just heard from
22:33
Speaker 1: this morning and Bryce Young and you know the way
22:35
Speaker 1: he was able to mold and you know, shape that
22:38
Speaker 1: offense and what Bryce Young likes to do, spread it out,
22:40
Speaker 1: get the ball out quickly, things like that and some
22:43
Speaker 1: of the other things he's done over his various coaching
22:45
Speaker 1: stops for different types of quarterbacks. That tells me that
22:48
Speaker 1: they're going to figure out over the course of these
22:50
Speaker 1: next couple of months where Mac Jones needs to be
22:53
Speaker 1: where he's most comfortable, and that's what the offense is
22:56
Speaker 1: going to look like. So I mean, I could tell you,
22:58
Speaker 1: you know, what it should look like, what it might
23:00
Speaker 1: look like. They're going to figure that out. They're going
23:02
Speaker 1: to figure out what it looks like and best in
23:04
Speaker 1: Mac Jones's hands. And that's the biggest part of this
23:07
Speaker 1: because you know, now Mac Jones is going to be,
23:09
Speaker 1: in a way, a third offense a three years that's
23:12
Speaker 1: not always conducive to quarterback development. So now the process becomes,
23:16
Speaker 1: where do you take this offense? How do you construct
23:19
Speaker 1: it in a way that Mac Jones wants it, because
23:22
Speaker 1: that's what the focus should be. Now. You know, we
23:25
Speaker 1: used to live in a world where like the best receivers,
23:27
Speaker 1: the open receiver and all that fun stuff. No, let's
23:29
Speaker 1: find out what Matt Jones wants to do. Where's he comfortable,
23:32
Speaker 1: what designs does he want to run? Put it in
23:34
Speaker 1: his hands. If it works, that's what we want. If
23:36
Speaker 1: it doesn't, now you've got your answer. After year three
23:39
Speaker 1: of the Mac Jones experiment. Let me let me ask
23:40
Speaker 1: a quick follo up heaven Um. Just in terms of
23:42
Speaker 1: the guys that are here, wide receivers, tight ends, we've
23:44
Speaker 1: talked a lot about we think they need weapons. You know,
23:46
Speaker 1: for you, is there a particular and it doesn't even
23:48
Speaker 1: have to be a specific player maybe it is, but
23:50
Speaker 1: just a style of player or style of weapon or
23:52
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think they need to put
23:54
Speaker 1: around Mac to to do what you're saying, to play
23:57
Speaker 1: to those strengths what you mean? I mean a lot
23:59
Speaker 1: about quickness. There are two guys that come to mind
24:01
Speaker 1: remedia that Quentin Johnson from TCU, Zay Flowers from Boston College.
24:05
Speaker 1: And what I look for are guys that can create
24:08
Speaker 1: up to the catch point and then after the catch
24:10
Speaker 1: because I think some of the times we saw Mac
24:12
Speaker 1: most comfortable was when they were sort of spreading things out.
24:15
Speaker 1: They don't get the ball out of his hands. Quickly.
24:16
Speaker 1: The guys that create after the catch, that can create
24:18
Speaker 1: in space, and those are two guys that can certainly
24:21
Speaker 1: do that can do it at a high level. And
24:22
Speaker 1: so whether it's at fourteen, which is probably why you're
24:24
Speaker 1: gonna have to do it with one of those guys,
24:26
Speaker 1: or a trade back, those are two players that I
24:29
Speaker 1: really have in mind. But it's really that ability to
24:31
Speaker 1: create before the catch point, release packages, separation make life
24:36
Speaker 1: a little bit easier in mac Jones with what those
24:37
Speaker 1: guys can do, and then after the catch created with
24:40
Speaker 1: yards after the catchers where this offense has been historically,
24:43
Speaker 1: and that's what they need in this offense. You know,
24:46
Speaker 1: whether they bring Parker back, whether they bring Meyers back,
24:49
Speaker 1: either way, having a player like that will be huge
24:52
Speaker 1: for this offense next year. Yeah. Absolutely, I think the
24:55
Speaker 1: big thing I wanted to ask about with Mackett and
24:57
Speaker 1: then I think we can move more on to the
24:58
Speaker 1: draft prospect. But out of structure playmaking and out of
25:02
Speaker 1: the pocket playmaking is something that is getting really popular
25:06
Speaker 1: around in the league. And I think this is a
25:07
Speaker 1: big question mark that people have with the future with
25:10
Speaker 1: mac Jones, is he's not one of these Patrick Mahomes
25:13
Speaker 1: Josh Allen type of athletes that gets out the side
25:15
Speaker 1: of the pocket. I guess it's a two prong question. One,
25:18
Speaker 1: how much do you think that that actually matters to
25:20
Speaker 1: quarterback play in the league right now? And do you
25:22
Speaker 1: think that that is something that he could improve on
25:24
Speaker 1: and become better at outside the pocket, out of structure
25:28
Speaker 1: type of stuff. Yeah, I mean, I think it does
25:29
Speaker 1: matter because it gets to the idea of football as
25:32
Speaker 1: problem solving, right, and if you've got multiple ways on
25:36
Speaker 1: a down to down basis to solve problems as a quarterback,
25:38
Speaker 1: whether it's with your mind, whether it's with your arm
25:40
Speaker 1: and velocity, or created as a secondary reaction player where okay,
25:44
Speaker 1: we've got a free rusher off the left edge, I
25:46
Speaker 1: could spit away from that and create off of structure
25:49
Speaker 1: outside the pocket. The more ways you can solve a
25:52
Speaker 1: problem as a quarterback, the better the offense is going
25:54
Speaker 1: to be. If you're only going to be able to
25:56
Speaker 1: solve it with your mind and your arm and you're
25:58
Speaker 1: dead to rights when you get that free rusher, defenses
26:01
Speaker 1: will be able to take advantage of that. Now, can
26:03
Speaker 1: Mack do that? I think so? As a rookie, I
26:05
Speaker 1: thought he showed a little bit more athleticism than perhaps
26:08
Speaker 1: we gave him credit for in the breads. I gave
26:10
Speaker 1: him credit for coming out of Alabama. But his next
26:12
Speaker 1: evolution in this process is to be ahead of things
26:15
Speaker 1: with his mind. And I know you, Evan, You and
26:17
Speaker 1: I talked about this a little bit going into his
26:19
Speaker 1: year too. Was pre snap pressure identification. Okay, can you
26:24
Speaker 1: get a better idea before that snap of where that
26:26
Speaker 1: pressure was coming from? If you think back to his
26:28
Speaker 1: college days, he had to play against Notre Dame in
26:30
Speaker 1: their playoff game where he saw that blitz coming pre
26:33
Speaker 1: snap and was Evan you and I talked about this
26:35
Speaker 1: a lot and spun away from him because he was
26:37
Speaker 1: ahead of it with his mind. If he can get
26:39
Speaker 1: to that level in the NFL, he'll be able to
26:42
Speaker 1: create some of these sort of outside the pocket, off
26:44
Speaker 1: of structure moments. He's never gonna be, you know, a
26:47
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson, but if he can get
26:50
Speaker 1: ahead of things with his mind, he can be a
26:51
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill type who Okay, he's not gonna create as
26:54
Speaker 1: an athlete or be an explosive, you know, ball carrier,
26:57
Speaker 1: but he can get ahead of things with his mind,
26:59
Speaker 1: beat fences with mine and put himself then physically post
27:02
Speaker 1: snap in a position to do that. Yeah, I think
27:04
Speaker 1: the big thing for me is that people always get
27:07
Speaker 1: caught up and out of structure bombs down the field, right,
27:11
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always have to be that. I remember
27:13
Speaker 1: he made play against Baltimore last year where he scrambled
27:16
Speaker 1: out on fourth down and was able to just find
27:18
Speaker 1: somebody right past the sticks for like a four or
27:20
Speaker 1: five yard game, which still added something to what they
27:23
Speaker 1: were doing. It wasn't necessarily a Josh Allen, you know,
27:26
Speaker 1: seventy five yard piss missile. It was something a little
27:28
Speaker 1: bit different, And I think that that's okay, Like, we
27:30
Speaker 1: don't have to sometimes you just got to get to
27:33
Speaker 1: the next play, right, you know, And we get so
27:35
Speaker 1: caught up. And I was having this conversation this morning Evan,
27:37
Speaker 1: we get so caught up in like, oh, explosive plays,
27:40
Speaker 1: and you do have to generate those as an offense,
27:42
Speaker 1: but sometimes you just got to get to the fresh
27:44
Speaker 1: set of downs. And that play you referenced Evan, like, yes,
27:47
Speaker 1: what it would be awesome if he then throws across
27:49
Speaker 1: his body thirty five yards downfield to the opposite hash. Yeah,
27:52
Speaker 1: we'd all be losing our minds, rightfully so, but sometimes
27:55
Speaker 1: it's just as important to Jacobe Myers is at the
27:57
Speaker 1: five yards downfield, it's fourth and four. Let's get to
28:00
Speaker 1: first down. Because now the playbooks open, we're still on
28:03
Speaker 1: the field. We're not sending out the punt team, we're
28:05
Speaker 1: not sending out the defense again. And so, you know,
28:07
Speaker 1: sometimes being a quarterback that can create outside of the pocket,
28:11
Speaker 1: off of structure is just can you get us another
28:13
Speaker 1: set of downs? Yeah? Absolutely, so we saw the quarterbacks today.
28:16
Speaker 1: I know this is your thing, Mark, that's why you're here. Um,
28:18
Speaker 1: I'll just teet up for you know, general general thoughts
28:20
Speaker 1: on the class. I mean, we know Bryce Young, we
28:22
Speaker 1: know CJ. Stroud. We've got to look at Anthony Richardson,
28:24
Speaker 1: who looks like he was sculpting in a lab. No
28:27
Speaker 1: reports that the Patriots actually met with him. What are
28:30
Speaker 1: your thoughts and what are you looking for here these
28:31
Speaker 1: next couple of days with these guys. It's a very
28:33
Speaker 1: interesting class, Mike. I'm very excited about this group. And
28:36
Speaker 1: it's really I've used this phrase a couple of times.
28:39
Speaker 1: It's a pick your poison quarterback class. Like, you could
28:42
Speaker 1: tell me, are these four guys that we're all sort
28:43
Speaker 1: of talking about it at the top, whether it's Levis, Richardson,
28:45
Speaker 1: Stroud Young, you can tell me any one of those
28:48
Speaker 1: is your QB one. I might not agree myself, but
28:50
Speaker 1: I could see a case for it, even Levis, who
28:52
Speaker 1: most people have here's that they with Will Levis. So
28:57
Speaker 1: this is I've used this sort of hypothetical lot. If
29:00
Speaker 1: he goes to Carolina at nine, it could work right
29:03
Speaker 1: because they have put so much around that quarterback position,
29:06
Speaker 1: whether it's Frank Reich, who's got a record of quarterback
29:09
Speaker 1: development dating back to Philadelphia in his first run with
29:11
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Josh mcdowan who was basically like a coach
29:14
Speaker 1: last player with the Jets, and Sam Donald, Like, they've
29:17
Speaker 1: put a lot structurally around the quarterback position where I
29:20
Speaker 1: could talk myself and do what working with well off
29:22
Speaker 1: its But look the three that excite me the most. Yeah,
29:25
Speaker 1: it's Shroud, It's Young, It's Richardson. I think everybody that's
29:28
Speaker 1: going to be in Lucas Oil on Saturday to watch
29:30
Speaker 1: Richardson throw and work out, we might see a show,
29:33
Speaker 1: you know, because he might throw some incredible throws during
29:36
Speaker 1: his throwing session and then run a four or four,
29:38
Speaker 1: and then it becomes that could be something special. We
29:41
Speaker 1: could leave Indianapolis saying he's the first player drafted. It's possible.
29:46
Speaker 1: We were talking about Mike. You just mentioned that the
29:48
Speaker 1: Patriots didn't meet with Anthony Richardson. It's a little bit interesting.
29:52
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about maybe them doing some
29:54
Speaker 1: due diligence on him against the Jets draft him, or
29:57
Speaker 1: the Raiders draft him, or something like that ahead of
29:59
Speaker 1: that on the draft board. But what I have found
30:03
Speaker 1: fascinating about his film, just like I've only watched like
30:05
Speaker 1: one or two games because I don't think they're going
30:07
Speaker 1: to draft them, but regardless is that it doesn't seem
30:10
Speaker 1: to be about his eyes or where he's looking or processing.
30:14
Speaker 1: It's mechanical. And that is why I think so many
30:17
Speaker 1: people us in the media and teams are saying this
30:21
Speaker 1: guy's fixable, like you can you can get this guy there,
30:23
Speaker 1: because it's not about what's between the ears. It's just
30:26
Speaker 1: that his feet are a little bit wacky. Sometimes it's
30:28
Speaker 1: mechanics are a little bit off. Yeah, I think his
30:31
Speaker 1: eyes are for the most part where they need to
30:33
Speaker 1: be on a given play. I mean, you watch that
30:35
Speaker 1: Florida State game. He had a touchdown to Piersol up
30:37
Speaker 1: the right sea on a post route where he's looking
30:40
Speaker 1: them off, looking that post safety in middlefield off and
30:42
Speaker 1: then comes back on time and rhythm and throws an
30:44
Speaker 1: absolute strike And it's like, I don't It's a put
30:46
Speaker 1: the pen down moment, right, Like, I don't need to
30:48
Speaker 1: see anything else. And if you add the four or four,
30:51
Speaker 1: if you add the run against LSU, the pocket movement
30:53
Speaker 1: against tennessee all the clips that get you posted on
30:56
Speaker 1: Twitter day in and day out, there's potential there for
30:59
Speaker 1: him to be very special. But you're right, Evan, the
31:00
Speaker 1: eyes for the most part of where they need to be.
31:02
Speaker 1: It's just getting the feet to match the eyes. And
31:05
Speaker 1: I think you know you hear the phrase he's raw.
31:08
Speaker 1: He needs two years. No, he just needs reps. I
31:11
Speaker 1: think he could play. He could play as a rookie
31:13
Speaker 1: and play very well. Yeah, what else you're looking at
31:16
Speaker 1: be lower down? I mean, we know we talked a
31:17
Speaker 1: little bit to Dorian Thompson Robinson today, who they coached
31:20
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl, had a lot of great things
31:22
Speaker 1: to say just about the Patriots tap not a huge need,
31:24
Speaker 1: of course for the Patriots, but I mean, I'm in
31:25
Speaker 1: the business. I'm sharing the same It's always good business
31:27
Speaker 1: to have the quarterbacks in the pipeline. Love taking Zappy
31:30
Speaker 1: last year. It doesn't necessarily have to be a refermendum
31:33
Speaker 1: on your starter. Maybe a little bit, but not necessarily.
31:36
Speaker 1: Who are the guys? Maybe day two, day three, maybe
31:38
Speaker 1: that you might like to just take a flyer on. Yeah, Mike,
31:40
Speaker 1: I think I don't want to say. The more interesting
31:43
Speaker 1: question is who is QB five? But it's a very
31:45
Speaker 1: interesting question because we're all sort of cold lesser around
31:48
Speaker 1: the top four. Who's the next quarterback? Hennon Hooker very interesting?
31:51
Speaker 1: Put up huge numbers this year, but you've got some
31:54
Speaker 1: question marks about the offense that he ran and how
31:55
Speaker 1: translatable that is. Obviously the age, the knee injury. You know,
31:59
Speaker 1: I think there are things you can say about all
32:01
Speaker 1: of those. The offense could translate, you could run some
32:03
Speaker 1: of those concepts. The knee he's almost ready to throw.
32:05
Speaker 1: I mean a clo injuries aren't what they were a
32:07
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. The age quarterbacks are playing earlier
32:10
Speaker 1: in their career, so it's not the detriment it used
32:12
Speaker 1: to be when you hold a clipboard for three years
32:14
Speaker 1: before you saw the field. I'm very intrigued by Jake Hanner.
32:17
Speaker 1: You know, he was somebody that was really fun to
32:19
Speaker 1: watch these past couple of years. Tough, competitive, had an
32:22
Speaker 1: injury against UCLA two years ago, but finished that game,
32:25
Speaker 1: got a big win. This year, he had the you know,
32:27
Speaker 1: the lower body injury against usc but came back well
32:30
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule, played at the Mount to West Championship game.
32:33
Speaker 1: You know another quarterback that I'm intrigued by is Tanner
32:36
Speaker 1: McKee from Stanford. I wonder if he's sort of you know,
32:40
Speaker 1: behind the times a bit, you know, Joe Flacco. It'd
32:42
Speaker 1: say if this was two thousand and five, he might
32:44
Speaker 1: be in the mix for QB one, but it's not
32:46
Speaker 1: so now. He's probably a Day three guy. You know,
32:49
Speaker 1: dtrs fascinating, yeah, you know, incredibly athletic. You know, Jack
32:53
Speaker 1: chip Kelly offense did a lot to stress defenses both
32:56
Speaker 1: in the run game in the past game, made some
32:58
Speaker 1: impressive throws. Obviously an a lead and with the way
33:01
Speaker 1: the game is trending, like we just talked about, would
33:02
Speaker 1: create an office structure and outside the pocket if you
33:05
Speaker 1: want to take a flyer in a quarterback on day
33:06
Speaker 1: three somebody you've now got experienced coaching, and you know
33:09
Speaker 1: how they take to coaching, which is, you know, whenever
33:11
Speaker 1: we talk about Shrine Bowl, Senior Bowl, people get caught
33:14
Speaker 1: up in the game itself or how they look in drills.
33:17
Speaker 1: The teams want to see if you take to coaching.
33:19
Speaker 1: If you told them something Monday in practice, do you
33:21
Speaker 1: run it the next day or not. Patriot's got a
33:23
Speaker 1: good look at that with dtr and if they came
33:24
Speaker 1: away liking what they saw, it wouldn't surprise me if
33:27
Speaker 1: they drafted him Monday three. What about jarn Hall from BYU.
33:31
Speaker 1: I had high expectations coming into this season, you know,
33:34
Speaker 1: I think he sort of had a down week, you know,
33:36
Speaker 1: in his sort of Senior Bowl experience. What I like
33:40
Speaker 1: about him as pocket movement and pocket boys. There are
33:43
Speaker 1: some plays he had this year at BYU where I
33:45
Speaker 1: remember one play if you get who it was against,
33:46
Speaker 1: but there's pressure off the left edge and he doesn't
33:49
Speaker 1: even drop his eyes for a second, even though it's
33:51
Speaker 1: right in his blindside. He just feels and it moves around.
33:54
Speaker 1: He had some throws against Notre Dame. Now, there was
33:56
Speaker 1: a situational and wearing a sack against Notre Dame where
33:59
Speaker 1: he gave up a safety, but there are some other
34:00
Speaker 1: moments in that game where he's just almost impervious to pressure,
34:03
Speaker 1: and that's something you can't teach. And you're gonna face
34:05
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure playing quarterback in the NFL. And
34:08
Speaker 1: so I think again, if you get into that sort
34:10
Speaker 1: of you know, round full of round five, round six range,
34:13
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Mike. You should always be looking to
34:15
Speaker 1: upgrade the quarterback room overall, whether it's as a starter,
34:19
Speaker 1: somebody to push the starter, or even somebody to push
34:21
Speaker 1: QB two, because if number one goes down, you better
34:24
Speaker 1: have a good answer at number two. Otherwise you're wasting
34:26
Speaker 1: weeks in the NFL. And we don't we don't like
34:28
Speaker 1: wasting weeks in the NFL. Here on the new inclam Patriots, Right,
34:31
Speaker 1: all right, Well, I don't want to end it before
34:32
Speaker 1: you get a last chance. Even did you get everything
34:34
Speaker 1: off your chest here? I don't. You're gonna have to
34:36
Speaker 1: take the DMS later to get there. There's there's a
34:38
Speaker 1: big one that I do want to ask you about,
34:41
Speaker 1: and I think this is a really popular conversation. It's
34:43
Speaker 1: it's a popular take in Boston right now that the
34:46
Speaker 1: Patriots should follow the model that the Eagles followed by
34:49
Speaker 1: hedging their bets with Carson Wentz with Jalen Hurts right
34:52
Speaker 1: and making sure that you have somebody like that. And
34:55
Speaker 1: I think the only guy in this draft that fits
34:56
Speaker 1: that is Head and Hooker, Like I can't really think
34:58
Speaker 1: of anybody else that, But I have reservations about Okay
35:02
Speaker 1: now as a guy coming off in ACL who's already
35:05
Speaker 1: an older prospect, and Mac Jones only in year three.
35:08
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was year five when they did that in Philadelphia.
35:11
Speaker 1: It's a much different situation. But what are your opinions
35:14
Speaker 1: on Hooker? And a lot of people I've heard of said,
35:16
Speaker 1: if he didn't have a turn toward a c L,
35:18
Speaker 1: we might be talking about him in the first round.
35:20
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're that high on him. I'm
35:22
Speaker 1: not that high on him, but I do understand the
35:24
Speaker 1: allure obviously the production that offense, though how much of
35:28
Speaker 1: that is translatable because they had those wide splits, a
35:30
Speaker 1: lot of stacks concept a lot of switch concepts. I mean, yeah,
35:34
Speaker 1: let you know, it's a limited rout tree. But four
35:37
Speaker 1: two is four two, right. There's also that aspect to it,
35:40
Speaker 1: you know. I think the conversation with Hooker that's fascinating
35:42
Speaker 1: and again is sort of like you got to the
35:44
Speaker 1: age thing. Now. There are ways where you could say, look,
35:47
Speaker 1: it's not an issue. But in New England, if you
35:49
Speaker 1: might give Mac another year or two, then you're talking
35:51
Speaker 1: two more years before Hooker seats a field. It's a
35:54
Speaker 1: different conversation. I think, Look, this is a copycat sport,
35:58
Speaker 1: it's a copycat league. People say, oh, just made a run.
36:00
Speaker 1: Look at how they structured it. We should do what
36:02
Speaker 1: they did. Let's also remember this time last year, Howie
36:05
Speaker 1: Roseman and Nick Sirianni was sitting at the podium in
36:07
Speaker 1: the next room saying, yeah, we believe in Jaden and Hurts.
36:09
Speaker 1: We're gonna build around him. As they were calling around
36:12
Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson. Like you know, they also acquired a
36:15
Speaker 1: future first round pick in this year's draft in case
36:17
Speaker 1: it didn't work out with Jalen Hurts, Like you know,
36:20
Speaker 1: they can hedge their bets differently, the New England Patriots
36:22
Speaker 1: can you know, they could acquire a future draft capital,
36:24
Speaker 1: they could give Bailey Zappie a shot if it doesn't
36:27
Speaker 1: work out this year with Mac Jones. Now, I think
36:29
Speaker 1: next year is probably the draft if it doesn't work
36:31
Speaker 1: out with Mac this year, where you might see them
36:33
Speaker 1: trying to move up to perhaps Drake may Kayleb Williams
36:36
Speaker 1: something like that might be cost for him to do so,
36:39
Speaker 1: but I think that's probably the Mac Jones gets this
36:42
Speaker 1: year to sort of figure it out. It's year three,
36:43
Speaker 1: that's take the step with Bill O'Brien. If it doesn't,
36:46
Speaker 1: we're gonna explore some options in twenty four. Yeah, that
36:48
Speaker 1: Drake make It's good, He's very good. Williams, Mike get
36:53
Speaker 1: ahead of our will we do this every year? Right,
36:57
Speaker 1: It's like, well this girl next year? Next you watch
37:01
Speaker 1: Josh down. So I think is a really nice fit
37:03
Speaker 1: for the Patriots in the slot. And I'm texting my
37:06
Speaker 1: podcast co host Ogs Bars. We text all the time
37:09
Speaker 1: about prospects, and I'm like, he knows way more about
37:11
Speaker 1: college football than me. So I'm texting, I'm like, who's
37:13
Speaker 1: this quarterback that UNC has guys like throwing off platforms.
37:17
Speaker 1: I was talking to an UNC coach yesterday and I
37:19
Speaker 1: was just like, casually speaking, so who who's who has
37:22
Speaker 1: already come around looking for Drake May It's like all
37:24
Speaker 1: thirty two two years. Yeah, so let's put it that way.
37:26
Speaker 1: It's very excited. Well, and now we're onto the twenty twenty.
37:28
Speaker 1: I know that's what I was gonna say. And Mark
37:30
Speaker 1: will be back next year at the Scout and Combine.
37:31
Speaker 1: We'll have him back on. So Mark, thank you, you
37:33
Speaker 1: know so much for taking some time giving your you know,
37:35
Speaker 1: your knowledge as you do on Twitter as well, and
37:37
Speaker 1: as you guys can tell, give him a follow at
37:38
Speaker 1: Mark Scholfield Espnation read all this stuff. Um, if quarterback
37:41
Speaker 1: becomes a need anytime in the future, certainly that he's
37:44
Speaker 1: the guy to hit up. So Mark, thanks for joining us, guys,
37:46
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having we always a blast. All right.
37:49
Speaker 1: That'll do it for Lazarre and Deuce on Friday from
37:52
Speaker 1: the Combine. One more day to go, and I gotta
37:55
Speaker 1: admit I'm still I still got some energy. I'm still
37:57
Speaker 1: excited to see some of these offensive linemen tomorrow finally
37:59
Speaker 1: get a look at them. It's it's probably gonna be
38:01
Speaker 1: a little bit more subdued than it was here today
38:03
Speaker 1: with all the quarterbacks going anything. You just want to
38:05
Speaker 1: tee up for tomorrow. Skronsky, It's Scronsky time, baby, It's
38:09
Speaker 1: Scronsky time now, and all seriousness though. I was talking
38:12
Speaker 1: to a lot of the edge defenders at the other
38:14
Speaker 1: day when we had them available, and there were just
38:17
Speaker 1: every single guy you asked had a different answer for
38:19
Speaker 1: who the best tackle that they faced was. Which to me,
38:22
Speaker 1: I speaks to the depth of the class. You know,
38:24
Speaker 1: some guys are saying Anton Harrison, some guys are saying Scronsky.
38:28
Speaker 1: Will Anderson said Darnell Right from Tennessee. So that's like
38:31
Speaker 1: a riser Darnell right. All I'm gonna mention to him
38:33
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days. He's one of my
38:34
Speaker 1: guys in this draft too. So you look at some
38:37
Speaker 1: of these players at tackle, I think they're going to
38:39
Speaker 1: have a ton of options, and you're gonna have somebody
38:42
Speaker 1: available in the first two rounds that you will probably
38:45
Speaker 1: feel good about starting right out of the gate as
38:47
Speaker 1: a rookie, which I think the Patriots could really use.
38:50
Speaker 1: All right, guys, keep an eye out for more content
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38:55
Speaker 1: so it might be a little late coming in, but
38:57
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39:01
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39:03
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