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NFC South Betting Preview with Pat Donovan · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, your go to NFL betting podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We are part of the Action Network family of podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Brandon Kravitz, your hosts. Back at it with the
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  Speaker 1: first lady of the pod, Kendra Middleton. On today's show,
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  Speaker 1: the divisional previews continue. We head to the Dirty South Tampa, Atlanta, Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: and New Orleans at Donovan from iHeartRadio and Tampa hops
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  Speaker 1: on with us shortly to break down what we expect
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  Speaker 1: to see from the drunkest division in the entire National
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  Speaker 1: Football League. We are one NFL game in, Kendra, and
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  Speaker 1: I've already suffered my first bad beat of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I had the Cardinals plus one and a half, and
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  Speaker 1: here comes Haines King rumbling down the field into the
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  Speaker 1: end zone as time expires. So let's get those out
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  Speaker 1: of the way in the preseason, I guess, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: already in mid season form over here.
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  Speaker 2: I was disappointed. You fell asleep on your couch for
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  Speaker 2: this game.
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  Speaker 1: Oh but let me tell you cheat code. And I
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  Speaker 1: learned this from Sean Little on Buckets. He does this
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  Speaker 1: with the NBA, where he won't watch the late games.
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  Speaker 1: He wakes up in the morning, makes a cup of
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  Speaker 1: coffee and then we'll watch late night NBA games first
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  Speaker 1: thing in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: I'm an early.
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  Speaker 1: Riser, so that sort of strategy fits the molds for me,
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  Speaker 1: like an old man who just turned forty one. That day,
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  Speaker 1: I fell asleep at halftime hard, I mean, mouth open, drool,
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  Speaker 1: all of that. And then I wake up in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: strong cup of coffee and watch the second half of
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game. The sun hadn't even come
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  Speaker 1: up yet. It was wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: But the morning person at all, I am a night owl,
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  Speaker 2: like in my during COVID, when nothing actually existed and
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  Speaker 2: nothing was real. I was going to bed at four
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  Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning and getting up at two pm,
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  Speaker 2: and that was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: If you and Gifford text me beyond ten thirty at night,
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  Speaker 1: which is fine if you do that, But if you
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  Speaker 1: hear from me, something has gone wrong. Unless there's like
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  Speaker 1: some big primetime NFL game that I'm watching, I'm just out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just not I'm not making it.
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  Speaker 4: I fall asleep with Scott Vanpel every single night. Baby.
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  Speaker 1: Oh all right, you and Scottie. Quick aside, before we
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  Speaker 1: get to our guest. I signed up for a new gym.
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  Speaker 1: My kid's back in school, so I'm able to get
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  Speaker 1: back to a normal sort of routine I had. I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't been to the gym in two months. I just said,
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  Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm just I'll just ride my bike occasionally
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  Speaker 1: just so I don't, you know, get chunky. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: back and I'm going to a much more pretentious gym.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you can guess where my other gym was. It
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  Speaker 1: was a judgment free zone. Yeah, okay, everybody that walks
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  Speaker 1: into that place kind of looks like a werewolf. The
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  Speaker 1: place I'm going to now much nicer, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: more pretentious. Kendra, you seem like a fancy gym goer
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  Speaker 1: to me, way too many tripods. What is going on
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  Speaker 1: at these gym I haven't been to a nice gym
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  Speaker 1: in years. I've just been going to like the hole
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  Speaker 1: in the walls. These people are there filming like they're
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan. What are we doing? Why are people doing this?
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  Speaker 2: That's that's what happens when you pay to use the
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  Speaker 2: space like that, you know, like it just that's that
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  Speaker 2: is what it is. But you have the right to
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  Speaker 2: can to be like, hey, I don't consent to this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want my I don't want my ass
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  Speaker 1: sweat in your video.
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  Speaker 2: But you've got flock cameras and metaglasses everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, So.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Can I sign up? I gotta
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  Speaker 1: get out of this all right?
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  Speaker 3: Coming up?
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  Speaker 1: Pat Donovan WDAE in Tampa, part of the iHeart Family.
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  Speaker 4: Check INT's coming out. We got to move on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's it. That's it for Kendrick today. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk football.
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  Speaker 2: I literally feel like you just put like the safety
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  Speaker 2: lock on the windows while I'm in the backseat of
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  Speaker 2: the car.
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  Speaker 1: Is that is my job as a host. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the highly intriguing and volatile NFC South. Pat Donovan,
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  Speaker 1: one half of the Patent Aaron Show on ninety five
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  Speaker 1: to seven WDAE and Tampa, one of my iHeartRadio brethren,
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  Speaker 1: joins the show to break down the division. Pat, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm well man, great to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: So we got to vibe check the division. We do
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  Speaker 1: this with all of the divisions that we check in on.
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  Speaker 1: We're a couple in now, and I'm very curious to
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  Speaker 1: see how this conversation goes because this is one that
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  Speaker 1: I think if you were to ask one hundred NFL fans,
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  Speaker 1: where does the NFC South rank for you? In terms
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  Speaker 1: of general intrigue and fascination? You would get a wide
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  Speaker 1: array of answers. So in terms of intrigue for you,
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  Speaker 1: where does the NFC South rank? And the NFL hierarchy
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  Speaker 1: of interesting conferences or interesting divisions?
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  Speaker 5: I should say, I mean, as a box guy, right,
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  Speaker 5: it's at the top.
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  Speaker 3: But if I'm being objective, I think both South divisions
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  Speaker 3: are maybe among the least intriguing in their conferences.
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  Speaker 5: Right, I think if you look at both the AFC
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  Speaker 5: and NFC South, the NFC South is interesting because Baker
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  Speaker 5: makes it interesting. People love Baker, But overall it's a
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  Speaker 5: division that doesn't have a ton of stars, doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: a ton of star power, doesn't have a team that.
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  Speaker 3: Really stands out as the best. Right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that any of these teams could
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  Speaker 5: potentially win the division just because the division's not very good.
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  Speaker 1: Kendra, I know disagrees with that. Was this number one
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  Speaker 1: for you on your intrigue hierarchy? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Because it's just so dumb and stupid that I love
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  Speaker 4: it so much.
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  Speaker 1: This is a very drug. If we said which division
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  Speaker 1: is the drunkest division. This is definitely the answer.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be the most not entertaining from
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  Speaker 2: a high level football perspective, but from genuinely nobody has
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  Speaker 2: any idea what's going to happen in this division, and
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  Speaker 2: if you say you do, you're full of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Which is ninety percent of the reason why I bet
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  Speaker 1: the Falcons to win the division is because they just
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  Speaker 1: have the longest odds. And if we don't know, give
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  Speaker 1: me the longest odds.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I have other reasons, but that only makes up ten
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  Speaker 1: percent of the bet. Ninety percent of it is who
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  Speaker 1: the fuck knows, So let's just bet the team with
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  Speaker 1: the longest odds. Pat Does any team in this division?
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  Speaker 1: And we'll go team by team breakdown in a moment,
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  Speaker 1: of course, starting with your Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which you cover.
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  Speaker 1: Does any team in the division win ten games?
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  Speaker 3: I think all of them could potentially.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of doubt it, but if anybody's going to
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  Speaker 5: I do think it's the Buccaneers. I think they should
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  Speaker 5: be the favorite of the division, especially to some of
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  Speaker 5: the injuries that have happened around the division already. But listen,
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  Speaker 5: I think the Bucks are the best team in the division.
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  Speaker 5: But I've also told anybody who will listen, after the
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  Speaker 5: way last year ended, not just the losses, but the
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  Speaker 5: style of the losses. We saw people jawing at each
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  Speaker 5: other leaving the sidelines like it was not what we
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  Speaker 5: expected from a chemistry standpoint. I think the Bucks are
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  Speaker 5: the best in the division, but I also believe I
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  Speaker 5: won't be shocked if things work out really well for
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  Speaker 5: the Buccaneers and they turn out to be very good
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  Speaker 5: and shocked a lot of people. I also won't be
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  Speaker 5: shocked if it goes the wrong direction and they flat
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  Speaker 5: out sock.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is part of the analysis from Kendra,
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  Speaker 1: is that is there any result in this division that
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  Speaker 1: we could use the word shock for? Is there anything
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  Speaker 1: any order of finish for all four this division? By
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  Speaker 1: the way, Bucks at plus one seventy to win the division,
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  Speaker 1: Falcons at plus four hundred to win the division. That
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  Speaker 1: is the shortest range of any division in football. So
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  Speaker 1: it really depends on how you're defining intrigue. But that
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  Speaker 1: is how we get there. Let's start with the Tampa
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  Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers as we deep dive every single team within
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  Speaker 1: the NFC South. The Bucks lost two franchise legends and
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  Speaker 1: Mike Evans and Lavonte David. They disrespected their starting quarterback
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  Speaker 1: in Baker Mayfield with his contract offer that he did
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  Speaker 1: not like. They received a train requests from their best
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  Speaker 1: defensive player, Vita Vea, and yet they're still favored to
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  Speaker 1: win the division, which perfectly describes the NFC South. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, did I probably properly detail the issues here?
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  Speaker 1: Did I leave any meat on the bone as far
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  Speaker 1: as the problems for Tampa going into the season.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know those those are the ones, right, I
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  Speaker 5: mean that, and just figuring out where everybody fits, especially
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  Speaker 5: defensively where they're gonna have a lot of new faces.
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  Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I'm shocked at
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  Speaker 5: the way things have gone with Baker and that it's
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  Speaker 5: become so public and he's talked about how disappointed he
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  Speaker 5: is and feeling disrespected, not necessarily shocked, where with where
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  Speaker 5: vide Vea is because of his contract situation and the
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  Speaker 5: fact that he's had this foot issue that even though
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  Speaker 5: he hasn't missed a bunch of games, has bothered him
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  Speaker 5: over the last couple of years. And as a guy
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  Speaker 5: who even though I float around two forty now has
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  Speaker 5: been over three hundred pounds at one point in my life.
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  Speaker 5: Guys with feet problems are who are fat or large,
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  Speaker 5: I should say, they don't necessarily get better, right, So
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  Speaker 5: it's it's weird because I love Baker Mayfield and I
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  Speaker 5: love Vitaveya, and I want to see them both get paid.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, I totally understand why the
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  Speaker 5: Bucks are reluctant to give either of them the bag.
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  Speaker 4: I have a question for you. Are you more concerned?
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  Speaker 2: I like that there's continuity on the offense outside of
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  Speaker 2: Mike Evans. I know that Tristan Wurks is probably going
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  Speaker 2: to start week one if I'm not mistaken, unless you
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  Speaker 2: know something that I don't. On the defense to be ready, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. I like the addition
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  Speaker 2: of Alexandzeloni Ruben Bain should be a difference maker from
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  Speaker 2: day one. But if you look at the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there is a little bit of, you know, disgruntled players
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  Speaker 2: on the best player on the offense in Baker Mayfield
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  Speaker 2: and Vidavea on the defense, who are you more concerned
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  Speaker 2: about heading into kind of the thick of their schedule
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to get you know, probably four or
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  Speaker 2: five weeks in. Are you more concerned about the offense
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  Speaker 2: or the defense long term?
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  Speaker 5: I guess I'd say I'm more concerned about the defense.
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  Speaker 5: When it comes to Baker and Vita, I think they
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  Speaker 5: both end up well. We know Baker's not going anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: He's already he's not holding in, he's not doing any
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  Speaker 5: of that stuff. Vita has a quote unquote back issue
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  Speaker 5: right now that we all know is not a back
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  Speaker 5: issue right now. But when it comes down to it,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think the Bucks trade Vita a I don't
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  Speaker 5: think they can trade Veta.
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  Speaker 4: They told him too bad, so I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: they're going too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they also just slapped him up on the side
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  Speaker 5: of the stadium, a big fifty foot tall of vitave like.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's going anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: When it comes to those two, I think that once
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  Speaker 5: it's time for football, it's time for football. Those guys
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  Speaker 5: love their teammates, they love to play. I don't expect
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  Speaker 5: either of them to be an issue when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to both sides of the ball as a whole. If
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  Speaker 5: that offensive line is healthy, the offense should be very good.
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  Speaker 5: Mike Evans are not defensively. As I mentioned a little
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  Speaker 5: bit ago, there are so many new faces that you
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  Speaker 5: just don't know how it's all going to work. I
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  Speaker 5: think there's a decent chance it all works really well,
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  Speaker 5: and they are much better defense than they were a
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  Speaker 5: season ago. But there's also the chance that it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: fit and there is discombobulated defensively, as they've been the
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  Speaker 5: last couple of years. And if that's the case, it's
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  Speaker 5: almost impossible for the offense to be good enough to
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  Speaker 5: make up for it, for them to be real condenders.
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  Speaker 1: The offensive line underperformed in a big way. I was
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  Speaker 1: looking at some of the offensive line grades around the league.
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  Speaker 1: They graded out twenty eighth in the NFL last season.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of that injury related. How much better can
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  Speaker 1: they be than that? Because I would think talent wise,
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  Speaker 1: it swings in the complete opposite direction. This feels like
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  Speaker 1: a top five offensive line of football to me.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what, the end of twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 5: they were right. They were playing an elite brand of
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  Speaker 5: football in the offensive line towards the end of that season.
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  Speaker 5: I think if they weren't the best offensive line at
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  Speaker 5: the end of twenty twenty four, they were right there
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  Speaker 5: they were in the conversation, and if that offensive line
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  Speaker 5: is playing that brand of football, that offense is going
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  Speaker 5: to be very difficult to stop.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think most of it was
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  Speaker 3: on the injuries.
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  Speaker 5: You know, when you lose the best what I think
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  Speaker 5: is the best left tackle when he's right in football,
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  Speaker 5: and then you start screwing around. I think where they
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  Speaker 5: really fucked up, to be fair, was decign, hey, let's
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  Speaker 5: take Graham Barton and kick him over the left tackle
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  Speaker 5: from center, and now all of a sudden, they're moving
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  Speaker 5: pieces all over the offensive line. There was zero continuity
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  Speaker 5: on that offensive line last season, and I think it
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  Speaker 5: really hurt them. But what was scary is at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the year, as they got healthier, the offense
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  Speaker 5: continued to get worse. I think a lot of that
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  Speaker 5: is Josh Grizzard and a lot of piss poor play calling,
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  Speaker 5: to be fair, but the offensive line wasn't playing the
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  Speaker 5: brand of football they were at the end of twenty
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  Speaker 5: twenty four either. If they get even halfway back to
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  Speaker 5: the end of twenty twenty four, they'll be a good
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  Speaker 5: offensive line. If they looked like they did late in
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, they'll be a great offensive line and
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  Speaker 5: the offense will be really tough to stop.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about a Mechaguka for a second.
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  Speaker 2: The beginning of last year, he was in contention for
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  Speaker 2: offensive Rookie of the Year for a minute and just
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  Speaker 2: had an absolute fall off towards the end of the season. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he got hurt, but his production was not the same.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think his role is going to look
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  Speaker 2: like with obviously Mike Evans leading Baker kind of needing
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  Speaker 2: him to fill a role rather quickly, and kind of
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  Speaker 2: the uncertainty of where he left off less year.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's your number two wide receiver after Chris
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  Speaker 5: Godwin without question, And you're right right. It really looked
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  Speaker 5: like he hit a rookie wall last season, and I
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  Speaker 5: think that was part of it. Part of it also
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  Speaker 5: was what I just mentioned, that the offense got healthier
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  Speaker 5: and worse, and I just thought Josh Gizzard had a
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  Speaker 5: really poor plan when it came to getting the ball
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  Speaker 5: to his playmakers. I think we're gonna see them do
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  Speaker 5: a better job of that under Zach Robinson. But to me,
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  Speaker 5: a Mecha Buca is maybe a notch and just a
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  Speaker 5: notch below Chris Godwin when it comes to ability and talent,
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  Speaker 5: especially at this stage in Chris Godwin's career. I've been saying, though,
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  Speaker 5: I won't be surprised if we see on some sundays
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  Speaker 5: Chris looked like the best wide receiver on the team.
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  Speaker 5: Other sundays a Mecha Buca looked like the best wide
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  Speaker 5: receiver on the team. And even at times I think
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  Speaker 5: Jalen McMillan will look like the best wide receiver on
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  Speaker 5: the team. And that's why I still really love this group.
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  Speaker 5: That and what tes Johnson can do sneakily for this
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  Speaker 5: football team, and Ted Hurst has really been flashing in
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  Speaker 5: training camp. I really liked that room, even though they
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  Speaker 5: lost the greatest offensive player in the team's history.
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  Speaker 2: Kind Of a similar situation to make Baker Mayfield. Last year,
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  Speaker 2: there was a point where the first seven eight weeks
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  Speaker 2: of the season we talk about luck rankings a lot
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  Speaker 2: on our show, where they were the luckiest team. He
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  Speaker 2: was really clutch at the end of games, but also
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  Speaker 2: kind of had a little bit of a fallof heading
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  Speaker 2: into this season. We know he's the type of guy
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  Speaker 2: when people doubt him, he performs really well. Do you
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  Speaker 2: think that it was more so just an injury we
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  Speaker 2: didn't know about, or just some continuity with the team
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  Speaker 2: kind of crashing with injuries at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that he was more affected by the
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  Speaker 2: exit of Liam Cohen? What do you think that that
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  Speaker 2: was like for Baker last year.
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  Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you. I think the answers yes, right.
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  Speaker 5: I think the answers yes to just about all of
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  Speaker 5: those things, you know what I mean. I think it
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  Speaker 5: all kind of piled up. The injuries certainly did not
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  Speaker 5: help Baker Mayfield. But as much as I love Baker
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  Speaker 5: the man as a human being, he concerns me as
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  Speaker 5: a quarterback. I think there's a lot he leaves on
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  Speaker 5: the field. I think he's too risky, especially with his body,
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  Speaker 5: and eventually you take enough of a beating and he
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  Speaker 5: starts to look like Baker did at the end of
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  Speaker 5: last season. He's too risky. It's why I wouldn't give
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  Speaker 5: him the contract he wants right now. I totally understand
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  Speaker 5: why the Buccaneers are making him wait. The reality is,
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  Speaker 5: two out of three years, Baker's been good but not great.
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  Speaker 5: The other year in twenty twenty four, he was great.
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  Speaker 5: He was damn near elite. But the other two, the
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  Speaker 5: other two years, that wasn't the case. So if we
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  Speaker 5: get to the end of this season and all of
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  Speaker 5: a sudden, it's three out of four years you were
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  Speaker 5: good but not great, how much do I want to
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: pay you? And for how long do I want to
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: pay you? Especially if you continue to put your body
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: at risk and show that you can't stay on the
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: football field or stay the same player for the entirety
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: of the season. You start paying a guy like that
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: fifty five plus million dollars and then he can't stay
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: on the football field and you find yourself in a
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: lot of trouble.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: So I get where the bucks are at.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: But I think all of those things led into the
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: way that last season ended poorly for Baker, because it's
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: not any one thing, but it's definitely all those things
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: in my opinion.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: And it should be mentioned like they didn't offer him
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: a contract, They just didn't offer him a contract that
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: he liked. Yeah, they offered him fifty million dollars. That
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: fifty million dollar mark you're talking about, they offered that
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: to him, but it was only for two years. And
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I totally get I get it too, because if you're
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: the bucks. That's you want to tell yourself just because
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: he's a quarterback in the NFL. He kind of is,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: but like, I don't want to tie myself to that
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: long term with this guy. Acts like I just watched
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the season finale of House of Dragon. I'm not going
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: to spoil anything out there, but they're.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: No good the rest of the season. I don't know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: but the finale was great.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: They took way too long to build to it. But
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: there's this Viking dude from the north at the end
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that is just ready to go into battle and die
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: for everybody around him. That feels like Baker Mayfield and like,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: how do you not want to play with that guy?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: But he also you know, it doesn't end well. Okay,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't end well for him Hot Bowls.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: I I kind of remember how it ended for him
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: for some I just watched it last night too, and
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: I don't remember.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Like I'm a hold off. We'll talk about it offline.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Todd Bowles does he survive this season? It feels like
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: a lame duck coach right now.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: It's interesting because they really like Todd in the building
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: and there's a lot more belief inside one Buck place
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: than there is outside in Tampa Bay.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: When it comes to.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Todd Bowles, I love Todd. I just I think it
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: has to work well this year, and it doesn't mean
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: they have to even win a playoff game. They could
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: get in the playoffs, and if the playoff game looked
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: good and felt good, like a couple of years ago,
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: they just get destroyed in the first round of the
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: playoffs at home. If that happens again, I don't know
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: that he survives it. But it's all about, I think,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: the full direction of the team, because I think right now,
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: like I said earlier, they could go any number of ways,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: and if it goes the right way enough, I wouldn't
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: be shocked if they kept him, because they do love
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Todd Bowles. But I think it's got to feel like
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: they're heading somewhere. In the last four years, it's just
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: kind of been like, well, they're good enough to win
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: the division because the division sucks, and then last year
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: it didn't even happen.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the problem. It's like the division still stinks,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you gotta win it when and they're favored to do
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: so this year, All right, let's go around the horn
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and We'll move on to the other teams inside of
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the division. Best way to bet the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I'm out on the Bucks this year. I'll say it's
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: under their win total, under eight and a half wins
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I've already placed it in
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the app.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Kendra, I would say the same.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Haven't placed it because I have a bet somewhere else
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: in this division.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: But I agree with you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I love Baker, especially after watching him on the Quarterback
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: documentary on Netflix this year, I found a new love
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: for him. But this team is I talk about teams
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: often that have like the perfect amount of young talent
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: and guys who are kind of on their last leg
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: as leaders in the league, and this on paper seems
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: like it would be a good mix of the two.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: But it just seems like a disaster waiting to have.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, vibes are off, Pat, What would you say on
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the Bucks? How how would you lay your dollars?
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Yeahs I can tell.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: Well, No, It's it's so weird because, like I said,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: I could see this going either way, but we all
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: believed so much last year.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of us anyways, and I did.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I thought the Bucks.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Going into the season, We're going to win eleven games
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: or twelve games and be a Super Bowl contender. And
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: boy did it look like that way early on, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: then they just shit the bed. I would bet, if
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I had to bet, I would bet the over. I
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: just have a sneaky, a sneaky feeling that this defense
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: is going The defense doesn't have to be great here,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: because the offense is going to be good, if the
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: offensive line stays healthy, if the defense could just fucking
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: play adequately for the first time and almost forever, just
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: be adequate, just be adequate, and you know what, they
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: finally get some depth at outside linebacker. I like the
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: moves they made it inside linebacker. I think they're good
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: enough defensively, not top five defense, probably not even a
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: top ten defense, but good enough to compliment an AWE.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: But I think is going to be dangerous. If I
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: had to bet, i'd take the over. But like I said,
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: I won't be shocked if they shit the bet either.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And if they do plus four to twenty five to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: finish last, you can bet that on DraftKings if you
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: want to find that market as well. Let's switch over
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to the Sad Cats. The Carolina Panthers snuck into the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: NFL postseason.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Last year, Delang talking about your Falcons.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: No, it's not delaying. I'm saving the best for last,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: is what I'm doing, Kendra. They got into the playoffs
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: with a record of eight and nine. They'd lost three
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: of their final four games and still made it into
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and then they pushed the Rams to the brink.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That was a great cover by the podcast. By the way,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: lost in the wild card round by three, but that
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: created some expectations for this team. I think a lot
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of folks are higher on Carolina at this point in
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the offseason than they were at this point in the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: offseason last year. Pat Could they have the best defense
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in the division and is that enough to carry them
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: potentially to a division crown.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: I think they could have the defense in the division
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: unless some other teams play really good offensively and or
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: the Bucks actually find a way to play defense this year.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: I do think it could be enough. I like I said,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I like the Bucks better than Carolina this year. Carolina
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: is already starting to deal with some major injuries out
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: of training camp, which is bad news for them, but
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I do really like their defense a lot. Although I
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: think Ashawn Robinson heading over here to Tampa Bay is helpful, right,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: But I like their offseason a lot before the injuries
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: started during training camp. I think they did it as
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: good of a job as anybody this offseason. So I'm
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: just I'm curious how you hear three works for Dave Canalis?
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Did did other teams find something that's going to find
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: a way to like kind of make them take a
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: step backwards instead of a step forward which it looks
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: like they're ready to take.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: How confident are you in the quarterback play this season?
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Is there any volatility to it whatsoever?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: That's in Carolina the biggest quest for this football team.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, Bryce Young earned his keep last year.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, Kenny Pickett. I'm not worried about it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: And am I going to overreact to a Hall of
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Fame game that was absolutely electric? Yes?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: If Haines King looks like that and Bryce Young stumbles whatsoever?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Is there a question to be had here? Did Bryce
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Young truly earn his keep last year? Because I know
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that you might not be a podcast listener, I was
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the Panther's biggest fan last year had them winning the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: division going into the preseason, had there over on the season.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: But I think that the best thing that ever happened
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to Bryce Young was getting benched for a minute. And
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I just don't know based off of not knowing who
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: he is as a professional, because of the black and
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: white that he's shown us, how promising and how much
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I believe in him as much as I want to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: for the entirety of a season.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he hasn't proven it yet, right, And there's a
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: lot of guys in that boat there. There's a handful
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: of great quarterbacks in this league, and then there's kind
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: of everybody else. And he certainly hasn't shown that he's
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: a great quarter I've said the entirety of my career.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: In my opinion, you're one of two teams in the NFL.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: You're a team with a star quarterback, or you're a
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: team looking for a star quarterback. And I think there's
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: no question that Carolina is still the team looking for
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: a star quarterback.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I like some of what we saw from Bryce Young
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: last year. I think it would have to be really bad.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: They'd have to almost fall out a playoff contention for
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: them to completely give up on him again, because I
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: think you could do what you did with Bryce Young
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: before now as far as benching him for a veteran quarterback.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: But you don't really have that guy now anyways.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: And I don't know how many times you can give
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: up on a young quarterback before you've just given up
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: on that young quarterback.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Rico Dowdell's exit from this offense?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Chuba Hubbard looked like the guy in the twenty twenty
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: four season. I believe it was their London gamer. He
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: had that breakout game, tons of yards, a couple of touchdowns,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: looked really promising, and then out of nowhere, rigo'dowdell just
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: has an insane season last year. Are you what are
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on Chewba Hubbard being able to step back
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: into that role after kind of a surprise to all
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of us last season.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was shocked at how well Rico played last year,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: and I do I am a Chewba Hubbard guy.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I've said for a long time Emmitt Smith was not
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: the greatest running back in the history of the NFL.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Even though he has the most yardage.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: He just happened to play behind the best offensive line
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: in the NFL. I don't want to say running back
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: through a dime. It does, and I don't want to
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: disrespect people. But for the most part, if you're not
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Bejon Robinson, if you're not you know one of a
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: couple of guys in this league, you know, Jamiir Gibbs,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: there's like outside of that. To me, it's all about
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: the horses up front. Maybe it's because I'm fat, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I think it's about offensive line play. And if you
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: get great offensive line play, you're gonna get good things
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: out of your run. And there's a lot of guys
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: that can run the football well for you if you
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: block for them, and I think both those guys kind
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: of fall in that category.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the uh the offensive line. Well,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you touched on it right there. If they are able
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to get those sort of improvements, then we could be
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: looking at a different offense for them. The problem is
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: pat they're already dealing with injuries to both tackles on
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: their offensive line. Robert Hunt, their big mauling guard, hasn't
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: made his way back yet. We already got bad news
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: on the defense with Nick Gorton. But it feels like
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: because of the O line, because of the injury they
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: already sustained to a key linebacker position. They may have
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: overpaid Devin Lloyd. We I mean absolutely not.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Don't even start with me. That was the cheapest deal
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: they were.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Going to get him on and I'll never forget the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Jaguars for not signing him for that amount of money.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I don't care how much dead cap they had from Trumpull.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: They let that man walk for a reason. I'll just
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: say that now. I mean, that's not my opinion, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that's theirs, because they if they wanted him that bad,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: they would have kept him. But I'm a little there's
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: just a lot of volatility with the Panthers. I think
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of all these teams, I could see I could make
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a case for them being the best and the worst.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I think I could do it better with Carolina than
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: an Do you see that sort of volatility in them
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: or do you think that there's some stability in what
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Carolina is going to be this year?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: No, I totally agree with you.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: It feels early on a little bit like last year
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: for the Buccaneers, like, wait, who's down now? And there's
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: only so long you can sustain that, you know before
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: it starts to really impact your team in the box,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: a much more veteran group a year ago, and you
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: saw how the injuries impacted them.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: So no doubt about it. I think Carolina could be
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: in trouble.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So Bryce Young last year is to go back to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the quarterback position, set career highs in completion percentage, passing yards,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: yards per attempt, and passing touchdowns and touchdown to interception ratio,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: still ranking towards the bottom of the league in all
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of those stats. So this is the weird thing, Pat,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is that this is the analysis that Carolina walks into
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the season with. You're talking about an ascending player. He
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: was significantly better last year than at any other point
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, he's still He did our top
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: twenty list and I don't Well, he cracked it for Kendrick,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: but Kendra also left Justin Herbert off the list, so technically,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young one.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I forget about him. Sometimes he's just a vanilla white boy.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Listen. I thought I was the only one accidental.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, she does think it was accident.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: It was accidental. I did it was it was a
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: whole thing. It was a whole thing. He's just He.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Belongs in the top twenty without question.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Oh he belongs in the top ten.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: But he's very overrated.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Agree, And he's just a guy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Nobody's gotten more credit for having pretty hair than Justin Herbert.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Oh my god.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: This is why he's getting it brushed during practice by
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: his lovely fiance.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, but you know what you get out of jail
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: free card for that one.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: She is I'm no better than a man.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: We all understand it. We all understand it. But uh,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young not top twenty, and I think they're going
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to need him to crack into that. I saw glimpses
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of it. The weird thing with Bryce too, is that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in some of the biggest games last year, I thought
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: he looked great. I thought he looked great in the playoffs,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: he looked great against the Rams in the regular season.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And then you know, he's got games where he struggles
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to get above a buck fifty passing And this isn't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: you know, this isn't a fantasy podcast. But yeah, if
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you struggle to get the two hundred yards passing, chances
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: are that's on you and not everybody else here.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: I's not right the stats across the board not very good,
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: but in big moments and late in games, which I
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: guess is big moments as well. But in big moments
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: he showed up the best last year. And I think
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: that's why if I'm a Panthers fan, which I'm not,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: but if I'm a Panthers fan, that's what I'm holding
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: on to, is like We've got this step where he
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: looks good in big moments. Now we just need the
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: whole offense to come together. If I'm a Brice Young believer,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure I'm quite there, but I think there's
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: some things you can point to and say, if other
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: things work out a little bit better, he can be enough.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm there, but if I'm a
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Panthers fan, I'm certainly trying to convince myself.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Final question for me, does Xavier Lagette suck? Or does
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you just need a change of scenery?
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: You know what, I think he could need a change
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: of scenery. It's listen, it's tough when you don't get
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: very good quarterback play right, and and some wide receivers.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I wouldn't I wouldn't blame his issues
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: on that. I gotta be real.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Well, listen, and what I was going to say is like,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: you've got to be a professional, and you've got to
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: be a guy that remains engaged when things aren't coming
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: your way and when things aren't going well with your
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: quarterback or the offense in general.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: And that's where I wonder about him, is is he
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that guy?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I have a hard time blaming guys when we
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: judge them off of their price in a draft judge,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: we judge them off of the capitol used to draft them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The safe you're leget was never a first round pick.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: We're judging him off of being a first round pick.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: He never should have been one. It's like the criticism
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I hear about Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson never should have
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: been a top five pick in the NFL draft, but
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: we judge him off of that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: That's where I'll separate from you just a little bit,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: because whenever a quarterback puts up his hand, that's that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: enough for me, Like, wait, you want to come up.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I would have been that would have been bad no
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: matter he was. He sucked before that, he would have
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you know, he judged him for that, no matter where
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he was drifted.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Not to get off topic here, but.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And has really scared the ship out of me as
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: a gym girl, because now I am terrified to break
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: my orbital bone with one of the like bands. It
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: is a fear that I I I think I see
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: my life flashed before my eyes every time I look
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: at one of those.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Now, could you that had to hurt?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: He has like temporary blindness even now.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I was listening to a podcast about that this morning,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: New Fear Unlocked.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Actually, I'm going to add it to my list of
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: fears right now.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's weird that you have a list going on
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: your phone for that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: But that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Hurt, Yeah, that's right, you know, And and you'll have
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: great eyesight for the rest of your life because of it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Best way to bet the Carolina Panthers in twenty twenty six, guys,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna roll back what worked for us. Kendra
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: sold us properly on the Panthers last year. I bought
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: in and they made me money. I got the end
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: of the year wrapped how your year in betting went
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: from the Action Network app, and the Carolina Panthers made
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: me more money than any other team in the NFL.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Way better than the Spotify rapped by the way, So
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: thank you Kendra for walking me into that. I'm just
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: gonna continue where we left off Panthers week one plus
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: two and a half against the Bears. So that's that's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: how because I have no idea what this team is
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: gonna do this year, So I'll just bet them week
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: one and we'll just kind of roll from there. Pat,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: how would you look at laying your dollars on Carolina?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Where are you the most confident in them?
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: I might take the under. I might take the under
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: on wins, just because again, it just feels like last
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: year for the Buccaneers, where they're just they're they're falling
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: into injuries and I don't know if this team has
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: enough to withstand it. I mean the Bucks didn't, and
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I think they are a more talented group.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're over unders, sitting at seven and a half.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: What about you, Kendre? Are you back in it? Sounds
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like you might be out on your.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Sund I'm feeding the sad cats.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: If I'm gonna bet this team at all, it's gonna
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: probably be some weekly props.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, feel in touchdowns. Let's move to the Saints New
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Orleans might be the only team in the division that
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: isn't picking up bad press with trade requests injuries.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: If I was not already.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Pot committed to the Falcons, this would be my team
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: right now. Good defense and offense that showed signs last year.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: They added Trevor Travis Eatn. Actually, I'm gonna need until
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like week six to do that. Jordan Tyson, I really
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: like him out of the draft. If he can get
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that Hammy situation straightened out, I'm intrigued. Pat is this
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the most talented team top to bottom if we're judging
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: both offensive quality and defensive quality, I think the Saints
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: have a case to be the most talented team in
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the NFC South.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's the Bucks.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: But I might be a little bit biased, but I
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: really like what New Orleans has done the last couple
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: of years, especially when you consider the cap hell that
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: they've been in to figure it out. And what's interesting is,
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: you know a lot of people think Atlanta is going
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: to be better than New Orleans this year. A lot
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: of people think Atlanta might win the division. It might
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: sound crazy, but there's a lot more stability at the
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: quarterback position in New Orleans. With Tyler Shuck than there
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: is an Atlanta with Is it to a tongue of Ioloa?
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I just I don't know.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: It's it's very interesting, Like I almost forgot Michael Penix's
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: name for a second there. He's going to bring that
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: big Penix energy, but is he going to be on
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: the football field. I I love Michael Pennix as a
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: guy that I've met here locally, is a Tampa Bay guy,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: and I just I'm a fan of his talent, But
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: I just wonder is he ever going to be on
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: the football field?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Man, I you can't hurt my feelings about this. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: got in on there over when it came out at
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the year.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on Tyler Shuck.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously didn't start the season last year, there was some
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: confusion over who would be their starter, played half the season,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and was still in it at the end for Offensive
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Do you think it was just one of these situations.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: We see often where a rookie who's older has played
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of football comes in and the game has
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: maybe just slown down enough for them to make an impact.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Or do you really believe in him in the long term.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: It's funny because I just mentioned a lot more stability
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: with Tyler Shuck than I see in Atlanta right now
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: with what's going on there. But at the same time,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I think it would be naive. Right now, I'd be like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: franchise quarterback. The guy's shown me everything I need to see.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not a lot of young players flash early in
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: their career and people find one or two things they
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: don't do well and exploit that and completely change the
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: trajectory of that guy's career. So I'm not sold that
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: he's a franchise guy and he's one of the best
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the NFC or anything like that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: But I like what we saw from him last year.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I like his poise, and I think he's got a
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: good chance to be a good quarterback in this league.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: I've always said I think we give up on quarterbacks
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: and coaches way too fast in the NFL. I think
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: if they're patient with Tyler Shock, they might have their guy.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You know, what's talking about calling him a young guy
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: is that he's the exact same age as Trevor Lawrence.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Is that weird?
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: I would call listen, I'm forty eight, Brandon, all right,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I'm forty eight, I get a very gray beard.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I called I called Trevor Lawrence a young guy as well.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I Shuck is already a pro.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: I have a question about Chris o'lave.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Obviously big payday, but one concussion away from maybe in
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: early retirement.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on him getting paid?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: This offense for me makes a lot more sense on
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: paper now with the addition of Travis E Travis eight chan.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Because I think we need no, we need it, we
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: need community agreement. We can't have me and you calling
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: him a different name on this podcast. I have devon
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a Chan and I can't. I can't do this. I'm sorry.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You can't hit me with a different name midway through
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: your career.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: It's talk about I don't want to talk about my
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: question now.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna pivot this because this is this
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: is on brand for us. Pat Do you think are
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: you going to call him ETN or a Chan? Because
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I'm very much in the camp and I've said this
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: so many times when Jacorey Krofsky Merrit came out last
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: year and.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Was like call me Bill, all right, you're a rookie.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: You want to go buy a bill. You told me
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: early on. I can get used to it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's fair or fell for him to
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: come out, what five years into his career and be like, actually,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: my name is a chan after just sitting there and
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: taking it for five seasons in the NFL, what what
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: are your What's what's the vibe here?
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Not as long right for Jon Robinson, but he did
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: the same thing last year. It was like, actually, it's
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: a little weird to me. To me, the first time
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: somebody fucks up my name, I'm gonna like Pat's tough
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: to get wrong, although people call me Matt all the time,
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: but you know, like the second somebody messes up my name,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm going to tell them how to pronounce it properly.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: It's very weird to me to wait years to be like, oh,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: by the way, I think I've earned it now for
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: you to say my name correctly. But I've Junior camon
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Aro is so much more fun to say than junior
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: common arrow, and just about everybody calls them camon arrow.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: But ever since I've heard that it was supposed to
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: be common arrow, I've tried to correct it and say
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: it correctly.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: All the time, and I do a pretty good like.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: I want to call guys by what their name is,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: even if they're too shy or quiet or whatever the
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: hell it is that makes them wait years. Once I
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: know that your name should be pronounced a specific way,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna try. One of my best friends growing up,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: his name was Hereton Rakat to man Bettin, except every
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: time i'd say that, he would tell me I was
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: pronouncing it wrong and say the same fucking thing.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Right back to me. But I want to try, at
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: least to get it right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Did anybody else notice that within the first five minutes
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of the broadcast, Tarrico called Trevor Trevor.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Ah, I did not notice that.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yes I did, probably because you guys weren't looking for it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: But Panthers, obviously he was getting some playing time because
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I think he's their third string.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Immediately within the first five minutes of the broadcast, Rika
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: called him a chan.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I'm of the belief that once you get like five
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: years removed, and I'm just throwing an arbitrary number in there,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: but about five years removed from people calling you a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: certain name, you now lose the rights to how your
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: name is pronounced. It now belongs to the ether, it
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: belongs to the community at large that's talking about you,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and you are just simply the label. So that's the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: way that I view it. And this goes back to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: it's not like we just started learning about this guy.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: He was a star in college. I called him ETN
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: when he played at Clemson. Two.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Does that mean change the name on my license to asshole?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Now if you want to go buy asshole? Yeah, we
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: got you, Okay, we got you.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Speaking of running backs, though, there's a guy that's backing
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: him up, that has put together a Hall of Fame career,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: arguably Alvin Kamara. What does what kind of role does
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: he play? This is odd to me that they've gone
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: through this restructuring, this rebuild. You don't often see legendary
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: running backs slide to a backup role later on in
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: their career with the team that they helped build.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when they brought in h Chan, I guess it
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: seemed like the writing was on the wall right that
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Alvin Kamara would be somewhere else, But apparently he really
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: loves New Orleans. I think he's a guy that can
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: certainly lend a hand to everybody in the room as
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: far as just being that veteran voice and a guy
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: that you know that they trust there in New Orleans.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: And I just think he's going to be a guy
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: that everybody misses time, especially at the running back position,
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: right it's a difficult position to get through and when
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: you need to rely on somebody that's not one of
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: your top guys, and you can rely on a guy
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: like like Alvin Kamara, like you gotta feel pretty good
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: about that. So not shocked that he ended up back
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: there after his long career there, but it will be interesting.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, it'd be interesting to see how
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: much he's really utilized. But what a great guy to
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: have on the back burner if you need him for
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: limited snaps.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Pat over under for the Saints sitting at seven and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: a half, would you take the over or the under
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: on them? Season long?
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: I feel the same way about this whole division. It's insane.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: They're just all like, oh, they could be good. They
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: could suck like I literally think everything and we were
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: talking about it, and you talked about the odds being
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: as close as they are. Any team in this division
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: could shock everyone and be really good or just suck
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: out loud I think I'm gonna take the over with
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: New Orleans because of my disbelief in what's going on
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: in Carolina with the injuries and Atlanta. I just don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: know if they're going to land on a quarterback.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Ever.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Saints' thirty easiest division or easiest schedule in the NFL too,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't hurt. That does not hurt, Kendra. The
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: best way to bet the Saints, I think you've already
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: done it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I have Fate's already tracking in the action app as
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: we speak, Ladies and germs.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hedge my bets on on New Orleans here
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and just bet Kellen Moore to win Coach of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Year at twelve to one, because if the Saints do
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: hit they're upside, then I think he's gonna I'm gonna
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: throw that.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: By the way, Yeah, maybe the most wrong I was
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: last year is going into the season, I said Kellen
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Moore was the best quarterback on the team.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, well, you know, going into the season, that
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't a bad take. Actually, uh, Matt Ryan might be
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the best quarterback on the team. We're about to discuss.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It is time for the reason you all hit play today.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: My Atlanta Falcons new regime, Raheem Morris, Terry Fontino, the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: GM gone, the Falcons ushering in the Stefanski Ryan administration.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Quarterback I know, giant question mark two often injured lefties
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that we gotta trust if you're laying the dollars on Atlanta.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I don't love the fact that they lost Jalen Walker
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: in training camp either. He had five and a half
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: sacks as a rookie last year.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: But other than that, and the other guy's cuckoo for
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: cocoa puffs.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And yeah, James Pierce is the other guy who had
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: He was a later drafts pick, had more sex than
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Jalen Walker last year ten and a half led the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: team and he could be suspended for half the year,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the whole year. We have no idea we still have
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: or he could be in jail. It's also a possibility.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I'm a buyer in the Falcons. I can give you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the full sales pitch later, Pat, but where are you
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: on this football team?
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: I'm not And because of what we've just talked about
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: with both of the defensive ends and what's happened there,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: you're also talking about a new head coach and man,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: you gotta find a way to believe in a guy
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: who has fired from the Cleveland Browns, Like, that's not easy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: And I actually like Kevin Stefanski. I think he can
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: be a good coach, but I just I.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Like Michael Pennick so much, but I don't know that
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: he can stay on the field. And I'm not sold
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: on to a tongue of via Looa. There's very few
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: things where I will take something that you said and
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: be like, I can't believe in you now right?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: What do you see?
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: The Arizona State head coach was just playing nursery rhymes
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: at practice yesterday.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I can't believe in you after that. And yeah, it's just.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: It's a really really weird, really weird spot that Atlanta
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Falcons are in, having to rely on Stefanski having two
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks that can't stay on the field, and then to
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: a tongue of Ioloa telling us last year, well, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: couldn't see over my offensive lineman.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I would like to play a game. Here's the game
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that I would like to play. Is there any team
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: in the NFL remove the Falcons from this, that you
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: would want to go starting in Week two? Remove the
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: division from it. We're going to account for the fact
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: that they're divisional games, because divisional games are different. So
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Week two, the Falcons are going to play the Panthers,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: then they're going to head into the Packers. They're going
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: to play another divisional game against the Saints. They're going
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to go to the Race, or they're going to play
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the Ravens at home, play the Bears at home, play
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers at home, play another divisional game
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: against the Buccaneers, and then they're going to play the Falcons,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And then they're going to play the Chiefs.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: And then they're going to play the Vikings, which is
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: a question.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: You said they're going to play the Falcons. They are
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the Falcons.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, they're going to play They're going to play
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs, the Vikings, which are a question mark, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: then they're going to play the Lions. Is there any team,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: even with a good quarterback situation, good roster situation, that
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: you would want to throw into that gauntlet and assume
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that they're going to win the division, let alone have
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl future on them.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: It's a great point. It's a very tough stretch, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: it's a tough stretch with.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: That is Week two to December sixth, By the way, Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: It's a tough stretch without you know, a real certainty
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: at quarterback, and I think that makes it very, very tough.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: That's one of the things that makes me, as much
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: as I'm uncertain about the Buccaneers, confident they can win
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: this division. When you talk about scheduling, a lot of
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: teams get really tough schedules, and the Bucks isn't necessarily
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: the easiest schedule. But what they don't have all season
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: long is back to back road games, and I think
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: that's very beneficial. They do have two road games in
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: a row, but there's a bye week in between, so
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: they don't actually go on the road two weeks in
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: a row all season long.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Still nothing further from me, your honor, Well, that was
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: quite the case that you built.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I think offensively they have the most talent in the division.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons massive coaching upgrade. A guy
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that's won Coach of the Year twice.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Who'reback part of the offense though, Right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, but here's the thing. All I hear is how
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: bad this team is going to be at quarterback. I
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: happen to like Michael Pennix I like the upside.
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  Speaker 4: Total a brain and a half and maybe one and
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  Speaker 4: a half acls.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good thing there's two of them then, Okay, So
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I like the upside of Michael Pennix more than two.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: But the floor of Tua and two likely starts the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: season for this team is so much higher than people
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: give him credit for. And I am not a to
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a guy, but I wasn't a to a guy as
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: let's pay him as like he's Patrick Mahomes. That's not
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the case anymore. Tua's playoff record one and one, the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: only quarterback in the division at five hundred or better
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's two and three, Bryce Young's oh to one.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Shucks never played in the playoffs. He's one of
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: two quarterbacks in the division, Baker Mayfield the other one,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: who's thrown for four thousand yards in a season. He
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: notoriously struggles in cold weather. We hate him for that,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Atlanta winter months play against two cold weather teams outdoors,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the Browns not tough and the Washington Commanders. We have
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: no idea what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeh?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, and we get a revenge. Great point. Gone are
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: the days of having to take Tua into Buffalo, New
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: York in December, where he's gonna get slaughtered. Career winning
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: percentage Tua fifty seven percent, every other quarterback in the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: division below five hundred, including Baker Mayfield who's at forty
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: eight percent. And if you go, well, well, well what
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: about his day with Tampa fifty three percent, which is
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: still a lower win rate than Tua. Are we sure
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: that he's that much worse than everybody else in the division.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I rest my case.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're helping yourself that he's literally one
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: hit away from just not playing, and it is possible
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and accusing Michael Pennix to be the guy you want
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: to start long term, but you're talking late season two
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: a tongue of Iloa playing in the cold.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I'd like the fact that, yeah, well, I like the
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: fact that I've got two I've got two options at
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: mediocrity with A. I love the roster around them.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: See me and my Brown's future. When I'm like, there's
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: no drop off between them, it's.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Fine, Yeah, but they're they're both bad. I think what
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to sell you is that Penis has a
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: chance to be really good and Tua is already decent
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: when he's on the field. The issue with two is
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: the concussions.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, you've had Kirk Cousins who didn't have any lower
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: body anything, and now you have a guy who's had
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: two latecl surgeries on this one, one knee and a
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: third on the other.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Let's plant the flag on the NFC South. Shut up,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to plant my flag here.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're really.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Planning your flag in that sex. I will start with also,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: my best way to bet the Falcons, which is just
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: for them to win the division, this crappy division, and
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: why not them?
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Now division winners? Four to one on the Atlanta Falcons.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I've stated my case one hundred times on this podcast.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I've been waiting months for this pat Their win total
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: is sitting at six and a half. It is the
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: lowest among all of the NFC South teams. So are
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you that out on the Atlanta Falcons.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, you might take the over on six and a half.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: I'm not sold on the Atlanta Falcons to win the
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: division or really be a contender this year because I
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: just and I'm with you, dude, I think Michael Penix
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: can be very good. I just don't know if he's
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: going to ever stay on the football field for a
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: seventeen game season. That's my concern about Michael Pennix is
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: that we'll never really see who we.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Could have been.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Andrew best way to bet the Falcons plant the flag,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: bet on the NFC South take us home.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I want nothing to do with this team.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Is there like a prop of over two and a
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: half quarterbacks to see the field?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I would think so, Wally Murk, So maybe maybe we
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: can get it on the prediction markets? All right, what
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: about division wide? What's your face? Is it the Saints?
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: It's the only thing I have tracking I this division
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: is too gross for anything else. The Falcons schedule, they
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: this might be a hot take. The Saints might have
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the easiest schedule. They might have the most difficult. Like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I know there's conversations for Dallas and the Bearers and
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: other people, but for me Atlanta with the injuries and
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: chaos that they're already facing. I wish you guys were
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: young enough to get SpongeBob meames. But it feels like
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the episode of SpongeBob where he got beat up. One
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: of his eyes has crossed his tongues across the room
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: and he's like just literally crawling to the finish line.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: My co host this is thirty six.
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  Speaker 5: My producer is twenty six, So I appreciate you piling
• 50:04
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  Speaker 4: You're welcome.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I never understand a word that comes out of her mouth,
• 50:10
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  Speaker 2: Pat.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy the football season. I'm sure that we will chat
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: again soon. My friend.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Always fun talking to you, good meeting everybody else.
• 50:28
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