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🎪 Witches, Hexes & Cursed Objects: Would You Bring Annabelle Home? | Salem Witch Trials, Haunted Dolls & Spooky Lore · This Is My Circus

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  I'm Stephanie.
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  I'm Meredith.
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  And welcome to This Is My Spooky Circus.
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  I like spooky circus.
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  Me too.
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  I like the shoulder shimmy too.
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  Just kinda shimmy shake.
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  I'll do it just on my head'cause my- No, my- my hat will fall off.
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  Your hat might fall and mine is loud.
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  Yep.
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  So we, we've got all kinds of issues today.
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  So this week we are discussing witches, hexes, curses, and apparently controversial decisions to leave creepy old stuff exactly where we found it.
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  I don't know why we feel the need to take out, like, mummies out of tombs, but this is the world.
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  They can stay there.
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  Yeah.
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  They can stay there.
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  I'm fascinated and wanna know the history, but don't take it out.
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  No.
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  you're releasing all the funky spirits.
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  Mm-mm.
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  No thank you.
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  Especially, like, the old Egyptian ones with, like, all the ooh.
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  And I'm like, have we not learned anything from Jumanji?
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  Yeah.
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  Leave it in the box.
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  Right.
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  Don't say anything's name three times.
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  Don't do anything.
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  No, no.
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  Don't open anything.
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  No.
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  Leave it where it is.
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  Yeah, I'm with you.
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  Um- I'm with you.
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  How's your week been going?
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  Uh, it's, it's okay.
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  Yeah?
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  It's just, yeah.
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  I mean, do you want me to be honest?
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  As honest as you want to be with them.
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  Uh, I mean, um, my week has been going fine.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I'm just, we've talked before about depression and stuff, and I'm just in a phase right now where I have no motivation and just feeling that way.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So I mean, it'll cycle through and I'll be fine, but I'm just in a very blah place.
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  Yeah.
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  It'll be okay.
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  I love this time of year.
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  We talked about that before, like, love this time of year.
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  Everything's fun and exciting and it feels good, but just, ugh.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's all right, though.
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  I just gotta make it through and then it'll turn around, or I'll up my meds, so.
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  This too shall pass.
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  Exactly, one way or the other.
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  What about you?
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  Went to a haunted trail or whatever, haunted house thing this weekend, so that was, interesting.
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  It's the first one I've been to in forever.
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  So it was a trail, so outside.
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  Well, it was outside and inside.
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  Okay.
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  It was like, it was really like, long.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, but- Good.
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  Money's worth?
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  Yeah.
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  Would you want to be in the front or the back?
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  Uh, no, I did not want to be in the front.
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  I was not in the front.
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  I was, like, second to last in our, like, little group and, I...
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  I would much rather be, of course, in the middle.
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  Yeah.
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  But I will take front all day long.
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  And I'll be in the front, it's just not as fun for me when I'm in the front'cause I see them coming.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  It's not, I don't really get the jump scare thing.
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  I do.
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  I do if I'm in the middle, but like, if I can, if I can see- Really?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, like, if I see somebody standing there, like, getting ready to scare me, I'm like,"Get the girl three behind me,""She's gonna be really good." Well, and I don't know if it was just, the actors were tired or like, whatever.
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  Uh-huh.
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  But a lot of them were just, creeping, not making any, jumps or, not making any noise.
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  Yeah.
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  And then a lot of them were just like,"Oh, can I have your ear?" I'm like,"No, I like my ear where it is." My ear is fine, I need that.
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  No, thank you.
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  Have a matching set.
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  Gonna keep them together.
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  So a lot of it wasn't, super scary.
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  Yeah.
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  But the, lake guy- Mm-hmm scared me more than the actors did, so.
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  He was behind me and just kept making me jump.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Well- So at least you got scared, so you did get money's worth you know what I got scared by this weekend?
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  Huh?
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  Went and saw Verity.
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  Oh, it's out?
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  It's out.
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  I didn't know it was out.
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  And, you know, we read the book, we talked about it.
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  I think, didn't we talk about it?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Did we do that on the show?
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  Okay.
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  I knew I had read it, but I couldn't remember if we talked about it, and it was disturbing.
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  Mm.
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  I, I mean, all her books are disturbing.
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  But it's different to see That was Colleen- Hoover.
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  Yeah, her, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's-'Cause that book was different than, her normal books, I feel like.
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  It was like a totally different vibe than her other books.
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  Watching the movie, I just felt like it was more twisted than the other ones, and I guess'cause there was children involved.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But it's the one, you know, where the author is, and she is a ghost writer and all that kind of stuff, anyway, seeing some of the things that the author had written about- Mm-hmm in action, and I wasn't prepared for seeing them.
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  I Yeah.
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  I did that in the movie theater.
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  Yeah.
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  And I was with Olivia and she was like,"Are you okay?" And I was like,"I just A, forgot about it or wasn't expecting to see it- Mm-hmm written IRL." Yeah.
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  Not just in my head.
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  Yeah.
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  It was a good one though.
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  But I left feeling hollow.
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  Oh.
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  Like n- there's not a, a good ending.
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  There's not an ending, like it just is very ambiguous.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I need some kind of resolution, good or bad.
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  Yeah.
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  I just need to know something.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And, uh, there's just not really, so.
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  well, I started watching Crystal Lake this weekend- Yeah which is like the Jason prequel series.
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  Yeah.
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  And I love scary movie.
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  I don't like gory, I don't like- Mm-mm gore.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so this was very gory.
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  Very gory, okay.
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  I'm like,"Mm." Yeah.
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  Could do without that.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  I like to be scared.
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  Right, but you don't want to see all the- I don't guts and stuff like, gross.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I started re-watching The Vampire Diaries'cause after we did the vampire thing last week and I was like,"I can't remember who some of these are.
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  Let me just re-watch." Forgot how much I enjoyed it.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  It's really good.
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  I love The Vampire Diaries.
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  It's really good, and it's one of those that's just right up my alley that you can watch and if you miss a little bit you're gonna be all right.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  You can pick up what they're putting down without being 100% there.
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  Yeah.
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  But then, the other part of my head is like, they're like 17.
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  They're in high school and this is what we're doing?
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  They live alone and they, whatever.
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  Anyway, you know, separating the reality from the fiction of it, but- Yeah really digging it.
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  Yeah.
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  Really loving it.
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  You should watch The Originals.
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  I might.
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  That, I think- I might you would really like that'cause it goes kind of more into the history.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  If you so, I think you would really enjoy that one.
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  I think I'll do that after I finish, you know, Season 76 of Vampire Diaries.
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  I think there's like six, right?
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  It's a lot.
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  Or am I not...?
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  But yeah, really digging that.
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  And you can watch them fast- Yeah'cause they're not deep.
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  Yeah.
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  So.
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  Well, good.
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  Yeah.
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  We talked about some witchy stuff, though, or, or we were going to talk about some witchy stuff.
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  So I started with the Salem witch trials.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So that was in 1692.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Accusations of witchcraft spread through Salem and surrounding Massachusetts communities- what followed was a catastrophe of fear, coercion, and legal failure.
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  The main legal strategy became,"I have a bad feeling about her, and she visited my dreams." Isn't that so crazy?
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  How do you defend yourself?
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  "Okay, I was in their dream, but it wasn't really me." I read that too.
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  Did I look good?
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  Right.
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  What kind of dream are we talking about?
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  What was I doing?
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  Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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  They could have said anything.
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  Anything, and it would have- And there's absolutely no way to defend yourself No, and if you did the thing...
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  Okay, so for instance, like, sinking or swimming.
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  If you sunk, you were a witch.
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  Yeah.
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  Or is that what it was?
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  No, no.
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  If you sunk, you weren't a witch, and you were gonna die anyway.
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  Right.
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  But if you floated, you were a witch, and they were gonna kill you.
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  Yeah.
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  But if y- And then somebody had to come get you if you, were sinking, and people didn't wanna do that.
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  So anything, any aspect, they could flip it and make it any way thing they wanted it to be.
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  Yeah.
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  Crazy.
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  And what was the point?
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  Was that a religious thing?
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  Was it, the Christians of the time, I'm guessing?
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  I know.
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  I didn't get that far into it.
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  I didn't either.
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  God, could you imagine if somebody said, like, said you're a witch because you're annoying them?
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  I'd be like, I'd be at the, uh...
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  Well, I'd be up in flames, honestly.
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  I would've been gone a long time ago.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  I know.
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  Yeah.
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  So, but it wasn't just women.
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  Men were accused, too.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  There was five men that were- Taken out?
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  Taken out.
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  Were they warlocks?
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  Is that what we call them?
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  I guess.
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  Okay.
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  it was equal opportunity accusations there.
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  So good for them, I guess.
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  I mean, I don't know.
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  I read something that one was, like, an 80-year-old man.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, all of a sudden he made it this far, and you're just like,"Ah, I didn't like the way Bernie was looking today." But, people that just used, herbs and stuff for healing, Mm-hmm were considered witches- Uh-huh when it was just how they healed things- Right in the old-timey days.
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  Right.
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  So I don't know.
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  which was great, it was kinda what it was for.
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  Yeah.
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  So then the system rewarded people for telling the court what they wanted to hear.
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  That is terrifying because, then you're admitting you're a witch, and you're not really a witch.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And they're gonna kill you either way.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And then they want you to give up names of other witches- Mm-hmm to save yourself.
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  The whole thing is bananas.
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  It really is.
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  I still don't understand what they were trying to prove with it.
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  So which of your normal habits would get you accused?
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  Probably my mood swings.
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  They'd be like,"She is so unstable.
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  Something's gotta be going on with her." that jumps up at me.
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  But I can be really loud.
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  Yeah.
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  And, and I think that they would be like you said, annoying.
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  "She's just whatever, so let her go." Yeah.
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  How about...
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  What do you think?
• 8:31
  Probably, like, my shaking.
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  I'm so fidgety., I'm, like, too fidgety.
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  Okay.
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  And, I can't sit still.
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  But that's probably true.
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  People with ADD and ADHD and all the other things, they probably would've- Yeah, being so fidgety and so unfocused, Mm-hmm all over the place.
• 8:45
  Mm-hmm.
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  'Cause I can switch topics like that.
• 8:47
  Yeah.
• 8:48
  That's true.
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  Yeah, that kinda goes in hand with me just, being loud, just all over the place.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So I definitely think that that's probably- That's true what would do me in.
• 8:57
  That's true.
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  Would your sarcasm survive the court appearance?
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  I don't even know.
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  I- Bad listen, Linda.
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  I am no witch.
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  Oh.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, I think it would.
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  I think I'd be okay.
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  You think so?
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  I think that I'd just be like,"Is this for real?" Right.
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  Like, are you really doing this?
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  and me still being like,"What is the point?" Yeah.
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  Like, what are you trying to...
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  Okay, so what if I am?
• 9:21
  I don't sink.
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  I do float.
• 9:23
  I do float.
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  I have built-in flotation devices.
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  I seriously float.
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  So they would be like,"She's one of them.
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  Get rid of her." Maybe we were burned at the stake together a long time ago.
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  Maybe, and our souls were merged.
• 9:35
  Do you, though, do you sink?
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  Do you go down to the bottom of the water?
• 9:38
  You probably go down to the bottom.
• 9:40
  Um, I- can swim.
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  I just don't know if I float I can swim too.
• 9:43
  I do everything I can to keep my head above water.
• 9:46
  I just pictured you doggy paddling with your little head sticking up.
• 9:49
  When I swim, like if I dive down to the bottom, like I immediately start coming right back up.
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  Mm.
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  Like Brian can like swim along the bottom of the...
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  and Jackson too.
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  They can just swim along the bottom and whatever, and I'll go and I'll just start coming back up.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't, I don't- We'll have to test that next summer.
• 10:04
  Yeah.
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  We'll have a witchy test.
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  That'll prove it.
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  Yeah, I just do everything I can to keep- Yeah my head out of the water.
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  Spinning in circles, like those dogs that you see just paddling in circles.
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  If a neighbor accused you of visiting her dreams, would you make things worse by saying,"How did I look?" Or would you- Mm-hmm be like,"No, I didn't"?
• 10:28
  I'd probably be a smart aleck about it.
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  I would too.
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  100%.
• 10:30
  I'd be like,"Mm.
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  Y- did you?" Listen, dirty mind.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  Did- That's on you.
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  That's not on me you're the witch.
• 10:38
  Right.
• 10:39
  Maybe you conjured me up.
• 10:40
  Maybe I was just fine sleeping and you were like,"Hey, let me get a piece of that floaty mama." So.
• 10:49
  Yeah.
• 10:50
  Did you do anything on the Bell Witch?
• 10:52
  No.
• 10:52
  Okay.
• 10:53
  I did.
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  Okay.
• 10:54
  Tell me.
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  So the Bell Witch, I've never even heard of this yeah, so around 1817 the Bell family, near present day Adams, Tennessee, supposedly began experiencing strange noises and increasingly aggressive disturbances.
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  Scratching, knocking sounds resembling animals- I don't even know if they had pest control back then, but I wouldn't go right to- Orkin Man was not there?
• 11:15
  I wouldn't go right to ghost.
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  right So I don't know.
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  Bed covers pulled away, and family members- Mm I know, allegedly struck.
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  Can you imagine finally getting comfortable, like your body temperature comfortable to go to sleep, and then the covers come off of you?
• 11:29
  Well, n- I would be so mad I would be mad, too.
• 11:31
  Well, especially with hot flashes,'cause that's just a whole nightmare in itself.
• 11:34
  But the fact that, you do the whole thing, if I'm under the covers, the monster can't get me kind of thing.
• 11:39
  Well, covers are gone.
• 11:41
  Yeah.
• 11:42
  Yeah.
• 11:42
  An entity that supposedly developed a voice, argued, mocked people, and demonstrated knowledge it shouldn't possess.
• 11:48
  So not only do we now have a ghost, but now we have a judgey bitchy ghost.
• 11:54
  Because why are you commenting on my relationship?
• 11:57
  Right.
• 11:58
  Mind your business.
• 11:59
  Mind your business.
• 12:00
  The spirit, became known as Kate, and Kate had opinions on Betsy Bell's engagement.
• 12:06
  Okay.
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  So she's nosy.
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  It's a nosy spirit.
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  Yeah, it's a nosy spirit.
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  Do you think, this is a sign to run from the relationship if, the ghost is telling you something?
• 12:16
  Or do you think it's just, like, the ghost is trying to- Like, jealous?
• 12:19
  Yeah.
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  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
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  She's just jealous.
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  would you not second-guess everything?
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  100%.
• 12:25
  that's crazy.
• 12:26
  Yeah.
• 12:26
  So John Bell's declining health and death in 1820, in the legend, the entity claims responsibility and identified a mysterious substance as poison- Mm-hmm for his cause of death.
• 12:36
  And a supposed visit by Andrew Jackson, whose entourage allegedly encountered the haunting.
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  So would you argue with the ghost?
• 12:45
  I would.
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  100%.
• 12:46
  I think I would.
• 12:47
  I think I would.
• 12:48
  Mind your business.
• 12:49
  Right.
• 12:50
  If the ghost insulted Brian, would you defend him?
• 12:53
  Depends on if they're right or not.
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  Or would you hear her out?
• 12:56
  I might.
• 12:57
  Honestly, I can see myself siding with the ghost and both of us roasting him, so it just kind of depends on where I am that day.
• 13:06
  Does a talking ghost get less scary once you discover it's just unpleasant?
• 13:11
  Oh, yeah.
• 13:12
  Yeah.
• 13:12
  Yeah.
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  Just snarky, a snarky ghost.
• 13:14
  Yes, yes.
• 13:15
  How many nights are you staying in the house after the blanket incident?
• 13:18
  Oh, zero.
• 13:20
  Zero.
• 13:21
  Running out that night.
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  I'm gone.
• 13:22
  There's a Meredith shaped hole in the door where I just busted through.
• 13:27
  that's all I had for The Bell Witch.
• 13:29
  Okay.
• 13:29
  I hadn't even heard of the Bell Witch before.
• 13:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 13:33
  I did some witchy research.
• 13:34
  Okay.
• 13:35
  But I went a different route.
• 13:36
  Okay.
• 13:37
  I looked at modern witches.
• 13:38
  Okay.
• 13:39
  Did you do any modern witches?
• 13:40
  No, I've just got, The Curse of the Kennedys and- Oh, I do want to talk about that and Annabelle.
• 13:45
  Okay, let's talk about Annabelle last.
• 13:46
  Okay.
• 13:47
  So did you know that people are hiring witches on Etsy?
• 13:52
  Yes, I do.
• 13:54
  You said that really quick.
• 13:55
  Let me see your purchase history.
• 13:57
  Seriously?
• 13:58
  Yeah.
• 13:58
  I knew that, yeah,'cause it's all over TikTok.
• 14:01
  Well, there's WitchTok.
• 14:02
  Yeah.
• 14:02
  That was...
• 14:03
  Yep.
• 14:03
  Yep.
• 14:04
  Well, dang it, I was really hoping to surprise you.
• 14:06
  No, I knew that one'cause, they're all over TikTok, does anybody know of a real Etsy witch to hire?" Yeah.
• 14:12
  Just buying spells.
• 14:13
  Uh-huh.
• 14:14
  I thought it was for, tumblers and T-shirts, but apparently- Oh, that too.
• 14:17
  apparently you can just get a spell- Mm-hmm a hex, or a whatever.
• 14:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:22
  Well, you know wedding stuff gets me.
• 14:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:25
  Brides are hiring witches for good weather.
• 14:28
  No way.
• 14:30
  Does it work?
• 14:30
  Well, yes or no.
• 14:35
  It's a 50/50 chance.
• 14:36
  Pretty much.
• 14:36
  But yeah, so either they did and they're really happy with their service and they write a good review, or no, and they try to get a refund.
• 14:42
  Are they able to get a refund?
• 14:44
  Some of them have gotten refunds.
• 14:45
  I'd be afraid to mess with a witch, though.
• 14:46
  I would not ask a witch for a refund.
• 14:48
  I know.
• 14:48
  And how do you...
• 14:49
  Okay, so I do a contract when I, when I have a customer.
• 14:53
  So do witches do contracts?
• 14:55
  Do you put that stuff in writing?
• 14:57
  I would assume it's a contract through Etsy.
• 14:59
  Yeah.
• 15:00
  Yeah.
• 15:00
  I don't know.
• 15:01
  here's the other thing, too.
• 15:02
  So when I'm working with a bride I'll send her, a spreadsheet, fill in who's your DJ, who's your florist.
• 15:08
  Do I need an extra column?
• 15:09
  Who's your witch?
• 15:10
  Who's your witch?
• 15:11
  And what are we witching for?
• 15:14
  Or do we need good weather?
• 15:15
  Do we need Uncle Bob to not get sloshed?
• 15:17
  Yeah.
• 15:17
  I mean, what are we going for?
• 15:18
  People are also using spells to get jobs.
• 15:22
  Okay.
• 15:22
  Yeah.
• 15:22
  I could see that.
• 15:24
  I could see that.
• 15:25
  it's just funny that that's, a box you can tick now.
• 15:27
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:28
  And people are buying spells for sporting events.
• 15:31
  So they're trying to, trying to curse their team or jinx another team, for betting purposes or just bragging rights.
• 15:38
  So they're- Well, somebody cursed the Eagles this year,'cause holy moly wasn't gonna bring it up, but since we're here, yeah.
• 15:44
  Poor Jalen Hurts.
• 15:45
  I know.
• 15:46
  That's crazy.
• 15:46
  I know.
• 15:47
  I hope he's okay.
• 15:48
  Me too.
• 15:48
  Blood clots are scary.
• 15:49
  Yeah.
• 15:50
  And of course people are still being accused of witchcraft today.
• 15:53
  Yeah.
• 15:54
  But I think it's more of a we're a more accepting society.
• 15:57
  Well, I mean- I would like to think I think it's now, looked at more as, Almost a religion a religion, yeah.
• 16:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:01
  Or, whatever, that kind of- Right spiritual thing.
• 16:04
  Yeah.
• 16:04
  So.
• 16:05
  Yeah.
• 16:06
  There, there are still practicing them, actually in July of last year.
• 16:11
  India's National Human Rights Commission reported that five family members had been murdered though because of the accusations of witchcraft.
• 16:18
  Mm.
• 16:18
  Yep.
• 16:19
  In other regions, accusations involving illness, death, and supposed curses are leading to violence'cause they're trying to link them.
• 16:26
  So there's a whole slew of stuff still going on with witchcraft.
• 16:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:30
  When I was growing up, it was the whole,, pentagrams what was it?
• 16:34
  Satan- Satanic Panic.
• 16:35
  Yeah.
• 16:35
  Okay.
• 16:35
  That was just, a huge thing- Yeah that, that was just everywhere, like the upside down pentagrams and the circles and sacrificing goats everywhere is what you'd get associated.
• 16:46
  Between that and then, like, that- All the goats?
• 16:49
  No, but that's just what people...
• 16:51
  That was just the rumors.
• 16:53
  That was terrifying.
• 16:55
  Never an issue for me dare where they were selling drugs on the corner.
• 17:00
  Nope.
• 17:00
  Never an issue for me.
• 17:01
  Yeah, none of that.
• 17:02
  I put all that energy into that.
• 17:04
  My friend and I wrote a rap one time about them.
• 17:06
  Oh, my God.
• 17:07
  Do you still have it?
• 17:08
  I can remember some of it.
• 17:09
  Just say it.
• 17:10
  Not right now.
• 17:10
  That'll be for our drug episode.
• 17:12
  And then I thought quicksand was gonna be a bigger issue, too.
• 17:16
  Same.
• 17:17
  Anyway.
• 17:17
  We were lied to a lot.
• 17:18
  We were lied to.
• 17:19
  All those things that I prepared, why didn't they warn me for, you know, the depression?
• 17:23
  Taxes.
• 17:24
  Yes.
• 17:26
  Yes.
• 17:27
  But crazy to me that there's still a lot of practicing witches.
• 17:30
  Oh, I'm not surprised at all.
• 17:31
  I just feel like it's Maybe because I'm picturing like this.
• 17:35
  I'm picturing the pointy hat Yeah but there's so many different types, though.
• 17:38
  There's kitchen witches.
• 17:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:40
  Like, and I'm not talking about like- Yeah, like, they, these like like praying over your pot roast and it turns out okay.
• 17:45
  No, but yeah.
• 17:46
  Yeah, like herbs and like you were talking about, like healing and stuff.
• 17:48
  Yeah.
• 17:48
  And then there's mystic with- There's water witches cosmic and stuff.
• 17:51
  Yeah.
• 17:52
  Yeah.
• 17:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:52
  Oh.
• 17:53
  Yeah.
• 17:53
  What kind of witch would you be?
• 17:54
  Water witch.
• 17:55
  Water witch.
• 17:55
  Well, the mermaid thing.
• 17:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:57
  That makes sense.
• 17:58
  Okay, off with you.
• 17:59
  Where you...
• 18:00
  Go ahead.
• 18:00
  Off with her head.
• 18:01
  Off with her head.
• 18:02
  I feel like that's where you were going with that.
• 18:04
  I'm like, keep my head where it's at." I didn't mean to say it like that.
• 18:07
  I don't know where it came from.
• 18:08
  You know, sometimes stuff just falls out.
• 18:10
  Did you wanna talk about the Kennedy curse?
• 18:11
  I do wanna talk about the Kennedy curse.
• 18:12
  You know, fascinated with this one.
• 18:13
  I know.
• 18:14
  So it's believed that the family has a curse on them.
• 18:17
  Yes.
• 18:18
  So many freaking things have happened- Yes to this family.
• 18:21
  Key events- Mm-hmm with people connected to the Kennedys, 1941, Rosemary Kennedy underwent a devastating lobotomy arranged by her father.
• 18:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:28
  1944, Joseph Kennedy Jr.
• 18:30
  died during a wartime flying mission.
• 18:33
  1948, Kathleen Kennedy died in a plane crash.
• 18:36
  1963, President John F.
• 18:38
  Kennedy was assassinated, but we know that that's with the CIA.
• 18:41
  They did that.
• 18:42
  Allegedly.
• 18:42
  It was an internal- Don't make them come after us.
• 18:45
  You suck.
• 18:48
  But we're witches and we'll cast spells to make you not get a seatmate 1968, Robert F.
• 18:52
  Kennedy was assassinated.
• 18:53
  In 1999, John F.
• 18:55
  Kennedy Jr., Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, and Lauren Bessette died in a plane crash.
• 19:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:01
  So there's no single established origin story for a literal curse, but that's a lot of- That's a lot.
• 19:09
  And I try to think, you know, devil's advocate.
• 19:11
  Is it just because there's so many of them and they're so well known?
• 19:14
  But I'm like, okay, my family's not huge, but when I think about,, my cousins or my cousins and their children, like- That's a lot of plane crashes.
• 19:22
  No.
• 19:23
  Or a lobotomy.
• 19:25
  That's terrible.
• 19:26
  And her dad made her do it?
• 19:26
  Mm-mm.
• 19:27
  And I think they did it because she, not sh- not, she wasn't depressed.
• 19:30
  I think they said that she had, probably, ADHD or something like that.
• 19:33
  She was hyper, and they were trying to chill her out.
• 19:35
  I know.
• 19:36
  That would be me.
• 19:37
  We'd be, we'd be- I'd be toast.
• 19:40
  We'd be, what do they call it, like, articles one and two?
• 19:42
  Mm-hmm, yeah.
• 19:43
  Or that?
• 19:44
  Yeah.
• 19:45
  Again, like you said, it could be because it's so visible.
• 19:47
  But that's just, that's a lot.
• 19:51
  And huge major tragedies.
• 19:53
  Those are just the big huge ones that are, are really well known.
• 19:58
  Don't forget, the whole, stuff with, Ted Kennedy and the car crash.
• 20:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:02
  And I, I don't have all those facts off the top of my head, but a- again, more stuff that is not in that list.
• 20:06
  Yeah.
• 20:07
  I mean, kind of feels like a curse.
• 20:10
  It does feel like a curse.
• 20:11
  But there's no actual proof that there's a curse.
• 20:14
  Right.
• 20:14
  But somebody put a curse on them, I wanna know why.
• 20:16
  So it seems like it started in the'40s.
• 20:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:18
  Like, what hap- what lover was scorned by one of the Kennedy men in the'40s that they were like- You and all of your fruits of your loins.
• 20:30
  Oh my gosh.
• 20:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:32
  Well, the only, the last one I have is Annabelle.
• 20:34
  She has been a hot topic lately.
• 20:36
  Yeah.
• 20:37
  So the actual Annabelle doll was a Raggedy Ann doll.
• 20:41
  It's not what they show you on, on the movies.
• 20:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:45
  They just did that to make it more sinister, whatever.
• 20:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:47
  So it started with a student nurse received a doll around 1970.
• 20:51
  She and her roommate noticed it changing its positions.
• 20:55
  No, thank you.
• 20:56
  Scares me more than a witch.
• 20:57
  I mean, so then would you think that somebody's just messing with you?
• 21:00
  Or do you think like...
• 21:01
  I mean, my immediate thought would not be a possessed doll.
• 21:03
  No, mine would be like,"I didn't remember moving that, but I guess I did because it's-" But I don't pay attention enough, I probably wouldn't even notice, for the first 25 times it moved.
• 21:14
  I am not that- I think I would notice just because I'm that anal about things.
• 21:18
  But, I would write it off as just something else.
• 21:21
  I wouldn't notice it unless I was looking for it to do something with it.
• 21:24
  Right I would not notice.
• 21:26
  I would be the worst person for a possessed object to find.
• 21:29
  So are you telling me there might be something in here?
• 21:31
  Maybe.
• 21:31
  And we don't know it?
• 21:31
  Our Stitch up there could be possessed.
• 21:33
  Maybe.
• 21:34
  He is not.
• 21:34
  He a too cute.
• 21:36
  I just wouldn't notice it.
• 21:38
  Yeah.
• 21:38
  Okay., So then notes and other disturbances allegedly appeared.
• 21:43
  So the doll can write.
• 21:44
  And then I'd be like,"Obviously not." Dolls can't write.
• 21:47
  who's messing with me?
• 21:48
  Who's doing this and how did they do it?
• 21:49
  I still wouldn't- Think that it was actual- be into the doll.
• 21:52
  Yeah.
• 21:53
  Mm-mm.
• 21:53
  Yeah.
• 21:54
  Okay.
• 21:54
  Then a medium identified a child spirit, which does not make it any better.
• 21:59
  Mm-mm.
• 22:00
  That's creepier.
• 22:01
  Creepy kids are worse than creepy adults.
• 22:03
  Yeah.
• 22:04
  And then Ed and Lorraine Warren, instead attributed the activity to an inhuman entity using the doll, and they have that level of commitment I do not possess.
• 22:15
  Mm-mm.
• 22:15
  Mm-mm.
• 22:16
  They took custody of it and displayed it in a protective case, which is now owned by Mr.
• 22:21
  Experience himself, Matt Ryan.
• 22:23
  No way.
• 22:24
  He owns it?
• 22:25
  Well, he bought the Warren- Did he?
• 22:27
  Yeah.
• 22:28
  I didn't know that.
• 22:29
  Let's talk about that.
• 22:30
  Have you ever seen those clips from Wild'n Out?
• 22:32
  Uh-huh.
• 22:33
  It was great.
• 22:34
  Yeah.
• 22:35
  Okay, we can move on.
• 22:36
  Yeah, That's crazy.
• 22:38
  Yeah.
• 22:39
  Again, I would be so, non- Yeah, you wouldn't pick up what it was putting down.
• 22:43
  No.
• 22:44
  Mm-mm.
• 22:45
  I am curious, was the handwriting, did it look like a child's?
• 22:49
  I don't know.
• 22:50
  Was it in cursive?
• 22:51
  Well, then our kids couldn't read it.
• 22:53
  No.
• 22:54
  No.
• 22:54
  So probably not.
• 22:55
  They'd probably just think it was scribble scrabble.
• 22:57
  Okay.
• 22:57
  There's just all this chigged scratch over here.
• 22:59
  They don't even know how to write.
• 23:01
  They can do this all day- Uh-huh and this all day.
• 23:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:04
  I have to admit, when I write a lot, though, my hand starts, like...
• 23:07
  It's not the same.
• 23:07
  I never have the same handwriting twice.
• 23:09
  Yeah.
• 23:09
  I really don't.
• 23:10
  Mine is, mine is kind of bipolar too.
• 23:12
  Yeah.
• 23:13
  I grew up, changing my handwriting all the time too.
• 23:15
  I would see somebody's handwriting.
• 23:17
  I had this friend who was left-handed, and she slanted everything the opposite way, and so I tried...
• 23:21
  It was really hard to do as a right-handed person.
• 23:24
  And then somebody else wrote, all in caps, but they were small like lowercase, so I started doing that.
• 23:28
  I am a, I'm just a chameleon.
• 23:30
  Mm.
• 23:31
  So, they can never do a handwriting analysis on either of us.
• 23:33
  That probably just means that we're freaking nuts.
• 23:37
  No new information there.
• 23:40
  Oh my gosh.
• 23:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:41
  All right.
• 23:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:42
  You wanna play a game?
• 23:43
  I'd love to play a game.
• 23:44
  O- Tell me what we're doing.
• 23:45
  Okay.
• 23:45
  We are going to play How Much to Make It Your Problem.
• 23:50
  How Much to Make It Your Problem?
• 23:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:52
  Rules.
• 23:53
  Okay.
• 23:53
  One year inside of your house.
• 23:54
  No selling it.
• 23:55
  No storage unit.
• 23:56
  No quietly dropping it at my house.
• 24:00
  God.
• 24:01
  We're gonna see how much it'll take for you to take on- Okay the object.
• 24:06
  I'm pretty hard up, so It probably won't be that much for some of these.
• 24:09
  Okay.
• 24:09
  I'm gonna describe the current item.
• 24:11
  The artifact.
• 24:11
  Okay.
• 24:11
  And then we'll see- Okay where it goes from there.
• 24:13
  Okay.
• 24:14
  So The Crying Boy, a print of a tearful child that became famous for allegedly surviving house fires.
• 24:19
  Naturally, people decided it caused the fires instead of appreciating its durability.
• 24:24
  It has to hang above your couch for a year.
• 24:26
  Okay.
• 24:27
  I mean, 100 bucks.
• 24:28
  Yeah.
• 24:29
  Okay.
• 24:30
  That- Would you?
• 24:31
  No.
• 24:33
  I don't think I real- 100 bucks is not gonna cover more fire alarms that I need in my house.
• 24:38
  I wouldn't think it was associated.
• 24:40
  I would just think that somebody was really unlucky.
• 24:42
  But, see, the rules don't apply to me, no.
• 24:44
  So yeah, 100 bucks, I'm doing it.
• 24:45
  Yeah.
• 24:46
  Not for 100.
• 24:47
  Okay.
• 24:47
  We can increase values too, so.
• 24:49
  Okay.
• 24:49
  I'll keep that in mind gotta negotiate.
• 24:51
  Okay.
• 24:51
  Okay.
• 24:52
  All right.
• 24:52
  So the next, is the Hope Diamond, a stunning blue diamond surrounded by stories of tragedy and bad luck for its owner.
• 24:59
  Security and insurance has already been handled for the, item.
• 25:01
  Okay.
• 25:02
  You have to wear it at least once a month.
• 25:04
  For however?
• 25:06
  For a year For a year.
• 25:07
  would you make it your problem for$100?
• 25:10
  No.
• 25:10
  $1,000.
• 25:12
  No.
• 25:13
  10- I'm scared of the jewelry 10,000?
• 25:15
  Yeah.
• 25:18
  We found your, We found my sweet spot your selling point.
• 25:21
  What about you?
• 25:21
  100?
• 25:22
  Uh-uh.
• 25:23
  1,000?
• 25:24
  Uh-uh.
• 25:24
  10,000?
• 25:26
  I'm starting to wane a little bit.
• 25:27
  Okay.
• 25:28
  100,000?
• 25:28
  Yes.
• 25:29
  Okay.
• 25:29
  Yes.
• 25:30
  Well, I mean, so, like, what are the bad things that were happening?
• 25:32
  Just cursed.
• 25:33
  Just- People dying, like- Blah, blah, blah.
• 25:35
  Yeah.
• 25:36
  All the, all the, all the things.
• 25:37
  Oh, okay.
• 25:38
  Okay.
• 25:38
  Yeah.
• 25:39
  I'm easy, you're not.
• 25:40
  No.
• 25:40
  Next.
• 25:41
  All right.
• 25:42
  The next Robert the Doll.
• 25:43
  An antique doll in a sailor suit said to bring bad luck to people who disrespect him or photograph him without permission.
• 25:50
  Tiny outfit, extensive rules.
• 25:54
  And he has to sit in a chair in your living room, and you have to agree to ask permission before photographing him.
• 26:00
  I couldn't do this strictly for the fact that I would feel ridiculous.
• 26:03
  What about you?
• 26:05
  Here's my, here's my problem.
• 26:08
  I feel like objects have feelings.
• 26:14
  Are they really talking like Toy Story?
• 26:16
  Anything.
• 26:17
  Okay.
• 26:18
  Anything.
• 26:19
  Like had like four cans of tomato soup.
• 26:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:22
  And I would rotate...
• 26:23
  This was recently.
• 26:25
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:25
  I would rotate them so they weren't always on the bottom, so sometimes they didn't have all the pressure.
• 26:32
  So I have a problem with things having feelings, so that, I don't know if I'd be able to get behind'cause I'd feel it was real.
• 26:39
  Okay.
• 26:39
  Well, I mean- I don't know.
• 26:41
  I'm so weird because, the diamond thing didn't bother me.
• 26:44
  Well, no, it did.
• 26:45
  Yeah.
• 26:45
  But the painting.
• 26:46
  Yeah.
• 26:47
  Yeah, I think things have feelings.
• 26:48
  Like this, I think it's getting strangled by that cord, so I'm gonna move it.
• 26:51
  So you would be"No, I'm out"?
• 26:54
  I think so.
• 26:54
  Okay.
• 26:55
  What about you?
• 26:56
  I mean, I don't think I'd...
• 26:57
  That wouldn't bother me, I don't think.
• 26:58
  10,000?
• 27:00
  Yeah.
• 27:00
  For a year?
• 27:01
  1,000.
• 27:02
  No.
• 27:02
  Okay.
• 27:03
  I mean, dolls are creepy.
• 27:04
  Yeah.
• 27:05
  So, like, the 10,000, like is, yeah, I could...
• 27:09
  I could do over 10 grand for a year.
• 27:12
  I'd just not take a picture of the freaking doll.
• 27:13
  I don't think I could separate the fact that it's not real, but in my head I feel like it's real.
• 27:19
  Yeah.
• 27:20
  I'm so weird.
• 27:22
  Well, Annabelle.
• 27:22
  We already went over Annabelle.
• 27:23
  Yes.
• 27:24
  Locked in a case, visible location, one year$100?
• 27:28
  No 1,000?
• 27:29
  No.
• 27:30
  10,000?
• 27:31
  No.
• 27:31
  100,000?
• 27:31
  Probably.
• 27:32
  And Matt Rife.
• 27:35
  Let's start over then.
• 27:36
  $100 and Matt Ri- no, I'm just kidding.
• 27:38
  I'm just kidding.
• 27:40
  What about you, 100?
• 27:41
  No.
• 27:43
  Let's go ahead, 100,000 Oh, I don't know.
• 27:45
  I, hmm.
• 27:48
  I c- it's, it's so creepy.
• 27:50
  It is so creepy.
• 27:51
  Probably for$100,000 I would Yeah.
• 27:54
  That's a lot of money.
• 27:55
  Yeah.
• 27:56
  But a lot of experiences.
• 28:00
  All right, the unlucky mummy board.
• 28:01
  An ancient Egyptian wood carving associated with stories of misfortune, including a false claim that it sank the Titanic, not an actual mummy, but apparently an accomplished rumor traveler.
• 28:11
  Okay.
• 28:12
  $100.
• 28:13
  It has to be in your dining room.
• 28:14
  Yeah.
• 28:15
  I'd say like 10,000 probably.
• 28:17
  How are you gonna explain this to the family why there's that My family doesn't talk to me anymore, so it's not a big deal.
• 28:23
  It's okay.
• 28:24
  Friendsgiving.
• 28:27
  How about 200 bucks?
• 28:28
  No.
• 28:28
  1,000.
• 28:29
  No.
• 28:30
  Mommy's stuff kind of freaks me out because of all the ancient Mm-hmm spiritual stuff.
• 28:33
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:34
  I get that.
• 28:35
  So I don't even think 10,000.
• 28:36
  I think it'd have to be at least 100.
• 28:38
  At least 100,000.
• 28:38
  Yeah.
• 28:39
  I feel that way about Ouija boards, they really creep me out.
• 28:42
  I've never done that, and never will.
• 28:44
  I did when I was younger.
• 28:45
  Yeah.
• 28:46
  Does that need to be its own episode, or was it not a big deal?
• 28:48
  I think that whoever we were playing with was moving it.
• 28:50
  I don't think it was like legit, you know?
• 28:52
  Yeah.
• 28:53
  All right, so, last one.
• 28:55
  Okay.
• 28:55
  Okay.
• 28:55
  This is just like a made-up whatever- Okay mystery doll.
• 28:58
  A fictional wild card for the game.
• 29:00
  An ordinary looking old doll, like a porcelain doll, with a note saying,"Please don't bring her back." No explanation, which is somehow worse than having the explanation.
• 29:11
  Well, and were, old dolls were creepy looking anyway, and I'm picturing like the old ratted hair because they're 100 years old.
• 29:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:18
  That's gonna take like 100,000 dollars.
• 29:20
  Yeah.
• 29:20
  Yeah, dolls creep me out.
• 29:22
  And then- Yeah there's a note saying,"Please don't bring her back."'Cause we'll bring her back.
• 29:25
  Yeah.
• 29:25
  Yeah, that one's gonna take a lot.
• 29:27
  Yeah.
• 29:28
  So- That was fun though.
• 29:29
  Yeah.
• 29:30
  Apparently I'm not consistent at all, and I've got weird rules for myself, so- Yeah anyway, proposition me with anything, I might do it for 100, might take 1,000.
• 29:40
  you wanna do am I the a-hole?
• 29:41
  You want me to read it?
• 29:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:43
  Am I the a-hole for telling my girlfriend that she's not a witch?
• 29:47
  Well, actually, yeah, usually men are like,"You're a witch." Yeah.
• 29:50
  So we'll see.
• 29:51
  I, 26 male, think my girlfriend, 24 female, got bored during the lockdowns last year and has gained an obsession with witchcraft.
• 29:59
  She keeps saying that she's a witch, and she has filled our house with herbs, candles, crystal, rune settings, and weird trinkets.
• 30:06
  At first I didn't care because I thought it'd be a temporary thing, but I was very wrong.
• 30:11
  She gets up at 3:00 in the morning just to do rituals and spells or whatever it is that witches do.
• 30:15
  My girlfriend burns so much incense that it gives me a headache and makes our house smell strange.
• 30:20
  I hate it.
• 30:21
  She also tries to make me drink random herbal teas that taste like shit.
• 30:26
  I was really trying to be supportive, but it's starting to frustrate me.
• 30:30
  A few hours ago, I came home from work, and as soon as she saw me, she told me that she senses bad energy and started spraying some mist thing on and around me, probably saging him to death.
• 30:44
  So I may have snapped at her and told her that she was acting crazy and she needs to let this witch thing go because she is not a effing witch.
• 30:53
  My girlfriend was offended and told me I wasn't a supportive boyfriend and that I was acting disrespectful towards her beliefs, and now she's refusing to talk to me until I apologize.
• 31:02
  Am I the a-hole?
• 31:04
  Starting to wonder if I should have just kept my mouth shut.
• 31:06
  So talking about lockdown, thinking it was COVID.
• 31:09
  A lot of us did a lot of things just to get through.
• 31:12
  I'm with him.
• 31:13
  I'm not judging him.
• 31:14
  Keep yourself occupied.
• 31:15
  Do what you need to do.
• 31:17
  I don't know I don't know if I would, buck up to a supposed witch like that.
• 31:25
  So, yeah.
• 31:27
  I love that's going back to the Etsy thing.
• 31:28
  I would never request a refund from a witch.
• 31:30
  No.
• 31:30
  They knew what was best.
• 31:32
  But if I was getting sprayed with stuff and- Yeah things were messing with my life- Yeah headaches and stuff like that- Yeah I don't know if I would, scream, but, I would definitely- Try to have a conversation in a milder way or- Mm-hmm not when you're heated- Mm-hmm to try to just address some of the things.
• 31:49
  "That's fine.
• 31:49
  Do what you're gonna do, but you don't have to, put- Yeah sage in a Lysol bottle and just drench me with it." Mm-hmm.
• 31:57
  I wonder if that's how...
• 31:58
  So I still use a lot of essential oils, but I wonder if that's how Brian and Jackson felt when I did the oils.
• 32:03
  What if they would've flipped on me and told me- Me too.
• 32:05
  He hated them.
• 32:07
  They really did help, though.
• 32:08
  I thought so too.
• 32:09
  Especially the peppermint.
• 32:11
  Peppermint was my favorite.
• 32:12
  On the toes?
• 32:13
  On the toes or nauseated.
• 32:15
  Just smell, Yeah.
• 32:16
  I still believe it.
• 32:16
  Maybe we're witchy mermaids.
• 32:20
  I am magical.
• 32:21
  I keep telling that guy I am magical.
• 32:24
  You are.
• 32:24
  I am.
• 32:25
  You are.
• 32:25
  You're a unicorn.
• 32:26
  I know.
• 32:27
  Do you think he's an a-hole?
• 32:28
  No.
• 32:29
  I think that he just- Oh, I think he's a little bit of one.
• 32:31
  Well, I mean, he could have been a little more delicate about it.
• 32:33
  Yeah.
• 32:34
  But, just making me drink stuff.
• 32:36
  Yeah, I wouldn't want to be drinking stuff.
• 32:37
  No.
• 32:37
  No.
• 32:38
  No.
• 32:38
  I would have said something.
• 32:40
  Yeah.
• 32:40
  But...
• 32:42
  Well, especially not, not just a girlfriend, but just a girlfriend.
• 32:46
  You're- Mm.
• 32:47
  And you're not married.
• 32:48
  Right.
• 32:48
  forcing me to drink things?
• 32:49
  No.
• 32:50
  And what's- Yes the spell?
• 32:51
  Right.
• 32:53
  Right.
• 32:54
  Mm-mm.
• 32:54
  I wonder if they're still together.
• 32:56
  Mm.
• 32:56
  I bet no.
• 32:57
  Yeah.
• 32:58
  well, we did not do a book.
• 32:59
  We did a movie.
• 33:00
  We did do a movie.
• 33:01
  Which was Witches from 1990.
• 33:04
  Which when I watched this when I was little, it petrified me.
• 33:07
  I was gonna ask you.
• 33:08
  I was so scared of this movie when I was little.
• 33:10
  Yeah.
• 33:11
  I never watched it when I was little.
• 33:12
  Okay.
• 33:13
  And as an adult, I still didn't like it.
• 33:15
  Cause it was creepy.
• 33:16
  It was scary.
• 33:17
  I hate, rats and mice and- Mm-hmm all the things.
• 33:19
  And so if you guys have not watched it, it is a- Spoiler from a 36-year-old movie?
• 33:25
  Yeah, 36 Yeah.
• 33:27
  Um- Spoiler alert.
• 33:28
  If y'all watched it, it is, I don't feel like kid friendly, but it's meant for kids apparently.
• 33:34
  Yeah.
• 33:34
  it starts out in, Norway I think.
• 33:38
  I think so, yeah.
• 33:38
  This kid goes to visit his grandmother with his parents.
• 33:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:41
  And, she's telling him all about witches and- Mm-hmm how to spot a witch so that it...
• 33:45
  Because she was attacked by a witch when she was younger and she lost a finger.
• 33:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:49
  So she's going over all the things- about witches.
• 33:53
  So look for the purple eyes- And- different attributes they don't have toes, so they have to have square, shoes.
• 33:58
  Shoes, yep.
• 33:58
  they have to wear wigs, they don't have hair.
• 34:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:01
  So she's going over all the things to spot, and then the next scene is, like, his parents die.
• 34:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:07
  So he's now in the care of his grandmother.
• 34:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:09
  So his grandmother takes him to England and to go to school, and he's really American but I guess his parents had decided...
• 34:16
  that part didn't make any sense to me.
• 34:17
  A couple holes in the plot.
• 34:18
  Yeah.
• 34:19
  So parents had, like, before they died, had enrolled him in a school in England, so grandma takes him to England.
• 34:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:25
  And she gets diagnosed with diabetes.
• 34:29
  Yeah.
• 34:30
  But in the meantime, a witch did find him in a tree house.
• 34:32
  Yes.
• 34:33
  And was trying to lure him down with a snake.
• 34:34
  With a snake, like,"Here, all little boys like snakes." Uh, no.
• 34:37
  Not all little boys like snakes.
• 34:38
  So I thought that was just a weird...
• 34:41
  And I'm sure in the'90s that was probably a very common misconception, but now I'm like,"No, that's not really true." Mm-mm.
• 34:47
  Not really true at all.
• 34:48
  So when the snake didn't work, she tried to lure him down with chocolate.
• 34:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:51
  And he's calling for Grandma.
• 34:52
  Grandma can't hear him.
• 34:54
  And then finally Grandma comes outside to tell him it's time to come in for dinner or whatever.
• 34:57
  Right, right.
• 34:58
  So then Grandma, you see her, like, pass out, and she gets diagnosed with diabetes.
• 35:04
  Which I thought that was also another telling of the time.
• 35:07
  It wasn't super long ago, but now it wouldn't be such a big deal.
• 35:11
  Mm.
• 35:11
  I don't think.
• 35:12
  I don't know if that says anything about America's health or just whatever, but I was like,"Oh my God, what's wrong with Grandma?" Mm-hmm.
• 35:18
  And she was like,"You can't have any more sugar." Yeah.
• 35:21
  Which does suck A hundred percent But- It was just- Yeah.
• 35:24
  So they go on a vacation- Mm-hmm to the seaside.
• 35:27
  Yes.
• 35:27
  And- Some R&R for the diabetic patient.
• 35:31
  And they end up at the hotel full of witches.
• 35:34
  Yep, they're having, like, some kind of- Witch convention witch convention.
• 35:38
  It's an annual witch convention with, like, their high priestess, whatever.
• 35:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:43
  You'd be a high priestess I don't wanna look like that lady.
• 35:46
  No, definitely not.
• 35:47
  No, no, but you would be the high priestess.
• 35:49
  Okay, so you know how, we keep hearing about all these, celebrity whatever, all the- Mm-hmm.
• 35:53
  Mm-hmm the elites are wearing masks?
• 35:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:55
  And so then I'm like,"Oh, my gosh," Mm-hmm because the high priestess took off her mask, her f- That fre- that part freaked me out her human mask, and it was a big rat face.
• 36:03
  I mean, that's what it looked like.
• 36:04
  It was like the typical what you think of when you think of a, an witch from, a book when you were little and,, just a big long nose and just terrible warts and skin and droop.
• 36:15
  It just, yeah, it was- It was disgusting it was.
• 36:17
  No.
• 36:17
  Yeah.
• 36:18
  Ugh.
• 36:18
  Yeah.
• 36:18
  So this little kid ends up in the convention hall when this convention goes down- Mm-hmm and they're turning kids into mice- Yeah with this, this potion.
• 36:27
  And they wanna open up all these stores all over, to basically take out all the kids.
• 36:31
  Yeah.
• 36:31
  Which is dumb because then how are you gonna have more witches?
• 36:34
  Maybe witches don't procreate the same way.
• 36:37
  Okay.
• 36:38
  I don't know.
• 36:38
  That's saying- they have this big plan to make all the kids mice.
• 36:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:44
  This little boy and another little boy get turned into a mouse Yeah.
• 36:47
  Ew.
• 36:50
  That part really freaked you out when you were little?, The whole thing just was, like, bizarre to me.
• 36:54
  I could not comprehend the whole concept and, and mice are gross- and I didn't wanna be turned into a mouse.
• 37:00
  And- No then all these, freaky looking witches and- No, they were- It wasn't Glinda from Wizard of Oz No it was Glinda.
• 37:09
  No, they were gross.
• 37:10
  Yeah.
• 37:10
  They were grody gross witches.
• 37:11
  Yeah.
• 37:12
  Th- all of them were bad witches.
• 37:14
  They were not kitchen witches.
• 37:15
  No.
• 37:15
  So then as a mouse, this little boy, finds his grandma.
• 37:18
  Grandma cannot, understand him and knows it's him.
• 37:20
  Yep.
• 37:21
  And he devises a plan to make all of the witches into mice- Mm-hmm by pouring the potion into the soup- Mm-hmm which he does successfully after being, all the things.
• 37:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:31
  Jumping through all the hoops trying to get the potion- Make it happen whatever, yeah.
• 37:35
  So then all the witches turn into mice.
• 37:36
  Yes.
• 37:37
  And the little boy turns back into a little boy.
• 37:40
  He did.
• 37:40
  In the book, apparently, he stayed a mouse.
• 37:42
  Mm.
• 37:44
  Just random fact for you.
• 37:45
  I didn't read the book.
• 37:46
  Same.
• 37:47
  It was just in my Google Notes.
• 37:50
  So, that was basically it.
• 37:51
  I'm so glad you took the reins on that because I hated this.
• 37:54
  Did you?
• 37:55
  I hated this.
• 37:58
  I really wanted to like it because of the nostalgia of the ti- just, I mean, even just the concept of an old movie, you know?
• 38:05
  God, that's so crazy that a'90s movie is an old movie, but whatever.
• 38:10
  I didn't watch it then, watched it now, glad I didn't waste the time as a child.
• 38:13
  Did not even finish it now.
• 38:15
  But what I thought was really crazy was that it was only, an hour and 25 minutes long.
• 38:20
  Remember when that was the standard for movies?
• 38:22
  And now it's, two, two and a half hours every movie.
• 38:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:25
  But I hated it.
• 38:26
  I hated every minute of it.
• 38:27
  I thought it was gross with them peeling their faces off.
• 38:30
  This, yeah, definitely not a kids- It's for kids?
• 38:32
  No.
• 38:33
  No.
• 38:33
  This felt like more towards horror-y, teenage- Yeah kinda, except for the juvenile kid parts, but, the witch parts were not, no, that was terrifying.
• 38:44
  Yes.
• 38:45
  it was terrible.
• 38:45
  If any of our listeners watched it, I wanna know what you thought about it.
• 38:48
  Like, when you were little.
• 38:49
  Yeah.
• 38:49
  Like, what'd you think about it?
• 38:50
  Yeah.
• 38:51
  Terrified me.
• 38:52
  Did not like it.
• 38:54
  Did not like it now.
• 38:55
  Wasn't terrified, was just, like, this is not my favorite.
• 38:58
  All right, so next week, we are doing urban legends, and we are going to review the documentary Killer Legends on Prime.
• 39:09
  I can't wait.
• 39:09
  I like urban legend stuff.
• 39:10
  It's all, it's all crazy to talk about.
• 39:13
  Yeah.
• 39:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:13
  there's so many different aspects of it.
• 39:15
  Yeah.
• 39:15
  So that'll be fun to talk about some.
• 39:17
  Yeah.
• 39:17
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• 39:18
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