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Donnan on the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry and college football | Terry Bowden Show · The Auburn Undercover Podcast

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For more than a hundred years, the Haley
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generations of success. [music]
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Welcome again everybody to the [music]
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Terry Bon Show on the All Cover podcast.
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I'm your co-host, Ronnie Sanders, and
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[music] we're joined today by former
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Auburn head coach Terry Balden and
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former Georgia head coach Jim Don.
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>> Coach, good to be with you.
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>> Hey, always good to be with two of my
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old friends here. Uh, we're all in the
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fourth quarter except you. [laughter]
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>> Yeah, I was going to say that throws
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Ronnie a little further along than he
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wants to be, I think. But you and I in
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the same boat, I think. But Jim, so good
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to see you. I uh I can't hardly see you
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when I don't think about uh of course
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our our first kind of acquaintances back
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when you were the head coach at Georgia
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and me at Auburn. But we had two
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whatever you want to call them tough
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games, heck of a good football game.
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Looking back uh fun games, but tough
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ones 1996 and 97 we had two pretty good
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football games against each other.
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>> Well, I can tell you one thing. We were
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very fortunate to win that one in 96 and
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then of course you completely just
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destroyed our chances to win the SEC in
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97. We were patting oursel on the back
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for beating Florida and everything and
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had two weeks and you came in there with
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Dame and Craig and we couldn't get off
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the field on defense. a brilliant game
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plan you had and but uh hey we had some
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good matches over the years and always
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enjoyed uh playing against you and a lot
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of respect for you and your dad and
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Tommy and whole Bowen family. I'm a big
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Bowen fan fan all the way.
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>> A lot of people don't remember the 90 I
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know the 96 team for those of our
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listeners who don't remember was the the
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first year they had overtime in college
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football and we went four overtimes in
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that game. y'all scored on the very last
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play of the game. Then we lost in four
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overtimes. Uh uh those are always tough
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losses, but I can still remember the
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athletes y'all have. And two things I
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remember. Robert Alexander was what a
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Robert and Robert Edwards, the running
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back. I thought he was a defensive back
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earlier, but you moved him to running
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back. And what a great running back he
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was.
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>> Yeah. You know, I didn't really recruit
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Robert Orheim, but uh
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>> fortunately for me when I got here, we
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had them and we got into that overtime
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and that that situation. I'll never
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forget, you know, they play that game uh
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back and forth on the SEC network once
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in a while just to and right before it
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shows my son who was in graduate school
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there on the sideline coming up to me
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and talking to me. He was he was just a
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fan then. And uh he told me he said,
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"Dad, I usually don't tell you what to
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do, but you're crazy if you don't give
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it to Robert Edwards every play in
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overtime." So [laughter]
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>> he did.
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>> We did that and we were able I think we
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you were a little worn down defensively.
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>> We could You are exactly right. I
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remember, you know, we had Tequilo
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Spikes at linebacker and he was so
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exhausted he couldn't even, you know, he
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was making almost all of our plays, but
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by the end of the game, he was he was
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worn out, too. And we just got we got
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worn down uh that football game, but it
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was it was a great one. And then uh the
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next year, you know, the next year, I
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don't know if you remember, but we had a
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week, we had lost a huge game to to to
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Mississippi State and got upset and I
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had a week off and y'all were
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outstanding. And so, I don't know if you
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remember, but I changed kind of changed
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our offense. I put a a wing back. I put
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a second tight end at wing and kind of
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got some power going and moved Fred
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Beasley to tail back. And I do remember
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you had Kirby Smart playing safety
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because I think Kirby made a few tackles
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that game.
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>> Yeah, we couldn't uh we couldn't stop
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you that night. I mean, we we it was a
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high-scoring game. It was a good game
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plan. And you look back to some of the
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people in that game. Kirby Smart, Mike
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Boowbo, Will Muschamp was working with
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you also.
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>> Uhuh. Jimbo, uh you know, you you had to
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teach Jimbo how to coach. That's what
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happened. [laughter]
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>> Yeah. Don't don't don't ask Jimmo that
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question. He'll reverse that to me. But
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he was awful. He was the
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>> And Tommy and Tommy B too. So
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>> yeah, we had and we had Tommy. We had we
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had a good Rick Trickett. You remember
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old Rick Trickett? We had Rick Trickett
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with us. And
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>> yeah, you know, Ronnie was just telling
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me that Rick might be going back to
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coaching up there with West Virginia.
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What is he 77 years old or something? 77
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he went
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>> yeah he's
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>> you know he uh when I when I was a
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player at West Virginia you know a lot
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of people don't re remember you may did
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you know Kurt Signetti's father Frank at
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all Franketti
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>> I knew Frank because Greg Williams you
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know who
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>> coached from played with me I knew Frank
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through him and uh and I knew all those
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West Virginia people once we got up
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there to Marshall I I met a lot more of
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them
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>> yeah Rick Trickett was actually a
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defensive line coach when I played in
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Tommy played for uh Frank was the head
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coach. He was my dad's offensive
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coordinator. Kurt Kurt Signday was about
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five he was about five years behind us.
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He was but uh we uh Rick Rick Trickett
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was a defensive line coach when I I
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became a GA and Tommy Nick Sabin was the
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secondary coach. Uh I think Greg
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Williams had left after my dad left
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maybe or a year after uh after Frank's
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first or second year. Uh but Greg
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Williams what a great coach he was too.
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And then uh but Rick Trick was on that
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staff and it was funny. But but you also
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went to Marshall. I think a lot of
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people uh you won a national
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championship uh and of course you're in
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the Hall of Fame. The College Football
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Hall of Fame won the National
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Championship at Marshall. But you know I
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was thinking how many years after the
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after the plane crash was was where did
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you go in there? About 10 or 10 or 11
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years after that. It was it happened in
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uh 71 and so I went I got the job in 90
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but you know
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>> Oh 90 it was about about 19 years.
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>> But that town just uh really was so
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happy to finally start winning that we
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had a lot of support and built the new
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stadium and were able to get some good
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players in there. We didn't uh we left
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them some good guys too. They didn't
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lose the game for two years after we
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left.
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Randy Moss and Chad Pennington and
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>> Puit didn't
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>> Leftwitch the quarterback Leftwwich. Was
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it Leftwitch?
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>> Yeah, Leftwitch came after me, but he
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was good.
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>> We had a good run up there. But also
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remember uh Rich Rod was coaching up
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there when I was at Marshall. He used to
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come down to our clinics and uh he he
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had a lot of good information even then
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as a young coach and I've kept up with
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him over the years and I think he'll get
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it going again up there at West
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Virginia. And of course, of course,
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Nick, uh, when I was coaching at NC
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State, Nick was playing defensive back
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for Kent State. In the first game I ever
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coached as a offensive coach, he was
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playing defensive back for Kent State
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there at NC State. Well, you know, Nick
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Nick played at Manonga High School in
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West Virginia and my dad recruited my
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dad was the offensive coordinator at
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West Virginia in the late 60s and he
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recruited Nick, but he really Nick was a
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little bit short as you know and so he
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really was recruiting a couple of
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running backs on that team and signed
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them and uh but the but Don James who
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was the head coach at Kent, you remember
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Don James, he was an assistant coach at
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Florida State with my dad and of course
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you coached at Florida State maybe uh a
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little bit after that. My dad was there
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and Don James was there in the early
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60s. Uh and uh and then Nick played for
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Don Then Don James left to go to Kent
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State. My dad left to go to uh West
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Virginia. But I want to I was I thought
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of this when I thought of West. Do you
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remember uh Red Dawson? Remember Red
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Dawson that was at the only guy that
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survived the plane crash.
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>> Oh man.
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>> Yeah. His brother uh Rhett played for me
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at Florida State. And so
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>> Oh, that's right. So when I got to uh
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Marshall, uh you know, Red was like you
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mentioned was the only guy that didn't
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wasn't on the plane. He recruiting trip
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and he he it was such a hard thing for
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him to go back and watch games and all,
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but I reached out to him and said,
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"Look, I know how hard it is and
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everything, but you know, I'd like for
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you to come to practice and get
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involved. I know your brother." And we
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started developing a relationship. and
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he gradually got back where he could go
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to the games. But you you know it's got
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to be traumatic thinking about all those
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guys, people dying and everything, but
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but he he was a big part in helping us
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up there. He was in construction. He
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actually helped us build a practice
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field up there. He was great.
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>> Yeah, I remember read up there. Well, in
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fact, I interviewed for that job. I was
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too young. The dear George Chomp got the
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job. I want to say that was 85 maybe.
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But I interviewed for it. It was too
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young. Didn't get it. And then George
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Shamp did a great job too when he was
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there I think 85 or 86. But a lot of
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people don't realize you know the movie
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we are Marshall and it's and I had
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forgotten you coach Rhett because my dad
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was the receiver coach at Florida State
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634 and five and he coached Red Dawson
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and Fred Blitnikov uh at that those were
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his two wide receivers or tight end wide
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receivers back in those days and uh uh
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and that was kind of my dad's connection
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to Marshall. Red was on the coaching
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staff when my dad went to became the
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head coach at at West Virginia. Uh when
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he was
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>> Did your dad was he coaching at Florida
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State in ' 67?
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>> No. No. He he was there 634 and five and
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then he went to he played for I don't
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know if you remember Jim Carlin. He went
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he went to play for to be the offensive
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coordinator for Jim Carlin at West
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Virginia in ' 66 and became the head
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coach in 70. Yeah, we played Florida
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State down there in ' 67 when I But
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anyhow, a lot of reminiscing here, but I
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know Ronniey's chomping at the bit to
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bust me about something here. So, what
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you got going on there, Ronnie?
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>> Let's get your take on the playoff if uh
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if that's okay. [laughter]
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>> I'm just telling you right now, I can't
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can't believe how good these games are
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going to be. And I know Terry's fired up
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about it, but you got four really good
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interesting matchups. And uh certainly
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uh how these teams have evolved over the
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year has been pretty impressive. And
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with uh both uh myself and Terry's
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background and one doubleA, you know,
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where you had to play so many games to
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get into play and then you're in the
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playoffs and play four other games. you
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know, the health and conditioning and
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the strength of your team at this part
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of the year is so vital to be fresh and
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be able to have some injured players
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maybe get back and not have injured
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guys. But and then you're going to have
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some quick turnarounds, you know, like
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as soon as you play this week, then
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you're playing next week and then it's
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pretty quick. Three big physical games
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to win it all. But, uh, we got some good
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matchups. So, anything you want to ask
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about it, I'll try to help you with
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>> Yeah, I think Go ahead. Good, Ronnie.
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>> Oregon and uh and Texas Tech. I mean,
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Texas Tech's front seven is about as
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impressive as anybody in the country.
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>> Yeah. I mean, they made a move there
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financially to get a good front there
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and they've done a good job and you
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know, I've been by myself now and my
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wife passed away four years ago, so I I
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get a chance to watch a little more ball
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than I normally would outside of
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Georgia. But, you know, I've looked at
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Tech and I think they really have an
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excellent defense and their offense
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doesn't show me quite as much as maybe
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some of these other teams. And I think
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that's going to be their their problem
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against a team with the speed that
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Oregon has is I don't know if they can
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match the point productivity that maybe
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Oregon or they've played the schedule
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that Oregon has. even though I don't
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think the Big 10's that great, but uh
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you know, with the exception of BYU and
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Utah, I don't know who really uh Texas
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Tech has played, but I got to go with uh
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I know you got some ties out there, but
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I'm really high on Dan Lanning. You
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know, he was here did a terrific job for
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Kirby and is an outstanding young coach.
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Terry would be really impressed with
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him. I mean, he's a lot like you and
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your dad and all very involved with the
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players and just a very smart guy that
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uh that gets it. I think he's a rising
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star uh that's going to be, you know,
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there for a long time.
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>> And this game again was a uh it was a I
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think it was a one and a half point
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spot. I think it's now at a two and a
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half point spot in favor of um I think
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it's in favor of Texas Tech right now as
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far as that's a tossup kind of game. I I
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really think these are really two teams
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that I say if you had to pick two teams
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out of that bunch that people probably
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don't think are going to win the
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championship, but they have enough
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talent, if they put it all together and
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play just right, I think these two
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teams, uh, especially since we in the
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Southeast, we we probably don't respect
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the West Coast well enough. We don't
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watch the Big 12 that much, but I do
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think these two teams uh especially the
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talent that they were able to get with
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the NIL at tennis at Texas Tech. And
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then the amazing, you know, Lanning, he
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he's kind of like Georgia, they play
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great defense and they run the football.
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You know, they want to run it and they
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people think of them as being a wideopen
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Oregon type of of uh flamboyant, but
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they can run that football and uh it
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should be a heck of a football game uh
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in those two. But I want to I'm going to
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go with take, you know, it's funny
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because I work Jim I do a ton of podcast
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every day and I work for a company out
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of New York and nobody wants to know
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who's going to win. They want to know
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who's going to beat the spread, you
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know, [laughter] that's a and nobody I
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mean I never get you and I are coaches.
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We couldn't gamble when we coach, you
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know, but everybody now's got a phone in
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their hand and they and they're putting
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$10 on this game or it's legal.
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>> Too easy. Too easy to bet. But I
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remember when I was coaching at OU and
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Yeah. Coach Switzer at 9:00 on Sunday
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night the uh the line would come out of
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Vegas and at 9:01 he would call me and
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he would say these guys must be better
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than I think they are. Of course
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[laughter] he didn't
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or or hey we we should be all right. He
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based it on that but of course he would
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watch the tape and all but it was always
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kind of funny. I knew I was gonna get
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that call. Hey these guys must be pretty
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good. But but I tell you, as far as
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those bets and everything, I told my
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guys out at the club,
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I thought the best bet in the history of
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the world would be uh BYU against
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Georgia Tech. I thought they, you know,
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that was like three and a half. And I
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said, "Hey, that they're going to kill
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Tech." And of course, they fumbled
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inside the 10 and and they didn't make
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it one time, but but they made a miracle
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two-point play and then scored and won
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by four. And I said, "Well, we had it
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all the way." But that shows [laughter]
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>> you know I'm the same as you. You and I
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and the funny thing was I said you know
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what I believe BYU is going to pull this
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game out and win the football game. I
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said there's one way Georgia Tech's
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going to win is that and that's if on
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the last drive Hannes King has the ball
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because nobody finishes better than
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Hannes King. And you know who in the
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heck threw an interception on the last
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drive? He did take him down but he did
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not
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>> he had that one guy in the end zone just
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threw it a little high but
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>> that's right. He had a remarkable career
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and just uh u one of the guys that
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coached him who left there, Buster
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Faulner, had I recruited him in high
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school and he's done a good job now.
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He's going to Florida. But uh but you
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know, Tech of course we feel about Tech
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like some of the Auburn field fans feel
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about Bama. But you know they're one and
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four in their last five games. They're
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trending the other way which is always
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>> makes me feel good to see Tech do that.
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But uh
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>> who's your next game, Ronnie? Who's your
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next one, buddy? So we got So we kind of
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we're kind of going both ways on Oregon.
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Uh I'm I'm gonna take Oregon with I
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think whether it's it was one and a
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half. It may be two and a half right
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now. But I'm going
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>> You're going with Oregon. And you're
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going with Oregon. I'm gonna go with
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Texas Tech, but it's it's kind of a
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tossup.
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>> All right. We'll see how we do on these.
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>> I'm gonna take the Ducks.
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>> Uh you take the Ducks. I'll take Texas
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Tech.
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>> What about Miami at Ohio State?
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>> [clears throat]
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>> Well, you know, when you look at uh
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Miami, I mean, their squad has certainly
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got a lot of athletes and they they
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really uh perplexing team. They look
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like they really can't be beaten and
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sometimes they beat themselves and
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sometime they make some really
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unbelievable coaching decisions. I know
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people would say the same thing about
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me, but you know, it looked like they
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put some of their players in the uh
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witness protection program during the
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game.
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>> [laughter]
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>> they just don't use them. And uh and and
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Beck is has been a good quarterback for
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Georgia and good but he he plays a lot
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better when they're in the lead. Uh I
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just think Ohio State another team that
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hadn't been tested much and when they
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were with all those fronts that Indiana
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made against them, it really kind of
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confused their running game. But Miami
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can play with them. But I just think
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that there's so many big play potential
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with Ohio State. I got to go with the
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Buckeyes.
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I I I don't think I'm ready to go
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against the Buckeyes on this one. I
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guess if we're talking money line or
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straight up, I think without a doubt.
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But I look at that nine and a half and
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I'm saying that's way too much for me. I
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I can't I I I think Miami will play well
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enough to stay within nine and a half.
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So again, but if it was straight up, I
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was betting straight up, I definitely
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would take Ohio State, but the spread
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right now nine and a half and I'm
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thinking
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>> I'd take Miami, too. I just thought we
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were picking the game, but
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>> Well, I am. I'm just No, and I am. I
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mean, you the money whether we pick the
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money line or pick the spread, but but
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the if I was on my other show, I would
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say I'm taking nine and a half, but Ohio
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State will win. But but Miami does have
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to me the talent, the the speed that
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Ohio State doesn't face every week. And
17:54
uh and and I it's funny you said they
17:56
make bonehead mistakes because they do.
17:58
In the last two years, they've made some
18:00
decisions that have cost them ball
18:02
games. And I don't I try not to be
18:03
critical of games, but they pay me to
18:06
tell the truth when it comes to the
18:08
games. And I just think they I just
18:09
like, you know, they had two roughing
18:10
the passing the last drive of the game
18:12
in the last two games. They've had two
18:14
roughing the passer calls when it was
18:17
like the worst thing you could do is
18:18
even come close to roughing the passer
18:21
and both of them were were close but
18:23
fairly legitimate. Uh, but I think they
18:26
have the speed, but I think when Ohio
18:27
State and I think Ohio State
18:29
quarterback, as good as he's done, I
18:31
think he leads the nation in percentage
18:34
completion percentage, but he kind of
18:36
got uh he was struggled a little bit
18:37
against Ohio State when I mean against
18:39
Indiana because they played so well. He
18:42
struggled a little bit there. So anyway,
18:43
I think Ohio State I'm with you. I think
18:44
Ohio State wins a game, but if I was a
18:46
betting man, I would take the nine and a
18:48
half as you said you would.
18:50
>> They're going to have to protect the
18:51
guy. I mean, yeah, those guys come off
18:53
the edge and all, but I don't see Ohio
18:56
State being a team that can really pound
18:58
you running the ball either. Like, you
19:01
got to run right at Miami. I don't know
19:03
if they can do that, but they got such
19:05
explosive receivers on the edge. And and
19:07
talking about Miami, too, they got that
19:09
turnover at the end of the half against
19:11
Ohio against Texas A&M
19:14
>> and looked like they were trying to run
19:16
the clock out instead of trying
19:17
[laughter]
19:18
some of those plays. They they must have
19:20
drawn them up in fantasy football, but
19:22
it was very poor. Very poor. And and and
19:25
then Texas A&M, I was going to ask you
19:27
your opinion because you always crafted
19:29
some really good game plans. It was
19:32
ridiculous that they didn't move their
19:33
quarterback and sprint him out and they
19:35
just sat him in the pocket the whole
19:37
game at Marcel Reed. If they'd have
19:40
moved him around, I think they could
19:41
have won that game.
19:42
>> Well, they definitely could. They gave
19:43
up seven sacks and if they and he's very
19:46
he's a dual threat. He can run very
19:48
smooth and I I want to say he beat Notre
19:50
Dame throwing on the run several times.
19:52
He threw the final touchdown pass
19:54
rolling out to his left and throwing the
19:56
ball on the run. I I I felt the exact
19:58
same way with that. Uh uh but you know
20:02
what? You mentioned the the the last of
20:04
the game. I I don't know if you agree
20:06
with this, but ever since everybody has
20:07
gone to no huddle and fast break and and
20:10
it's not like it's been around for a
20:12
long time. I don't think anybody knows
20:14
how to run a pro a two-minute offense. I
20:17
don't think anybody in the country, it's
20:19
not the same thing. You can't throw
20:21
short of a first. You know what? There's
20:22
a whole one minute offense, whether
20:25
you're going to call it a two-minute
20:26
offense or one minute offense. It's a
20:28
whole different deal cuz now every pass
20:31
has got to go for a first down or an out
20:33
of bounds. Uh or or you don't or you
20:36
don't complete it. You don't throw
20:37
underneath them. And everybody I watch
20:40
just lines up just like they're still
20:42
running. uh their no huddle offense and
20:44
wasting time and and moving formations
20:47
around. I said, "What are y'all doing?
20:49
You're you're wasting your time on the
20:51
wrong side of the 50. Waste your time."
20:53
I mean, let save your time for the other
20:55
side of the 50, but I don't think people
20:57
can I I had the same problem late in my
20:59
career when I started turning offense
21:01
over to other people. I said, "What do
21:04
you got your two-minute offense ready?"
21:05
"Well, we just run our fast break." I
21:07
said, "It ain't the same.
21:09
>> Can't do that." and and you watch
21:11
Georgia Tech at the end of the game,
21:12
they wasted an important amount of time.
21:14
But I think that the main thing with so
21:17
many of these teams nowadays with these
21:19
RPOS's and and all the different
21:22
functions that you have with the fast
21:24
break stuff is there's got to be a time
21:26
in the game where you're just going to
21:27
call a play and not try to outsmart
21:29
everybody. just call the play and run it
21:31
and don't worry about what the defense
21:33
is in and execute because you know you
21:36
you can't always have all the numbers on
21:38
your side or everything lined up
21:40
perfect. But if you got the good
21:41
athletes just go to the guy and and and
21:44
make the first down. But uh we could
21:46
talk all day about philosophy here.
21:48
>> Well, you know, but it's I I enjoy it
21:50
because you coached over several
21:52
different decades and I did too and and
21:55
the a lot of the fast break hurry up.
21:58
One of my dad things my dad loved doing
22:00
is I he liked matchups. He says, "I'm
22:03
going to find a way to get that ball to
22:04
my best guy and I want to call a play
22:07
and the quarterback's got to know when I
22:09
call it that that's the guy I want to
22:11
throw it to." And when you start playing
22:13
fast break, no huddle and all that
22:15
stuff. I swear you don't know where the
22:17
quarterback's going to throw it. You're
22:18
not even sure he's on the same page as
22:20
you are because it changes so much. But
22:22
anyway, it's pro probably a discussion
22:24
for another day.
22:25
>> Yeah. Let's hit let's hit your
22:28
[clears throat] uh your dogs. How are
22:30
they going to do against uh against Old
22:32
Miss?
22:34
>> One thing about our team, Ronnie and
22:36
Terry, is is that our team has made some
22:39
significant improvement over the year.
22:41
You know, we've had such good talent the
22:43
last few years that and you look at the
22:45
NFL draft, which is indicative of that
22:47
that we've and and they coach them up
22:50
and everything, but we don't have near
22:52
an amount of stars that we've had. And
22:54
part part of that is the NIL and the
22:57
guys leaving, not so much for money, but
22:59
just playing time. We got nine guys
23:01
starting around the country on defense
23:04
that could be backups or be playing for
23:06
us that would really help our depth. And
23:09
we made some issues here with our guys
23:12
and we let some guys go that to other
23:15
schools at safety and brought some guys
23:16
in that didn't pan out. So, our
23:19
secondary has not been what's a typical
23:21
Kirby Smart type secondary early in the
23:24
year, but now that he's gotten some
23:26
younger guys and developed them, our
23:28
defense is starting to be the kind of
23:30
defense that you expect that Terry would
23:32
expect or you that Georgia has that we
23:35
didn't show. And then our quarterback
23:37
has really developed, but not only has
23:40
he, but we've had so many different
23:42
combinations of offensive linemen all
23:45
year. uh guys hurt, guys back, back back
23:48
and forth. But now it kind of putting it
23:50
all together plus two weeks of rest and
23:53
I would say based on that Bama game,
23:56
George is peing at the right time of
23:57
year. And as Terry said, we can run the
24:00
ball when everybody else knows you're
24:02
going to try to run it. And that really
24:04
sets up a lot of things for our
24:06
quarterback. And the one thing that our
24:08
quarterback's doing now, which Kirby's
24:10
letting him do when he's not so worried
24:12
about the rest of the year, we running
24:14
more quarterback centric runs. He ran
24:17
the ball 14 times against Alabama the
24:19
other day. So that gives you first
24:21
downs, keeps the clock I mean keeps the
24:24
chains moving and makes the defense be
24:26
lerary of him. So I like Georgia against
24:30
even though it's a miss a good team. Uh,
24:32
you know, we've already beaten them once
24:34
and it was a close game, but I think
24:35
we're really trending the right
24:37
direction.
24:38
>> I'm I'm I'm I'm all with you. And for
24:40
those of you listeners, so many of our
24:41
listeners, they do. There is a 6 and 12
24:44
point spot on this game, but I've got uh
24:46
uh Georgia to cover and Georgia to win.
24:49
And I agree with you, Georgia has just
24:50
gotten better and better. And I I I I
24:53
think as you look at the coaches that
24:55
are in the playoffs, Kirby has the most
24:58
experience in postseason play, in
24:59
playoff play. I think he understands,
25:02
you know, how not to wear your kids out,
25:04
how to have them ready, and they've
25:06
gotten better and better and better. Uh,
25:09
you know, I was an offensive coach,
25:10
Tommy, my dad, we were all offensive
25:12
guys, and, uh, and we depended on having
25:15
a great defensive coordinator. You know,
25:16
I had Wayne Hall, then I had Brother
25:18
Oliver uh at Auburn, and uh but I think
25:22
Kirby Smart has that defensive
25:23
mentality. Great defense, run the
25:26
football, uh and then and a solid
25:28
quarterback that runs your system, you
25:30
know, like Stson. Uh uh what was the
25:32
quarterback's name that won two
25:34
championship? Yeah, he was he was just a
25:36
great leader, a great manager of the
25:38
football team. And I think that's
25:40
>> he could really throw a lot better than
25:41
people thought. The other thing as an
25:43
old coach to that I stressed that I know
25:46
you did as our kicking game is is the
25:49
best in in the 50 plus years that I've
25:52
ever been around. We got the best kicker
25:54
and punter combination that I've ever
25:57
been at. I've seen better punters and
25:59
better kickers, but these two guys are
26:01
deadly. I mean, just really consistent
26:04
and turn the field around. And you know,
26:07
if you can have a good kicking game,
26:08
that can make up for some things when
26:10
when things aren't going great. And uh
26:12
and fortunately for us, we've won some
26:15
tight games. Very fortunate to win the
26:17
Auburn game. Very fortunate to win
26:19
Tennessee game there in overtime and
26:22
some close ball games. But our team
26:24
knows how to play in the clutch. And I I
26:26
feel like we got a good shot at winning
26:28
this one.
26:29
>> Well, they say I've got my dogs running
26:32
around behind me. I've got to shut him
26:34
down. But hey, you know, it's
26:35
interesting you mentioned that because
26:36
people wondered why Oklahoma lost to
26:38
Alabama. Uh Oklahoma has the ACC, I mean
26:42
the SEC punter, uh allconerence punter.
26:46
He drops a snap and then their Lou Gro
26:49
award field goal kicker missed a 36
26:51
yarder and then a a 50der and he had
26:54
made I think eight field goals over 50.
26:56
So again it was a uh u
26:58
>> I mean I want to ask you too a question.
27:00
>> Yeah.
27:00
>> As long as both of you been watching
27:02
football. Of course I'm a big OU fan.
27:04
All my kids are out there. They were
27:06
there when I coached at OU and they
27:08
everybody's at the game but me. Have you
27:10
ever seen a guy drop the ball and not
27:12
hit his foot like that? [laughter]
27:15
>> I was gonna And he's your And he's your
27:17
first team allconerence punter. You
27:19
know, you almost had to shoot yourself
27:21
as a coach because you got the right
27:22
people recruited, you know.
27:24
>> Yeah, that's just that's in that's just
27:26
one of the worst I've ever seen. Before
27:29
we before we go, I want to run a couple.
27:32
Let's let's hit let's hit um Alabama and
27:35
Indiana and then I also would like to
27:36
get your thoughts on M Champamp getting
27:38
back in.
27:39
Yeah, as far as Alabama, I mean, I I
27:42
give them a lot of credit because they
27:43
were lowered in wellmanure there at 17
27:46
nothing down and they did everything
27:47
they needed to do to uh turn that game
27:51
around and they got some help from OU
27:52
for sure, uh, you know, with the big six
27:55
and but they, you know, Simpson
27:58
doesn't have any running game to help
28:00
him and I think they're going to be uh
28:02
in trouble against this Indiana front.
28:05
One of the things that you watch
28:06
studying them is how much they twist and
28:08
move around and and that causes a lot of
28:11
trouble with this Bama. But at the same
28:13
time, if Bama can hit some runs where
28:16
they hit those gaps where they're
28:17
twisting, they might make some easy runs
28:20
that you normally don't get just because
28:23
Indiana taking themselves out of it. So,
28:26
I think it's either going to be Bam's
28:27
going to get nothing in the running game
28:29
or they're going to get more than you
28:30
think. And then, of course, Simpson has
28:33
been clutch. I mean, he he he's done
28:35
everything. And Mendoza, we tried hard
28:37
to get him here. I mean, I was standing
28:39
on the sideline with him a year ago, and
28:42
he heard all that stuff about Stockton
28:44
with the background here, but he he's a
28:47
very and he's in Auburn saw him last
28:49
year over there. Very accurate, strong
28:52
passer, but he really hasn't made a lot
28:54
of stats against the great teams. Most
28:56
of it's been, you know, against the
28:58
others, but he came through in the
28:59
clutch against Ohio State and Penn
29:02
State. But I think Bama's got a better
29:04
shot than most people think. But in the
29:07
end, Indiana's defensive front's pretty
29:09
dang good.
29:10
>> Yeah, that I think that's the difference
29:12
cuz and I'm I'm with you. I think
29:14
Alabama their quarterback really is very
29:16
talented. They put too much pressure. I
29:18
I their running game is not very good.
29:20
Y'all held them to minus three. They got
29:23
about 28 or 30 yards. Uh even when they
29:26
beat Oklahoma, they couldn't run the
29:27
football. Maybe 58 yards. It's not the
29:30
way they won championships. And so you
29:32
you know how when you can't run the
29:34
ball, it's not like you have to, but it
29:35
takes so much pressure off the
29:37
quarterback. And so I think everything
29:39
now it's going to determine is how well
29:42
Tai Simpson can play. We know that. I
29:44
mean, and then uh Indiana is top 10 in
29:47
in their rush defense. So they're pretty
29:49
they're no slouch on defense either uh
29:52
as well as uh in their quarter. Anytime
29:54
you got a running game, that helps your
29:55
quarterback, you know, not have to go
29:57
out there in passing situations. So, I
30:00
have said even during the season, if
30:02
Alabama doesn't get a little more
30:04
running game, when they get to the good
30:05
teams in the playoffs, it's going to put
30:08
too much pressure on the quarterback.
30:10
Uh, and he's going to have to win it
30:11
every time. And and Alabama's got some
30:13
good receivers, but I think that puts a
30:15
little too much pressure on them. And
30:17
I'm like, I got Indiana on that one as
30:19
well.
30:20
>> Well, what happens with with Alabama?
30:22
They got to manufacture these runs with
30:25
with wide receiver jets and throw
30:28
screens and all that. But as far as Will
30:30
Muschamp, uh, of course, uh, he he
30:33
started out here in Georgia and then he
30:35
worked for you, but just a real football
30:37
coach and a good man. I I got to know
30:40
him a lot when he was here the second
30:43
time around helping Kirby out and he was
30:46
good to have a guy that second voice and
30:48
I thought he was just kind of going out
30:50
on the prairie there, you know, the last
30:52
two years going with watch his son play
30:54
up at Vanderbilt and looked like, you
30:56
know, he was just coming around here and
30:58
talking once in a while and helping them
31:00
out. But, um, as you know, Terry, you
31:03
you you coached for so long and then you
31:05
were out doing a great job in
31:06
broadcasting, but that football was in
31:08
your blood and you got that chance to go
31:10
back and did a great job at Akran and
31:12
they didn't give you enough time, I
31:14
thought, at Monroe. But the point is, if
31:16
I could coach the team tomorrow, I would
31:18
do it even if I had to go in a
31:19
wheelchair. I mean, it's just it's in
31:22
your blood and I think that's the way it
31:23
is with Will and certainly Texas has got
31:26
everything you need for sure. And uh for
31:29
them to fire that guy who's done a
31:31
pretty good dang good job I thought for
31:33
Texas they they got to think they
31:35
bringing Will in there. And what he
31:37
brings in to me is he knows the saving
31:40
footprint. He knows it's kind of like
31:43
back in the old days warwise some of
31:46
these tribes will get some of the
31:47
Indians from the other tribe and try to
31:50
get them on your side. He knows what
31:52
Kirby's doing here. He knows the
31:54
blueprint we got and uh you'll do a
31:57
great job for him. I mean, he he's a
31:59
tremendous football coach and he's a
32:01
great motivator and uh really was close
32:04
to winning all his second year at
32:06
Florida as Ronnie knows. I mean, they
32:09
don't get that uh some of those guys
32:11
hurt and all. I mean, I thought they
32:13
were going to win at all. And if Lane
32:14
Keifin would have won that game against
32:16
Notre Dame, they would have been playing
32:18
for the national championship.
32:20
>> Yeah. Now, did you did you have uh when
32:23
when uh Will played for was his
32:26
defensive coordinator Joe uh um who was
32:28
the coordinator for you at defense when
32:30
you play when he played? Um
32:32
>> well, when I got here, uh they had
32:34
already hired Glenn Mason, so they kept
32:36
Joe kind so I I kept Joe and he did a
32:39
good job for us, but Mickey Mickey
32:40
Matthews was
32:42
>> Oh, yeah. Mickey and then Gary Gibbs
32:44
came in after Joe left, but uh Joe went
32:47
down with your dad. But uh but Will
32:50
never actually coached here. Kirby
32:52
coached the first year after he got out
32:55
and he was kind of part-time guy here.
32:57
But uh
32:58
>> but you know, everybody out there, you
33:01
know, Auburn people don't like Kirby and
33:04
all that, but uh I'm just telling you
33:06
>> the guy's a coach's coach. He he I've
33:09
never been around the guy in the history
33:12
of my lifetime that knows every position
33:15
like he does. He could coach every
33:17
position as an individual coach. You
33:19
know, his dad was a high school coach.
33:21
Sure. He knows all the quarterback
33:23
reads. He knows all the the the stuff on
33:26
special teams. He knows all the
33:28
offensive line calls. I mean, he's just
33:30
a very thorough guy. And he's
33:32
relentless. I mean, everybody on the in
33:34
the building's on point all the time.
33:36
And he's always changing with the times.
33:39
And that's what you got to do. I mean,
33:40
yeah, it's a different world out there.
33:43
>> Yeah. Will Mus Champamp when I brought
33:45
him in I I would like to say I I had a
33:47
great influence on him but I did I he
33:49
came in when I brought Brother Oliver in
33:51
from Alabama and I want to say brother
33:53
had about six national championships.
33:55
Two as a player maybe three at Alabama
33:58
as a coach and one with uh Clemson when
34:00
he was there at Clemson. Uh but I think
34:03
that had the big impact on uh on uh Will
34:06
then and of course Alabama with with
34:08
Nick Sabin and that experience he had
34:10
with him. But, uh, I agree with you with
34:12
with if I think that Texas, they know if
34:15
they're down the road, they're going to
34:16
get to where they want to be. They've
34:18
got to know as much as they can about
34:20
Georgia, as much as they can about
34:22
Alabama, and they've got to have a guy
34:25
that's intense and knows how to coach
34:27
defense, and Will fits all. He checks
34:29
all those boxes. That's That's for sure.
34:32
Did we get uh Yeah, we got all the
34:35
playoff games, didn't we?
34:37
>> We did. We did.
34:38
>> All right. Let me let me get one more
34:39
question with you with uh uh before we
34:42
let you go. Uh we've got so much has
34:44
changed in the last three years because
34:46
I think with since you and I started
34:48
coaching and you were even before me,
34:50
there's been a lot of changes in
34:51
football, but I don't think anything in
34:53
the last three years uh where you've got
34:56
NIL and you got portal transfer and you
35:00
wonder where this is going. Bowls don't
35:02
seem to matter as much as they used to
35:04
and a lot of teams in playoffs now. And
35:09
is where is football are you are you
35:11
still feel good about where college
35:13
football is going? Does some of this
35:14
stuff bother you or just it's just
35:16
different?
35:18
>> You know, I just get back to when people
35:20
when I was growing up and they were
35:21
talking about, hey, when when I used to
35:24
go to school, we had to walk five miles
35:26
in the snow and all that. Hey, there's
35:28
nothing you can do about it. I mean, the
35:30
changes are the changes and the ability
35:33
to adapt to it and your administration
35:35
being the support cast that they need to
35:38
be and working with you because there
35:40
there, you know, when you got Congress
35:42
looking at it and NCA's not and all that
35:46
stuff, you just got to do roll with the
35:48
punches and and have the kind of people
35:50
that can adjust. And that's why I think
35:52
down the road you're going to probably
35:53
see 40 big schools, the halves and the
35:56
have nots because I don't know how these
35:58
other schools are going to be able to
36:00
you get a good player in a non big
36:02
school and then they find out about him
36:04
and everybody else comes after him the
36:06
next year. I mean back in the days when
36:08
you were at Sanford, I was at Marshall,
36:10
we had good player, they'd be going
36:11
somewhere else next year because
36:13
everybody's picking on them. And and I
36:16
think one thing I'll project here,
36:18
January is going to be the most wild
36:20
wild west I've ever seen on this portal
36:23
because you're going to see
36:25
25 30 people leaving just so they can
36:28
play every place else and get more
36:31
money. And these rosters are going to
36:33
constantly be evolving every year where
36:36
you think you got these guys coming
36:37
back, but they leave and go other
36:39
places. So every year everybody's going
36:42
to I mean just like the new coaches in
36:44
the SEC they're rock they're going to be
36:47
so different between now and the spring
36:50
but the one thing I like better than
36:51
anything is just a one time transfer at
36:54
least you know you can't do it twice you
36:57
know have two in one year so you know in
37:00
the spring what your team's going to
37:01
look like at least.
37:03
>> And uh and and again I wonder where
37:05
where the bowls are going to fit in. It
37:07
seems I've enjoyed the bowls to be
37:09
honest with you. There's been like there
37:10
was some interesting matchups. I don't
37:12
know if you can predict a winner very
37:14
good with the roster changing so much or
37:16
coaching staff changing so much. But
37:18
when I watched the Georgia Tech and and
37:21
Baylor and I watched Clemson or Penn
37:23
State, which was kind of a sloppy game,
37:25
but I watched some of those games, uh
37:27
even LSU and Houston, they were fun to
37:30
watch. So, I don't know where bowls are
37:32
going with the playoffs, but uh
37:34
hopefully there'll be a place. Bowls
37:36
have been so important to college
37:37
football. I hope there's a place for
37:39
them beside just the playoffs.
37:41
>> Yeah. The one thing I always said about
37:43
bowls and we both went to a lot of them
37:45
and Ronnie has too is there's a lot of
37:47
benefit for these kids to play one more
37:50
time together to know that you know hey
37:53
we played and we worked oursel but also
37:56
the going into these communities and and
37:59
this is not being hokey but being around
38:01
the boys and girls clubs or going these
38:03
hospitals or whatever it might be gives
38:06
the kids a chance to really see what
38:08
life's all about outside their own
38:10
school and all and meet people like you
38:13
know I met some people at bowl games
38:15
before that helped me down my further
38:18
down the career and I'm sure both you
38:19
have but the interaction with other
38:21
people and and your team and all I mean
38:24
people that gripe about bowls they
38:26
really don't understand it it it's
38:28
certainly a reward for your seniors but
38:30
it's also very uh educational for your
38:33
team to get out there and the thing that
38:35
really chaps my ass though is these
38:37
people that opt out you know I mean you
38:40
got you gonna quit on your team and uh I
38:43
I think you're either going to be on the
38:45
team or you're not. So finish it, finish
38:47
it out and play with your team and and
38:49
we learned a valuable lesson. The first
38:52
year when the opt outs, we played Texas
38:54
and we had some guys opt out and we let
38:57
them go to the game and all they took
38:58
away. But the next time we played, Kirby
39:01
said, "You're either in or you're out.
39:03
You know, you're either going to be with
39:04
our team." And the same thing's true
39:06
when we played Florida State when we
39:08
didn't get to play in the championship
39:10
game. We told those guys, look, you're
39:12
either going to play in a game or you're
39:14
not. and our guys, we can sit around and
39:17
mope about it. And and I will give a
39:20
little credit to that coach at
39:21
Vanderbilt. He wasn't griping about the
39:24
fact that they didn't make it. He said,
39:25
"Look, we had a chance to do it and we
39:27
didn't do it." And I admire the fact
39:29
that he said that.
39:31
>> Yeah. And I think it and you never know
39:33
how it's going to affect the team. I
39:34
watched Pit play East Carolina and
39:37
everybody would have thought I mean East
39:38
Carolina lost their coordinators, they
39:40
lost their quarterback, but when I saw
39:42
the first series and Pit got sacked
39:44
twice, then five turnovers and two
39:47
fourth and shorts, they don't get it. I
39:49
said one team wasn't ready to play, I
39:51
know that much and the other one
39:52
>> looked like looked like Pit didn't
39:54
practice for sure. [laughter]
39:57
>> That's one of those things. Well,
39:58
listen, Jim, so good to talk to you and
40:00
so thankful that you could be on the
40:02
show with us and uh we just uh look
40:04
forward to it. Maybe we can do it again.
40:06
>> Yeah, look forward to it in the future
40:08
and just want to say to all the Auburn
40:10
fans and and to how fortunate they are
40:13
to have had you as the coach and also to
40:15
have this podcast for you to talk ball
40:17
and and get around. I do a little bit
40:19
that with George and of course Ronnie
40:21
over the years has just been a really
40:23
true friend and really backed me and was
40:26
very very good when my wife was in very
40:29
sick. So, uh, fortunate to have you as a
40:31
friend, Ronnie.
40:32
>> I I feel the same way, coach. It's been
40:35
I I can't believe we've known each other
40:36
this long, but I guess time flies when
40:38
you're having fun.
40:39
>> Yeah, you got those kids now. You going
40:41
to have to get behind your house and
40:43
[laughter]
40:44
dig up some of those cans you've been
40:46
putting all that money in and start
40:47
paying for them to go to college.
40:49
>> I think my wife's already spent it all.
40:51
[laughter]
40:53
>> All right. Thanks for having me.
40:54
>> Take care. Successful coach. I know our
40:57
our our both of our careers go back.
40:59
He's about 10 years older than I am, I
41:02
think. Uh I'm 69, he's 79 or so. Uh but
41:06
he uh national coach of the year uh
41:09
national champion at at Marshall SEC n
41:12
uh coach of the year 1997
41:15
uh college football hall of fame. I want
41:18
to say he's 10 and something and 40.
41:20
He's got a good his overall record very
41:22
good and uh and he's been a part of a
41:24
lot of power for schools he's coached at
41:28
over the years uh in his in his
41:30
coaching. And of course our our p we had
41:33
a couple of really uh incredible
41:35
football games to watch. We got it was a
41:38
very tough loss for me in 1996 to him at
41:42
Georgia. Uh when Damian and Hines Ward
41:45
at quarterback and uh Robert Edwards at
41:47
running back and a lot of other people.
41:49
We had we had Damen Craig at quarterback
41:51
and Tequila Spikes at linebacker. But
41:54
those were those were we knocked them
41:56
out of the SEC championship and then the
41:58
next year. I know they knocked us out of
42:00
the champ out of a chance and that the
42:02
next year we beat them and knocked them
42:04
out of a chance to play for the
42:06
championship, but uh everybody thinks of
42:08
the Auburn Alabama game and that is the
42:10
toughest that is the one, but a close
42:13
second is uh Auburn Georgia in our game
42:15
with Georgia.
42:16
>> There there's no doubt and talking we
42:18
mentioned [clears throat] one Georgia,
42:20
excuse me, one former Georgia player, we
42:22
we talked about him a little bit ago.
42:23
There's and I sent my champ a text last
42:25
week. I said, you know, you need to be
42:27
coaching. And [laughter]
42:29
there's one guy, if there's one guy I
42:31
know that does not need to be doing TV
42:33
[clears throat] or anything else, it's
42:35
needs to be coaching the rest of his
42:36
life, it's Will Mchamp. [laughter]
42:39
Well, you know, and and and uh uh of
42:41
course I've gotten to know because his
42:43
uh my my my wife's son is uh was kind of
42:47
mentored under Will at LSU and then
42:50
followed him to South Carolina and
42:52
followed him to Georgia and now uh I
42:55
think uh uh Will Myers was just selected
42:58
as one of the is like assistant coach of
43:01
the year or sap of the year. He won one
43:03
of those whatever one of those awards
43:04
they give to the outstanding assistant
43:06
or administrative assistant of the year.
43:08
He's the player personnel director for
43:10
the job he does at Georgia. But uh I
43:13
think Don Jim Don probably said it
43:15
right. You better be ready to work if
43:17
you're going to go work for Kirby Smart.
43:19
Uh you better be willing to go work
43:20
because you're up pretty early and
43:22
you're there pretty late. Uh and you dot
43:24
every eye and you cross every tea. And
43:27
that's kind of what I think successful
43:29
coaches understand is that uh and I've
43:32
been with Davo and I've watched him.
43:34
I've watched Nick Sabin as a graduate
43:36
assistant. Of course, my father for
43:38
years uh and so many coaches and the the
43:41
techniques and the and the and the
43:43
ability and the most important thing I
43:45
think that you see from the coaches that
43:47
are very successful is that they're
43:49
they're there earlier and they're there
43:51
late. They work hard and they understand
43:54
when you we don't all have the right
43:56
answer, but hard work will usually get
43:58
you through until you figure out the
44:00
right answer. You know, we don't have
44:01
the we don't always have the perfect
44:03
offense, the perfect defense, but we're
44:04
going to outwork people. So, it'll get
44:06
us through until we figure that part
44:08
out. You know,
44:09
>> people don't realize how, you know, that
44:10
the hours that coaches put in like,
44:12
well, I want to do that for a living
44:13
because the, you know, you get the fame
44:15
and the and the money and all those
44:17
things and and then you get in there and
44:18
it's like, wait a minute now. I mean, I
44:20
remember working at LSU and we had a
44:21
staff meeting at 7 and nobody left the
44:24
building until you could the building we
44:27
were in then. You could look out the the
44:28
the window and coach saving park right
44:31
there and you could see his tail lights
44:32
come on when he when he backed up.
44:34
>> And so as soon as he would leave, he'd
44:35
walk by the offensive staff room and
44:37
he'd get to the bottom of the stairs and
44:38
as soon as his brake lights would come
44:40
on, Derek Duly came down the hall
44:42
screaming jailbreak. So we all knew it
44:44
was time we could go home. [laughter]
44:46
>> Yeah. You don't want you don't want to
44:48
to to get uh have the head coach there
44:51
longer than you are. That's for sure. If
44:53
if you're an assistant, but uh that you
44:55
know, it's a labor of love. Yes. And uh
44:58
um now I will say this, coaches, most
45:01
coaches, they couldn't make nearly what
45:03
they make in any other profession than
45:06
what they're now being paid. But you do
45:08
put in your hours. How many times have I
45:09
heard people say, "Well, what do you do
45:11
in the off season?" And I didn't want to
45:13
say, "Well, what offseason?" There is no
45:14
offseason. you know there I mean I think
45:17
I think Rick Trickett once said that at
45:19
Nick Sabin with Nick one year or maybe
45:22
Pete Jenkins said it I think we worked
45:24
51 out of 52 weekends uh in a particular
45:28
year and uh
45:30
>> I remember Jimbo calling me it was the
45:31
year after and I had already left it was
45:33
the year after they won the national
45:34
championship at LSU and
45:36
>> he said you know I think he told I think
45:38
he I think you're right I mean he he
45:39
said something about he's outside of
45:41
outside of the uh the three weeks we had
45:44
the summer
45:44
>> he said I I think he said they worked
45:46
every weekend except one. And he said,
45:49
he said, you know, Nick's in here
45:50
cussing us out. He said, you know, we
45:52
did win a national championship last
45:54
year and [laughter]
45:57
set the bar a little high. You set the
45:59
bar a little bit high. [laughter]
46:01
Well, that's the thing about Georgia. I
46:03
mean, Jim was talking. It's so good to
46:04
see Jim involved at Georgia because he
46:06
was a he was very successful. And you
46:09
know they when they let him go, he had
46:10
won nine or eight or or nine games ever.
46:12
He never let won less than eight or
46:14
nine.
46:15
>> Mark
46:16
>> and uh and that's what that's what
46:18
happens when you're there. You know, you
46:19
get you uh um you you you create a level
46:22
of of expectation that's so high that uh
46:26
that's what's amazing that at Auburn
46:28
that they have been a they've suffered
46:30
through five losing seasons. I it's just
46:32
hard for me to picture that. But uh
46:35
especially and I will say this as a
46:37
compliment to all of our Auburn fans is
46:40
what an amazing game atmosphere that is.
46:43
I said wait till it's 10 and 8 and0 or
46:45
10 and0 when you're playing 11 and0 when
46:47
you're playing Alabama. Wait till it's
46:49
because y'all have been there through
46:51
the thick and thin. Uh and
46:54
>> I keep telling my kids, you know,
46:55
Auburn's not going to be terrible
46:57
forever. We moved back to Birmingham
46:58
five years ago.
46:59
>> Yeah. Auburn's had five straight losing
47:01
seasons and my my little one, you know,
47:03
she's she's we've been to what three
47:05
Iron Bowls in in Jordan Air now and
47:07
they've all three one was four
47:08
overtimes.
47:09
>> Yeah.
47:09
>> One was fourth and 31 and the other one
47:11
was last year. So it's uh or it's been a
47:14
uh she said she she thinks I'm never
47:17
gonna I'm never going to see him
47:18
[laughter] see I'm like honey it's it's
47:21
coming. Just give it just give it some
47:22
time.
47:22
>> Yeah. and and everything I see about our
47:25
new coach uh uh Alice Gullish uh and the
47:29
staff that he's brought in and retained,
47:33
>> everything I see just he seems like he's
47:35
making because I'm always watching uh
47:38
how they staff, decisions they make,
47:41
press conferences they have because
47:43
there's one thing about being the head
47:45
coach at Auburn or anywhere like Auburn,
47:48
there's there's there's very little time
47:50
to learn on the job. If you don't make a
47:53
great decision with your staff, and I
47:55
have made a couple of decisions where I
47:57
had to make a change. I I have I very
47:59
seldom ever had to make a change, but I
48:01
have made some. But but if you know what
48:03
you're doing, and when they hire you at
48:05
Auburn, they do hire you expecting you
48:08
to know exactly what you're doing. When
48:10
I see a coach hire eight guys or nine
48:13
guys and he fires three after one year,
48:16
>> I'm thinking, what what were you
48:17
thinking? what were what you those
48:19
aren't somebody else's problem unless
48:21
they talked you into keeping somebody
48:24
you know and and sometimes there's
48:25
probably some dynamic like that that
48:27
there's a there's that kind of
48:29
transition but uh there's no there's you
48:32
need to know what you're doing day one
48:34
and I like the staff that he's put
48:36
together I like the the thinking that
48:37
he's got uh I like the the the comments
48:40
that he's made in his press conference
48:43
uh he's obviously a guy that comes from
48:45
a a a background of work ethic and and
48:49
and building your own career, building
48:51
your own life. It comes out of Russia.
48:53
His family continually trying to build a
48:55
better life. And I think that's
48:57
something he thought of. He wasn't blue
48:59
blood, he wasn't blue blood. He I mean
49:01
to played at he went to Toledo or
49:03
wherever he was with uh when he went
49:06
after college. I forget where he said he
49:08
went to college and played ball. He
49:09
>> went to Ohio State. I'm not sure after
49:11
that, but
49:12
>> No, but he started out in I don't know
49:14
where he went to play. He didn't play
49:15
football at Ohio State. I didn't think
49:17
he played at Ohio State, but he might
49:18
have, but Ohio State,
49:20
>> but he got a grad. But anyway, the fact
49:21
is he he worked his way up through the
49:23
ranks, you know, and uh I think I saw
49:26
the article today, they were talking
49:27
about his uh his uh offensive
49:30
coordinator, maybe I think uh uh and how
49:33
he's at USF one minute, the next minute
49:35
he's at Auburn. But what's the
49:37
quarterback coach's name? The offensive
49:39
coordinator. I forget the name of that.
49:41
And I don't know all their names yet. U
49:43
>> he's a he's a young guy.
49:45
>> Yeah. [clears throat]
49:46
He's
49:47
>> I like the fact that he was a he was a
49:48
quarterback at Shephard. I don't know if
49:50
anybody knows what Shepherd they in fact
49:52
I saw on the Auburn Network the article
49:55
called it Shephardd'stown College. It's
49:57
Shephard College in Shephardd'stown,
49:59
West Virginia. I know that because when
50:01
I started coaching at Salem College,
50:04
that was our big ri that was the best
50:05
team in the conference. And you had to
50:07
beat Shepard if you were going to go
50:09
anywhere. And that your quarterback
50:11
coach went to Sheepard, was all
50:13
conference at Shepard. uh and is on
50:16
there. Huh?
50:17
>> Division. Division three. Joel.
50:19
>> Well, yeah. And back then we were NIA.
50:22
We were scholarship, but we were NIA. I
50:24
thought they were division two now, but
50:25
they could be division three now, like
50:27
you said, because uh I know he coached,
50:29
he said he coached at Emory and Henry. I
50:31
coached against a lot of those schools
50:32
because I started out at Salem College,
50:34
which was in the same conference as
50:37
Shepard. And uh uh you still learn a lot
50:40
of football when you're played at that
50:41
level, too. And so it looks like he's
50:43
got most of his staff lined up. And uh
50:46
>> you also learn a lot at that, you know,
50:48
people don't realize. I mean, you learn
50:50
a lot when you're at those places. I
50:52
remember when I walked in at Southern
50:53
Miss and they said, "You, you know,
50:54
you're going to be the recruiting
50:54
coordinator and you're going to run
50:55
camps." And I said, "Okay, well, you
50:57
know, what have you done in the past?"
50:59
And I started looking around. I'm like,
51:02
like, so basically this is on me, right?
51:04
[laughter]
51:05
And
51:06
>> well, you do. I mean, you do. That's a
51:08
great point. You do. I mean I mean Jim
51:10
Donovan was talking about I think he was
51:11
talking about Will Muschamp when he say
51:13
he knows every position he knows every
51:15
assignment and I can't remember if he
51:16
was talking about Kirby or talking about
51:18
uh Jim but the fact is back then I mean
51:22
when I was a head coach at Salem College
51:24
I had to know I knew every assignment of
51:27
every position on the offense every step
51:30
they took every technique they had of
51:32
every position because I could only
51:34
afford student assistants and maybe a
51:37
graduate assistant uh and no real money
51:39
to give anybody. And so I had to make
51:42
sure I knew every assignment of every
51:44
position. Uh and that's kind of when I
51:47
got to Auburn, I had been running that
51:48
offense for 10 years knowing every
51:51
position. So when I got into an argument
51:53
with Rick Trickett or Jimbo or Tommy, at
51:56
least I said, "No, this is the way we're
51:57
going to run it." Or and and I would
51:59
always come back the next day and say,
52:02
"Okay, you're right. You can run it,
52:03
Tommy. Tommy, I'd get in an argument
52:05
with when we'd have a staff meeting in
52:06
meeting on offense and and I'd get in an
52:08
argument with Tommy and Tom, well,
52:10
you're going to do what you're going to
52:10
do. I don't know why we're arguing.
52:12
You're going to run what you want to
52:13
run, so forget it. I said, "Yeah, that's
52:15
right." And the next day, I'd come and I
52:17
said, "Let's change it to what Tommy
52:19
wanted to do or Jipo wanted to do."
52:22
>> I was talking to Tommy after after
52:24
Auburn recognized the 93 team as
52:26
national champion. And he said, "Well,
52:29
I'm officially the worst the worst coach
52:30
in my family." And I said, "Well, you
52:32
got you got Jack and Jeff." He said,
52:33
"Well, thanks for that vote of
52:34
confidence." [laughter]
52:38
Well, it's it's funny. Tommy had always
52:40
said, "Make that." It's [laughter]
52:44
Tommy and I would take turns saying
52:45
second best in our family. None of us
52:47
ever even pretended to be first best in
52:50
our family. It was either second or
52:52
third. And [laughter]
52:54
I remember after the 93 season, uh, and
52:57
I can't ever forget it. Uh, of course,
52:59
we we had the National Coach of the Year
53:01
banquet. Uh, and it was the Bear Bryant
53:04
National Coach of the Year banquet in
53:05
Houston. And I was there. Uh, I was
53:08
nominated. My dad was nominated. Bill
53:10
Snyder was nominated and one other I
53:13
can't remember who the other one was.
53:15
And, uh, and so, uh, I got up and
53:17
talked. You know, we they didn't
53:19
announce it till after everybody spoke.
53:20
So, I was the youngest. I probably spoke
53:22
first. And I can't and I said, "I can't
53:25
believe I'm up here at this on this this
53:27
uh table at the front front table with
53:30
all these great coaches. It's amazing
53:32
how many great coaches there are here.
53:34
And my dad being the oldest, he was the
53:36
last guy to give his little speech
53:38
before they announced the winner. And he
53:40
said, "Well, the first thing I want to
53:41
say is, Terry, there's one less great
53:43
coach up here than you think."
53:45
[laughter]
53:46
And I said, "Well, thanks for ripping me
53:48
with that one, you know." But uh but
53:51
that's kind of the fun that we had. But
53:53
interesting. I enjoy I really do enjoy
53:56
talking to Jim Don and some of the uh
53:58
because he's been through so much uh of
54:01
the football and success and and it it's
54:04
obvious he still covers the game and I
54:07
uh um and and it's it's really funny uh
54:12
that I would I was because I' I've
54:14
gotten to the point now I think you and
54:15
I have talked about it where you don't
54:17
you don't just pick who's going to win
54:18
anymore, you got to pick how much. And
54:22
that's not easy to pick, you know.
54:25
>> I've decided that 60% if I could just
54:27
get 60% of my games right against the
54:29
line, against the spread, I'm way above
54:32
average, you know, when I do that. And
54:34
so that's kind of where I am now.
54:37
>> And circling back to something you said
54:39
earlier, you know, it talked about, you
54:42
know, you it's hard to learn how to be a
54:44
head coach. You know what you want know
54:46
what you want to do. And that's one
54:47
thing, you know, when a when an
54:49
assistant coach gets hired, uh, and and
54:51
it's been, you know, guys have been
54:52
successful. Look at Kirby. He was an
54:54
assistant coach.
54:55
>> Um, but, you know, it also takes a
54:57
little bit. I remember when we were at
54:58
Florida and, you know, overall, uh, you
55:01
know, if you, if you look at our winning
55:03
percentage, we ended up we ended up
55:04
pretty well. Um, you know, we just we
55:06
just followed the wrong guy. We just we
55:08
just followed Spur.
55:09
>> Um, but, you know, Ron was learning how
55:12
to be a head coach. And so it's
55:14
different when you make those mistakes
55:15
at Salem versus making them at Florida.
55:17
>> Absolutely.
55:20
I've always said that uh the great thing
55:22
about coaching at Salem and in Sanford
55:24
before I coached at Auburn was I made a
55:27
I made mistakes when nobody was
55:28
watching. You know, it's not like they
55:30
may not fire you. It's just that you're
55:32
not on the they don't critique it in the
55:34
newspaper or on you know we didn't have
55:36
social media when during the se the 80s
55:38
and uh there was no internet till maybe
55:41
late 80s or at least no social media you
55:45
know till the 90s you know and uh so it
55:48
wasn't something where you got critiqued
55:50
like you are now every mistake you make
55:52
everything you do it's just like if you
55:54
did you watch the Missouri game uh when
55:57
Missouri lost to Virginia I don't know
55:59
if you got a chance to watch that
56:01
>> I Uh but Ahmad Ham lot Ahmad Hardy is
56:05
the uh leading rusher in the SEC at 1560
56:08
yard. He's now at 1,600 yards. He's the
56:10
all-time rushing leader in Missouri. Was
56:13
the number one running running back in
56:15
the conference as far as yards are
56:17
concerned.
56:18
They had a fourth and two to win the
56:20
game with about 25 seconds left. And the
56:23
quarterback and and the head coach
56:25
didn't have him in. He was out. He want
56:26
him in. He's and he's on the sideline.
56:28
He's pacing. He's bad. and he's arguing.
56:31
He's not he's not arguing with him. He's
56:32
having a discussion with the head coach.
56:33
Well, the they run a a power with the
56:36
quarterback and the quarterback gets
56:38
about a yard and a half but doesn't know
56:40
to switch his arm to the inside ar ball
56:42
and reach it across. He just kind of ran
56:45
out of bounds and he's a freshman, you
56:47
know, and didn't get it. And everybody's
56:49
wondering, well, why did you give the
56:50
ball to the best running back in the
56:52
conference? Uh uh and so but everybody's
56:56
second guessing because everybody's
56:57
watching the games and everybody is
56:59
second guessing. Now their quarterback
57:00
has been ultra successful and I'm sure
57:02
he had a reason but he I I didn't
57:05
understand why he didn't give that guy
57:07
the ball a bunch more in that game.
57:09
>> He didn't he didn't have trick uh in in
57:11
on the side
57:12
>> yelling at [laughter]
57:14
run the damn now he ran. Now, I will say
57:16
this, the freshman quarterback that did
57:18
run it is a freshman, a true freshman
57:21
who replaced their starter who tore his
57:24
ankle or tore his knee up and and then
57:25
he opted out. And so Zer has I think
57:28
it's uh Matt Zler. He's a true fresh but
57:31
but he started about seven games now. Uh
57:33
but he can't couldn't hit the side of a
57:35
barn. I mean, they they they I felt like
57:38
they would run well enough and win the
57:40
game that they but they you have to
57:41
throw it some and he could not hit the
57:44
side of a barn and I think they ended up
57:46
with 100 yards of passing, but he got
57:48
half of that on the very last drive. And
57:51
uh and you can't run it every down, you
57:53
know, you can't run it every down. Uh
57:55
and they were forced to run it almost
57:57
every down. And uh Virginia did just
58:00
enough. You know, they mixed the
58:01
running. Virginia was like 60% on third
58:04
downs and Virginia would run run and
58:07
dink a pass and they'd go for it on
58:09
fourth down and make it and they were
58:10
they just kept the ball the whole time.
58:12
You know,
58:12
>> it's funny, you know, deser for those
58:14
who don't, you know, the head coach at
58:16
uh at Virginia deserves a ton of credit,
58:18
you know. I mean, they they kind of peed
58:19
down their leg against Duke, but uh you
58:22
know, he he's to win 11 games at
58:23
Virginia. Um he
58:25
>> first time ever first time ever at
58:27
Virginia to have 11 games, 122 years of
58:30
football. first time ever for the team
58:32
to win 11 and won I want to say it was
58:36
three overtime games and it might have
58:38
been four counting the uh no no he won
58:40
that game without going to overtime. So
58:41
he won three of his losses. He won three
58:43
games in overtime, you know, and then
58:46
lost the conference championship and I
58:47
want to say lost to NC State or Wake
58:49
Forest, somebody that, you know, during
58:51
the season. Uh he lost a game. But uh
58:54
anyway, that was a a great win for for
58:57
Virginia. A great season. I I I I'm
58:59
pretty sure he was the coach of the year
59:00
in the conference. I I don't think
59:02
probably he gets enough credit to be
59:05
coach of the year, but Huh. I'm pretty
59:07
sure
59:07
>> he had to be he had to be. he had to
59:10
have gotten that award, you know, uh for
59:12
the incredible job that he did. He's
59:14
been I was with uh uh at Clemson for two
59:17
years, 19 uh 2019 2020, I was there as
59:21
an analyst and and did a lot of work
59:23
with Tony on offense and then I did
59:25
crossover work for Venibles on defense
59:27
and uh he's just a class guy and uh you
59:32
know, people wonder what's happening at
59:33
at at Clemson that's a little bit off.
59:36
Well, I think obviously everybody is
59:38
saying is Davo paying enough attention
59:40
to the portal if he's is he doing enough
59:42
in the new trend of recruiting? And I'm
59:45
sure that's an issue that even Davos
59:48
says that he uh is changing his thinking
59:51
on that. But he also lost Tony Elliot as
59:54
the offensive coordinator and Brent
59:56
Bibles as the defensive coordinator and
59:58
they were two of the best. That's right.
1:00:00
And when you lose those two coaches,
1:00:02
plus you lose the thing changes from
1:00:05
from recruiting high school kids and and
1:00:08
a culture and and and developing them
1:00:11
and and the play calling because Tony
1:00:13
brought great running attack to the
1:00:14
offense, you know. Uh and then they they
1:00:18
were able to get the best high school
1:00:19
quarterbacks in the country and develop
1:00:21
them, you know, and and uh now people
1:00:23
are if they don't get them, they they
1:00:24
they buy them, you know, and and that's
1:00:27
what and I think that's what he's got to
1:00:29
do at at Clemson. So anyway, that's an
1:00:32
interesting part there. But anyway,
1:00:33
>> and talking about talking about the
1:00:34
portal before we go
1:00:36
>> is uh you know, Rick Tricket was in the
1:00:38
portal.
1:00:39
>> Yes. and landed at landed at West
1:00:41
Virginia and last I heard I believe now
1:00:43
how'd you like to be on the staff with
1:00:44
Rich Rodriguez and three trinkets
1:00:47
>> that that [laughter]
1:00:50
well I've been on the I've been on the
1:00:53
staff with two of them but not at the
1:00:55
same time with Rick and Rich Rodriguez
1:00:58
and uh you can't it'd be hard to take
1:00:59
two of them at the same time much less
1:01:01
three. I think uh Travis is up there. Uh
1:01:05
is the senior offic and and Rick
1:01:08
>> Rick just went there
1:01:10
>> sounds like that's a done deal. He he
1:01:12
does a great job and Travis does a great
1:01:14
job and and and Rodriguez does a great
1:01:16
job but they are they are it's hard to
1:01:19
have you know I used to say I need a
1:01:21
quiet guy a good cop bad cop you need a
1:01:23
quiet coach and a screamer when you got
1:01:25
some screamer you got some guys that get
1:01:27
on them. Uh,
1:01:28
>> but I think he's hiring Chance. I think
1:01:30
he's hiring. You know, Chance Trickett
1:01:31
was was a scout with the uh with the
1:01:34
Rams and I believe he's going to West
1:01:36
Virginia. I may be breaking some news.
1:01:38
I'm not supposed to, but I think he's
1:01:39
going as the uh as a director of
1:01:41
scouting or something like that at West
1:01:42
Virginia. So, you'll have
1:01:43
>> all the all tricks. Well, you know what?
1:01:45
That's probably how he got, you know,
1:01:46
when I got Rich Rodriguez to come play
1:01:49
coach for me, it was part of it was a
1:01:52
package deal. I got his his son was a
1:01:54
quarterback at Arizona. So I brought his
1:01:56
I gave his son a scholarship to lead our
1:01:58
team. So it was a package deal and I
1:02:00
would think he tried to get Tricket when
1:02:02
he went up there and I think Trickett
1:02:04
wanted to stay and coach with his son.
1:02:06
Uh or I think that's what he at Jackson
1:02:08
State Jacksonville
1:02:10
>> well Travis uh Travis was at was at West
1:02:12
Virginia and Clint was at uh
1:02:14
Jacksonville State. But Tick always told
1:02:16
me he said and I I'll leave out the
1:02:18
exits but he said that uh he said I'm
1:02:20
not coaching anybody that that makes
1:02:22
more money than I do. And I was
1:02:24
[laughter] texting with him last night
1:02:25
and he said I said I guess you changed
1:02:26
your mind. He said I'm making more money
1:02:28
than I've ever made. [laughter]
1:02:31
>> It's a time it's a tough time to give up
1:02:33
the the coaching profession. Uh and I
1:02:36
don't know if that had anything to do
1:02:37
with it with with Will Busamp going back
1:02:39
in too, but they're making more money
1:02:40
than they've made. You know, I've been
1:02:42
blessed because I had such a great uh uh
1:02:45
run early in life. Then I had a great
1:02:47
tenure run with ABC New York. And uh I
1:02:50
spent 15 years coaching exactly where I
1:02:52
wanted to coach uh because I love
1:02:54
coaching, you know, uh at schools that
1:02:56
weren't paying top dollar. Uh uh but you
1:02:59
don't you don't always repeat what you
1:03:01
went through beforehand. But anyway, uh
1:03:03
great show today. Great time to be with
1:03:06
uh Jim Donan. Uh we kind of sometimes
1:03:09
this time of year we'll try to be on
1:03:11
next Monday, but we may we may be uh
1:03:14
today. Well, today's not what? Yeah,
1:03:15
today is Monday. I get I get so
1:03:17
confused. I think of Christmas as being
1:03:19
Sunday. Every time I have a Christmas, I
1:03:21
think that must be Sunday, but it's not.
1:03:22
It was Thursday or whatever. But anyway,
1:03:25
we'll be on next week. But we do want to
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