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Not Your Average BARBeque · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with R Radio. Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. The
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Speaker 1: second to last episode of Peter season where Ashley and
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Speaker 1: I have the pleasure of sitting down with Savannah and
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Speaker 1: Sydney from this season of the Bachelor. But that's not all.
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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a wild episode. We're gonna dig
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Speaker 1: into everything that is Peter and Peter's season. Ashley, how
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Speaker 1: are you doing? I am mind boggled? How are you?
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Speaker 1: Why are you mind boggling? And I've never reacted to
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Speaker 1: an episode like I did last night Twist interns, just
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Speaker 1: how total a little bit. I can't believe that after
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Speaker 1: this entire season of saying that Peter's mom Barbara was
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Speaker 1: crying over Madison, I find out that she was crying
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Speaker 1: over Hannah An, the last person I feel like she'd
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Speaker 1: should cry over. Is a little weird. So let's before
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Speaker 1: we bring on our guest for today's podcast, Ashley, Let's
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning. First off, I'm currently on tour
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Speaker 1: right now. I'm in Minneapolis tonight, and I want to
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Speaker 1: tell you this. Actually, I always love sharing this with
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Speaker 1: you because it's true. I was just and we did
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Speaker 1: our Washington stint last week, and you have so many
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Speaker 1: friends and so many fans in Washington. People love you
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Speaker 1: on the Pacific, in the Pacific Northwest. It's so nice.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you to all you guys thinking out
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Speaker 1: That's so sweet, big almost famous fans. It's actually wild
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Speaker 1: how we do these shows and afterwards, how many people
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Speaker 1: come up and say, I listen to your podcast, I
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Speaker 1: love your podcast. My mom and I listen to your podcast.
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Speaker 1: We love our your podcast, listen to it together. So
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Speaker 1: I just want to give you that, Actually you don't
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Speaker 1: get to be around it right now, um like I do.
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Speaker 1: And I just want you to know that you have
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that love you out there. So
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Speaker 1: here's what I think you're people that love you. Expect.
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Speaker 1: Let's break down why this was so emotionally taxing on you,
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Speaker 1: because we expect. I thought you were going to say,
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Speaker 1: on Barbara, I have a couple of theories for Barbara,
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Speaker 1: and so let's sit here before we bring our guests
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Speaker 1: and talk a little bit about Barbara and her interaction
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Speaker 1: with Peter. Was her emotions, I guess I want to
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Speaker 1: say stop here. Actually it felt a little bit heavy
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Speaker 1: for me because it felt a little bit unwise for
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Speaker 1: her to be so confident in her opinion of Madison
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Speaker 1: without actually getting to be around her very long at all. No, Actually,
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Speaker 1: what I thought was weird is that she did have
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Speaker 1: more time with Madison then she's had with Hannah Ann,
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Speaker 1: because she got that whole date, the first date of
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Speaker 1: the season with Madison, and she seemed so in love
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Speaker 1: with Madison during that date that that's the reason that
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Speaker 1: I assumed this entire season that she was crying over Madison,
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Speaker 1: because I was like, that woman has probably thought about
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Speaker 1: Madison the entire season. She's expected him to end up
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Speaker 1: with her, and that's the only reason that I couldn't
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Speaker 1: imagine like such an emotional outburst is because she's been
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Speaker 1: tied to this idea for so long. So then to
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Speaker 1: see that she was reacting to um Hannah and being
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Speaker 1: quote a perfect angels sent from Heaven for Peter after
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Speaker 1: an afternoon with her, I was just be fumbled. You're
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Speaker 1: easily swayed during this process, and I get it. My
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Speaker 1: mom had a really hard time because you love your son,
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Speaker 1: you want to see what's best for your son. All
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're your son who you care for
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Speaker 1: and love shows up to a house with two women saying, hey, mom,
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Speaker 1: in a week or two days or whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: I could be getting down on one knee and proposing
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Speaker 1: to one of these women. It's a lot to take in.
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Speaker 1: So before we just jump on Barbe's case and we're
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Speaker 1: like and and Ashley and I are not doing that.
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Speaker 1: We're what we're saying is it was odd. It It
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Speaker 1: was hard to watch, but I get it because I
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Speaker 1: know how hard those moments are. The issue here, I think,
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Speaker 1: and are about tell you this to your face. Is
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Speaker 1: it felt a little manipulative. And I think when Peter
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Speaker 1: sitting there going mom, please stop, Mom, Please stop, Mom,
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Speaker 1: Please stop saying this, he really just wants to like
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Speaker 1: be like you wouldn't use privacy of your home and
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Speaker 1: just yell and be like, Mom, you are making a
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Speaker 1: fool of yourself. You're making a fool of me. I
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Speaker 1: know how this is gonna look. This is awful, You're
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Speaker 1: not right, But I can't yell at you because that
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Speaker 1: looks terrible. So I'm just gonna beg you, mom, please
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Speaker 1: stop crying. Please stop being so confident in your choice,
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Speaker 1: because you have no clue what you're doing. Yeah. So
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Speaker 1: so many things. I'm overwhelmed. Overwhelming is not, I don't
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Speaker 1: think an unpopular opinion. Right now, speaking of overwhelming, we
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Speaker 1: have to really special talk about earlier Savannah and Sydney.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they've watched the episode, and if they haven't, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing with their lives. They're
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Speaker 1: on Peter season of The Bachelor, they're released a few
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, UM fan favorites, and they're nice enough to
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Speaker 1: come in and talk to us today. Ashley, you're in
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Speaker 1: studio with them right now, and so I'm gonna let
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Speaker 1: you take it away, kind of guide them through this conversation.
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Speaker 1: I think we should talk all things hand and all
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Speaker 1: things Madison, all things barbed, and then let's get a
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Speaker 1: feel for how I guess they expect Peter to handle
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Speaker 1: these last couple of moments. But before we do, let's
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Speaker 1: take a break and talk about one of our sponsors.
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Speaker 1: So we have Savannah Mullins and Sydney high Tower in
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Speaker 1: studio with us right now. Let's start with you. Savannah.
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Speaker 1: Please just remind fans out there as they're listen to
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Speaker 1: the podcast how they would know you. Maybe your most
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Speaker 1: memorable moment during Peter's season and then what week you
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Speaker 1: were asked to go back to your family. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: a nice way of putting it. Go see your family now. Um.
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Speaker 1: So you might not remember me very much because I
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Speaker 1: wasn't shown to too much. I was the buttery, flaky girl.
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Speaker 1: UM on night one, I was you know, I had
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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, just my moments, the quirky
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Speaker 1: side of me. Um. I didn't really have too much
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Speaker 1: time on the show. I left, so it was um
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Speaker 1: week four that I got eliminated. And then Sydney. Wow,
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Speaker 1: where do I even begin? Um? I think one are
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Speaker 1: my most memorable moments? Um, probably the moment in Costa
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Speaker 1: Rica with me and Tam Tam. That was pretty memorable. UM,
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Speaker 1: I guess you know, me and Peters one on one.
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Speaker 1: To me, that was my most memorable moment. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure for viewers, but yeah, I left what two weeks
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Speaker 1: before Hometowns? So yeah. UM. Can I address something like
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Speaker 1: a weird rumor that has floated around about you, Peter?
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Speaker 1: Of course? Why are some people convinced that you guys
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Speaker 1: had sex in that lake? I think because one of
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Speaker 1: the um, it was actually funny. One of the teasers
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Speaker 1: before this show even started, was like kind of just
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Speaker 1: like a voiceover of some of the girls being like,
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Speaker 1: the night I got home from my one on one,
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Speaker 1: I was in a bathing suit, so of course I
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Speaker 1: walked and all the girls are just like, what the hell, Like,
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Speaker 1: why are you in a bathing suit? Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: Um it was because of obviously me and Peter had
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Speaker 1: like our night portion in the hot spring. But anyways,
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Speaker 1: Victoria f and some girls were just like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: she had sex with Peter. Da da da da, which
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Speaker 1: was completely false. But I think that they were just
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Speaker 1: using that and like the scene with me and Peter
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Speaker 1: was just do me. Yeah, it would be one of
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Speaker 1: the most wild things I think any contestant would ever
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Speaker 1: choose to do, would be to have any type of
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Speaker 1: physical intimacy during the season, because the truth is there's
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Speaker 1: about twenty five people watching you, so this just not
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Speaker 1: is never an intimate moment. Yeah, I that was wild
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Speaker 1: to even hear that. Um, but no, definitely that was false. Well,
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Speaker 1: Sydney and Savannah, I want to hear from you. Guys
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Speaker 1: actually have been chatting a bunch behind the scenes here.
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Speaker 1: You obviously have left the season Uh, your experience on
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Speaker 1: the show is one that for most of fans they
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Speaker 1: will remember. But now that you've been gone and you've
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Speaker 1: watched it back, have your emotions and your feelings towards
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Speaker 1: Peter changed or towards the season. What's kind of your
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Speaker 1: take on this season so far? Um, So, watching it back,
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Speaker 1: it was it's kind of hard because I felt like,
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Speaker 1: for me, I, let you know, being in front of
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Speaker 1: the camera just like really get the best of me.
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Speaker 1: Like I had a hard time with the cameras and so,
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Speaker 1: you know, seeing his relationship with other people and feeling like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I could have easily had that with him.
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Speaker 1: It was really tough to watch back, just because I
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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want to say a self sabotage,
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Speaker 1: but you know, I kind of just got in my
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Speaker 1: head too much. But yeah, I mean watching it back,
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Speaker 1: I still feel the same about him. I think he
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Speaker 1: was incredibly kind and just a very compassionate person. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: if anything, I just have more love and respect for
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Speaker 1: him as a person watching it back. So watching it now,
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Speaker 1: I think I have a lot more. Um, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I feel for Peter a lot more than I did
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Speaker 1: when I was in this show because you know, I
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Speaker 1: was so focused on him and just him and I
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't really thinking of all the stuff, every
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Speaker 1: single thing that he had to go through. So I
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Speaker 1: think looking back now, I can see like he's going
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Speaker 1: through so much, and um, I have like just more
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Speaker 1: compassion for him, um than I did when we were
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Speaker 1: you know, I was dating him. But um, it has
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Speaker 1: been a crazy season. It's definitely been um one that
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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people expected. I think
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Speaker 1: they expected this season to be kind of like more
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Speaker 1: relaxed and chill because Peter is just like such a
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Speaker 1: good guy. But um, the group of girls, we are
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Speaker 1: very opinionated and I'm all very different. So I think
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Speaker 1: it's been um it's been interesting for everyone you know
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Speaker 1: to watch. Um. Okay, So this whole season, I felt
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Speaker 1: very disconnected towards Hannah and I just I don't get her.
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Speaker 1: I don't know her, I don't see there, I don't
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Speaker 1: see this connection between them. I think in part it's
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Speaker 1: because his connection with Maddie has been so strong at like,
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Speaker 1: I discredit whatever he has with other people because I
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Speaker 1: know what feels the most strong, Like I know Peter
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Speaker 1: in love, and that is when he's with Maddie. So
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Speaker 1: I kind of just like, Okay, everybody else's far second place.
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Speaker 1: So me feeling like that the entire season. I wonder
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Speaker 1: why Barbara felt so attached to her with just such
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Speaker 1: a little man of time. I want to know from
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Speaker 1: you guys who spent time with Hannah Ann in the
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Speaker 1: in the house, is this something is like, is Barbara
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Speaker 1: the norm here? Or my the norm here? Like? How
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Speaker 1: easy or heart is it to connect with Hannah? And yeah, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I never really got too close to handing.
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Speaker 1: I think none of us really got super super close
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Speaker 1: to her. She was always super focused and you know,
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Speaker 1: you have so much time in the house with the girls,
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Speaker 1: so like a lot of us got really close, you know, um,
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Speaker 1: but Hannah and never really got that close to anyone,
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Speaker 1: you know, which is fine because her goal was Peter
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Speaker 1: and that's fine. But no, I totally get where you're
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Speaker 1: coming from because I never had any kind of connection,
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Speaker 1: not really many of the girls did. Um. So for
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Speaker 1: Peter's mom to like instantly have that with her, it
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Speaker 1: was like I was I was also just like wait, what,
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Speaker 1: Like that was fast, you know, especially because she had
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Speaker 1: met Madison, you know, on their first one on one
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Speaker 1: they had like such a great time. Yeah, and they
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Speaker 1: were like like she was like I loved loved her.
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Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, when Madison sees them, agin
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Speaker 1: like it's going to be like, oh, like great, we
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Speaker 1: can't wait to see you again. Like and I thought
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Speaker 1: also the whole time Barb was talking about Maddie when
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Speaker 1: she was like bring her home to us, and that
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Speaker 1: shook so like you on the season, being part of
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Speaker 1: the season, they thought that Barb was referring thousand percent
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Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, I thought so as well. I mean with
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Speaker 1: Hannah Anne, you kind of have to like force that
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Speaker 1: friendship almost like she's very standoffish and um at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: you know, it was maybe like a weekend to it.
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Speaker 1: I finally was like Hannah, and like, who are you
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Speaker 1: as a person? I need to know, because you know,
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Speaker 1: she obviously had all that time on night one she
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Speaker 1: got the first pressure Rose. I was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: Peter must really have an attachment to her, and I
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Speaker 1: want to know who she is as a person. So
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Speaker 1: finally I just was like, hey, like I want to
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Speaker 1: know who you are. Just was like blunt, and she
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Speaker 1: finally started opening up to me, and I got to
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Speaker 1: see these sides of her where you know, he kind
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Speaker 1: of expressed it last night, like where she's just like
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Speaker 1: so innocent but has this confidence and it's just like
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Speaker 1: very admirable, and um, yeah, I just I really liked
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Speaker 1: her as a person and she's just very kindhearted. So
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Speaker 1: I mean I can see why Barb would be attached
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Speaker 1: to her because like once you get like once she
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Speaker 1: opens up even a little bit, you're like, wow, like
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Speaker 1: you're just like the sweetest person ever, so very sweet, Ben,
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Speaker 1: How would your mom be if, um, there was one
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Speaker 1: girl that was just so expressive about her feelings and
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Speaker 1: another one that was showing doubt, would she would that
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Speaker 1: doubt in her head, would that doubt that was being
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Speaker 1: expressed just m m, just like discredit that girl? Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, actually that's a good question. I think it's
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Speaker 1: difficult and we often understand that, as I said at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast, it's hard for a mom
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Speaker 1: to be in this situation. And I do think you
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Speaker 1: have a high expectations walking in to meeting these women
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Speaker 1: because you know the way of what's about to happen.
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Speaker 1: So if you have one girl who isn't showing the
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Speaker 1: love and the confidence in your son, and you know
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Speaker 1: that she they're potentially a few days away from being engaged.
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Speaker 1: I think you're I think an alert goes up in
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Speaker 1: your head and goes, they're not ready for this, And
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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Like I think that's okay if
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Speaker 1: you have somebody show up to your house and I'm
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Speaker 1: not sold out that this is my husband. I love
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Speaker 1: your son, I appreciate your son, I respect your son,
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Speaker 1: but I have a lot of questions about our relationship.
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Speaker 1: That's that's all good things. Nobody was in the wrong here,
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Speaker 1: And I think as a mom, you go, wait, but
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Speaker 1: yet you're here to talk to me about marrying my son.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's how this works. Like, I don't
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Speaker 1: think you walk into a marriage with the big questions
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Speaker 1: that Madison has, like, Hey, I don't drink, I don't
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Speaker 1: go out, I'm a virgin, And the mom's going, oh,
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Speaker 1: my son goes out. He comes home from a trip
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Speaker 1: and he goes out in parties. Oh, he's definitely not
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Speaker 1: a virgin. The brother says Peter. I know you're super
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Speaker 1: physically intimate with a lot of people, like not there's
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Speaker 1: no shame or judgment there, but it's hey, our lives
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Speaker 1: don't look anything alike, Like, no part of our lives
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Speaker 1: look alike, and so as a result, we have concerns.
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Speaker 1: I think a mom would freak out and go, Peter, stop,
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Speaker 1: this isn't smart, this isn't wise. I think there could
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Speaker 1: have been better ways to handle it. I think the crying,
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Speaker 1: and I think the Peter, this is what you have
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Speaker 1: to do, Peter, you have to choose somebody you have
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Speaker 1: an angel. I think that's really hard language that was
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Speaker 1: not wise for barbedus at all on a son. But
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Speaker 1: I don't think her response was incredibly out there, Like
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Speaker 1: I think it was fair, and I think it was hard,
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Speaker 1: and I think my mom would have a hard time
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Speaker 1: with it. And I think she did have a hard
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Speaker 1: time with it, because it's a lot to process all
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Speaker 1: at once. It seemed to me like she didn't like
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Speaker 1: um the to made him than mad is engaged. Like
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Speaker 1: they seemed very turned off by the fact that she
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Speaker 1: had that conversation with Peter beforehand, and she was like,
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Speaker 1: you told my my son what he should and should
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Speaker 1: not do. And Maddie stood up for herself beautifully. She
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Speaker 1: was like, no, no, I told him how I was
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Speaker 1: going to feel if he did that, it was about
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Speaker 1: my emotions and I left the choice up to him. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think Maddie. I really commend her. I really commend
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Speaker 1: Maddie for um just sticking to her guns on that,
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Speaker 1: especially because you know, you want to please their mom
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Speaker 1: and you want to be liked by their mom, and
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Speaker 1: she just really stuck to her guns, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I think maybe that turned Barb off from her, But
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Speaker 1: I think typically a conversation like that would have gone
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Speaker 1: over with the mom and be like, oh my god.
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Speaker 1: I think Barbe's mind was made up, though, like when
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Speaker 1: she met Hannah and it was just like, I don't
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Speaker 1: think she was like Maddie was just like when she
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Speaker 1: saw her, she was like a yeah, I just don't know.
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Speaker 1: And also like what the ultimatum happening? It was just like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think her mind was kind of made up, and
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Speaker 1: she was very vocal about that. I definitely think that's
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Speaker 1: the case. We've never seen a more contentious moment between
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Speaker 1: the one of the final two and the parents of
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Speaker 1: the lead. Never This is the most contentious conversation and
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Speaker 1: just even between the lead and the parents that we
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Speaker 1: I think we've ever seen this was really hard to
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Speaker 1: watch because the truth is, like, this is a son
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Speaker 1: talking to his parents and in a really emotional moment
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Speaker 1: like this is this will cause like relational like maybe
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Speaker 1: not damage, but this will like this is a real
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Speaker 1: moment for this family. It was really really difficult to
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Speaker 1: sit through for me because you know, I've sat in
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Speaker 1: that moment before, and I know what it looks like
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Speaker 1: to look across the table at your parents in these
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Speaker 1: moments and go, you just have to trust me that
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be all right, Like you have to
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Speaker 1: trust me that I came into this with the good
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Speaker 1: intentions and then have a clear head and that what
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Speaker 1: you're feeling and what you're thinking might not be the
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Speaker 1: whole picture and the whole story. And I can't tell
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Speaker 1: you why because you'll just never understand, but just trust me.
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Speaker 1: And it hurts and it sucks, and it would be
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Speaker 1: so hard to see your mom crying. It's not fair
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Speaker 1: for Peter. I don't think Barb thought that through, but
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Speaker 1: I get that it's hard for the whole entire family.
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Speaker 1: I found it interesting that that Peter went into the
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Speaker 1: meetings with the with the family being like I like them,
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Speaker 1: but I love them both and like, I'm really torn,
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Speaker 1: and then men and then when they were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's Hannah and all all the way, then he was like, no,
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Speaker 1: it's not, it's madicine. Oh my gosh. We always talk
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Speaker 1: about it was actually want to hear from you. You
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Speaker 1: you have you weren't able to make it to the
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Speaker 1: final two, but you have a parents that care about
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Speaker 1: you a lot um And then meant, how do you
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Speaker 1: think they would have handled this moment? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: We always talk about when it comes to the final two,
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Speaker 1: how important the family's opinion on the person matters, and
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Speaker 1: usualize usually I say it matters very much. But this
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Speaker 1: episode made me feel like, no, you go into your
18:12
Speaker 1: own heart. Your family is going to have to love
18:16
Speaker 1: that person because they don't see that side that, you know,
18:19
Speaker 1: that relationship that he built with her. They don't see
18:22
Speaker 1: any of that. They only see, you know, what's right
18:25
Speaker 1: in front of them. So yeah, I feel like they
18:26
Speaker 1: should definitely trust him in that situation. I just it didn't.
18:31
Speaker 1: They're so close his family, so it was I don't
18:33
Speaker 1: think any of us expected it to go like this,
18:36
Speaker 1: you know, for it to be like a kind of
18:37
Speaker 1: like a push and pull with Peter versus his parents
18:40
Speaker 1: and like his mindset on things, and then them feeling
18:43
Speaker 1: a certain a different way. I feel like, no, we
18:46
Speaker 1: all expected things to just happen, you know, unanimously, and
18:50
Speaker 1: so it's it's different. It is kind of nuts the
18:53
Speaker 1: way that they kept and I don't know how much
18:55
Speaker 1: editing there was involved, but they kept saying stuff like
18:59
Speaker 1: Hannah and is perfect angel, it's angel. Have been with
19:05
Speaker 1: her for like three hours at best. How are you
19:10
Speaker 1: doing that? Especially with Maddie, who like, yeah, they're having
19:14
Speaker 1: like a conflict in their relationship, but technically Maddie's the angel,
19:20
Speaker 1: you know. She's like she's saving herself from there, and
19:23
Speaker 1: so like the angel, ben Um, you know what I've
19:31
Speaker 1: felt interesting, and I want to because religion plays such
19:34
Speaker 1: a big role in this conversation, I want to kick
19:36
Speaker 1: it over to you for a second. I found it
19:39
Speaker 1: interesting that his mom was like, we're spiritual people, and
19:43
Speaker 1: like you're like strict religion might be getting in the way,
19:46
Speaker 1: or like not in the way, but like it may
19:48
Speaker 1: never be compatible with my son and my spiritual views, right,
19:53
Speaker 1: and then flash forward ten minutes and she's like God
19:57
Speaker 1: told me, spoke with God, and like that and all
20:03
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it because all about God. Yeah, it
20:08
Speaker 1: got weird fast. Um. Here's my take on that. I
20:11
Speaker 1: was watching with a few buddies last night and all
20:14
Speaker 1: of them, um, are are Christians as well, and they
20:18
Speaker 1: love the show. And so we're watching it together in
20:20
Speaker 1: Minneapolis last night, and we all looked at each other
20:23
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what this reminds me of.
20:24
Speaker 1: It reminds me of middle school. I don't know how
20:26
Speaker 1: many of you kind of grew up in a Christian community,
20:29
Speaker 1: but one of the popular things in middle school was
20:31
Speaker 1: to break up with your girlfriend and boyfriend and say
20:33
Speaker 1: I just don't think this is what God wants and
20:35
Speaker 1: God told me to which is a really terrible thing
20:37
Speaker 1: to say to a middle school because all of a sudden,
20:39
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, God doesn't like me, like he's telling
20:42
Speaker 1: you to break up with me. Um. And it's a
20:44
Speaker 1: brutal thing, but it was used all the time, and
20:46
Speaker 1: it's not right, it's not fair, it's manipulative, and it's
20:49
Speaker 1: and it's in a sense like it causes deep damage.
20:52
Speaker 1: And so when that was getting thrown around last night,
20:54
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in that conversation, like how confident.
20:57
Speaker 1: You have to be very confident when you start throwing
21:00
Speaker 1: got around that that is what like that that that
21:02
Speaker 1: is the truth? Like when you start using that on somebody,
21:05
Speaker 1: when you start talking about something greater than yourself, a
21:07
Speaker 1: higher a higher power, somebody, some a creator. When you
21:12
Speaker 1: do that, you need to make sure you're doing it
21:13
Speaker 1: and wisdom and you're doing it with a lot of thought.
21:16
Speaker 1: And I think to throw it out there, say I
21:17
Speaker 1: said a prayer last night, and this is my answer.
21:21
Speaker 1: I think what was Peter supposed to respond with, like,
21:24
Speaker 1: he's not he's not. He's not able to say, Mom,
21:26
Speaker 1: though you didn't, because that makes him look like a jerk.
21:28
Speaker 1: He's not able to say, Mom, are you sure, because
21:31
Speaker 1: then she's gonna get upset. He's not able to say, well,
21:35
Speaker 1: you know, you're being ridiculous, because that just makes him
21:37
Speaker 1: look insensitive. I thought that part for Barb was a
21:40
Speaker 1: part that was just not thought through. I thought it
21:43
Speaker 1: was very unfair for Peter, and I think it carried
21:46
Speaker 1: a lot more weight than what it seemed like on TV.
21:49
Speaker 1: I know of my mom were to say those words
21:51
Speaker 1: to me, knowing what her faith is and knowing how
21:54
Speaker 1: she how she just tried always to pray about my wife,
21:58
Speaker 1: for her, her whole entire. If she sent me down
22:01
Speaker 1: and said God told me this, all of a sudden,
22:03
Speaker 1: my attention rises and my heart starts to get more focused,
22:06
Speaker 1: and I go, I need to listen to this. But
22:09
Speaker 1: I know that my mom also would walk really slowly
22:11
Speaker 1: into that conversation because she knows how much weight it
22:14
Speaker 1: would it would carry. I felt like God's name was
22:16
Speaker 1: thrown thrown around last night, very loosely, and I don't
22:20
Speaker 1: appreciate that. It really is not a good positive communication
22:26
Speaker 1: tactic for anybody. And it reminded me of middle school
22:28
Speaker 1: all over again. And that was my biggest problem, because
22:31
Speaker 1: I do take those moments seriously. I think Madison was
22:35
Speaker 1: expressing what she desired and who she was and what
22:38
Speaker 1: she her concerns were, and so for that to be
22:40
Speaker 1: used against her, then I just felt wrong. Jack also, Jack,
22:47
Speaker 1: his brother, said I hated this, said that Maddie was
22:52
Speaker 1: raising red flags, and like I was like, okay, so
22:56
Speaker 1: her wanting to stay a virgin until she's married as
22:59
Speaker 1: a red flag for you? Jack? Really weird? Okay, can
23:03
Speaker 1: I get it? So like, yeah, let's not listen, And
23:07
Speaker 1: and even going back to barbed like, I know Peter,
23:10
Speaker 1: and I know he loves his mom, and I know
23:12
Speaker 1: his mom mom is loves him well, like I think
23:14
Speaker 1: she's a great mom. I think this is a really
23:16
Speaker 1: hard situation. Again, I go back to the difficulty of
23:19
Speaker 1: the environment and not as much the difficulty and the
23:23
Speaker 1: just kind of the uh, the lack of attention that
23:26
Speaker 1: was spent communicating in this moment. I even think it
23:28
Speaker 1: happened with his brother. I think his brother there was
23:31
Speaker 1: trying to do his best to keep up with the conversation,
23:34
Speaker 1: to try to fit in where he could, and to
23:36
Speaker 1: try to fill in some gaps when it comes to
23:37
Speaker 1: how his family is feeling, and I think as a result,
23:40
Speaker 1: he was getting a very small picture of Maddie. Yeah.
23:44
Speaker 1: In the same conversation, Jack also questions Peter on you know,
23:49
Speaker 1: not having sex until he's married, if that's like something
23:51
Speaker 1: he'd be okay with. It seems like Jack really thinks
23:54
Speaker 1: that Peter is not going to make it that far.
23:56
Speaker 1: He was like, until you're like really married, until you
24:00
Speaker 1: make it like he's like really married, like not engagement
24:03
Speaker 1: nerd um, And then he also says that um Madison
24:08
Speaker 1: is big on ministry, and you know she probably goes
24:11
Speaker 1: to the church multiple times a week and Peter likes
24:14
Speaker 1: to go line dancing into the club. It's it was.
24:21
Speaker 1: I mean, I think for anybody watching, this was a
24:23
Speaker 1: really difficult experience. Family matters. It really matters to Peter.
24:27
Speaker 1: We've seen it all season, and I felt like we're
24:29
Speaker 1: all very like anticipatory for this moment, and I felt
24:33
Speaker 1: like we walked into it last night and it was
24:34
Speaker 1: just brutal to watch the whole time. And we all
24:37
Speaker 1: felt for Peter and we all felt for his family.
24:40
Speaker 1: And I don't think anything last night anything felt good. Now, Hey, Ashley,
24:46
Speaker 1: before we come back and talk to Sydney in Savannah
24:48
Speaker 1: and we talked more of Peter's first part of the
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Speaker 1: FINANCEE Finale Finale Finale, Uh, let's take a break and
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Speaker 1: talk about one of our sponsors. Okay. So I was thinking,
25:07
Speaker 1: I think in Barb and yeah, we're still talking about
25:10
Speaker 1: Barb Okay, a couple of last things about her and
25:13
Speaker 1: her thoughts towards Madison and Hannah, And I think it
25:16
Speaker 1: was just because like Hannah Ann was one crying, Maddie
25:20
Speaker 1: wasn't as emotional. Um too, she was like I love
25:25
Speaker 1: him and I want like the very best for him,
25:28
Speaker 1: and she just she was so Peter centric. She wasn't
25:32
Speaker 1: thinking about herself at all. But when Madison was talking
25:36
Speaker 1: about herself, she was talking about, you know, her expectations
25:38
Speaker 1: in a relationship. So I don't think that like that
25:42
Speaker 1: was anything. I think that's something totally fine to be
25:45
Speaker 1: bringing up. Um. But then Hannah Ann says something like
25:50
Speaker 1: she goes, it was love at first sight, and and
25:53
Speaker 1: nobody and people who haven't experienced love it first sight
25:56
Speaker 1: like often things that thinks it's hogwash. And I think
25:58
Speaker 1: between all of that that's what made the parents just
26:03
Speaker 1: swoon over Hannah. I think that, Um, I don't know.
26:08
Speaker 1: With Hannah Anne. You know, it's just like she had
26:11
Speaker 1: this like very optimistic outlook on the whole thing, and
26:15
Speaker 1: I think, I mean Maddie Maddie did as well, but um,
26:20
Speaker 1: I don't know. When it came to Maddie, I just
26:22
Speaker 1: felt like she I think maybe Barbara might have thought
26:26
Speaker 1: that she was like making it about herself and not
26:28
Speaker 1: so much about like Peter, because it's like, you know,
26:31
Speaker 1: her ultimatum that she's giving him. And sure, I think
26:33
Speaker 1: in this moment they were kind of like this is
26:36
Speaker 1: all about Peter. This whole show was about Peter and
26:38
Speaker 1: Peter finding his happy ending, not two people finding there
26:41
Speaker 1: not be ending. Right, You're supposed to be going after
26:44
Speaker 1: my son, so why aren't you one in on my son? Absolutely?
26:48
Speaker 1: And I think Hannah Anne is the type of woman
26:50
Speaker 1: and it's she's always been very just like willing whatever
26:54
Speaker 1: Peter said. She's like, I'm here for you no matter what,
26:56
Speaker 1: Like you know, every single thing that she's ever really
26:59
Speaker 1: said was just like I no matter what you do,
27:01
Speaker 1: I'm here, Like I'm not leaving, I'm not going anywhere.
27:03
Speaker 1: And Madison on the other end, is like, look like
27:06
Speaker 1: these are my standards and if you, you know, hurt
27:09
Speaker 1: me in these ways, I don't know how I'm going
27:11
Speaker 1: to be able to do this. So you know, obviously
27:14
Speaker 1: that's two huge different sides of the spectrum. So if
27:17
Speaker 1: a mother, a mother bears like sitting there seeing this
27:20
Speaker 1: or like, well, you know, Madison's gonna be there no
27:22
Speaker 1: matter what, and like he's like, they see, I mean,
27:25
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Hannah, And then they see Madison like wavering
27:28
Speaker 1: with him, like telling him, hey, like I don't live
27:31
Speaker 1: this way and like I won't see my husband being
27:33
Speaker 1: this way. So I don't know, Like I'm not a mother,
27:36
Speaker 1: but like I would imagine just like protect my son,
27:38
Speaker 1: protect my son, and you know, Hannah and has always
27:41
Speaker 1: been there and always will be. So I don't know.
27:43
Speaker 1: I think she's probably felt like she felt short as
27:46
Speaker 1: like protecting him, like as far as Hannaby and you
27:49
Speaker 1: know how she brought that up, It just made it
27:51
Speaker 1: seem like she was afraid that Maddie was going to
27:54
Speaker 1: leave him, like Hanna Bey did, And so I think
27:57
Speaker 1: that's why she was more you know, into Hannah and
28:04
Speaker 1: drawn between Hannah b and Madison last night. Yeah, they're
28:09
Speaker 1: very strong personality. They loved Hannah by right. I mean,
28:12
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did, but I think that they just
28:14
Speaker 1: fear that they're, you know, they're going to leave. You know.
28:18
Speaker 1: I think she felt like Maddie was going to leave him,
28:20
Speaker 1: and I don't know. That's just kind of what I
28:23
Speaker 1: perceived from the last night's episode. Well, we do see
28:26
Speaker 1: Maddie leave him. Staffored that conversation before we get into that,
28:32
Speaker 1: you guys told me a little bit about how Hannah
28:35
Speaker 1: Anne is in the house, how you got to know her,
28:37
Speaker 1: So tell me more about Madison and what she's like
28:40
Speaker 1: when we're not watching her on t ving Maddie is.
28:45
Speaker 1: I feel like watching her, she kind of seemed a
28:47
Speaker 1: little cold in moments, Like you know, she wasn't emotional.
28:52
Speaker 1: She's just very I mean, she's very levelheaded and rational.
28:56
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like she was that person that
28:58
Speaker 1: I would go to when you know, this environment just
29:01
Speaker 1: kind of you get caught up, and she just kind
29:04
Speaker 1: of would slow it down for me and just like
29:06
Speaker 1: really talk me through it. And um, she's just like
29:08
Speaker 1: very kind and compassionate in that way. And um, you
29:12
Speaker 1: know she's but she's also this like very strong woman
29:16
Speaker 1: and confident and so I think Peter really liked that
29:19
Speaker 1: about her. And um, we had a lot of moments.
29:22
Speaker 1: We shared a closet together, and so like what I
29:27
Speaker 1: was like, I know, the bedrooms are small, shared a closet, Okay, yeah,
29:31
Speaker 1: like the closet, you know you have like your own
29:33
Speaker 1: little like world in there, I guess. But like she
29:35
Speaker 1: would always like be doing Bible study and stuff, and um,
29:38
Speaker 1: she would just kind of keep to herself but also
29:41
Speaker 1: was there when you needed her. So she was just
29:43
Speaker 1: a really good friend and I really liked her. Yeah,
29:46
Speaker 1: I think you mean Madis were both from Alabama and
29:49
Speaker 1: just having that similarity and like being able to like
29:52
Speaker 1: once this was all over, like see each other and
29:54
Speaker 1: just like connect on that level was huge. And us
29:57
Speaker 1: also understanding the community that we you know, are rom
30:00
Speaker 1: and all the expectation in Madison, you know, doing this
30:04
Speaker 1: being who she is. Um, I just commend her so much.
30:08
Speaker 1: And you know, like you said, she is very sweet,
30:11
Speaker 1: very kind, like soft woman, but also she's very headstrong,
30:15
Speaker 1: so you know when it came out to this point
30:17
Speaker 1: with the fantasy sweets, like you saw that in her. Um,
30:21
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know, I she's I love
30:23
Speaker 1: her and she's such a good girl. Like yeah, I
30:27
Speaker 1: love Maddie for sure. Yeah. One thing, oh sorry, UM,
30:31
Speaker 1: one thing about Maddie that I really appreciate it. It was,
30:34
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we've seen it on the show,
30:36
Speaker 1: but um, you know, in those private moments, like her
30:39
Speaker 1: and I would both really you know, just question things
30:43
Speaker 1: we weren't just like oh yeah, like just along for
30:45
Speaker 1: the ride type of thing, like she would be like okay,
30:47
Speaker 1: like questioning certain aspects of it. And I don't know,
30:51
Speaker 1: I just feel like that meant like she was really
30:52
Speaker 1: taking this seriously and really considering the fact that, yeah,
30:55
Speaker 1: you are going to be engaged to this person at
30:57
Speaker 1: the end, so you have to consider everything. Did you
31:00
Speaker 1: feel the strength of their relationship like we do watching it?
31:04
Speaker 1: It was it was undeniable. I mean, I'm gonna be
31:07
Speaker 1: honest here, like when you're in the house and you
31:10
Speaker 1: you know, you know the girl that he is like
31:14
Speaker 1: super connected. I don't know if you felt the same way,
31:17
Speaker 1: but I like the first three because I was like, like,
31:21
Speaker 1: it was good. She walks in the room and it
31:23
Speaker 1: literally is like nobody, no one out for rom in
31:26
Speaker 1: the room. No one else was in the room. And
31:27
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, this sucks because I am
31:30
Speaker 1: dating this guy. But I was like, just don't get
31:31
Speaker 1: in your head, Sitney, just like stay focused, don't get
31:33
Speaker 1: in her head. But that I always knew, like I'm
31:37
Speaker 1: just like something, Okay, I'm like I was hoping I
31:40
Speaker 1: could get to that level they were at, but you
31:42
Speaker 1: know I didn't. But just it was undeniable the moment
31:46
Speaker 1: the first week, the first I mean the first one one,
31:49
Speaker 1: like it was just undeniable. Their connection undeniable. Now when
31:53
Speaker 1: she came home, um, I was actually still a week
31:56
Speaker 1: when she came home from their one on one because
31:57
Speaker 1: I was getting ready for a group date and I
32:00
Speaker 1: saw that she had like a bouquet of flowers and
32:02
Speaker 1: she was just like beaming, and I knew, I think
32:04
Speaker 1: that that's kind of why I just like held back.
32:07
Speaker 1: So I was like, I knew that that connection was
32:09
Speaker 1: so strong right after their one on one, and I
32:11
Speaker 1: was like, how am I going to discourage to me
32:13
Speaker 1: as well? I was just like, hey, I don't. I
32:15
Speaker 1: don't every pack your bags ever, it's Maddie. So then
32:22
Speaker 1: did you guys just feel both when you were eliminated,
32:24
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, well I'm gonna go home and people
32:26
Speaker 1: are going to ask me who's going to win this season?
32:28
Speaker 1: And then you thought in your head, Mattie, so then
32:31
Speaker 1: what about Hannah And where do you think she'd place?
32:34
Speaker 1: I knew she's gonna be that far second is very
32:38
Speaker 1: like he there's you just know, I mean, I think
32:41
Speaker 1: all of the girls in the house would have this
32:42
Speaker 1: have a similar you know response to this, like it
32:45
Speaker 1: was just them too always and you know, yeah we
32:49
Speaker 1: had connections and things and it was you know, but
32:52
Speaker 1: it was never what they had ever like it was
32:54
Speaker 1: just so much higher than all of us that we're
32:57
Speaker 1: just kind of like, well, you know, it wasn't not
33:00
Speaker 1: surprising at all all. I mean I kind of thought
33:03
Speaker 1: that Fuller may end up with him, but still, you
33:06
Speaker 1: guys predicted the top three. I could protected the top
33:09
Speaker 1: three literally week three. Yeah, okay, that's amazing. Sidney, you
33:14
Speaker 1: were talking about how you guys had that connection about
33:17
Speaker 1: being from Alabama, and it sounds as if you guys
33:20
Speaker 1: have hung out since the filming has ended. I don't
33:25
Speaker 1: want you to tell me what the ending is, but
33:27
Speaker 1: I'm closing my eyes. Do you know the ending? Or
33:31
Speaker 1: is what Chris Harrison saying by like Peter is gonna
33:34
Speaker 1: like it's really really ending live tonight? Yes, yes, and yes,
33:39
Speaker 1: yes and yes to both of those. Yes, Um, what
33:42
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison saying. I totally believe that, as well as
33:45
Speaker 1: like just things that me and Maddie have shared since
33:48
Speaker 1: you know, filming, I yes and yes. Okay, So basically
33:53
Speaker 1: you know what the status was throughout the quote off season,
33:58
Speaker 1: and you know that like a final decision might be
34:00
Speaker 1: made tonight from the Live show. Yeah, I don't think
34:04
Speaker 1: that I'm saying anything that wasn't given in that teaser
34:09
Speaker 1: and what Chris Harrison wrapped that episode, he was like,
34:13
Speaker 1: we're all going to find out what happens tomorrow night
34:16
Speaker 1: Live on this so should we should we speculate right now?
34:21
Speaker 1: I mean should maybe maybe Sydney should stay out of it.
34:24
Speaker 1: I'll stay out of it, okay, I mean yeah, I
34:27
Speaker 1: haven't really asked Maddie a lot, like we've texted and everything,
34:30
Speaker 1: but I just I didn't want to ask her because
34:32
Speaker 1: I don't want her to feel pressure to like tell
34:34
Speaker 1: me anything. Um. But I mean, I really hope they
34:38
Speaker 1: end up together, just because like that love is so
34:41
Speaker 1: strong clearly, and I just love Maddie as a person
34:44
Speaker 1: so out there together so quick recap you guys, I
34:48
Speaker 1: mean you all saw it. But Maddie goes on her
34:51
Speaker 1: one on one with him after the family visit and
34:54
Speaker 1: she says, like, you know, we're just not compatible, Like
34:57
Speaker 1: I want this to work so much. She has so
34:58
Speaker 1: many great lines. Hold on, let me let me read this.
35:01
Speaker 1: She says, ken love conquer all. Being a warrior and
35:04
Speaker 1: a good fighter means knowing when to surrender, and she
35:07
Speaker 1: said it's time to surrender. She goes, I still feel
35:10
Speaker 1: like love does conquer all because me leaving helps you, Peter,
35:15
Speaker 1: come find what you came here for. So um, she
35:19
Speaker 1: says that everything changed that night. They have different faith,
35:22
Speaker 1: different marriage ideals, different lifestyle. Um, and she just started
35:27
Speaker 1: thinking ever since that one night where you know, he
35:30
Speaker 1: came to her saying that he had been intimate with
35:33
Speaker 1: the other two, that everything kind of changed and all
35:37
Speaker 1: this she got all this clarity. So she leaves, but
35:40
Speaker 1: we see that she comes back. Savannah. Do you think
35:45
Speaker 1: that she comes back during the proper season, so before
35:50
Speaker 1: that final row ceremony, or do you think that she
35:52
Speaker 1: comes back to him after the show has rapped. I
35:57
Speaker 1: feel like it's probably after the show is wrapped, just
36:00
Speaker 1: because Maddie, I don't know, I don't see her. She
36:04
Speaker 1: seems very selfless in those moments, you know, trying to
36:07
Speaker 1: let him, you know, do what's best for him. And
36:10
Speaker 1: so hopefully it's after this season and she can really
36:13
Speaker 1: because I know that, like when you when everything is wrapped,
36:17
Speaker 1: you just kind of get this clarity. It's and maybe
36:20
Speaker 1: she got that. And I do think that Peter sees
36:24
Speaker 1: in her, you know, I think he wants to be
36:28
Speaker 1: better for her, and I think that like she wants
36:30
Speaker 1: somebody that will grow with her and her faith, and
36:34
Speaker 1: you know, I think he wants to grow in his
36:35
Speaker 1: faith too and everything. I have a question though, let's
36:38
Speaker 1: say let's say that it is Maddie in the end,
36:42
Speaker 1: what is going to happen when he asked to like
36:44
Speaker 1: bring her home to Barb Like, Maddie, now you know
36:48
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, how do you sit there? Like
36:50
Speaker 1: we see this scene in the teaser where it looks
36:54
Speaker 1: like they're sitting at home or they're sitting in a
36:56
Speaker 1: suite that isn't there the sweet that they were in
36:58
Speaker 1: for the past couple of scenes, And then they're all
37:01
Speaker 1: waiting for Peter to walk in the door with someone.
37:03
Speaker 1: And then it looks like Barb has another breakdown. And
37:06
Speaker 1: it freaks me out that it's because like he walks
37:08
Speaker 1: in with Maddie. Imagine this conversation that's I know's gonna
37:14
Speaker 1: be okay. But here's the thing, guys, Chris Harrison has
37:19
Speaker 1: to sit down with with Peter and says, you are
37:23
Speaker 1: you gonna be able to continue with this? Like are
37:25
Speaker 1: you too broke heartbroken to continue? I think like Harrison's like,
37:28
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to pick Maddie, so are you
37:30
Speaker 1: going to pick Hannah? And by default now so now,
37:34
Speaker 1: I mean I wrote here in my notes so that
37:37
Speaker 1: sorry Peter, that he would be an ultimate dumbass if
37:41
Speaker 1: he goes and proposes to Hannah. And this episode clearly
37:45
Speaker 1: portrays that Madison was his number one pick and that
37:49
Speaker 1: that Hannah and will be his second pick. And you
37:52
Speaker 1: cannot propose to a woman who's going to eventually see this,
37:56
Speaker 1: you know, I imagine like what she's feeling watching this
37:59
Speaker 1: back and seeing the conversation that Maddie and Peter had
38:02
Speaker 1: right before they walked in to meet Peter's parents, where
38:04
Speaker 1: he was just like, let's fix this, whatever we have
38:07
Speaker 1: to do, and I'm like, but you're saying this, and
38:10
Speaker 1: there's another whole, another human on the other side of this.
38:12
Speaker 1: And then Maddie leaves and he has his date with Hannah,
38:15
Speaker 1: and it's like, does he even like, are we just
38:18
Speaker 1: going to hang out? And you know, I don't get it.
38:20
Speaker 1: Seems a little last ditch effort. You guys, do you
38:25
Speaker 1: think that he should have told Hannah Ann that Maddie
38:28
Speaker 1: had left. I think it was a great decision that
38:30
Speaker 1: he did not tell her, because I think by him
38:32
Speaker 1: telling her, she'd be like, oh, okay, so now like
38:37
Speaker 1: I'm your only option? So am I your default? Girl? Like,
38:40
Speaker 1: is this confirmation that like I'll always ponder, yes, if
38:44
Speaker 1: I'm your your fallback. It was at Hannah Ann's best
38:47
Speaker 1: entrance that he did not tell her for sure, because
38:49
Speaker 1: she was already so emotional, so in her head in
38:51
Speaker 1: that moment at the you know, they at nighttime. So yeah,
38:55
Speaker 1: I think that would have been just a spiral if
38:57
Speaker 1: he would have done that. But also it's like, is
39:01
Speaker 1: lying I consider that lying? You know. I feel like
39:04
Speaker 1: if I were to watch it back and I was
39:05
Speaker 1: in Hannah and shoes, I would have And if she
39:09
Speaker 1: does end up engage with him and there together, now
39:12
Speaker 1: I would be so angry. I would be mortified. If
39:15
Speaker 1: I was like in that moment, I was like, I
39:16
Speaker 1: look so like I just looks, you know, it looks bad.
39:20
Speaker 1: Like she's sitting there like pouring her heart out to
39:22
Speaker 1: him and he's literally you know, Madison's gone, and he's
39:26
Speaker 1: like he doesn't even she still doesn't know what to do,
39:28
Speaker 1: and it's just like she's so you know, there for him,
39:30
Speaker 1: and it's it's tough. She's Yeah, it's just the way
39:34
Speaker 1: that he was like making it very clear that he
39:37
Speaker 1: was in love with Maddie. Oh. Absolutely, I wouldn't be
39:39
Speaker 1: able to if I had an engagement with him. I
39:42
Speaker 1: would not be able to move forward with that if
39:44
Speaker 1: I was handing in. So he does tell hannah And
39:46
Speaker 1: during the nighttime portion of the date, well, actually, she says,
39:49
Speaker 1: don't do anything besides choosing me for me and who
39:53
Speaker 1: I am. I feel in this moment, she knows that
39:55
Speaker 1: it's not her. Um, I think this is like almost
39:58
Speaker 1: her partial goodbye. She goes, it's not It's not what
40:02
Speaker 1: I want to hear, because he says I'm in love
40:04
Speaker 1: with I'm very torn. He says, I'm very torn. My
40:07
Speaker 1: heart's in two places, and she goes, that's not what
40:09
Speaker 1: I want to hear. Um. It seems like she's saying,
40:13
Speaker 1: I'm all in, but I know you're half in, and
40:15
Speaker 1: I don't think that I can do this, And I
40:18
Speaker 1: have a I have a theory, you guys, this was
40:21
Speaker 1: a little bit more far fetch. What if Madison and
40:23
Speaker 1: what if hannah An feels like she's so second place
40:26
Speaker 1: that she just drops out of the race before it
40:29
Speaker 1: all and then he's left with no one I think
40:32
Speaker 1: of that. Yes, I hope she happen. Literally, I feel
40:37
Speaker 1: like that that's what happened. So because yeah, we have
40:40
Speaker 1: to think about what Harrison comes up says, because if
40:44
Speaker 1: he's coming up to him at that podium, which I
40:47
Speaker 1: still I can't believe that Peter would even say Hannah
40:50
Speaker 1: and have my final rose at this point, like that's
40:52
Speaker 1: that's so wrong in general. But let's just pretend that
40:55
Speaker 1: that's what he's planning. Then Harrison comes up and goes
40:59
Speaker 1: so we all just found this out, Hannah, and it's
41:02
Speaker 1: also and that would be absolutely revolutionary because I don't
41:07
Speaker 1: think that that's ever happened on this show, and they
41:09
Speaker 1: keep saying that the finale of this is something that's
41:11
Speaker 1: ever happened. If he ends up like flip flopping, like
41:14
Speaker 1: he ends up getting back with Madison, we've we've seen
41:17
Speaker 1: that before twice, but we haven't necessarily seen it in
41:21
Speaker 1: the way that the girl comes back after the guy
41:22
Speaker 1: instead of the guy breaking up with a fiance and
41:25
Speaker 1: then going after the girl. So that would be unique.
41:27
Speaker 1: So it could still be that, but holy damn man,
41:31
Speaker 1: if if he's left with no one at that altar,
41:34
Speaker 1: how could it be anything else though, like the because
41:37
Speaker 1: like it could have been if we didn't see last night,
41:39
Speaker 1: it could have been Chris telling Peter that Maddie had left.
41:42
Speaker 1: But that's already happened, So what could be that big?
41:46
Speaker 1: It's got to be that she leaves because she felt,
41:48
Speaker 1: you know, the way she was expecting to him the
41:50
Speaker 1: night before, Like I yes, and you could tell she
41:53
Speaker 1: just felt so defeated. So I I honestly do think
41:55
Speaker 1: she leaves, even the way she like closes door and
41:57
Speaker 1: said goodbye, She's like by now yeah, Like, I mean,
42:02
Speaker 1: we all feel for Peter because clearly he's going through
42:05
Speaker 1: a lot, but like I also feel for Hannah and
42:07
Speaker 1: and I would be like, this is just a wild situation. Wild.
42:13
Speaker 1: I should also add that I think Maddie's hair looks
42:16
Speaker 1: different in that super tease, and I think that that
42:19
Speaker 1: is simple that when she comes back for him, it's
42:23
Speaker 1: after the fact. You know, she's not coming back to Australia.
42:27
Speaker 1: I think it's been a while because every girl comes
42:29
Speaker 1: back to the show looking a little bit different. On
42:31
Speaker 1: women there, um any other things, Yeah, okay, so I
42:36
Speaker 1: think we covered all my big notes, but um, I
42:41
Speaker 1: have one thing I want to backtrack on that conversation
42:44
Speaker 1: that Maddie and Peter have before they go in to
42:47
Speaker 1: have family time. I feel like he insinuates that he
42:51
Speaker 1: slept with the other two girls because she didn't say
42:54
Speaker 1: I love you before Fantasy Suites, and I was like,
42:58
Speaker 1: that's yucky, boy, that is yucky. Yeah, I mean I
43:02
Speaker 1: don't know that. Honestly. When I was watching that moment,
43:05
Speaker 1: I got really emotional because you could feel the love
43:08
Speaker 1: between both of them, and yeah, I just he did
43:14
Speaker 1: that to me to connect. I'm not kidding, but no,
43:22
Speaker 1: they really. I mean like you could just like feel
43:24
Speaker 1: how much he loved her. And but I do agree
43:27
Speaker 1: that's not okay though, Hey, you didn't tell me you
43:29
Speaker 1: loved me, so I decided to go and get physical
43:32
Speaker 1: with two other women. What are you talking about, sir?
43:36
Speaker 1: You're literally like, you risk your relationship with her, like
43:40
Speaker 1: she asked you something, and it would have been an
43:42
Speaker 1: equal playing field. Totally still fine, equal playing field. You
43:46
Speaker 1: could have waited to stick your in someone ten days later,
43:50
Speaker 1: Okay if you had slept with no one and then
43:53
Speaker 1: you basically said like, well, because like I wasn't feeling
43:57
Speaker 1: that you loved me, you are a grown man. Okay,
44:01
Speaker 1: you like, let's not do that. Let's not say oh,
44:04
Speaker 1: because you know, Maddie, you're broken and don't know you're
44:07
Speaker 1: you're at this level and you didn't tell me you
44:09
Speaker 1: loved me. That gives me a reason to go sleep
44:12
Speaker 1: with two other women. Like, no, sir, that is not
44:15
Speaker 1: I didn't know your feelings for me. I was like
44:17
Speaker 1: just confused exactly how I felt. You know that she's
44:21
Speaker 1: traditional enough that she probably just didn't want to say
44:24
Speaker 1: I love you until it was just the two of you,
44:26
Speaker 1: so she said. But she was like, I you know,
44:28
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that you were not torn at
44:31
Speaker 1: this point when you're on the other side of this.
44:33
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I totally get I totally get it.
44:34
Speaker 1: Peter like, what do you mean? I do feel like
44:37
Speaker 1: he just I felt like he was kind of justifying it,
44:40
Speaker 1: like he to fully explore those relationships he had to sleep.
44:45
Speaker 1: Peter just wanted to get down. Let's be real. Peter like,
44:49
Speaker 1: come on, okay, well, do you feel like having sex
44:53
Speaker 1: with somebody before marriage is going to tell you something
44:56
Speaker 1: that you need to know before marriage or do you
44:57
Speaker 1: can you do you think you can physically tell your
45:00
Speaker 1: chemistery before that, like you can tell your physical chistory
45:04
Speaker 1: and how it's going to be in bed based on
45:07
Speaker 1: everything else. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I don't. You don't have
45:11
Speaker 1: to test the waters like it's not you know what
45:13
Speaker 1: I mean. No, I don't send me like I don't
45:17
Speaker 1: think that that really defines a relationship. I think that
45:20
Speaker 1: you how you feel about each other is defining. It
45:23
Speaker 1: defines a relation, and it just makes it so much
45:26
Speaker 1: pure when it is. You know, I'm not saying that
45:28
Speaker 1: you have to wait until marriage, but I'm saying like
45:30
Speaker 1: this because the fantasy suite's come, does not mean that
45:33
Speaker 1: that has to happen. And also like doesn't make it
45:36
Speaker 1: anymore pure or not pure if you choose to do
45:39
Speaker 1: so or not. You know, it's just like, no, So
45:44
Speaker 1: he didn't need to use that week as testing the water.
45:48
Speaker 1: He literally could like you end up together, you get engaged,
45:53
Speaker 1: take it from there. I think he's just take it
45:55
Speaker 1: from there. That's just my opinion because I feel like
45:58
Speaker 1: every time somebody I think I told said this a
46:02
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. But like Nick viall Was has
46:04
Speaker 1: been very open about the fact that he only slept
46:07
Speaker 1: with Vanessa in the fantasy suite because he knew that
46:10
Speaker 1: if he slept with the other two girls that it
46:11
Speaker 1: would become a conflict outside the show with the person
46:14
Speaker 1: that he chose. And I really think that that's the
46:17
Speaker 1: way you gotta do it. No, I agree, I think
46:20
Speaker 1: he should have had a little more guidance. I think
46:22
Speaker 1: I think Nick, not even Nick, just like any of
46:26
Speaker 1: the guys, like, you know, I mean, I'm sure he
46:28
Speaker 1: had that guidance, but you know, we didn't see that
46:31
Speaker 1: that every season. I feel like some of the old
46:34
Speaker 1: Bachelor's like, we'll come back and talk, and I don't know.
46:37
Speaker 1: I think that he made a mistake obviously, But I
46:41
Speaker 1: think we have to say, isn't it funny that Ben
46:45
Speaker 1: got so much controversy saying I love you to two girls,
46:50
Speaker 1: and now here's Peter be like, I love you, I
46:51
Speaker 1: love you, I love you, and like and then also, yeah,
46:55
Speaker 1: all the things, all the things, all right, before we go,
47:00
Speaker 1: let's go down the line and say our final predictions. Beforehand,
47:04
Speaker 1: I said it was far fetched for for hannah And
47:07
Speaker 1: to be leaving, But you know what, now, I'm convinced
47:09
Speaker 1: I believe that hannah And leaves before the final Rose ceremony.
47:13
Speaker 1: That's why Chris Harrison comes up to the podium. That's
47:16
Speaker 1: why Um, that's why Peter seems like he's having a
47:19
Speaker 1: mental breakdown in his his hotel room. And and then
47:23
Speaker 1: I think Maddie comes back to Peter at some point
47:27
Speaker 1: after he leaves the season alone. All right, that's that's
47:32
Speaker 1: my prediction. Go ahead, Tonah, I think the exact same thing.
47:35
Speaker 1: I think that Um Hannah and finally realizes that he's
47:39
Speaker 1: in love with Maddie and leaves Um. And yeah, I
47:44
Speaker 1: do think that Maddie. I think that they're probably together.
47:47
Speaker 1: I think Maddie comes back, and I do think that
47:50
Speaker 1: they're probably together. Now it's probably gonna be a rocky ride,
47:54
Speaker 1: you know, especially Maddie like seeing everything back and just
47:56
Speaker 1: like reliving all of it. But hopefully they're together. Maddie
48:00
Speaker 1: probably comes back because she knows he's not with Hannah.
48:03
Speaker 1: And I don't think Maddie is the kind of girl
48:05
Speaker 1: that's going to try to get in the middle of
48:07
Speaker 1: another relationship. She's not going to ruin that for him,
48:10
Speaker 1: especially after that whole surrender warrior. I want you to
48:13
Speaker 1: come and find what you came here to find. No,
48:16
Speaker 1: I agree with both of you, guys. I think in
48:18
Speaker 1: that moment we see you know that Peter's breakdown is
48:22
Speaker 1: when Hannah Anne leaves, and then I think that other
48:25
Speaker 1: teaser when he's having to say I'm so so sorry
48:27
Speaker 1: to someone like I'm from the bottom of heart, I'm
48:29
Speaker 1: so sorry. It's him apologizing to Hannah and for like
48:32
Speaker 1: not being able to like, you know, go through. And
48:35
Speaker 1: then after Maddie finds out that they're not together, Maddie's
48:39
Speaker 1: going to get her man, Maddie, so get him, girl.
48:43
Speaker 1: I hope that's all. Yeah, all right, Well you guys,
48:45
Speaker 1: you've been in de light and you've given us a
48:47
Speaker 1: lot of insight into Hannah and and Maddie. Thank you
48:50
Speaker 1: so much for being here having him. Thank you. Okay,
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