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Bridgerton S3 with Chloe White · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Hey costume nerds, it's me, Spencer Williams, Co host and
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  producer of The Art of Costume Podcast.
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  Con schedule online and I can't wait to see you there.
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  I was like, that's your first clue that she, she can't end up
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  with anyone besides Colin because she is like, oh, your
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  clothes. And he was like, Oh, yeah, it's
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  like the latest fashion in Paris.
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  Yeah, she said. Paint me like one of your French
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  girls, babe. Like.
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  Yeah, and Modi said. I got you.
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  Colin was playing chess, but she was playing checkers.
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  Hello, welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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  I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm the Viscount, Spencer
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  Williams. Hey, Elizabeth.
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  Hello. You're a Viscount now.
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  I thought you were a Lord. I know, but you keep telling me.
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  Viscount sounds cooler though. I don't even know what that
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  means or how you get one of those What certificate program I
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  need to take, but that's a cool word.
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  Elizabeth. We have a drama filled episode
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  today as we are getting into one of our seasonal favorite
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  subjects and I think we're gonna need to bring in a little help
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  for this episode. So we went about the ton, looked
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  for our most gossipy friends, and then we're like, who else to
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  bring back? Then our returning guest, one of
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  our bestest friends, Lady Chloe White.
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  Chloe, welcome back to the podcast.
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  Welcome. Thank you for having me.
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  Man, we missed you. Yeah, missed you guys too.
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  I mean, I talk to you all the time, but missed being on the
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  pod, really. Two big hitters.
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  The last time we had Chloe on was actually the Twilight
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  podcast, right? Yeah, it was.
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  Which is like. A a good one, yeah.
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  It's a it's a hot mess and I love it for it.
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  I have a lot to say about Bridgerton so.
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  I we thought so, which is why we went directly to you.
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  I mean, you're the closest thing I know to Lady Whistle down in
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  real life so. Thank you.
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  I mean, you literally came to us with a breaking development in
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  the world, so. Oh yeah, why?
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  Why don't you speak to that first before we get into all of
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  our drama? What's going on in the Lady
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  Chloe, whistle down. What's going on in the world
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  right now? What's going on in the world as
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  we speak? Taylor Swift has just brought
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  out Travis Kelsey onto the stage in full costume to do a
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  performance. OK.
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  Where are they located right now?
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  They're in London, England, Oh. Perfect for today's episode.
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  That's what I'm saying. They're at Wembley, so it's
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  really just on theme. The rain is raining outside.
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  The vibes for drinking tea, like vibes are high.
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  Oh man, well, and also we have to wish you a happy birthday as
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  well. I mean, thank.
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  You. Of course, you're the first of
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  us to cross over to the other side, and now Elizabeth and I
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  start following you right after. It's true, yeah, on the other
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  side of of my 20s, but really I just feel like a 15 year old
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  girl so. That's talking about Taylor
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  Swift on a podcast or two friends who have been crying
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  about Bridgerton for two weeks. Listen, we're just baby girls.
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  I don't know what to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Elizabeth, how's it going in the theater costume world?
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  Oh, it's going. It's going.
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  Drinking lots of margaritas and meeting parrot heads and stuff.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, I so I also decided the other theater I was
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  helping a while back, right also asked for some help.
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  Oh. So I've been trying to help
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  there as well. OK, you're just booked in every
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  theater now. It's.
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  Been a lot. It's been a lot.
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  Oh well, good fun. Make sure you give us also
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  updates, share some pictures. Perhaps the woman who owns the
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  fashion store, She's just like outfitting everyone.
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  Oh, right. I am the modist.
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  Yeah, you're the modist. Oh, what a dream job.
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  Yeah. No man, no drama making clothes.
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  You love to see it, Absolutely. She gets so pressed, by the way,
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  when Penelope's like, I think I'm gonna quit.
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  She's like, huh? Right.
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  No, no, no, she. Said girl for a man.
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  Yeah, all. Right, OK, let's all get into
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  Bridgerton season 3. Spencer.
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  Let's let's get into the summary so we can just talk.
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  All right, well, in season three of Bridgerton, focus shifts to
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  Penelope Featherington and Colin Bridgerton's evolving
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  relationship as they navigate their feelings and societal
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  expectations. Penelope struggles with her
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  secret identity as Lady Whistledown while yearning for
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  Colin's affection, leading to a series of misunderstandings and
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  romantic developments. As the story unfolds, new
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  scandals and secrets emerge, complicating the lives of the
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  Bridgerton family and their friends.
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  And that is Bridgerton season three.
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  It's pretty messy. There's a lot of storylines.
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  Yeah, messiest season yet and it shows.
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  In a good way in. A good way, yeah.
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  So let's go behind the costumes. We have series creator Chris Van
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  Dusen and costume designer John Glazer, who you will know from
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  his work on Brotherhood Person of Interest, which he did the
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  first like two seasons I believe he did a episode of Star Crossed
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  and 48 episodes of. And.
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  The past several years, John has been working on every season of
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  Bridgerton as a Co costume designer and was part of the
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  show's season one Emmy nomination.
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  And now, in season three, he's taking the lead.
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  Oh, I love that. I was gonna say he sounded quite
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  familiar. He's like the unsung hero.
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  And now he's center stage. He he is Penelope Featherington
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  and his, you know, coming out era as the as the.
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  Costume designer, absolutely. He's definitely, this is his
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  debut season. There you go.
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  Having he has been officially presented to the Queen and the
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  Tawn in season three. And he spoke about, you know,
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  his time from season one to now, what they're trying to achieve
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  in season three, Saying for the first season, we threw
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  everything but the kitchen sink at it because we had to define
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  the characters very quickly. So it was broad strokes and
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  distinct color palettes For season 2, the costumes were a
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  little bolder in color and more period correct.
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  And this season because of the story we're telling, we thought,
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  let's make it softer. It's more textual and a little
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  more blurry. We have layered fabrics, for
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  instance, we take a warmer color and a cooler color and combine
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  them. So when you're looking at a
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  dress, you're not totally sure if it's blue or green.
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  He also talked it in style, saying this season we actually
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  tried to make it look like a painting or a garden.
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  We use lots of ombre from light to dark, just like flower
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  changing color and this season changing colors.
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  We wanted to make it look like a soft painting, which I love this
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  second quote because I feel like it makes everything he says in
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  the first one make a little bit more sense where I'm like, Oh
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  yeah, this season really was a little.
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  There was so much more like structure and everything and
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  more like artistic liberty that I'm like, yeah, you could say
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  like they're paint like, or like a garden.
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  Yeah, it definitely felt a lot more blurry this season.
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  It wasn't very much like, oh, the Bridgerton's were blue, the
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  Featheringtons were like, I don't know, neon green or
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  whatever. It just felt very much like
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  blurry and that everyone was just I guess yeah, it did feel a
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  bit more period correct and just felt more like a historical
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  representation of like, you know, like you mentioned a a
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  lovely painting. But I do have to say, though, we
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  are. He's understanding it a little
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  bit. There were some big like heavy
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  hitter pieces, though. Oh yeah.
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  That's where I'm like, especially with some of the
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  characters where he's like, it's like a garden.
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  It's like so many women in this season had just like beautiful
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  floral detail and like literal like structures on their
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  clothing that it really worked out.
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  And they made this work out by adding 4500 yards of material to
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  their 7500 plus wardrobe for Bridgeton.
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  That's a lot of clothes. We've we've just continually
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  expanded. I cannot wait to see what they
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  do with this. Like they're gonna open a new
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  costume house when this is done. Basically, yeah, 'cause you
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  think about all the people that are like walking around in the
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  ton and like around the town and like every single one of those
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  people has to be in one of these, like, wild outfits.
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  Like that's crazy. It is so wild and I also love
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  how they've taken it. Each season clearly just altered
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  everything to fit that season's vision.
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  It's so brilliant. Right.
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  I do love that. Yeah.
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  Especially like, like Chloe said, like every episode there's
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  like a ball. This season, it felt like so.
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  And I was just like, gosh, there's so many costumes.
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  I was, I was exhausted, honestly.
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  So I'm excited to get into it because I feel like this is
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  gonna be a great way for us to break down what's happening
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  'cause I don't know about you guys, but I binged the show in
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  about 48 hours, so. Same.
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  Part one feels like a lifetime ago.
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  Yeah. I actually watched part one
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  twice as well. Oh.
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  Same, I went straight from part one into Part 2.
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  I watched it all together. It's kind of a good way to do
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  it. It was accidental, but it worked
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  out. Yeah, let's get into it.
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  Let's take a little break and talk about some costumes and all
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  the hot juicy tea. Oh yes.
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  If tea could be juicy, I don't know.
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  Yeah, time. We'll take a break and then
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  we'll get to alerting the tongue.
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  I think we should start with someone very bold in their
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  costuming and wiggatry, the wiggatry of it all is insane.
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  The. Queen, My new favorite word.
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  Yeah, the queen was on something this season.
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  I mean, she had a small world after all going on in her in her
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  head and her costumes this season.
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  Quite literally. Oh, yeah.
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  And this, I love this wig. And it was like, it was really
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  the first thing. I feel like that, like, caught
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  people's attention 'cause it was heavily featured in their
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  promotions for the third season. And it was created by Emma Rigby
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  under the supervision of Erika Ovist, who's the haired stylist
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  for Bridgerton. And Erica talked about this wig,
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  this swan glass swan wig. Just when I saw it actually in
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  the show, I was like, this is insane.
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  This is I. Feel like I didn't even process
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  seeing that. I'm.
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  Seeing it now being like holy shit like.
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  Yeah, I was looking for it 'cause I'd seen it in the promos
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  and I was like, what? What is happening?
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  Here during like a tense moment too, and I totally like left
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  whatever was happening just to stare at her wig.
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  I was like, you guys figure it out.
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  I'm gonna look at look at that swan.
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  It is captivating and Erica talked to Shondaland a little
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  bit about creating it. She said I wanted to have a
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  little carousel with glass Swans swimming around.
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  Clockwork obviously has been around since the 1200s so it was
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  perfectly appropriate. Instead of a wind up mechanism,
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  I fashioned together a little motor and Golda has a little
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  switch under her arm. The most difficult thing was to
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  make the clockwork so quiet that a sound person wasn't going to
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  be angry with me. I was like, oh, she was worried
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  about her, Daniel I. Was gonna say sounds like my
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  husband. Daniel would hate this.
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  Don't mess up the recording. Well, it is really cool.
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  And I mean, I thought the Queen's costumes, as always,
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  were some of the best. I mean, at the, I mean, we just
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  watched Queen Charlotte the other series.
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  So now we're all like even bigger fans of her.
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  And she just, like, walks into this room is so captivating.
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  And she just loves drama, you know, She loves seeking it out
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  drama. She's so excited about trying to
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  catch lady whistle down. And she just always looks
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  incredible. Maybe in case she does catch the
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  lady Whistle down, she doesn't want to be caught dead, you
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  know? So yeah.
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  I don't think she wants to be caught dead in a bad outfit
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  anytime. No, even her loungewear like her
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  like gold, blue and like red robe that she wears just like
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  lounging at home with still like a fabulous wig on.
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  I'm like, she's clearly ready to pass but like look still
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  presentable at any moment. Like the swan wig was like her
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  PJ look, you know? Yeah, That's what she wears at
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  Trader Joe's or the LAX terminal.
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  I think my favorite one is the the pink, the pink one.
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  That's the one that really stood out to me when I was watching
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  the show, 'cause that's when she, that's from the wedding,
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  right? When she first of all, girl, I
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  just have to say, not her trying to track Lady Whistle down at
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  Colin and Penelope's wedding. I said, this is right.
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  I said this is not the time, can you, can anyone let this girl
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  have one fucking moment of peace like.
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  It was so uncalled for her. I know I because I've always
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  liked the Queen, but in that moment I was like, do you need
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  to talk to somebody? Like, are you OK?
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  This is like a little unhinged even for the.
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  Queen, Yeah. If I was Penelope, I would have
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  said in in the nicest of ways, my lady, can you kindly get out
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  of my wedding? I'm trying to dance with my new
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  husband, who I've been obsessed with for approximately 13 years.
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  So. Since we were in the pandemic,
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  watching these two make flirty eyes at each other, like can we
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  have a moment of peace? Oh man.
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  But she did slay with that look. She did.
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  And the the the hair on that one is chef's kiss.
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  Oh yeah, I also loved her her ball gown for the final scene
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  when when spoiler. If you have not watched this
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  season, which I don't know why you're listening to this if you
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  haven't watched season 3 yet, but when Penelope's revealing
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  herself that gown, it looks like a waterfall to me and I love it.
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  As soon as I saw her walk in I was like yes you are the queen.
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  The flower detail which I like that perfectly fits in like it
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  all fits in with what the like paint garden look he was going
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  for and I love it. Right.
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  It was beautiful. I love the colors.
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  I love the contrasting like purple and kind of like coral
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  against that blue. It almost looks like a Monet
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  painting. That's what it looks like that.
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  Makes sense, yeah. The tones of that scene are all
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  those like jewel tone, kind of like colors too.
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  I feel like, like the flowers and you know, the butterflies
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  and all that, like it all just goes very well together.
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  Absolutely. What also goes together quite
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  well this season is the Mondrich family becoming part of the tan.
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  I personally love this storyline.
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  Yeah, they were so lovely. I love seeing these two
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  together. I've said that you had to get
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  rid of the bar, but I mean, you know, it is what it is, I guess.
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  Just be rich bro. Yeah, I mean, there's worse
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  things that could happen. There's worse things.
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  I didn't understand why he couldn't like, still own it but
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  just have somebody else run it. I was like, you have to sell it.
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  Like, that didn't make sense to me.
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  But I was like, OK, whatever. If it makes his wife happy,
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  'cause I, I love Alice Mondrich, she 'cause she always stands by
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  her man. But I feel like in this season,
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  she was really like taking the life she wanted for herself now
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  that they have like, the money to do so.
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  And John talked to Essence a little bit about Missus
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  Mondrich's wardrobe. He said she embraces her new
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  situation and her clothing becomes more elegant and more
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  sophisticated. And you'll see that evolve.
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  She also doesn't want to show off.
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  She doesn't want to want to be gaudy.
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  She doesn't want to be out of place.
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  But she has a lot of taste and you'll see that.
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  I was like, absolutely. Especially for this beautiful
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  gold and red gown, which he also talked to Essence about, saying
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  that look is really pivotal because it's the one time that
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  we know the camera will shoot from floor to ceiling.
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  And again, it was an opportunity.
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  This is the first time she's out in society.
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  I said this before, it's a time when a costume designer could
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  have done something flamboyant over the top, that the audience
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  would see the dress, but they wouldn't see the character.
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  It would hinder the scene. And I feel that dress sets the
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  tone for the rest of Alice's wardrobe that we see.
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  We also used a color that was very complimentary to her skin.
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  So the costume, the actor and the character kind of blend
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  together. Yeah, I love that.
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  I like that too, because she starts off when they get this
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  money, very kind of practical and like, well, all of these old
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  lady dresses exist. I'll just, I'll wear these,
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  which I'm like, girl, you could have like changed them up a
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  little bit more than you did. But deciding to change her
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  wardrobe altogether was a good call.
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  Yeah. I mean, I think she was just
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  trying to go along with what she thought was expected of her,
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  right? It's just like, well, this is
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  what this lady of this house had and wore.
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  So I don't want to shake things up and, like, be the center of
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  attention. But I think she figured out a
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  way to do it that is not, like, so bold and crazy.
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  It's just very her and, you know, much more modern.
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  And I think like, especially as we were just talking about the
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  Queen, we have to remember like, this is the Queen's game.
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  And if she walked in with like, you know, a Flamingo on her head
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  spinning around, the queen would have absolutely freaked out.
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  So he really got to ease yourself into like this swimming
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  pool of, of messiness, you know? Which I think that is absolutely
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  what she does, cause her the look she has at her and Mr.
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  Mondrich's ball, which was so much fun.
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  I think that was my favorite of this season.
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  It's this beautiful like metallic with a floral design up
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  the front and it's just like, it's understated, but the
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  metallic like really makes her pop and her be the center of
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  attention. It was she was able to get the
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  job done without doing too much 'cause she's just also
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  effortlessly beautiful. Emma Naomi is so oof.
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  That was a good character. I'm glad that they're getting
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  more time. Me too, me too, a couple that
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  didn't get enough time. Never enough time for them.
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  No, no, Kate and Anthony, I wanted more of them.
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  I wanna know about the two. Of you.
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  This is when I wish we could have our air conditioner on
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  while recording 'cause it's getting hot.
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  Oh man, I still am a big Kate fan.
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  I mean, she's just Simone. Ashley's just so stunning.
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  And they started this season pretty hot and heavy.
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  Like almost immediately. It was totally uncalled for,
• 23:43
  actually. Out of pocket.
• 23:50
  Sure, it wasn't what we none of us were waiting for that at all.
• 23:54
  I was girl and quite frankly, I could have used more.
• 24:02
  Yeah, they didn't get enough time.
• 24:03
  I I wish that Bridget two would be like.
• 24:06
  I know that they're not like the hot new thing this season, but
• 24:09
  we really, really like these characters.
• 24:11
  They're. Always hot and new to us.
• 24:13
  Yeah. Yes, and Oh my gosh, if they
• 24:18
  don't show them next season, like being cute and adorable and
• 24:23
  amazing with their new baby over in India, I'm gonna be so mad.
• 24:28
  I'm so worried they've like I think I read.
• 24:32
  Something that said that they didn't, that they definitely
• 24:35
  aren't gonna be out of the story.
• 24:38
  They better not Shonda Rhimes, I know you listen to this podcast
• 24:41
  very regularly. Please don't do that to us.
• 24:46
  Please Please. We we need Kate and Anthony
• 24:51
  especially with Kate developing her style some more as John
• 24:58
  talked about to Vogue saying there were subtle Indian
• 25:03
  references in season 2, but we were much more blatant about it
• 25:06
  this time. Her sleaze and the cut of her
• 25:10
  dresses are much more influenced by saris in the new way they
• 25:15
  flow at the back and the colors. We went for earth tones, more
• 25:21
  natural colors and colors of spice.
• 25:24
  And in the second-half of the season, she becomes even more
• 25:28
  obviously influenced by Indian fashion, which I loved like,
• 25:35
  'cause she seems comfortable. I thought like in Season 2, she
• 25:39
  was like trying to fit in with the town, with English society.
• 25:44
  And now she's like, I'm Avi Countess.
• 25:46
  Now I can just be myself and look how I want to look and be
• 25:51
  who I am. Yeah, she got the job done so.
• 25:54
  Yeah, she absolutely did and now she is just being herself and I
• 25:59
  love that it reflects in her wardrobe.
• 26:01
  She found somebody that could match her freak and they're just
• 26:04
  living their best life together. We actually got a Instagram
• 26:09
  message on our channel from Swinburne and Tabitha, and they
• 26:13
  want to know each of our thoughts on what we thought of
• 26:15
  Kate's costumes, the season, which I think we've already got
• 26:18
  into. But I love Kate's sorry look,
• 26:21
  especially like the deep, like Bridgerton blue when she's kind
• 26:25
  of like event planning, You know, she's the vicountess now.
• 26:30
  She's in her event planner era. She looks great.
• 26:34
  And I love the clash of the gold and the dark blue.
• 26:37
  I just she looks amazing. It's so beautiful.
• 26:40
  I, I really love that one too. I wanted to see more like that
• 26:44
  and maybe next season will get more gowns for her like that.
• 26:49
  I also loved the like or like burnt orangy like cloak dress
• 26:57
  that she has like I thought that was gorgeous on her.
• 27:02
  Yeah, I think that's like one of one of the best looks for her.
• 27:07
  It's like, so different from how she was dressed in Season 2.
• 27:11
  I feel like she was wearing a lot of those necklines.
• 27:14
  You guys probably know this better than me, but basically
• 27:18
  the neckline everyone wears in Bridgerton, which is, yeah, you
• 27:21
  know, tits out. I don't know how else to
• 27:27
  describe it. No, you got it.
• 27:29
  That's that's a scientific term. Yeah.
• 27:32
  I mean. Politically correct term.
• 27:35
  But it's just like, yeah, these these outfits she's wearing in
• 27:39
  this season were just like so much more her.
• 27:42
  And I love that. Well, I also felt like Kate was
• 27:45
  being like a role model to her sister in Season 2.
• 27:48
  So they were doing everything by the book and now, you know,
• 27:51
  just, you know, there's nothing holding them back.
• 27:53
  So Kate really got to just be herself.
• 27:55
  I also would like to mention I could have used Kate's sister in
• 27:58
  this season, but that's neither here nor there.
• 28:01
  Edwina, we miss you. I know I liked Edwina.
• 28:05
  So ready for Edwina to be in this season.
• 28:08
  I was also really ready for the queen to bring back the Prince
• 28:12
  from season one and for him and Edwina to connect and have a
• 28:18
  little love. Story Elizabeth was doing
• 28:21
  conspiracy theory work. Yeah.
• 28:23
  That's fully what I thought was going to happen because at the
• 28:27
  end of Season 2, she mentioned something about like a nephew of
• 28:30
  hers. And I was like, Oh my.
• 28:31
  Gosh, yeah, she did. And Lena?
• 28:32
  'S going to marry the Prince, he's going to come back.
• 28:35
  And I was like, I was like, I'll bet Season 2 we'll start with
• 28:38
  like their wedding or something. Yeah, we got nothing.
• 28:41
  I had my hand out like please. She's off on the continent
• 28:44
  finding a man Apparently I. Mean girl, they already had 60,
• 28:47
  25 marriage storylines this season, So they said sorry, we
• 28:52
  got to draw the lines, sorry. But no, that's so true.
• 28:58
  There was so much. I was like, please, let's not
• 29:00
  burn through all the children by the end of the season.
• 29:04
  Oh, man. Hey, costume nerds, this is
• 29:09
  Spencer from the Future here with an editor's note.
• 29:12
  This next section of the podcast is about Francesca Bridgerton.
• 29:16
  For some reason, during recording, I mix up her name
• 29:19
  with Hyacinth, and that snowballs into a chain of events
• 29:22
  in which we refer to Francesca as Hyacinth.
• 29:25
  So as you continue to listen, just know every reference to
• 29:29
  Hyacinth is actually about Francesca.
• 29:31
  Now that I've confused you, thanks for listening and
• 29:34
  continue on with the show. Oh, Speaking of burning through
• 29:39
  the children. Hyacinth No.
• 29:45
  We got hyacinth. Oh man, yeah, too bad.
• 29:51
  I would have liked her to have like her own season.
• 29:53
  I wish they all to have to share this season.
• 29:57
  Yeah. I know I definitely I would have
• 30:02
  liked her to still come out this season but like can we just get
• 30:05
  to know Hyacinth before she's paired off?
• 30:10
  Like I don't know. I also feel like if they hadn't
• 30:13
  married her off this season it would have been more of a
• 30:15
  learning experience for the Dowager Vai Countess because she
• 30:19
  still is a terrible parent in my view.
• 30:23
  But. Damn shots fired.
• 30:25
  Not this again. We have had two years for you to
• 30:29
  sort this out, Elizabeth. I will not.
• 30:32
  I will not have it. She's literally learned nothing.
• 30:35
  She's like Eloise. I understand, I understand I
• 30:39
  didn't do the right thing last season by pushing all these men
• 30:42
  on you. Therefore I'm just gonna ignore
• 30:45
  you. I'm just gonna ignore you and
• 30:49
  try to do to your sister the same exact thing I did to you
• 30:53
  last season. I.
• 30:54
  Totally trauma blocked your hate toward Lady Bridgeton and you
• 30:57
  just unlocked it just now. I yeah, I'm very happy with who
• 31:05
  Hyacinth ended up with, but. Well, I don't know that Hyacinth
• 31:09
  is happy that she ended up with him.
• 31:12
  I think she is. I mean she thought until they
• 31:15
  said happy pride. She had her gay awakening at the
• 31:17
  end of the show. I I don't think so.
• 31:21
  I think that's going to be for Eloise next season.
• 31:24
  I don't know. I don't think so.
• 31:25
  Girl, let me just say Chloe and I had our gay darts going off
• 31:31
  and something wasn't listen if. There's one thing about me, I
• 31:35
  love a gay spirit. See so.
• 31:41
  I'll didn't say. You're not getting that by me.
• 31:46
  Maybe you're right, I have seen this theory around, but I don't
• 31:53
  know. I mean, here's the thing, this
• 31:55
  is gonna go to Eloise. You think so?
• 31:57
  Yes. Did you see how?
• 31:59
  Excited Eloise was to meet the sister.
• 32:03
  I don't, but I just feel like I she all, she was like with that
• 32:07
  other guy in the other season. I mean, honestly, her and
• 32:11
  Cressida, they're giving couple, but I don't know.
• 32:16
  I I get wait, Elizabeth, that was my first take, but then when
• 32:19
  I actually like kind of like went back, rewatched it.
• 32:22
  I don't know, I'm just saying Hyacinth just looked really
• 32:24
  thrilled and kind of took in the back when she met this.
• 32:28
  Are they gonna turn a bridge rich in though into an
• 32:31
  adulteress? Oh, I'm not saying she's gonna
• 32:33
  act on it. No.
• 32:36
  But like in the Are they going to make a Bridgerton ever be
• 32:41
  unfaithful in any way, shape or form to their partner?
• 32:45
  I mean, didn't Anthony already kind of like have that whole
• 32:50
  situation at the end of season one?
• 32:52
  Yeah. But they weren't.
• 32:53
  They weren't married, though. I.
• 32:54
  Don't know, just all these Bridgertons are not exactly like
• 32:58
  outstanding citizens either. Yeah, I'm like, Benedict has to
• 33:02
  have a little baby running around there somewhere.
• 33:06
  Absolutely. I think Anthony might too.
• 33:08
  He's here, there and everywhere. Colin was getting it in quite a
• 33:12
  bit in this season, Yeah, up until like the next day when he
• 33:16
  started, when he decided he was in love with Penelope.
• 33:19
  But we'll get into that. Yeah.
• 33:22
  Yeah. Well, we will.
• 33:23
  Elizabeth, you should get us back to these costumes.
• 33:26
  I. Actually did kind of forget what
• 33:28
  we were talking. About we didn't even start.
• 33:33
  Oh, Hyacinth, Beautiful hyacinth.
• 33:36
  John talked to Vogue a little bit about her, starting with her
• 33:41
  presentation dress, which I did not pick up on this at first, He
• 33:45
  said. So when she's presented to the
• 33:47
  Queen, her dress is actually a copy of Daphne's dress from
• 33:51
  season one. It's like a family heirloom
• 33:55
  being passed down. But her references after that
• 33:58
  point are Grace Kelly and a 40s Katherine Hepburn with her
• 34:05
  shears, blouses, and little puff sleeves.
• 34:09
  She's in Bridgerton colors, but if you look closely, you'll see
• 34:13
  that she also wears a lot of light apricot blended with blue.
• 34:18
  So again, you're not really sure what color she's wearing and
• 34:22
  where her story's going. That's what I like about this
• 34:27
  season. The first time you watch it,
• 34:28
  you're like, oh, look at that. Then the second time and the
• 34:32
  third time, you see so much more because of how we layered
• 34:37
  textures and fabrics. The closer you look, the more
• 34:42
  you'll see, which I think that is so true, especially when you
• 34:47
  look at her wedding gown. I didn't realize how much detail
• 34:52
  was in that thing. It's stunning.
• 34:54
  It's stunning, probably one of my favorite costumes of the
• 34:57
  entire season. I mean, she's stunning.
• 35:00
  I could look at her for hours. Yeah, and let's talk about that
• 35:04
  casting for a second. I mean, Hyacinth could have
• 35:06
  literally been Daphne's sister. Like, in real life, they look
• 35:10
  very close. When we mentioned her wearing a
• 35:14
  copy of Daphne's dress at the very beginning, I caught that.
• 35:18
  And I was like, oh, Lady Bridgerton has a formula that
• 35:21
  she knows works, and we're gonna follow that until it doesn't.
• 35:27
  I I can just see it and like Lady Bridgerton being like, OK,
• 35:32
  Eloise, we're going to fit Daphne's gown to you.
• 35:34
  And I'll always just be like, what?
• 35:36
  No, I don't want to wear that. Are you kidding me?
• 35:39
  If I have to wear something ridiculous, I want it to be at
• 35:41
  least mine. And then Hyacinth was just like,
• 35:43
  yeah, sure, whatever, mom. She clearly didn't care if she
• 35:46
  didn't care about the day as. Long as I could get home and
• 35:49
  play piano and stardew valley by she.
• 35:51
  Said I'm already overstimulated, so just.
• 35:54
  Yeah. She was like mom, mom once
• 35:58
  again, let me just tell you like I'm not Daphne because she wants
• 36:02
  all of her daughters to be Daphne because she's forgotten
• 36:05
  the trauma of what actually happened to Daphne in season
• 36:07
  one. And she sees Hyacinth as an
• 36:11
  opportunity to have another Daphne and so puts her in the
• 36:15
  same dress, which I'm like makes sense.
• 36:17
  Especially like that's A1 occasion type of gown.
• 36:21
  Can you hear Elizabeth's hatred toward Lady Bridgeton just
• 36:24
  bubbling at the surface there? Yeah, I I did not know this.
• 36:29
  I have never felt this way about Lady Bridgeton or clocked it
• 36:34
  but. She doesn't know her children,
• 36:38
  which is insane because Kate is like you seem so close to your
• 36:41
  children. I'm like this woman doesn't know
• 36:42
  her children. Like she's shocked when both
• 36:47
  Anthony and Hyacinth are like, I just want a good match.
• 36:50
  I don't need a love match. And she's like, what?
• 36:52
  And I was like, you clearly don't speak to your children.
• 36:56
  I. Don't think it's that, I think
• 36:57
  she just hopes and wishes for them that they could have more
• 37:02
  than just a match. I also have to say when she is
• 37:08
  first introduced to the Marquess at the the balloon party, I love
• 37:13
  her look in this because it it shows what John saying about
• 37:16
  them like layering fabrics. It's done beautifully there.
• 37:21
  Yeah, that's definitely a good one.
• 37:23
  I just love how the colors kind of like ebb and flow between
• 37:26
  like, Bridgerton colors, but then kind of like transition
• 37:29
  where you don't really. You could tell that she's, like,
• 37:31
  loyal to the Bridgerton's, but she's also like, she wants to
• 37:34
  live her own life, do her own thing.
• 37:36
  Yeah. She also doesn't want like, a
• 37:38
  busy life. She's like, I just want to play
• 37:40
  piano, get married, you know, have do the kid thing.
• 37:43
  And just like, I really don't want any too.
• 37:46
  Many kids. Yeah, she's like one.
• 37:48
  Or two, yeah. I thought that Marcos was like,
• 37:51
  I would like eight children and she she was out at that point.
• 37:54
  She was like, no, thank you. No thanks.
• 37:56
  I don't love her look. The blue look with the jacket,
• 38:00
  which I think was when they ran, was that originally when they
• 38:03
  ran into each other in town, she was wearing that so.
• 38:07
  She has a couple of these. I I in my head, I think it's
• 38:12
  kind of like Chanel, yeah, kind of coats.
• 38:15
  That's yeah, that is what it's giving.
• 38:18
  Yeah, in this season, like when he talks about like the
• 38:20
  inspiration being like Grace Kelly, Katherine Hepburn, I get
• 38:24
  it. But of this season, that is.
• 38:26
  One thing I I wasn't super here for was those jackets she wears.
• 38:31
  I just felt like it made her look older than she is.
• 38:33
  Yeah, absolutely. Like it looks like something
• 38:37
  Lady Bridgerton would wear to me.
• 38:39
  Yeah. I kind of like it actually.
• 38:41
  I'm the opposite 'cause I think she does wear it, 'cause she, I
• 38:44
  feel like she is one of the more mature people in the family.
• 38:47
  And I feel like she kind of dresses for that.
• 38:49
  And I think she sees herself as like, I'm going to be like the
• 38:52
  one Bridgerton to do this right, which is to lock this thing down
• 38:56
  real quickly. I'm polished and I'm ready to
• 38:58
  like, move on. And yeah, sure, I'm your
• 39:00
  diamond, whatever that means. Like, I don't know.
• 39:03
  I kind of like, like the more like mature aspect of her.
• 39:06
  And she looks up to her mom and she's like, this is what my
• 39:09
  mommy would do. Fair enough.
• 39:11
  Yeah. And I feel like we get that same
• 39:14
  energy in this like chichi apricot number she wears to the
• 39:19
  ice cream parlor. It has the same structure.
• 39:23
  It it is like another one of these little jackets.
• 39:25
  It has the same structure, but it's like a younger fabric
• 39:29
  choice. I would say it doesn't age her
• 39:32
  the same way that like Chinelli fabric does.
• 39:37
  Someone who's definitely trying to attract some attention,
• 39:40
  though. We have Cressida this season.
• 39:46
  Honestly, Cressida kind of sold me this season, right I.
• 39:52
  Mean I. She's just done been through it.
• 39:55
  I'm like. Yes so I am like so mad with how
• 39:59
  her story went this season. Because she really had me in the
• 40:04
  first half and I was like, I think I was talking to you about
• 40:07
  this, Spencer. I was like, I'm so excited.
• 40:10
  I'm so excited for the second-half of the season.
• 40:12
  Because she's definitely gonna get with Lord Debling.
• 40:15
  She's gonna make that work now that he's clearly not marrying
• 40:21
  Penelope. I was like, she's gonna make
• 40:23
  that work. And Lord Devlin just straight up
• 40:26
  disappears now. That you say it?
• 40:27
  Yeah. Forgot about him.
• 40:29
  Oh yeah. Where did he go?
• 40:31
  I guess he just went back. He was like an animal guy,
• 40:33
  right? Yeah, he was like, going to
• 40:35
  like, draw pictures of leaves and like, I don't know.
• 40:38
  His eyes were starting to turn. Forage for mushrooms.
• 40:42
  Yeah. This might be shocking to both
• 40:46
  of you, but I actually precedo was one of my favorite
• 40:50
  characters I know. That's not showing.
• 40:53
  At all. I know, I know crazy.
• 40:57
  She was fantastic and I really liked her a lot yeah, I also
• 41:04
  thought she kind of got like the shitty and the stick because she
• 41:06
  was fighting for her life out here.
• 41:09
  Yeah, she, she made a bad call with announcing herself as Lady
• 41:13
  Whistle down. You know, like every once in a
• 41:15
  while we do something that you're like, wow, that's pretty
• 41:17
  cringy of me. Like something you did in high
• 41:19
  school. When you think about that for
• 41:20
  like 10-12 years later, this is gonna be one of those moments
• 41:24
  for her. But I she was doing what she had
• 41:27
  to do. Yeah, it's not what I wanted for
• 41:31
  Cressida though. After, she was like a decent
• 41:33
  friend to Eloise. Eloise did her dirty, I'm not
• 41:37
  gonna lie. Yeah.
• 41:39
  Like obviously I wanted Eloise and Penelope to become friends
• 41:42
  again, but that didn't mean you had to just like, toss her to
• 41:45
  the side. Right.
• 41:47
  And I was like, it's kind of like a shitty thing.
• 41:50
  Also what she did to Penelope and pointing out to Lord Devlin
• 41:54
  like that her and Colin were in love.
• 41:57
  Like that's not nice. But I also get, like, when she
• 42:00
  was talking to Eloise, like, I like, you can't have friends
• 42:03
  when you're in the marriage Mart because you're, like, fighting
• 42:07
  for your husband. And I was like, she saw him as
• 42:10
  her opportunity to get out of a horrible household, and she was
• 42:16
  doing everything in her power to secure that man.
• 42:20
  So I'm like, not cool, Cressida. But, like, after you meet her
• 42:24
  father, like, I get it, Yeah. I'm trying to book it out of
• 42:27
  there too. Yeah, I.
• 42:29
  Know God that guy sucked. And then they said, here's this
• 42:32
  old geezer for you. Yeah.
• 42:35
  Absolutely not. She's LED, I think I'm going to
• 42:38
  go play at Lady Whistledown's office.
• 42:42
  Let's talk about Cressida's costumes.
• 42:45
  I the whole time, every time she was on screen, I was like, oh,
• 42:48
  there's we're going to be talking about this on the
• 42:50
  podcast. She is so over the top.
• 42:53
  And I just love her for it. And This is why like she was
• 42:56
  kind of believable as Whistledown actually.
• 42:59
  You're like, oh, of course, like the most extravagant person here
• 43:02
  that has like a love for drama and the theatrics, so it really
• 43:07
  made sense. I love that they established at
• 43:09
  one of the balls that like, she's a person who usually has
• 43:12
  gossip when they're looking for gossip at the one ball.
• 43:16
  When people find out that Colin's been helping Penelope,
• 43:19
  they look to Cressida first and she's like, no, So like clearly
• 43:25
  I'm like, that's not implausible.
• 43:28
  I feel like to a lot of the time that Cressida could be Lady
• 43:32
  Whistle down, but as we know she is not.
• 43:36
  And John talked to in Style a bit about her color story,
• 43:42
  especially with Eloise saying people are going to talk a lot
• 43:46
  about colors of the families and of the characters with Eloise
• 43:50
  and Cressida. This is an area where we soften
• 43:53
  the colors on both of them and made them a little more on the
• 43:58
  same level. Now it's like a friendship
• 44:01
  that's forming. And so the colors are sort of
• 44:04
  tying through that and we see a softer side of her coming out
• 44:09
  saying how important it is to have a friend.
• 44:12
  And it's a little bit more sensitive than the Cresta we've
• 44:16
  seen before, which like, absolutely, she really is trying
• 44:20
  to be Eloise's friend in the first half.
• 44:24
  Of the season, she was totally trying and she's misunderstood.
• 44:28
  Yeah, yeah, she's. I don't know.
• 44:31
  Yeah, she has a soft place in our hearts.
• 44:32
  I hope Shonda again, we would like to see her in Season 4.
• 44:37
  I really was thinking the whole time though, I was like, oh,
• 44:41
  she's giving in love with Eloise.
• 44:43
  Like, you know. Yeah, I too, was wondering if
• 44:48
  that's where this season was going to go, but clearly it did
• 44:51
  not. And I love that he says like,
• 44:54
  oh, we toned down Crescent and it's like you did tone down her
• 44:57
  color, Sir. She was not tone.
• 44:59
  Down you did not tone. Down.
• 45:01
  Her no, you did not tone down her anything else and.
• 45:09
  He. That's crazy talk.
• 45:12
  Yeah. And when he was talking to
• 45:14
  Variety, talked about the meaning behind Cressida's high
• 45:20
  fashion shoulder moments. Because that's entirely what she
• 45:24
  had was high fashion shoulder moments was he wanted to give
• 45:27
  her some armor Because clearly she's coming up against, you
• 45:32
  know, a situation she'd never expected to find herself in,
• 45:37
  which was like, people are considering her an old maid.
• 45:40
  Her father's ready to sell her off, like she needs protection
• 45:45
  from somewhere. Yeah, no, I'd love the
• 45:47
  shoulders. I'm yeah, it's, it's not toned
• 45:50
  down to me, but like, I love her for that, you know, I love the
• 45:54
  big shoulders. And I think my favorite has to
• 45:56
  be that red one. I think that's when she like is
• 45:59
  like under the guise of like being Lady Whistledown and she's
• 46:03
  wearing. We haven't talked about a red
• 46:05
  dress on this podcast in a minute.
• 46:06
  No, we. Haven't.
• 46:08
  This is No, we haven't. This is the reddest, most
• 46:10
  sinister. I am the devil.
• 46:12
  Lady Whistledown dress like I would have been convinced.
• 46:15
  You know, it's such a good one. Absolutely.
• 46:19
  And John talked to Variety about this dress.
• 46:22
  He said it's like an F you dress when she walks in.
• 46:27
  It's translucent. So it's not giant or heavy.
• 46:32
  You're not really sure where it stops, where it starts.
• 46:35
  And you're not really sure if it's a red dress, which I'm like
• 46:39
  that last statement, Sir, You absolutely know it's a red
• 46:42
  dress. You know, that's exactly what it
• 46:45
  is. And he says also in that
• 46:46
  interview that the writers wanted it to be a red dress.
• 46:50
  That's why it's that color. And it just like suits the
• 46:53
  moment. Oh well, what is the what part
• 46:55
  is that from? Is that when she's like said
• 46:57
  that she's Lady Whistle Down and now she's like moonlighting as
• 47:00
  Whistle down trying to convince everyone?
• 47:03
  I think she's at the Mondrich's ball when she goes up to the
• 47:07
  queen and is like, hey. Yeah, doesn't she walk in with
• 47:10
  her mother? That's right, Yeah.
• 47:12
  And. Then she hands out her the
• 47:15
  little pamphlets. Yeah, that was a.
• 47:18
  Badass moment. Yeah, she.
• 47:21
  Said. I'm here.
• 47:24
  Yeah, and I was like, I mean, this takes the heat off of
• 47:26
  Penelope for a little bit too. So I mean, you know.
• 47:30
  She's just, they give her such sharp angles in all of these
• 47:33
  outfits too. Like, I don't know, just like
• 47:35
  the way that they do her hair and her, you know, her makeup
• 47:39
  and everything. Like even in that red dress, her
• 47:41
  neck just looks so long and like, you know, she's not here
• 47:45
  to play. She's not here to play.
• 47:47
  How is she not married? I don't I.
• 47:50
  Can't figure that out either. Well, I guess the shady Lord
• 47:53
  Featherington was trying to marry her last season, so I
• 47:56
  guess she kind of, I think she got caught up in that and didn't
• 47:59
  get a chance to find somebody else.
• 48:01
  That's right, they would have been married, but then he got
• 48:05
  blackmailed. As one does.
• 48:07
  Yeah, well, because Lady Featherington came up with an
• 48:10
  insane scene that was wild. And it.
• 48:13
  Worked that. It did work.
• 48:15
  It worked out for the best. What's not working out for the
• 48:19
  best, I don't think, is Eloise not being friends with Penelope.
• 48:24
  Yeah. Eloise has always been one of my
• 48:26
  favorite characters. She was not this season.
• 48:29
  She was unlikable this season unfortunately, which I think
• 48:32
  they did. Yeah.
• 48:33
  On purpose a little bit, but it's just like, oof, yeah.
• 48:39
  Well, we're gearing up for her season.
• 48:41
  I hope so. We're like, she has to go down
• 48:44
  before she could come up. That's true.
• 48:47
  And it's just like, I feel like Eloise didn't know who she was
• 48:51
  this season and she's always known who she is.
• 48:54
  And this season she's trying to be a member of the town, of
• 48:57
  which she absolutely is not. And you can see how miserable it
• 49:01
  makes her. But I also think it was shitty
• 49:04
  of her, like in that moment where she kind of like, I think
• 49:08
  there's a moment in the part one where she's like standing around
• 49:13
  with all the girls and she's like, do you guys have anything
• 49:15
  actually like interesting to say?
• 49:17
  And it's like, girl, this is patriarchy.
• 49:20
  They didn't make this up. Like they're just here doing
• 49:24
  their best with what they're given and what they're taught.
• 49:26
  And like, don't make fun of everyone because you think
• 49:29
  you're better like. Yeah, and it's like embroidery,
• 49:33
  a beautiful art form. And unfortunately it is their
• 49:36
  only means of expression. So let them have it.
• 49:38
  That's. What I'm saying, yeah, Eloise is
• 49:41
  giving privilege this season, unfortunately.
• 49:44
  But I think this is in terms of costumes, this is one of my
• 49:48
  favorite seasons for her. I like that.
• 49:51
  Yeah. I thought she looked so
• 49:52
  sophisticated and like, yeah, sure, she might be someone that
• 49:55
  maybe that she's not. But to me, it just felt like she
• 49:59
  had like, a vision for herself. And she felt more again, like a
• 50:03
  bit more mature and more like, you know, like it is her season,
• 50:08
  even though, you know, yeah, she was up to some shenanigans.
• 50:12
  But. I mean definitely more mature
• 50:16
  but I I don't she just looked constantly uncomfortable to me.
• 50:20
  I think she is uncomfortable. I think she's uncomfortable
• 50:23
  because she is so buttoned up and sophisticated and it's
• 50:27
  almost like she's trying to, like she's trying to tell
• 50:30
  herself that she's OK and she's all right with her new friend
• 50:33
  who she actually doesn't like too much.
• 50:35
  And she's OK for not being friends with Penelope and she's
• 50:38
  OK and he's like a bit more sophisticated dresses that maybe
• 50:42
  her mother would want her to wear.
• 50:44
  Like I think she spends the season trying to convince
• 50:46
  herself that she's OK. And I like that the costumes
• 50:48
  kind of ate her in that. I like that too, but.
• 50:54
  I know I miss. I miss.
• 50:57
  I miss my season one and season 2 Ella.
• 50:59
  She's. Scorn, she's too Scorn.
• 51:01
  I do love the luck with the little bow came.
• 51:04
  Into this episode with some heat.
• 51:08
  Maybe I have a lot of thoughts, Spencer.
• 51:12
  She's been saving them up. Yeah, the bow look though, that
• 51:15
  was a fun one, yeah. That's what I'm saying.
• 51:16
  It's so cute. The blue, the blue like, you
• 51:20
  know, wrap every like that looks really sophisticated and great,
• 51:25
  but. Absolutely.
• 51:27
  And Spencer, like you were saying, we've never seen Eloise
• 51:31
  this like this before and John talked to Vogue and that was
• 51:36
  very much what he was going for saying we do get to see and her
• 51:42
  in some things that she wouldn't normally have worn before.
• 51:46
  We got to break out of her stiffer clothes and give her
• 51:50
  bows and ruffles, but it feels tailored rather than fussy.
• 51:55
  We try to keep her in a truer Regency style, but there are
• 52:00
  also references to Aubrey Hepburn.
• 52:04
  There's something almost 60s about her long satin coats.
• 52:08
  We nod to My Fair Lady and we even use pointed modern shoes on
• 52:14
  her to give her that slightly more modern look, which I'm
• 52:18
  like. Audrey Hepburn, Absolutely.
• 52:21
  That ball when the news about Penelope and Colin comes out
• 52:26
  that has like these starburst flowers all over it, I was like,
• 52:29
  when I saw that, I was like, something about this feels
• 52:31
  familiar. And it's like, yes, this is
• 52:33
  Audrey Hepburn right here. With the Hepburn, yeah.
• 52:37
  Yeah. Even the hair, like everything
• 52:39
  about her, is Audrey Hepburn down to the ground.
• 52:42
  So yeah, I don't know, except for her attitude.
• 52:46
  Yeah, Eloise, I'm not as mad at you as Elizabeth and Chloe are,
• 52:51
  but. I'm not mad.
• 52:52
  I just, I just don't get it. Like I just don't get it.
• 52:56
  I'm just like your friend. Your best friend holds all the
• 53:00
  power in the town and you're gonna turn against her instead
• 53:05
  of join her? And it's like, I'm sorry,
• 53:08
  Eloise, but you were doing some very stupid shit last season.
• 53:13
  Like if anyone, like someone was going to find out about what was
• 53:17
  going on with her and her, that printer boy anyway.
• 53:21
  And I think Lady Whistledale stopped it before anything worse
• 53:27
  could have happened. Yeah, before she was with child
• 53:30
  or you know, something that she would have been ready to deal
• 53:35
  with so. Or someone worse discovered her.
• 53:40
  But Speaking of Lady Whistle down, should we get into the
• 53:43
  couple of the season, Penelope and Colin?
• 53:47
  Let's do it. Let's do it, the lady of the
• 53:49
  hour. Not this Ronald McDonald special
• 53:52
  with that that yellow. I'm so happy the yellow's gone.
• 53:57
  I know. It's it that was one of my
• 54:00
  favorite parts of seeing Penelope like really get into
• 54:04
  these colors that I just felt like we're so much more
• 54:06
  flattering on her. I mean, really, I want to shout
• 54:09
  out the entire Featherington family, honestly, because I
• 54:12
  think all of them kind of have a glow up together, like as a unit
• 54:17
  from their mother to her two sisters, Penelope, like they all
• 54:21
  like kind of have this transition that I think looks
• 54:23
  really great. And I'm so happy that we did
• 54:25
  leave like the neon yellow behind.
• 54:29
  Far, far behind. So far behind the Fatherington
• 54:32
  family was one of the best parts of the season.
• 54:34
  I think, Oh yeah, they were giving comedy on comedy.
• 54:38
  I'm like, it was so. Good.
• 54:40
  It was so good, and I really liked their costume trajectory
• 54:46
  for Penelope. John talked to Teen Vogue a lot
• 54:50
  about her looks this season, saying our mission was to
• 54:54
  showcase her body instead of trying to hide it with the
• 54:58
  Regency line. When is a show?
• 55:00
  She's not a girl, she's a woman, which I'm like, that was such a
• 55:04
  good call, especially for Nicola Colgan.
• 55:07
  Like, it just, she's such a beautiful woman.
• 55:10
  And the costumes just show that off so well this season.
• 55:14
  Yeah. Yeah, well, not to especially.
• 55:18
  I mean she's a 37 year old woman playing AI always.
• 55:21
  Forget about that. What, like, how old is Penelope
• 55:24
  supposed to be? Like, 20, early 20s?
• 55:27
  Yeah. Which is wild, But they let her
• 55:31
  shine. They do.
• 55:33
  I. I think that's why I almost like
• 55:35
  I've always had a hard time with Penelope is because to me she
• 55:38
  always feels so young and I think like the colors and
• 55:42
  costumes just made her feel like a little girl to me.
• 55:44
  So I was like kind of nervous going into this, but I do forget
• 55:47
  that she's like 37. She does not look anything close
• 55:50
  to 37 to me. I mean, she looks like she's our
• 55:53
  age, if that. And yeah, she looked incredible
• 55:56
  this season. I was so happy for her.
• 55:58
  And I especially love when we start the season with that
• 56:01
  transition, when she comes out in that dark, kind of like.
• 56:04
  The kind of. Gothy Vanessa Ives type look.
• 56:08
  It just was like, this is what I'm talking about.
• 56:11
  This is what I've been waiting for.
• 56:13
  That emerald green? Yeah, so good, she said.
• 56:19
  It's giving reputation, and I'm in my reputation era.
• 56:24
  Watch out. Especially with like the
• 56:27
  metallics, 'cause she's like, I, I wanna shine, I wanna like, be
• 56:31
  out there and be noticed and attract some, some of these men,
• 56:36
  'cause she's so terrified at the prospect one of her sister is
• 56:40
  becoming the lady of the house. I also love that they the
• 56:47
  inspiration was a little bit more from Paris because I was
• 56:51
  like, that's your first clue that she she can't end up with
• 56:53
  anyone besides Colin because he that's what he mentioned.
• 56:58
  He mentions it like at the beginning of the season because
• 57:02
  she is like, oh, your clothes? And he was like, Oh, yeah, it's
• 57:04
  like the latest fashion in Paris.
• 57:06
  Yeah, she said. Paint me like one of your French
• 57:08
  girls, babe. Like.
• 57:09
  Yeah, and the Modi said I got you.
• 57:15
  Colin was playing chess, but she was playing checkers, she said.
• 57:20
  I am going to send subliminal messages to this man and he
• 57:25
  doesn't even know by wearing these outfits that are inspired
• 57:29
  by his travels which he loves so much.
• 57:32
  Yeah. Absolutely I.
• 57:34
  Didn't put that together. Yeah, that's that's why she says
• 57:38
  I want looks from Paris. And the modiste was like, of
• 57:43
  course, Lady Penelope Featherington.
• 57:48
  Only the best for you. And like, just the whole season,
• 57:56
  it just gets better and better. And John talks some more to Teen
• 58:01
  Vogue about her look, saying we softened her colors and used
• 58:05
  blue and green together, little bits of pink, touches of yellow.
• 58:10
  We didn't want to place Easter eggs for people to think, oh,
• 58:14
  this blue dress means she's going to be a Burgerton.
• 58:16
  I wanted to keep all the costumes a little mysterious
• 58:19
  because they were all changing and evolving, which so true.
• 58:25
  And my absolute favorite look of hers was this, like, minty green
• 58:30
  with, like, the little, like, velvet bolero and the black and
• 58:36
  green, like, floral detail like. Yeah, yeah.
• 58:42
  I love that too. It kind of was like, yeah, I
• 58:45
  don't, I know that, John says. It wasn't like super obvious,
• 58:48
  but to me I was like, I feel like it was kind of like the
• 58:51
  bridge of Tim blue and like the Featherington green kind of
• 58:53
  blending together a little bit, giving us this like mint ice
• 58:57
  cream that we like. So I don't know.
• 59:00
  She looked and those. Colors just like make her red
• 59:03
  hair like stand out so much and like the cuts it just goes so
• 59:07
  good together. Oh, it pops so well.
• 59:09
  Absolutely. I love how you know, costume
• 59:12
  designer, prey, hair, makeup, everyone's trying to like do
• 59:15
  whatever they can and not have these Easter eggs.
• 59:17
  So we don't can't guess what's gonna happen this season.
• 59:20
  But let's all be real. This is like the most
• 59:22
  predictable season. We knew there was a point A and
• 59:25
  we're going to point B and it's gonna be them getting together
• 59:28
  or they're not getting together and it's just like 3 episodes
• 59:32
  in. We were like, all right, well,
• 59:34
  we know where this is going. Absolutely, and of course John
• 59:38
  knew that, he said to Teen Vogue.
• 59:41
  She had to bounce off a new Colin too, and visually it had
• 59:45
  to happen very quickly. It was a challenge to make sure
• 59:49
  that it was right. It takes a little while to get
• 59:52
  the point, but all of a sudden everyone, the people are making
• 59:55
  clothes, the actor, all of us go, oh, that's it.
• 59:59
  And it's like, yeah, every time you see them together, it's
• 1:00:01
  like, Oh yeah, that's the couple of the season.
• 1:00:04
  Like every single time. Jeez, what did they put in that
• 1:00:08
  Bridgerton water, by the way? I mean, good Lord, Colin just
• 1:00:11
  popped up and I was like, Lady Bridgerton's just cranking out
• 1:00:16
  these attractive young men. Literally.
• 1:00:20
  I mean. It's really the the hair, you
• 1:00:24
  know, The hair does it all for a man, really.
• 1:00:26
  Oh yeah, right. Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Chloe, please give us like a your assessment.
• 1:00:30
  What's going on here? What's going on where and I?
• 1:00:33
  Mean with Colin, Like how did he get so attractive so fast?
• 1:00:37
  Honestly, I was shocked, OK, because I Well, obviously season
• 1:00:43
  one, the Duke's already hot, right?
• 1:00:45
  We are. We all know that he's a stunner.
• 1:00:48
  You know, you don't need to sell me on it.
• 1:00:50
  But of course, like going into season 2, I was like, all right,
• 1:00:53
  like Anthony was not on my radar and season one as being hot.
• 1:00:57
  But then of course I was like, well, now I'm in love with this
• 1:01:00
  in real life gay man, and what am I going to do about that?
• 1:01:05
  And then season three though, I was like, I don't know if they
• 1:01:07
  can sell me on Colin. Like I'm just, that's just like,
• 1:01:10
  not really for me normally, But I don't know.
• 1:01:14
  They they gave him a tan, they curled that hair.
• 1:01:19
  I could have done without. I mean, I know you have to have
• 1:01:22
  the sideburns. It's like of the time, like we
• 1:01:24
  could have fixed that up a little bit.
• 1:01:26
  But you know, his fits were fitting.
• 1:01:30
  They were good. Yeah, he, he looked great.
• 1:01:33
  He looked, he kind of looked like the Prince Charming a
• 1:01:36
  little bit to like Penelope's Bridgerton Cinderella.
• 1:01:40
  It was very quite cute. It was, and Jon Glaser had some
• 1:01:46
  pretty specific inspiration for Colin this season as he spoke to
• 1:01:52
  Vogue about. He said if you look at the first
• 1:01:56
  two seasons, Colin wears a lot of baby blue.
• 1:01:59
  But now he's been on a trip for six months and he's been in the
• 1:02:04
  cabin of a ship. In reality, he'd be smelly, his
• 1:02:07
  clothes would be dirty, and he'd be unshaven.
• 1:02:11
  But this is Bridgerton, so you have to glamorize it a little
• 1:02:15
  bit. So we went straight to the
• 1:02:17
  marbleman. We're not supposed to talk about
• 1:02:20
  smoking, but that guy's on a horse in the dust and dirt.
• 1:02:25
  He's a bit sweaty and he has a lot of swagger, which I was
• 1:02:29
  like, what is this man talking about?
• 1:02:31
  And then I looked up the marble man and I was like, oh, oh, OK.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah. We love a blue collar man just
• 1:02:40
  out there, you know, getting a little roughed up.
• 1:02:45
  That's what it is. That's what it was.
• 1:02:46
  He came back from his travels and he know he's been traveling.
• 1:02:49
  He went to Paris, he's meeting all these women.
• 1:02:52
  He's a bit haggard. He's, you know, I guess he's
• 1:02:56
  smoking cigs on the DL. He's drinking with his buds like
• 1:03:01
  he just came back like a man's man.
• 1:03:04
  And you know, it's just, it was like Tinder to the fire.
• 1:03:08
  It also didn't really start selling me until it's the
• 1:03:12
  yearning of it all. Once he realizes, once he has
• 1:03:16
  that kiss with Penelope and he realizes I'm actually sick for
• 1:03:20
  this woman, that's that's when I become sick for him.
• 1:03:24
  Because they it's, there's nothing better than a man
• 1:03:29
  yearning, you know, it's just we need to bring back yearning.
• 1:03:32
  You don't see it like that anymore.
• 1:03:34
  Yeah, he needs to be like Edward Colon, like absolutely nauseous
• 1:03:38
  in that first period of biology. He just like he was ready to hop
• 1:03:43
  out of a see him after they had that kiss.
• 1:03:45
  I mean, he was having like, he was having like dreams the very
• 1:03:48
  first part of Part 2 of the season, right?
• 1:03:51
  Like he was down bad. He was down bad, he was.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah. He was eating the desserts that
• 1:03:57
  she was licking, that frosting off her finger.
• 1:03:59
  He said I gotta try this dessert just to see what it tastes like.
• 1:04:05
  He didn't know what to do with himself and.
• 1:04:08
  He did not. He did not I, I also, I love his
• 1:04:16
  like priority look of it all 'cause he's you trying to be
• 1:04:20
  somebody he's not this season. So it's like when you see him
• 1:04:24
  like with the other women, you're like Colin Bridgerton,
• 1:04:28
  this isn't you. Like, I don't know what you're
• 1:04:31
  trying to achieve here, but this isn't you talking to all these
• 1:04:35
  other men like this. This isn't you.
• 1:04:38
  But then once like he clicks with Penelope, I'm like, OK,
• 1:04:41
  Colin, this, this is who you are.
• 1:04:44
  The British and men also have the secret weapon, which I
• 1:04:47
  noticed the three of them do. It's just like pop open the top
• 1:04:51
  few buttons on their shirt a little bit.
• 1:04:53
  It's like revealing like a little bit of chest hair.
• 1:04:56
  Like he was very much he. I was thinking of Gaston from
• 1:04:59
  Beauty and the Beast, honestly, like this is what I was saying.
• 1:05:03
  I just feel like that's their secret weapon and it's just
• 1:05:07
  unresistible to the women of this tongue.
• 1:05:09
  Yeah, because each of them, one of them walks down the aisle.
• 1:05:13
  Well, they also knew he was rich and eligible and they said let
• 1:05:17
  me get in that Bridgerton family, which honestly, I would
• 1:05:19
  be doing the same. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:23
  I feel like Benedict. Hello.
• 1:05:25
  And Benedict's still available. Can't tie me down, babes.
• 1:05:28
  Yeah, Benedict, you can tie me down, but not tie me down.
• 1:05:33
  You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  I needed to call a time out on Benedict.
• 1:05:38
  We need to have a talk, Benedict.
• 1:05:40
  I do feel like every season the writers are like, we need to
• 1:05:43
  redo his character. 100%. And I'm just like, wait, what's
• 1:05:48
  happening? Anyway, every season ends with a
• 1:05:53
  wedding and Penelope's wedding gown.
• 1:05:58
  Gorgeous, perfect chef's kiss. John talked to Shondaland about
• 1:06:05
  her gown, saying some people thought it would be over the
• 1:06:08
  top. But we spoke to Nicola and we
• 1:06:11
  all discussed that we wanted nothing to take focus away from
• 1:06:15
  her character. We didn't want to do a white
• 1:06:18
  dress because I said she'll look like a nurse.
• 1:06:21
  We started off with pale Blues that was a little harsh against
• 1:06:25
  her skin color so we lot thought let's just do blush.
• 1:06:30
  We wanted her to be able to move, look beautiful and have a
• 1:06:34
  great silhouette. We wanted her to be completely
• 1:06:36
  different from her mother. Her mother gives her away and
• 1:06:41
  just to look as classy as possible.
• 1:06:44
  This was her moment. She looked fantastic.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah. Yeah, it was great.
• 1:06:51
  I mean her hair is like perfectly laid and it just like
• 1:06:54
  you go Scroll down, you just see this perfectly like blush dress.
• 1:06:58
  I kind of thought it was white first time I see it, saw it.
• 1:07:01
  But now that I'm like looking at pictures, it's like a very
• 1:07:03
  subtle. It just looks beautiful on her
• 1:07:06
  skin. And she just looked incredible.
• 1:07:09
  And she's so funny, though, standing next to her mom,
• 1:07:11
  Porsche, who's like dressed like a full on Peacock.
• 1:07:14
  I'm like Porsche. Just.
• 1:07:15
  Like, can't resist herself. And I get it.
• 1:07:18
  But like that stark contrast, like Porsche was actually
• 1:07:21
  setting up Penelope to look even more incredible, Honestly.
• 1:07:25
  But then she has the little blue bundle of flowers with the blue
• 1:07:28
  ribbon that just, like, plays so nicely with the dress and, like,
• 1:07:31
  obviously nods to the Bridgerton.
• 1:07:33
  So love that even though at this point I'm like, they're getting
• 1:07:39
  married and they're mad at each other.
• 1:07:41
  I feel sick like. I know.
• 1:07:43
  Yeah, I did love, like the little, like, smile and nod he
• 1:07:47
  gave her, though of course, before she walked down the
• 1:07:50
  aisle, 'cause he was like, yeah, I'm pissed at you, but like, I
• 1:07:54
  do love and want to marry you, yeah.
• 1:07:56
  I'm but I'm just like, wait guys, are we actually not going
• 1:07:59
  to talk about like episode one or like.
• 1:08:01
  That was straight up crazy. Yeah, I was watching that like
• 1:08:06
  2:00 in the morning too. I was like, oh, OK, I'm.
• 1:08:09
  Like Spencer, do you do you have any thoughts on the carriage
• 1:08:11
  scene in the Pitbull of it All? That is the best use of Pitbull
• 1:08:16
  I've ever heard. It was fantastic.
• 1:08:19
  I loved it. That was a This is why I also
• 1:08:22
  feel like we need to have more like horse drawn carriages in
• 1:08:26
  our big cities and. So many things can happen in a
• 1:08:28
  carriage. Oh my gosh, the best get rid of
• 1:08:32
  cars. I wanna go everywhere.
• 1:08:35
  Horse drawn carriage. And you know, get my little
• 1:08:38
  radio that only plays like vitamin string quartet version
• 1:08:41
  songs of all my favorite songs. You know, like some Kendrick
• 1:08:45
  Lamar with some violin, piano. To see, to me that was the scene
• 1:08:52
  of the season. It wasn't.
• 1:08:54
  It wasn't when they finally What's the word they use in
• 1:08:58
  Bridgerton? They consummated their
• 1:09:00
  relationship. Yeah, but like there's a,
• 1:09:02
  there's a, there's like a word that they use.
• 1:09:05
  Whatever, it doesn't matter. But when they were intimate, if
• 1:09:09
  you will, it was the carriage scene of it all for me.
• 1:09:12
  That was the that was the absolute peak because I, you
• 1:09:16
  know, I just felt like the build up was there and then at that
• 1:09:21
  point I just felt the actual honeymoon phase of it all after
• 1:09:26
  and that scene with Colin and Penelope with the mirror, they
• 1:09:29
  just could have done so much more.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah, yeah. The choreography of it all was
• 1:09:34
  not it for me. I was just like, don't you're
• 1:09:39
  you're gonna put her on this uncomfortable chaise right now.
• 1:09:43
  She can't even move. I don't know.
• 1:09:45
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I gotta say, I felt like
• 1:09:49
  this season they were trying to do too much with not enough
• 1:09:52
  time. It was like 8 episodes maybe,
• 1:09:56
  and we're trying to get in as much as we could.
• 1:09:58
  And I just was like, saw it down.
• 1:10:00
  Like I think what made Season 2 so successful is we were
• 1:10:04
  absolutely dying for Kate and Anthony to get together.
• 1:10:07
  You have to have the tension, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:10:09
  We knew it was going to happen, but like what?
• 1:10:12
  They made us wait till like the last damn episode like this.
• 1:10:16
  It felt like very much like, I don't know, it just felt like
• 1:10:19
  everything was happening too quickly and I just was like,
• 1:10:22
  let's, let's not a burn a little bit.
• 1:10:24
  And I think they tried to like, oh, well, we'll do Part 2 in a
• 1:10:26
  couple weeks. But even still, it was like, I
• 1:10:29
  don't know, pump the brakes a little bit and I just like in
• 1:10:32
  the whole time, I just could not stop thinking about how pissed
• 1:10:35
  Colin is gonna be when he finds out she's Lady Whistle down.
• 1:10:39
  I knew that was happening any day now.
• 1:10:42
  I feel like she got away with like a slap on the hand.
• 1:10:45
  I gotta say, I was a little bit still.
• 1:10:48
  I was still at Louise level pissed.
• 1:10:50
  I just felt like Penelope's written a little too much about
• 1:10:53
  the Bridgerton's. That'd be a hard one for me to
• 1:10:55
  forgive. But you know, I guess, I guess
• 1:11:01
  when that Pitbull song start playing, I mean, how could Colin
• 1:11:04
  forget that? A carriage?
• 1:11:06
  So I guess it's easier to forgive after that.
• 1:11:10
  Well, and also his lifelong friendship with her, obviously.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah, I'm like, I almost wish they had ended the season with
• 1:11:17
  the carriage ride and him being like welcome on like let's get
• 1:11:22
  married and season four been more the drama of like, you have
• 1:11:26
  to tell Colin your lady whistle down.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, like, well, that's what I was gonna say was I just felt
• 1:11:30
  like, OK, they're admitting their feelings for each other,
• 1:11:34
  kind of. And then he's like, well, let's
• 1:11:38
  get married. And I'm like, what?
• 1:11:41
  Yeah. And they do.
• 1:11:43
  But like, I wish they would have had like more push and pull of
• 1:11:46
  like, oh, we just did that. Are we sure?
• 1:11:49
  Like, Yeah. He basically sent an e-mail and
• 1:11:52
  she was like accept calendar invitation to wedding proposal.
• 1:11:56
  My least favorite thing was they they finally are in love right?
• 1:12:00
  It's the end of season and it cuts to like black and now she
• 1:12:03
  has a baby. I was like, we, we had to wait
• 1:12:09
  two years and come back and Kate and Anthony were still fucking,
• 1:12:13
  you know, like, so why do we just only like, they're like,
• 1:12:18
  here's a baby. Because apparently they had to
• 1:12:22
  clear up the the Feathering Tane storyline.
• 1:12:25
  This. Season.
• 1:12:26
  No they didn't. No, they fucking didn't.
• 1:12:29
  Like that could have been drug out a season.
• 1:12:30
  First of all. OK, shout out to Alana if you're
• 1:12:34
  listening. I'm shouting at my mom because I
• 1:12:36
  told her I was doing this podcast and she said to tell
• 1:12:39
  Spencer and Elizabeth her opinion on it, which was that
• 1:12:42
  the PR campaign was better than the the the smut in the show.
• 1:12:49
  And I said, you're right, Queen, because they were hyping it up,
• 1:12:53
  being like, yeah, it's going to be literally the spiciest
• 1:12:56
  season. Like all this and this and this,
• 1:12:59
  and we get one scene and then at the end, Penelope's doing her
• 1:13:05
  thing, but she's wearing a giant fucking robe, right?
• 1:13:10
  I said. Yeah, who?
• 1:13:11
  Is doing this in the room with us right now?
• 1:13:14
  That's what I'm saying. And then they said and now
• 1:13:16
  you're a mom bitch so. Yeah.
• 1:13:22
  I was, I almost fell out of my seat.
• 1:13:24
  I was like, I cannot believe they just handed her this big
• 1:13:27
  ass baby to it. Like this baby looked like he
• 1:13:29
  was going on to one year or two years old already.
• 1:13:32
  Excuse me? Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  This kid has a job and a Social Security number, and he's
• 1:13:40
  already. Getting rid of y'all.
• 1:13:42
  Y'all did the curvily dirty. I was like, no, not this.
• 1:13:46
  Like we could have had so much more just.
• 1:13:51
  Played for a little bit longer. Sheesh.
• 1:13:54
  Yeah, Benedict had like kind of a more sultry season and we
• 1:13:58
  didn't even ask for that. No, I mean, loved it.
• 1:14:01
  Obviously we're gonna get into that.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah, Benedict by Con Bridgerton, I said.
• 1:14:08
  Yeah. You better work.
• 1:14:11
  I also have to say I was so mad at the end of the season when
• 1:14:16
  the lady was like no I think I just want to be with you.
• 1:14:19
  I was like can we just have a throuple for the next season
• 1:14:22
  please? Like why did you have to
• 1:14:24
  immediately end that? But then I was more mad when
• 1:14:27
  Benedict fumble the bag though, and he was like, you know what,
• 1:14:30
  I'm into this. Like I want to just explore.
• 1:14:33
  She was so cool. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 1:14:36
  But I'm like, why can't? Why can't we've had the
• 1:14:38
  throuple? And also Benedict was gunning
• 1:14:41
  for her ass like the whole season.
• 1:14:42
  Mm hmm. And then she said I'm gonna give
• 1:14:47
  you what you want. And he said I actually don't
• 1:14:48
  want that anymore. Yeah, I'm good now.
• 1:14:53
  That I can have it. I actually don't want it so.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah. And I dare to say I think my
• 1:14:59
  favorite love romance in the entire season was Lady
• 1:15:03
  Bridgerton and Lady Danbury's brother I.
• 1:15:07
  Forgot about that. That was exceptional.
• 1:15:09
  I that, see, that was the yearning.
• 1:15:12
  We were waiting for this to happen all season and we still
• 1:15:15
  didn't even really get it. And do you know what I'm going
• 1:15:17
  to be looking forward to next season, Lady Bridgeton and Lady
• 1:15:21
  Danbury's brother. I want more of that.
• 1:15:24
  And I loved that her and Lady Danbury finally addressed the
• 1:15:28
  elephant in the room, which was that she said, Listen, I know
• 1:15:32
  you fucked my dad and I'm going to fuck your brother.
• 1:15:38
  And so we're kosher. And it's going to be OK.
• 1:15:43
  And that is Bridgerton Season 3 for you all.
• 1:15:50
  It's hot in here. I'm sweating.
• 1:15:53
  The real opinions are coming out.
• 1:15:56
  I think we need to take a little break and get ourselves back
• 1:15:59
  together, have some more tea so we could play our favorite game,
• 1:16:02
  which actually sounds quite impossible.
• 1:16:04
  I don't know how we're going to pick our favorite costume, but
• 1:16:07
  let's do it. Let's take a break.
• 1:16:24
  Hi, this is Dan, audio engineer of the podcast here to let you
• 1:16:28
  know that if you wanted to support the show, you can head
• 1:16:31
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• 1:16:36
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• 1:16:39
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• 1:16:44
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• 1:17:09
  Are you guys ready to? We've been talking about behind
• 1:17:13
  the scenes. We you guys might have thought
• 1:17:15
  we took a break, but we've just still been hashing it out behind
• 1:17:19
  the scenes. I think we're ready to play our
• 1:17:21
  favorite game. Are you guys ready?
• 1:17:24
  Ready. Ready.
• 1:17:26
  Daniel, you know what to do. The one costume to rule them
• 1:17:32
  all. Spencer, would you like to start
• 1:17:39
  us off? I would and I being a Co
• 1:17:44
  producer and Co host of the Art of Costume podcast, I feel like
• 1:17:47
  I get to break the rules every once in a while.
• 1:17:49
  So I'm picking a unit and I am picking the Featherington family
• 1:17:55
  actually, sans Penelope, I'm talking Porsche, Prudence,
• 1:18:02
  Philippa. I thought they looked so good in
• 1:18:04
  the finale at the ball when they walked in with the butterflies.
• 1:18:08
  And I just felt happy for them because like Chloe mentioned
• 1:18:11
  earlier, I feel like the Featherington's just always get
• 1:18:14
  looked down upon and this is just their moment to just see
• 1:18:18
  them happy and they look great. And I don't know, I just thought
• 1:18:22
  this was such a great season for Portia.
• 1:18:25
  Also, you know, she was having this like, kind of push and
• 1:18:28
  pull. And I like at one point where,
• 1:18:30
  you know, Penelope is like always browbeating her mom,
• 1:18:33
  talking about how absent she is, which is true.
• 1:18:35
  Portia is not the world's best mother.
• 1:18:38
  I think there's one point where Portia was there that was like,
• 1:18:41
  look, my life sucks and I'm just trying to make sure you guys
• 1:18:44
  have a better life than I did because my life has been pretty
• 1:18:47
  rough. Yeah, Rich.
• 1:18:48
  But like, everyone hates me and no one wants to hang out with
• 1:18:52
  me. So at least you get this cool
• 1:18:53
  life. And I kind of like, took a
• 1:18:55
  moment. I was like, yeah, she's right.
• 1:18:57
  Like she really has just been out here just trying to get her
• 1:19:00
  freaking kids to just do something so they could move on
• 1:19:04
  and everyone be happy. So I don't know.
• 1:19:06
  I love that season finale. I thought was fantastic just
• 1:19:09
  seeing them all together. Side note, I also thought that I
• 1:19:14
  knew that she would find out that Penn was lady whistle down
• 1:19:19
  and I knew that she was going to support the fuck out of her.
• 1:19:23
  Yeah. And she did.
• 1:19:24
  And she did. Yeah, Elizabeth's like, hear
• 1:19:27
  that, Lady Bridgeton? That's the And I felt like
• 1:19:30
  mother. I felt like that was going to
• 1:19:32
  bridge like the gap between Penelope and her mom, and her
• 1:19:35
  mom was going to actually be like, oh, I actually respect you
• 1:19:38
  so much and. Like Porsche's ride or die, she
• 1:19:42
  said. That's who.
• 1:19:43
  Where do am I bearing the body? That's what we're going to do.
• 1:19:47
  Well it starts when Colin walks in and is like stop talking to
• 1:19:51
  Penelope like that. That I was down bad for at that
• 1:19:56
  moment. Yeah.
• 1:19:57
  I said a. Man defending her honor, right
• 1:20:04
  and. Then Penelope walks up with that
• 1:20:06
  bag of cash stones. She's like, how does this make
• 1:20:08
  you feel, Mom? And Portia was like, real good.
• 1:20:12
  So good. She's not going.
• 1:20:14
  To want the sex. Scene after he stood up to her
• 1:20:17
  mom. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:19
  That makes. Sense, yeah.
• 1:20:24
  Of course. Portia was getting ready to
• 1:20:26
  Martha Stewart her way over to prison before a lady whistled
• 1:20:30
  down and stepped up so. It all worked out.
• 1:20:34
  Yeah, but I also like particularly liked Prudence's
• 1:20:39
  wardrobe 'cause it was definitely like inspired by what
• 1:20:44
  her mother was putting them in, but in a much more like tasteful
• 1:20:48
  way than what Portia has done. So great.
• 1:20:52
  Choice, Spencer. Thank you.
• 1:20:54
  Elizabeth was your one costume. Rule them all.
• 1:20:56
  MY1 costume to rule them all was Penelope's wedding gown 'cause
• 1:21:02
  it just suits her so well. And I did put this in the
• 1:21:06
  episode, but when John talked about this gown, he said, you
• 1:21:11
  know, he wanted to keep her independence from her family as
• 1:21:15
  part of the gown, which is why they did not go over the top.
• 1:21:19
  And like, you know, next to her mother, it shows.
• 1:21:21
  She really has moved on from being a feathering tin.
• 1:21:24
  She's ready to start the new chapter of her life.
• 1:21:27
  When he talked about like combining fabrics and layering,
• 1:21:31
  it shows beautifully in this, the idea of a garden.
• 1:21:34
  She has all these beautiful rosettes at the bottom, and it
• 1:21:38
  just really showed off Penelope and how far she's come and where
• 1:21:44
  she's going for the rest of her life.
• 1:21:45
  So I thought it was just excellent.
• 1:21:48
  It's a great choice. And one thing you got one thing
• 1:21:52
  about Elizabeth is she loves a wedding dress.
• 1:21:54
  And that will be her one costume rule them all.
• 1:21:56
  And it's a good one almost every time.
• 1:21:58
  Yeah, it's. This is a great one, though,
• 1:22:00
  especially I love seeing her stand next to Portia too,
• 1:22:04
  because it very much is the story.
• 1:22:05
  And it's like, that is what I was.
• 1:22:07
  And this is where I am now. And I'm Penelope Bridgerton.
• 1:22:12
  And you know, we I was sold at that point.
• 1:22:16
  Oh yeah, Oh yeah, it's the dress is a selling point for the rest
• 1:22:20
  of her life. Chloe, our special guest Lady
• 1:22:24
  Whistle Down and Real Life in the flesh.
• 1:22:27
  What was your one costume to rule them all?
• 1:22:29
  Well, it seems like we were all obsessed with the
• 1:22:31
  Featherington's this season because my costume to one
• 1:22:35
  costume to rule them all was also a Penelope look.
• 1:22:38
  And you know me, I love a bad bitch moment.
• 1:22:42
  And my favorite costume was when Penelope shed her yellow, pink
• 1:22:49
  crazy gowns of the past and she put on that emerald green number
• 1:22:53
  with the gloves and she walked into that ball at the top of the
• 1:22:57
  stairs and she said I'm here and this is me.
• 1:23:00
  She said this is real, this is me.
• 1:23:02
  So. This is who I'm supposed to be
• 1:23:05
  exactly. And men's jaws were dropping
• 1:23:10
  around the room and everyone was like, who is that queen?
• 1:23:14
  And I just everything about that.
• 1:23:17
  I was just like eating it up. I was like, yes, this is, you
• 1:23:21
  know, it takes a lot of guts to do something like that.
• 1:23:24
  And like, you know, sometimes I feel not to get deep with it,
• 1:23:27
  but in real life, I'll wear like some crazy stuff to work.
• 1:23:30
  And I'm always like, oh, are people going to be like, they're
• 1:23:32
  going to be like, oh, you dressed up today?
• 1:23:34
  Like, you know, whatever, Like people are going to be looking
• 1:23:36
  at you and takes a lot of guts to just really change it up from
• 1:23:40
  what everyone knows you to be and go out there and stand out.
• 1:23:45
  And she did it and it sold. It worked.
• 1:23:49
  Yeah, it's a really good point. I mean, she looks, it looks like
• 1:23:53
  a whole new Penelope. She looks badass.
• 1:23:56
  I don't know, I I hear like, like Evanescence playing in the
• 1:24:00
  background. Now she's walking down these
• 1:24:02
  stairs with that black glove. Like she just looks like sultry
• 1:24:06
  and just yeah, I was. It's like the embodiment of Lady
• 1:24:10
  Whistle down, you know? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:24:14
  That was a good one. And that brings us to the end of
• 1:24:18
  Bridgerton season three. I feel it's a little bittersweet
• 1:24:22
  'cause we only get to talk about the show like what, every other
• 1:24:24
  year, so it's gonna be forever, but.
• 1:24:26
  Hopefully they'll be quicker with the next one.
• 1:24:29
  Right, but more episodes though. You hear that Shonda?
• 1:24:32
  More episodes. We needed just two more.
• 1:24:35
  Two more rounded. Out there needs to be like the
• 1:24:38
  one filler episode in the middle which season one did this where
• 1:24:42
  it's just them hooking up for 55 minutes?
• 1:24:45
  Yeah, that'd be perfect. It's filler, but it set the
• 1:24:51
  tone, you know? Yeah, we need one more and.
• 1:24:55
  We needed more Penelope and Colin getting down.
• 1:24:59
  That's what we wanted. Absolutely.
• 1:25:02
  And Speaking of stories and what we thought about it, Spencer,
• 1:25:07
  should we break out the new rating system for the art of
• 1:25:11
  costume? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:13
  So Chloe, we've been, we've been field testing this.
• 1:25:17
  We've been rating our new movies or new seasons of shows.
• 1:25:21
  And you know, it's like one out of five stars, but we've been
• 1:25:24
  caught at one out of five stitches.
• 1:25:27
  You know, like 5 stitches is like this is tailored down it
• 1:25:31
  it's looking great. You know it's fitting with an
• 1:25:33
  inch of your life, and one stitch is like if you push on
• 1:25:37
  this sleeve a little too much, it's going to rip right off.
• 1:25:40
  Or if you bend over, your pants are going to split open.
• 1:25:43
  Is this based on costuming or is this based on?
• 1:25:47
  No. The whole.
• 1:25:48
  The OK overall feelings about. It and listeners, by the way,
• 1:25:52
  we're still feel testing the stitches part.
• 1:25:54
  So if you have something better, we're still open.
• 1:25:57
  But, you know, let's give it a go, Chloe.
• 1:26:01
  How many stitches would he give this season?
• 1:26:02
  OK, and not to be controversial, I'm think I would have to go if
• 1:26:10
  I can do half stitches, I would have to say for me, a 3 1/2 out
• 1:26:18
  of five. I just, I just wanted more.
• 1:26:21
  I just think season 2 had me so sick and down bad.
• 1:26:27
  And I mean, that was partially 'cause it was enemies to lovers,
• 1:26:30
  which is the, the, you know, it's the ultimate trope,
• 1:26:35
  granted. But I would say like, it was a
• 1:26:39
  five out of five for me for like the first part.
• 1:26:42
  I was just disappointed by the ending they gave Penelope
• 1:26:46
  because I just felt like she didn't really get her full
• 1:26:48
  moment to like shine in her couple.
• 1:26:50
  So I would have to say 3.5. Elizabeth.
• 1:26:55
  I I absolutely agree. I I'm going to go a tiny bit
• 1:26:58
  lower, give it a again, a solid 3 stitches 'cause like it was a
• 1:27:05
  little rushed it, it did go a little too fast.
• 1:27:09
  There was a little too much going on.
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  So we didn't get everything we wanted.
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  But you know, they moved it along.
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  They told their story. It looked fabulous.
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  So yeah, this garment's holding together, this show's holding
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  together with a solid 3 stitches.
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  I have to say I also am at a Three Stitches because
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  Bridgerton is still like a visual triumph and they could
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  put out 50 episodes of garbage and I would watch all 50
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  episodes. Regardless, yeah.
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  So like, we are Bridgerton fans to the day we die.
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  And I hope Shonda Land creates all seasons.
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  But yeah, it just felt rushed. And I just felt like the ending
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  was just like not what I, I once they had that baby to, to
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  Penelope, that's like what cemented it for me.
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  I was like, all right, I've, I've had it.
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  But like, visually is beautiful. And like we've talked about,
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  like there are some really great moments.
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  I just don't know if the great moments were between Penelope
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  and Colin really. Like I, I, you know, I just,
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  there's a lot happening, a lot of great storylines that we
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  didn't really get to fully tell to the potential that they had.
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  I would say so, but it was still fun.
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  Am I gonna watch it again? Probably, Yeah, Yeah.
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  I say 3.5 knowing that I'm still obsessed with it, you know, so.
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  Yeah, and that brings us to the end of Bridgerton.
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  I can't think of better way. I think I do like stitches.
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  Yeah, it's it's it's selling in my head.
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  One right, right. That's.
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  So funny. I'm so excited.
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  We're watching Curse of the Black Pearl, right?
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  Yes, parts of the Caribbean curse the Black Pearl.
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  I forgot to write that part down.
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