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Bear & Balanced: Football Festivus - 10 Things We Hate About Football · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to bear balance.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jeff Berkis, other side of the screen, Lester A, Wilkfong, Jr. Guys, we got a little bit of a different show today.
• 0:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got some grievances, and you're going to hear about this is the football fest of this show.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: and lesser and I are just going to go through a bunch of stuff about how we talk about the game of football, how the game of football covered words that are used in terms of terminology, you know, different topics that get beaten to death, just stuff that bothers us in interacting with this team, this league, the sport, and general, whatever it is, we love football, but these are
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: we're gonna do it.
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fitline between love and hate, right?
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like the passion we have passion.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it goes the other way.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So so this is not gonna be a very balanced show.
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't gonna be a very
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, hey, to hate show no, no bounds today, but that's okay.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got to do these sometimes.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get out the poison before we start training camp coverage.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's coming up here soon.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You had a tweet out earlier today that said quarterbacks and rookies are reported here pretty quick.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so this thing's this thing's going to ramp up before you know it.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I mean, we're going to be talking about camp.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be talking about.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: overreacting to a camp standout.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, you know, we'll excited to learn who that's going to be, who everybody's going to be super excited about that's going to get cut.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And all you can't cut him.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't cut him.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't cut him.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't risk him.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't risk him.
• 1:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's always going to scoop him up, right?
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to find out who that guy is for the bears this year.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be exciting stuff.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That narrative could have been on my list.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be out of it.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get it again.
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good example of something that, you know, whatever.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we forget about them by October.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into it.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm letting you start your number one grievance.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about it.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I've talked about this with your former co-host, E.J.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Schneider.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he was a guest on my two-for-manage conversation years ago, and this is,
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I hate the term edge for a defensive end slash three, four outside linebacker.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just hate the term.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I played football for it for nearly a decade.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I coach football for nearly a decade.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not once and it is this time that I discussed someone playing the edge.
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the edge is not, the edge is a thing.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's an edge of your table or it's a wrestling superstar or it's a guitarist for you too.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Edge is not.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: a football player, okay?
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand this, I don't get where it is.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other part of this that really pisses me off, why is it always capitalized?
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is my problem with it actually.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, I've come to grips and I use the term now because it's not to wildly accept it, okay?
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I try and sprinkle it in.
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Plus if I'm talking about defensive ends over and over and over, I don't like being repetitive so off throw in edge once in a while.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But do I capitalize it and why am I capitalizing it?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like a DT defensive tackle.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What the hell does EDGE say?
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just edge, never like this term.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've accepted this term.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I even use this term, but I still hate this damn term.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my biggest issue is that it's four letters and we're capitalizing all of them.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that does not make sense to me.
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you just can't say Ed.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, why not, right?
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or ED stands for something else, right?
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Edge Defender and other things, right?
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I get it, but also let's come up with a different term, or let's just call it end, you know, let's just call it Edge Defender, just like, I like ED Edge Defender.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a thing people do or is this the first time here in this one?
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I write out Edge Defender.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: like I write it all out.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you if you shrink it down into two capital letters and say ED, I like that.
• 4:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It also stands for something else that might get you a different search results that then you think you want, right?
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That might help.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's these days.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the same demographic that we're just that similar demographic.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I agree with you.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is how we talk about the game.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's evolved.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have a lot of these in our list of 10.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have that are that are a little annoying.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think this was a good one to start with because it just more than anything.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't fit the rest of how we label things.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of irritates me, right?
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, DN is a DE linebacker, LB, right?
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Safety is just S, right?
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or you could say SS for strong safety, FS for free safety, corner back is CB, right?
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, you could say DB, defensive back, right?
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it all comes usually down to two letters.
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes one letter,
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kickers, K, P, is on our right.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like so for the most part, you get two letters, some of them are one.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one gets four, but it doesn't stand for, it's not edge defender ground.
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you know what I mean?
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that, why are we just spelling the word?
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It does not make sense to me.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've had this conversation a little bit in the past, but this is a good one to kick it off.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a good one, right, er, the capitalization is just really what Erks mean to know it.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so this is my first one and that is base defense.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So base defense it's basically asking are you running a three four or a four three like when you say like your base defense that's what it's asking for it's like what is your alignment when you have.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: or defensive backs on the field.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's really what it's asking.
• 5:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of teams run a three four, which means three defensive linemen and four linebackers, and the rest of them run four defensive linemen and three linebackers of four three.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you say beast base defense, all it's saying is what's your front seven look like because you have four defensive backs on the field, but people keep saying it.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: People, it's not even in their base anymore.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a frequency.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: a conversation.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not what is your most frequent play call.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not what base means.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Base just means four defensive backs.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it gets brought up all the time.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I like why I get past the idea of how often you go, you could have somebody never call their base defense.
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that it's not the base defense.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's still referring to, they have a personal package that they would put out there if they need to get back into a four defensive back personnel.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nikola is is you hear this term nickels the new base, you know, it's not the new base nickels.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, because there's five DBs.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, base is like you said I like using a terms 40 front or 30 front.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I use those sometimes again, I don't like being repetitive on it right.
• 6:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So instead of always typing four three four three all type 40 front right same just 40 front means four
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of their responsibility is the same as a 4-3 defense event, you know, some 3-4 outside landbackers never drop in the coverage, you know, they do, they're always, they're always setting the edge, they're always rushing a pass or so yeah, this, the base defense and yeah, it has changed through the years where it's not the, the most common one use, nickel is that, you know, and, you know, and, you know, you know, you know, you
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: That may change again at some point and it may go back the other way because we're starting to see more teams run the ball, right?
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So teams are now playing more heavy.
• 7:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're keeping their normal package out that they're base out there because they want to make sure they can stop the run.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this wouldn't have always been to how people just kind of refer to another one kind of in the same vein as this is We'll dimension four three is like that's a that's a play for three's not the place not a Is just how you start your defense what happens after that is different like the tap of two
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: that like they could they could mix up those things and saying that's a four three temperature it's a four three thing it's not it's not a four three thing it could be run for any information any anything any defense nickel dime whatever it may be
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's a Tampa 2 is a coverage, it's a call or the huddle just because you're that's maybe your primary call or what should most known for even the back in the day where that was what you were running a lot that's not what they ran every play yeah that would be insane to run the same coverage every single time okay, let's move on to your next one.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know just turned I just I love it power slot I mean.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Traditionally look, I wear article years ago when Mark Trespin was coaching the bears because we heard a lot of how Trespin wanted to run the slot.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's gonna bring, he has to bring in this tiny, shifty, you know, Edelman type receiver.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was what the back in the day people thought of his slot receiver.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I wrote a article saying, no, no matter, you can put it, anyone can go into the slot.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, you can shift your offense, you can motion it, you can line up, you can start off that way.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone could be in a slot with the rear X, your Y, your Z, your F, your S, where are we going to call?
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Somehow in the last few years, it turned power slot came up because it's like, oh, they're putting Roman dunzy in the slot.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's like a power slot because he's bigger.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just because the size of the man makes it at a different position, it's the slot is a slot.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if I come out in a twins package to the same side, now he's lined up in the slot.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, he's not a power slot.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the slot is a slot.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's your third receiver.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some teams call it the F. Some call it the S. I don't know what the bear's call it and Ben Johnson's vernacular, but the slot received registered your I-DC for three.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whether he's five foot nine or six foot four,
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: someone on your team is learning what to do at that position, right?
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some players learn all three receiver positions because you know, you want some to interchange these guys.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't stay in here and power slot.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, this is one of those things that I will occasionally slip up and use because it's it's like being hammered in the head so much.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't stand power slots.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, our friend Nate Tyson, definitely uses power slot.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's where I first heard
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I feel like this is one of those terms that are for people that are football guys, but also love basketball.
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is where they they've pulled this in because you've got the like power forward and I think that's where this came from.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The first, you know,
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: big receiver that I remember being moved into the slot, as like a strategic advantage, was Larry Fitzgerald with Bruce Arians, and he did not like this idea.
• 11:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Larry Fitzgerald was like, no, I'm a founder, you're saying, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to let me be outside and win.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's just like, who cares where you line up?
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're going to, you're going to get so many more stats if I put you here because I can unlock you in here.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he tried it and it worked and you know in part of his career and he was still putting up crazy numbers and incredibly successful and it's like yeah like that's that's the answer is like what we're going to move here and this is this is where we can unlock your skill set right now and go go help us win football games right and so it's just where you're aligned you're still the same player for Cheryl
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: is the same player wherever he's at, but I guess if you're a big guy and you come in to the slot, that's where that term kind of came from.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe it opens up different route tree if you're bigger.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're trying to make this determination like, well, he's a bigger guy.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So these routes are more available to him than some of these more traditional small guys that you're putting in.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's it comes on a matchup, it comes down to you, you know,
• 12:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not my favorite term either, but I, I see it, I see the point of it to an a certain extent.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just I try not to use it too much either.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've had wrote the article years ago because that was like a thing that the whole slot receiver doesn't matter.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just for 30 years like like when I coached.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was years ago was, you know, before the whole spread really started taking hold, but right around that same time it started really happening.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I was, I was, you know, two backs tied end to receivers.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was my offense.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I move around quite a bit, right?
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But even back then I realized, okay, I want to have.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: my tight end flexed or I want to run a two by two right where I have a guy in a slot that normally isn't in the slot because it's a better mismatch for me.
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have my tail back come up and run it like a receiver sometimes.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just to get a different mismatch you know you could put whoever you want in the slot.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Their body type does not define them though.
• 13:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, we have tight ends, we'll flex out into a slot, position a lot too, right?
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, it's just the Montgomery.
• 13:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna see him a lot on the slot this year.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to kill people this year.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Call some level.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's in my company.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a difference between personnel and there's a difference between alignment.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just like don't worry about some of that stuff.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like some of this stuff, just I think it's a little overcooked because people have a little more time.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Too much time to think about it.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, my next one.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that in an attempt to make this game more understandable and appealing, a lot of the national level people that have covered football for a long, this is not a new thing.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a long thing that has happened over a generation.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that this game has been simplified down to just talk about the quarterback?
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's insane because there are 22 players on the field.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: They need given time.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it does not come down to just one player.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is the hardest position.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is the most important position.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is the position that gets paid the most.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the position a lot of times where those guys are naturally or they're asked to or they're naturally kind of have a fit in front of the microphone.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of, you know, they have to stand up and be a leader.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They normally got the captain.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: a patch on their chest like they are really important.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like the why are we talking about these guys are not important.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't come down to just cruise the best quarterback in the league and that's the best team in the league.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise damn arena would have had 10 championships.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, they're, you know, bait manning only has two.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, he has two, which is great, but like he was the best quarterback and lead for a long time.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just about the quarterback that's about the team, it's about, but that's more complicated, right?
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's harder to fit into a quick little, you know, sound by, you know, and we can, we can just focus in on, well, they lost the game.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the quarterback didn't play well.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really, play, fine, right?
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not playing defense, but how many times have we heard that?
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, it does, is he expected to go out and make the tackle on, you know, on that, on that third down play as well, like he's on the sidelines.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you got to count on your defense to do something.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that, you know, in an attempt to try to make this game more understandable, we have watered this down.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: We collectively as a football society.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've, we've watered this down to just talk about one position.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: insane because this is the most complex sport.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many things going on.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many that huge rot 53 manor authors, you know, just to like get through seasons.
• 15:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many players doing so many different things and you're missing so much of the beauty of the game.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: If all you're focused on is one guy.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's another one of those things like we've been talking about.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, we can't stand it, but like you said, we all do it to some extent like, you know, because the quarterback is the most important player and all teams work really, I mean, that's, that's the guy.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the quarterback, you know, could be one, that's, that's what everything's about.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, usually if you don't have a good quarterback, your team's gonna be bad, you know, not always.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You see some journeymen kind of,
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, go through the ranks and, you know, your Brad Johnson's win titles every now and again, you know, sand Donald, you know, he won the title.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it happens, you know, guys come out of nowhere and kind of do it and they kind of, you know, catch on and get really hot at the right time, Joe Flacco want to title, you know, so these things happen.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: We do it.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: But man, I love watching a game and sometimes the analyst is an ex-offensive lineman or even a running back.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's hit us, a lot of it is offensive driven, but every now and then there's a DB in the booth and getting that perspective is interesting to me.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I like hearing different perspectives.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking, we're both old offensive lineman.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we, of course, love the old line talk.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I find these guys on Twitter and social media that
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: talk about the game in that way because I want to make sure I get, you know, all aspects of, you know, all 20 to guys, like I told my kids when I coach, you know, do your one to 11, right?
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the quarterback.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's pretty important, but without the other 10, you know, the team's not going to do anything.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, see a lot of linebackers because those got a little, they are a little loopy.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're a little screwy.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, your next one, another term.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another term, and again, another one of those things, right?
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Occasionally we use, but big nickel, you know, like because you put a, again, a safety comes in as you're as your third defensive back, why are we calling that a big nickel?
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, Kyla Gordon's a good example in Chicago.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: They see a big nickel because he's bigger than Jalen Johnson because he's bigger than your other corner sometimes.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is he considered a big nickel?
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not your traditional shifty, you know, five foot eights guy to cover those those slot receivers, right?
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a he's a bigger guy.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He can kind of do it all.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: He can kind of play as a linebacker.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: If the bears are in nickel, he can kind of come up and you kind of, you know, do that run fit because he's physical.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing this around the league now, a lot of things are doing more nickel stuff where they have safeties or they have these hybrid type players that kind of played that position.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, just because he's bigger, he doesn't get a new term.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's still a nickel.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a nickel back.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just who you are.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you run time, is there a big dime?
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's a big dime that I'm going to be pissed off about in another year.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But is that a thing that's going to happen?
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope not.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: defensive backs and defensive back he becomes in whether he's playing you know safety or or corner normally if he's playing your nickel which is a position right you got to have that out there you know the the 12 personnel the 13 personnel so prevalent extra tight ends you want a bigger nickel back these days but he's still a nickel back get out of you with this big nickel BS.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, again, this is this is one of those things where you've got if you say nickel that means that there's five db's nickel's worth five cents five db's that's where that started right and then of course,
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no quarter personnel or quarter coverage, quarter coverage means he's split the field into four, one, you know, four quarters.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's different, you know, oh, well, nickel, no, he's playing nickel, meaning that he's the fifth defense of back that comes on to the field, meaning that he's generally responsible for the slot receiver or close, you know, playing a little closer to the line, like so a lot of this the problem here is that the terms, you know, there's there's a lot of mixed match with terms as well.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: The big nickel part, all I say it is like the safety is the fifth fifth defense a back that you're they're coming on the field, but I guess that's someone interesting to some people, but there was a, I think to your point, there was a graphic came out, it was shared, you know, in our Slack chat.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: and the bears had a really high percentage of a big nickel called last year.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, that's a Kyler Gordon is hurt and CJGJ is listed as a safety.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why it's a, that's why the bears have a big nickel high big nickel percentage just, you know, in the way this is because, you know, CJGJ was was considered a nickel.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Eric was considered a safety.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when he came on the field, that was big nickel to them, right?
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then when Kyler was playing, he's, you know, considered a corner.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so when he comes on the field, it's just a regular nickel.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like to your point, he could be called a safety for all we care because he can play all over the place.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the bears would just always be in big nickel when they have five different specs.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's a little deceptive there.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little silly.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just means five defensive backs.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's, there's something to just say defensive backs.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kyler is bigger than, than Garna Johnson physically.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good point.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't he be your bigger nickel?
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then, uh, I mean, there you go.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point right there.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's to be like, well, your big nickel is that, the normal, because it's not called little nickel.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just nickel, right?
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, so your normal nickel is actually
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm going to start doing little nickel.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to start right now.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, generally, like you have the opposite, right?
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I like to say it to you.
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: A little nickel.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Big nickel takes a little nickel.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: My next one.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more concepts and most of the mind.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: rankings, maniac.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when I mean by this, I mean a lot of things by this.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: One, how a lot of people write rankings or do rankings, right, even like the NFL doing the player like the top 100 players, that is it is same process like these players that are filling out these sheets, they're like they're wrote in for.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're voting for the teammates, they're voting for their buddies, friends.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're voting for their college teammates that are on other teams.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is a very dumb, unscientific approach, and then they drag that out.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: over months.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we are still like Caleb just got named.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're only halfway through the list because like Caleb was 51 right?
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're dragging this thing out, right?
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like it's not just NFL.com.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is everybody, right?
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is everybody like we'll rank everything and they will rank them one to 50 or one to 32 or whatever it is.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so one, most of these rankings have no process.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just somebody just saying like,
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my life power rank is, or here's this, whatever, and they just go, whatever, why it's done.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know why it's done?
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's because she'll click on it.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you will.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and then you're going to get mad about it, and so you're going to share it.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had, I had a quote years ago, or I said, if you want to make a group of strangers angry, rank something.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and, and,
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is what it is.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is just it's just rage bait.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it keeps happening because you keep clicking on it.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You keep clicking on it.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You keep sharing it.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You keep you keep talking about it.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I can't believe that it is as Caleb as the 20th quarterback.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe that idiot Mike renner.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I bet that that came across there.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has Caleb as the 130th.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's the CBS thing.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: First, first, I like to use the click some of the things.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't click this other people told me about it, right?
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, that's, you know, in a way, that's what they want.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wants like, Chris Sims was really good at this.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He would, he put out some kind of rage bait stuff, right?
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I have done things in the past where I have done some level of rankings, but you better believe I've got a process.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I, I use tears.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's because to me, there's a, there are breaks in any kind of list, if you are putting out a ranking and you're not, and you're not putting in those tears or those breaks, you're doing a disservice because I might have three guys that I think are, you know, that the top of the top.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a break.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I need to I need to show that.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so really what I'm saying is one two and three, you could argue with me and rank them any way you want, but I'll tell you what I'm not putting any of those three below anybody in that next year.
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to go, you know, here's like the next six guys right.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, same there, I can argue any of those six are actually the number four or the number nine right like you you'll pick your flavor whatever and then there's a break right and and so any any ranking that doesn't use tiers doesn't use a process and it's garbage stuff rankings can be used they're fine like but you have to have some level of process and I feel like basically when we get done with the draft.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is all we get for content for a vast majority of a lot of the national level outlets, and all of us guys, this is what we get.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just get people throwing rankings against the wall and try to generate some sort of buzz because it's a 24-7 new cycle in NFL Neverlands.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: NFL never ends.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We do these rankings.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do the most important bears like you said to you, what's my process?
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I look, I come out and say, look, my process is going to be different in your process and that's part of the process.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: My most important ten bears may not be the same when you feel, you know, you may not put Dennis down in your list.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have, I have, I have my mind, you may only have players on your list, you know, like you said, the player rankings, you know, it's like,
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, some guys put thought into it.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some guys just don't.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some guys don't even bother with it.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like, that's all we're going to go by and look as bear's fans.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: If Caleb would have been not on the list, we would have been living with a bit of a pissed off.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: That would have been an article.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: We all would have written all of our social media how dare they not put the ice man on top 100.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: They did not see what he did last year.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's 51 and that's still pissed off some bear's hands.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, you know, like you said,
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just fun, you know, popcorn movie kind of stuff.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's all this is, just fun stuff.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy it for what it is.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't put too much deep thought into it, right?
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just look at the list or don't look at the list.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, they want from CBS Sports, I want not clicking on some bull crap like, come on dude, like I saw people talk about it on social media.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I knew what that was.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's down there by Henry Ruggs, right, who's in jail.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what are we doing here?
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, seriously, this we're going to rank Caleb down there.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this guy is just just rage baiting to trying to do it.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then some of it is, they're just, it's how it's presented by the social media team, right?
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we mentioned in our chat, this whole thing with Pat McAfee.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have Hester on his top partners.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not clicking on that crap either.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Later, I found out they took him off.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was in a tier.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: above the rest, so we wasn't ranked.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that makes more sense.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll go back and list that now.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But these social media guys, they're just trying to get you to click.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to earn your Elon bucks through Twitter.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to get Instagram the pop off.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's all they want to do.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't get too worked up over the list.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: List season, list to Palooza, whatever you want to call it.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: As an aside, I will tell you that the idea of taking Devon off the list and saying like this is the Devon Esther list because he's not eligible because he's so it's so good.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually like it was presented poorly was presented poorly.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I I have thrown out there like when we have done the like historical drafts.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did not participate in this last one.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: that I think Peyton shouldn't be knowledgeable because he influences all to Peyton influences so many voters that he's worth way too much and it's just be like, you know, no one gets Walter.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's just like he's thought of too highly, he's too good, like he's it's his own thing, right?
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's just kind of like be exempt from the exercise.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we could do the exercise with like no Hall of Famers and then you know, maybe that would be interesting.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like just he's such he is such a he's so important to so many people that people just like they they see Walter on the list and I stop thinking about it and they go vote for Walter's team, you know, I mean if you're smart you just say Walter's team, I don't know what Jack made this call them team sweetness.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Team sweet.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He lost this year because Brian had a Caleb.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: He got the Caleb rub, but he got Steve.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: My mom would make Michaels.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Missed make Michael tweeted out to go vote for this team because Yeah, man goes on this.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a pretty close vote.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jack had a slightly.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Mrs. Mick Michael put out a tweet that said go vote for for team Mongo here.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden Jack lost by 10 votes or something like that.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's that's a pretty good story.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's pretty great.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So all right.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll go into the next one.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's your next one?
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Finally, not a term for me during draft season when you got fans or even some analysts, they'll talk about their player in the context of a former player because he wore the same helmet, right?
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Drake may as not Mitch Tribisky.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: But during that lead up to that draft, all we heard of, it's the next Mitch Tribisky.
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another North Carolina quarterback we can't do that, right?
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what are we doing here?
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It sits, one of those things is just, if that is in your scouting importance, that is in your tweet, if that is anything you talk about a draft prospect, I immediately ignore you.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I assume you're more on I don't bother with listening anything else you have to say because there's no comparison you know you can't compare the two you know different players different teams different coaches right different skill sets what are we doing here you know scout the player on his merits not on.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mayor, it's a player that played 15 years ago.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: The same thing we heard with, you know, you can't draft another Boisie State player.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You get the next Shane McLean.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: What, why?
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because Shane McLean played for the Bears 15 years.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come get out of here with that crap, you know?
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stop scouting the helmet, scout the player.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jake, Jake McFonday's big on this too.
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: He, this Erks, this shit out of him, I know this.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: See, I've talked about it, he can't stand it.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this is what a lot of fans do, and again, a lot of analysts.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: They put this in their scouting reports.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, why get that out of your useless information?
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as someone who basically doesn't watch college football anymore, stop watching a long time ago, it always is really funny how much like things get pulled from the college ranks into, you know, certainly the scouting process and the draft process and how much good feelings bad feelings, whatever it is, based on that.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will like, here's the like, I'm going to turn it back to you just a little bit.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's go.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I need to be a little
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if there is a college program that has been consistently turning out a specific position group, and here's their next guy.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's worth noting, right?
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, Logan Jones,
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, interior offensive linemen from the Hawkeyes, right?
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and you've got a program that's continuing to to do this and put in offensive linemen into the league, Kirk Forens, you know, has that pro experience he's been doing this a really long time and he comes out and says,
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: this guy's good, like this guy's real good, right?
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's something I think you can hang your head on.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's obviously the Hawkeyes have a lot of tight ends in the league too.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just a really good history there, but there are those schools, Miami for years was putting a lot of defensive backs into the league, at a high, high, high, you know, success rate, they had a high hit rate in the draft.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that there are certain programs that because they've put players into the NFL, those high school kids see that.
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: They play that position.
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They want to get to the league.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They end up choosing to go to those schools.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those coaches are good at getting those guys prepared.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it does come in a little bit of a factory.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a positive slant to what you're talking about.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're talking about a lot of times like that.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't work out for us.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, you know, we're not going to draft the next Mitchell Trubiski because this guy wants to North Carolina so screw him, right?
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's, I do think that there is like a flip side of it where it can be a positive thing.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're thinking about it from the perspective of this program has a consistent success at this position group, whatever.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's that consistency talking about a lot of the consistency's because it's same coaching staff or the same coach a lot, maybe it was a guy there 15, 20 years.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: He stepped down, but his his guy took over that he groomed.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's the same philosophy.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the great example is the Hawkeye alignment, you know, for years that was gone to badgers were turned out off of deployment year after year or two.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there are some schools where that if you're going to get a guy from there, you know, he's well coached.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: They coach a pro style right that always helps you know look for guys and NFL.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that always helps.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's that's a good.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the positive flip side, not being the negative connotation that I'm pissed off.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't just kind of guy because you don't like some like the previous guy from that school like that that I think is unfair to that person.
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although this is the fan base that booed.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Lenin before he threw a pass, but they booed him at a Cubs game, and then they booed Mitchell Cherbisky at a bull's game.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe I have that right.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Same off season.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everybody, it's okay.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just love to boo.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: This fan base sometimes.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They look.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot of booing lately.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, pretty, pretty excited about this team right now.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, quick break other side of it.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll finish off this list, and then we're going to get to some contributions
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get back.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The number eight, this is mine, PFF grades.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have talked about this so much on this show.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, so if you've been following us for a long time, you know this one for me.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stop using them, stop it when it makes your point, stop it when you get mad at them, stop it, just stop it.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole idea of the grades,
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: years ago, the guy that was created PFF, somebody asked him about the grades and he's like, it's for it's for it's marketing.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's social media.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: People people latch on to it.
• 34:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He admitted it said the quiet part allowed in terms of the PFF grades, but it is
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: impossible for me, particularly for like offensive linemen, and this is where I come back to all the time, but it's impossible for me to believe that you know what everybody's responsibility is on every single play, on every single check, you know, what the line call is, you know, so you would have to have former offensive line coaches being paid very little, because like these guys that are
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But be willing to just go in and do this and be able to be willing to put the grades down.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you would have to have that level of consistency across all 32 teams all 17 weeks.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then then you would have a data set that you would feel comfortable with.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is no way they're up to that standard.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a book that I read years ago.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Tim Ryan was the guy's name that wrote it.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, guy played in the 90s, maybe.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about, had this, there was this play, there was like, he played defense and it was like a big, like, play that got broke, broke up in the game, you know, whatever, bummer situation, but basically the linebacker blew his assignment.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a, he's a defensive lineman and he came home and his wife was like, oh, like, you know, basically, like, I'm really sorry about about your screw up.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, what are you talking about?
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, on the broadcast, they said that this was your fault.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, excuse me, like, no, my responsibility on that play is this and that's what I did and like this guy just ran the wrong way and it opened up this hole and it's a big play.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was, it's one of those things where that's a knowledgeable person that's in the booth.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They know football.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've been around football their whole life.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those color guys played in the NFL for a long time.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, almost without exception.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they just didn't see it right.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't see it the right way.
• 36:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they assigned blame to someone who didn't deserve it.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that happens to even people that really, really know the game.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just find it really hard to believe that these things could have any real accuracy.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they get used like they are just the most iron-clad argument on who's good.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's been bear's players in the past that think have been really good to see.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: how this plays out.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Amos, Adrian Amos is the guy that sticks out the most to me.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was always really highly graded by PFF.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, well, he never really made a lot of mistakes.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of like, where are you to expect them to be?
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so he's a smart player and to give Amos credit.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a good thing to be, solid player.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was like, he didn't make a mistake, but he never made any big plays.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so he never made anything that like kind of there was no like wow place well over the course of a season he was rated really really high and it's like well now you're grading whoever's been grading this person and your grading system has a bias towards avoiding the negatives and it doesn't reward going out and making big place
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're scoring into this direction.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's like another level of it.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, do you agree with that philosophy?
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you agree with that philosophy, then okay, I guess this is showing you that level of player for that position.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have to figure that out for all of those positions.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what it is that they're actually trying to like grade four and promote.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think there's it's so much deeper than this.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think anybody
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: ever that shares this stuff out anybody ever stops to actually think about what they're sharing it's just like oh see this guy's good oh see this guy's bad it's like I don't even know that you understand what you're sharing stop doing it.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I occasionally would use them in articles because they provide some context I know fans like them we have it every year we'll have someone right up in article here the top graded bear players type graded through PFF because that that's the
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: There are other servers to start and to do it, or start and to do some stuff.
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's hard to know what the assignment is.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like what are we comparing this to?
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then like you said, is if this guy's grading the bear's game, what game's grading next week, right?
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: So now it's, it may be something a total different scheme, total different assignment.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I love that story about the assignment with Tim Ryan, because, yeah, I mean, if you're playing outside linebacker, for example, and there's a tight in motion
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now you're assignment may change based on the offense alignment, right?
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the analyst in the booth didn't catch this, right?
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's something he didn't notice.
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he just looked at it and said, oh, he went the wrong way.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if the titans flex, then I have to cover this gap and, you know, that open this gap, the lineback of supposed to come up with, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of nuance to this.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's a great game, right?
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's so much nuance, and that's why I always preference my sackwatch these years.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I don't know what the hell the bear's supposed to do.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm judging my blame.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: based on what I think it could be.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Only one of those for sure are the bears, right?
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Caleb takes a sack here, my analysis, oh, he probably should have done this.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson analysis says, no, that this was on this because this guy ran the wrong route, right?
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, we don't know, I don't know.
• 39:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: No one knows, only the team knows.
• 39:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: But these grades, and I know Jacob's doing stuff at Pro Football,
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell is this both football network network.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, both of them network.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know they chatted name change It's always trips me up, but they have these impact grades, right?
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there are more sites starting to do these grades and hopefully we'll have more because I'm like you man I can't stand PFF being the the gospel.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the gospel, you know players players like him when it's good But when the grades are bad players ate them, right?
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: No one.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Sonny and I football, Chris Collins was in the booth.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had the controlling percentage and then they put their player rank on the underneath when they did their little introduction.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wants to be like PFF rank 44 out of 60 safety, you know, whatever.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like that guy probably doesn't love that.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like this this sucks.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it just, I don't know.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate the whole thing.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Next one.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one is my favorite
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, look, the uniforms the bears are gonna have.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: They may have a white-on-white.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: This year, they've had white-on-white in the past, right?
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that the bears have done in the past.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've worn white-on-white when I'm in a road.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now we got a lot of people looking to have the bears who went out white and what do you hear everyone say?
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the polar bear, you know, form.
• 41:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The bears are not polar bears.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brown bears?
• 41:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at Staley, what color is Staley's fur?
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a brown bear.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's Ersis, Ectoris, right?
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some people believe the bears are based on a grizzly bear, which is another version of a brown bear, Ersis, Ectoris, Horabilius.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's my Latin good, J.B. You have to tell me, it sounds good.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds good.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pollabair is a different species of a bear.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't just change your clothes and change your species.
• 41:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not how this works.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: These are not polar bears.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: They are just still Chicago bears.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: They are not Ursus, Martimus, okay.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pollabair is a marine mammal, okay.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is not what this Kaggle bears are there's Kaggle bears are there's Kaggle bears they're brown bears they're grizzly bears You know Maybe they're black bears you know, but they're sure is how are not polar bears?
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: This cuz they have a different uniform on so and I am hoping that the bears don't reveal this this New Nike uniform coming up here with it's coming The rumor is gonna be white and white which I think looks fresh and clean.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like the way that looks
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope they don't come out and call it a polar bear.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope they don't call it polar frees.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Something with a freeze in it because of Kayla.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like ice, man.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got the ice.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: They call it polar bear.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get so much shit on online because I have been harping this for years.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hate it.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stop calling it a polar bear look.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chicago bears are not
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't get all the bears, right?
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: They can't come out and black and white and say, we're the panda bears now.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're brown bears.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't just change it because of your outfits.
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I say this one.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love this rant.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is my favorite rant because it's so niche niche and so random and I just I'd love it.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like to me like it's they say they're not the enough to Chicago Grizzlies right there they're the Chicago Bears and so like you could make an argument that does cover all of the bears and so I you know I'm I don't hate it, but I don't like.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm not running out there the same polar bear look, right?
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it just, if I do is because I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to get you done that.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You thrown a polar bear tweet at me before and I'm like, oh, it's another effort.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm baiting you.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know you are, yeah.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely not like, you know, it's, it's coming out of just wanting to see this ramp.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So glad we finally got it on film.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of language.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what this is.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is like a barbershop thing or something like, but this, the hyperbolic language in general.
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it goes two directions.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: One is, I'm so sick of the word goat the greatest of all time and constantly having these debates and like in the quickness with which people want to anoint the new goat.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And talk about like, oh, it's got, oh, it's great.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's the best of all today.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be the best of all time, or he is the best of all.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, just wait until his career is over.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we can talk about like where he fits in the pantheon, but we don't need to do this greatest of all time conversation all the time.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's exhausting to me.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really make a lot of sense.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every once in a while, let's sit down and have that conversation.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it constantly being debated?
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a basketball thing that has come over into football more than in my opinion, this is a conversation that basketball people would have.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't care for basketball basketball does I have no very little I don't need like I watched Jordan in the 90s I don't I don't I don't need nothing after that right like I don't I barely know any of these guys just say Michael Jordan's ago it's a thanks
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, the conversation should be over, right?
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's enough.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it feels like that's the kind of thing that's constantly being talked about in basketball circles.
• 45:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's kind of come into football circles.
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just like, okay, like we can talk about live it.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do we have to keep talking about it though?
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is this something that we just have to talk about all the time?
• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seems a little silly.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then if a guy's not great,
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's almost like, well, he has to be the greatest full-time and we'll have those conversations.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's not that, then this guy sucks.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: This guy's terrible.
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, look at a bell curve folks.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what most players, like, most players are average.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be an average football player.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is like, that is great.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a, that's a nice career for that person.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to, they're going to make a lot of money.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to help your team average players are important.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: above average players.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got a lot of below average players that the number of people that you talk about in the goat conversation, honestly, as about equivalents to the number of people that you should talk about in the he sucks conversation.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And over the years that we have done this podcast, how many people do you think that we've really talked about in terms of like, this guy is really bad at football.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He really should not be.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can think of, and I
• 46:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rashak Howard like the guy like to me that's like this guy like I watch this guy like the has no business being on the field I gave Sam must for a lot of our time I wouldn't even say he sucks he was not good but like I wouldn't even say he sucks like he just like he clearly needs to be replaced with the bears want to go somewhere because he's but he's below average and you I think the center of position is really important and so you need a better player the very few times where I have been like this guy sucks he shouldn't be on a football field
• 47:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like we're here in all this time.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: This guy sucks.
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's terrible.
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get him out of here.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, what are you talking about?
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a good football.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's young.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a second year.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's let's see where he goes.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or like, writing, well, that was a bust of a draft pick.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's,
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Early October, and it says rookie season, maybe we'll see what he can do the rest of the year, and rest of his rookie contract before we deemed him a buster or not, right?
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You might be right, but why do you need to get that far out ahead of the story?
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's let this guy develop.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the hyperbolic language is so boring.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why do we need to rush to conclusions?
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't have to turn in your test five minutes after it's handed out.
• 47:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Take the full hour.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: take the full hour to fill out your answers and go back and see if you want to change anything or whatever.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need, you don't give me extra credit points for handing it first.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like that too.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, look, the extremes annoys me.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I am very careful what I say, someone who's the greatest of all time, or when I say someone's suck.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when I say, I hate something.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't say hate very often because like these things here, I hate, right?
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't hate very often.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't say someone's sucks very often.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't throw around the greatest of all time very often.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when I do it, I know it means something, right?
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So to me, Walter Peyton, greatest football player of all time.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can debate that.
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can put him in a tier with some other guys up there.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do that for sure, but for me, for me, my money.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Greatest football player of all time.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You just credit it will athlete, so much you can do.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: But all these other guys that are roster, they don't just suck.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was doing the safety breakdown from my article, my training camp preview and I got to realize your Hicks, a guy that saw a bear's eye sucks.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's been a nice career out of himself.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was a seventh round draft pick, right?
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's played almost every game of his career.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: A few starts sprinkled in.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: just got a contract with so a $2 million contract to come back, right?
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a guy that a lot of fans are like, oh, he sucks.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's at a nice career, right?
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you're making the draft pick thing.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, people don't realize how often draft picks don't hit, right?
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: The hit rate and every round, yeah, it decreases as you go, but if you get a second contract out of a guy,
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're ahead of the game, because most guys you draft you don't give a second contract to.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of the narrative is, oh, you got to recign everybody.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not how things work.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, players get hurt.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: New coaches come in, right?
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: We talk with the DJ More thing.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson come in.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: All those guys that were drafted for Fluse,
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson is one of those guys.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Head flu's been able to turn things around, which we know was never going to happen because he sucked, right, he knew that we did pull out pretty clearly.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: We call that also.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So look, these players who are still good football players, they don't fit Dennis Allen scheme.
• 49:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't fit Ben Johnson scheme.
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not the culture fit for the team.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: They got to go.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't suck.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not getting a new contract, but now you look at Ryan Pulse's draft record.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he, this guy didn't resign.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He Ryan Pulse must suck now.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, but maybe not.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it just wasn't a good fit for the new scheme.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the, uh, there's another story there is you should have fired Flues before we talk about.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have been Jackson in the year before we talked about.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't happen.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, the hyperbolic goat, then this one here, if you've seen this, this might be a generational thing, and you're goaded for that.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're goaded for doing that.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Goaded, get the, that's not an not a word, dude.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Get the fatty with that goaded stuff.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not the greatest of all time, because you did a gesture.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not goaded for that.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when I first came out, I thought it was a bad thing because back in the day, yeah, it was goat was, you know, it's a thing, you did bad, right, I don't know who said you made a mistake, yeah, and they pin, they pin the game, the loss on you, that was a good, that's lower taste goat, this is the uppercase, all caps of edge, all caps of edge again.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this actually stands for your greatest of all time, right?
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it actually has, is it as an acronym?
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we do have that.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's our 10.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, plus they're put this up on when do you see the grid iron?
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I think we've ever had 80 comments on a fan post section.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So people wanted to join on the list of grievances.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we got a few that we want to highlight before we get out here.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll run through these.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: 73 free throws.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: No idea what that name means, but I'm sure there's a story behind that.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are a lot longer, but we're going to give you the just.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, he says this person says Super Bowl Sunday, why must it be a Sunday?
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why not put it on the Saturday so that I get the next day off, right?
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And my response to this was like, yes, absolutely.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it like starts late and
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: who's getting together on Sunday?
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we all get together on Sunday nights.
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's one of two options.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I prefer the second option.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: The one option is put on Saturday.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like stop with the Sunday.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like let's just, there's no conflict here.
• 52:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Take it Saturday.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: People can go out and party.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have big Super Bowl parties.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this makes a lot of sense.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: We get Sundays off.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or we have Congress create a new national holiday.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we get the day after the Super Bowl off.
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we call it whatever you want, but we get a national holiday, but we all just get to recover from our Super Bowl parties.
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't have to go into work and pretend like we're working on the Monday after the Super Bowl.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have two few national holidays in this in this country.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think we could we could stand to add a few more.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is my suggestion.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to get the Monday after the Super Bowl off.
• 53:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you right now, I'm taking that to stay off.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm already got my slip ready to go.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got my request in.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, it's gonna happen.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna take that day off the next day because, you know, especially for us that cover the team.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I say, we're gonna be busy with stuff.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just is what it is, but yeah, I understand Sunday because it's traditional.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: things change.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we got games on freaking, you know, Wednesdays and Thursdays and Fridays now in Tuesdays and so let's let's move it to Saturday.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'll be okay with that one because I don't think they'll ever make any holiday, but I'm going to the way.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's, you know, regardless, I am working the next day after the bears make the Super Bowl.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So regardless, whether it's national or not, I ain't going to be.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you got to take it off for a winner or loss like either way.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be emotionally ready to go into a day of work next day and you work in Chicago.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Fairdown and C.A.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming he's living California.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is just gripe is the countless.
• 54:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: services, necessary to watch all the games that are out of markets.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got them on Netflix.
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got them on Amazon, right?
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're all over the map.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if they're not local in your market now, he's struggling to try and how many I'll watch this game.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's also pissed off or why is he being forced fed?
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Lions versus the the Cardinals in California, for example, you know, what why is who decides that's what he wants to watch, right?
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this for a long time.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, why is there not an all-acart menu for a Sunday ticket?
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to buy the bears games that I want to watch.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: If a Sunday's coming up and oh, look, I live in Wisconsin.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to get the bears game on Fox this week.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're giving me the Packers, which, you know, I get it, because I live in Wisconsin.
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But why can I just go to a thing?
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Press by by that game for nine and a nine.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I won.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want the whole Sunday ticket.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not spending 300 bucks to watch every game because for the most part, I'm cool with red zone and I'm cool with watch whenever game big give me because I will enjoy a random, you know, browns versus whoever game because I just like football.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like pro football.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to watch that regardless of that.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: With CBS says, Hey, Kenosh, Wisconsin, you're watching the Browns today.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll watch the Browns today or I'll watch red zone because I want to see what's going on in my fantasy.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to all the card menu being California, he does not want to be forced fed this crap.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot out there right now.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's only going to get worse because it lives sports, especially life football is what makes money and so all of these groups want to get into the game.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I will I will say this.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: just to kind of do the devil's advocate here.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Prime vision is amazing.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You get to basically get to watch the game in all 22 and for football nerds, like I just can't imagine anything better.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying a lot of interesting stuff.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some stuff, I think, work, some folks, I think doesn't really work with the lighting up, you know, around a player's avatar basically to like show, oh, this guy might blitz, or hey, this guy's gonna get you first down, if you throw it to this guy.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's okay, but like I love the view.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love the experience of something different.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, like that pushed the all of the other networks.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, there's more that you could do than just have like one angle here to, you know, track up and down the field.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so a little bit of competition is good.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but a lot of this is they're not a lot of the other ones aren't doing this.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just covering a game.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're, you know, you're trying to use Netflix and you're just constantly buffering.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as I am, Netflix isn't doing a very good job of keeping up with this.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This sucks, right?
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I, I agree with the, the sense of it overall.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that the competition has been pretty good.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, we as NFC fans of an NFC team, most of the games that you're going to watch are going to be on Fox.
• 57:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because they cover the NFC games for the most part and then, you know, you're going to get like Sunday night game on NBC and be see I think there's a pretty good job and then everyone's a while we get one of those AFC games and it's over on CBS and you're like, How are they doing?
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't upgraded anything since like 1997 like what is like they're really bad.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, again, some of this stuff you're hoping gets, you know, pulls over, right?
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, another thing, this is, again, on the side, but like all the World Cup stuff with the field conditions on some of these NFL fields.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And how much better it is for these World Cup because FIFA as corrupt and ridiculous as FIFA is an organization.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: and the NFL players are watching their stadiums, host these World Cup games, and they're like, wait a minute, why don't we get that?
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb being one of those people too, and it's like, yeah, because they're protecting their players by putting this high-level field surface up.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like, a little bit like competition, and showing what can be done, I think is good overall for the viewing experience, but yeah, it's really annoying to be able to have to carry a bunch of stuff.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's only so many free trials
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's only so many times you can call a friend up and be like, hey, what are you doing on?
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing Saturday night.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You want to watch that game on Netflix because I don't have it or whatever, right?
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: That stuff is pretty annoying and, you know, there's only, there's only so many times you want to go to a bar to watch a game.
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You just want to watch it at home.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, but they're going to keep pulling money under your pocket.
• 58:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's, unfortunately, the way that that's going to be.
• 58:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Monsters of Penny Lane talked about strength of schedule is absolute nonsense.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all based on last year's ranking, which are relevant.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much to go through that NFL season in the NFL schedule is really short.
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really long for these guys.
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very brutal game.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They play 17 regular season games.
• 59:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's really long time.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not what I'm saying.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But statistically,
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is very little, think about a baseball game, being 162 games for a season, think about basketballs like what, 80 something, right?
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, 82, maybe.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, these are really long seasons where you can really see a lot of trends.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Football is so short, relatively speaking.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then there are just seasons like, ah, they get away from team like that.
• 59:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, the bears with the flu season, you know, you like clearly the theme,
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: get, you know, quit on him, gave up whatever he gets fired.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that team was just in a free fall, right?
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, were the bears really that bad?
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or were they more talented than that, but they just had stuff go on that really caused them that record.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, those strengths of schedule for the next year were, like, oh, that's an easy win.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you just go on the last year's record, right?
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a really good point.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: The strength of schedule using last year's record should never be used.
• 1:00:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Strength the schedule using the bedding overunders is way more interesting and important because that's somebody has put money out there on the line to say, eight of the overunder for the bears is nine and a half wins.
• 1:00:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, that now is a useful thing to use when going in and evaluating strength the schedule when the bears come up on somebody's schedule, right?
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you go through and do all that, and you take the bears opponents and all of their betting overunders relative to the rest of the league, that's a more interesting outcome because that's a little bit more real towards this year.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, using last year's stupid and it's short-handed and it's used at all the time by most of these national level because it's easy.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I agree.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This thing should never be used.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't listen to him when they do it.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I write it up, right?
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's people search strength essential around the option.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what fans.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very popular search term.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So at Wendy's Instagram, we always do an article.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I usually do that article.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But in my article, I always see how stupid it is.
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, look, and I was, and I always point out that the way certain teams were your prior, like, all the bears have a really hard strength against schedule.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the last, it was an easy strength of the schedule.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not when the year started, when the year started, the strength of schedule was high, and with things like top three.
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the year ended, and then it's like, oh, the strength of the schedule.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now that the games over, now that we saw how the whole year played out, they had a low strength of the schedule.
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well,
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know who cares what it was that you're prior to this year the bears have a high strength this schedule right it's going to change right team change you know players change free agency draft injuries you know like are the chiefs to chiefs without pat my homes but if you're on your schedule you're like oh shit it's patch from a home's well he got hurt last year so that wasn't the same type of game you're playing and so yeah I hate strength this
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll write it up just to point out how stupid it is in reference previous years where it does it's irrelevant.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a stupid thing to talk about.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do she long time, WCG guy?
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He can't stand the macho thing.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you gotta play her to you suck.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: We see that all time on our boards.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this guy's heard again.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He must suck now, you know, like, and then the whole injury prone thing, right?
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is the injury prone or is just having some bad luck?
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if it's, if it's, if a guy is always has his knee like every year, it's just me, oh, then knee again, then knee again, then knee again.
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you maybe you are in your prone.
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have something going on, your knee.
• 1:02:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: get it fixed, you know, so that annoys me a little bit, but the whole, the whole narrative that he's talking about is look, why would you put out your superstar that's playing at half, you know, level when you got a gang in a bench, probably plays better for you.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's 100%, play the guy that's healthy, sit your guy down, let him rest, get better.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that helps the game overall.
• 1:02:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cause look, I don't wanna see, then you guys out there playing what if he gets hurt worse?
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like now it's like, oh, see, see, you know?
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then the guys that say, you gotta play hurt, macho man, you gotta play hurt when you can.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now he gets hurt now, it's, why did you play him?
• 1:03:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was hurt, like shut up.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're an idiot because you flip-flop too much, have to consistency in your stupidity, and let's go.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good example of that last year was Jalen Johnson and I think what's interesting about the Jalen Johnson conversation is like it's hurt and he then you know whatever happened early in the year and then he's out for a long time and he's clearly not back but like the bears are like they need him and so he guts through this like and there are plays you go back and watch
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: his rough, right?
• 1:03:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like, yeah, that's uh, that looks like I could have done what he did on that flag.
• 1:03:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm clearly not someone who can play corner and believe, right?
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you just like, you just didn't have it, right?
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, but he got it out.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like, well, was that good?
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or was that, was that bad?
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, to me, it's like, it's commendable, but it also makes me very nervous because he clearly wasn't back up to his, his ability.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then what kills me,
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: is the narrative now around Jalen Johnson is like, well, he's not very good.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's on the downhill.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was terrible last year.
• 1:04:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was hurt last year.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't think that he's going to be at least a good corner this year, because you're judging him on what he looked like when he came back from a...
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, an injury he probably couldn't, shouldn't have come back from last year to try to help the team.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are guys that they play the year after an ACL or like one of those injuries and like, he's not very, he's not good anymore.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not fully healed.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he takes a lot, yes, he can get back on the field.
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And 80% of that player is a good enough player to be on the field.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not, he doesn't suck.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: 80% of him might get him like in that average below average, but he's like, these someone who can be on the field give him another year to come back from it, right?
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, some of these guys like they just age out, they're done, you know, that the injuries take take their toll and they're done like they sat their speed or whatever it is.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it depends on the type of player they are and it depends on if they can make that full recovery.
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm very curious to see what greater dirt looks like this year.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the older player, he may just be the end of the road for him anyway, but he's now, he should be fully recovered from that from that leg injury that he had.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the year that you hope that contract looks a little better.
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He knows that he wants to, he wants to play up to it, but it's that's one of those like, well, he did play through it.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just, but he wasn't.
• 1:05:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: as good as you might expect, because he set the standard pre-injury and now he's back trying to get through this.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's, uh, me and go all the way back to like Gail Sears.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You go back to you and go all the way back to Red Grange.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Red Grange hurt his game playing for the New York club against the bears.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: George Trafton injured his knee and then he comes back eventually for the bears.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not that good of a runner anymore.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really have that ability that once made him this magical running back, right?
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Gail Sears was the same way.
• 1:06:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't back was not the same guy.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's bottom medicine is so much better than what, what it was back then.
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But these guys still have to like have that full recovery.
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't happen just magically over and off season.
• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, completely understood that you have to just reframe your perspective on a lot of these guys and then also remember like they are humans.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like these guys are going to.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that guy, it's like I tore his moniscus and he, you know, got it, got it, clipped and repaired.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, that guy's going to have our threat as soon as knees in like 30 years, 20 years, whatever.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that sucks for that guy.
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, at some point we have to come kind of pull black.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like, this is a rough game.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: These guys are really going to have a lot of long-term issues with some of these things.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, remember Stan M.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who Stan and Ms.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Stan, you'll try to believe me.
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what it is?
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:07:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a football reference.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bear's stadium trauma drama.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of people that mentioned the stadium and somewhere in other.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the two of us have been probably the least interested podcast in terms of covering anything to do with the stadium.
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And really, it's like, it doesn't affect the vast majority of fans day to day.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also like, it has seemed so clear to me that this Indiana site, that's like a super fun site, that's like a, I mean, it's like an environmental catastrophe waiting to happen.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's in a wetland like this thing.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: never seemed real to me and that's also why they didn't do their due diligence beforehand is because I think when they do their due diligence they're going to be like yeah we can't really build a stadium here but it never seemed real to me and so all of this has just been to me a leverage play and it's just been trying to get some movement in the stadium but what I hate about it but I hate so much about it, Lester, is that
• 1:08:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: These headlines come out and go, oh, now it's going to be the Indiana Bears, the Hammond Bears, and the number of text messages that I get from Vikings fans in my life about ink and like setting me like t-shirts and something like that.
• 1:08:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, I hate this so much.
• 1:08:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, get your shit together and figure this stadium out just so that I don't have to listen to this and I don't have to be like, that's not what's going to happen.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the number of times, the bears are going to move to Indiana.
• 1:08:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are you still going to be a fan?
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the number of people with honest questions, because it made national news.
• 1:08:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't care about football, and they're just like, that's weird.
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears are going to move to Indiana.
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God, I hate it so much.
• 1:08:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just needed to get it.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's those casual conversations right.
• 1:08:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm at the grocery store, and I'm wearing a bear's hat.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm going to Indiana, I see.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's still the scoggle bears, whether they're five minutes over the border, they're still the scoggle bears.
• 1:09:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually Hammond and Gary, a closer than Orange and Heights, so it's going to go where they're going to go.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want it over with because I'm just sick of the narrative.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sick of the questions.
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: My dogs are here starting to go wild here a little bit.
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if I pop off to mute myself, but yeah, I'm sick of the whole stadium drama too.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll clean up here.
• 1:09:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're almost done.
• 1:09:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, Pups.
• 1:09:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So camp in 183, he's so sick of the selective application of the replay review.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not talking about the challenge file.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's talking about the when the referees decide that they're going to review something on their own.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who decided?
• 1:09:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you reviewing something that benefits the packers and you're letting this thing that happen to the bearers, you're not reviewing this?
• 1:09:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: who makes this decision?
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of it's like the eye in the sky, there's the XFL thing where they have that, that they actually are like appreciating it from that.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they should bring that in the NFL.
• 1:10:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: They need to have a better system for it, right?
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like who decides what?
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, someone in the New York office is making these decisions.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, why are you selecting it for one or not the other?
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why is this play reviewable and not, and that plays out reviewable?
• 1:10:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't I not throw a challenge flag on this blatant interference call that the ref missed?
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's just certain things that make no sense with the way the refsifixiate games.
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I agree, I'm much more to add on that.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You had one more that you wanted to just mention and then you wanted to give a shout to Jack before we get out of here.
• 1:10:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So MVP, 17, 13 mentioned, you know, forcing coaches to do 40-blowny interviews with someone on the way out to the halftime, who cares?
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why are we bothering these guys?
• 1:11:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing good comes of it.
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just can't respond to any way it's useless.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He also is playing football inside a dome that's lambda than lame here.
• 1:11:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: She said this, then this MVT 13, I hate Sean Payton.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Should we ban for life?
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: What?
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: What a shopping do.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: That this guy hates him so much on a bear's board.
• 1:11:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did he that he be smirks the bears in some way that I'm not aware of is there's something there was champagne that was a bad spare bear I guess.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand that one.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to mention up because when I read it, I chuckle of like banning for life.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was he involved?
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was it the bountygate stuff?
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was some people.
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he must be.
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay with champagne.
• 1:11:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stay
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You want to mention Jack, you want to mention Jack.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't have it up, but Jack had a big entry about Hall of Fame voting and references some of his work with his history crew and stuff like that.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's worth going and reading.
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not something that we would have to do a whole other podcast.
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if we wanted to talk about Jack's boat, we would have to bring Jack on and let him just wind them up.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just sit back and relax and then, honestly, all you got to do is just be like, all right, Jack, Eli Manning.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: There he goes.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot of Hall of Fame thoughts and there's a lot of stuff in there.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: The selection process, he says, is flawed.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: read his thread on that thing in and then this created this chaos and you've got the like, you know, last year it was very clear that Bill Belich actually had been voted into the all the fame, but there's a bunch of voters that won't vote for a coach over a player because they're in the same like the the what are the call at the
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: the historical player candidates are up against coaches and contributors in the same pool.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a bunch of people that won't vote for a coach or won't vote for a contributor.
• 1:12:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They'll only vote for players.
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you've got this like system that's set up that everybody's not playing fairly.
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: and that I thought it was pretty obvious a couple of years ago when they put up Mike Holmgren, who I think is a Hall of Fame coach, and he didn't get in, and I'm like, this system doesn't work, and everybody just was like, okay, whatever, and then Bella checker was like, well, obviously Bella just going to make it when he didn't.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, yes, because the system's broke, right?
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like the touch of the game that you didn't go on, right?
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not putting it.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: He can't be a first ball.
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think because he thinks that even if you, even if you gait him, he's just like, it's so overwhelming.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're like, yes, and you've got to put him in, right?
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that it's a lot more about this like, people being staggy about, but at least that part of it, it is interesting.
• 1:13:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Hall of Fame is interesting overall.
• 1:13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would run it differently.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Think of Hall of Fame like baseball Hall fame and they want super small hall and they you know it's like they just you know like a no-douder Elite of the league, you know anything tainted were out of there right so you know for me, it's like football is a messy game It's a big game.
• 1:14:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much that goes on, you know, I want I want assistant coaches in the hall
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think there's some assistant coaches that have moved the game forward in a way that they should be recognized they should be in the Hall of Fame right like I think that the hall should be to be big like I honestly I think you should put in five guys five modern players every year
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this should not be like you pick the players, but like you should put in five every year you should put in one guy that you've missed why I can't I think of the like the historical player whatever the the older candidate pool you should put in one every year and then every other year put in a coach or a contributor or like something something like that I think there should be writers and NFL Hall of Fame like I you know I think Peter Kings should be in Hall of Fame.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see why he isn't.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He brought more people to the game, gave them access, gave them insight, brought them along.
• 1:15:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They read their column.
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: How is that not part of the experience?
• 1:15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, like the hall is actually too small.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they should broaden it and they should make it clearer and easier and have like some pretty consistent things because it's about celebrating the greatness of the game that we love, not about excluding and making it like this small precious thing.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not football.
• 1:15:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Football is not small and precious.
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's big and ugly and complex, so let's celebrate all of it and get more stories in there.
• 1:15:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And get Charles Tilman in there, let's go.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, because you know what?
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: When people say Devon has to change the game, he did not change the game.
• 1:15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did it better than anybody else.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he is the greatest of all time.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did it better than anybody else.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Charles Tilman literally changed the game.
• 1:15:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Every week we hear about it.
• 1:15:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: differently now because of him like that is amazing and he did it so well he's the only one that's like anywhere close to as a defense of back you know uh with these turnovers that he created like no one has like close to him on that so especially corners you see safety's big hitting safety's that hit in a way that would be illegal now they'd be kicked out of the league halfway
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's that's the truth.
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He changed the game and he probably won't get in because Hall of Fame voters a lot of times vote on things like all pros and things like that.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so they're not necessarily thinking about it from that bigger perspective.
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So senior committee.
• 1:16:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the word.
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I could not think of that.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was given you the rope.
• 1:16:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew you'd get there.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Tillman is a good senior committee candidate down the line.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we've gone way over.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: We get fired up about things that make us mad.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully you guys enjoyed this.
• 1:16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to turn the page.
• 1:16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start talking about training camp next and all that kind of good stuff.
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's God's positive.
• 1:16:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm a good vibes only.
• 1:16:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I talked about it last year for this year started.
• 1:16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm covering a winning team.
• 1:16:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the rest of you're doing, but I'm covering a winning football team.
• 1:17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what this Chicago Burst team is at this point.
• 1:17:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm excited to get into another year and start a training camp as kicks out off.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you got?
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be fun.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a ton of stuff on our channel right now.
• 1:17:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got Taylor and Nick Moriano.
• 1:17:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: They previewed the camp.
• 1:17:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mac and Reed had a camp preview.
• 1:17:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bill Zermin was on there with Zach Pearson, previewing camp.
• 1:17:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there's plenty of bears stuff on the channel.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So make sure you guys missed it.
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Go back and check those out and we'll have more coming up this week.
• 1:17:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great guys.
• 1:17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us and let us know in the comments what your grievances are if you haven't heard them already.
• 1:17:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to see them.
• 1:17:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, see you next time.