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Sean O'Connell Show - FULL POD - 6-12-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Have it Friday, very bad day.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Happy to be with you, finishing off your week, sending
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  Speaker 3: you into a beautiful early summer weekend in Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 3: It is warm, it is sunny, a perfect day for
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  Speaker 3: the pool, for the lake.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe get out there, catch a fish or two.
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  Speaker 3: Just keep it right here on ESPN seven and ninety
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  Speaker 3: one FM. Later this evening, you're gonna want to be
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  Speaker 3: watching World Cup Soccer Team USA, the US men's national
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  Speaker 3: team in action against Pataguay down at SOFI Stadium in
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles, California, the beginning of our nation's journey through
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  Speaker 3: this World Cup, which happens to be hosted, of course,
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  Speaker 3: in North America, Mexico with three different host cities, Canada
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  Speaker 3: with two different host cities, the United States of America
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  Speaker 3: with nearly a dozen. And it's been awesome to see
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  Speaker 3: the social media posts, the videos, the experiences of Europe
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  Speaker 3: and especially travelers worldwide, travelers coming in and experiencing our
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  Speaker 3: great nation, some of them many of them for the
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  Speaker 3: very first time. And from the sports landscape, there is
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  Speaker 3: nothing bigger than a World Cup Now everywhere else in
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  Speaker 3: the world that is true here in the United States,
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  Speaker 3: it has not traditionally been true. I'm quite excited to
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  Speaker 3: see what the overall product.
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  Speaker 1: Of this tournament ends up being.
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  Speaker 3: I know that there were security concerns, and my belief
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  Speaker 3: is always that those things are going to be worked out,
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  Speaker 3: that will resolve itself. Those things will resolve themselves. I
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  Speaker 3: should say I don't know the team USA again. First kick,
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  Speaker 3: seven pm, Mountain Time on Fox on Peacock. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know the Team USA is gonna do much as we
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  Speaker 3: have talked about plenty, but there's something that's juice to
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  Speaker 3: it for me because of the fact that we are
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  Speaker 3: the host nation. It's a Friday, summertime radio. We're gonna
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: have a little bit of fun today. There is a
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  Speaker 3: serious delusion happening in Lubbock, Texas right now that they
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  Speaker 3: are the Red Raider administration staff, football team, athletic department, university.
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  Speaker 3: They're not down, they're not tripling down, they're not quadrupling down.
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  Speaker 3: They're just going like all the way through, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to get into like the the nth degree of doubling
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  Speaker 3: down and pretending that they are holier than now. With
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  Speaker 3: this whole Brendan Soorsby situation is it is absolutely bananas.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually so eager to get down there to Big
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  Speaker 3: twelve media days and just to hopefully have even like
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  Speaker 3: one interaction with anyone from Texas Tech, just one sentence
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  Speaker 3: of response. I want to look in the eyes of
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  Speaker 3: the Texas Tech people and see what I can see
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  Speaker 3: about whether or not they actually believe all the bs
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  Speaker 3: they're spewing about this Brendan Soorsby situation. Because it's not
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  Speaker 3: just the coach, it's not just the athletic director, it's
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  Speaker 3: not just the associate athletic director, it is the university president.
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  Speaker 3: That delusion has extended all the way through the fan base.
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  Speaker 3: If you tweet out anything right now, if you make
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  Speaker 3: a post about Texas Tech right now, some Red Raider
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  Speaker 3: account's gonna find you and they're gonna argue with you,
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  Speaker 3: and they drank the kool aid.
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  Speaker 1: And that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine because I guess I guess that's how we
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  Speaker 3: are with I don't know that's what we are with
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  Speaker 3: our teams, though. I guess though, that's kind of how
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  Speaker 3: you end up being sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: In any case, we're.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna play they released yesterday. Kirby Hocutt, their university president,
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  Speaker 3: sorry Kirby Hokuts, the athletic director, the university president whose
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  Speaker 3: name escapes me at the moment, Joey McGuire, and a
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  Speaker 3: couple of their associate athletic directors, one for like student health,
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  Speaker 3: and they sat down, they had a little roundtable discussion.
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  Speaker 1: They posted the video on their social media. It is
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  Speaker 1: truly a site to see.
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  Speaker 3: It is something that I know you've probably read snippets of,
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  Speaker 3: and I know that you've probably heard little clips of.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna give you at eleven thirty, We're gonna give
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  Speaker 3: you the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna allow you to listen to all of it.
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  Speaker 3: So you driving around in your car, sitting in your
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  Speaker 3: in your chair at work, you know, maybe climbing a ladder,
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  Speaker 3: doing some roofs, whatever it is you're doing on a Friday,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna have an opportunity to just get into the
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  Speaker 3: psyche of Red Raider Nation and the leadership of Red
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  Speaker 3: Raider Nation right now about this whole scenario. And I
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  Speaker 3: just at the risk of a lot of people tuning
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  Speaker 3: out because it's, you know, as convincing as any disgusting
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  Speaker 3: American political rally I want to play it all for
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  Speaker 3: you so that you can scoff and you can look
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  Speaker 3: around at whoever else is listening with you with incredulous eyes.
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  Speaker 3: It's bananas, and I'm gonna play the whole thing for you. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna play the whole thing for you. My guy,
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  Speaker 3: Zach's gonna play the whole thing for you. He's in
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  Speaker 3: for James Peterson today, Zach.
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  Speaker 4: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: The young buck is back? Dude. What's up, dude? How
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  Speaker 1: you been?
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  Speaker 5: I've been great, Just been busy, rolling sushi and just
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  Speaker 5: you know, taking care of myself.
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  Speaker 3: You're wearing the soccer shirt right now. Okay, So do
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  Speaker 3: you have a horse in this World Cup race? We're
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  Speaker 3: all we're all qualifier, We're all hoping team USA goes
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  Speaker 3: a long way. We all know realistically what the chances
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  Speaker 3: of winning a World Cup is for this US men's
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  Speaker 3: national team. So is there a team out there that
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  Speaker 3: has your interest or your allegiance.
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  Speaker 5: I'm always been a big Spain guy. I do like
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  Speaker 5: Real Madrid very.
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  Speaker 1: That is that your Real Madrid shirt right now, right now?
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  Speaker 3: So that's convenient in this World Cup that you're a
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  Speaker 3: Spain guy, because they're they're a hot pick for a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the folks out there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've seen like France, I've seen Brazil,
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  Speaker 5: I've seen Portugal. I would love to see Portugal win
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  Speaker 5: one and Bernaldo gets this World Cup and it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of like the one last dance in the way, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Bernald's never won a World Cup, has he?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he has, and I think that's I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's won the ballon d'au the Player of the Year
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  Speaker 3: many times. He's won championships, I think in every league
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  Speaker 3: that he's been in. But yeah, let's see here, Christiano Ronaldo,
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  Speaker 3: he's forty one years old.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, lost dance.
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  Speaker 3: This is one hundred percent in his last dance. He's
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  Speaker 3: won thirty five total trophies, five UAPA Champions League totals,
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  Speaker 3: two UEFA Nations League titles, uh ua fora European Championship.
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  Speaker 3: He holds the record for most goals and assists in
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  Speaker 3: the Champions League, goals assists in the European Championship, most
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  Speaker 3: international appearances, most men's international goals, and most men's international victories.
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  Speaker 3: He's the only player to have scored one hundred goals
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  Speaker 3: with four different clubs and finish his top score in
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  Speaker 3: four different domestic leagues, thirteen hundred professional appearances, but no
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  Speaker 3: World Cup as of yet.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: He Yeah, Let's see, in the twenty eighteen World Cup
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  Speaker 3: he had four goals, he got the Golden Boot that
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  Speaker 3: as the top scorer in Europe. But no, twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: two World Cup was his fifth. So that means this
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  Speaker 3: is his sixth World Cup. I think that's also true
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  Speaker 3: for Leo Messi if I'm not mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's also true for Neymar as well.
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  Speaker 1: I might be wrong on that.
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  Speaker 3: But wild Yeah anyway, Okay, so maybe maybe we'll see
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  Speaker 3: Portugal pull out the unlikely here eight seven seven three
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  Speaker 3: five three zero seven hundred. I've got a question for
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  Speaker 3: you when the World Cup, like I said, like we've
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  Speaker 3: talked about for the last several weeks, and and US
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  Speaker 3: men's national team starts playing to against Paraguay. So really
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  Speaker 3: for our nation, as those names, it really begins in
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  Speaker 3: earnest tonight. Obviously world Cup games played yesterday as well.
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  Speaker 3: Where does where does this fit into your soccer or
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  Speaker 3: into your overall sports fandom? Where does this fit into
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  Speaker 3: the overall bandwidth of what you've got to provide for,
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  Speaker 3: you know, emotional energy and investment of time and all
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  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. Eight seven seven three five three
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  Speaker 3: zero seven hundred. Reach out to me on Twitter at
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  Speaker 3: real oc Sports. I feel like during the Four Nations
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  Speaker 3: we all really jumped on board that American bandwagon, that
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  Speaker 3: patriotic hockey fan bandwagon. Obviously, the same is true during
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  Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics. During the Summer Olympics, we all become
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  Speaker 3: experts on whatever our favorite couple of sports are for
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  Speaker 3: just a few weeks, and then we forget that that
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  Speaker 3: sport exists for the next four years. Soccer obviously occupies
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  Speaker 3: a very different place in the international sports space than
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  Speaker 3: the Olympics. To Soccer is a huge deal around the world,
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  Speaker 3: year round, every year, all the time. MLS soccer has
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  Speaker 3: made significant strides in the United States of America. MLS soccer,
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  Speaker 3: for some of you out there, matters nearly all year long.
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  Speaker 3: The MLS season has been traditionally incredibly long. But the
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  Speaker 3: World Cup, in all of its glory, in all of
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  Speaker 3: its uniqueness and its special kind of we are the
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  Speaker 3: world global sports community flavor. How much bandwidth do you
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  Speaker 3: have for it. Pardon me with the frog in the throat.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing I can do that's going to happen all day long.
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  Speaker 3: I just got to.
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  Speaker 1: Warn you where does it fit?
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  Speaker 3: And I asked that question because we have less and
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  Speaker 3: less room now, not only because there are more sports
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  Speaker 3: and entertainment options than ever before, but you're probably busier
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  Speaker 3: than you ever wear. Life is more expensive than it's
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  Speaker 3: ever been. So maybe you got to pick up a
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  Speaker 3: second or a third job, or your spouse has to
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  Speaker 3: pick up a job where that means you've got a
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  Speaker 3: larger load at home with the kids and the home and.
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  Speaker 1: That kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Logistically, it's just impossible to pay attention to every sport
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  Speaker 3: you want to pay attention to. I obviously I've got
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  Speaker 3: one of these niche sports that takes up a lot
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  Speaker 3: of my time. I'm very invested in the combat sports world,
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  Speaker 3: the MMA world.
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  Speaker 1: I watch a lot of that.
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  Speaker 3: There's a huge event, by the way, this weekend, arguably
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  Speaker 3: the biggest spectacle that MMA has ever provided us with
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  Speaker 3: respect to the very strange Netflix card that we watch
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  Speaker 3: with the Ronda Rousey Gina Caronto thing, the UFC White
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  Speaker 3: House Card is happening this weekend on Sunday, and it's
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  Speaker 3: exactly if you haven't been paying attention, it's exactly what
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  Speaker 3: that title says. They are having a professional mixed martial
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  Speaker 3: arts event in the UFC. They are setting up the
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  Speaker 3: octagon on the lawn of the White House, and they
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  Speaker 3: are having a MEGACRD with multiple title fights, big time
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  Speaker 3: show pieces, and it's it's made a bunch of headlines
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  Speaker 3: in the MMA world because it's like the first event
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  Speaker 3: that the UFC has deliberately almost lost money on, and
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  Speaker 3: they're like patting themselves on the back over that, Well,
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  Speaker 3: we're doing this is just for you, the fans. Well,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way we could make money on this. It's
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  Speaker 3: gonna cost us sixty million just to put this fight
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  Speaker 3: card on because we had to create an outdoor arena.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be weird. It's gonna be wild. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're you got to go all the way
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  Speaker 3: back to like maybe twenty twelve, maybe not that far,
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  Speaker 3: but it's been a it's been a while since the
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  Speaker 3: UFC has staged an event outdoors.
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  Speaker 1: In this one is outdoors.
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  Speaker 3: So you've got like all of these these different things
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  Speaker 3: pulling you in different directions as a sports fan. College
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  Speaker 3: football has been a main driver here in our state
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  Speaker 3: for a very long time. Hockey occupied nearly zero percent
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  Speaker 3: of your time. Hockey was something that you just probably
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  Speaker 3: paid very little attention to unless you were the hardcore
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  Speaker 3: Utah Grizzlies fan. You were the NHL fan that always
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  Speaker 3: had the free space at the sports bar to watch
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  Speaker 3: the one TV that was on NHL hockey, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And now we've got this really exciting Utah Mammoth franchise
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  Speaker 3: that we've gotten to know a little bit, that the
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  Speaker 3: personalities seem to really fit the sports community here, that
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  Speaker 3: really seemed to fit kind of the ethos of Utah
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  Speaker 3: as a state, as a culture.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's taken up some of your time, at least.
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  Speaker 3: The Utah Jazz you've had an excuse for the last
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  Speaker 3: five years or so to take up less of your
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  Speaker 3: time and less of your energy and less of your
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  Speaker 3: money being a Utah Jazz fan, because why, there's no
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  Speaker 3: return on your investment. The Jazz have sucked, and they've
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  Speaker 3: done it for four years in a row on purpose. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And I give a ton of credit to the Smith
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  Speaker 3: Entertainment Group and Ryan and Ashley Smith for helping to
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  Speaker 3: find ways to make it interesting, to make it at
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  Speaker 3: least worth your time to take the family out there,
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  Speaker 3: reducing concession prices and you know, handing out thousands of
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  Speaker 3: tickets and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But it's been I mean, the.
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz for the last five years have been a
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  Speaker 3: glorified minor league baseball team. The minor league baseball thing
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  Speaker 3: is awesome. We have another we have one of those also.
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  Speaker 3: The minor league baseball thing is great, but you don't
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  Speaker 3: even care who wins the game. It's about taking your
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  Speaker 3: kids to the ballpark, or taking your date into the ballpark,
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  Speaker 3: or going and hanging out with your buddies at the
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  Speaker 3: ballpark and just being out there in the summertime and
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  Speaker 3: enjoying an American past time and having some snap and
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  Speaker 3: some food and maybe some beer if you're so inclined.
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  Speaker 1: The Jazz have been that.
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  Speaker 3: But now the Jazz are getting serious again, right And
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  Speaker 3: I don't care if you're a Utah.
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  Speaker 1: Fan or a BYU fan.
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  Speaker 3: Your team has championship aspirations and is really pursuing not
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  Speaker 3: only glory right now and not only relevance in the
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty sixth season, but also ostensibly positioning in the
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  Speaker 3: near future for inclusion in whatever college football becomes. And
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  Speaker 3: we know that that has more to do with your
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  Speaker 3: market size and your booster base and your university and
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  Speaker 3: your participation in things like AAU and whatever. But you
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  Speaker 3: gotta win, right because when it comes down to separating
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  Speaker 3: the wheat from the chaff, and it will happen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how it's going to look, but
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  Speaker 1: it is going to happen sooner than later.
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  Speaker 3: You want to be a team that has a case,
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  Speaker 3: that makes the case as to why you belong. And
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be harder if you have zero bowl
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  Speaker 3: wins in the last eight years, if you have a
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  Speaker 3: terrible non conference record, if you have a terrible conference record,
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  Speaker 3: if you have a terrible record period you go back
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  Speaker 3: to the last round of realignment that was sort of deliberate,
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  Speaker 3: in the last round of realignment that was positive for
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. There are a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who were just like, the reason we got into the
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  Speaker 3: Pac twelve conference is because of what we did as
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  Speaker 3: Mount West Conference champions, And some of that is true,
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  Speaker 3: that is partially true, but you had to have kind
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  Speaker 3: of both ends. You had to be a population base
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  Speaker 3: and a university that made sense for at that time
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  Speaker 3: a Pack ten conference to invite, and you weren't their
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  Speaker 3: first choice. That's okay, right, But Colorado had nothing to
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  Speaker 3: offer on a football front. The University of Colorado had
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  Speaker 3: been embarrassing for the last decade or so decade plus
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  Speaker 3: when that invitation came for Colorado. For Colorado was all
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  Speaker 3: about who they were as a population base, the market
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  Speaker 3: being involved, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So you're gonna thread.
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  Speaker 3: These needles as a sports fan, and you're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to find a way. If there's a pie, if there's
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  Speaker 3: a whole pie that you're gonna figure out how to
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  Speaker 3: slice up, Utah football's got to be there, or BYU
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  Speaker 3: football if you're so inclined, but you're probably not listening
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  Speaker 3: to this show.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 3: If you're a hardcore BYU fan, so you've got you
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  Speaker 3: got to probably at least like a third of your
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: pie is going there, and then another third is probably
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: going to the NFL because the NFL is king, and
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: then I don't know, maybe you're a season ticket holder.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you're at least purchasing some tickets to hockey games
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  Speaker 3: or jazz games. Now they occupy the same season. Really, well,
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  Speaker 3: do you buy both? Do you buy one or the other?
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  Speaker 3: You get a half season of each, you get a
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  Speaker 3: full seat into the jazz and maybe go to one
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  Speaker 3: Mammoth game or vice versa.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get into.
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  Speaker 3: Summertime and it's like, all right, man, I got the
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  Speaker 3: kids out of school, and I got a boat that
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  Speaker 3: I want to get out on and I want to
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  Speaker 3: catch a couple of fish. I want to go wakesurfing,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't really have a sports thing in the summer. Well,
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  Speaker 3: guess what, Here comes the World Bleeping Cup. So where
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  Speaker 3: does it fit for you? Is it the same as
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  Speaker 3: in the Olympics, or because the Winter Olympics are happening
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  Speaker 3: while you're in a schedule, while you're at home watching TV,
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  Speaker 3: well you can't be outside, et cetera. How much World
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  Speaker 3: Cup soccer do you plan on watching eight seven seven
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  Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred at real oc sports?
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  Speaker 3: Is it appointment viewing for you? Are you sitting down
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  Speaker 3: and watching it? Are you having watched parties? Are you
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  Speaker 3: doing the thing where it's becomes for the next few
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  Speaker 3: weeks it becomes central to your planning as a sports
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  Speaker 3: fan as a human being, or is it one of
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  Speaker 3: those things where you're gonna turn on Sports Center late
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  Speaker 3: at night and you're gonna see how Belgium and Portugal
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  Speaker 3: in Spain and France are shaping up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Team USA got a couple of goals today.
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  Speaker 6: Yay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm genuinely curious.
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  Speaker 3: Because the better this US men's national team does, the
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  Speaker 3: more folks are gonna jump on not only the US bandwagon,
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  Speaker 3: but on the soccer bandwagon in general. Success for our
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  Speaker 3: home nation will of course beget attention for the tournament itself.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a kind of.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Struggle in pool play and maybe you sneak out, maybe
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: you advance, and then you're out in the first round,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: does that then terminate your interest in the World Cup?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: For me? I was talking to my buddy Clay.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Shout out Clay, best soccer player I've ever met, the
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: mightiest beat digger soccer player ever. His jersey is retired
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: in the hallowed halls of Jordan High Athletics. Former soccer
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: five A MVP kids that was before there was six
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: A in the state of Utah, all right, went on
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: to play some college soccer.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I was talking to him about it yesterday, and you know.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It's it's a It's an event that three billion plus
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: people on the planet care about, and probably one hundred
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: and fifty million of those are Americans, maybe right, Yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I would say so. And for me it very much
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: is like the Olympics. I love these special events. It's
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: every four years, I will forget about international soccer. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: will not care about Champions League players, European League players.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I will barely care about MLS players for the next
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: three or four years. Now I shouldn't say that, because
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: this this RSL team is getting pretty good. They're young
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and exciting, and if they start making runs for an
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: MLS Cup, then I will be guilty of bandwagoning just
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: like everyone else. But for me, it's exactly like the Olympic.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Summer Olympics are Winter Olympics. I am all in for
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: two to four weeks and then I forget about bob
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: sledding altogether. Downhill skiing matters zero to me for the
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: next four years until we have another Olympics. That's how
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: this Soccer World Cup feels for me. I'm like, man,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I check every single day on this show how much
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: money is it going to cost me to get into
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: a World Cup game? Why am I looking at that?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Am I actually planning on going to a World Cup game?
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Is it something I'm actually going to book a flight
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: and a hotel room and deal with the logistical nightmare
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: and get a babysitter and all that stuff to do.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Probably not, but it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Becomes all consuming for me as a sports guy because
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: it is the sporting event on the planet. What about
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: for you as a jazz fan, mammoth fan, ute fan,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: cougar fan, talons fan, whatever you are, Zach, I'll start with.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You, what are you putting into it?
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I'm probably gonna watch my select games. Obviously watched all
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: my Spain games and the US games, and maybe some
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Brazil too. I would love love seeing Brazil play as well.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: They played really good soccer as well. And obviously Carl
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Ancelotti take it over Brazil is gonna be a big
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: deal because he was a tenured coach at Real Madrid
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: and then now taking over for Brazil. It's gonna be
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: interesting and curious. Curiosity is gonna kind of kill the
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: cat basically for me. But I've been watching like Euros,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: I've been watching the Nation's Cup last year and all that,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: so I've been watching soccer for like the last three
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: or four summers now, so I'm excited. And then we
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: got Women's World Cup next year, which is even better too.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think women's soccer is as entertaining, if
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: not more entertaining than men's soccer my opinion.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, maybe hot take for Zach just.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Because just good with the US coach. It's not really
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: European style play.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll also tell you why this is. This is
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Yeah, this is
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: a very American thing, right, Why do we Why will
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: there be plenty of folks who agree with you on
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: women's soccer. Women's soccer is just as good, if not
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: better than men's soccer. Do you know why people here
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: in the United States say that and think that because
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: we're really good in women's soccer?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and did you see did you just see
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the Brazil friendly?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: If you can win, if we can win on the
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: world stage, like if the US men's national team were
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: consistently relevant on international stage, and if they won this
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: World Cup or they won the next World Cup, or
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: they won the last World Cup or whatever.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Soccer takes a completely different.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Place in American sports culture immediately because just like with
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: hockey winning the gold medal, right, participation in youth hockey,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: not just here in Utah. Our our situation is a
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: little bit unique because we got a professional team and
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the infrastructure is being built up rapidly, but just around
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the entire nation, participation in youth hockey after you beat
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Canada and a gold medal game suddenly skyrockets. Because we
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: are winner type fans. We are fair weather to that extent,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and that's why for US women's soccer, we're just like, man,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: you know, it's women's tennis.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Also, a lot of people will tell you, you.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Know, why we love women's tennis in the United States
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: of America. Why we say it's absolutely comparable to men's tennis.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Partially because the gap is smaller in those sports than
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: in other sports from an attention revenue standpoint, but also
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: because look at the stars of women's tennis over the
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: course of history, many of them, plenty of them have
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: been Americans. The greatest ever in women's tennis, maybe the
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: two greatest ever, but certainly the greatest ever is an
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: American women.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So as Americans, we're.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Just like, yeah, dude, women's tennis is dope. The US
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: women's national team in soccer is constantly a contender, is
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: a favorite, is a World Cup winner. So we're like, yeah,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: man women's soccer, because we can win at that is awesome.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: If we get there with men's soccer, and I think
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: that ship has sailed, I don't know how we play
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: catch up at this point, but if we ever did
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: get there, then suddenly, hey, man, soccer is actually a
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: pretty cool sport because we want to win. There's a
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: reason why the fan bases of Notre Dame football, Alabama football,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Ohio State football, Oregon football, USC football, why those are
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: they cross state lines, why they're almost nationwide, Why they're loud,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: where they're vocal, while they're huge, while they're consistent for
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the most part, because those are the programs that have
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: over decades. One there's a reason why Utah football exploded
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: when it did with Ron McBride building it into a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: program that had to be respected at least in most
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: years nationally, and then Urban Meyer took it to being
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the most exciting upstart program nationally. And then Kyle Whittingham
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: took off and was just like, Yeah, I'm gonna take
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: this thing over and then you know, three years later,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Boom Sugar Bowl year, number two team in the nation
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: at the end of the year.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why the popularity of the team.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And the consistent sellouts and all that stuff was concurrent
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: with the winning. There are plenty of schools that have
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: like a very niche and tiny hardcore base of fans,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the alumni that are I mean, you could go to
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: a Weaber State game and there's gonna be one thousand
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: people that are at every Weber State game. When Weaber
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: State was great, suddenly the whole stadium was full. All
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: of us, to some extent, are fair weather and that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: does affect how much we pay attention to this Men's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: World Cup the women's World Cups act. To your point,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: the Women's World Cup will be watched as much or
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: more in the United States worldwide.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It's the men's World Cup.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: We know that in the United States there's gonna be
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that tune in specifically because we
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: want to watch the Red, white and Blue win, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: it's more likely on the women's side than it is
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: on the men's side. Ye, keep the tweets coming, keep
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the text coming. Eight seven seven three five three zero
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: seven hundred. I just want to know how into it
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: are you this World Cup, knowing where we stand as
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: a nation here in Salt Lake, here in the Utah area.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: A lot of people serve missions in a foreign country,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and you probably have some kind of like connection or
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: allegiance to Argentina, to Brazil, to France, to whatever.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Let me know.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. For me,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: it's the Olympics. I'm gonna watch this. I'm gonna be
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: all in. I'm gonna love it. I'm gonna take in
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: as much of it as I can. I'm gonna have
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: strong opinions about it. And then it's like cramming for
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: a test in college. You get all the material, you
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: cram it in, you study the night before, the next day,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you forget it. I shouldn't be that way as a
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: sports guy, I'm sure, but I am.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. Always love hearing from you.
• 28:14
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• 28:34
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• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Are stem cells and peptides something you can even test
• 28:40
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• 28:42
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  Speaker 3: fan out there who's been holding your breath to figure
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: out when maybe if this Outro Capital deal was going
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: to be finalized.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: It's done.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Private equity partnership with Utah Athletics and Otro Capital has
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: created Crimson Brand Partners, a new independent company that will
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: manage ticket sales, merchandise sales, events at rice Eco Stadium,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They're going to find
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: new revenue streams for the university. They're going to take
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: their share of those revenue streams. But the infusion of
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: capital now that this deal is finalized will begin. Expect
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to remember, the initial report was up to five hundred
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: million dollars of capital for Utah Athletics. We'll obviously have
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to hold our breaths, hold our breath, hold our breath
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and see exactly how that has distributed, how much of
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: that ends up in athletes pockets, whether it changes hiring
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: practices with coaches. Otro Capital is not supposed to have
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: any influence at all on personnel decision, player personnel, or
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: coaching personnel. I have no reason to believe that somebody
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: in a New York office of a private equity firm
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: is going to have any input at all on the
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: next open coaching search or that to search for a
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: wide receiver or anything like that. But the deal is done.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: It has been finalized, and that obviously is big news
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: for the University of Utah because you have to have
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: that capital in order to try to compete with the
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: big dogs in the Big Twelve and the rest of
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: college sports. The big dogs like Texas Tech University, who's
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: got all that oil money down there, and instead of
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: just going out and finding somebody else, they decided to
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: pour their money, their time, their resources, and their reputation
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: into Brendan Soresby, the former Cincinnati quarterback who was initially
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: deemed ineligible because of gambling. That, of course, is impermissible
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: for college athletes. You can't bet on college sports. You
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: especially camp bet on college sports for teams that you
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: are a member of. He did that while he was
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: at Indiana. We don't know if he did that at Cincinnati.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati should have suspended him last year. They didn't. They're
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: not without blaming the situation. Texas Tech has not dug
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: their heels in. They are now like hip deep. They've
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: dug that far in and they continue to pull out
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: the shovels and dig more. Yesterday, they released a video
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: from the athletic department. They're university president, their athletic director,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: their head coach, a couple of associate athletic directors.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: It's about twenty minutes long. I want to play the whole.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Thing for you, and then we'll double up on the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: break because I need you to hear the full company
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: line from Texas Tech. Take your notes. We'll dissect this later.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It's the Sean O'Connell show. Here's Texas Tech.
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: Hey, Red Redder Fans, welcome, Thank you for joining us.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: My name is Robert Gibnetti, Senior Social Athletics Director for
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: External Operations at Texas Tech.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Red Redder Fans, we know you're hearing a lot.
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: You're seeing a lot on social media, a lot of
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: noise about the Red Raiders, a lot of noise about
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: Brendan Sowsby. So we thought what better way to address
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: these things than to come to you with the people
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: that have the answers, people here at Texas Tech that
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: know the true story, know what's happening, and can clear
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: up some of the points that maybe have been garbled
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: in all of the social media news over the last
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: few days. So I'm joined here by Kirby Hokot, our
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: Athletics director, head coach Julia Maguire, our President Lawrence Kvanek,
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: and then our senior Associate Athletic Structor for Student Athlete
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: Health and well Being Grant.
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: Stowball, and President skivn Neck will start with you. You're
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: the boss.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Is you look at this?
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: What is the issue in how we are addressing it
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: as a university.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: Well, I think everybody should realize that first and foremost,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: our decisions in this matter have been guided by a
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: conviction we have at Texas Tech, and that is we
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: stand by and we support our students. Now, Brendan made
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: a mistake, we acknowledge that the mistakes have consequences. At
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: the same time, here's a young man with a dream
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: and a vision to pursue a career, and we felt
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: not to have the opportunity to pursue that career, given
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: the circumstances and the evolving changes in this world that
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: these athletes face, was unfair and unjust. So we are
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: attending first of all to his medically diagnosed condition, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: we are prepared to support him as he pursues that
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: career that he's spent his whole life working toward.
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: That's what we do at Texas Tech.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: And as a parent and.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: A leader in higher ed, I would ask that you
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: look beyond the athletics issue in here and look to
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: the individual who has been the center of this whole matter.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: And when you look at that, Texas Tech is uniquely
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: positioned too. When you look at our Center for Study
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: of Addiction Recovery, some things we've done for other students
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: that maybe doesn't get this kind of publicity that this
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: story has gone.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: We have a center for addictionary Recovery. It's been a
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: national model for other universities who have established similar centers
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: and institutions. So this is not something we've just started
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: to do. It's part of our legacy and our traditions,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: and I think it speaks to the sincerity of our
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: actions in this matter. We're doing this for Brendan, but
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: we do this for all students.
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: It kind of ties in to us as an athletic department,
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: our number one guiding principle, do.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: The right thing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: Talk about how we've done this in athletics in our
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: role going forward with Brendan.
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: Yes, I think you have to begin with the NCAA process.
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: Then follow that to the legal process, and then how
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: do we look forward? And if you start with the
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: NCAA process, when information came to us from the NCAA
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: Enforcement staff, we declared Brendan ineligible for competition based on
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: the information that came forward. At that point, there's a
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: reinstatement process that we began to seek for him to
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: be reinstated as a student athlete. The staff reviewed that
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: request and they denied it, and then we appealed it
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: to a committee that's made up of individuals athletic directors,
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: my counterparts, faculty athletic representatives, compliance directors, And what we
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: asked the committee to do was to look at the
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: mitigating factors associated with Brendan's case, as is stated in
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: the NCAA Handbook, as part of their process, they will
• 36:42
  Speaker 10: look at the holistic data and information with each case.
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: In this case, there was a gambling addiction mental health
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: diagnosis that was made, so as you look at the penalties,
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: also look at these mitigatesting factors and we asked for
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: that consideration. Well, the committee denied the request as well.
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: So at that point in time, Brendan had decided to
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: begin his legal process and I think here it's important
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: to note that Texas Tech University Texas Tech Athletics was
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: not a party in his legal case, nor did Texas
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: Tech or Texas Tech Athletics pay for his legal fees.
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: This was all an individual initiative that Brendan and his
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: legal team did. And by the same token, it was
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: not a claim that sports wagering should be permitted. It
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: was look at other mitigating factors, look at the situation
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: of a young man who needed help, who went to
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: a rehabilitation center, who was diagnosed with various situations, and
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: let's take this into account as you fact or in
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: your ultimate decision. NCAA. This was a legitimate legal process.
• 38:06
  Speaker 10: It was a judge that is not.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: From Lubbock, Texas.
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: It was a judge that actually lives three hundred miles
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: away from Texas Tech University. The judge looked at heard
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: the arguments and ultimately made a ruling. A lot of
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: people don't agree with that ruling, and that's their right,
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: but it was a legitimate legal process that he received
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: an injunction. So at that point in time, we welcome
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: brend him back to our football program with stipulations that
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: we're going to talk more about and our commitment to
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: his health and well being that Grant will talk further about.
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: But where do we go from here? We're taking it
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: day by day. This is a young man who has
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: a gambling addiction, he has anxiety disorders that have been
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: diagnosed by medical professionals, and we're taking it day by day.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: And as we go forward, each day, we'll look at
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: his compliance to the things that he's committed to, We'll
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: look at his readiness, and you know, he's taking it
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: day by day as well.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So it's a.
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: Journey in front of us, and it's going to be
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: a long one, but we're going to help him every
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: step of the way.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: Grant Kirby mentioned some of the guardrails and some of
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: the processes were in placed as you oversee our student
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: athlete health and well being, talk to us a little
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: bit about what the program that we put in place
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: and how it's going to be monitored.
• 39:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, when we first found out what was going on,
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: we contacted the facility that Brendan was receiving inpatient treatment
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: at and we worked with their staff. We worked with
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: our compliance staff to put together a program that not
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: only supports Brendan's long term recovery, but also put some
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: appropriate measures in place to ensure compliance with his treatment plan.
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: This was all part of his condition to return to
• 39:58
  Speaker 11: our football program. So this was a well thought out
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: and comprehensive plan that includes ongoing outpatient clinical care, individual
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: and group treatment and therapy. We've set him up with
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: a network of mentors across the country that have similar
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: issues that he can speak with as needed. We've put
• 40:21
  Speaker 11: a custodian of his personal finances in place. We've put
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: monitoring software on his technology devices that ensures that he
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: cannot place bets through that as well as monitor any
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: activity that he has on those technology devices. And then
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: we also have routine compliance checks that will take place
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: over the course of the next few months to make
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: sure that he's following these.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: Orders.
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: So this is a well thought out plan. Brendan's in
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: a lifelong recovery process. We're here to stand with him
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: as he tackles these hard challenges that he's going to face.
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: I believe it's the right thing to do, and it's
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: in compliance with what things we've done for other student
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: athletes that don't get the national attention that Brendan does.
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: We've done it in the past, and we'll continue to
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: do it because that's what we do, is support student athletes.
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: Robert, Yeah, jump in here. Grant has done a great
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: job leading our sports medicine and our health and wellness areas.
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: And our commitment to Brendan was made before we knew
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: the outcome of the NCAA case, before we knew the
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: outcome of his legal case. But let me say this,
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: Coach McGuire and I were in Houston, Texas last night
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: and we had one of the best turnouts and best
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: events that we've ever had in Houston, Texas, and Coach McGuire,
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: as he always does, did a great job. Everybody was excited.
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: He opened it up for question and answers. The first
• 41:44
  Speaker 10: question was a young man in the back of the
• 41:46
  Speaker 10: room and he raised his hand and it was Dakota Allen.
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: And I think it was the best thing that I
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: needed last night was to see Dakota Allen. And Dakota
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: said it made him so prout when he saw how
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: Texas Tech University was standing behind Brendan Sorosby because Texas
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: Tech University stood behind Dakota Allen when he was a
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: student athlete here when he made some bad decisions and
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: we welcomed him back, we helped him, we welcomed him back,
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: and without that, he said he would not be where
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: he is today, which is working with his foundation in Houston, Texas,
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: doing great things with the youth of that community. And
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: it was just such a moment there that brought everything
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: into perspective. These are young people that we serve each
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: and every day. An addiction is real, and it's our
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: jobs when young people fall down, to help them stand
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: up and to learn and move forward. And just seeing
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: Dakota there last night and him speaking out about his
• 42:50
  Speaker 10: journey and where he is today and the role that
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: Texas Tech Athletics played in it, it's what it's all about.
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: So kind of speaking to that the answer when people say, hey,
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: the worst thing you can do is put this guy
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: back in a situation that got him in this suit, all.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Right, I can't.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I honestly I planned I'd playing the whole thing for everyone.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I just can't.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: It's it makes me ill and I decided to cut
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: it off right there. Thanks Zach for being on top
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: of it. I decided to cut off right there because
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: they they by their own admission, right, this is the
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: lack of self awareness is truly stunning. In this whole
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: scenario by Texas Tech, they mentioned Dakota Allen. Now, if
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: you're a fan of Last Chance You Old Scuba Tech,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: East Mississippi Community College, The Last Chance You, the Netflix
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: documentary series, Dakota Allen was featured on one of those seasons. Now,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Dakota Allen in this conversation, I was just playing for you.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: They say, Oh, Dakota Allen was there, and he stood
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: up and said, how proud Texas Tech was. Guess what
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: happened with Dakota Allen. Here, let me tell you what
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: happened with Dakota Allen. To gote, Allen broke a team rule.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: He was busted for burglary along with a couple of
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: his teammates. He did something that was embarrassing for Texas Tech,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: that was embarrassing for himself, and he was expelled from
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech University as a result. Now the charges were
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: dropped because he went into he basically pled out of
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the charges. He agreed to join like a treatment program.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: What does that sound like a counseling program?
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: But the difference is this is da code. Allen, a
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: former Texas Tech red Raider. He started his career at
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech. He got kicked out of Texas Tech because
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: he did something he was not supposed to do. He
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: went to East Mississippi Community College. He served his time
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: and his punishment there. He did his counseling program on
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: why you shouldn't break into people's houses and steel things.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't do that anyway. Uh.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: And then obviously, just like just like Brendan Soorsby knew, hey,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be betting on college sports when you're a
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: college athlete. You're not supposed to be betting, period, because
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: you placed a bunch of these bets before we were
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: even eighteen years old. You were hiding your behavior because
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: you knew it was wrong. Dakota Allen standing up in
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: the back of the room and saying like, I'm so
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: proud of Texas Tech for standing behind the student athletes.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Someone should pull him aside and be like, you remember
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: what Texas Tech made you do? Yeah, they supported you,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: they welcomed you back, but remember how they made you
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: go to Scooba, Mississippi. They made you skip a whole
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: year at Texas Tech. Do you remember that, Dakota Allen?
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Do you remember that you did something wrong, you served
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: your time, you did the punishment, and then you got
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: to play at Texas Tech.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: That's all people are asking for.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: And the whole Texas Tech thing, they've gaslighted them gas
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: lit themselves into believing that the college orts community wants
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Brendan Soorsby to be cast out and castigated and punished
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: and reviled by Texas Tech University. I mean, go look
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: at the social media posts from the university itself. Listen
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: to that whole conversation if you can stomach it, and
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: they're just like, we support our student. No one is
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: mad about you supporting your student athlete here Texas Tech.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: In fact, the right thing to do is for you
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: to provide all the resources you can for Brendan Soresby
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: to overcome his gambling addiction. I'm not buying the mental
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: health aspect of this thing at all. If that makes
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: me insensitive and terrible, so be it. Brendan Soresby does
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: not have to play football for you in order for
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: you to support him, in order for you to do
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: what's best for his life, in order for you to
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: send the message to teach him lessons that maybe he
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: didn't learn. At home about consequences and whatever else. You
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: did it to Dakota Allen, who you're bringing up as
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: an example in your own conversation.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: You did it to Dakota.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: You said, yeah, man, we love you still, but you're
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: gonna have to leave here. Do you know how crazy
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: it is that they bring up a guy that they
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: kicked out of school as an example. Go ahead, support
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: your student athletes, Support the mental health of your student athletes,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Support the addiction recovery of your student athletes. A lot
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: of schools do this. We have seen Utah do this,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: we have seen BYU do this. You know, it's a great,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: great story Kyle Vanoy getting in trouble when he was
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: at BYU, serving his punishment, returning to BYU and having
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: a wonderful career at BYU.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: It's a great, great story. Oh yeah, that's a great
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: story too.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: You know, it would have been a better story in
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: the Jimmer Year outcome if Brandon Davies had been punished
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: for a a honor code violation and welcome back with
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: open arms and you know NBA success. He actually has
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: had a really really successful life anyway. He's playing European
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: basketball and he's got a great family, and like he's
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a wonderful success story, that.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: All of these things are great stories. It's not.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: We're not asking Texas Tech, We're not asking anyone to
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: just be like, hey man, it's got to be perfect
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You want the redemption story.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I want to see the story about the guy who
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: broke a rule, who did something he wasn't supposed to do,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: who was held accountable for that, and instead of just
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: like falling by the wayside and giving up on their
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: dream of athletics or whatever, they find a way. Brendan
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Sooresby would be a phenomenal story for the NFL supplemental
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Draft or my advice to him would be, don't go
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: in the supplemental draft, go play in the UFL or
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: whatever for this off season, and then go into the
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: regular NFL draft next year.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I promise you, if you're good enough, you're talented enough.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: And he is, go to the Combine next year, ball
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: out there, and the NFL is gonna go Are you
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: done with this whole gambling thing? That's what all his
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: interview questions are gonna be about. Oh, he's gonna convince people, Yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I'm done with it. And guess what. They're going to
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: draft him in the first round of the regular NFL Draft,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: and he's gonna get the twenty five million dollars signing
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: bonus Texas Tech. You can support him through all of this.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: You don't have to let him play as the student
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: who broke the rules. It universities, Utah, BYU, even Colorado,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Arizona State, they all make difficult decisions when important players,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: meaningful players make mistakes, they're like, dang it, you know what,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: we gotta we gotta let you go man, or we
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: gotta suspend you, we got to expel you, we gotta
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: do whatever.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean you're not supporting the student athlete.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: You can bring him back, as many have done, as
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Dakoda Allen was the right example. You make a guy
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: service time, and then you bring him back. That's all
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: we're asking for Texas Tech. And the fact that an
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: entire city full of people, entire university, of leaders, and
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: of participants in this whole debacle, they don't realize that
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: they're acting contrary to their own mission statements and their
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: own words when they don't have to say anything at all.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: That's another thing here, Zach. Why are the attorneys for
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech. Why are the board of directors for Texas Tech,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: the chancellors whatever they call him down there? Why is
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: the Matador Club not saying, hey, everyone just shut up
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: about it. The judge already made his decision, he's gonna play.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Let's just down and let's just shut up about it,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: and everyone can complain. And the guy in Salt Lake
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: City can yell into his microphone and just blow hot
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: air and nothing is gonna change. Because that's the truth.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Nothing is gonna change. I can yell about this every
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: day until the season starts. Nothing is gonna change, right,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: just let it, let it blow over. Instead, Texas Tech
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: is like, no, we're gonna We're gonna tell everyone exactly
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: how we feel about this, over and over and over
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: and over again.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think it's falsible because you know, the
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: outcome of the ruling is, you know, making a lot
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: of people mad, especially eights coaches, players, everybody's mad.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I get it, but you're you're making it too much.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: Basically, you're bringing too much attention to it, whereas you
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: just need to let it blow over.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is, but the pr here is the
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: worst it could possibly be.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're forcing Joey Maguire, who's a respected coach, to
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: sit down and lie.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't believe any of the stuff he's saying.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Kirby hol Cut, you don't believe any of the stuff
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you're saying.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: You are treating the rest of us like we are idiots,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: and some of us are.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty of being an idiot sometimes, but give me
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a break.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: The only reason we're doing this is because he has
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: a diagnosed mental disorder.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Really does he? Really did?
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: He get diagnosed with a mental disorder, an anxiety disorder
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: because it was convenient for this, because it was a
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: pr move by him and his team for this.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Is he a gambling.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Addict because he decided to step forward and get help,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: or he decided to step forward and get help because
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: his lawyers correctly anticipated that our BS system was going
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: to allow him to cry wolf about a mental health
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: issue and get himself eligible to play under no circumstance.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Has anyone ever previously been able to get by on
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: a serious mistake by saying it's better for my mental
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: health if you let me play a sport. Sports are
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: a privilege. They are an option. They are not a necessity.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Not in Brendan Soarsby's life, not in my life, not
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: in your life, not.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: In anybody's life.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: It is a privilege to be a student athlete, is
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: a privilege to get to play a sport period. It's
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: not something that you need or else you're gonna suffer.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Knock it off.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I cannot stand this because and we talked about We've
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: talked about this for weeks.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: We just had mental health awareness.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: We had the Huntsman Foundation's mental health people in and
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: the crying wolf thing. That's everyone who has to worry
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: about anything saying I have a serious anxiety disorder. Anyone
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: who's ever shed a tear because they were sad, saying
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: that they're in deep depression. You're crying wolf, and you're
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: delegitimizing the serious mental health problems of people who actually
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: have them. Brandon Soresby, you made a mistake, man, and
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: everyone else in college football when they make similar mistakes,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: has to serve a penalty. Even Texas Tech, when Dakota
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Allen made a serious mistake, kicked him out of school,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: said go to one year community college, get yourself right.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Come on back, Texas Tech. If you want to support
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Brandon Soresby the right way. Not looking out for your
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: own self interest. That's what you do. You tell them,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: can't play for us this year, man, But we want
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: you to go play in the UFL or whatever, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: we'll support you as you make your NFL journey.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: Next, especially with like the history that they've had in
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: the past too, like you just mentioned, like they know
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: how to handle the situation, and they're not handling it
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: correctly at all.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: So again I apologize.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I know I promised I would play all twenty something
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: minutes of that for you, but I couldn't stomach it
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: anymore because it's five grown men who are leaders at
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: a university, who are by all accounts, intelligent and respectable individuals,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: just throwing that out the window to support this one.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Weird cause hate it all right. We got to double
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: up here. We're going to completely shift gears when we
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: come back. A couple of doctors, I know they're in
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: the stem cell and peptide space. Now stem cells and
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: peptides that take it over kind of the personal health world.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: You want to lose weight, there's a peptide for it.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: You have an injury that you can't repair, there's a
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: stem cell treatment for it. But what application does this
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: have in athletics short term and long term? If these
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: peptides are helping you build lean muscle and lose weight
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: in their performance enhancing in that way, is that's something
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: that the NCAA is going to be testing for. We
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: got to get into all of it with the doctors
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Dolly Wall that are coming in. It's the Sean O'Connell
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Show on ESPN seven.
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: Dude, it's nice Sean O'Connell's show. You were home of
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: the best inside of your jus. Let's get back to
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: OC from a Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN seven after them.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, welcome to our number two of the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: You've heard me at various times, questioning, ranting, raving about
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: things like performance enhancements in sports.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: You've heard me talk about recovery, injury recovery.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: It's the CTE question that exists, of course, with my
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: two favorite things, football and combat sports.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: We're going to get into all.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Of that time permitting, and you don't have to listen
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: to me talk about it by myself because I am
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: not a doctor. So I brought in not one, but
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: two Aji and Robnie Dolliwall the Doctor's Dolly wall coming
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: in and specifically we're going to be talking about something
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: that is taken over kind of the personal health space,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: but I think has some serious sport application stem cells
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: and peptides, and the Doctor's Dolly Waller experts in both.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: First of all, welcome to the show, Good to see you,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I want to jump right into this because
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: we got about twenty minutes to try to cover a
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: lot of different things. My first question is everybody we know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: especially in kind of like my age demographic right now,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: is exploring like peptides. It helps build muscle, there's weight
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: loss applications, there's cosmetic applications, whatever. And previously, you know,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: those those goals were achieved with things like testosterone replacement.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: They were achieved with anabolic steroids, et cetera, especially for athletes,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: and now the peptides are filling up this space.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Are they performance enhancing drugs?
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: For lack of a better term, Doctor Revneed, I'm gonna
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: ask you first.
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  Speaker 12: I know that it's considered a performance enhancing drug, but
• 57:53
  Speaker 12: it's basically helping your body preserve your muscle mass, but
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  Speaker 12: also targeting increasing with tabolism, kind of targeting more difficult points.
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  Speaker 13: Like at a post tissue in the belly.
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  Speaker 12: It helps with android genesis, which means increasing blood flow.
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  Speaker 12: And all of them have an anti inflammatory effect.
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  Speaker 3: Can you test for them if the n C double
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  Speaker 3: A decided or the IOC or you know whoever decided.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we want to We want to test for
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  Speaker 3: these the way we have tested four steroids, the way
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  Speaker 3: that we have tested for uh, you know, blood doping
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  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Could you could you.
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  Speaker 3: Take your analysis and say, oh, yeah, this person's on
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: whatever read a true tide ye.
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  Speaker 14: So before we even get to get into that, we
• 58:38
  Speaker 14: need to realize that it's not a drug.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's why acids, that's what I'm literally a
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  Speaker 1: part of your body. It's it's something that's already in
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  Speaker 1: your body.
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  Speaker 6: Taking it.
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  Speaker 14: It's like taking a protein SHT that's really specific for
• 58:48
  Speaker 14: a concertain thing. For example, right, like your growth on
• 58:51
  Speaker 14: one when you're when you're younger, you're going right, it's
• 58:54
  Speaker 14: going up, and you're stone levels are great.
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  Speaker 4: But as you get older, those cells get lazy.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, reptizer away form these A meaning us is help
• 59:03
  Speaker 14: your body basically trigger a signal to go release more
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  Speaker 14: growth hormone or stosterone.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so growth hormone is a really great example of
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  Speaker 3: this because in sports it's kind of accepted that probably
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  Speaker 3: everyone in the NFL is on some level of growth hormone.
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  Speaker 3: It's really really difficult to test for it takes for
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  Speaker 3: as far as I know. It's like it's like a
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  Speaker 3: blood panel that you have to do it right to
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  Speaker 3: test for blood for growth hormone. So, uh, these are
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  Speaker 3: not things that they're like you said, they're not drugs,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: they're not performance enhancing drugs. They're they're things that are
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  Speaker 3: they're natural compounds that already exist in the human body.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: So if I don't know, some University of Connecticut athlete
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  Speaker 3: was on these peptides and that's why suddenly they've got
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  Speaker 3: the perfect six pack and the lean muscle is increased
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  Speaker 3: and the blood flow is better.
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  Speaker 1: Can you even test for it?
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  Speaker 14: So there's a difference in taking like for example, CJC
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  Speaker 14: twelve ninety five, which helps you release your growth wonne,
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  Speaker 14: or taking exogenous growth hormone. Okay, so you have like
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  Speaker 14: a there's like a cycle, right, so one hormone will
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  Speaker 14: release tell growth homemon to get released. Right, But because
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  Speaker 14: that hormone is not you know, you're not like affecting it,
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  Speaker 14: then this growth hormone is not it's just gonna be
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  Speaker 14: high without that being I for example, it's like the
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  Speaker 14: negative loop back. Right. So if you're getting taken exogenous
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  Speaker 14: growth hormone and it's high and this is low the
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  Speaker 14: growth hormone releasing hormone, then you know that someone's taking
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  Speaker 14: exhauginous stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But they'd have to do a blood panel.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, but with peptides, peptide is great because it's clean.
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  Speaker 14: It's just another peptide. Say, amino acid is telling your
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  Speaker 14: body wake up, release the growth hormone.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so think to that one.
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  Speaker 13: It it the way it functions.
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  Speaker 12: It isn't appulsatile fashion, so it doesn't negatively affect your
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  Speaker 12: feedback loop.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 12: So it's not saying there's too much and now let's
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  Speaker 12: go to the source and try to decrease the production.
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  Speaker 12: Is releasing in your natural rhythm.
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  Speaker 3: So because you have to talk to me like I'm
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  Speaker 3: a five year old, if I'm an NFL football player,
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  Speaker 3: and instead of taking these these exogenous hormones or whatever
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  Speaker 3: in order to increase these things. I've switched over to
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  Speaker 3: peptides to try and help with the you know some
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  Speaker 3: of the things that peptides are targeting, and then I
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  Speaker 3: have to submit my urine test.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't it's not urine related.
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  Speaker 12: I think it depends on what peptides, so certain peptides
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  Speaker 12: depending on.
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  Speaker 1: What you choose.
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  Speaker 12: We do have specific labs that we want to start
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  Speaker 12: off with. Okay, so you do inter Luken l R three, right.
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  Speaker 12: We can get baseline labs and use that to gauge
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  Speaker 12: what it looks like at pre treatment, during treatment, and
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  Speaker 12: post treatment. But there are no specific labs that's gonna say, hey,
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  Speaker 12: they're taking this again. Because it's the chain of amino
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  Speaker 12: acids that make a peptide therefore a protein.
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  Speaker 14: I think everyone should take them. Nothing's gonna come up
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  Speaker 14: on your urine. You're gonna be fine. These are natural
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  Speaker 14: amino acids. So this is a football you should like.
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  Speaker 14: For example, I have a patient, right, use x NFL
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  Speaker 14: play for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: All this fun stuff.
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  Speaker 14: And one of the one of our physicians that work
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  Speaker 14: in our clinic in Yorick was like, how come you
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  Speaker 14: didn't do paptize before it?
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  Speaker 4: He's like, because we didn't know them.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, you know about them, but we were we didn't
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  Speaker 14: have exposure, we didn't have you know, I didn't even
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  Speaker 14: know what that was.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, trust me, if I was back in.
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  Speaker 14: The NFL, I would be still in the NFL if
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  Speaker 14: I had taken these pepties.
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  Speaker 4: Well, because you have like wolverine. Wolverine helps with repair.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's what I mean. Like, there's there's all of that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you hear about it from just like your
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  Speaker 3: fifty year old buddy. All of my fifty year old
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: buddies are ex athletes, right, it was like, remember I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: had that shoulder problem.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't even play pickleball forever. It's gone.
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  Speaker 3: How do you achieve that all these peptides I'm taking
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  Speaker 3: or I went got a stem cell treatment or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, wait, so you were able to do
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  Speaker 3: that while you were a college athlete or a pro athlete.
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  Speaker 3: And it doesn't I mean, they're not regulated the same
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  Speaker 3: way that steroids are.
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  Speaker 1: For obvious reasons. They're not regulated the same way.
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  Speaker 3: So we're finding potentially a new frontier in sports, not
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  Speaker 3: only in personal health, but in sports also that could
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  Speaker 3: improve athlete longevity and.
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  Speaker 14: That's that was the point that I was making with
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  Speaker 14: the exogenous use. You can tell using outside stuff, Remember
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  Speaker 14: this is natural, it's a part of your body. Your
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  Speaker 14: body's releasing the growth hormone. You're not taking it from
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 14: somewhere else. That's where you use these like performance enhancing drugs.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 14: And of course there's you know, baptize help in so
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  Speaker 14: many ways now that we have, you know, and of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 14: course they're not regulated, and of course we're going through
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  Speaker 14: this whole with the whole geopolitical landscape, but they really
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  Speaker 14: do help. They've helped tremendously in repair like BBC TV
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 14: all that fun stuff, as you know. But one important
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  Speaker 14: thing I want to make is, I know it's a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 14: wild West out there. Everyone's just like, like you just said,
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  Speaker 14: your buddy tried it, somehow, you're gonna try it. You
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  Speaker 14: guys need physician oversight that sometimes if people take too much.
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  Speaker 1: I promise, don't get there. I promise, because it's just
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  Speaker 1: like anything else.
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  Speaker 3: And and again i've you know, I went from college
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: sports to uh, the MMA space and professional fighters. It
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  Speaker 3: is you want to talk about wild West because it's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: a bunch of poor dudes. They don't have money, to
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  Speaker 3: get the good stuff. They don't have money to get
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  Speaker 3: physician oversight. So people for all long time we're just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I got this like random vial of something that has
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Chinese writing on it. I don't know what it is,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm going to inject it into my body. The
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  Speaker 3: space now is getting in you obviously, and your clinics
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: are in this world where you're getting into a place.
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  Speaker 3: We're getting into a place now where you can take
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  Speaker 3: that danger out. You can take that guesswork out of it.
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  Speaker 3: And athletes or non athletes, if you're someone out there listening,
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  Speaker 3: you can do this within a very reasonable health protocol
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  Speaker 3: with physician oversight to where you're not taking the risks
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  Speaker 3: that you used to take.
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  Speaker 13: Right, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 12: And I think it's important to note that some require
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  Speaker 12: maintenance labs while you're doing your treatment. Right, we have
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 12: to be mindful of some peptides require a washout period
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  Speaker 12: four to six weeks after you're doing a twelve week
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  Speaker 12: to kind of reset and make sure we're not impacting
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  Speaker 12: the natural lease of your growth hormone or whatever it
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  Speaker 12: is is. Making sure that we're doing it in a
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  Speaker 12: safe way, and dozing is appropriate. I think that's some
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  Speaker 12: key is making sure that we're dosing appropriately, making sure
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  Speaker 12: we're getting the pre LIMB labs if indicated, and then
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  Speaker 12: following up during the treatment as well as post and
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  Speaker 12: I think that's very important to recognize, especially when we
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 12: could be getting things from anywhere, is how do we
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  Speaker 12: do this safely because there is limited long term data
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 12: regarding peptides. Because it is an evolving medicine, there's a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 12: craze and we're here for it because it is great.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 12: There's a lot of excitement around it because it's it's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 12: like a new form of medicine that we're not needing
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: to take all these other medications to get us where
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: we want to be. But just recognizing that again that
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  Speaker 12: some of them are FDA approved and some are not.
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  Speaker 13: Some we are lacking long term data.
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  Speaker 12: That's why it's important to make sure that we're following
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  Speaker 12: up very closely and making sure.
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  Speaker 13: We're monitoring for side effects. Most of them are pretty
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  Speaker 13: safe and have a like a good safety profile, but
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: some have a little bit more monitoring required.
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  Speaker 3: And Rebe Dolly Wall are our guests here on the show.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: John O'Connell show a couple of doctors that actually you're
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: opening a clinic where people can seek out these types
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: of treatment peptide. And I wanted to make sure we
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: get to stem cells because in the sports world, well
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: we've all read these articles about our sports heroes, right like, oh,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Man Peyton Manning's neck was gone and then he went
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: and got stem cell treatment, or he got PRP treatment
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  Speaker 3: and magically he's able to milk.
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  Speaker 1: A couple more years out of it.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't have the resources or the time or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not flying to Costa Rica. I'm not going down
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: to some clinic in Panama. Well, we're lucky here in
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: the state of Utah that this is accessible now here
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  Speaker 3: in our home state.
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  Speaker 14: No, it's amazing. So I feel like in America we've
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  Speaker 14: been so behind. Stem cells can be an alternative to surgery.
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  Speaker 14: Think about it, you're an m Meme fighter. I've a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 14: lot of Meme fighters in New York. They can't get surgery.
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  Speaker 14: Then they're out for like eight weeks doing pt on pills, right,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 14: just because they got surgery. Yeah, you know, complications like infections,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 14: all that fun stuff, right, and then guess what your
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 14: rank in them?
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  Speaker 4: I mean goes fast right, all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 3: You're only as good as your last fighter. And if
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: you're out for a year, you're you're almost out all
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: the way.
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  Speaker 14: So what if I told you instead of going to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 14: Panama and Costa Rica where you know CDI, Mexico, like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 14: Joe Rogan talks about it, we now have it here
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  Speaker 14: and now instead of doing that surgery being messed up,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 14: you can still see this almost well, sometimes better results
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  Speaker 14: was done, so I'll see sometimes you need surgery, but
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  Speaker 14: we can do that.
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  Speaker 4: It's a one time injection. If one injection can't get.
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  Speaker 14: You back to your regular life, back to you fighting
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 14: back in the hook, dawn, you guys, you guys gotta
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  Speaker 14: see some of my fighters. One injection. This is all
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  Speaker 14: it took Beck.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and it doesn't have to be an athlete. I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: actually was talking to my wife about this. After our
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: first child. She had some there's some weird neurological things.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: She's got this impingement in her back. Whatever it is,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: it's this, I'll be sad. It's it's this crazy situation
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: in her upper back where she's just like we've done everything,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: she's gone to chiropractors, she's gone to with the PTS,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: she's gone to everything, and she's like, man, I just
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm just gonna live with this pain for
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: the rest of my life. And then we had our
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: first conversation a couple of weeks ago, and I was like, well,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: we got to try to get you like, if if
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: we've gone through everything else, we should try the stem
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: cell thing, because it's your body's natural processes and maybe
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: it'll repair itself. And she got all like she was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: like teary, eyte excited about the possibility because when you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: feel like you've exhausted all your options and then there's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: this other new frontier, I mean, you could feel pretty
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: good about it. And we've talked about this with neurological
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: potential injuries. Right I'm in the CTE space. I'm in
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: the head injury space, football, combat, sports, et cetera. You
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: sent me a video this morning of a neurological patient
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: of yours that has like significant strides in recovery with
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: a neurological injury, and obviously those are crazy complicated and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: oftentimes it's just about slowing down like the downfall, you're
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: getting actual recovery.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, and our chief medical officers talk more about this,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 14: but think about this neurological diseases. You're basically turned slow
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 14: down the progression of it. There's no reversibility diss The
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 14: patient who's thirty two couldn't walk, add numbness, tingling.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Thought he was screwed.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 14: And we did do the treatment because stem cell therapy
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 14: and exzoom therapy and mute cells have shown significant recovery,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 14: significant the restoration of nerve nerves in for example, other countries.
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  Speaker 14: So I'm like, okay, we can do it here. We
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 14: did this protocol. This guy's walking again. I mean, you
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 14: saw the video. He's so happy. Thought his life was
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 14: going to be like this for the rest of his life.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 14: I mean, you're thirty two and you deal with that.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 14: It's not good, but I mean.
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  Speaker 12: I think also noting that again, a lot of stem
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 12: cells work at basically re regenerating your tissue, right, and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 12: so stem cells are ploor iportant cells that can differentiate
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 12: into other types of cells, including neural cells. So it's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: again it's using your own body to regenerate and repair itself,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 12: but also helping decrease the inflammation around these nerve cell
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 12: endings that can contribute to some of this kind of
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 12: chronic condition.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: And the reason I wanted to bring the doctors in
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: to talk about this in the sports perspective is because
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: like we've got parents that listen to the show, We've
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: got active athletes that listen to the show. You got
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: former athletes that listen to the show. And these treatments
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: are potential treatments. They're so far reaching in the implications
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: of like just extending your career potentially preventive medicine to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: where instead of getting that little clean up surgery, maybe
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: you get an injection and your body repairs itself. And
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: for me, obviously the neurological stuff, because you know, like
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: we were talking a couple of weeks ago, I have
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I'm forty two years old, I have the lower back
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: of like a ninety year old man. And it's just terrible.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 13: I don't well, congratulations for.
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  Speaker 3: You, and it's just it's terrible because and then every
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: time you talk to someone who's had back surgery, they're like,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: don't have back surgery.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Back surgery is so scared, The recovery is so terrible.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: It's such an intricate process that you know sometime like
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: the mistakes are there just don't don't have back surgery.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, so I'm just supposed to be
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: stiff and inflexible and mad for the rest of my life. Well,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: maybe this is a solution. So I actually did have
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: back surgery. It was brutal.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 14: I couldn't I couldn't sleep, like I really I was like,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 14: I don't say I was swopping bills, but I was
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 14: definitely using bills to because it's you can't function your pain.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: This is the most exclusion in pain.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 14: Then I'm like, okay, I got off for surgery right
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 14: the shave us on my back and still still got sattica.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 14: I mean, you're young. And then you're like, this is
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 14: the rest of my life. Then I had to worady
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 14: in my clinic. Right, I was like, okay, I needed
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 14: to get surgery. That's one thing I needed to do.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 14: Got surgery. I nothing changed. Then then I'm like, okay,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 14: I obviously have stem cell clinic. Let's wait it out.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 14: I did the PT I did everything. Nothing, just like
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 14: my elbow. I waited. I waited, and then I'm like, okay,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 14: I'm just gonna do stem cells, cause again we're not
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 14: just like gonna just do it's not like taking like
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 14: a multi vitamin. There's there's a process behind it. We
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  Speaker 14: do it filling up the injection and you see me now, right.
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  Speaker 12: So it's also important to recognize that not everybody will
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  Speaker 12: be a candidate for stem fill therapy, right. You might
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  Speaker 12: the disease might be too far progressed, or it might
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  Speaker 12: be that you need surgery and we're not going to
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  Speaker 12: be able to help. Stem cells can be helpful post
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  Speaker 12: surgery for helping decrease inflammation postop and also kind of
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  Speaker 12: help with regeneration of tissue. But there are there are
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 12: people who will not be a candidate and maybe surgery
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  Speaker 12: is the only option. So we have no problem saying, hey,
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  Speaker 12: I don't think we can really help you to prevent this.
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  Speaker 14: We did, Sorry, we have We have one guy who
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  Speaker 14: has spining cord injury, significant spinal cord injury, and I
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  Speaker 14: want you to look at their testimony after I literally
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  Speaker 14: had it was brutal.
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  Speaker 4: Now just one one one confusion.
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  Speaker 14: He's back to get like regaining his like functionality and everything.
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  Speaker 4: That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're the home of the utes, right, And a
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: lot of people listening will remember just a couple of
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  Speaker 3: seasons ago, two of the most important players on the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: team were coming off of reconstructive knee surgeries, and the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: promise was, Oh, he's going to be back, he's going
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: to be healthy. We'll see him for game one, right,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: and then game four, still not back, Game six, still
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: not back, Game eight, still not back. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying that stem cells or peptides or a combination of
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: both in conjunction with their surgeries would definitively have changed that.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: But in the high stakes world of athletics now, where
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  Speaker 3: these are both players that are now as college athletes,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: highly compensated, potentially it could have saved a half season
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: or a whole season, or at least part of the
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: season for these individuals. It feels like, as long as
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: we're in this new frontier, it should be part of
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: recovery protocols for serious athletes.
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  Speaker 12: And I think it's important to recognize that stem cells
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 12: can take about three to six months to really take effect.
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  Speaker 12: So when these athletes are starting to notice some kind
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 12: of sky for pain, not as the range of motion
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 12: is decreased, it's important to reach out and try to
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 12: look into stem cell therapy earlier so that they don't
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 12: lose time in their in their athletic life.
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  Speaker 13: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say let's say I've blown out my knee, right,
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  Speaker 3: and I have I know, I have to get the surgery.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah right?
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  Speaker 3: Is there any reason not to in conjunction with the surgery,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: be like, let's let's do the surgery. Let's get the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: cadaver or acl whatever, and let's shoot this thing up
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: with some stem cells and see how much.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 14: That is the best thing that is, Like, you just
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 14: cut down your time from eight weeks to possibly four weeks,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 14: but possibly three.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: But you want him to play Game one.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 14: Yeah, get the surgery, get the stem cells in, get
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 14: those construction billions and millions of construction workers, billions of
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 14: ex zomes, get the baptize in.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see you recover.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Look, we don't have time to cover all of it today, but.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I wanted to bring you on is to
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  Speaker 3: talk about the sports application for this. And Look, if
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  Speaker 3: you're just somebody out there who's at the end of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: your rope, you may be you're like, I can't lose
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: the weight, I can't get this need to feel better.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: I can't get this back to feel better. The doctor's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Dolly Wall they've got a clinic opening. Grand openings tomorrow, right,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: give us the info.
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  Speaker 12: So, grand opening is at our Mill Creek location one
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  Speaker 12: three four five East thirty nine hundred South, Salt Lake City,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 12: is from eleven am to four pm. Guys and come
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 12: ask us questions. We're able to throw in some free
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 12: console depending on how interested someone is, but just come
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 12: ask questions and we're there to help answer as best.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 13: As we can.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: What's the name of the clinic again.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 13: It is Region Health Physicians.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Regent Health Physicians. They're here, They're opening in Utah. It's
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: not just like this weekend. It's going to be a
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: permanent fixture in our medical community now. And I'm excited
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: about the implications for myself, for my wife, for all
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: the student athletes, for all the professional athletes. Utah is
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: one of the places in the United States where you
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: can get stem cell therapies legally. And I've talked about
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: this with the doctor. These are ethically sourced stem cells.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: This is not the kind of stuff you have to
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: worry about where it came from. They have the documentation
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: on all of it. If that's a concern of yours,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: come to the grand opening. We'll talk about it more.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: But you can obviously you can get that as part
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: of your treatment program. Guys, thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I could pick your brain for this, like for another hour,
• 1:16:22
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks' Super Bowl rings I just picked out this morning.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of hate it because obviously, as a San
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  Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine Ers fan, I don't want them to
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  Speaker 1: But one thing that I'm a big fan of is
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  Speaker 1: the just.
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  Speaker 3: Completely audacious, ostentatious, ridiculous designs that now go into championship rings.
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  Speaker 3: There's multiple pieces for most now, right there's like NBA
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  Speaker 3: Championship rings. You flip the top off and it's got
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: like a hidden compartment in there. So what the Seahawks did,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know, maybe I missed the last championship
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  Speaker 3: team that did this, but they've got this little Transformers
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  Speaker 3: action thing where you push a button and the sides
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  Speaker 3: of the ring pop out to look like Loomin Field,
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  Speaker 3: which is so cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually pretty awesome. It's pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Dodgers have kind of a similar one
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  Speaker 5: where you can take the top off as well. I
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: think they had that implicated into their championship wings.
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  Speaker 3: Which I mean, these things are just you can't wear
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  Speaker 3: them It's so funny because when you when you look
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  Speaker 3: back at the growth of championship rings, you go back
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  Speaker 3: to like the seventies eighties, and it's like a high
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: school class ring or a college class ring. It's something
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: you can wear and they're cool and they I mean,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: they're glorious whatever. Now these rings are the size of watches. Yeah,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: so you can't actually wear them, but that's not what
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: it's about. It's about having the championship ring and they're
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: they're dope. They're really cool. And as much as I
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: would like to say that the Seattle Seahawks screwed their
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: design up, they didn't.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: They did a great job with it. And that bothers me.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: What is the worst championship bring, worst design you've ever
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: seen in your life?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Took That's a good question. I don't I don't really
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: recall one that I thought was bad. Is there one
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: that sticks out for you? Worst Super Bowl ring design?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Let's look at that and see if we can find anything.
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  Speaker 3: The Ravens apparently are trashed the first one or the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: second one, the Super Bowl thirty five ring. Oh yeah,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: that one was a little light. There's you can there's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: a YouTube ranking all fifty nine from best to worst.
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  Speaker 3: We might have to watch that another day. The the guys,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: the guys displaying their rings, it's like, I mean, these
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  Speaker 3: people all have large hands, their NFL football players, right,
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  Speaker 3: and it goes the ring itself goes from you know,
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  Speaker 3: the root of your finger, beyond the first beyond the
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  Speaker 3: first knuckle.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you can't even bend your finger wearing this thing.
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  Speaker 1: Mind the time I had stitches in my finger in
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: August and I couldn't bend my finger. You can't bend
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: your finger. That's super annoying.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: I guess not being able to bend your finger because
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: you're wearing a Super Bowl ring on it is the
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: best reason to not be able to bend your finger.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. Pretty great.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: This one is actually I can't believe this flew under
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: the radar this week, but I guess there's a lot
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: of things going on as we get ready for not
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: only World Cup action tonight, NBA Finals tomorrow, NHL Finals
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: on Sunday, those series continuing at the NCAA Track Championships.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: An Auburn sprinter set not a collegiate record, not an
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: arena record, not an event record, set a world record.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Jacoby Tharp of Auburn set the world record in a
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  Speaker 3: preliminary race, not even in a championship race.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: A preliminary race in the one hundred and ten meter hurdles.
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  Speaker 1: He ran it in.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve seven to five twelve point seven five seconds for
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: one hundred and ten meter hurdles. The previous world record
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: was twelve point eight flat. He beat it by five
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: one hundreds of a second. As a collegiate athlete, Jacoby
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Tharp with the fastest one hundred and ten meter hurdle
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: ever run in the history of the world in Eugene,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Oregon at the Track and Field Championships. This is bananas
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: to be in college running a world record time, setting
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: a world record of any kind when you are not
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: quite in your athletic now. I don't I'll be honest,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what in the hurdles and in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: sprinting events, what is considered your prime age. But we
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: know in every other sport it's like, you know, mid
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: to late twenties, maybe even early thirties, depending on the sport.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: This is a nineteen year old running that fast, setting
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: a world record, and not even for the actual win,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: not even for the actual event championship bananas.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: That's especially in prelims.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: That's something you know, if it was like a you're
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: still in the big stage obviously, but still prelims, like
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: it's still crazy.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: Well, the other thing about it, if you watch the race,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: that's so fascinating is how he's like excited, happy, feeling
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: a little you know, he's feeling himself. He's probably a
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: little bit cocky about it because you would be as
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: the fastest ever, but also the surprise that comes with it,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: because there's no way he thinks he's running a world
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: record time. As he's going, yeah, he's like he's almost incredulous.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: He's freaking out because he just ran a world record time.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. Congratulations to Jacobe Tharp. More coming on the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: Daily Dump here. We talked about this a little bit yesterday,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: but the European experience of World Cup fans who are
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: showing up and they are kind of enjoying America for
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: the first time, and also the athletes that are relatively
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: anonymous in the United States versus the notoriety they get worldwide. Now,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: if you're Leo Messi, everyone in the United States knows
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: who you are everywhere you go. You're still going people
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: are still gonna like probably try to get that photo
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: with you. If you're Christiano Ronaldo, same thing is gonna
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: happen to you. We talked about the young man from Spain,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: this nineteen year old who is La Mina Mal who
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: is mister all Everything in Barcelona, but was shopping at
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: a Walmart in Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia, pushing his own card
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: around and nobody was any the wiser. They're just like,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: he just looks like any other college kid, which is
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: probably an immense relief for him in a scenario like that.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: Pretty cool that he gets to do it. There's a
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: rumor out there that's Ben Stiller. While he is enjoying
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: these New York Knicks games, and while he's enjoying this
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: run that the New York Necks are making potentially all
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: the way to an NBA championship, there's a rumor out
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: there that he is also filming a secret documentary during
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: the process. Really that we're getting, we're gonna get, like
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: almost in real time, the release of a New York
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Knicks like championship run kind of thing that there's a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: bunch of smoke and potentially fire out there, that extra
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: cameras are court side, extra cameras are in the bowels
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: of Madison Square Garden, that some of the other celebrities
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: have been interviewed by, like non traditional sports outlets or
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: even media outlets, like there's just like, you know, kind
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: of a random person here or there getting the sound bites,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: getting the on camera of like an Adam Sandler or
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: from Game four, like a Taylor Swift or whatever. And
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of this activity seems to be swirling around
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: Ben Stiller, who of course is a big time New
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: York Knicks fan. And the conclusion that people have come
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: to is that Ben Stiller is actually filming, concurrent with
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: the experiences, filming a documentary about this Knicks team that
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: will be released shortly after the finals, presumably even quicker
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: if they win it. I imagine if they lose, that
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: might change the plans. But yeah, will you watch it?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: That's a good question, actually, because it depends depends the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: context of you know, past a couple seasons where if
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: they've been close, make the playoffs, make the second round
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: or the finals, and they lose. But now you're actually
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: in an India championship, which if it goes from like
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: season to season the season, don't I probably watch it.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: But if it's just like just this loan season, probably not.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I think it seems like it's just for these playoffs.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: And you know you've had it.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Used to be a thing where you could order the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: special edition a sports illustrated magazine that had like, ah,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: this is the Seahawks champion Ship edition Sports Illustrated, And
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: then it got to where you could order the DVD
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: and it was always long after the fact because he
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: had to go through the editing process or whatnot. You
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: could order the DVD of that glorious Tennessee Titan season
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Now you could just put this onto a
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: streaming platform. Amazon buys it, Netflix buys it, whatever. And
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: of course, I mean with how good and talented some
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: of these workers are, some of these editors are. You
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: could be putting this out in an episodic format. You
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: could be getting these like every week, and I don't
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: know how much access this alleged crew is having to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: the actual team. That is where the entire crux of
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: it comes from me, Because if all you're getting is
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: a regurgitation of the media, that we've already seen of
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: the interviews from Derek Brunson and Mike Brown and Karl
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Anthony Towns that we've already been able to get our
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: soundbites from. I don't know if I'm going to watch
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: a special New York Knicks championship run documentary if it's.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Something that is exclusive access.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: It is Ben Stiller talking to Jalen Brunson, you know,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: between games, if he's allowed to go to shoot arounds
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: and we get like the picture of where they're eating
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: in San Antonio and that kind of stuff, then you
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: know that I'm a sucker for that all access type stuff.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 15: Oh.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: Same, absolutely. And it's like Quarterback, you know the Netflix
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: show Quarterback. It's kind of interesting to see like the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: background of you know, a quarterback in the NFL, you
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: know that outside life out of football kind of or
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: you know, what they do in a bye week or
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: whatever they're doing. Like it's it's interesting to see kind
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: of like the background noise of a player or athlete
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: in the professional league.
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• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: college athletics in our great state. We'll try to unpack
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  Speaker 5: So Round two currently going in progress. Ben James is
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  Speaker 3: Athletic reporting, the New York Times reporting, the Salt Lake
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Tribune reporting, KASL reporting, or a body reporting what we expected.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: That the Outro capital deal is done. The University of
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: Utah becomes the first university to have an independent private
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: equity deal in college athletics. What is it actually going
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: to mean, What does it actually look like? What will
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: it actually do for Utah athletics. Well, we don't know
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: the real number on how much money is coming in,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: and we don't know the pace at which that money
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: is going to be coming in. So that's something that
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: I think matters a lot here. We don't know how
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: much of that money is going to be used the
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: infusion of capital. Right, we do know that, you know,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: the university and shout out to the Salt Lake Tribune
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: and Jason Patakia was reporting on this.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: There's a.
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  Speaker 3: There's a history now for this athletic department to kind
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: of internally audit to look at what they're doing. Are
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: we maximizing our profits? Are we giving away too many tickets?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: Turned out that they hired an independent consultation firm, and
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: I think the number they paid was about thirty grand
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: for this consulting firm to say, hey, look, you're not
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: doing enough with your in arena experience, You're not doing
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: enough with your ticket sales maximization, you're not doing enough
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: with your in arena branding. And they generated a report
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: that basically said, you're leaving money on the table. Now,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: this is a report that came at the end of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and Utah increased their ticket sales through
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: the basketball season, the gymnastics season, the football season. They
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: ended up with like an extra three point three million
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: dollars in revenue. So there's precedent for this university's athletic department,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: and it's the people who run it to kind of
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: take positive feedback or I guess in that case it
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: would have been negative feedback and turn it into a
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: positive and to increase revenues. Now, if you believe for you,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: you listen to what the state auditor had to say
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: in her report, which of course was put out previously
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: by the Salt Lake Tribune and other outlets, that it's
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: going to take a lot more than an extra three
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: million dollars in ticket sales a year to make this
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: athletic department solvent, to make it profitable, to turn it around.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: There are certain circumstances that are not every year type things.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: The buy it of Kyle Whittingham's contract transitioned into Big
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: twelve conference, the increased travel that came with that, the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: branding changes that came with that. There's a cost associated
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: with all of these things for you too, athletics. And
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: now if the money, let's say this money is you know,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: the first number that was report it was five hundred
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: million dollars. It has been confirmed by leadership at the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: University of Utah that we're talking at least a nine
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: figure deal here, So that's at least one hundred million dollars.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Right, Let's just start with that low end. Let's be
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: conservative here.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: Let's say that Utah Athletics is getting one hundred million
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: dollars in the short term from Outrocapital is that being
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: put into a Crimson Brand partnership fund today? And are
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: they saying, all right, here's the money, go buy yourself
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: some quarterbacks. Wait, we have great quarterbacks. We don't need those.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: All right, go buy yourself some offensive linemen. Go buy
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: That's not what it's going to be about. In most cases,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: we still don't have a clear answer as to how
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: much of this money, if any, is going to be spent.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Directly on recruits.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately that is the real answer when it comes
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: to fixing your athletic department. Now you can indirectly translate
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: these things. This is what BYU has done, this is
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: what Texas Tech has done. You can indirectly translate support
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: from your boosters that previously were like, well, yeah, we're
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: helping you build the buildings with our donations. We're helping
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: you increase your sort of fan infrastructure with these buildings.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: We're helping you endow scholarships with these with these donations.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: We're helping you. Right, And instead if that money's going
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: to come from Otro Capital, now that money's going to
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: come from a private equity firm. Now the dollar ten
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: million dollars that you needed in nil deals can come
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: from real nil deals instead of going to the Garfs
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: and the Garners and the Huntsman's and you know, the
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: Marriott's and some of those companies, and you're saying, hey,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: I need this for this player, I need this for
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: this person, I need this for this building.
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  Speaker 1: We just built a baseball field. Can you pay us
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  Speaker 1: for that?
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: Now your donors don't have to pay for that, presumably
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: now you can use that money.
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  Speaker 1: For players.
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  Speaker 3: The donor money can be nil deals that may or
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  Speaker 3: may not have to be cleared through the College Sports Commission.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: You may or may not care about whether or not
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: you get signed off on those things. You may or
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: may not have any kind of context in enforcement from
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: an external body. I have no idea how UTA Athletics
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: is going to be handling that moving forward, because if
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: you want to keep up with the Joneses, the jones
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: are just going to pay the players, and they're going
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: to ask forgiveness rather than permission. Right because this College
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Sports Commission has continued to bog down deals nil deals
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: in court and bog down deals in their enforcement process.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: While student athletes have been promised, hey yeah, we're we're
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: gonna you know, you're gonna come here and we're gonna
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: give you this, and they're you know, this commission is
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: being told or is telling people that's not a legitimate
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: business reason, that is a pay for play, And everyone
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: on every campus is like, yeah, but you can't unring
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: that bell. We did the pay for play thing already.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: We were doing it for thirty years with bag men.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're doing it for real and we're not gonna
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: undo it. So if you're gonna stop this deal from
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: going through, you better stop the Texas Tech deal and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: the BYU deal from going through.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Also.
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  Speaker 3: So again, the cost of doing business now from a
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: player roster in college football, if you want Morgan Scalley
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: to be successful, if you want Colton Swan to have
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: the defense that he needs, if you want Kevin mcgiven's
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: offense to produce, you know, top ten numbers or top
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: twenty five numbers, even you have to give him a
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: salary cap that makes sense. And I think the minimum salary,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: I'm talking the minimum, the salary floor in power for
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: football right now for you to compete is twenty five
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: ish million dollars, is my belief. You want to be
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: a college football playoff team, you have to have twenty minimum,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: twenty five thirty. The big boys are gonna have forty
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: and fifty million dollar rosters. As we have talked about
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: ad nauseum. A lot of people got mad at me
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: on the old Twitter machine last year when I was
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: throwing out my random hypotheticals.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: But you know.
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  Speaker 3: From revenue distribution, from revenue share, which student athletes get
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: roughly twenty one million dollars. But that's for the entire
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: athletic department, right, So let's say football gets sixteen fifteen,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: sixteen million of that, right, then you've got to have
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: these donors that make up the gap.
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  Speaker 1: The rest of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Is this private equity money going to free up funds
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: elsewhere that can be spent on players? That is the
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: biggest key here. Can Crimson brand partners directly pay players?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: Can they create brand partnerships that are legitimate deals, that
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: are legitimate endorsement deals, but that allow you to pay
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: the players.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Is that where any of this money is earmarked for?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: That's the biggest question, because there's a lot of ways
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: you can improve your athletic experience. You can get the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: better seats, and you can have One of the recommendations
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: was eliminate media seating and make it like luxury boxes
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: and the media love that. Does the Ultra Capital deal
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: allow you to spend more money on players? I think
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: the answer has to be an obvious yes, or we're
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: going to be looking at this thing like wow, how
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: much did it really help?
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: I just need to know the mechanism. How does it
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: actually look?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: Because if private equity is giving the money to the players,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: pretty direct, and they're gonna have to say they're gonna
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: have to have a say in that eventually, which gets messy.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: But the deal is done.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: Ultro Capital and Utah Athletics are now in bed together,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: officially signed, sealed, delivered, Fingers crossed that it ends up
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: being something that is beneficial for this program. Carlos Mauricio
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Marira Carlos Mauricio Ramirez Apple TV play by play man
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: to talk a little World Cup next, as US men's
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: national team gets ready to take on Paraguay at SOFI
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: Stadium tonight at seven pm. It's The Sean O'Connell Show
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: heading into our number three airing of grievances begins in
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  Speaker 7: From the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred at
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to our number three on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Get ready for the airing of grievances that we do
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: on Fridays at one point thirty your texting fingers ready
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: for that. But right now talking a little World Cup,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: talking a little soccer. Carlos Barisio Ramirez. You could catch
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: him on Apple TV calling MLS. He's doing play by
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: play in multiple languages. He is absolutely the man and
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: we're lucky to have him back. Carlos, Welcome, How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 15: Thank you for that, sewn, I appreciate it, man. Yeah,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 15: and don't forget tell him we go doing some sideline
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 15: reporting for the World Cup. My first game will be
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 15: tomorrow Qatar Againstitel in here in the Bay Area. I'm
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 15: in San Francisco right now. Actually technically SENTIFAR for the game,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 15: So yeah, appreciate it, pot and uh. I'll be back
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 15: in Salt Lake in the month of August. Of course,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 15: some Major League Soccer action can't wait to be back
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 15: in the region. I'll do Real Salt Lake against Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: We will look forward to that. Maybe we'll get together
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: have a bite or something. Let's talk about this, uh,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: this FIFA World Cup. We're underway now, games yesterday, games today.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: US men's national team plays tonight. We'll get to that
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: here in a second. But as you mentioned, you are
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: there in one of the host cities, You are on
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: the ground. What what is the sort of vibe the atmosphere. Uh,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: it's it's probably a little bit tougher in Santa Clara
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: than in some of like the more downtown districts.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: But just give me a sense of what it's like
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: being a host city right now.
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  Speaker 15: It was interesting because the Bay Area, I would guess,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 15: unlike Los Angeles or maybe even Miami or Mexico City
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 15: where the stadiums are right in the heart of the city.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 15: Though I know Las and Inglewood, but still this is
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 15: different because for those of you who have never been
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 15: in here, Levi Stadium, which is located, like you said,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 15: in Santa Clara, is a good forty five minutes away
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 15: or forty five minute drive from downtown San Francisco, so
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 15: you don't really get a sense of that, you know,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 15: something's happening. But when we were yesterday, there's there's a
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 15: lot of viewing and watching watch parties around both San
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 15: Jose and San Francisco. I'm telling you right now, the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 15: watch party for the Mexico game Sean yesterday was absolutely bonkers.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 15: It was in San Fguro Square Market, which is right
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 15: in the heart of San Jose. I'm guessing they were
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 15: like what two thousand people, give or take. They close
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 15: the street. You have two gigantic screens and both ends
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 15: of the street, one with fox, the other one we
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 15: tell the mundo. It was a as you were expect
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 15: a majority of Mexico fans and it was so for
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 15: that game and that specific area. It was insane, completely insane.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 15: So there are pockets where you absolutely know and feel
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 15: like during the World Cup. But if you're driving like
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 15: in downtown San Jose or you know, Coopertino, it's just
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 15: it's just another day. But there is a vibe and
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 15: an energy that that something is happening. Definitely here in
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 15: the World Cup.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Mexico obviously off to a hot start.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: They beat South Africa to nil in the first game
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: of the World Cup. At the One of the interesting
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: things there uh pretty spicy game. Three red cards in
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: that first game, I don't know if I had that
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: on my being go card. Were you surprised to see
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: any of that chippiness, especially so early in an inaugural
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: game for this tournament.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 15: Yeah, no, not really, because I mean tension is high,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 15: nerves are at a premium, So not really. South Africa
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 15: is a very limited team. We knew that from the
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 15: dead go. Mexico is favored, as they should have been.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 15: I thought the scorecard was not reflective of what the
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 15: game was. Mexico should have won that game at least
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 15: three or four nail, the coach said. Gil said it
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 15: after the game was done. It should have been a
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 15: wider gap. The sis on a month they've red card
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 15: towards the end of the game was perfectly avoidable by him.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 15: That puts him in a bund for the next game
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 15: in Guada Haada against South Korea. I'm guessing either Son
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 15: will be the center back Miste don Buscus. But yeah,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 15: Mexico proved that they're the favorites in the in that group,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 15: but South Korea that was the later game last night.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 15: Chechia was nothing to call home about. They're also I
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 15: think the limited team.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 15: They barely made their way to the World Cup by
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 15: etching out Denmark South Korea. I think that game, I
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 15: think the Mexico South Korea game will be the pride
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 15: or premium game in that group. That would be the
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 15: next game of the phase in Guadalajada. I'm really looking
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 15: for that one.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: Has there been any buzz conversation complaining anything about the
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: teams that draw in Mexico City, because obviously the altitude
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: difference between as Teca and some of these other places
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: is pretty significant. We're you're talking about you know, sea
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: level in the Bay Area, sea level in La and
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: Mexico City is like the highest major city on the planet.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: So the teams that are involved there, has there been
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: any complaining?
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 15: No, No, not really good. I mean this is this
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 15: is a third World Cup that Mexico City has hosted.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 15: Mexico is the only country to host three World Cups
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 15: nineteen seventy, nineteen eighty, section in twenty twenty second. And
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 15: it comes with it. It's like playing games in Denver,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 15: right when you go to place the Brow or the
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 15: Nuggets or the Avalanche or the Rapids, you just know
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 15: it comes with the territory. So now no complaints. People
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 15: understand it's part of the It's part of the deal
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  Speaker 15: when you go play in Mexico City.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about tonight's game USA versus Padaguay.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously US men's national team looking to start off this
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  Speaker 3: tournament the right way. Uh what do you how do
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: you handicap Paraguay as an opponent.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm really concerned about tide game. Paraguay to me
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 15: is a dark horse and this tournament. They have a
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 15: very good coach in Distellar Finals who completely turned on
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 15: one eight on them. They were pretty much debt in
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 15: the water in the South America qualifiers before he got
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 15: the job, and once he did, he turned them into
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  Speaker 15: not a juggernaut, but a very stingy, physically and posing
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 15: soccer team. They have one really standout player in terms
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 15: of technical quality, and he will be available. He wasn't
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 15: supposed to Paraguay's base here in the Bay Area. I've
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 15: been to every single team practice that media has had
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 15: access to. His name is Julio and Sisi. He'll be
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 15: in the top of that formation of the four four
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 15: to two s team from the Stellary Final late next
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 15: to Antonio san Avide. He plays in France with Strasburg.
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  Speaker 15: He had some experience in Premier League with Brighton. He
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  Speaker 15: is a difference maker. He's twenty three years old, a
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  Speaker 15: really skilled, technically gifted player. And he had a muscular
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  Speaker 15: injury intoir last friendly match in Paraguay before heading to
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  Speaker 15: the States, and he had the Out of the four
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  Speaker 15: practice sessions that I saw, he was working aside from
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 15: the team among three of them. On the last one,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 15: which was yesterday, he did work with them, So he
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 15: is expected to start tonight. He is a difference maker.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 15: He'll take you one on one. Uh, He'll break defenses
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  Speaker 15: with his skill. He's got a legit shot. Aside from him,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 15: they're a very tactically sound team and physically imposing. They
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 15: will not be an easy match for Team USA if
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 15: they're not on their accusing. If he's equ's they can
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 15: lose that game tonight. And it's the home opener, it's
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  Speaker 15: the World Cup opener. Mexico head coach had spoke about
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 15: players being cramped and physically and emotionally affected by by it.
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  Speaker 15: You know, but because it's it's at home, it's Yestika, Uh,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 15: it's it's Shahira. Now it's gonna be the same for
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 15: team You to say it's Katy Perry, it's future, it's
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 15: soap by Stadium, It's it's a home opener. So nerves
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  Speaker 15: will be at a at a top. If they are
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  Speaker 15: not locked in, if they don't punch this Paraguay team
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  Speaker 15: early and often, they can lose. They can absolutely lose
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 15: this game. I can see anyone from Turkey, Paraguay or
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 15: Kim Say taking this group. It's a really high group.
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  Speaker 3: With what keeping in mind what you just said about
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: that pressure and about you know, the I guess the
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: extra layer that comes with being a host nation and
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: being on the stage that they're on.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen some kind of like a curious sort of
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: communication style from Poshatino, and I don't know if everyone
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: loves it. I think that it's probably fine because all
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: these guys are professional athletes and and probably know the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: score with him. But you know, you throw it together,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: you slap it together pretty quickly for these World Cup rosters.
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  Speaker 1: And that is that a concern at all that you've got?
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 14: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a concern in all the way.
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  Speaker 3: That this particular coach communicates with this particular team.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 15: That's a real questions. I would say, listen, you have
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 15: to be in there inside that locker room to understand
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 15: he what he does is one of his best skills
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 15: is as communicator. He took Tattenham to the final of
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 15: the win the Champions League based on talent tactics in communications.
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  Speaker 15: So if there anything that I trust him on, that
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 15: would be one of the strong suits from Portatino. But
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 15: we'll we'll have to wait and see. I think Team
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  Speaker 15: USA from the midfield up with McKenney, with Ballagoons with Polisic,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 15: that team is the strong suit is midfield up from
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  Speaker 15: the mid If it's a picture of body from the
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 15: waist up, the team looks good. It's down not so much.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 15: Team you to say been historically good at goal. Uh,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 15: we've had goalkeepers playing Man United, Uh, Premier League, Blackburn, Rovers, Bolton.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 15: I mean we've we've had historically great goalkeepers. That's not
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 15: the case this time around. Every keeper we have plays
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 15: on MLS. We don't have keepers abroad that are making
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 15: a difference. Stack Stefan had a short lived UH spell
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 15: with Man City and he's now with with Colorado. So
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 15: that's my concern. Waist up good, waist down. You need
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 15: to be technically sound, technically disciplined, and uh, and we'll
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 15: see what happens. I gotta let you go, guys. I
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 15: gotta run, I gotta I'm going to the guitar press
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 15: conference as we speak, as I'm watching the Canada Bostonia games.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 15: It's nil nil in the fifteenth minute. Let's do it again.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 15: I love I love talking to you, Sean. Great show
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 15: as all the way and it's always a pleasure to
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 15: be in touch with with this.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate you giving us a couple of minutes. Go do
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: your thing, and yeah, we'll talk again soon. Carlos, thank
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  Speaker 3: you very much.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it again, please, Carlos Mauricio Ramirez.
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• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: watch US men's national team versus Paraguay tonight, Sofi Stadium,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: seven pm. That game will be on Fox. I love
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: the analogy that the picture that he just painted, right,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: this team waste up. This is the guy at the
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: gym potentially, and we hope it doesn't play out this way. Right,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: You've all been to your local Vasa Fitness, your twenty
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: four hour Fitness, your Planet Fitness, whatever, my apartment gym,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: your apartment gym, Excel down there in Holiday where the
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: beautiful people walk out Lifetime Fitness, where everyone's getting a
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: little wild down there in South Jordan.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: And you see this guy right got the tank top on.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: The tight T shirt, and you're just like, geez, that
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: guy's repping out three plates on the bench right now,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: look at this. And then he walks over to the
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: little cage and he just busts out like fifteen pull ups,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: perfect form.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: You're like, dang, dude, why is he wearing loose pants?
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: What's that guy's deal?
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: And then the next time you see him, he's wearing
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: shorts and you realize, oh, that dude's calves are smaller
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: than his forearms. That guy's quads are smaller than his biceps.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: That's the picture that Carlos Mauricio Ramirez just painted for
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: this US men's national team. All show maybe no go,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: all upper body, but on the back end, you can't squat,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: you can't deadlift, you can't leg press. He's got no
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: hour clean, he's got an eight inch vertical jump. There's
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: just nothing there. It's an exaggeration, of course, that sounds
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: like me a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: You got no legs, zac No, I mean I have
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: chicken legs. But I would squat like two plates during
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: high school.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. That's respectable. At your body weights, I
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: would bench probably a plate and the fifteen I think
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: a lot that you weigh. You weigh like one hundred
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: and fifty pounds. Yeah, yeah, dude, you're all right. I'm fine.
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  Speaker 3: Legs, that's okay. It's okay to have skinny legs. You
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about, though, The guy that the
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: guy that like weighs as much as me, but he's
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: got no legs at all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a belly, I've got mediocre arms, I've got
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: junk in the trunk. I've always had a big old
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: button thighs. Okay, I've been the opposite of that.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: I am. I am the guy who's got no bench
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: press in anything lower body.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: I can push weight. This US men's national team does
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: have some inch attack. They've got guys that historically on
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: the international stage and obviously in their various clubs and
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: for MLS and things like that, they've got some pace,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: They've got some talent. The question about the goalkeeping is
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: an obvious one because you're doing it by comparison. You're
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: looking at what the US men's national team has had historically,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: and you're just like, well, yeah, these guys are Dare
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: I say it, And I don't mean to cast any
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: aspersions on our domestic league, but it's always been guys
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: that are beyond and better than Major League Soccer, and
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: that's why they're playing for those European clubs and they're
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: in obvious strength. Because it's not as obvious this year.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: What does that come down to. It means that defensively,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: that it means that when you come down to an
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: opposing team in the attack, your defensive players, your defensive
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: formation has to be better. Your defensive formation has to
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: compensate for that. We see it all the time in
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: hockey now, and obviously there's a lot of apples and
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: oranges here, different size, different player whatever. When the defense
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: in front of the man minding goal breaks down, he screwed.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: The best goaltender in the world, the best goalkeeper in
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: the world, has a hard time when the guys in
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: front of him break down.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: In soccer, in the World Cup.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: That's why you see, even when they make a stop, right,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: every goalkeeper is just in disbelief, incredulous, angry that the
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: ball even got to him. Even when he makes a stop,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: every single one of them, right, beautiful diving stop, punches
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: it out. And what is the first thing. It's not
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: a celebration that you blocked the shot. It's standing up
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: and cursing out the guy in front of you. Where
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: were you on that one? Why did that ball get
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: all the way through to me? Why did I have
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: to do that?
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: Right? So, while I hope for and wish for stellar
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: play from our MLS.
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  Speaker 3: Level goalkeepers, I think what we're going to be really
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: talking about is whether or not the guys in front
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: of them kept the ball out of their way, kept
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: people out of the kitchen, right, got everyone away from
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: the front of that goal.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: If somebody, if some Paraguay.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: And striker hits one from sixty five feet out, now
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: we're talking about the goalkeeper. Now we're talking about oh,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: come on, man, you have to But if we're giving
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: little chip shots and the crossing pass is not addressed
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: and you're not keeping the traffic out from the front,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: now we're talking about a real breakdown for this US
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: men's ational team because Mauricio post Chattino and company know
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: exactly what they've got in goal. All these guys now
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: they're gonna talk favorably and they're gonna say how much
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: they trust the guy with the long sleeves on, and
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: they're gonna talk about Yeah, you know what, I'm totally
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: confident that freezer whoever it is, is going to stop
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: whatever gets through.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: But you just can't let stuff get through, yeah, exactly.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 5: And having those set pieces as well in the center
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: back and midfield too with Western McKenny and an Tony Robinson,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: that's gonna be a big play too. I mean, Matt
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: Turner's got the World Cup experience. But we've recently there's
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: been some struggle. I mean in an international friendly against Jimmany,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: there was some struggle.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 5: That's the thing too, is like you're bringing three goalkeepers
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: on this roster as well, and that maybe he's not
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: the best idea. Maybe it is a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean usually I see like other teams bring like two,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: like Spain's got David Raya and Unai Simon or you know,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 5: Allison for Brazil, and yeah, it's just interesting they bringing
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 5: three goalkeepers in one of those spots. Kabi could have
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: gone to like you know, Diego Luna, your exavior Gozo,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 5: or you know some other important set piece player that
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 5: was used last year the Old Cup, like Diego Luna
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 5: had a great, great international season in the Gold Cup
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 5: last season.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: For those who care, all three Team USA goalkeepers go
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: six to three plus, so some some range hopefully.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: This is not a particularly large squad from a physical
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: standpoint for Team USA.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of weight to this squad.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: In fact, you've got one man on the whole roster
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: that's over two hundred pounds, which soccer is not a
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: game for big men necessarily.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: But I mean, unless you're Early Holland, he's a big dude. Yeah.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, we've had Holland is different. Uh, but but
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: in the past, you know, you've had you've had guys
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: that carried a little bit more around and uh, I
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: guess that translates to some level of physicality. But in
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: this case, you've got a team that you're going to
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: be relying a lot on skill, uh, speed in the front,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: hopefully some good ball handling and uh, creative yacht. I
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: was gonna say creative shot selection. I think it's more
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: like selective shot. Creation is what we're looking at. You
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: need for the attack. I think to carry this because
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: there's not a ton of confidence even from the soccer
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: insiders that on the back end you've got what you need.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. First one is the most obvious one. My grievance
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  Speaker 3: is with Texas Tech in general. If you're a Texas
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  Speaker 3: Tech fan, that's somehow listening from Lubbock, Texas. Just stop
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  Speaker 3: pretending that the rest of the sports world are idiots
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  Speaker 3: all these false arguments at the rest of us, just like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: That's what does we know, And.
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  Speaker 1: No one's asking you to do that. All we're saying is.
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  Speaker 3: Let there be a real consequence for someone breaking one
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  Speaker 3: You can't bet on sports, Sorry you can't that Iowa
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  Speaker 3: State had guys that gambled suspended done for the year. Houston,
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  Speaker 3: there was a Missouri guy was a Missouri he reported
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  Speaker 3: knows Iowa. He reported himself for placing one bet and
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  Speaker 3: guess what happened, suspended done out for the year. The
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  Speaker 3: president the university president. I tweeted this at real OC sports. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: maybe we need to talk about the like, talk about
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  Speaker 3: what the rules are now that these kids have have
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: devices in their pockets with access to get It's like,
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  Speaker 3: shut up, dude, if you'd my grievance is with Texas Tech. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: But I'm expressing a grievance for anyone who watched the
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  Speaker 3: World Cup opening ceremony, which is one point two billion
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  Speaker 3: viewers reported for the World Cup opening ceremony. Shakira was
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: the performer, and you know, I love good conspiracy. The
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  Speaker 3: internet is raging about the fact that that was a
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  Speaker 3: body double and a lip syncing performance, not actually Shakira.
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  Speaker 4: Really, you can.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of different pieces of evidence here that
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  Speaker 3: sit It looks like a Shakira impersonator more than it
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: looks like Shakira herself. Now, there's plenty of possibilities here
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: if it actually was Shakira, and I cannot even imagine
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: a scenario in which the World Cup organizers, I'm sure
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: we're forking out, however much to have Shakira play. We're like, oh, yeah,
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: that's fine, just bring us a body double. But you
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: know it's notoriously at the super Bowl halftime show, you
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: basically do that for free because it increases your profile,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: and so you accept the invitation to be the super
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: Bowl halftime performer.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: You don't really get paid for it. Maybe that's the
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: case with the World Cup thing.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: I have no idea, but there's a lot of videos
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: that show Shakira looking not very Shakira esque.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: When you're in your late forties, like Shakira is, and
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: you're trying to stay looking the way that you always looked, I.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: Imagine there are cosmetic procedures that come with that.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: Right, You're getting injections, you're getting treatment, you getting facials,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: you getting whatever, and there could be some swelling, there
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: could be some distortion of your features based on how
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: deep into the recovery you are.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: But go down this rabbit hole if you have the
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: time today, it looks like.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: A pretty convincing argument could be made that Shakira at
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: the opening ceremonies of the World Cup not actually the
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: real Shakira grievance.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 5: If indeed we got a body double, I think got
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 5: tro to get off air. I think we should investigate
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 5: this more. We might have to after we do our
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 5: teas and stuff, we might have to go all the
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 5: way down the rabbit hole. This is uh, this is
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 5: a cardinal sin.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: If you're talking about getting everyone excited about somebody performing
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: and then you don't actually have that person performed. Remember
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: when you're you're two, young, Zach, there was a there
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: was like a marketing stunt done where it was going
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: to be a one on one basketball game between Brian Russell,
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: the former jazz Man, and Michael Jordan. Really and it
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: was a Michael Jordan looked like it was a Michael
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: Jordan impersonator, and everyone was just like, that's not even convincing.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? So maybe it's one of those situations.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 5: Hey, Shakira does write some pretty good wolf Cup songs,
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 5: so let's be honest here.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: One point two billion viewers, you know what.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: Shakira's finest work has been in the movie Zutopia and
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: Utopia two.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: She is the gazelle performer. Great stuff. Have you watched
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: the second one yet? Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty good.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: I've been waiting to watch it. It's pretty good.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: I have the ultimate excuse whenever a kid's movie comes
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: out because I have three little kids.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: I like the original Utopia more than I like Utopia too.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: I also liked the original Utopia song theme song by
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: Shakira better than the Zutopia two one.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: But they're both good.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: They'll get you moving, Okay, I'm believe in Hey, it's
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 5: just an excuse for watching kiss movie, bro, Like it's
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 5: just want to be happy.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I don't know that that.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: Like there's a bunch of people posting videos and photos
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: and selfies. I don't know that that's Shakira. Man, it
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't really look bad Shakira.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: Wow, that is and very She suspiciously kept these like big,
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: very black.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: They're like the sunglasses that the doctor gives you after
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: they dilate your pupils. They're just like black as night,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: so it's scary. Keep those things on the whole time.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know all right. Grievance
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: from nineteen forty three, Happy Friday, Thank you very much.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: My grievance is with Knicks fans they follow the Spurs
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: back to the hotel after that and saying come back when.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: And my grievance specifically with whomever it was that through
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: an egg at Wemby. Okay, you have to be this
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: is you have to be such a miserable person if
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: the way that you want to celebrate that best of
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: all time comeback is by continuing to troll the opposition
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: that lost like that, I'm all about throw a little
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: trash talk at Wemby while he's walking into the garden.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: I'm all about the next time you see him in
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: New York City. Don't throw eggs at people, but just
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: being like, ah, Wemby, you're an alien, you stink whatever,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: Like support your team, talk talk, trash heckle people if
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: you want to the idea that your thought process after
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: your team pulls off the number one comeback in NBA
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: Finals history, You're like, how could I How should I
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: celebrate this?
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: Should I go out to a bar with my friends?
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: Should I go grab a slice of pizza? Should I just.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: Engage in general debauchery on the streets of Manhattan, running around,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: you know, petting a police horse, hugging a cop, jumping
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: on a fire truck.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna follow the Spurs back to their hotel,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: and I am going to be negative towards the Spurs
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: instead of positive about my team. That is insane behavior.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: You are a miserable person if you do that. So
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: yes grievance echoed by nineteen forty three.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 5: It is a crazy, crazy grievance. I mean Knicks fans.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 5: I mean Knicks fans can be a little crazy. I
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 5: don't think I'm not saying our guy, portal Archn's crazy.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 5: Port's a great guy. He's not crazy.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: He's a little crazy, though he can be in a
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: good way. Two part grievance coming from Derek, one of
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: our favorites. I hate the whole Soursby thing as much
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: as anyone. What he did discredits everything he's done and
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: will do. But until we have actual tangible change with
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: the situation, can the media as a whole drop it
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: because it feels like we're going around in circles. You're
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 3: absolutely right, Derek, and I even feel dumb talking about
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: it sometimes because nothing is going to happen. I'm just
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: a dude on Salt Lake City radio yelling about a
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: Texas tech problem.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: It drives me crazy. However, I think it is at
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: least somewhat.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: Important to point out the failures of leadership all along
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: the way this Judge, you're a moron. Judge your honor,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: not honor the I'm going to make fun of the
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: Texas tech leadership for trying to convince us of anything
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: other than what we all know to be obvious. But
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: you're right, it is getting redundant. Also two part grievance here,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: Knicks fans. I can understand both the extreme frustration and
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: pure joy at the ends of games, but nothing gives
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: you the right to assault opposing team players or fans.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. You are ridiculous again.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: If your response to a loss for your team or
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: a win for your team is then to seek out
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: and attack anyone wearing the wrong color shirt, You're just
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 3: a bad sports fan. You're the bad version of the
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: sports culture, you're bad. Okay, I like this one grievance.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: Door to door salesman prominent no soliciting signed salesman Knox
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: anyway tells me we're doing some work here in your neighborhood.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: Ah good.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: If you've got work in the neighborhood, focus on that
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: and leave me alone. That's why I put up the
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: sign from twelve to seventy three. The way I handle
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: the door to door salesman. The door to door salesmen
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 3: are similar to the Texas tech leadership. They knock on
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: your door, assuming you're an idiot.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: They assume every single time, I'm gonna trick this person.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get them to pay more than they should.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get them to buy something that they don't
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: want because I'm such a good salesman, because I've got
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: this pitch, I've got this method, I've got this I'm
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: gonna make an initial request and I'm gonna get them
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: to answer positively, do the first thing, and then that
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: starts there. Psychologically, it tricks them into then you say
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: yes to the next thing, and the next thing the next.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: They assume you're an idiot when they knock on your door,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: and they're the thing I hate most about it in
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: Utah specifically, is the way that the companies that perpetuate
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: these things are targeting the skills that young men in
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: our can unity develop by going on missions, which is
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: all good intentions and is all wholesome, and they're all
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: trying to do the right thing. And then these companies,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: as soon as they get back, are just like, oh, hey,
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: you know how to talk to people about things they
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: probably don't want to talk about. Guess what I want
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 3: to now turn that into profit for myself. I don't
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: like it at all.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: So Grievance echoed, well done, Well done. I don't know
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: why this is bothering you, Kurt.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: Kurt says, when it's ninety degrees outside, seeing people walking
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: outside with a hoodie or beanie on Grievance, if people
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: want to wear hoodies or beanies, fine, I don't understand it.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: That's literally my childhood best friends.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: I'm a sweaty, sweaty boy, so I'm not wearing a
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: hoodie in the heat. But I have found that I'm
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: getting soft in my old age. I handle the cold
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: a lot worse than I used to. So like our
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: Broadway studio. This is a very first world problem. Our
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: studios here for the last two years have been roasting.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: The air conditioning wouldn't work. We'd have ninety degree days
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: here in studio, and this year they got it fixed
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: and they've overcompensated.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: Now it's like sixty degrees in here. Yeah.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 5: So I went in there this morning before you got here,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 5: and just to make sure everything's all good with the cameras.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, holy, it's cold. It's cold. It's like legitimately
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: cold in here. But it's fine. It's not so bad
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: that I need like a hoodie on.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: However, when I walk out on days like today, I
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: enjoyed the sunlight because it warms me back up. So
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: maybe i'd throw on it, Beanie, No, I wouldn't, all right,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: Kevin on the text line eight seven seven three five
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred text us to air your a grievances,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: Knicks fans, Carter Hart getting out of those charges, and
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: the Vegas nights, all grievances from Kevin. This is great
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: from Terrell or Terrell grievance. The kids and people that
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: put their Venmo on the window of their car after
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: graduating or reaching some milestone. I said depending to someone
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: the other day, congratulating them for graduating and welcoming them
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: to the real world by saying, get a job. I'm
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: not paying for your vacation, you know what. I see
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: both sides on this. For one, like graduating high school,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: if you're the first person in your family to do it, Yeah,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: that's wonderful.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: That's a I am very proud of you. That's an
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: incredible accomplishment.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: If you're not, like the first of a family of
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: immigrants or a family who comes from a background that, like,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, education wasn't a thing in the past,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: near the first high school. If you're like, if your
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: parents are doctors and you graduate from high school, congrats, Like,
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: have your party with your friends, don't ask me for
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: gifts and money. Yeah, you did the bare minimum, dude,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: graduating high school if you have that background is not impressive.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: It's like the bare minimum of what you're supposed to do.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: Is it an important milestone in your life?
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, yes it is, But it's not for me to
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: contribute to as a random stranger. However, if it is
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: somebody you know and somebody in your life that does
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: deserve a gift, the Venmo link is absolutely the key.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: It is the best way, yea. It eliminates you having
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: to pay shipping on a gift. It eliminates you having
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: to write something and like put a stamp on it.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: The Venmo thing is the most convenient way to tell someone, Hey, cool,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: proud of you, good job.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: I'm happy.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: I wish that people just had their Venmo barcode on
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: their T shirts. So anytime you're like, oh, man, I
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: owe you money for that, you just boo boo. I
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: know it's just on their phone time. It's like, hey, Zach,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: you did a good job today. Boop five bucks. Yep,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: here's your tip at the sushi joint.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: You gotta come in too, By the way, it'd be
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: way easier. It'd be better. I do need to come in.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't had good sushi in a while. I'll take
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: care of you.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: That's a wonderful, wonderful grievance to Air Terrell.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. Actually, I'm surprised.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: Also, Torell, you're petty because you decide you decided that
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: you were gonna take the time to send one penny
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: be like, get a job, kid, So that that that
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: kid deserves to air a grievance with you, even though
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: I kind of on your side.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I swear my so, my brother's graduating tomorrow from
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 5: Western Washington, I fly out later tonight to Seattle, Okay,
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 5: and I swear to God, if he puts his venmo
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 5: on his truck, I'm gonna slap him. No, you you should,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 5: I should send him, send him one sentence a get
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 5: a job, bozo. Well, college graduation is also a little
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 5: bit different, a little different. Now again, I will say
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 5: it all depends on the context of your family background.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, For me, I graduated from college and
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: then I got a master's degree.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: I did not attend to either graduation ceremony. Yeah, because
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: for me, I was just like, yeah, that's what you're
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: supposed to do. It's like if I had been suma
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: kum laude, or I'd been like high Honors, or I
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: had been like a four point zero, maybe it's something
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: more to achieve. But I'm just like, yeah, dude, like,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: of course I'm supposed to graduate. It doesn't need to
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: be a big party that I graduated.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: That's the whole.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Like, the education is the reward. Some people are doing
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: this all for the graduation party. That's not me. Yep,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: it's not me. Okay, uh rob oh, I like this.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: I saw five minutes of Shakira yesterday and she was
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: not wearing sunglasses. All right, So was it the real Shakira?
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: Rob eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred?
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: Was that a Shakira body double or was it the
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: real Shakira? Petty is my middle name, says Terrell. By
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: the way, Terrell, tell me, Is it Terrell or is
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: it Tarrell. It's kind of we've got a we've got
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: an owen's situation right now. Send me the phonetic pronunciation
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: of your spell of your name, because I don't want
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: to say Taroll if it's Terrell, and I don't want
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: to say Terrell if it's supposed to be Tarrell. Zach,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 3: do you have a grievance? That means no if you
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 3: have to think about a grievance.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, people have been stealing some stuff from me
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: at the sushi joint. Okay, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: Everybody's been stealing everything on that I mean people have
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: been seeing like my co workers have been stealing stuff.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 5: Co workers like Frank stealing, prank stealing kind of I
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 5: mean my sous chef sushi mats went missing. We don't
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 5: know where they went, like a week ago, and we
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 5: think someone took them. That's my grievance or know is
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 5: people taking stuff.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: Grievance with thieves is echoed and amplified.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 5: Don't be a thief. Don't be a stealing kind of individual.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 5: It's terrible, especially when it comes to sharpie's. I always
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 5: lose a sharpie somehow because someone takes it.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: Wait a second, Taroll like Beryl or Cheryl.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah yeah, Arrell, like Barrel or Cheryl. So this
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: is Terrell, not Terrell. It's Terrell.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we figured that out because I don't want
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: to be saying it wrong.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: It drives me nuts anytime I pronounce somebody's name wrong,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: I get mad at myself. In the play by play world,
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 3: you obviously have to get it right, and the sports
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: radio world, you got to be saying these names right.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: Uh So, Tarrell, we'll say it right from now on
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred text.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: Your agreements is in. If you have any more, we'll
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: take our last break, we have tickets to give a way.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: We have one more PGA Tour Leaderboard update in this moment,
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: and Hollywood and Debt are coming to the complex. I
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: will ask a trivia question and give you some tickets
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: as we close out the show on a Friday. It's
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  Speaker 1: It's on a Friday. How are you?
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  Speaker 16: I am here on behalf of all door to door
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  Speaker 16: salesmen everywhere. This stand up for our community. We will
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  Speaker 16: not take this criticism. It is unfounded. We are just
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  Speaker 16: young men working hard to try to make money.
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  Speaker 1: You did tell us about your living scriptures door to
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  Speaker 1: door sales.
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  Speaker 3: You knocked on You probably knocked on the door or
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  Speaker 3: of a guy like me and or like I just
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  Speaker 3: get him to say yes to the first thing and
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  Speaker 3: then I'm gonna have him fully in on Alma, you.
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  Speaker 16: Actually nailed the worst part of the entire endeavor, and
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  Speaker 16: that is the angles you're encouraged to find that are
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  Speaker 16: not illegal but certainly unethical.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, like.
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  Speaker 16: Find the grandma who has a bunch of grandkids, and yeah,
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  Speaker 16: you kick the tires on the social security situation.
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  Speaker 16: at your house.
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  Speaker 3: I had a real slick customer show up just a
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  Speaker 3: couple days ago. And by the way, it's always at
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  Speaker 3: like eight forty five pm during the summer. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: right when you're getting the kids out of the bath
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  Speaker 3: in bed and you get this knock on the door
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  Speaker 3: and the dog barks, and he's just like, who's here?
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  Speaker 3: And it's some Yahoo riding a Segway scooter up in
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  Speaker 3: the avenues and it's you know, got the haircut.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, ah, yeah, I just wanted to let
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  Speaker 1: you know. We're doing some work in the neighborhood. And
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  Speaker 1: this guy was He's like, we're.
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  Speaker 3: Cleaning some windows in the neighborhood, and I gotta tell you,
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  Speaker 3: we're doing it for pretty cheap. He said it in
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  Speaker 3: exactly that way and exactly that time, We're doing it
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  Speaker 3: for pretty cheap. And I was like, congratulations, I watched
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  Speaker 3: my own windows.
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  Speaker 1: See you later.
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  Speaker 3: Take off, get out of here, and I start to
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  Speaker 3: close the door and he and he throws the next
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  Speaker 3: question out and have a good night, ma'am. Yep, it's
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  Speaker 3: tough because I appreciate the hustle on one hand. On
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  Speaker 3: the other hand, your predatory and I don't like you,
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  Speaker 3: so get out of here.
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  Speaker 16: What's the dumbest purchase now for our listeners, Sean is
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  Speaker 16: our resident frugal spender. Cheap skate is fine, that's fine.
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  Speaker 16: Throughout the history of your existence. What's the dumbest purchase
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  Speaker 16: you've ever made in your life?
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  Speaker 12: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Man, okay, this really is the dumbest purchase I ever
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  Speaker 3: made my life. So when I was probably seventeen years
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  Speaker 3: old and working at Old Navy folding clothes, some hustlers
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  Speaker 3: did the thing where they were like they had set
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  Speaker 3: up like a tent at the State Street parking lot
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  Speaker 3: down in the Southtown area, and they were selling speakers, right,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not like a sound guy. I don't need
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  Speaker 3: home entertainment speakers. But they were like, dude, these are
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  Speaker 3: like thousand dollars speakers. We're selling them for one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and fifty bucks. Now at the time, one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty bucks was a lot of money for me. And
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  Speaker 3: he's just like, these are like a thousand bucks, but
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  Speaker 3: we're selling them for one fifty And I was like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no way. I need.
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  Speaker 9: Those then sounded too good to be true.
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  Speaker 3: Set a way too good to be true, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you know what I'll do is I'll buy
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  Speaker 3: these and then I'll put them on eBay and I'll
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  Speaker 3: make money off of it.
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  Speaker 1: So I bought these speakers. And I remember this very distinctly.
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  Speaker 3: I bought these speakers, and when I left work, I
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  Speaker 3: went straight to my friend's house, okay, and he was
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  Speaker 3: like a sound audio he liked the big sound system guy.
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  Speaker 3: And he had an older step brother who was like
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  Speaker 3: in his twenties who had stopped by the house or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'm telling my friend, I'm just like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I felt like these guys were just selling these speakers
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  Speaker 3: in the parking lot at work, and they're like these
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  Speaker 3: great speakers, and I got a huge discount on and
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  Speaker 3: the older brother's just like, oh, they probably told you
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  Speaker 3: that it was like a warehouse closing sale or something.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, And I'm just like, oh, is this like
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  Speaker 3: a thing? Is this like a scam? Is this something
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  Speaker 3: that's known by people who are older and wiser than me.
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  Speaker 3: I've never felt dumber in my life.
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  Speaker 9: That's brutal. So it was like this this scam they
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  Speaker 9: were running across town.
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  Speaker 3: It was just like yeah, it was just like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: these fell off the truck and you know they're probably
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  Speaker 3: stolen or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I bought him.
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  Speaker 3: And if you ask, did I ever hear sound played
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  Speaker 3: from those speakers? The answer is no, I just I
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  Speaker 3: tried to sell them, couldn't sell them. They ended up
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  Speaker 3: sitting in my parents' basement for like six years.
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  Speaker 1: Just sunk costs. And then my mom was like, what
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  Speaker 1: are we doing with these? I'm like, just I'll throw them. Oy.
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  Speaker 16: I have several options here. The one that comes to
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  Speaker 16: mind as a younger person, I didn't sleep all that well.
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  Speaker 16: I'm not a great sleeper. The mind kind of goes
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  Speaker 16: like this at all times, which could you know something
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  Speaker 16: you can benefit from? But oftentimes it's maddening when you're
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  Speaker 16: trying to lay down and go to bed. Yeah, had
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  Speaker 16: the TV on one night trying to sleep, and there
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  Speaker 16: was like an infomercial for what was called the Soba kalapillow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I remember the Soba calapillow.
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  Speaker 9: Man, Did you ever buy one?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 16: Okay, good, good for you, because what they did is
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  Speaker 16: you're in like this beautiful Japanese garden and there's like
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  Speaker 16: this sense type.
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  Speaker 9: We got Bonzai trees.
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  Speaker 16: They're playing beautiful Japanese soft music in the background, and
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  Speaker 16: they're directly speaking to people that have trouble sleeping, right,
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  Speaker 16: and this Soba calipillow will change your life. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 16: I believe it was only nineteen ninety nine. I'm like,
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  Speaker 16: you know what I'm in. I can't sleep.
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  Speaker 9: They got me. Throw the credit card down, Let's get
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  Speaker 9: the Soba calapillow.
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  Speaker 1: Dude.
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  Speaker 9: It was a bag of sand.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, it was you have one. It is a bag.
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  Speaker 16: It is a bag of buckwheat husks. It was a
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  Speaker 16: bag of sand. It showed up like in three or
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  Speaker 16: four days. I was so pumped open it up. I
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  Speaker 16: laid down on I'm like, I feel like I'm laying
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  Speaker 16: on sand. I did not even use it once. It
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  Speaker 16: was a total waste of time. Answer number two to
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  Speaker 16: this question. You may remember this Once upon a time, kids,
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  Speaker 16: buckle up story time. Once upon a time when you
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  Speaker 16: wanted to buy something, you did not have Amazon at
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  Speaker 16: your disposal, So you went to a place called the mall.
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  Speaker 16: Oh yeah, crossroads ZCMI, what's up? Food court, steak sandwiches,
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  Speaker 16: all the things, and for a while in the mall,
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  Speaker 16: and I asked, you, once upon a time, what's the
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  Speaker 16: dumbest thing you've done in the name of someone you
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  Speaker 16: wanted to date.
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  Speaker 9: This is another answer to that.
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  Speaker 16: Okay, because I was in that timeframe of my life,
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  Speaker 16: I was dating somebody who intellectually was clearly my superior.
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  Speaker 16: Loved reading, loved history, very very smart girl. It's a
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  Speaker 16: regular human rude. But we'll move on, gotcha, not nice work.
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  Speaker 16: She was into things that I was not into. Okay,
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  Speaker 16: very very smart, very into school. Let's read about European
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  Speaker 16: history from the fifteen hundred, stuff like that. And so
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  Speaker 16: there was this like cart that was set up, and
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  Speaker 16: it was cassette tapes of the one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 16: most interesting people in the history of the world. Yes,
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  Speaker 16: and it was like four nine it was like five
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  Speaker 16: hundred dollars. Oh no, it was like four ninety nine.
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  Speaker 16: And I'm like, you know what, I still got a
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  Speaker 16: cassette tape in the old car concept tape deck or
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  Speaker 16: whatever they call the ELK car. I'm gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 16: and buy these, and then over the course in the
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  Speaker 16: next few months, I'm gonna listen to one every couple
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  Speaker 16: of days. And I'm gonna impress this girl with my
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  Speaker 16: knowledge of all these historical figures. Way too expensive, throw
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  Speaker 16: the money down. I'm not sure I listened to one tape.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 16: No idea where it is to this day, but again,
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 16: that was the motivation to try to impress. Probably next
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  Speaker 16: to the soba cowa pillow, it probably is. So those
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  Speaker 16: are my two one hundred and fifty most interesting people
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  Speaker 16: in the world. Cassette tapes for five hundred bucks and
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  Speaker 16: I never used, and a bag of sand that was
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 16: supposed to help me sleep.
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  Speaker 1: As long as we're talking about pillows, remember that my pillow.
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  Speaker 9: Guy, Mike Lindell. Yeah, crack job dude, But.
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  Speaker 3: How did he convince anyone that that pillow was any
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 3: different than every pillow that has ever existed?
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 9: Have you ever tried to my pillow? I don't know
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 9: anything about it.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: They're just pillows. It's not like the soba cow pillow
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 3: really is full of something different sand, it's buckwheat holes. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: fair enough, Okay, they allowed the air to flow freely. No,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't do anything. You got
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 3: those tempor.
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  Speaker 1: Pedic pillows that are like they're made of like a
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: foam or whatever. I use.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 16: My pillow is just a pillow. Really, it's just got
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 16: like stuffing in it. Yeah, and he's not the most
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 16: believable character either. I mean, I'm not sure how he
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 16: was able to convince anybody to buy anything late night infomercial.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 16: The power of late night infomercial, right, I mean, or
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 16: like probably people that still exist in the world day
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 16: to day that actually have jobs, we might underestimate how
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 16: many people are just sitting around watching TV all the time,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 16: like a midday infomercial about crystals that are going to
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 16: save your life or something.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: I must admit that in my youth, in my adulthood,
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan of the infomercial product. I will say
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: no aggressively to the door to door salesman, and then
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: that exact kind of grifter is getting me five times
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: out of ten on the infomercial product.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 9: Have you made infomercial product purchases?
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah you have, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The George Foreman
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: grill great in commercial product.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 16: I also bought a George Foreman grill, which it's such
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 16: a flawed.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: Grill Ian flawless grill. Yeah, dude, the juice just run.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 9: They give you the trad that you lose and everyone
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 9: loses the tray.
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 16: So suddenly your grill and a steak and all the
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 16: juices roll out onto the counter and you got to
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 16: clean it up. And it's I mean, brilliant sales tactic,
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 16: horrifically put together product.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: Love that product. You still have it when me and
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: Jan no, I don't have it anymore.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 3: When me and Jan Jorgensen lived together for a long time,
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 3: we lived together for two three years as roommates.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: We uh, we just had a George Foreman.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 3: We didn't ever clean so it was just like crusted
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 3: and we're like, oh well, it just burns off all
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: the stuff and there's flavor on it that we like.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: Horrific I did. It was horrific. Yeah, So I bought that.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: I bought a Jack L. Lane Juicer.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 9: I remember the lane. They the Lane Chuicer informercial.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 3: I convinced my parents This is one of my greatest
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 3: feats of childhood. I convinced my parents to buy a
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 3: rom Co food dehydrator so we could make our own
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 3: beef jerky.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 1: Was it as good as it looks? It was actually excellent.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that infomercial caught me several times.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So good. My little brother. We got into the
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: sham wall for a minute. That guy was scary.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 9: I was terrified. Yeah, the shake weight almost got me.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 9: I never pulled.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't pull It was just a gag gift, which
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 1: is spectacular.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: Uh flex seal remember the Yes, that stuff actually works
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 3: really well, doesn't really and you can get that in
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 3: stores now though actually Smith's Marketplace, Smith's as a as
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: a s seen on TV section of.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: The store commercial.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I love all that crack the wrongco beef jerky dude,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 16: Dude that almost got food dehydrator was excellent.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 9: That almost got me several times.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: I think the problem is you would have to buy
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 3: your own like chuck roast and slice it up to
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 3: make the beef jerky huh, which made for delay. Let's
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 3: just beep jerky with like fat caps on and everything.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: But then my parents at some point were just like,
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: why am I buying a pot roast for my eleven
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 3: year old?
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 9: Seems rather expensive? Like this is dumb, not very economic. Yeah, anyway,
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 9: shout out to the door to door salesman. Keep doing
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 9: your thing. It's uh, it's tough life.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, do your thing, just not at my house. Yeah,
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: fair enough, stay tuned for the Drive. Oh, any a
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  Speaker 9: Air, Let's not start. Okay, I'm in a mood today.
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