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All Signs Point to This Dark Prophecy Coming True...Dinesh D Souza · Gil I Am

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Ruben Report,
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Speaker 1: and in lieu of a Friday round table extravaganza, I
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Speaker 1: have legendary director. That's right, I'm calling you a legend,
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Speaker 1: Deneche Desuza in studio with me, co hosting the show.
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Speaker 2: Today.
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about your new film, which I
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Speaker 1: watched this morning, which was absolutely fantastic, The Dragon's Prophecy,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to catch up on the news and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. But before we do any of that,
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Speaker 1: you mentioned to me right before that, right before we
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Speaker 1: started filming, that you live in Houston. We're here in Miami.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of sweat, you feel. Are you HAPPI
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Speaker 1: or coming to Miami or is this worse? No, it's worse.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's you know, it's transitioning to fall. So it's
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Speaker 2: a little milder in Miami. Look, you know the tropical
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Speaker 2: look of Miami. Can't beat that. We don't have that
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Speaker 2: in Houston. We have the humidity. But you know, Debbie,
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Speaker 2: my wife and I we joke. She was born in Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: I was born in so we grew up in really.
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Speaker 3: Hotcas So you guys are fine.
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Speaker 1: So we're fine, good, good, Well, listen, I watched the
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Speaker 1: film this morning. I was usually I am able to
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Speaker 1: watch just a short snippet of something before I do
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Speaker 1: an interview, but I saw your interview with Roseanne Barr
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Speaker 1: a few days ago, and the way she was talking
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Speaker 1: about the film, I thought I have to watch the
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Speaker 1: whole thing, and I watched it this morning.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely wonderful. So why don't we first, So we'll
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Speaker 1: show you a quick shot of the movie poster before
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Speaker 1: we get into anything. And obviously people are going to
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Speaker 1: recognize several of those people besides just you on that
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Speaker 1: on that poster right there, Eric Matexis of course who's
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Speaker 1: been on the show, and bb net Yaho and my
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Speaker 1: cuckolbe Etctera, etcetera. And let's show Let's show a quick portion.
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Speaker 1: This is just a small portion, about a minute of
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Speaker 1: the trailer. We'll get into that and then we're gonna connect.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that the movie is coming out
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Speaker 1: in theaters on Monday, as you mentioned, it'll be streaming
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Speaker 1: next Thursday. But it is so timely relative to so
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Speaker 1: many things happening right now, which I don't know if
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Speaker 1: that was coincidence or happenstance or what. Let's take a
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Speaker 1: logally trailer and that we'll on the other side.
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Speaker 4: October seventh was the Devil's hobbit.
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Speaker 2: It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I
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Speaker 2: was there and seeing with my own eyes and seeing
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Speaker 2: them laughing and killing and having fun with it.
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Speaker 4: Because if you don't open the door, they are going
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Speaker 4: to kill you, and they are going to kill me.
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Speaker 3: So please open the door. So who are the Jews?
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Speaker 2: Who are the Palestinians?
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Speaker 3: And whose land is it?
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 2: Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be
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Speaker 2: somehow tied to this place.
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Speaker 4: The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation, so what
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Speaker 4: if there was going to be a resurrection of another
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Speaker 4: people and enemy people of Israel. The Bible speaks about
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Speaker 4: this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy attacking
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Speaker 4: a woman representing Israel.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I think fairly obviously people can see why
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Speaker 1: this is timely and why it's important in all of
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Speaker 1: those things. So first off, where where did the idea
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Speaker 1: for the film come from? And then are you just
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Speaker 1: kind of lucky that was a plan that it will
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Speaker 1: come out around the second anniversary of October presentent. Obviously
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Speaker 1: you didn't know all of the geopolitical stuff that was
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Speaker 1: going to happen. The fact that Trump has now offered
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Speaker 1: this you know, peace plan, that Israel has accepted Hamas
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Speaker 1: now sounds like they're not accepting. There's just a lot
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Speaker 1: of things going out in the world that connect directly
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Speaker 1: back to this.
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Speaker 2: The film is it's a departure from me in the
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Speaker 2: sense that you know, my films and really all of them,
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Speaker 2: in one way or another, are about the meaning of America.
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Speaker 2: With this film, it actually began I've long wanted to
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Speaker 2: do a film on sort of Christian apologetics. I went
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Speaker 2: to Israel for the first time at the end of
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and I discovered that there's all this
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Speaker 2: archaeology going on in which they're pulling out, you know,
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Speaker 2: stones and clay seals and inscriptions out of the ground,
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Speaker 2: and it's validating small details in the Hebrew and the
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Speaker 2: Christian scriptures, kind of showing that the Bible is not
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Speaker 2: like Greek mythology. It's in fact a document about real
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Speaker 2: people and real events. So 's very intrigued by all this,
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Speaker 2: but kind of put it to the side nine months
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Speaker 2: later October seventh, and that's when I got the idea
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Speaker 2: of doing a film that would sort of combine the
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Speaker 2: politics October seventh, the war with biblical archaeology and the link.
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Speaker 2: As I saw it, was the ultimate question being whose
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Speaker 2: land is it? So the archaeology is good not just
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Speaker 2: for authenticating the Bible, but for establishing the ancient presence of.
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Speaker 3: The Jews in that land.
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Speaker 2: And then I came across as fellow Jonathan Kahan, and
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Speaker 2: he had this arresting idea that the battle between Israel
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Speaker 2: and Hamas Israel and the Palestinians, he said, is a
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Speaker 2: kind of recreation of an ancient Biblical conflict between the
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Speaker 2: israel Lights on the one hand, and their longtime enemies,
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Speaker 2: the Philistines. And then he goes on not just to
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Speaker 2: say that the Philistines the Palestinians, it's the same name.
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Speaker 2: He goes on to show the tactics are the same.
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Speaker 2: He draws out this parallel in a very fascinating way.
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Speaker 2: And then my wife is on a telegram channel where
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Speaker 2: she's collecting all the footage of October seventh, and I
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Speaker 2: begin to realize no one has seen this stuff. Apparently
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Speaker 2: the Israeli government decided we're not going to be pushing
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Speaker 2: it out there. We're going to show it to select journalists.
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Speaker 2: But the consequences people know about October seventh, but they
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Speaker 2: don't have that feeling of having been there. Right.
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Speaker 3: So, just to be.
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Speaker 1: Totally here, because I did see the forty seven minute
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Speaker 1: video at an army base in Israel, the stuff that
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Speaker 1: most people have seen is not the worst of the worst,
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Speaker 1: because that's what they didn't want out of respect for
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Speaker 1: the family members of those who were killed and everything else.
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Speaker 1: I mean there are literally, well I'm sure you've seen
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Speaker 1: it that you have some of it in the film,
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Speaker 1: But watching the man be beheaded with the JMASKI smiling
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Speaker 1: and laughing, that wasn't the worst of it. I mean
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Speaker 1: there were things that were worse than that. The two
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Speaker 1: kids running into the bomb shelter, the follower father following them,
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Speaker 1: and then the guy just throws the bomb in. You
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Speaker 1: see them all stumble out and die right there, and
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Speaker 1: he's laughing. I mean it, it's off the charts, insane.
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Speaker 3: It's off the charts.
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Speaker 2: And saying what I found from a cinematic point of view,
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Speaker 2: and this is putting on a movie hat on Is.
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Speaker 2: I said, what's really fascinating here is this is filmed
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Speaker 2: by the attackers, so you're not going to see it
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Speaker 2: from the point of view of the Kibbutzes with the
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Speaker 2: terrorists approaching. It's almost like I'm going to put the
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Speaker 2: audience on a motorcycle with a goal pro and you
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Speaker 2: get to ride over the fence into the Kibbutzes from
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Speaker 2: the Hamas side. Not almost literally no, literally literally, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: And this is not recreations. This is actually we have
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Speaker 2: the opening ten minutes of the film and some of
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Speaker 2: the most brutal stuff is not in there, but there's
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Speaker 2: enough to give you a And this is my filmmaking technique.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: If I go back to two thousand meals, I don't
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Speaker 2: want to tell you about election fraud. I want to
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Speaker 2: kind of put you on the scene. You see a
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Speaker 2: guy pull up in a car at night. He's got
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Speaker 2: a backpack full of ballots. You know, make up your
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Speaker 2: own mind, and similarly here, and I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of the reason why October seventh has not resonated emotionally
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Speaker 2: with enough people is they just haven't seen it. And
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Speaker 2: so that's how the film begins. I think what's different
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Speaker 2: for me, is not only the topic this is my
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Speaker 2: first film that is about Israel, about the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: but it is also the fact that I'm integrating the
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Speaker 2: political with the spiritual, the biblical, and even a hint
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Speaker 2: of the apocalyptic, in other words, Bible prophecy. I think
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Speaker 2: it's a very tantalizing combination and it works in this case.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I really liked it, because I thought
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Speaker 1: going in that I was watching something that was going
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Speaker 1: to be a little more political, but it actually is
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Speaker 1: much more spiritual. And then I guess you could say
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Speaker 1: historically driven. I mean, you go to the city of
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Speaker 1: David and sorry, what's the guy's name again, says zev
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Speaker 1: ornste dev Borns, and who I did the dig at
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Speaker 1: the City of David. Maybe you want to tell people
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Speaker 1: what the city of David is and the excavation they're
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Speaker 1: doing there and how that's connected all this, because it's
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Speaker 1: rather extreme. I mean, you walk in the footsteps of
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Speaker 1: Jesus without question, actually.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well it's the city of David is well, it's
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Speaker 2: built right around David's palace, and you know, this is
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Speaker 2: how this archaeology is in and this is what first
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Speaker 2: piqued my interest. So the renowned archaeologist a Lot Mazar
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Speaker 2: comes to these folks at the city of David, a
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Speaker 2: foundation that does archaeology, and she says, you have to
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Speaker 2: move your office, and so they go. Why she goes
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Speaker 2: because the palace of King David, we think about three
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Speaker 2: thousand years ago, and until recently people didn't even people
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Speaker 2: disputed whether the David even existed. But his actual palace
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Speaker 2: is underneath your feet.
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Speaker 3: And they go all over there, that's right, and they go, well,
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Speaker 3: how on earth would you know that? And listen to this.
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Speaker 3: So she goes.
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Speaker 2: She opens the Old Testament to the Book of Samuel,
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Speaker 2: and she goes, look over here. It says that David
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Speaker 2: invited the Phoenicians, king Hiram of Tire, to send carpenters
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Speaker 2: and stonemasons to build this palace. David could not build
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Speaker 2: a palace. He brought in the experts, the Phoenicians and
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Speaker 2: el at Mazago's we found a Phoenician artifact, a capital,
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Speaker 2: the top part of a.
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Speaker 3: Pillar right here.
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Speaker 2: And so I'm going to infer that that's because the
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Speaker 2: Phoenicians were here and they were building David's palace.
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Speaker 3: Sure enough, you.
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Speaker 2: Dig outcome these giant walls, these giant pillars. So some
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Speaker 2: people eve into the state dispute. Was it a palace,
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Speaker 2: was it a royal administrative center? Well, it was clearly
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Speaker 2: some massive monumental structure, as the archaeologists call it. So,
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Speaker 2: and then the pilgrimage road, which is the ancient road
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Speaker 2: linking the pool of Saloam, I mean the Pool of
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Speaker 2: Salom is important because because millions of Jews over the
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Speaker 2: centuries have ritually bathed in it. It's the size of
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Speaker 2: an Olympic swimming pool. And then there's a half mile
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Speaker 2: pilgrimage road leading to the temple.
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Speaker 1: So I asked them, so what people need to understand, though,
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Speaker 1: is that's largely underground still. I mean, now it's being
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Speaker 1: x but it's basically almost under the old city of
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Speaker 1: Jerusalem sort of leading to it.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: And so when they did the archaeology, they had to
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Speaker 2: preserve the road above versus underground. Archaeology an incredible archaeological project.
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Speaker 2: But I asked zeb, I, go, well, what is the
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Speaker 2: probability that Jesus walked.
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Speaker 3: On that road?
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Speaker 2: And you know in Jerusalem and in Israel generally, there
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Speaker 2: are some archaeological sites disputed, like the road to Calvary.
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Speaker 3: Some people go, it's over here, some people go it's
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Speaker 3: over there.
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Speaker 2: But in this case, Zev says, the probability is one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent because all the out of town Jews so
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Speaker 2: to speak, didn't have their own private bats. They had
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Speaker 2: to come to this math ritually cleanse themselves, go to
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Speaker 2: the temple. So the scenes right out of the Bible,
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Speaker 2: Old and New Testament both kind of spring to life.
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Speaker 2: And the reason I have that in the film is
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Speaker 2: because Jonathan Kahn gives an exposition kind of from a
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Speaker 2: Biblical point of view. But I have also a secular
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Speaker 2: audience that's going to go, well, gee, how do we
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Speaker 2: know that Ponchous Pilot or Jera Maya Isaiah King Day?
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Speaker 2: How do we know these are real people? So the
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Speaker 2: archaeological section is a way of saying, guess what. I
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Speaker 2: couldn't answer that question fifty years ago, but now I can.
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Speaker 2: And I even offer the tantalizing ideas that as the
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Speaker 2: world is becoming more secular sort of, God is speaking
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Speaker 2: back and speaking back through the language of science. That's
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Speaker 2: what makes this so powerful. It's you look at a seal,
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Speaker 2: it's a clay seal. It has the name of some
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Speaker 2: obscure guy in the Bible mentioned only once, and then
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Speaker 2: you go, well, all the people who've been telling me
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Speaker 2: for one hundred years of the Bible was written centuries later,
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't have known about this guy. This guy was
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Speaker 2: the royal steward, the King Josiah in like the sixth
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Speaker 2: century BC.
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Speaker 1: Is that the weirdest part of what connects it to
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Speaker 1: the political part, which is that the deeper you go down,
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Speaker 1: the more you find out. And that doesn't seem to
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Speaker 1: match the narrative of what of whatever you want to
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Speaker 1: call them. The anti israel set want you to believe
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Speaker 1: that the facts are literally right there.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, think about it. The main left wing
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Speaker 2: critique of Israel is that the Jews are colonizers.
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Speaker 3: Now, first of all, how do you colonize your own land? Right?
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Speaker 2: This is like accusing the Irish of colonizing Ireland, the
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Speaker 2: Indians of colonizing India. It makes no sense. Not only that,
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Speaker 2: but it's quite obvious that the colonization, to the degree
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Speaker 2: that there is one, is from the Islamic side. Right
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Speaker 2: in the middle of Jerusalem is the site of the
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Speaker 2: Solomonic Temple, built by Solomon later rebuilt by Herod the
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Speaker 2: Second Temple. This is supposedly on the site where Abraham
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Speaker 2: was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac. So it is
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Speaker 2: far and away the holiest site in Judaism and Christianity.
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Speaker 2: And yet what is sitting on top of it right
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Speaker 2: now an Islamic conquest arch known as the Dome of
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Speaker 2: the Rock and adjoining it the Alaxa Mosque. So not
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Speaker 2: only is this a sign of the Muslims basically saying
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Speaker 2: we're here now and we've taking it over, they would
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Speaker 2: have been happy to have been called colonized, as they
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Speaker 2: were very proud of it, kind of like haw Maas
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Speaker 2: was really proud of October seventh. But we also look
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Speaker 2: at it in a deeper sense. It's almost as if
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Speaker 2: there is there is a an endless war raging between
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Speaker 2: God and the devil, and the theme of the film
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Speaker 2: is that the devil imitates God, he inverts God's strategy,
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Speaker 2: and so what is more wonderful for the devil than
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Speaker 2: to take the holiest site in Judaism and Christianity and
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Speaker 2: go sit on top of it. And that is exactly
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Speaker 2: what he's doing right now.
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Speaker 1: So that is a perfect segue to this segment or
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Speaker 1: this portion that I wanted to show people where you
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Speaker 1: ask commentator Eric Stackleback about the uniqueness as it pertains
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Speaker 1: anti semitism, because that obviously is connected to a lot
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Speaker 1: of the hatred of Israel.
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Speaker 3: Let's say, take look, what do you make Eric of antisemitism.
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Speaker 2: It seems to be a cousin of racism, and yet
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Speaker 2: it's different. In racism, there's an effort by a group
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Speaker 2: of people to say I'm up here and you're down there.
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Speaker 3: You're inferior to me.
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Speaker 2: But that's hard to say about the Jews because they
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Speaker 2: are far and away the most successful tribe in world history.
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Speaker 2: So anti Semitism is not simply a looking down on
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Speaker 2: the Jews, but in some weird way, it's a looking
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Speaker 2: up to the Jews.
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Speaker 5: It's the world's oldest hatred. Certainly demonic a spiritual driver
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Speaker 5: to it, but much of it is based on envy.
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Speaker 5: People have asked why the Jews the devil hates the
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Speaker 5: Jewish people because they represent the existence of God. You
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Speaker 5: can't explain the existence and the rebirth of Israel without
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Speaker 5: bringing God into the picture. Where else in human history
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Speaker 5: have we seen a people after two thousand years of disbursement,
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Speaker 5: they return to that homeland, they revive the Hebrew language
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Speaker 5: and it's in regular use for the first time in
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Speaker 5: twenty five hundred years.
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Speaker 3: And you're saying it has to be a miracle.
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Speaker 5: It's a miracle.
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Speaker 1: So then is Israel just that now the avatar for
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Speaker 1: all the hatred because it became a ridiculously successful, safe,
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Speaker 1: largely safe, i should say, flourishing society. That is the
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Speaker 1: envy of much of that part of the world, and
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Speaker 1: perhaps now what we're seeing across the Western world.
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Speaker 2: So I think, and I think Eric alludes to this,
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Speaker 2: there is a natural and a supernatural dimension to it,
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Speaker 2: and let's take a moment on each. The natural dimension is,
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Speaker 2: in fact, that anti Semitism is a disguised form of envy.
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Speaker 3: The guy who's doing badly.
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Speaker 2: In the world likes to say that the Jews are
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Speaker 2: doing better than his group. Not because they are smarter,
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Speaker 2: not because they work harder, not because they are more industrious,
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Speaker 2: not because they study more, not because they have more
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Speaker 2: Nobel laureates and have made more discoveries. It's because they
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Speaker 2: are uniquely wicked. They are willing to stoop to things
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Speaker 2: that I in my group, the virtuous group would never
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Speaker 2: stoop to. So this is the natural human explanation, and
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Speaker 2: it applies not exclusively to Jews. Other successful tribes get
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Speaker 2: kind of the same thing. The supernatural explanation I think
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Speaker 2: is worth adding to it, because I think the natural
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Speaker 2: explanation by itself is not doesn't give the full account
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Speaker 2: of it. The supernatural explanation is this that, going back
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Speaker 2: to the very beginning the rebel angels in heaven, God
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Speaker 2: is fighting and the devil, the devil can never defeat God,
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Speaker 2: and so the devil develops a new strategy, which is
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Speaker 2: to pick on the things that God cares about. So like,
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Speaker 2: why does in Genesis one, why does the devil tempt
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Speaker 2: Adam and Eve? What has he got against Adam and e?
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Speaker 2: What have Adam and Ev done to him?
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Speaker 3: Nothing?
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Speaker 2: But his idea is that if I can ruin God's creation,
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Speaker 2: I get the last laugh on God. That's my ultimate
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Speaker 2: revenge and God. And in a sense, the devil picks
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Speaker 2: on the Jews for the exact same reason. And the
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Speaker 2: Jews are the people of God. And by the people
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Speaker 2: of God here I mean I don't mean chosenness in
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Speaker 2: some esoteric sense. I just mean this is the instrument
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Speaker 2: by which we get the New we get the Ten Commandments,
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Speaker 2: the Law, the prophets. So the Jews are witnesses in
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Speaker 2: a way to God in that sense.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: So if that's the case, the devil goes, Okay, I
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Speaker 2: need to ruin those people.
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Speaker 3: How do I do it?
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Speaker 2: First of all, I push them out from the river
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Speaker 2: to the sea. I get rid of them. And number two,
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Speaker 2: I go occupy their holiest place, and I declared off limits.
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Speaker 2: And the Jews can't worship at the side of their
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Speaker 2: of their own temple, accept at the whaling wall. So
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Speaker 2: the idea here is that the Jews and by extension,
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Speaker 2: the Christians, because the Christians are, you know, Jesus, we
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Speaker 2: present ourselves as spiritual Israelites. We are engrafted onto the
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Speaker 2: Jewish Covenant.
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Speaker 3: That's how the New Testament relates to the Old.
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Speaker 2: So if the Bible is right, you would expect to
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Speaker 2: see now in a kind of end times or the
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Speaker 2: last Age and increased hostility to the Jews and increased
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Speaker 2: persecution of the Christians. And not only is that what
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Speaker 2: we see, it's coming from the same people. And I
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Speaker 2: don't just mean it's the radical Muslims. On the one hand,
18:04
Speaker 2: but notice it's also coming from the secular left. The
18:07
Speaker 2: secular left hates Israel. The secular left hates the Christians
18:11
Speaker 2: and the radical Muslims, and the secular left who would
18:14
Speaker 2: not seem to have a lot in common, Like what
18:16
Speaker 2: does an.
18:17
Speaker 3: LGBTQ guy have, you know, in.
18:19
Speaker 2: Common with He's not going to move to Gaza, his
18:21
Speaker 2: life isn't going to be that good. And similarly, you
18:24
Speaker 2: can't take a bunch of you know, Jihadis and put
18:26
Speaker 2: them at the folsome Street fair.
18:28
Speaker 3: They're not going to fit in so well. So this
18:31
Speaker 3: odd strange.
18:33
Speaker 2: Bedfellows are united by hatred of the Jews and the Christians,
18:38
Speaker 2: and I think so this is where the movie comes out.
18:40
Speaker 2: The Jews and the Christians need to come together. The
18:44
Speaker 2: Christians and Israel need to come together, recognizing that we
18:49
Speaker 2: have a common adversary in both radical Islam and in
18:53
Speaker 2: the secular left.
18:55
Speaker 1: Right. That's actually one of the best explanations of the
18:57
Speaker 1: Red Green Alliance that I've ever heard. There's obviously a
19:00
Speaker 1: religious portion of it that's mostly coming from radical Islam, right,
19:05
Speaker 1: but then the hyper secular version of it is what
19:08
Speaker 1: the left now is, which is just we hate Western society.
19:12
Speaker 1: That thing represents Western society. Let's go all in.
19:15
Speaker 2: And the way that the left incorporates this is they
19:19
Speaker 2: treat the radical Muslims as another ethnic group. So the
19:23
Speaker 2: left says, all right, we got we got the blacks
19:25
Speaker 2: over here, we got the feminists over there, we got
19:27
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ over here. All right, then here we have
19:31
Speaker 2: the ilhan Omar people, the mom Dannie people, you know,
19:36
Speaker 2: the illegals who have come in from Iran. They're going
19:40
Speaker 2: to be just one more constituency group, and we will
19:42
Speaker 2: treat them in that way. It's it's a very dangerous
19:45
Speaker 2: game they're playing, but they the left thinks we can
19:48
Speaker 2: incorporate them. The radical Muslims think we don't have very
19:52
Speaker 2: good entree into this society. Right, the left will let
19:55
Speaker 2: us into the boardrooms, they will get us, they will
19:58
Speaker 2: connect us with George Soros all the other people we
20:00
Speaker 2: need to meet. So it's the alliance has worked out
20:03
Speaker 2: for both sides.
20:04
Speaker 1: Right the Unfortunately for the lefties, they just get beheaded
20:07
Speaker 1: a little lower on the neck, right, and then they
20:09
Speaker 1: start to bury their head in the sand a bit more,
20:12
Speaker 1: but the beheading still ends up coming. So clearly people
20:14
Speaker 1: can see how this is connected to so much what's
20:16
Speaker 1: going on? Let me just ask you one other question,
20:18
Speaker 1: then we'll connect this to some of the news of
20:20
Speaker 1: the week, which I don't want you to give away
20:22
Speaker 1: the full conclusion of the movie per se, But are
20:26
Speaker 1: you hopeful there's a way out of a seemingly intractable
20:30
Speaker 1: problem that's a political problem, but now you're also arguing
20:34
Speaker 1: is a spiritual problem.
20:35
Speaker 2: Let's say, yeah, I think it needs to be dealt
20:38
Speaker 2: with at both levels. I mean, my reason for having
20:40
Speaker 2: that in Yahoo in the film, for example, is to
20:42
Speaker 2: talk politics, but.
20:45
Speaker 3: I also ask him questions like what do you think
20:47
Speaker 3: of Jesus? You know, and I think he.
20:51
Speaker 2: Very interestingly talks about the jewishness of Jesus and the
20:56
Speaker 2: fact and you know, these days, of course, the left
20:58
Speaker 2: is trying to say Jesus was Palestinian or so there
21:04
Speaker 2: is a political solution. What you have here with the
21:08
Speaker 2: political solution is, you know, Trump comes in and he'll
21:11
Speaker 2: say something that seems on the face of it absurd.
21:13
Speaker 2: Gaza needs to be another riviera. People laugh this. God
21:18
Speaker 2: doesn't even know what he's talking about. But Trump is
21:20
Speaker 2: like a real estate guy, right, He looks at the
21:22
Speaker 2: rubble and he goes. You know, I see some opportunities
21:25
Speaker 2: for some new buildings and clean streets and safe neighborhoods
21:29
Speaker 2: and people going to work, and high tech companies and prosperity.
21:32
Speaker 2: So let's offer these people another road. They may not
21:37
Speaker 2: take it. They may be too twisted, they may be
21:39
Speaker 2: too indoctrinated, they may love blood, but at least they
21:44
Speaker 2: are being given an option. I think that's really what's
21:46
Speaker 2: on the table here. Now. The spiritual side of it,
21:49
Speaker 2: I think is very important and is particularly relevant after
21:52
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, and that is the sort of mood of renewal,
21:58
Speaker 2: of a need for us to connect the political to
22:01
Speaker 2: the moral to the spiritual. And I think this film
22:04
Speaker 2: actually fits that mood very well because where the film
22:07
Speaker 2: comes out, I don't mind giving away the ending, and
22:10
Speaker 2: these kinds of films, the plot, so to speak, is
22:13
Speaker 2: not Keith's the experience of the film. The ending is
22:16
Speaker 2: basically saying this, look, if God is raised back the
22:21
Speaker 2: Jews and brought him back to their ancestral homeland, and
22:24
Speaker 2: if the devil has decided, let me recreate in a
22:27
Speaker 2: modern way the enemies of Israel, the Philistines, you know,
22:30
Speaker 2: the Moabites, the Malakites. So if things are going back,
22:35
Speaker 2: then we have to go back. And by we, I
22:38
Speaker 2: mean the Jews are going back.
22:40
Speaker 3: Right.
22:40
Speaker 2: You've got young nineteen year olds and twenty two year
22:43
Speaker 2: olds in Israel and they're putting on the armor of
22:45
Speaker 2: the ancient Israelites. And the message of the film is, hey, Christians,
22:50
Speaker 2: we need to do the same thing. We need to
22:51
Speaker 2: go back to the way Christians were in the Book
22:53
Speaker 2: of Acts. I mean the main difference I think between
22:56
Speaker 2: Christianity and Islam right now in the world. Islam has
22:59
Speaker 2: not lost the force of its original revelation. Christianity in
23:03
Speaker 2: many ways has and so the renewal, I think, is
23:07
Speaker 2: to recover that, to recover the kind of energy of
23:11
Speaker 2: the early apostles who are on fire for the fate.
23:16
Speaker 2: Now there are Christians like this, by the way, in Nigeria.
23:18
Speaker 2: This is why the radical Muslims want to behead them.
23:22
Speaker 2: Because Islam is spreading basically by having eight kids, and
23:26
Speaker 2: Christianity is spreading by conversion. So it's a competition and
23:29
Speaker 2: the Muslims are a worried about it and they want
23:31
Speaker 2: to stop.
23:32
Speaker 1: Do you think that Christian revival is the only thing
23:35
Speaker 1: that will stop radical Islam throughout the West. I mean,
23:37
Speaker 1: we're going to get to what happened in Manchester yesterday
23:40
Speaker 1: in just a second. But I mean I see no
23:41
Speaker 1: other way sort of for Europe to combat what's happening.
23:46
Speaker 2: I think it's a necessary part, and I would put
23:49
Speaker 2: it philosophically in this framework. Athens and Jerusalem neither one
23:53
Speaker 2: can stand by itself. These are the two pillars of
23:56
Speaker 2: the West. Now, Athens at some level doesn't need a defense, right,
23:59
Speaker 2: It's Socrates is it's Marcus Aurelius, it is, it's the
24:02
Speaker 2: Greek theater, it's Pericles and the foundations of democracy. But
24:06
Speaker 2: Athens has always been nourished and sustained by Jerusalem, which
24:09
Speaker 2: is Abraham and Moses and the prophetic tradition and the
24:14
Speaker 2: idea of a moral law that is outside of us,
24:17
Speaker 2: not merely inwardly generated, that puts claims on us. And
24:23
Speaker 2: I think the founders would have said that the good
24:25
Speaker 2: life is to combine both. That was those were the
24:30
Speaker 2: sort of that was the soil of the American founding.
24:33
Speaker 2: So the restoration of the West requires, I think a
24:39
Speaker 2: revival of Jerusalem even more so than Athens and Athens
24:44
Speaker 2: ultimately needs to be saved by Jerusalem the way it
24:48
Speaker 2: was in.
24:48
Speaker 3: The history of the West.
24:49
Speaker 2: I mean, when we read Aristotle and when we read Socrates,
24:53
Speaker 2: we're actually not getting the ancient Greeks the way they were.
24:57
Speaker 2: The ancient Greek society was incredibly blood thirsty. It had
25:01
Speaker 2: widespread slavery, It was brutal in a manner that we
25:04
Speaker 2: would find unendurable today we get when we go to
25:08
Speaker 2: you know, we go to Yale and Dartmouth. We study
25:10
Speaker 2: Greece as filtered through Jerusalem.
25:13
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25:16
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