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INTERVIEW: Rep. Ro Khanna Talks Epstein Files, War Powers Resolution, Iran, Plans For Higher Office + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Indeed, you got a special guest in the building.
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Speaker 2: We have Arokanna, US representative from California's seventeenth congressional district.
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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, I'm excited to be back. All right,
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Speaker 1: how are you feeling feel good? I'm recovering from a cold,
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Speaker 1: but better Now, do you.
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Speaker 3: Feel like it's a target on you? Rol YaST of
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Speaker 3: all everything that you're doing well?
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Speaker 1: My guy said, I've taken on too many fights. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I took on uh the Epstein class. Absolutely, I've taken
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Speaker 1: on out.
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Speaker 4: I don't think you would have the Epstein file if
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Speaker 4: it wasn't for you know, the legislation that y'all implemented.
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Speaker 1: Now the survivors get the most credit. But then Massey
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Speaker 1: and I, you know, when we started that it was
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Speaker 1: way uphill and people thought we were crazy. So we've
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Speaker 1: taken on some very powerful people. Then I've taken on Apac.
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Speaker 1: They don't like me then I'm Massy and I are
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Speaker 1: doing the IROD War Powers Resolution this Thursday. So there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of the iradiate American community that's upset at
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Speaker 1: me because they want us to get into a war.
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Speaker 1: And then Bertie Sanders and I are talking about taxing millionaires,
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Speaker 1: so the billionaires are upset at me. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: some people say you picked too many fights at once,
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Speaker 1: but my view is we got to pick more fights
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Speaker 1: against the established class of this country. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I joke around because I'm not the most charismatic person,
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Speaker 1: but I say courage is the new charisma. What people
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Speaker 1: want is actual conviction, people who are going to stand
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Speaker 1: up for working class, middle class families against folks who
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Speaker 1: rigged the system.
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Speaker 5: Well, my first question is you talked about picking a
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Speaker 5: lot of fights. I think that that is important given
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Speaker 5: the fact that we're hearing over and over again that
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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party writ large, especially in Congress, is not
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Speaker 5: picking enough fights. What was the intention behind working with
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Speaker 5: Codgerson Massy. Do you all see a growing portfolio of
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Speaker 5: how you all will work together or was this just
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Speaker 5: two people trying to do the right thing because that's
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Speaker 5: what the moment required.
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Speaker 1: We started out being against war. You know the famous line,
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Speaker 1: you got money for war but not for the poor. That'sac.
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Speaker 6: That's Tupac's quote modification.
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Speaker 1: But yes, I can't wrap, but I know thet I
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Speaker 1: know the basic lines, same thing. But Tupac said that
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Speaker 1: Dwight Isaenhower said that every dollars spent on a warship,
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Speaker 1: every dollar spent on a bomb, every dollar spent on
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Speaker 1: a missile is a dollar not being spent on a
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Speaker 1: school or a hospital. And this country keeps voting for
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Speaker 1: people who say they're not going to get us into war,
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Speaker 1: and they keep getting us into wars both sides. We
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Speaker 1: got into Iraq, I was opposed to it. We got
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Speaker 1: into Libya, I was opposed to it. We got into
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Speaker 1: a war with Yemen. I was opposed to it, as
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Speaker 1: was Thomas Massey. And we don't want to get into
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Speaker 1: billions of our dollars in our service members dying in Iran.
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Speaker 1: So Thomas Massey and I started out this year working
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Speaker 1: on the Iran Warpowers Resolution. We've been trying to stop
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Speaker 1: this war for the past year. Then what happened is
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Speaker 1: he saw that I had put out an amendment to
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Speaker 1: say we need to release the Epstein files, because it's
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Speaker 1: the same group of people who have offshored our jobs
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Speaker 1: who get us into these wars, who were covering up,
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Speaker 1: in my view, for doing some awful things to young
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Speaker 1: women on Epstein's island or Epstein's ranch. And he said, roll,
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Speaker 1: why don't we team up on this? And I said, Thomas,
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Speaker 1: we keep being on the losing side of votes. He said, well,
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Speaker 1: let's do this. And we did it. And people are like, oh,
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Speaker 1: these conspiracy theoristics. I said, no, this is real corruption.
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Speaker 1: These are rich and powerful people who think they're above
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Speaker 1: the law. And we got Marjorie Taylor Green, we got
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Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, we got Lauren Bobert, we got the entire
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and we finally forced Donald Trump to actually
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Speaker 1: sign this bill. I don't think Trump still knows he
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Speaker 1: signed my bill, a Democrats bill.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: It is the only time a Democrat has actually won
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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump legislatively this whole term. And it's because
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Speaker 1: we built a unique coalition, you know, and Nancy Basin I,
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Speaker 1: you know, we got into it with charl Wade on
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Speaker 1: one of these sessions, and it takes something. So I
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Speaker 1: went with humility. I said, you know, Nancy I know
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Speaker 1: we had that issue, but let's come together. And she
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Speaker 1: said she's a survivor of sexual assault and it was
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Speaker 1: personal for her. And I'll say today show, she showed
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Speaker 1: enormous courage, enormous courage in standing with those survivors and
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Speaker 1: not being bullied by Trump. Massey is facing a primary
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Speaker 1: challenge billionaires funding against him. I'm facing a primary challenge
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Speaker 1: billionaires funding this guy against me today.
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Speaker 5: Are you concerned about the primary challenger because this is
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Speaker 5: mostly centered around the billionaire tax.
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Speaker 1: Billion billionaire tax and the Epstein Epstein class. I mean
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Speaker 1: it's all connected. Some of them say, people who are
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Speaker 1: against the BILLI tax are also have their names all
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Speaker 1: over the Epstein files. Who is part of the f
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Speaker 1: Stein class. A lot of them are billionaires. So am
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Speaker 1: I concerned? I'm in politics, you never know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take it seriously. I'm going to fight hard.
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Speaker 1: Massy's gonna fight hard. I think we're going to prevail
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Speaker 1: because I think we're on the right side of the
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Speaker 1: issue in terms of taking on the f Stein class,
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Speaker 1: in terms of saying the billionaire should have a little
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Speaker 1: more tax. You know, I just want to give out
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Speaker 1: one statistic nineteen billionaires in this country own twelve point
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Speaker 1: five percent of the wealth. Twelve point five percent of
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Speaker 1: the wealth. In the Gilded Age with Rockefeller, with Morgan,
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Speaker 1: with Vanderbilt, that class appoints zero zero, zero zero one
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Speaker 1: percent on four percent of the wealth. I guess what,
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Speaker 1: They built libraries, and they build universities, and they built hospitals.
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Speaker 1: We don't have that with the billionaires. So if you
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Speaker 1: could raise their tax by a few percent on their wealth,
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Speaker 1: and you can have Medicare, and you can reverse the
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Speaker 1: medigate cuts, and you can have childcare, and you can
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Speaker 1: have teachers being paid sixty thousand dollars, and you could
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Speaker 1: give the three thousand dollars check every year to people
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Speaker 1: making under one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I think
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Speaker 1: that's a reasonable thing. So everyone has an economic state.
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Speaker 3: I agree.
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Speaker 2: What shocks you the most about the Epstein files that
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Speaker 2: you saw, it's.
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Speaker 1: Like, how is everyone involved in it? How does this
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Speaker 1: guy know more people than like heads of state? Why?
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Speaker 3: I'd be like, who the fuck is Jeffrey people? How
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Speaker 3: he connected all these folks?
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Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, let me arrange a meaning for the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of India. Let me go talk to the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of England with what they're doing in terms
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Speaker 1: of trades. Let me do something with the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: of Israel. Let me talk. You know, he's got people
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Speaker 1: who know Putin. How is it that every single person
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Speaker 1: wants to be at his parties? Every Silicon Valley big shot.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm in the files. I'm not saying they
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Speaker 1: did something wrong, but like they all want to be
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Speaker 1: part of his club.
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Speaker 4: You believe he's a time traveler, asking man. The way
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Speaker 4: he's connected to everybody is kind of spooky.
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Speaker 3: It don't seem normal.
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Speaker 1: It does not say normal. I mean, I don't who
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Speaker 1: could be a former president? And I don't know how
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Speaker 1: you have that kind of network where everyone wants to
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Speaker 1: come to your events, everyone wants to come to your parties.
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Speaker 1: You know. The former Prince Andrew, his former girlfriend said,
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Speaker 1: you're a loser if you're not part of the Epstein Files,
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Speaker 1: because it means you weren't part of the n Club.
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Speaker 3: Hey, that's crazy.
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Speaker 7: How does this war affect the momentum of the Epstein Files?
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Speaker 7: Because we were really getting somewhere and then all of
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Speaker 7: a sudden, you know, the war broke out.
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Speaker 1: Well, Massey believes it's a total distraction, and I certainly
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Speaker 1: think Trump wanted to change the headlines. You know, remember
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Speaker 1: what the story was right before this bombing. Then a
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Speaker 1: young woman accused Donald Trump of rape when she was thirteen. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear it was just an accusation.
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Speaker 1: But here's what concerns me. There were four times this
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Speaker 1: woman was interviewed by the FBI. Now, the FBI doesn't
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Speaker 1: just interview someone four times randomly. They obviously thought, okay,
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Speaker 1: let me interview her. Fine, ok. They release one of
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Speaker 1: those interviews. Three of those interviews are not released, Like,
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Speaker 1: what are you hiding? What are you hiding? I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying whether they're true or not, but don't you think
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Speaker 1: if there are three other interview files and someone has
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Speaker 1: made accusations against the presidented States and you were required
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Speaker 1: to release all the files, you should release them. So
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Speaker 1: that was the story right before Iran. Absolutely, and then
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Speaker 1: we have this whole Iran war. And you know, I
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Speaker 1: believe that Donald Trump wants to talk about anything other
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Speaker 1: than Epstein. And in this country, we have not had accountability.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Lutnik is still the second in commerce a question.
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Speaker 4: You know, people always want to know why didn't Democrats
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Speaker 4: put out the Epstein files when Biden, can.
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Speaker 3: You just explain to us plainly, Yeah, why I didn't have.
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Speaker 1: But first all they should have, like, I don't make
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Speaker 1: this say Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Democrat Republican thing. I think,
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Speaker 1: having gotten to know the survivors, they've been shafted and
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Speaker 1: they've been abandoned for the past thirty years, and it
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Speaker 1: should have been qualified us who were speaking out earlier.
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Speaker 1: And I think Thomas Massey would say the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Here's the problem, though, it took a law off Congress
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Speaker 1: because the Justice Department couldn't release those files without Congress.
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Speaker 1: There's a law or a policy of justice that says
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Speaker 1: if you do not charge someone, you can't release the files.
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Speaker 1: So under the Justice Department with Merrick Garland, they had
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Speaker 1: to come to Congress and say, hey, pass this law
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Speaker 1: so we can release it. And it just was not
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Speaker 1: something they did. Pam BONDI was being if she was
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Speaker 1: being honest, she would have said, look, yeah, I want
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Speaker 1: to release these files, but I can't. I need Congress
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Speaker 1: to act. Instead, they fought tooth and nil to prevent
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Speaker 1: us from releasing these files. That I don't you know,
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Speaker 1: if you look at the press conferences we had with
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Speaker 1: the survivors showmen, and in the beginning, we were pleading
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Speaker 1: with Trump. This was not partisan. We had survivors Haley Ropson,
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Speaker 1: who voted for Trump, who said, mister President, you'll be
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Speaker 1: the greatest president, please release the files. We want justice.
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Speaker 1: That Marjorie Taylor Green was on there. She wasn't in
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Speaker 1: it to try to get Trump. She said, Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: you're going to be the greatest. You're going to be
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Speaker 1: the president who actually releases the files. She actually thought
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Speaker 1: Trump would do it. It only became against Trump when
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Speaker 1: he called it a huax when he refused to release
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Speaker 1: these files, when he's refused to have any prosecution or investigation.
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Speaker 1: So I think what made this powerful from a perspective
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party is I would argue it is the
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Speaker 1: first time Democrats since Donald Trump came down the escalator
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Speaker 1: have tried to actually work with anyone who's a Trump
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Speaker 1: voter and said like, yeah, we hear you. Yeah, there
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Speaker 1: are a bunch of corrupt elites or in our government
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Speaker 1: and they're shafting you, and we're going to call them out.
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Speaker 1: And you know what happened when we did that. We
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Speaker 1: actually got a coalition that got mag got to split
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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 4: What do you hope to accomplish though, because I saw
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Speaker 4: Nancy May say yesterday nobody's going to be held accountable,
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Speaker 4: Like she says she has no faith in the justice
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Speaker 4: system whatsoever, nothing is going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Well, there are two. First of all, around the world,
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Speaker 1: people have been held accountable, right former Prince Andrew.
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Speaker 3: The year in America she was talking about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but in America people have been held accountable in
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Speaker 1: terms of losing their job. Now, I don't think that's enough,
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Speaker 1: But you know, you had the head of a major
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Speaker 1: law firm los his job, Goldman Sachs lawyer. You've had
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Speaker 1: people resign in powerful corporate positions. But you know, Nancy
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Speaker 1: Mason and I are actually partnering to get two subpoenas out,
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Speaker 1: One to Bill Gates because he's got questions to answer,
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Speaker 1: and that shows by the way that this is not partisan.
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Speaker 1: Bill Gates has contributed a lot more to Democrats than
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Speaker 1: he has contributed to Republicans, and one to Howard Lutnik.
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Speaker 1: And Lutnick was there with his entire family doing allegedly
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Speaker 1: business with Epstein well after Donald Trump had said that
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Speaker 1: Epstein is doing terrible things with young girls, and he's
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Speaker 1: got them in the cabinet. So do I believe that
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Speaker 1: people will be held accountable, Not under this attorney general,
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Speaker 1: not under Pambondi. But what we need is the next
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Speaker 1: president to actually appoint people who are going to prosecute this.
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Speaker 1: By the way, there's no statute of limitations for sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking none.
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Speaker 5: You brought up the attorney general, and right before this
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Speaker 5: you talked about Merrick Garland, who of course is our
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Speaker 5: past attorney general. When you think about some of his
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Speaker 5: greatest failures, it sounds like Epstein files is certainly one
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Speaker 5: of them for you. But what about his failure to
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Speaker 5: timely prosecute Donald Trump? Which of those do you think
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Speaker 5: is the more egregious error?
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Speaker 1: Well, not prosecuting Donald Trump. I mean, I look, I
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Speaker 1: respect Mark Garland. He may he may have been a
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Speaker 1: fine Supreme Court justice, but he was not the right
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Speaker 1: person for that time for being attorney general.
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Speaker 6: He couldn't get across the fish line.
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Speaker 1: The vice you know, Vice President Harris, who great and
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Speaker 1: a lot of things as vice president. I mean, she
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Speaker 1: would have had a very different attitude if she was
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Speaker 1: attorney general. I mean, there are other people we could
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Speaker 1: have appointed who were not her, But I'm saying of
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Speaker 1: that temperament because you saw her question in Kavanov. You
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Speaker 1: saw her questioning of those Supreme Court justices. That's how
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Speaker 1: she became a star. She was civil, but she was
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Speaker 1: tough and she knew what was at stake. That's how
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Speaker 1: she became vice president in my view, and we needed
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Speaker 1: someone of that temperament who was like, I am going
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Speaker 1: to stand for justice. And by the way, when we
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Speaker 1: get power again, I'm all for reconciliation. I'm all for
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Speaker 1: bringing the country together, but we cannot move on without accountability.
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Speaker 1: The people who've killed Alex Preddie need to be prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: The people who dismantled Doge against the constitution need to
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Speaker 1: be prosecuted. The people who have gotten us into wars
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Speaker 1: without authorization or killed people on boats in the Caribbean,
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Speaker 1: they need to be held accountable. We need accountability, and
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Speaker 1: this Epstein class needs to have prosecutions and investigations. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you have Les Wexner who's in Ohio. Allegedly he's gone
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Speaker 1: millions of dollars with ties to Epstein, and he's never
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Speaker 1: been interviewed He's never had the DJ come and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you what happened. Bill Gates has never
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Speaker 1: had someone ask him what happened. I'm not saying Bill
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Speaker 1: Gates did something wrong, but if you know this person
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Speaker 1: so well who's a pedophile, and you have twelve hundred
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Speaker 1: survivors making statements to the FBI, don't you think that
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Speaker 1: someone would knock on your door or give you a
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Speaker 1: phone call say hey, what do you know?
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Speaker 7: You guys recently traveled to Ohio though, to speak with
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Speaker 7: Lex Wesner. Right, what were you guys hoping to find
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Speaker 7: when you went to oppose him?
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Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't there, but Garcia and others were there,
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Speaker 1: And what we wanted to know is what his extensive
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Speaker 1: relationship was with Epstein. You know, there were alleged ties
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Speaker 1: that he was recruiting models and what that relationship was
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Speaker 1: with these young girls and what they promised modeling careers
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Speaker 1: in exchange for basically being abused or raped. And you know,
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Speaker 1: he kept denying everything. But why does it take a
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Speaker 1: congressional commit ask in these questions. Why is the FBI
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Speaker 1: never asked any questions?
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Speaker 7: And where are we on the release of the entire
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Speaker 7: of steam files, Like, I know, we've released three million,
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Speaker 7: three point five million, and then we're trying to get
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Speaker 7: the entire files released. Yes, where are we on that?
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Speaker 1: We've released half and the half is pretty bad. It's
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Speaker 1: got the whole country talking about it. And yet the
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Speaker 1: half that we haven't seen is even worse. And why
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Speaker 1: is that worse? What is the stuff they haven't released? Right,
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Speaker 1: without getting into all the wonkiness, it's basically the survivor's
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Speaker 1: own statements to the FBI. All of these survivors, twelve
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Speaker 1: hundred of them, they get interviewed by the FBI agents
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Speaker 1: and that's where they name names. That's where they say,
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Speaker 1: you know what, this person raped me, this person abused me.
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Speaker 1: Do I believe that we should just take that testimony
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Speaker 1: as the word of truth? No, but that should come out,
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Speaker 1: that should spill on investigations.
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Speaker 2: Why hasn't it come out yet?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it affects the reputation of everyone from allegedly
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Speaker 1: the president of the United States down. That's the that's
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Speaker 1: the stuff where the names are. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: you do know it's.
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Speaker 4: Mutually a showed destruction though it'll be all across the board,
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Speaker 4: so it'll be Publicans, Democrats, the donor class, corporate people, everybody.
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Speaker 1: You're absolut right, Charman. You know that's how you. I
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Speaker 1: know you're right because I guess who was the person
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Speaker 1: who did not want Bill Clinton to testify the most?
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I don't want Clinton doesn't need to testify
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Speaker 1: because he knows that it's him. And guess what Clinton says, Oh,
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Speaker 1: Trump didn't do anything wrong. You know that it's it's
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Speaker 1: a club. It's a club, and those files have.
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Speaker 6: Did he say he didn't do anything wrong or did
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Speaker 6: he say he didn't.
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Speaker 1: Know, he didn't know. That's fair, that's fair.
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Speaker 4: I thought Bill was very cowardly hunting on the should
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Speaker 4: Trump testify question?
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Speaker 3: I thought Hillary's answer was.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic, Hillary Hillary Clint shouldn't have not been there, that
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Speaker 1: that was an absurdity. I didn't go to Hillary Clinton
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Speaker 1: deposition because I thought it was absurd and sexist. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, I said, they treated Hillary Clinton worse
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Speaker 1: than they treated Bill Clinton. The Republicans well.
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Speaker 6: Nancy Mace right.
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Speaker 5: Nancy Mace wanted her to answer how she felt watching
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Speaker 5: Bill Clinton be massaged by women, and why was that
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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton's responsibility to testify, and what does that happen.
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Speaker 1: To you crazy?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, with the process. No, I'm glad too.
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Speaker 5: But what I'm getting at is Nancy Mace, your colleague,
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Speaker 5: who you've spoken very highly of, based on her own
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Speaker 5: experience as a survivor, to put a wife of a
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Speaker 5: former president, a former secretary of State, the person who
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Speaker 5: got more votes in the popular vote count than Donald Trump,
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Speaker 5: in that position to humiliate her. This is a person
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Speaker 5: who you've talked about working very well with. She should
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Speaker 5: have to be accountable for that.
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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Look, I Charlie knows. We've had
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Speaker 1: her disagreements with Nancy Mace. I just said, on this
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Speaker 1: one issue of showing courage for survivors to get the
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Speaker 1: Epstein bills, she showed courage. I disagreed with how she
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Speaker 1: and other Republicans handled the interview with Sectary Clinton, and
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Speaker 1: I think Sector Clinton showed a lot of grace and
18:12
Speaker 1: she didn't need to be there. She never met Epstein,
18:16
Speaker 1: so it was absurd. I think President Clinton was honest
18:20
Speaker 1: throughout the interview. At least he sat there for six
18:22
Speaker 1: hours and he answered those questions. I'm just saying that,
18:25
Speaker 1: you know, the the reality is Trump didn't want him
18:30
Speaker 1: to do that, and all these people are very careful
18:33
Speaker 1: because they there's a huge network of people who did
18:37
Speaker 1: some terrible things, and those FBI files have those names.
18:42
Speaker 4: I just didn't like when he was asked should Trump
18:44
Speaker 4: have to testify in front of us, and he was like,
18:46
Speaker 4: you know that, that's up to y'all.
18:49
Speaker 1: I was surprised by that. I mean, I think you
18:51
Speaker 1: should have just said what hill was. Clinton is like, yes,
18:54
Speaker 1: reasons why.
18:54
Speaker 6: I think that he's older, and I don't know that.
18:58
Speaker 5: I'm not here to defend the statement one way or
19:00
Speaker 5: the other. I just think that he's older, and you
19:02
Speaker 5: can no, no, no, no, no.
19:04
Speaker 6: Hillary is sharp. She can run against Donald Trump again. Now.
19:07
Speaker 5: I think that Jill Clinton is literally his hand trimmer.
19:11
Speaker 6: You can see him. He's not the Bill Clinton that
19:13
Speaker 6: he was in the nineties or even the early two thousands.
19:16
Speaker 6: So I just think we should.
19:17
Speaker 1: That's a fair The fact that he stood, he took
19:21
Speaker 1: six hours of questioning, never took the fifth, answered every question,
19:26
Speaker 1: and even Comer came out and said, you know, he
19:29
Speaker 1: was responsive. I do think clearly sets the precedent that
19:33
Speaker 1: Donald Trump needs to testify. Milania Trump needs to testify,
19:36
Speaker 1: And I give both the Clinton's credit for actually testifying
19:41
Speaker 1: and taking all the questions, and if you watch it,
19:43
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've watched the the entire deposition
19:46
Speaker 1: of Clinton, the Democrats asked the hardest questions. It was
19:49
Speaker 1: a Melanie Stansbury and Sohasi Bromanion that asked very pointed
19:54
Speaker 1: questions of President Clinton, which shows that this thing has
19:57
Speaker 1: never been partisan. And you know who it's not partisan for.
20:01
Speaker 1: It's for people who met the survivors. Melanie has been
20:03
Speaker 1: in the room with the survivors, right, I've been in
20:06
Speaker 1: the room with survivors where they've broken down in tears
20:08
Speaker 1: in my office. It started out as an intellectual matter
20:11
Speaker 1: for me and Massey, and I'm a less an emotional guy,
20:16
Speaker 1: but this thing has become very personal for me having
20:18
Speaker 1: met these survivors and the fact that they attacked one
20:21
Speaker 1: of my guests, Haley Robson, who I took to the
20:24
Speaker 1: State of the Union because when she was sixteen, she
20:27
Speaker 1: was being abused by Jeffrey Epstein and she was so
20:29
Speaker 1: afraid that she would go and get other junior high
20:32
Speaker 1: and high school girls to come to Epstein because that
20:37
Speaker 1: was her only way out of being abused, and she
20:39
Speaker 1: speaks about that trauma, and they're out there calling her
20:42
Speaker 1: Heidi Flice and out there calling her a pimp. I mean,
20:46
Speaker 1: no shame. Attack me, fine, attack Massy. You're attacking survivors.
20:51
Speaker 1: These survivors have shown enormous courage in what they've done,
20:55
Speaker 1: and they have been abandoned for thirty years, and they've
20:58
Speaker 1: been abandoned because rich and powerful men didn't care. And
21:02
Speaker 1: you know how they targeted these girls. They looked if
21:05
Speaker 1: the girl had a father, if they didn't she didn't
21:08
Speaker 1: have a father, Oh that's a good target. They looked
21:11
Speaker 1: if the girl was working class, Okay, she doesn't come
21:14
Speaker 1: from money, that's a good target. They looked at the
21:16
Speaker 1: girl was a daughter of immigrants. Oh that's a good target.
21:20
Speaker 1: It was they prayed on these these girls in who
21:24
Speaker 1: they recruited. And you know, this whole redaction issue, they've
21:29
Speaker 1: still people even who follow it don't get the whole
21:32
Speaker 1: thing what they've done. So in March, the FBI swept
21:35
Speaker 1: these files. They redacted them back in March. Then my
21:40
Speaker 1: law passed with Thomas Massey, and they did a second
21:45
Speaker 1: round of redactions. The Justice Department came out into the
21:47
Speaker 1: second round of redactions, and then they said, okay, members
21:50
Speaker 1: of Congress can see the files, and they showed us
21:53
Speaker 1: quote unquote the unredacted version, meaning they showed us the
21:56
Speaker 1: versions that the Justice Department had not redacted. But guess
21:59
Speaker 1: what all of the major redactions the FBI did in
22:02
Speaker 1: March and those are still there. So they've hit documents
22:06
Speaker 1: and even members of Congress are just seeing pages of
22:09
Speaker 1: blacked out with the actual information of who these men
22:13
Speaker 1: are in these files. People say, well, you're making a
22:15
Speaker 1: mountain out of fa Mohill, it's all a hoax. Well,
22:17
Speaker 1: then release the files. What are you hiding? Prove me
22:20
Speaker 1: a liar? But so far, the fifty percent of the
22:22
Speaker 1: files you've released have shown the country that this is
22:24
Speaker 1: actually much bigger than anyone thought.
22:27
Speaker 3: Why I'm gonna pivot to the Iran war?
22:30
Speaker 4: Why is Congress voting for a vote on Trump's war
22:33
Speaker 4: power on Thursday?
22:34
Speaker 3: I mean, you have feels like five six days too late?
22:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, we tried to do it last week.
22:40
Speaker 1: We didn't have the votes. I didn't want to go
22:42
Speaker 1: into it and lose twenty Democrats, so we said, okay,
22:47
Speaker 1: well wait, we now have more of the votes. I
22:50
Speaker 1: don't see how you can be a Democrat and vote
22:51
Speaker 1: against this. Where there are three or four Democrats are
22:54
Speaker 1: on the fence, I'm hoping they're gonna come on board.
22:58
Speaker 1: Are the three or four that are on the fence,
23:00
Speaker 1: they're going to come me in trouble.
23:03
Speaker 5: Well, if we stay true to what you've been saying
23:05
Speaker 5: throughout this interview, which is, you know, this is about
23:08
Speaker 5: doing the right thing, it's not partisanship. I think it's
23:10
Speaker 5: important one for the listeners to know who they should
23:13
Speaker 5: be calling pressuring to do the right thing. If this
23:16
Speaker 5: is a time for moral curves, it's a time for
23:18
Speaker 5: more courage, period, especially when lives are already been lost.
23:20
Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean they Gotdheimer, Landsman, moscowitz Uh. Those
23:27
Speaker 1: are the people who are been on the on the fence.
23:30
Speaker 1: You know some of them are upset that you know.
23:32
Speaker 1: I went on meet the press and I said their names.
23:34
Speaker 1: I said, I wasn't trying to single you out. I'm
23:36
Speaker 1: just saying, this is a war. This is a vote
23:38
Speaker 1: of war or peace. This is as big a deal
23:41
Speaker 1: as the Iraq War. Six Americans have died.
23:47
Speaker 7: If the War Powers Resolution passes, does it actually stop anything? Like?
23:51
Speaker 3: What? What?
23:51
Speaker 7: What happens.
23:52
Speaker 1: So the War Powers Resolution would have to pass the
23:57
Speaker 1: House and the Senate, and the President would have to
23:58
Speaker 1: sign it. He's not going to sign. But here's why
24:03
Speaker 1: it matters. Bernie and I. In a war that very
24:07
Speaker 1: few people paid attention to, the Yemen War, we did
24:10
Speaker 1: the War Powers Resolution. It's the first war Powers resolution
24:12
Speaker 1: that's ever passed in Congress. It passed the House, it
24:15
Speaker 1: passed the Senate. Donald Trump vetoed it. But it was
24:19
Speaker 1: such a statement that Trump voluntarily stopped the refueling of
24:26
Speaker 1: Saudi planes that were killing people in Yemen because it
24:28
Speaker 1: was a statement by the Congress. So even if Trump
24:32
Speaker 1: vetos this, if we could pass this, it would be
24:35
Speaker 1: a huge blow to his support in prosecuting the war.
24:41
Speaker 1: It would at the very least shorten the duration of
24:43
Speaker 1: the war, especially if we could get Republicans, and then
24:45
Speaker 1: if we can't get Republicans, and at the very least
24:48
Speaker 1: will show us that the Democrats are the anti war party.
24:51
Speaker 1: I have never seen a more dishonest campaign that Donald Trump.
24:54
Speaker 1: At Jdvan's running is the pro peace candidates. Do you
24:57
Speaker 1: remember this? Vice President Harris is going to start.
24:59
Speaker 3: Wars World War three, No new wars.
25:02
Speaker 1: Vice President Harris is going to get us a warrior
25:04
Speaker 1: to Rod, we are the pro peace candidates, right, They
25:08
Speaker 1: total lie, total Like they lied about Epstein, they lied
25:12
Speaker 1: about being against war. And so the Democrats need to
25:15
Speaker 1: clearly now take the man to the anti war party.
25:18
Speaker 7: And you've warned about forever wars. So is this the
25:21
Speaker 7: way to keep that from happening?
25:23
Speaker 1: This is this is the way for the Democrats what
25:26
Speaker 1: to say, we're the party against these forever wars and
25:28
Speaker 1: if we could get some Republicans this This puts pressure
25:32
Speaker 1: on Trube to not have a five six week war.
25:34
Speaker 1: He's he's not ruling out ground troops.
25:37
Speaker 4: I talked about that this morning, Yeah, this morning that
25:40
Speaker 4: he has he has the supplies forever war.
25:44
Speaker 1: And and by the way, you know who's cheering this on,
25:47
Speaker 1: but quietly it's China. As we as we are running
25:50
Speaker 1: down our ammunition in the Middle East, what do you
25:54
Speaker 1: think they're thinking when it comes to Taiwan? What do
25:56
Speaker 1: you think Putin is thinking when it comes to Ukraine.
25:59
Speaker 1: We are enmeshed in this war in the Middle East,
26:03
Speaker 1: and they are looking at this saying, okay, let the
26:06
Speaker 1: United States drain its power and we're risking our lives
26:10
Speaker 1: and then billions of dollars. Let me costs a lot
26:12
Speaker 1: of money to put an aircraft carrier there. Every plane.
26:15
Speaker 1: Thank god those service members survived from those planes that
26:18
Speaker 1: were shot down. Well that's those are millions of dollars
26:21
Speaker 1: a pop those planes. And people here are like, we
26:24
Speaker 1: can't get money here for housing in New York. We
26:26
Speaker 1: can't get money here for childcare. We can't get money
26:29
Speaker 1: here for basic healthcare Medicaid cuts. So this is a
26:34
Speaker 1: time for boro clarity. Look, I, since I've already gotten
26:37
Speaker 1: myself into a little trouble and say those names, let
26:40
Speaker 1: me get myself as a board trouble by saying I
26:42
Speaker 1: don't like when Democrats start out with all this procedural nonsense.
26:45
Speaker 1: Well we don't. The commandian is a terrible person, Yes
26:49
Speaker 1: he is, and it's a complicated situation, but they need
26:52
Speaker 1: to come to Congress first. How about just saying we
26:55
Speaker 1: don't want money in American lives being wasted on another
26:58
Speaker 1: war in the mard.
27:00
Speaker 4: Into Congress, why do you think Trump decided to invade Iran?
27:06
Speaker 3: Now? In why is it bb ne Yahu?
27:10
Speaker 1: Why is net Yaho invading now?
27:13
Speaker 3: Or what I was answer your question for you.
27:16
Speaker 1: Look, net Yah, who's wanted to do this last thirty years.
27:19
Speaker 1: He's wanted to have regime change, and he finally found
27:22
Speaker 1: a president who would go along with him. But the
27:27
Speaker 1: Senator Warner said it absolutely correctly. There was no imminent
27:33
Speaker 1: threat to the United States of America. Whether there was
27:36
Speaker 1: a threat to Israel or not, I don't know. But
27:40
Speaker 1: they don't have ICBMs. I mean, they cannot launch a
27:43
Speaker 1: weapon of missile that hits the United States. And you
27:47
Speaker 1: know they've been clamoring for this regime change word net
27:51
Speaker 1: Yahoo for the last thirty years. And why because they
27:56
Speaker 1: want to just punch Iran in the mouth. I mean,
27:58
Speaker 1: they don't even necessarily have a plan to get rid
28:00
Speaker 1: of the IRGC. They just want to weaken the IRGC
28:03
Speaker 1: so that the IRGC cannot be a competing Hegemen, competing
28:08
Speaker 1: power in the Middle East. I get it from their
28:11
Speaker 1: strategic point of view, but really we want Americans dying
28:14
Speaker 1: for that. And by the way, then they're telling all
28:17
Speaker 1: these protesters take back the country with no plan.
28:20
Speaker 3: I don't understand that.
28:23
Speaker 1: They're gonna get started. Oh the IRGC suddenly that have
28:26
Speaker 1: been killing all these protesters are going to give the
28:28
Speaker 1: protesters their arms. Come on. You basically have no plan
28:32
Speaker 1: to get rid of the IRGC, and then you're telling
28:34
Speaker 1: the protesters to protest knowing that they could get slaughtered
28:37
Speaker 1: by the IRGC. It is a just cynical policy, and
28:43
Speaker 1: it's costing lives. And for people who we're tired of
28:49
Speaker 1: these wars, they're looking at this and we keep voting
28:52
Speaker 1: against this stuff. We keep voting against these wars, and
28:55
Speaker 1: then we get someone in this president and somehow they
28:58
Speaker 1: get talked into these wars. I was shocked when I
29:01
Speaker 1: was on Meet the Press. The lead guest was Lindsey Graham.
29:04
Speaker 1: He's like the guy never leaves. He's just like a fixture.
29:09
Speaker 1: I thought Trump beat him. Trump ran against him at
29:11
Speaker 1: sixteen saying, you know, Lindsey, no, we're done with these wars.
29:15
Speaker 1: The only reason he became president. He sat there with
29:17
Speaker 1: Jif Bush saying, your brother screwed up. Your brother got
29:20
Speaker 1: us in these wars. I'm against these wars. And now
29:23
Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham is the face of the Republican foreign policy.
29:27
Speaker 1: At least Lindsay is consistent. At least he's cheer let
29:29
Speaker 1: us into every war by the way. He's so consistent
29:32
Speaker 1: that Christopher Walker thought she had a gotcha moment with him.
29:36
Speaker 1: She said, oh, Lindsey, you think we're in war with Iran?
29:38
Speaker 1: He said, yes, I do. She says, well, then shouldn't
29:41
Speaker 1: you be for the War Powers Resolution? He said no,
29:43
Speaker 1: I think the War Power's resolution's unconstitutional. I think the
29:45
Speaker 1: president could just start any war he wants.
29:47
Speaker 6: Wow.
29:48
Speaker 1: I mean that's Lindsay Graham's worldview. But Lindsay Graham was
29:52
Speaker 1: not elected president on Its States and he never would
29:55
Speaker 1: be elected president United States. But they lied to people
29:58
Speaker 1: saying they were going to be pro peace, they got elected,
30:00
Speaker 1: and now Lindsey Graham is setting foreign policy. And you
30:03
Speaker 1: know what saddens me is this is what eroads trust
30:06
Speaker 1: because the next person who comes in, I don't care
30:08
Speaker 1: if they're a Democrat or Republican. American people are just
30:11
Speaker 1: gonna roll their eyes. Ah. You know, we've heard all
30:13
Speaker 1: that stuff before. We've heard the stuff against the endless wars.
30:17
Speaker 1: We've heard the stuff about releasing the Epstein files, We've
30:19
Speaker 1: heard the stuff about taxing the billionaires. Doesn't seem to change.
30:23
Speaker 1: They get in there and then they forget everything they promised.
30:26
Speaker 4: And I don't want a politicians or a government that
30:29
Speaker 4: seems behold into other politicians and other governments. I don't
30:32
Speaker 4: care if it's Russian and Putin, I don't care if
30:34
Speaker 4: it's you know, Israel and net and Yahoo like.
30:36
Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't like that. I really do
30:38
Speaker 3: want us to be America first.
30:40
Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, we should look at our interest. And by
30:43
Speaker 1: the way, if you think that the the the interest
30:47
Speaker 1: as well, Iran is posing a threat to Israel, and
30:51
Speaker 1: there's some I don't even believe that they actually had
30:54
Speaker 1: the capability go and strike Israel. But if you really
30:56
Speaker 1: believe that, then be honest with the American people. We
31:00
Speaker 1: are taking this action because Iran is going to strike
31:03
Speaker 1: Israel within three weeks, and we want to defend Israel,
31:06
Speaker 1: if that's the reason. But you can't lie to people.
31:10
Speaker 1: You can't say all that this is going to be
31:12
Speaker 1: a threat to the United States of America. This is
31:15
Speaker 1: this is to protect the protesters when the protesters are
31:19
Speaker 1: still being slaughtered by the IRGC and lie about what's
31:23
Speaker 1: going to come next that they have no answer for
31:26
Speaker 1: what's going to come next in that region.
31:31
Speaker 5: Another battle that you have spent some time talking about
31:35
Speaker 5: is term limits? And I think this is an important
31:38
Speaker 5: conversation because when you're at home and you're thinking about
31:42
Speaker 5: people who are older in Congress, how old some of
31:44
Speaker 5: our members of Congress are, you think they should leave.
31:48
Speaker 5: As a former executive director of the CBC, which is
31:51
Speaker 5: a Congressional Black Caucus, I know the only reason why
31:54
Speaker 5: we had chairs of committees.
31:56
Speaker 6: Is because of seniority.
31:57
Speaker 5: Yes, which if you support signor already, you can't support
32:01
Speaker 5: term limits because you'll never really arrive to the gavel,
32:04
Speaker 5: to the chairman seat. How do you thread that needle,
32:08
Speaker 5: especially now because so many members potentially even you leave
32:13
Speaker 5: a seat to run for higher office. Jasmin Crockett, who's
32:16
Speaker 5: in a primary today for sentence.
32:19
Speaker 1: Well, how do you think that's going to turn out?
32:21
Speaker 5: Well, I'm hopeful for Jasmine, but we have Jasmine has
32:24
Speaker 5: just got there and she's you know, become a fan
32:27
Speaker 5: favorite for holding it down in a committee room for
32:31
Speaker 5: some of the legislations she's introduced.
32:33
Speaker 1: It's brilliant, you know, in terms of her.
32:34
Speaker 5: Just because I was getting ready to ask you about
32:39
Speaker 5: you potentially seeking higher office. So if you're for term limits,
32:43
Speaker 5: but you leave before you get the gavel, does it
32:46
Speaker 5: really support the needs of your constituents, of the American
32:48
Speaker 5: people really large.
32:50
Speaker 1: Both of your questions. Yeah, First of all, on term limits,
32:54
Speaker 1: I think this is a the best argument against them,
32:57
Speaker 1: and I've supported twelve years for House members, twelve years
32:59
Speaker 1: for senators. But the reality is, with particularly the Black community,
33:03
Speaker 1: a lot of black candidates had a very hard time
33:05
Speaker 1: getting elected statewide. The place that they could actually build
33:08
Speaker 1: political power was in the House of Representatives, and they
33:11
Speaker 1: had to claw their way into seniority. And you finally
33:15
Speaker 1: have people like Benny Thompson and Bobby Scott sharing committees,
33:19
Speaker 1: Gregory Meeks, and it's a maximum waters and you say, well,
33:22
Speaker 1: come on, you're gonna you can't just take away the
33:25
Speaker 1: one place that the black community has built power after
33:28
Speaker 1: years of segregation and discrimination. And that's why I think
33:31
Speaker 1: any proposal needs to be grandfathered in, don't. I do
33:34
Speaker 1: not believe it should apply to the current people who
33:38
Speaker 1: have spent literally their lives fighting for equality. But going forward,
33:44
Speaker 1: the reason I believe it's necessaries. Otherwise you get people
33:47
Speaker 1: who just have the connections to the fundraising and it
33:51
Speaker 1: becomes very hard for new people to come in without
33:54
Speaker 1: those term limits. But I would grandfather in any any proposal,
33:58
Speaker 1: so it doesn't affect people who are late chairs or
34:01
Speaker 1: I've spent their whole lives working towards that I was.
34:05
Speaker 1: You know, I'm lucky to be named the ranking member
34:07
Speaker 1: of the China Committee. If I if we went back
34:10
Speaker 1: the House, I would finally get one of those gables
34:13
Speaker 1: twelve years in. And I've got to win my campaign.
34:15
Speaker 1: I don't take anything for granted in terms of my
34:17
Speaker 1: own primary, but you know I would do a good
34:22
Speaker 1: jobs as as chair of that committee. In terms of
34:27
Speaker 1: higher office, I mean, first, let's get through the midterms.
34:30
Speaker 1: Let's make sure we win the House. Let's make sure
34:33
Speaker 1: that we that I win my race. Let's make sure
34:37
Speaker 1: that we you know, I actually do get the gabble.
34:40
Speaker 1: But if I run, I would. I would run because
34:42
Speaker 1: I think we need people who are going to stand
34:44
Speaker 1: up to the billionaire class, the Epstein class in a
34:49
Speaker 1: new gilded age. And I see these people. I know
34:51
Speaker 1: these people. A third of the stock market is in
34:53
Speaker 1: my district, one third of the wealth is in my district.
34:56
Speaker 1: I see the economic future, and I've had the guts
34:59
Speaker 1: to stay and up to them. I know the technology,
35:02
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that we actually have
35:04
Speaker 1: every person in every community benefiting, and it will be
35:08
Speaker 1: an uphill underdog campaign if I.
35:10
Speaker 6: Were to run, And you're saying run for president, right,
35:12
Speaker 6: if I did?
35:13
Speaker 1: If I did, But do you think.
35:14
Speaker 5: That you would be formidable against Gavin Newsom? What set
35:17
Speaker 5: you apart from Gavin Newsom?
35:20
Speaker 1: Well, we have difference of philosophy. I mean, look, Gavin
35:23
Speaker 1: has done a good job in standing up to Donald Trump,
35:25
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna say negative things about him, but
35:28
Speaker 1: I would just say, look, I'm for taxing billionaires more.
35:31
Speaker 1: He's not for single pair of healthcare. He's not. I
35:35
Speaker 1: am for a free universal childcare ten dollars a day.
35:41
Speaker 1: I come from a more economically populist vision. I've spent
35:45
Speaker 1: a lot of time figuring thinking about how do we
35:47
Speaker 1: create good paying jobs in factory towns, and I call
35:50
Speaker 1: for economic patriotism and partnering with HBCUs and tech companies
35:54
Speaker 1: to create economic opportunity for those left out. So he
35:57
Speaker 1: has his strengths, but my view is the Democrats need
36:00
Speaker 1: to go on in a more economically populist direction UH
36:05
Speaker 1: to be able to win back the country.
36:07
Speaker 4: What about lobbyists, because you know, one thing that you've
36:10
Speaker 4: been hearing a lot lately is, you know, people are
36:12
Speaker 4: very upset at folks who take money from you know, APEX.
36:15
Speaker 4: So why has APAC taken money? I mean, why has
36:17
Speaker 4: APAC money become so toxic for politicians?
36:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, one other philosophical difference, and then I'll answer that question.
36:25
Speaker 1: I thought Charlie Kirk's murder was horrendous, and I condemned
36:30
Speaker 1: it unequivocally. But I do not believe Charlie Kirk should
36:35
Speaker 1: be celebrated as a model for young men in America.
36:40
Speaker 1: I do not believe that his views that Katan jay Uh,
36:46
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court Justice, KAITANJ. Jackson, and they Uh and
36:51
Speaker 1: and and Michelle Obama I have less brain power than
36:55
Speaker 1: than than white Americans is something to be celebrated. And
36:59
Speaker 1: so you know, there there's also a difference at our
37:02
Speaker 1: party in how we talk about race in America in
37:07
Speaker 1: terms of APEC. I mean, they don't like me, They're
37:12
Speaker 1: spending money against me. I don't believe that we should
37:15
Speaker 1: be taking money from APAC. I believe we should be
37:21
Speaker 1: very clear that what happened in Gaza was a genocide
37:24
Speaker 1: that we should not be providing military weapons and sales
37:27
Speaker 1: to Israel to kill brown people in Palestine that we
37:35
Speaker 1: need to enforce the lay He laws. I mean, that's
37:38
Speaker 1: another area of difference between some of us in the
37:41
Speaker 1: Democratic Party and others.
37:43
Speaker 4: People say that they're not going to vote for somebody
37:45
Speaker 4: who takes money from APEC, and my response to that is, well,
37:48
Speaker 4: who you're going to vote for, because damn all of
37:50
Speaker 4: them take money from APEC.
37:52
Speaker 1: It's changing, it's changing. I think I'd be surprised if
37:56
Speaker 1: from twenty six and even in twenty eight whether many
37:59
Speaker 1: Democratic candidates take money from APEC. My guess is that
38:01
Speaker 1: will be something that most members of Congress say, no,
38:04
Speaker 1: we're not going to take money from APEX, and most
38:06
Speaker 1: people who run for president are going to say we're
38:08
Speaker 1: not going to take money from APEX. But I don't
38:10
Speaker 1: think it's just about APEC. Is are you willing to
38:12
Speaker 1: call it a genocide? Because if you're not willing to
38:13
Speaker 1: call it a genocide and all these people saw what
38:15
Speaker 1: happened on their phones, well then how can we trust
38:18
Speaker 1: you to really say the moral truth? Are you willing
38:21
Speaker 1: to say we're not going to give military weapons to
38:24
Speaker 1: Israel that are being used to kill civilians. Are you
38:28
Speaker 1: willing to say that we're going to recognize a Palestinian state?
38:32
Speaker 1: And you know, I believe in a multi racial vision
38:37
Speaker 1: of America. And you know, one of the funniest headlines
38:40
Speaker 1: that happened in this oul Epstein thing is, you know, trouma.
38:42
Speaker 1: You may remember my grandfather was part of Gandhi's independence movement,
38:46
Speaker 1: and I was in jail in the nineteen thirties and
38:48
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties, and that, of course inspires Doctor King
38:52
Speaker 1: Mordecai Johnson had gone to India, comes back nineteen forty nine,
38:57
Speaker 1: This gives a speech and King at the times that
38:59
Speaker 1: the Kroser Seminary in Pennsylvania, and he learns about sati
39:03
Speaker 1: Agra and Gandhi and he has a Gandhi reader and
39:06
Speaker 1: Bible everywhere. But there was an article in the British
39:09
Speaker 1: pressing the long tales of colonialism. Conna's grandfather jailed by
39:13
Speaker 1: the British monarchy. Grandson in Congress may bring down the
39:16
Speaker 1: British monarchy. I'm not trying to bring it down. But
39:20
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, you know, former Prince was arrested. So I
39:25
Speaker 1: come at politics understanding historical oppression.
39:30
Speaker 7: But our members afraid of what happened to Corey Bush.
39:33
Speaker 7: If by saying you know that they're not going to
39:36
Speaker 7: take money from APAC, that they're standing against what's happening,
39:39
Speaker 7: you know to the Palestinians, is that a fear?
39:41
Speaker 1: Though Cory Bush was two years ahead of her Ton,
39:45
Speaker 1: my brother, Jamal Bowman was ahead of his time. Jamal
39:49
Speaker 1: Bowman would have won today. You know, they just did
39:53
Speaker 1: those things at a time where it was a huge
39:57
Speaker 1: political price to pay. But the politics of this has
40:02
Speaker 1: changed in a way that I can't even describe over
40:05
Speaker 1: the last six to nine months. It's gone from being
40:09
Speaker 1: a position that was politically toxic to one that is
40:11
Speaker 1: actually politically safe. My stance against the Epstein class and
40:17
Speaker 1: my stance for a billionaire tax is of much bigger
40:21
Speaker 1: political risk now than my stance against a pack And
40:24
Speaker 1: that that that politics has shifted over the last six months,
40:28
Speaker 1: partly because of people like all of you who've been
40:31
Speaker 1: calling out folks for taking that money and not having clarity.
40:36
Speaker 4: Do you think it'll be a time in this country
40:38
Speaker 4: where politicians aren't beholden to you?
40:43
Speaker 1: Yes? But but but do I think? But the broader
40:46
Speaker 1: issue is, you know, we've got so much money in politics,
40:50
Speaker 1: how are politicians not going to be beholden to a
40:53
Speaker 1: moneyed interest? And that's very hard. I mean, I you know,
40:56
Speaker 1: I have a bill with Summer Lead to get rid
40:58
Speaker 1: of super packs. We've got to figure out how we
41:02
Speaker 1: get more public financing campaigns. Anyone in the system is
41:08
Speaker 1: to some extent compromised. I mean, you're not being honest
41:10
Speaker 1: if you are in the political system and you don't
41:13
Speaker 1: think that raising funds it makes you spend more time
41:18
Speaker 1: with people who have money. So that's a much broader challenge.
41:24
Speaker 1: And even if, by the way, someone wins for the
41:27
Speaker 1: presidency on a progressive platform, you know what these money
41:30
Speaker 1: in interest do they find the one senator, They find
41:33
Speaker 1: the one committee chair in the House to block it.
41:35
Speaker 1: That's why half of Biden's agenda was blocked by mansion
41:37
Speaker 1: or cinema. I mean, Biden was way more progressive than
41:41
Speaker 1: the House and the Senate were. So there's money in
41:44
Speaker 1: politics beyond APEC is an enormous issue, and it's the
41:49
Speaker 1: cardinal sin of our political system.
41:51
Speaker 2: Always thought they should have been a cap and people run.
41:54
Speaker 2: There should be a cap amount of money that people
41:56
Speaker 2: can use because, like you said, if I go this
41:57
Speaker 2: way with APEC. I'm going to get unlimited funds. Now
42:00
Speaker 2: you look at Corey Bush that there's no way that
42:02
Speaker 2: she can match the fores that go against them, No possible.
42:04
Speaker 5: Boy, people could do more small dollar donors. But also
42:08
Speaker 5: she has someone run against her who just blatantly lied
42:10
Speaker 5: and said.
42:11
Speaker 6: He wasn't running against her. Yes, he did shout out
42:13
Speaker 6: to Wesley Bell I digress.
42:15
Speaker 1: She's running again though, yes, y yeses.
42:18
Speaker 5: The other day, I want to ask you as you
42:21
Speaker 5: look ahead, you talked about a short term goal, which
42:24
Speaker 5: is getting through the twenty twenty six mid terms.
42:26
Speaker 1: Of course, personally and for the party.
42:28
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely so when you look down the road to
42:31
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty six mid terms, let's say it goes
42:34
Speaker 5: very well and Donald Trump does not have his way
42:36
Speaker 5: with the elections, federal takeover, getting the voter rolls, purging
42:40
Speaker 5: them even when they shouldn't be purged, and miraculously Democrats
42:46
Speaker 5: went back to the House. Do you see yourself supporting
42:50
Speaker 5: how came Jeffers speaker.
42:52
Speaker 1: Yes, and I know he's had some criticisms on the show,
42:57
Speaker 1: but I think he'll get elected unanimously. I think all
43:02
Speaker 1: parts of the party will will rally behind him, and
43:07
Speaker 1: especially if we have a significant win. And the one
43:10
Speaker 1: thing with with Hakim is that he gives a large
43:15
Speaker 1: latitude to progressives in the caucus to go do our thing,
43:20
Speaker 1: and and he doesn't have a heavy fist and saying okay,
43:25
Speaker 1: if you're critical of of Israel, or if your critical
43:28
Speaker 1: of Iran war, that that please be quiet. And so
43:32
Speaker 1: I think he's he will have the support of the caucus.
43:36
Speaker 4: They said, did you see the story about They said
43:38
Speaker 4: he just got quite funneling APAG money into democratic primaries.
43:42
Speaker 1: Is that true?
43:43
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true or not. That's the store.
43:45
Speaker 1: Which, yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I
43:48
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know. My view on those primaries is
43:51
Speaker 1: that the D Triple C should stay neutral and let
43:55
Speaker 1: the primaries fight out how they will. I don't think
43:58
Speaker 1: we should be tipping our hand on one candidate or
44:01
Speaker 1: the other. But I don't know if My sense is
44:04
Speaker 1: that he's most focused on the red districts that we
44:08
Speaker 1: can win. So I genuinely haven't seen that story.
44:11
Speaker 3: You think we're going to have for refair elections.
44:14
Speaker 1: We've got to fight for it. I think Drump will
44:16
Speaker 1: try to do everything possible to prevent it. He's going
44:19
Speaker 1: to have ice out there, He's going to intimidate election officials.
44:23
Speaker 1: We've got to uplift our election officials. We're going to
44:25
Speaker 1: be facing threats. He's going to try to get people
44:29
Speaker 1: kicked off the voter rolls so they don't have registration
44:35
Speaker 1: or polling class when they show up. But we've one
44:37
Speaker 1: got to make it too big to rig. We got
44:39
Speaker 1: to win by a decisive margin. We've got to win
44:42
Speaker 1: by twenty seats, and we've got to have people being
44:44
Speaker 1: election observers showing up at polling crisis. I guess what
44:48
Speaker 1: I say is is it going to be challenging? Yes?
44:50
Speaker 1: Is it as challenging as what Jim Clyburn and John
44:53
Speaker 1: Lewis went through? Now? I mean, you know it's a
44:56
Speaker 1: challenging what my grandfather went through. Now, Like this is
44:58
Speaker 1: our fight, this is our fight for democracy. Every generation
45:01
Speaker 1: has a fight. We can win this fight. But yeah,
45:04
Speaker 1: he's going to try every trick in the book to
45:06
Speaker 1: disenfranchise This one feels different.
45:08
Speaker 3: This feels different like I'm in here in my whole life.
45:11
Speaker 4: You know, it's got to be got to make it
45:12
Speaker 4: too big to rig you got to have the largest
45:14
Speaker 4: vote to turn out.
45:16
Speaker 3: That don't feel like that's going.
45:18
Speaker 7: Especially for things like the Save America Act, Right, So
45:21
Speaker 7: how does that work with when he's implementing all of
45:24
Speaker 7: these things to keep people from being able to just
45:26
Speaker 7: vote legally.
45:28
Speaker 5: And re drawing districts so they vote for someone who
45:30
Speaker 5: represents their interests.
45:32
Speaker 3: What if he does that.
45:32
Speaker 4: Executve votershit He was talking about, well he has control
45:34
Speaker 4: over the elections.
45:36
Speaker 1: Well, we got to make sure that the Senate holds.
45:38
Speaker 1: Right there, they're trying to get the Senate to pass
45:40
Speaker 1: the Save Act by getting rid of the filibuster, and uh,
45:44
Speaker 1: you know, the Save Act basically would put attacks on
45:47
Speaker 1: every woman who's married in this country because you'd have
45:49
Speaker 1: to go literally with your marriage certificate to show that
45:51
Speaker 1: you had your proper registration and that would depress women
45:55
Speaker 1: turn out. By the way, there's some states with recognize
45:57
Speaker 1: a hunting license to vote but don't accept the Doe
46:00
Speaker 1: ton id right, So it's going to hurt young people voting.
46:03
Speaker 1: But I believe we can prevent the stay back from
46:06
Speaker 1: passing the Senate. We have to fight to make sure
46:09
Speaker 1: that's true. But look, I'm not underestimating the risks, Like
46:12
Speaker 1: this is a guy who did mid decade redistricting. No
46:16
Speaker 1: one thought he would do that. I didn't think he
46:17
Speaker 1: would do that. Like, we don't even know what he's
46:20
Speaker 1: thinking in terms of what he could do. And then
46:23
Speaker 1: Johnson can refuse to see people. I mean, he refused
46:26
Speaker 1: to seat Atlita Grahova to prevent the vote on the
46:29
Speaker 1: Epstein files. Imagine if you speak of the House and
46:31
Speaker 1: there's a close race thousand votes, he just said, I'm
46:33
Speaker 1: not going to seat this person.
46:35
Speaker 7: I think he does tell us what he's going to do.
46:36
Speaker 7: I just don't think we're listening all the way, right
46:39
Speaker 7: he says it out loud.
46:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, what tools do we have? Yeah, I mean,
46:44
Speaker 1: what can we do. We need election observers, We need
46:48
Speaker 1: to uplift election officials. We need to be anticipating that
46:51
Speaker 1: he's going to advice. We did it in New Jersey,
46:53
Speaker 1: we did it in Virginia, we did it in California
46:55
Speaker 1: with Prop fifty. The good news is we do have
46:58
Speaker 1: a lot of democratic governors are going to be in
47:00
Speaker 1: charging in a lot of these states. Uh So we
47:03
Speaker 1: need to prepare that it's a battle. And then when
47:05
Speaker 1: we take back the House at least then we can
47:08
Speaker 1: start to uh call our way back, because then it'll
47:11
Speaker 1: be the House that then certifies the election. In twenty
47:13
Speaker 1: twenty eight, we don't win the House, We're we're in.
47:16
Speaker 4: The world of first y'all get all that power back
47:18
Speaker 4: that It's going to take some real courage.
47:20
Speaker 3: And I mean, I've seen you displayed.
47:21
Speaker 4: I've seen uh that's what's his name some of the league,
47:25
Speaker 4: you know, people like I've seen that, there's people with courage,
47:28
Speaker 4: but you have you know a lot of people with
47:30
Speaker 4: courage that are going to do what needs to be done.
47:32
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like impeaching, know, holding people accountable, prosecuting people,
47:38
Speaker 4: asking for arrest, things like that.
47:40
Speaker 1: Impeaching is the table stakes and we got to get it.
47:43
Speaker 1: We gotta have impeachment. But I'm with you. We got
47:47
Speaker 1: to have accountability in this country. We never had accountability
47:50
Speaker 1: for the bankers that crash the economy. We never had
47:53
Speaker 1: accountability for the people who tortured folks in the rock
47:55
Speaker 1: or light their way into a rock. We did not
47:58
Speaker 1: have accountability for all these people in the steam class. Well,
48:01
Speaker 1: you've got to have accountability. You were part of Doge
48:03
Speaker 1: that dismantled USA that led to five hundred thousand debts.
48:06
Speaker 1: It's not just okay, let's move on kumbaya. We need
48:10
Speaker 1: to make sure that they're prosecutions. You were part of
48:12
Speaker 1: killing American citizens or immigrants, or violated human rights and
48:16
Speaker 1: detention centers, there need to be investigations and prosecutions. If
48:20
Speaker 1: you were part of the killing of people in the
48:22
Speaker 1: Caribbean or were boatsmen, there's got to be investigation and prosecution.
48:28
Speaker 1: I'm all for reconciliation, but before reconciliation usually comes truth.
48:32
Speaker 1: It's truth and reconciliation. And the American people are tired
48:37
Speaker 1: of a system of a lack of accountability. That's why
48:40
Speaker 1: this Epstein stuff has been resonating because it's like, finally
48:44
Speaker 1: they're trying to have people accountable who think they're above
48:47
Speaker 1: the wall, who think that they don't have to play
48:49
Speaker 1: by the rules. So I do believe though, there are
48:52
Speaker 1: going to be people, whether it's Ayana, whether it's Summer Lee,
48:54
Speaker 1: whether it's Robert Garcia, whether it's Greg Kazar. There are Promila, Jao, Paul,
49:00
Speaker 1: there are a number of us in the House who
49:02
Speaker 1: are going to insist on accountability, and the Chips will forward.
49:07
Speaker 4: They were scared that, you know, like Republicans know that
49:11
Speaker 4: they're not just going They're going to try everything in
49:13
Speaker 4: the power to make sure they get these mid terms
49:16
Speaker 4: so that doesn't happen.
49:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why Trump's in it. That he knows that
49:21
Speaker 1: he knows that his presidency's on the line, and in
49:24
Speaker 1: his life in terms of accountability is on the line,
49:29
Speaker 1: in terms of prosecutions and investigations, and so he will
49:34
Speaker 1: he will do everything in his power to hold onto power.
49:36
Speaker 1: I mean, they they know, they've they've known for the
49:40
Speaker 1: past twenty thirty years that there's a changing demographic in America.
49:43
Speaker 1: Obama spooks them in a very visceral way, and they said, Okay,
49:48
Speaker 1: how do we hold onto power? What do we have
49:50
Speaker 1: to do on the Supreme Court? What do we have
49:52
Speaker 1: to do in the Senate? What do we have to
49:53
Speaker 1: do in voting rights? How do we hold onto power
49:55
Speaker 1: for the next fifty years? Knowing that this country's demographic
50:00
Speaker 1: are changing, and they don't even hide it. Stephen Miller
50:03
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, they're too many brown people in America.
50:05
Speaker 1: There too many feign born. He said that it tweets
50:08
Speaker 1: back and forth to me, Yeah, I mean it's not
50:10
Speaker 1: about undocumented, it's just too many people. They fundamentally reject
50:15
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty five Act, which allowed my parents to
50:18
Speaker 1: come here where they think that too many people from
50:20
Speaker 1: non European countries showed up in the United States, and
50:23
Speaker 1: it scares it scares them.
50:26
Speaker 3: What about a Thomas Massey Rocana ticket. I've been hearing
50:29
Speaker 3: that the last couple of weeks.
50:31
Speaker 1: Are you promoting it?
50:32
Speaker 3: You know?
50:32
Speaker 4: I did have a conversation last week on my podcast
50:34
Speaker 4: about it because somebody in the room bought it up.
50:36
Speaker 3: They was like, what do you think about it? Thomas Massy?
50:38
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you what I like about Thomas Massy.
50:40
Speaker 3: Who would be the top in the bottom?
50:41
Speaker 4: Though?
50:42
Speaker 1: Who knows that Jesus.
50:45
Speaker 8: I didn't even I didn't even get to go there.
50:52
Speaker 3: I don't mind. It would be top of the bottom
50:59
Speaker 3: in that look.
51:00
Speaker 1: Thomas Massy says me a Christmas card every year, and
51:03
Speaker 1: it's got his family, which with semi automatic weapons. Outside
51:08
Speaker 1: of Christmas Tree, We've got a lot of a lot
51:10
Speaker 1: of disagreements. But the thing that people like is that
51:16
Speaker 1: we're willing to stop war. We're willing to hold accountable
51:20
Speaker 1: rich and powerful people who broke the law and uh,
51:24
Speaker 1: you know, I I I.
51:25
Speaker 3: Think awful message to the country.
51:28
Speaker 1: We have a people want some sense of coming together.
51:32
Speaker 1: So you know, you never know in American politics, have
51:36
Speaker 1: you talked about it? Jokingly? He sends me. He sends
51:39
Speaker 1: me a kind of massy or massy kind of bumper
51:43
Speaker 1: stickers that are that are out there there. You know,
51:45
Speaker 1: there's something he saw in like the Epstein class that's
51:47
Speaker 1: going on. There was only had a banner of the
51:49
Speaker 1: Epstein class and uh, and these bumper stickers. But I
51:53
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't think it's about massy in
51:55
Speaker 1: me as much as it's about this this sense in
51:58
Speaker 1: this country that things are broken. And here here's I
52:01
Speaker 1: think what they like about messy me. We went across
52:03
Speaker 1: the aisle, we defied at times our own party. We're
52:07
Speaker 1: willing to risk our seats, like they say, Okay, we're
52:10
Speaker 1: likely to win, but sixty forty it's not ninety ten, right.
52:14
Speaker 1: We're willing to take on fights. And if, like we
52:16
Speaker 1: both say, like okay, if it doesn't work out, it
52:18
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, we'll go back and we'll have great
52:20
Speaker 1: lives other ways. And I just think people want that,
52:23
Speaker 1: they want independence. They want folks who are going to
52:25
Speaker 1: take a risk. They want folks who kind of say
52:28
Speaker 1: what they believe as opposed to all the scriptedness of politics.
52:33
Speaker 3: Do you trust him? Angel? The ride on trust Thomas.
52:35
Speaker 6: Meths, First of all, have you had it on?
52:38
Speaker 1: No?
52:39
Speaker 3: Not just I.
52:41
Speaker 6: Don't know why he just he's a troll.
52:43
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't trust know about trust of Jesus.
52:47
Speaker 6: What were we talking about.
52:48
Speaker 3: Them want a ticket?
52:49
Speaker 6: Yes, we talked about them being on a ticket. Yes,
52:52
Speaker 6: I have no recollection.
52:53
Speaker 1: Well, look, they're they're issues of course that I don't
52:56
Speaker 1: know him. They are fundamental issues right abortion rights and
53:00
Speaker 1: uh and and uh immigrant rights and reasonable gun civil rights.
53:06
Speaker 1: I don't know his record on either, so you know
53:10
Speaker 1: I so you can't just say okay, uh, you know,
53:13
Speaker 1: how'd he have a ticket? Well, it depends on where
53:15
Speaker 1: he stands though some of those those key issues. But
53:19
Speaker 1: I'd say in my interaction with him on the issues,
53:23
Speaker 1: I've interacted them. He's trustworthy in that when he tells
53:26
Speaker 1: you he's going to do something, he does it. He
53:28
Speaker 1: keeps his work and he doesn't politicize it, and so
53:33
Speaker 1: that that to me goes a long way uh in
53:37
Speaker 1: a Congress in terms of just his character and really quickly.
53:41
Speaker 7: We are still in a partial government shut down because
53:43
Speaker 7: Democrats want, you know different, they want restrictions for ICE.
53:47
Speaker 7: Where are we on that? I mean, should we fund
53:51
Speaker 7: the government or should we hold out for those restrictions
53:54
Speaker 7: that that demzel on on ICE?
53:55
Speaker 1: We should not be giving more money to ICE. I
53:58
Speaker 1: mean Donald Trump already has seventy five billion dollars RICE.
54:01
Speaker 1: And it's a rogue agency. It's an agency that is
54:04
Speaker 1: out there killing Americans, killing people who are undocumented, having
54:09
Speaker 1: people in these detention says. I went to one of
54:11
Speaker 1: these detentions as California City Detention Center. There's someone who
54:14
Speaker 1: had blood in his urine, in their medical care for
54:16
Speaker 1: seven days. There's a guy with a broken nose, came
54:19
Speaker 1: up to me and no healthcare. By the way, they
54:22
Speaker 1: know these people are criminals. You know how I know
54:24
Speaker 1: they aren't criminals because they had me made with forty
54:25
Speaker 1: seven of these people in a room with no prison
54:28
Speaker 1: war damn. You know. They wouldn't do that if you
54:31
Speaker 1: were in a some high security prison where people that
54:34
Speaker 1: commit murders or robbery. These are not These are not criminals.
54:38
Speaker 1: In the sense that people think of the criminals and
54:40
Speaker 1: yet they're being mistreated. So why would we give another
54:43
Speaker 1: dollar to that kind of agency. We had Immigration Enforcement
54:47
Speaker 1: from nineteen forties to two thousand and three, the I
54:51
Speaker 1: in s under the Justice Department, where people were trained,
54:54
Speaker 1: where they're the same standards at law enforcement. We've got
54:56
Speaker 1: to have that kind of agency again, and then you
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Speaker 1: have better intel dilligence sharing because nine to eleven happens,
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Speaker 1: so you got to have intelligence sharing. But I don't
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Speaker 1: believe that the ICE, the way it's functioning is should
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Speaker 1: be get an additional dollar.
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Speaker 2: Or kind of We appreciate you for joining them.
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Speaker 3: You do some good information this morning. Thank you.
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Speaker 4: Remember you told me like a year ago we were
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Speaker 4: having a conversation and I was.
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Speaker 3: Need for me to say what I was.
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Speaker 4: Saying, but you said, you said that the work was
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Speaker 4: going to, uh, you know, prove itself, and I think
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Speaker 4: that you're doing that right now.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciated uh, your conversation.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: Look, I just think that there's I don't know which
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Speaker 1: way this country is going to go, but here's what
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Speaker 1: I know. We've had a lot of showmen in our politics.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot of people who thumped their chests
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Speaker 1: to know how to message or uh you know, have
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Speaker 1: conventional obey or to charm people, and it ain't working.
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Speaker 1: People's lives aren't getting better. We're getting into these wars
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Speaker 1: and they're not standing up in forel And all I
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Speaker 1: know is we need actual substance. We need actual people
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Speaker 1: who are going to take on real fights, not performative fights,
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Speaker 1: and do real things and actually stand up for for people.
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Speaker 1: And that means why you get into politics.
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Speaker 3: That's what I told her.
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Speaker 4: I told him he's not charismatic enough, you don't have
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Speaker 4: a personality, but he said the work.
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Speaker 2: Will show it up, all right. Well, thank you, miss
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Speaker 2: angel Rye, thank you, and me Brown ro Conna.
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Speaker 3: It's the breakfast club. Good morning.
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Speaker 7: Every day.
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Speaker 8: A weak up the breakfast Club.
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Speaker 3: You don't finish the y'all done.