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The Late Debate | 19 February · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Welcome the late tour play well, it's great to have
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Speaker 1: your company.
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Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Freilich and kayleb Bond coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: University students in the UK get compensation for not receiving
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Speaker 2: the in class tuition they paid for during the pandemic?
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Speaker 1: Could a similar legal claim be made here?
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Speaker 2: And the new South Wales Police commissioner issues an apology
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Speaker 2: to Muslim leaders. But why would he do that before
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Speaker 2: an investigation into the actions of his officers has even
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Speaker 2: been completed. Plus the Victorian premiere just into Allen turns
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Speaker 2: on a reporter in a classic case of shooting the messenger.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, as
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Speaker 2: you would have heard breaking news sensationally from the UK,
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Speaker 2: former Prince Andrew Mountbatten Windsor has been arrested.
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Speaker 1: It's being reported that six.
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Speaker 2: Unmarked police cars and about eight plane clothes officers arrived
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Speaker 2: at sandrigamer State around three hours ago, and police put
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Speaker 2: out a statement a short time ago they had taken
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Speaker 2: into custody a sixty six year old man on suspicion
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Speaker 2: of committing misconduct in public office. Of course, today is
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Speaker 2: Andrew's sixty sixth birthday. Let's go live to London where
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Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth is waiting for us. Sophie, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us?
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Speaker 3: Well, James, this is just extraordinary news breaking here in
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Speaker 3: the UK and obviously around the world that disgraced former
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Speaker 3: Prince Andrew is now in police custody after multiple unmarked
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Speaker 3: vehicles arrived at Sandringham's estate about eight am local time
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Speaker 3: here this morning, which was several hours ago, over these
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Speaker 3: allegations of misconduct in public office. Now there's two properties
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Speaker 3: relating to Andrew that are actually now being scoured by
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Speaker 3: police to be investigated. But there is a statement from
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Speaker 3: Thames Valley Police that they have just put out and
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Speaker 3: it's said as part of the investigation with today arrested
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Speaker 3: a man in his sixties from Norfolk on suspicion of
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Speaker 3: misconduct in public office and they're carrying out multiple searches
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Speaker 3: at addresses that are related to him. He remains in
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Speaker 3: custody at this time. I must note they haven't named him,
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Speaker 3: but they said we will not be naming the arrested
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Speaker 3: man as per national guidance. But remember this case is
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Speaker 3: now active, so care should be taken with any publication
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Speaker 3: to avoid being in contempt of court.
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Speaker 4: Now, just earlier this.
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Speaker 3: Morning we had a UK Prime Minister Sekirs Starmer on
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Speaker 3: BBC Breakfast saying that anyone in relation to the Epstein
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Speaker 3: file should come forward with information and give it to police.
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Speaker 3: And he said that nobody is above the law. But
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Speaker 3: this is just extraordinary, James. The momentum here was really
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Speaker 3: building in the UK. The pressure has been on the
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Speaker 3: police after this. His latest tranch of files was released
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Speaker 3: as part of the US Department of Justice's Epstein Files release.
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Speaker 3: But action had to be taken. And it is Andrew's
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Speaker 3: birthday today, he's turning sixty six. He won't be eating
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Speaker 3: birthday cake. I wouldn't suspect. Instead, he's been in police
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Speaker 3: custody at the moment.
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Speaker 5: He may well at some point be forced to eat
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Speaker 5: humble pie, you might say. It's been reported by the
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Speaker 5: Times of London that nine forces, at least nine forces
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Speaker 5: are either investigating stuff that was found in the Epstein
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Speaker 5: files as it relates to the former Prince Andrew, or
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Speaker 5: seeking more information. So there is the possibility here that
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Speaker 5: there could be a lot more to.
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Speaker 4: Come, absolutely, Kayler.
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Speaker 3: At this stage, the arrest today is only related to
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Speaker 3: alleged misconduct when he was the UK's Trade Envoy. Now,
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Speaker 3: obviously there's been a lot of speculation allegations relating to
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Speaker 3: claims of sexual misconduct by the former Prince. Now I
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Speaker 3: must stress he's always denied any wrongdoing. But today we
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Speaker 3: have not heard any statement from him. We've heard nothing
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Speaker 3: from Buckingham Palace. The King is due to attend London
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Speaker 3: Fashion Week today. Who knows if you'll show up to that.
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Speaker 3: This is an extraordinary story, kaylb. This is one that
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Speaker 3: it's the biggest story in the world right now, that
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Speaker 3: a member of the royal family, eighth in line to
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Speaker 3: the throne, is now under arrest by police forces here
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Speaker 3: in Britain.
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Speaker 4: And he's being spoken to by them.
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Speaker 3: Whether he'll belated released later today, we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 3: We know he's up in Norfolk in the north of
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Speaker 3: the country because he was told to pack his suitcases
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Speaker 3: and get out of Windsor and Royal Lodge by his
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Speaker 3: brother who stripped him of all his titles back in October.
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Speaker 4: But this is an extraordinary story and one that the
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Speaker 4: Royal family and now living a real nightmare because if
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Speaker 4: we see Andrew in court can you imagine the world's
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Speaker 4: media descending on London or.
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Speaker 3: The UK to report on this extraordinary development today?
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Speaker 4: Caleb, this is a massive story.
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Speaker 6: Exactly right, Sophie.
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Speaker 7: I just wonder, I mean, you say it is so
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Speaker 7: extraordinary and it truly is. Is there any comparison to
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Speaker 7: anything else that has ever happened to the Royal family
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Speaker 7: or is this truly without precedent?
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Speaker 3: So Freo was just listening to the British commentators here
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Speaker 3: who are clearly the experts on the Royal family in
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Speaker 3: the media here talking about it, saying that nothing of
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Speaker 3: this level, definitely modern times, has ever happened where a
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Speaker 3: member of the Royal family is taken into police custody
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Speaker 3: like this. Now we saw those multiple vehicles rock up
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Speaker 3: to Sandringham to state about eight am. Who knows if
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Speaker 3: Andrew is even up and about, but he certainly must be.
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Speaker 3: You have been concerned about this because every day, every newspaper,
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Speaker 3: every media outlet is covering the allegations that continue to
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Speaker 3: be leveled against him, and not forgetting he also paid
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Speaker 3: out that twelve million dollar settlement to deceased a mother
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Speaker 3: of Virginia Drew Frey.
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Speaker 4: With those allegations He's always.
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Speaker 3: Denied no wrongdoing, but this story is just extraordinary, Sophie.
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Speaker 2: It's only in the very last couple of days that
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Speaker 2: the King and then Prince William and Kate put out
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Speaker 2: statements saying the victims are the only people we're thinking about.
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Speaker 2: William and Kate that they were aware of things about
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Speaker 2: the Epstein files and they were very upset about them.
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Speaker 2: Do you think those statements were released knowing that this
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Speaker 2: was coming, or do you think this arrest today would
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Speaker 2: have taken the royal family completely by some prize?
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Speaker 3: Oh, James, They'd have to be living under a rock
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Speaker 3: if this took them by surprise. There has been so
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Speaker 3: much pressure on police to take swift action, particularly after
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Speaker 3: the claims with the former disgraced UK Ambassador to the UK,
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Speaker 3: Peter Mandulsson, Lord Peter Mandilsson. He lost his job recently
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Speaker 3: over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 4: But there is now a huge amount of interest, as
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Speaker 4: you can imagine, not.
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Speaker 3: Just on the story itself, but what does King Charles
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Speaker 3: do now, because this is implicating his role as king
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Speaker 3: and now he's going to have to address this, and
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Speaker 3: a lot of the commentary here in the UK has
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Speaker 3: been or should the royal family front the media, Should
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Speaker 3: he do a televised address and address the situation at hand,
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Speaker 3: because at the moment he has not spoken publicly about this.
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Speaker 4: He's been heckled at events.
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Speaker 3: We've spoken about this on your program before, but this
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Speaker 3: is going to be very difficult for him to be
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Speaker 3: out in public now now knowing that his brother has
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Speaker 3: been arrested.
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Speaker 5: Well, there's a strong argument, is there that the king
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Speaker 5: has to do something because, of course, if you think
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Speaker 5: back to the death of Princess Diana for instance, that
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Speaker 5: put the royal family in a serious quandary and was
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Speaker 5: at its lowest point that it had been in a
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Speaker 5: very long time. Of course, that recovered and the Queen
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Speaker 5: recovered from that. The Royal family is now facing in
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Speaker 5: all of the polls out of the UK its hardest
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Speaker 5: time in a very long time. Confidence in the monarchy
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Speaker 5: is down, belief that a monarchy is required is down.
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Speaker 5: And I think the only member of the Royal family
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Speaker 5: who's ever been convicted of a crime is Princess Anne,
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Speaker 5: and that was because of her dog attacked a child
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Speaker 5: or something. I think she was fine for speeding at
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Speaker 5: some point as well. So this is one of the
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Speaker 5: most serious problems the royal family has ever faced. And
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Speaker 5: there's an argument to say if the King does not
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Speaker 5: come out strongly now, it could will be the downfall
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Speaker 5: or lead to a serious loss of confidence in the
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Speaker 5: monarchy itself.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt, Caleb, that the monarchy's popularity here
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Speaker 3: in the UK, which is always relatively high, has taken
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Speaker 3: a hit lately. There's been polls out by pro republican
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Speaker 3: groups that are commissioned surveys showing that the popularity here
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Speaker 3: is waning.
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Speaker 4: But this is extraordinary. This is in court and we
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Speaker 4: have Andrew mount Batten Winsor.
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Speaker 8: The former Duke of York, the closest brother, the closest sibling,
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Speaker 8: one of the closest siblings to King Charles, to now
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Speaker 8: potentially befronting a court, potentially facing jail time.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is just remarkable.
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Speaker 3: But there is a lot of blame being put here
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Speaker 3: by the British press that the late Queen Elizabeth. We
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Speaker 3: know that Prince Andrew was her favorite child. Many many
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Speaker 3: report that that she didn't do enough. And what did
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Speaker 3: the royal family know at the time of what Andrew
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Speaker 3: was doing. We don't know that that will come out,
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Speaker 3: but I would expect that we will hear from the
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Speaker 3: King in the coming days.
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Speaker 4: He has to address this. It is too big to ignore.
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Speaker 7: And speaking of too big to ignore, it does seem
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Speaker 7: like from a lot of the reporting coming out of
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Speaker 7: the UK obviously live as we're speaking on this program,
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Speaker 7: seems to indicate there may still be further for this
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Speaker 7: to run.
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Speaker 6: As well.
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Speaker 7: Caleb mentioned more agencies are launching their own investigation, but
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Speaker 7: the met Police have been apparently launching initial inquiries into
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Speaker 7: some of Prince Andrew's royal protection around what were they doing,
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Speaker 7: what was their involvement? Was he making inappropriate requests to them?
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Speaker 7: Scotland Yard similarly launching their own initial.
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Speaker 6: Sort of inquiry.
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Speaker 7: I mean, Sophie, it's potentially not even just Prince Andrew
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Speaker 7: that's going down here, that the entire system has really
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Speaker 7: been brought into question.
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Speaker 3: Well, Prayer, it's really like a spiders where there are
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Speaker 3: so many people that are you know.
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Speaker 4: Actually being implicated in this. And we've heard.
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Speaker 3: Recently of people who have worked with Prince Andrew saying
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Speaker 3: that they weren't following protocol of allowing people coming in
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Speaker 3: and out of Buckingham Palace because that's what they were
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Speaker 3: instructed to do. There's serious issues here right through the
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Speaker 3: police force. You know this will go far and wide.
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Speaker 3: This is just the beginning. The arrest is the beginning.
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Speaker 3: I was only discussing with colleagues here in London yesterday
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Speaker 3: will he get arrested? And some of them were saying,
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Speaker 3: we don't think so. But it feels like the momentum
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Speaker 3: was just getting too big. The information from the Epstein files,
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Speaker 3: the latest tranch was mounting up. It was just too
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Speaker 3: great to ignore. And now finally police have swooped on him.
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Speaker 3: Whether it's a deliberate that he's on his birthday, it's
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Speaker 3: going to be a shocking birthday for him. Who knows
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Speaker 3: where he's going to end up, whether he's transported back
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Speaker 3: here to London, who knows if we'll see.
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Speaker 4: Him in court. But this is a very very serious
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Speaker 4: issue for the royal family and one that is incredibly
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Speaker 4: damaging for their legacy.
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Speaker 2: It's funny, Sophie you mentioned his birthday. I was going
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Speaker 2: to ask you, is that coincidence or did they do
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Speaker 2: that deliberately? Whatever the case, he will never forget today
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Speaker 2: and an absolutely incredible story. Sophie, Thanks for coming on
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Speaker 2: the program tonight. I know you'll be following this throughout
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Speaker 2: the rest of the evening as it is here and
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Speaker 2: are we going to come back to this story a
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Speaker 2: little later in the program, Sophie Ellsworth.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about some things that are happening here
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Speaker 2: in Australia. You'll be familiar with Senator Lydia Thorpe. She's
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Speaker 2: never out of the headlines. Well, her uncle Robbie Thorpe
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Speaker 2: is in the headlines today because he's lost a court
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Speaker 2: hearing where he went to the Federal Court in an
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Speaker 2: attempt to have the government's designation of Hamas as a
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Speaker 2: terrorist organization overturned. Now, thankfully he's lost that court case
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Speaker 2: and been ordered to pay costs. But you know you're
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Speaker 2: on the wrong side when Hamas themselves want to get
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Speaker 2: in on the action.
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Speaker 1: When he first launched this legal case to have.
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Speaker 2: Their terrorist listing overturned, Hamas asked if they could join
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Speaker 2: in the court case themselves and partner with him. Now,
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Speaker 2: thankfully the judge rejected that and, as I said, rejected the.
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Speaker 1: Entire application today.
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Speaker 2: But have a listened to Robbie Thorpe's rationale for trying
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Speaker 2: to have HAMAS recognized, not as a terrorist organization. He
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Speaker 2: told media designating Hamas as a terrorist organization incites genocide. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you're having trouble following that logic, Caleb and freyer,
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Speaker 2: I feel like.
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Speaker 1: These days, genis is one of those words.
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Speaker 2: If you just throw that word in, whatever the sentence is,
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Speaker 2: matter how ridiculous it is, it's suddenly filled with profundity
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Speaker 2: because you said genocide, and therefore it's got to be
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Speaker 2: taken seriously. How does having Hamas listed as a terror
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Speaker 2: organization promote genocide?
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Speaker 1: Look?
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Speaker 5: Who really knows? I mean, poor old Jenna her side's
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Speaker 5: been copying a lot recently, hasn't if he thought he
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Speaker 5: was seriously going to get this up. Surely he knew
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Speaker 5: this was all a bit of a joke. But I
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Speaker 5: suppose we're here talking about it, right, So he's probably
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Speaker 5: achieved what he wanted to achieve, which is to get
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Speaker 5: some light on the topic and get people hooking.
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Speaker 2: Got some good financial backers because it wouldn't be cheap
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Speaker 2: going to the federal court.
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Speaker 7: No, but of course she's also been ordered to pay
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Speaker 7: the Commonwealth's costs.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, but I'm sure someone will turn up the
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Speaker 5: money because you know there are people out there who
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Speaker 5: are willing to fund these things simply for the purpose
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Speaker 5: of agitating and creating the headline. But it's what really
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Speaker 5: annoys me about it, beyond just the absurdity of it,
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Speaker 5: is again, it's this conflation of aboriginal issues and what
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Speaker 5: is going on between Israel and Gaza. And of course
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Speaker 5: we've seen it so many of these Pali rallies and
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Speaker 5: they're waving the Aboriginal flag, and then there was people
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Speaker 5: going to the Invasion Day rallies on Australia Day and
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Speaker 5: waving Palestinian flags as well, as though they were somehow
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Speaker 5: the same thing, and they're very much not the same thing.
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Speaker 5: In fact, if you wanted to talk about people who
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Speaker 5: are indigenous to the region, you'd be talking about Israel, right,
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Speaker 5: But that doesn't matter, because it's what is the current
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Speaker 5: issue and what is it that I can jump on
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Speaker 5: top of and for some bizarre reason, they see themselves
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Speaker 5: as in the same category, which they're not. But if
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Speaker 5: they want to keep running cases like this, I say
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Speaker 5: go for your life, keep putting them up and keep
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Speaker 5: having to stamp up lots of money for the Commonwealth
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Speaker 5: and the process.
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Speaker 7: Look, I totally understand if he is concerned about genocide.
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Speaker 7: I just wonder whether he's ever read hamasa's charter or
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Speaker 7: understands their reason for existence, because their reason for existence
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Speaker 7: is to commit genocide against Israel and against Jews around
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Speaker 7: the world, and they're very open about that. That's exactly
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Speaker 7: what they attempted to do on October seven. So I
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Speaker 7: just don't understand why he's only concerned about Israel's response.
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Speaker 7: Maybe he should also be equally concerned about Hamas. But
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Speaker 7: their reason for entering the court case was because they
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Speaker 7: thought the designation of themselves as a terrorist organization affected
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Speaker 7: their negotiation power in the cease fire. And how would
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Speaker 7: an Australian court case change that, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't want to be listed as
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Speaker 2: a terror organization, stop doing terror.
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Speaker 5: That's a strange thing to say. I just thought of it,
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Speaker 5: then who would have thought of it? Speaking of strange things,
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Speaker 5: the intervention of the nit Nanny the E Karen the
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Speaker 5: E Safety Commissioner. In a reasonably straightforward and uncontroversial social
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Speaker 5: media posts, Selene Baumgarten put a post up last year
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Speaker 5: on x talking about a story that I think we
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Speaker 5: talked about here at the time was certainly reported elsewhere
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Speaker 5: that day school in Victoria, a primary school in Victoria
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Speaker 5: had established a queer club. A teacher was running this
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Speaker 5: quote unquote queer club for students between the ages of
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Speaker 5: eight and twelve who believed that they fell into the
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Speaker 5: LGBTIQ category. Here is a little bit of the video
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Speaker 5: that was posted to primary school.
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Speaker 1: Look at this.
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Speaker 9: We've got the pronouns in the bio. We've got the
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Speaker 9: rainbow land year, the rainbow. Oh, it's just so primary school.
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Speaker 5: Now. That post attracted the eye of the e Karen
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Speaker 5: who fired off an email or Henchman fired off an
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Speaker 5: email to X of course formerly Twitter now and by
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Speaker 5: Elon Musk and said you shouldn't have this up there.
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Speaker 5: There's a problem. They've been receiving lots of complaints about it.
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Speaker 5: X then g O blocked post in Australia, which means
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Speaker 5: you can't see the post in Australia, but you can
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Speaker 5: still see it overseas. And that was done, X said
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Speaker 5: because it was apparently in violation of Australian law. So
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Speaker 5: Miss Bombgarten appealed this off to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal
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Speaker 5: or the Review Tribunal I think it is now called
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Speaker 5: after it was reformed by the Federal government, and they
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Speaker 5: said that the E Karen did not have the jurisdiction
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Speaker 5: to deal with these matters, and in fact they admitted
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Speaker 5: the E Safety Commissioner that they didn't have the power
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Speaker 5: to do anything about this post because it wasn't illegal.
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Speaker 5: There was nothing, there was no content within this post
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Speaker 5: that was illegal to put up in Australia. They had
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Speaker 5: simply given some guidance to X that they didn't think
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Speaker 5: it should be on the platform. So when this comes
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Speaker 5: down from the ART saying that the post should be reinstated,
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Speaker 5: it then goes up to the Federal Court where the
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Speaker 5: Safety Comissioner argues that the ART and I'll try and
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Speaker 5: stay with me on this, the ART had no jurisdiction
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Speaker 5: to rule on the matter because the E Safety Commissioner
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Speaker 5: had dealt with this outside of the bounds of the
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Speaker 5: law and therefore the law had no place in dealing
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Speaker 5: with this issue. I know, try to make it make sense,
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Speaker 5: but thankfully the Federal Court has upheld that this post
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Speaker 5: was wrongfully blocked and it does belong on the Internet.
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Speaker 5: Here is miss Boumgarten talking to our own Caroline Marcus
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Speaker 5: about the result.
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Speaker 9: It was a concern that I had, and a lot
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Speaker 9: of parents have in this country about indoctrination going on
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Speaker 9: in Australian schools, in particular primary schools. It's a win
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Speaker 9: for free speech, it's a win for parental rights, and
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Speaker 9: it's win for Australia.
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Speaker 6: It would be hilarious if.
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Speaker 9: It wasn't for all the taxpayer dollars that were spent
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Speaker 9: fighting this pointless litigation.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just such a bizarre case. The e
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Speaker 5: Safety Commissioner sins off notices to X saying take this
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Speaker 5: down even though there was nothing in it that is illegal,
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Speaker 5: and then when they were found out, tries to argue
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Speaker 5: that they can't be found out because they did it
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Speaker 5: without the bounds of the law.
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Speaker 2: What how does she keep her job? I mean, this
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Speaker 2: is not the first court case that she has lost.
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Speaker 1: She lost.
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Speaker 2: That case was at Billboard Christ over a post he
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Speaker 2: put up which she didn't like, incidentally, also about LGBTQ matters.
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Speaker 2: And then there was her attempts to block forever vision
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Speaker 2: of the Sydney bishop.
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Speaker 1: Who was a Maria Man church. She lost that.
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Speaker 2: Bid, or rather gave up on it because it was
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Speaker 2: apparent that she would lose it. She's costing taxpayers a
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Speaker 2: lot of money in these failed court bids as well
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Speaker 2: as losing credibility. She should be the most credible person
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Speaker 2: in the country if she's determining what's appropriate and what's
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Speaker 2: not appropriate for us to hear and read, and yet
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Speaker 2: her credibility is in tatters with rubbish like this.
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Speaker 7: Also in mind, her own internal advisor allegedly said that
21:04
Speaker 7: there was no serious harm in the post to begin with,
21:08
Speaker 7: so their own processes said, there's actually nothing to investigate here.
21:12
Speaker 7: She then or someone at the E Safety Commissioner, acting
21:16
Speaker 7: of their.
21:16
Speaker 6: Own discretion but using.
21:19
Speaker 7: All the formal letterhead of the E Safety Commission, all
21:22
Speaker 7: of the authority that then invokes to Twitter, then sent
21:27
Speaker 7: this complaint. It's just ridiculous and you've got to ask,
21:30
Speaker 7: I mean, yes, one, how is she getting away with this?
21:34
Speaker 6: Two, how much money is she's spending on.
21:38
Speaker 7: Legal fees for all these failed court cases? And three
21:42
Speaker 7: to any Australians out there actually want this?
21:45
Speaker 6: I mean, what good is she doing?
21:47
Speaker 7: I understand the original intent behind the E Safety Commission.
21:50
Speaker 7: It was really to take down child abuse material things
21:54
Speaker 7: like that. That we can all agree are abhorrent, but
21:57
Speaker 7: clearly she has gone so far beyond her original mandate.
22:01
Speaker 5: Well, when was the E Safety Commissioner empowered to start
22:04
Speaker 5: making editorial decisions about what you can and cannot say
22:07
Speaker 5: in Australia. I mean, what she's essentially trying to do
22:10
Speaker 5: and her commissioner trying to do is since the Internet,
22:13
Speaker 5: you can't just tell X or Meta or anyone else
22:16
Speaker 5: to take down posts because you disagree with them politically,
22:20
Speaker 5: and that's the territory they're straying into it.
22:22
Speaker 2: And if you're going to give someone that kind of power,
22:24
Speaker 2: and this has been the argument against her position that
22:27
Speaker 2: she has far too much power. But if you're going
22:29
Speaker 2: to give someone that kind of power, it cannot be
22:32
Speaker 2: someone who knowingly uses their official letterhead to make demands
22:38
Speaker 2: of X that they are aware they have no legal
22:41
Speaker 2: right to make. That's a massive abuse of the entrustment
22:45
Speaker 2: that they have been given. And further argument as to
22:47
Speaker 2: why she should no longer have that role, and perhaps
22:50
Speaker 2: that role should not exist at all.
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Speaker 6: Exactly.
22:52
Speaker 7: Well, let's go down to Victoria, where a Victorian councilor
22:56
Speaker 7: is also the acting mayor of a bush far ravaged
23:01
Speaker 7: community has been blocked from standing for pre selection for
23:05
Speaker 7: the Victorian Liberal Party's Upper House ticket after she submitted her.
23:10
Speaker 6: Nomination one day late.
23:13
Speaker 7: Now, she had glowing references from Josh Fredenberg Ted Bailey,
23:18
Speaker 7: the former premier, but she said because she was with
23:23
Speaker 7: her community who had just suffered under these horrific bushfires
23:27
Speaker 7: in Longwood, she missed the deadline and the Liberal Party
23:33
Speaker 7: said no, sorry, that's it now. She told the paper,
23:36
Speaker 7: my priority was the safety and wellbeing of the community.
23:40
Speaker 7: I was transparent about those circumstances, soort advice and was
23:43
Speaker 7: given verbal reassurance that this would be taken into account.
23:47
Speaker 7: It appears that they have different rules for different people,
23:51
Speaker 7: and discretion is extremely selective, which is not in the
23:54
Speaker 7: spirit of the constitution.
23:57
Speaker 6: Look, I understand there are.
23:59
Speaker 7: Some extenuating circumstances that means deadlines have to be extended. However,
24:06
Speaker 7: if a political party, if any organization the size of
24:09
Speaker 7: the Liberal Party doesn't have strict deadlines, well I'm sorry,
24:14
Speaker 7: that's just live.
24:15
Speaker 5: But surely there are circumstances where you make exceptions. And
24:19
Speaker 5: there is a senior Liberal quoted in the Herald Son
24:22
Speaker 5: saying we've made exceptions before. We should have made an
24:25
Speaker 5: exception here the mayor of the council his own property
24:29
Speaker 5: was in this bushfire, so he has said, I can't
24:32
Speaker 5: do my mayoral duties at the moment. I need to
24:34
Speaker 5: look after my own property. She gets roped in to
24:37
Speaker 5: become the mayor to deal with the community to get
24:39
Speaker 5: through the bushfires. She probably had every intention of getting
24:42
Speaker 5: the application in on time, but at the last minute
24:44
Speaker 5: she's been dragged off to do something else, which, by
24:47
Speaker 5: the way, is a good thing for the community and
24:49
Speaker 5: the Liberal party in Victoria, which has enough trouble as
24:52
Speaker 5: it is. Then turns around and says to someone who
24:55
Speaker 5: sounds like the sort of person that you would want
24:57
Speaker 5: involved in politics because they're on the frontline things are happening. No, sorry,
25:01
Speaker 5: you can't do it because you were too busy looking
25:04
Speaker 5: after your constituents who were dealing with a bush fire.
25:07
Speaker 5: I mean, surely there are times when we can say, yeah,
25:11
Speaker 5: you were doing something worthy we can make It's not
25:14
Speaker 5: like she was too busy cooking up her breakfast.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, I forgot to put it in.
25:18
Speaker 5: But she didn't do it. Don Harwin and sort of
25:20
Speaker 5: forget what the deadline was. Like they did in New
25:22
Speaker 5: South Wales. She was genuinely busy doing good stuff.
25:26
Speaker 1: She was busy doing good stuff.
25:27
Speaker 2: But if you want an extension, you ask for the
25:30
Speaker 2: extension before the expiry date, not after it.
25:33
Speaker 5: And she's saying where she.
25:36
Speaker 6: Gives that you.
25:37
Speaker 5: She said that she was given assurance, verbal assurance that
25:41
Speaker 5: it would be sorted out, and then that's been renegged upon.
25:45
Speaker 2: Well, you don't rely on verbal assurances in politics, do you.
25:47
Speaker 2: That should be the first lesson she's learned. But after this,
25:50
Speaker 2: she's now said that she's seriously considering quitting the Liberal
25:54
Speaker 2: Party altogether and running as an independent. On top of that,
25:59
Speaker 2: she played the gender car and said this is not
26:00
Speaker 2: the way for the Liberal Party to encourage women to
26:03
Speaker 2: be involved in politics.
26:05
Speaker 7: Really, sorry, you've lost me at that one. This is
26:07
Speaker 7: clearly not about gender. And if you're going to give
26:10
Speaker 7: up on the Liberal Party that quickly, maybe you're not
26:13
Speaker 7: in the right party. But I just think she's got
26:16
Speaker 7: a tough enough this is life, and also my understanding
26:20
Speaker 7: generally nominations for these kinds of positions are open for
26:23
Speaker 7: a number of weeks.
26:25
Speaker 6: You shouldn't be leaving it to the last minute.
26:28
Speaker 1: In general, there's.
26:29
Speaker 2: A good life lesson. Don't procrastinate. It could cost you
26:32
Speaker 2: your Liberal Party preselection, all right. Shame a fascinating case
26:36
Speaker 2: in the UK which could have implications for university students
26:39
Speaker 2: here in Australia. The University College of London has agreed
26:43
Speaker 2: to pay twenty one million pounds in compensation to students
26:47
Speaker 2: who were denied in person lectures during the pandemic because
26:51
Speaker 2: of course no one was allowed to go on campus,
26:53
Speaker 2: everybody had to learn remotely. Lawyers for six and a
26:57
Speaker 2: half thousand students told the court that during the pandemic,
27:01
Speaker 2: students did not receive what.
27:03
Speaker 1: They paid for.
27:04
Speaker 2: They paid for in person teaching and access to university
27:09
Speaker 2: facilities like libraries and studios, but during COVID their teaching
27:12
Speaker 2: was moved online facilities were closed full lengthy periods. Under
27:16
Speaker 2: English law, where a consumer pays for a service but
27:19
Speaker 2: is provided with a different service which has a lower value,
27:22
Speaker 2: they are entitled to compensation. Now the University College of
27:27
Speaker 2: London has paid this money with no admission of liability.
27:31
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what other universities in the UK,
27:34
Speaker 2: and I dare say in other countries, including this one
27:38
Speaker 2: would be a little nervous right now, because potentially this
27:42
Speaker 2: could result in hundreds of thousands of students making similar claims.
27:47
Speaker 5: Indeed, I'm into minds about this because my initial thought
27:51
Speaker 5: was the government or to pay me compensation for the
27:54
Speaker 5: fact that I was deprived of normal life during the
27:57
Speaker 5: time that I was locked down and all these sorts
27:59
Speaker 5: of things. And that makes me wonder, is it actually,
28:02
Speaker 5: in some of these cases the fault of the universities
28:06
Speaker 5: that on campus teaching wasn't allowed, or is it the
28:09
Speaker 5: fault of governments that mandated that you couldn't do certain
28:13
Speaker 5: things that this wasn't allowed. Now, insofar as if a university,
28:17
Speaker 5: beyond there being restrictions, continue to say you can't come
28:22
Speaker 5: to the campus, then perhaps in that case they have
28:24
Speaker 5: to pay a compensation. But if the case is that
28:27
Speaker 5: the government said you couldn't do this, surely it's the
28:31
Speaker 5: government of the UK, and if you were to try
28:33
Speaker 5: it on here, the governments and state governments in Australia
28:36
Speaker 5: that ought to be paying up for what happened, because
28:39
Speaker 5: in many cases it was because of the edicts of
28:42
Speaker 5: the government that we couldn't do this stuff, not the
28:45
Speaker 5: edicts of businesses or university.
28:46
Speaker 7: Well, I think in that case then the UCL should
28:49
Speaker 7: launch action against the UK government. So what happens is
28:53
Speaker 7: the students launch class actions against all the unis, and
28:55
Speaker 7: then the unis all launch actions against the government. I mean,
28:58
Speaker 7: that would make the most sense, and to be honest,
29:01
Speaker 7: I mean if someone wanted to do this here in Australia.
29:04
Speaker 7: I was at Sydney UNI during the twenty twenty one
29:07
Speaker 7: lockdowns and it was horrible and the university I mean, yeah,
29:11
Speaker 7: we all just went home.
29:12
Speaker 6: We didn't get what we will promise we were.
29:15
Speaker 7: We paid for what was supposed to be a great
29:17
Speaker 7: in person education, access to all the facilities, the social
29:21
Speaker 7: benefits that that brings, and we got basically none of that.
29:25
Speaker 6: So why shouldn't students be compensated.
29:28
Speaker 2: So let me follow this, So Unie students sue the UNI,
29:31
Speaker 2: the UNI sues the government, the government sues China. Then
29:35
Speaker 2: China block all trade with governments around the world, and
29:39
Speaker 2: perfect you know how.
29:40
Speaker 5: That works, as good luck with it. I just want
29:42
Speaker 5: Daniel Andrews to pay for that lockdown I did in Melbourne.
29:45
Speaker 5: I don't think it deserves to pay for that.
29:47
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, let's go back to the biggest story
29:49
Speaker 2: in the world right now, that is the arrest of
29:51
Speaker 2: Andrew Mountbatten. Winsor We're going to go back to the
29:54
Speaker 2: UK Talk TV hosts Samara Gill joins us. Samara, has
29:59
Speaker 2: there been any statement from the royal family yet, No.
30:04
Speaker 10: There doesn't appear to be. But it is absolutely mayhem
30:08
Speaker 10: over here. I mean, this is unlike anything I think
30:11
Speaker 10: the UK has ever seen, genuinely. I mean, Andrew, on
30:16
Speaker 10: what was meant to be his sixty sixth birthday, he
30:18
Speaker 10: was meant to start collecting his pension, has actually you
30:22
Speaker 10: know now he's going to spend it in police custody,
30:25
Speaker 10: and that's really what's going on. I mean, it was
30:27
Speaker 10: unmarked officers that went into his almost holding pen that
30:32
Speaker 10: he's in at the moment. He's not in his house
30:34
Speaker 10: that he was meant to be in, and he's also
30:36
Speaker 10: not in his evicted property of the Royal Lodge. So
30:39
Speaker 10: they went in there and they were seen taking laptops
30:43
Speaker 10: out and they basically taken him. So I don't think
30:48
Speaker 10: the royal family has been somewhat silent on this up
30:51
Speaker 10: until now.
30:53
Speaker 5: I just want to talk about for a moment, the
30:55
Speaker 5: mechanics of are risting a member of the royal family,
30:58
Speaker 5: a member of the British royal family. A lot of
31:00
Speaker 5: people think that you can't do it. Now. In fact,
31:03
Speaker 5: you cannot arrest the monarch, So the King or the
31:05
Speaker 5: Queen is immune from prosecution or arrest, and in fact
31:10
Speaker 5: people on the grounds of the palaces or in the
31:13
Speaker 5: presence of the monarch are also immune from arrest. Now
31:16
Speaker 5: that means that the former Prince Andrew, of course was
31:19
Speaker 5: not with his brother, King Charles the Third at the time,
31:22
Speaker 5: so he is able to be arrested. But this is
31:25
Speaker 5: something that has very rarely happened. I said earlier. I
31:29
Speaker 5: think Princess Anne is the only other member of the
31:32
Speaker 5: royal family who's pleaded guilty to a crime in the
31:36
Speaker 5: United Kingdom. So to even have a member of the
31:39
Speaker 5: royal family investigated arrested by police is almost unprecedented.
31:45
Speaker 10: Oh, it's completely unprecedented. I mean, this is something that
31:50
Speaker 10: has been a long time coming, though. I mean, we've
31:52
Speaker 10: had many politicians over here say no one is above
31:55
Speaker 10: the law, and unfortunately former Prince Andrew has been above
31:59
Speaker 10: the law a very very long time. You know, he's
32:02
Speaker 10: been able to get away with a lot and this
32:05
Speaker 10: recent sort of litany of Epstein emails and files that
32:09
Speaker 10: have come out have totally exposed him for what he
32:12
Speaker 10: is now. Of course, these are all alleged at the moment,
32:15
Speaker 10: but if proven true, and if he's proven guilty, then
32:19
Speaker 10: there's a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for Andrew. I mean,
32:23
Speaker 10: he's being charged. You know, the police are reviewing that
32:26
Speaker 10: he trafficked a woman to the UK by to have
32:29
Speaker 10: a sexual encounter with him via Epstein. There's also alleged
32:36
Speaker 10: sort of charges that he shared sensitive information with Jeffrey
32:41
Speaker 10: Epstein while he was serving as the UK's trade endvoy.
32:44
Speaker 10: So this isn't you know, a little public indecency offense
32:48
Speaker 10: or something like this. This is really serious national security
32:53
Speaker 10: stuff that he's being charged for or potentially charged for,
32:57
Speaker 10: and we really really don't know which way this could
33:00
Speaker 10: go at the moment. I just think, even though from
33:03
Speaker 10: what I know, the family hasn't come out and said
33:06
Speaker 10: anything publicly, I feel like actions speak louder than words.
33:10
Speaker 10: And if the King wanted to, he might have been
33:12
Speaker 10: able to stop this, but he hasn't.
33:15
Speaker 7: And we've already seen the Epstein scandal engulf Peter Mandelson
33:21
Speaker 7: it's taken his job. Starmer's under pressure for what he
33:24
Speaker 7: knew about that when he was appointing him as ambassador
33:28
Speaker 7: to the US. Other Starmer's staffers have now left Downing
33:32
Speaker 7: Street as well. I mean, beyond Prince Andrew. How do
33:36
Speaker 7: you think this is going to play out? Will we
33:39
Speaker 7: see more people implicated in this?
33:44
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a really good question. I mean I think
33:46
Speaker 10: we absolutely will. This is definitely not the end of
33:49
Speaker 10: the line for what's going on with the repercussions of
33:54
Speaker 10: the Epstein files. I mean, yes, heads have certainly rolled
33:58
Speaker 10: in Westminster and we've seen that with Mandelssohn. We thought
34:01
Speaker 10: that Kirstarma would actually resign over this, but he's stuck
34:05
Speaker 10: in there like the kind of dictatorial, craven leader that
34:08
Speaker 10: he is, and I think that he will be able
34:12
Speaker 10: to get away with this because he made, as you said,
34:15
Speaker 10: his top advisor resign over it. So you can see
34:18
Speaker 10: the real ripple effect of what's been going on with
34:21
Speaker 10: the release of these files. I mean, the question is
34:24
Speaker 10: what information did they have prior to this? Why has
34:27
Speaker 10: it taken so long for us to find out about
34:31
Speaker 10: what's actually been going on. I mean, we know that
34:34
Speaker 10: there could have there's been a series of potential cover ups,
34:37
Speaker 10: both in the UK and the US about what this is.
34:41
Speaker 10: So it's almost disappointing that it's had to come to
34:44
Speaker 10: this point for Andrew to be actually held accountable. The
34:47
Speaker 10: things that he's been getting away with, the behavior that
34:50
Speaker 10: you know, we've allowed pass in the United Kingdom really
34:53
Speaker 10: is shameful and I think there will absolutely be more
34:58
Speaker 10: people that will have to be held account for this
35:00
Speaker 10: because it's not a one man band. It takes a
35:03
Speaker 10: series of people to make sure that this stuff doesn't
35:07
Speaker 10: reach the public limelight, and now it has.
35:11
Speaker 2: Samara, how does the King handle his affairs today? If
35:14
Speaker 2: he goes out in public without having said anything, well,
35:18
Speaker 2: that would be a shocking look. On the other hand,
35:21
Speaker 2: if he sits at home and doesn't go about his
35:23
Speaker 2: normal duties, that's a bad look as well.
35:27
Speaker 1: What does he do? What would he be advised?
35:31
Speaker 6: Look?
35:31
Speaker 10: I think the King's legacy will be tarnished by this
35:35
Speaker 10: if he doesn't act properly. He really really needs a
35:39
Speaker 10: proper strategy in place at the moment. It's been the
35:42
Speaker 10: old school Queen's edict, which worked for many years. By
35:46
Speaker 10: the way, you know, keep calm, carry on, never complain,
35:49
Speaker 10: never explain. That was how the royal family operated. But
35:53
Speaker 10: unfortunately we're in the twenty first century now, we've got
35:56
Speaker 10: social media, we've got substacks, we've got international pressure from
36:00
Speaker 10: all different sides of the space, and I don't think
36:05
Speaker 10: that the king is actually equipped to deal with this.
36:07
Speaker 10: I think the silence. You know, yesterday he was spotted
36:10
Speaker 10: with Idris Elba trying to have a sort of photo opportunity,
36:14
Speaker 10: maybe potentially thinking that it could distract from all this news. Well,
36:18
Speaker 10: unfortunately that's not going to cut it at this point.
36:21
Speaker 10: He's going to have to come out really strong on this,
36:24
Speaker 10: much stronger than he's ever been if he wants to
36:26
Speaker 10: save his legacy, because unfortunately his brother is really coming
36:31
Speaker 10: for that and tarnishing it daily and what we're speculating
36:36
Speaker 10: over here in the United Kingdom. And I spoke to
36:39
Speaker 10: Andrew Lowney, who's a very famous sort of royal biographer
36:42
Speaker 10: about this and knows everything to do with Andrew and
36:45
Speaker 10: the inner workings of the royal family. He said that unfortunately,
36:49
Speaker 10: it's going to look like he might have to pass
36:51
Speaker 10: the buck on to William sooner rather than later if
36:55
Speaker 10: he can't get away from this because you know, there
36:58
Speaker 10: are allegations that he potentially was involved in paying money
37:02
Speaker 10: out in that Virginia dou Frey money pot that was
37:05
Speaker 10: given to her. Now we can't obviously corroborate those claims,
37:09
Speaker 10: but if he was involved in any sort of cover
37:12
Speaker 10: up with Andrew, then that's going to be a real issue.
37:15
Speaker 10: I mean, to give them the benefit of the doubt.
37:17
Speaker 10: Maybe you know, we know that Andrew is a compulsive liar.
37:19
Speaker 10: He lied on Newsnight countless times. He was obviously probably
37:23
Speaker 10: lying to his family. But you know, the King will
37:26
Speaker 10: be implicated in this, there's no doubt.
37:29
Speaker 5: Just very quickly, Samara, have we heard anything about the
37:32
Speaker 5: whereabouts of the former prince's ex wife, Sarah Ferguson. Of course,
37:36
Speaker 5: she has come up multiple times in the Epstein files,
37:39
Speaker 5: has been a major part of this story.
37:43
Speaker 10: Yes, Fergie has kind of gone missing. I mean, she
37:47
Speaker 10: was spotted in Abu Dhabi. And what's interesting is I'm
37:51
Speaker 10: sure that they'll be sure that they'll be holding her
37:55
Speaker 10: basically accountable for some of this. I hope that she's questioned.
38:00
Speaker 10: And the thing is, though, Andrew should really really be
38:04
Speaker 10: careful because I think they'll be holding him to make
38:06
Speaker 10: sure that he also doesn't leave the country. We know
38:09
Speaker 10: that he had aspirations to go to the Middle East.
38:11
Speaker 10: We know that they would welcome him with open arms.
38:15
Speaker 10: But the thing about Fergie is I think she'll be
38:17
Speaker 10: staying wherever she is at the moment. I don't believe
38:20
Speaker 10: she's in the United Kingdom, and she'll definitely be called
38:23
Speaker 10: up for questioning given the sickly nature of her emails
38:27
Speaker 10: too to Epstein. So Fergie, you know she'll be wanting
38:31
Speaker 10: some sort of safety out of the country where she
38:35
Speaker 10: can't be arrested too. Because you make a really good point,
38:38
Speaker 10: She's next on the list as far as I'm concerned.
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Speaker 2: Samara Gil, it's a joy to talk with you. Thanks
38:44
Speaker 2: for giving us the latest. We appreciate your time tonight.
38:48
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break. When
38:50
Speaker 2: we come back, look at what's making news tomorrow, including
38:53
Speaker 2: the change in the federal Federal leadership has made zero
38:57
Speaker 2: difference to the Liberal Party in South Australia. Show you
39:00
Speaker 2: the shocking polls after this. Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow and
39:12
Speaker 2: Freyer if the South Australian Liberals thought they might get
39:14
Speaker 2: a bounce from Angus Taylor taking over the leadership from
39:18
Speaker 2: Susan Lee.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't look like it.
39:20
Speaker 7: It seems to have made no difference thus far. In
39:23
Speaker 7: the Advertiser tomorrow please explain Labor's now at thirty seven percent,
39:28
Speaker 7: One Nation twenty two percent and the Liberal Party trailing
39:31
Speaker 7: at twenty percent in an advertiser you gov poll. If
39:36
Speaker 7: we go over to The Australian, they also have some
39:39
Speaker 7: new polling on the South Australian state election. Their's is
39:44
Speaker 7: a news poll and the headline is crow Wetter's Stone Lives,
39:49
Speaker 7: crow Eater's Stone Lives?
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Speaker 6: Why looms? At fourteen percent?
39:54
Speaker 7: The Liberal Party risks being wiped out in South Australia
39:57
Speaker 7: after an extraordinary news poll show it could fail to
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Speaker 7: hold a single seat as One Nation surges to a
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Speaker 7: ten point lead over the Liberals, guaranteeing Labor Premier Peter
40:08
Speaker 7: malinowskis a thumping victory in a dramatic demonstration.
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Speaker 6: Of one Nation support on the eve of an election.
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Speaker 7: An exclusive news poll conducted for The Australian shows Pauline
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Speaker 7: Hanson's party has rocketed to a twenty four percent primary
40:23
Speaker 7: vote as the Liberal Party collapses to just fourteen percent. Now,
40:28
Speaker 7: at this rate, they will struggle to hold on to
40:30
Speaker 7: any of their thirteen seats. And it's made worse by
40:34
Speaker 7: the fact that most of the seats they do currently
40:37
Speaker 7: hold are regional or outer metropolitan seats where one nation
40:42
Speaker 7: is particularly strong. Because you've got to keep in mind
40:45
Speaker 7: that twenty four percent primary vote that one nation's getting
40:48
Speaker 7: in this poll is spread across the whole state. Now
40:51
Speaker 7: in regional areas that's going to be a lot higher.
40:55
Speaker 7: But again the article also does warn Nick Xenophon in
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Speaker 7: twenty sixteen was polling as preferred premier, doing very well,
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Speaker 7: and then it didn't translate. So we can't put too
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Speaker 7: much weight on this, but it is interesting the direction
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Speaker 7: of change is only going one way.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I made that exact point about Xenophon in
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Speaker 5: my column and the Advertiser on Monday, that that's what
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Speaker 5: one nation needs to be very careful of, because I
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Speaker 5: mean they were saying to Nick, like reporters were saying
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Speaker 5: to Xenophon when he came back to state politics, you know,
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Speaker 5: how do you like the idea of Premier Nick? And
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Speaker 5: he said, well, I have to win a seat first,
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Speaker 5: and he won zero seats in the lower House, so
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Speaker 5: it is possible to lose it all from here. But
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Speaker 5: I mean a fourteen percent primary for the Libs. I
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Speaker 5: think Penbo puts it best on the front of the
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Speaker 5: OS when he says Liberals canary in the coal mind.
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Speaker 5: If these numbers are replicated on polling day, not only
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Speaker 5: will the canary be dead, the mind will be caved
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Speaker 5: in on itself.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Australian is now raising the possibility that
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Speaker 2: the Liberals could fail to win a single seat in
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Speaker 2: the state.
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Speaker 1: Election, which is just incredible. Do you think federal.
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Speaker 2: Politics is influencing this or I mean the state Liberals
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Speaker 2: have had their own problems for years now anyway, So
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Speaker 2: did they really think Angus Taylor was going to be
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Speaker 2: the panacea?
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think at a state level.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is I don't think anyone did, though.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think there was any suggestion that
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Speaker 7: changing Susan Lee putting in Angus Taylor would suddenly save
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Speaker 7: the fortunes of divisions that were clearly facing their own struggles.
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Speaker 5: An even does it ever?
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Speaker 7: Does They've had multiple leaders in a short amount of time.
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Speaker 7: They're already depleted after the last election, so not really
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Speaker 7: too much.
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Speaker 6: Of a surprise. The surprise is the support for one nation.
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Speaker 7: Though also in the Australian Tomorrow Grace Tame effect KPMG
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Speaker 7: steps back. KPMG Australia has distanced itself from two major
42:47
Speaker 7: events after anti Zionist advocates Randa abdel Fatta and Grace
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Speaker 7: Tame were booked to speak at them, the Big Four
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Speaker 7: consultancy firm demanded its name be removed from the Sydney Writers'
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Speaker 7: Festival website to Propalaesinian author mis Randa Abdelphatta was invited
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Speaker 7: to attend the event on Monday. Good on them, finally,
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Speaker 7: Corporate Australia standing up for some common sense. If I
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Speaker 7: would get PMG, I would not want my brand to
43:14
Speaker 7: be associated with either of them.
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Speaker 5: You can understand why they wouldn't want their name there
43:19
Speaker 5: have to be perfectly should note by the way, these
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Speaker 5: are the first edition front pages, second and third edition
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Speaker 5: again look very different to what we're looking at at
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Speaker 5: the moment. But yes, you can totally understand why they
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Speaker 5: want their name there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: And are they standing up for common sense or they're
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Speaker 2: protecting their brand?
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Speaker 1: Probably a little bit of both.
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Speaker 6: Let's be generous a little bit of both.
43:37
Speaker 7: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, jail rates up DV down
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Speaker 7: in territory, Controversial tough on crime policies have driven jail
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Speaker 7: rates to record lows in the Northern Territory have been
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Speaker 7: credited with producing a sizeable drop in offenses, particularly in
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Speaker 7: the trouble hotspot of Alice Springs.
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Speaker 6: What do you know, you put people in jail, you
43:58
Speaker 6: go tough on crime. Crime drops.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like if you have consequences, people change their behavior.
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Speaker 5: Who knew? Amazing? Isn't it? On the front of the
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Speaker 5: Daily Telegraph tomorrow, Government caught in a lie over Arsis
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Speaker 5: repatriation taking us for a bride. A secret plan to
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Speaker 5: bring back a group of Arsis brides and their children
44:17
Speaker 5: with the help of an Australian Government delegate, has been
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Speaker 5: underway for weeks, according to insiders living in their camp
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Speaker 5: in Syria. The Daily Telegraph has spoken to two women
44:26
Speaker 5: inside the al Roj camp who say the eleven Australian
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Speaker 5: women and twenty three children were told in late January
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Speaker 5: they were likely to be returning home. Hmm, isn't this curious?
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Speaker 1: Surprise? Surprise?
44:38
Speaker 5: I know another story on the front of the Telly
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Speaker 5: Kids to face ban on e bikes. Children will be
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Speaker 5: banned from riding e bikes until they are at least twelve,
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Speaker 5: with the Men's government to investigate extending an e bik
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Speaker 5: ban to those aged under sixteen. I think a lot
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Speaker 5: of people will be happy to hear that to me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like a lot of common sense to me.
44:56
Speaker 2: When you see kids motoring along at speed on those
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Speaker 2: e bikes, don't think they should be on them.
45:01
Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break. When we come back.
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Speaker 2: Channel nine, reporter Danica Mason apologizes for that infamous live
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Speaker 2: cross from the Winter Olympics. Will show you her apology. Next,
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Speaker 2: we'll forget make America great Again.
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Speaker 1: Freyer. It's all about making America healthy again.
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it is.
45:21
Speaker 7: An RFK is continuing on his crusade to do just that,
45:25
Speaker 7: and he's enlisting the.
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Speaker 6: Help of celebrities.
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Speaker 7: Now he's partnered up with kid Rock in a new
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Speaker 7: ad to try and make America healthy.
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Speaker 3: Answers, then Glances and the Chaps Dancers.
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Speaker 5: Then the Breach got back.
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Speaker 7: Jesus, I wish political ads in Australia were that cool.
45:56
Speaker 7: Get Agin Taylor doing a cold pine. That what we
46:00
Speaker 7: want to say in Tony Abbot's budge Smugglers, that will
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Speaker 7: win you votes.
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Speaker 5: Well, if you'd bought Tony Abbots budgy Smugglers the other night,
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Speaker 5: you could have organized the potentially, I mean, we could
46:09
Speaker 5: always give it a go. Do you want to see
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Speaker 5: Anthony Albanizi getting his kid off and jumping in an
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Speaker 5: ice bath? No, by the way, did he jump in
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Speaker 5: an ice bath in his jeans? There is that? What
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Speaker 5: I saw? What the hill's going on there?
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Speaker 6: Like Tariff Ky.
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Speaker 7: Is notorious for wearing jeans all the time, he will
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Speaker 7: go He post videos himself at the gym leg pressing,
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Speaker 7: you know, one hundred and fifty kilos in jeans.
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Speaker 1: It's also notorious for not wearing a shirt most of
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Speaker 1: the time.
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Speaker 5: I didn't say indefensive jeans. I once climbed Mount Lofty,
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Speaker 5: which our South Australian viewers will understand in sneams, which
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Speaker 5: is sneakers and jeans, walked all the way up and
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Speaker 5: all the way back down again, and I did it
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Speaker 5: quite successfully, didn't even raise a breath or anything.
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Speaker 7: I also feel like if you looked like that at
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Speaker 7: seventy whatever. You also probably wouldn't be wearing a shirt much.
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Speaker 5: Fair col all right.
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Speaker 2: Channel nine reporter Denick Danka Mason, of course, made headlines
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Speaker 2: around the world for her rather awkward live cross from
47:06
Speaker 2: the Winter Olympics yesterday. Just to remind you, here's what happened.
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Speaker 11: But literally, the like the price of coffee over here
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Speaker 11: is actually fine. It's more the price of coffee in
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Speaker 11: the US that we are going to have to get
47:21
Speaker 11: used to.
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Speaker 6: I'm not sure that the iguanas.
47:26
Speaker 1: Now. Everybody was wondering what was up with her.
47:29
Speaker 2: Well today she has apologized live on air, and take
47:33
Speaker 2: note how well her friends treat her.
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Speaker 1: It's good to have good mates.
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Speaker 11: Look, I totally misjudged a situation. I shouldn't have had
47:43
Speaker 11: a drink, and especially in these conditions it's cold, we've
47:46
Speaker 11: got altitude and not having had dinner probably didn't help
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Speaker 11: as well.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're talking about.
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Speaker 6: We know how hard you worked.
47:54
Speaker 1: You're the best Dannaga.
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Speaker 2: I love Karl Stefanovic's response, I don't even know what
47:59
Speaker 2: you talking Aboutactly, everyone needs friends like.
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Speaker 5: That, Oh precisely. It has not done her a liqua harm.
48:05
Speaker 5: I don't think most people have gone, yeah, she had
48:07
Speaker 5: a couple of drinks whatever, And I just hope that
48:10
Speaker 5: you will treat me in the same way one day,
48:12
Speaker 5: James Alwaito ever end up in that position. One position
48:15
Speaker 5: I don't want to end up in, though, is pretending
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Speaker 5: that I made something that I didn't make. Of course,
48:20
Speaker 5: in journalism, plagiarism is one of the highest crimes in
48:24
Speaker 5: academia too. I can't get over this. There's been this
48:28
Speaker 5: AI conference display thing going on in New Delhi and
48:32
Speaker 5: an Indian professor has claimed that a robot dog that
48:37
Speaker 5: is actually made and sold out of China was developed
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Speaker 5: by her university. She was telling journalists that her uni
48:46
Speaker 5: had developed this thing, and they've now been kicked out
48:48
Speaker 5: of this AI summit. Why would you claim that that
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Speaker 5: was your invention when it came out of China.
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Speaker 2: It's just nice to have someone copying China for a change,
48:58
Speaker 2: then the.
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Speaker 1: Other way round.
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Speaker 7: Maybe they'll now know how it feels having your intellectual
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Speaker 7: property stolen.
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Speaker 1: All right, that's it from us.
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Speaker 2: Stay with us because we're going to go to Sky
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Speaker 2: News UK for rolling coverage of the scandal enveloping the
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Speaker 2: royal family that's coming up now,