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  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the Vikings Tailgate,
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  Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings. To me, your host, si Onminson and
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  Speaker 2: your four and zero Minnesota Vikings are headed to London
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  Speaker 2: to take on an old enemy and Aaron Rodgers and
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  Speaker 2: the Jets. The Jets, the Jets, the Jets. Guys, we
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  Speaker 2: got a killer guests this week. To help us break
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  Speaker 2: it all down. We brought in one of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: Jets fans we know. Uh. He is the host of
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  Speaker 2: all of his socials at KFC Barstool, he's a senior
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  Speaker 2: member of the barstool staff. Ladies and gentlemen. Kevin Clancy
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  Speaker 2: is going to join us to talk about Sam Darnold,
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  Speaker 2: to talk about the weird, Aaron Rodgers, Jets history, Vikings history,
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  Speaker 2: and we even get into a little Carl Anthony Towns,
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  Speaker 2: Nick's Timberwolve's talk. This one was a ton of fun.
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  Speaker 2: the Recket Recket. I here we are here with Kevin Clancy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey man, thank you for joining the show.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, dude, Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: This is a weird emotional week. I think for fans.
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  Speaker 2: If four years ago you'd have said, hey man, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be playing in London, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be
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  Speaker 2: on the Jets. You still hate him, He's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: on the Jets. You're gonna have this weird start even
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  Speaker 2: though you're starting Sam Darnold. Like I think, all the
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  Speaker 2: energy around it is pretty it's almost like the Back
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  Speaker 2: to the Future Biff timeline, Like what are we doing here?
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  Speaker 3: It's like a script?
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  Speaker 4: Man. I mean, I feel like I I never know.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to walk a mile in a few.
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  Speaker 4: Different fan base his shoes, because sometimes being the loser
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  Speaker 4: side of New York the Mets, Jets, Nicks Islanders, it
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  Speaker 4: feels like not only are we always losing, but it's
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  Speaker 4: always dramatic and always like the guy that we traded
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  Speaker 4: is the one who came back to hit the home
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  Speaker 4: run against us, or you know, the coach we bet
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  Speaker 4: we missed on went on to coach this team to
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  Speaker 4: blah blah, And it's like, how do these Does this
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  Speaker 4: happen to everybody?
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  Speaker 3: Or is it really just me? Or like it can't
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  Speaker 3: always be this dramatic for everyone, is it? But uh so,
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  Speaker 3: I never know.
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  Speaker 4: I'd love to, like, you know, see how how other
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  Speaker 4: people perceive it, But lord, I know that I'm always like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like my sports life has
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  Speaker 4: taken twenty years off my actual life just because of
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  Speaker 4: how much I put into it and how much I
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  Speaker 4: don't get out of it no matter what we seem
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated with fan basis psychology too, and I think
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  Speaker 2: ours are so different. But the one place where that
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  Speaker 2: Venn diagram you know, crosses over is neither of us
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  Speaker 2: have won anything in forever and what that does to
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  Speaker 2: your brain and how that makes you perceive every moment
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  Speaker 2: for us. I said this on a show a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks ago. Vikings like to act like they're Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Brown about to kick the football and get like that's
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  Speaker 2: who they pretend they are, and like that, the giving
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  Speaker 2: up like oh, I've got no chance. But every time
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  Speaker 2: that you give them a morsel of hope, like this
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  Speaker 2: Sam Donald thing. I mean, we had people wearing astronaut
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  Speaker 2: costumes to games after two Dobbs performances last year. You
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  Speaker 2: give this team hope. Yeah, I'm telling you that Sam
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  Speaker 2: Donald has the coolest path to a statue you could
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  Speaker 2: ever imagine if he takes.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it is what do they say in Shawshank,
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  Speaker 4: You know, hope is one of the most powerful things.
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  Speaker 4: I think hope is one of the worst things, because
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  Speaker 4: that's you know, I'll say this.
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  Speaker 3: I believe.
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  Speaker 4: Being in a city where the other half has won
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  Speaker 4: countless World Series and Super Bowls makes the New York
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  Speaker 4: experience pretty unique, and I think it's one that almost
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  Speaker 4: gives us the edge over you know, who has the
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  Speaker 4: worst sports life, because I you know, if if a team,
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  Speaker 4: if a city that just has one set of teams loses,
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  Speaker 4: you all lose together. You all go to work together miserable,
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  Speaker 4: you're all happy together with it goes well in New York.
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  Speaker 4: It's like everywhere I go when I was a kid
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  Speaker 4: in school, when I'm at the office, people that I'm
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  Speaker 4: dating just my friend group, like there's always one half
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  Speaker 4: or really more like you know, seventy five percent just
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  Speaker 4: laughing at you and getting on you. And so I
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  Speaker 4: always make that argument. But there's one fan base when
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  Speaker 4: I usually shut my mouth, and it's Minnesota fans because
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  Speaker 4: you guys have had it pretty tough. There's a couple
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  Speaker 4: things in Pittsburgh and Minnesota's up there for like, I
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  Speaker 4: respect you. You're in the trenches with us. It's a tough,
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  Speaker 4: tough existence.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a secret hidden part that people who aren't
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  Speaker 2: from here, like we actually have that because no one
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  Speaker 2: wants to live in Wisconsin. Yeah, so, and the Twin
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  Speaker 2: Cities are right on the border. So you you do
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  Speaker 2: go to work and you see.
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  Speaker 5: You do get that that hackers, Oh god, you're just
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  Speaker 5: the worst person, the worst person at your office, just
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  Speaker 5: sitting there with that fat breeze smile on their face.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's just terrible. Yeah, So not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people recognize that, But yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I would have thought that you guys were all kind
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  Speaker 4: of in the same boat together. So if you can,
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  Speaker 4: if you can understand that side of it, you might
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  Speaker 4: be up there for for worst ever because lord knows,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you've lost just as many games as we
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  Speaker 4: have and in everything. I also, I think in recent
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  Speaker 4: years I used to have a theory about sports that
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  Speaker 4: there are certain teams that just are not gonna win,
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  Speaker 4: just like they're never gonna do it. And in recent
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  Speaker 4: years it's kind of started to crumble. I wonder if
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  Speaker 4: that's just because of how money has changed, you know,
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  Speaker 4: revenue sharing and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Big cities, little cities.
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  Speaker 4: But I used to walk around being like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like the Sacramento Kings are just never going to win
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  Speaker 4: the title because they're the Sacramento Kings, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But then like the Bucks come along and win it,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 4: And and I think about like football, where it's like,
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  Speaker 4: to me, there used to be certain teams, you're just
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  Speaker 4: never gonna win it because of who your.
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  Speaker 3: Name is and what your what your reputation is. And
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Then I start to see these, you know, certain teams
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  Speaker 4: pull it out, and it's like, all right, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 4: there is hope.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the other thing that I think is
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  Speaker 2: interesting about that because I do think you're right. I
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  Speaker 2: think sports are so entrenched in history and narrative building
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  Speaker 2: and all these things that like and your fan base
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  Speaker 2: is another great example of this, a couple of flicks
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  Speaker 2: of the ball a different direction. And like the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: are in four Super Bowls. If they win three of those,
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  Speaker 2: they are not. They are spoken about because of how
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  Speaker 2: old of an organization they are and all the titles
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  Speaker 2: they won before the merger. They are the Cowboys, the
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  Speaker 2: Packers or Sailors. And you guys, had you had any
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  Speaker 2: sort of like, look, the Packers are a great example.
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  Speaker 2: They win early, they're horrific forever. Then they win one
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  Speaker 2: with farv and one with Rogers. If you guys that
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  Speaker 2: have somehow pulled one out in the eighties and nineties
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  Speaker 2: and one out in the two thousands, I think purely
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  Speaker 2: because of the name thing, and how big of a
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  Speaker 2: deal that was from a narrative standpoint. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: how close you guys are to also being a team
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  Speaker 2: that is spoken about in a different historical way.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that run the Sanchez years with the back to
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  Speaker 4: back AFC championships, where that's kind of become a joke
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  Speaker 4: in New York because for so long we were like
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  Speaker 4: back to back AAFC championships, man back to back AAFC championships,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and then it was like ten years removed
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  Speaker 4: from that, and it was like, you can't be talking
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  Speaker 4: about almost making it, you know, ten years ago. But
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  Speaker 4: those you know, those are things like that game against
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  Speaker 4: the Steelers that they lost, they should have won, and
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  Speaker 4: then they would have even just making it changes it
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  Speaker 4: changes the narrative.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's like because people respect getting there. I think once
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  Speaker 4: you get there, you know, you look at the Patriots,
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  Speaker 4: like even the big bad Patriots dynasty lost a bunch
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  Speaker 4: because once you get there, the game just breaks.
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  Speaker 3: However, getting there is its own little.
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  Speaker 4: Badge of honor and uh, and it makes all the difference.
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  Speaker 4: And I see what you're saying. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: also it's like there's also this feeling to me of
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  Speaker 4: like just institutionalized losing, where yeah, a couple of balls
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  Speaker 4: break here or there, but for the most part, how
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  Speaker 4: how am I in the same.
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  Speaker 3: Boat every year?
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  Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, the coach didn't work out, the quarterback didn't
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  Speaker 4: work out, the penalties are still happening, the holdouts are
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  Speaker 4: still happening, the injuries are still happening.
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  Speaker 3: It's like sometimes it feels like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like a weird sports purgatory that somebody hilariously
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  Speaker 2: trying to pack you in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sports.
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  Speaker 4: Is the closest I get to believing in, you know, superstitions, karma,
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  Speaker 4: black magic, all that sort of stuff. And what I
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  Speaker 4: really usually end up coming to the realization is it's
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  Speaker 4: none of that.
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  Speaker 3: It's your ownership.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's you know, because you change, you change your
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  Speaker 4: your gms, you change your man your coaches, change your players.
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  Speaker 4: The one thing at the top that always stays the
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  Speaker 4: same has a big being to do with what goes.
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  Speaker 2: On, you know, Speaking of things that our audience is
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  Speaker 2: I'm tired of hearing me talk about. I go back
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  Speaker 2: to Eddie de Bartelow and the forty nine ers and
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they he treated his players and his
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  Speaker 2: organizations in his organization in a certain way, and then
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  Speaker 2: Robert Kraft learns from him. I'm exactly with you. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's an accident when team are perennially relevant,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not even competitive, But like, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: an accident that the Steelers are Steelers kind of always
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  Speaker 2: hanging around. They like everybody goes well, they only had
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  Speaker 2: these many coaches. It's yeah, because their ownership in a
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  Speaker 2: healthy way values consistency. That is the thing we finally
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  Speaker 2: have in Minnesota with the Wolfs. Is like, because that's
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  Speaker 2: hard to say as a sports fan, and I know
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  Speaker 2: we've felt it with some of the teams. I know
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  Speaker 2: you have, but to be able to sit there and go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I think they elevate winning a title next to all
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  Speaker 2: the other stuff that matters and running a business. And
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  Speaker 2: they are the sort of owners who recognize if we
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  Speaker 2: do win a title, all that other goes through the room.
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  Speaker 3: That's so crazy.
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  Speaker 4: It's like you're worried about money and tickets and reputation.
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  Speaker 3: And like whatever else, and winning cares all of that. Man.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know what it is, but it's like
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  Speaker 4: you just keep picking the wrong coach, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: you just keep picking the wrong GM although you know,
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  Speaker 4: like there's always little glimmers of hope, and right now
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  Speaker 4: you feel like maybe there is one. But it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you can't fire an owner, man, like get stuck with them.
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  Speaker 4: It's just we want I'm doing it with the Mets
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  Speaker 4: right now.
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  Speaker 3: In baseball.
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  Speaker 4: It's like we had the Willponds were our owners in baseball,
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  Speaker 4: and they were the worst. They're the absolute worst ever
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  Speaker 4: for a big market team. They were so terrible. And
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  Speaker 4: as soon as they're gone and a guy who steps
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  Speaker 4: in with a bunch of money who cares a lot,
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  Speaker 4: everything changed.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all of a sudden, you guys are having
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  Speaker 2: the most fun final game of the season you could
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  Speaker 2: possibly imagine.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just getting ripped in both directions that on Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: On Sunday, Mets had a chance. If they won and
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  Speaker 4: the Diamonbacks lost, it was over. And I was all
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  Speaker 4: coinciding exactly with the fourth quarter of the Jets game.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm just so down about the Jets. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like I time traveled, like we got such a good
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  Speaker 4: taste of the good Rogers and we beat the Patriots
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  Speaker 4: on Prime time, like something, I not only beat them,
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  Speaker 4: stomped them, something I never never even considered as a
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  Speaker 4: possibility because I mean, we've.
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  Speaker 3: Lost eighteen out of twenty to them.
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  Speaker 4: They always beat us Monday night football, the butt fumble,
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  Speaker 4: the you know, they scored like thirty points in like
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  Speaker 4: three minutes on us once like all of the worst
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  Speaker 4: moments ever, and we turned the tables and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, like it's finally changed. And then you
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  Speaker 4: come in against the Broncos and do like same old
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  Speaker 4: Jets while the Mets have to go through the doubleheader,
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  Speaker 4: and I was just like, Nope, it's.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the sports gods.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe had changed for a second, but I think I'm
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  Speaker 4: in the same boat that I'm always in.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you at this point watching what's happening
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  Speaker 2: in Minnesota, Like, what is the Darnald experience like for
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  Speaker 2: you someone who has been that invested into Jets, Like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so happy for that dude.
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  Speaker 4: I think he is a great reminder that, first of all,
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  Speaker 4: careers can be long and you can't necessarily give up
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  Speaker 4: on certain people. And secondly, I think it is insane
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  Speaker 4: the way we treat rookie quarterbacks on the whole, in
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  Speaker 4: the league, in what.
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  Speaker 3: Other what other profession job?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, are you expected to step into the absolute hardest
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  Speaker 4: role in all of sports? To me, like hands down
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  Speaker 4: most important and most difficult as a twenty two year
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  Speaker 4: old and just go for every yes, for every one,
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  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, there's a dozen.
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  Speaker 3: Failures, you know, you know, especially with the Jets.
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  Speaker 4: I look at Gino in Seattle and Sam and Minnesota,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, these are two guys that were talented
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  Speaker 4: enough on a very literal sense on the field, didn't
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  Speaker 4: have a good offensive line, didn't have good weapons, didn't
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  Speaker 4: have good coaching, had atrocious atrocious play calling, had a
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  Speaker 4: terrible locker room situation. Literally, Gino Smith going through fistfights
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  Speaker 4: and broken jaws like absolute madness.
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  Speaker 3: Of course he's not going to succeed.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's impossible when everything is set in place,
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  Speaker 4: let alone when you're fighting an uphill battle and the
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  Speaker 4: team is like actively working against you.
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  Speaker 3: And and Sam Donald.
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  Speaker 4: Is a good example of a change of scenery where
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  Speaker 4: like I was, I was a big fan of his,
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  Speaker 4: I was a little skewed he like we knew him
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  Speaker 4: a little bit through barstool I wanted him to succeed,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a little bit of rose colored glasses with him.
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  Speaker 3: But it got to the point where as a.
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  Speaker 4: Fan, especially one on a show or on social media,
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  Speaker 4: who you know, keeps it pretty honest and real, I
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  Speaker 4: had to say, like, it's done.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not it's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 4: And in that moment, I did think it's probably done
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  Speaker 4: for him period, But he was I think he probably
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  Speaker 4: played it perfectly where he didn't have ego, he was
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  Speaker 4: willing to go be a backup, willing to go to
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  Speaker 4: a couple other franchises. Let me just kind of stick
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  Speaker 4: around here and and you know, claw my way back.
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  Speaker 4: And then you're twenty, you know, late twenties, bigger, smarter,
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  Speaker 4: find the right place, and it's like, oh, I can
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  Speaker 4: do this. You know, I have all the weapons or
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  Speaker 4: I have an offensive line. Like of course that makes
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  Speaker 4: a big difference. But sometimes you know, once it once
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  Speaker 4: it fails the way it failed in New York, to
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  Speaker 4: be honest, once I see ghosts, I'm seeing ghosts happened,
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  Speaker 4: it was like.
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  Speaker 3: It's just over.
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  Speaker 4: Like the fan base, the media, we're all gonna you know,
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  Speaker 4: the media is a big part of trying to succeed
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  Speaker 4: in New York.
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  Speaker 3: They just hammer you relentlessly.
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  Speaker 4: You were just gonna constantly have to play against the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots forever in that division. A million reasons why it
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  Speaker 4: was just never gonna work in New York, and I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't sure if it was ever going to pan out anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm happy to see that it is happening, because
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  Speaker 4: you know, so many other people would flame out in
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  Speaker 4: that spot, give up in that spot, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: to keep your ego in check and keep working, or like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you'd get out of shape, you'd stop caring,
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  Speaker 4: you'd lose the the the mentality. Like the fact that
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  Speaker 4: he's here and doing it now, you know, tip my
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  Speaker 4: cap to him. It was, you know, never going to
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  Speaker 4: happen here. I wish like we could have just stuck
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  Speaker 4: it out and and had this happen. But I just
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: don't think think it needed to go somewhere else. I
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: kind of think that about like I can't believe the
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Giants are still doing it with Daniel Jones.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: It's like, how many years are you going to give
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: this guy?
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I think the worst thing that happened to him was
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: that one playoff game, because you just you feel like
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: you owe him. And I feel like that's almost an
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: example of a good family of ownership gone wrong, where
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: the marriages are so loyal and want to be like
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: the Steelers in a way. But you got to cut
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: ties at some point. And maybe Daniel Jones will go
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: somewhere else and do it. But I just feel like
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: at some point you got know, wing to cut ties
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: in your current situation. But I'm happy for him, man,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: I hope you guys like him.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I think most of the fans, if not every single fan,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: is pretty insanely on board at this point. But to me,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: what it is, you know, we went through the Kirk
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Cousins experience and this is like, no, this isn't even
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: commentary on him. But I think this interesting thing happens
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: is when you are the face of a franchise, right,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: which is often what you're you know, you're talking about
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the pressure, the heap on these rookie quarterbacks, like that's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: part of it New York like insanity. So but you
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: bring a guy like Kirkin, who Kirk is a very
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: good thrower of the football. He's a very good quarterback,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and you know, if you step back from it, it's
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: kind of hard to argue he has one of the
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: more interesting kind of stories without being dramatic or being
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: but like you go, RG three is this high pick.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: He has one of the greatest rookie seasons we ever see, right,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and then he's hurt and then comes Kirk, and and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: then they want Kirk, but they don't want Kirk, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: he gets you know, optioned in the way that we've
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: never seen before, signs the first guaranteed, signs another one,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: and then you have the prime time stuff like and
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: all the narratives about him. It's just a He's a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: really interesting story and when you when you bring that
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to a team, all of it comes with And I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: think everybody here was completely behind him. Like I'm only
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: speaking on a from a fan based standpoint, right, you
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: had you had, you had people who were behind him.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: But I think it takes a lot to support somebody
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: like that. And I think one of the things that
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald is benefiting from is Kirk carried a lot
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: of expectations and he carried a lot of burden and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: weight because of who he is and what he made
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and what people expected him. And Sam Donald just kind
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: of got to walk in as like a guy.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the expectations be everything. Man, I'm just a guy.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just a guy with a giant arm.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean I just I just googled it
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: while you were talking.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Like when and he when Kirk Cousins is done with
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: this latest contract, he will have made four hundred and
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: eleven million dollars four hundred and eleven And it just
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: goes to show how important that position is. And if
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: you can throw the football and be a professional quarterback
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: at all, you will make a boatload. But what do
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: you have to show for four hundred million dollars and
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: and that that type of money and that type of story.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: You're right, It's just like anybody who comes in and
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: just plays okay, is gonna get you know.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: The let alone, like just slaughtering it. Because what I've
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: noticed with him is a little bit of this, like
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say FARV because that's you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: football sacrilege. He's got a little bit of that. Like
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: every once in a while he progresses, he progresses, there's
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: a checkdown and he's like, I'm gonna just put it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it down the field. Is that new?
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I mean again, it was so hard to tell because
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: he was on his back half the time and didn't
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: have many weapons, and you know, I'm seeing ghosts. Things
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: kind of like solidified it where it was like I
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: don't know if he's going through all his progressions and
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he has the confidence to throw
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: it downfield.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know if he has the right
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: oc because.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: You know, we're running the ball all the time and
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you know, just just conservative, loser type play calling. There
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: was always even with all of his quarterbacks, with the Geno's,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: with the Donald, even with Zach Wilson, there was always
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: like a throw or a drive where we would get
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: all excited. He threw like one pass that was thirty
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: yards down the field, back shoulder perfectly.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's the guy, and it's like bro, that was
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: one mass.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I mean I remember even with Zach Wilson the Chiefs
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: game that they lost but they got robbed and they
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: almost beat Mahomes and that was like the last flicker
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: of hope, like maybe Zach Wilson.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: He kind of won the It was like it was
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: like Gladiator.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: He like won the crowd, you know, but then you
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: just go back to playing like the way these guys
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: were playing and what I don't think it really was
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: There was flashes. There's always flashes.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: It's funny, there's a New Ye There's there's always a
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: New York Daily News cover. They did it for Sanchez,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: they did it for Gino, and I think they did
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: it for Donald definitely, two, maybe three. A Star Is
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Born was the headline. All of these guys always had
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: one game. It was Sanchez, Gino, and maybe one other. Yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Sanchez was kind of like, I mean, he was like
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: doing it in the playoffs.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's an argument to be made that you.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Could have run that with saying yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: you know, he beat he won.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: At that point, he had the most playoff road winds
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: ever with the four wins.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: He had Beaten Brady, he had Beaten Manning, he had beaten.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Phil Rivers, he almost beat Roethlisberger, and then Gino had
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: like one big game and it was like they just kept
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: running this Star as Born thing, and it was like it,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: you know, it's just the one game, guy, It's one game.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: We're just so desperate for it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: So I understand it, but that's what the pressure you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: it's like a star is born me talking about guys.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I you know, I still know what I'm doing out here.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yet You've said you've mentioned the media a few times,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, I think everybody knows about that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody from you know, Minnesota, Midwest, West Coast,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: we all get that. We've heard it. I think it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: a different thing when you're actually there.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think you get it. Yeah, I think you
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: But you get it, but you don't get it. So
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: my question about it is like before Patrick Mahomes walked
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: into the league, I was, despite my you know, football
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: disdain for the Green Bay Packers, I was pretty happy
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to make the case that Aaron Rodgers might be the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: most talented quarterback to ever step on a field. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: thought he had Marino's arm with Steve Young's legs. He's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: just a bizarre talent. But in Green Bay he aged
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: like you know, if you get a shelter dog and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: they're like, he's nineteen and he's good most the time,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm and then every once while you're like, why is
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: he growling at that chair? Like that's That's kind of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: how he aged in Green Bay. But the thing was
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about like fan bases, psychology, Green Bay,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: for they are the trust fund babies of the like
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they this and they all think everybody's out to get
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: them and You're like, no, no, the the trophy's named
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: after you.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the fact that they're gonna have gone
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: from what fifteen years or whatever, from far Right into
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Rogers right into love. It's like you've never even struggled, man, Like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: no one's got to get you. You've got it, gravy, dude, you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Know, you don't even know what the word rant means.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Get away, get away from me. But so they there
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was this ultimate like how dare you come at Rogers?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: And I think we all knew when Rogers got to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: New York that you know, that experience changes with the media.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: But I'm curious four games in to him actually playing.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I think if you guys would have snuck away with
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that Bronco's thing, the narrative would be a lot different
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: than it is right now. But what is what is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the Aaron Rodgers experience at two and two heading to London.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: First of all, you know, it goes back to the injury,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: which was one of just the craziest goddamn things ever,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: you know, and those are the moments where you feel
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: like you're cursed as a fan, where it's like, what
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: he's out for the season, and that really like changed
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I think everything, because you couldn't judge him like one
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: way or the other, you know what I mean. So
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: it was like the media was kind of waiting to see.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: And you know, that first game we got, we got
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: our asses handed to our to us like it was
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: not great. But when he broke out against the Pats,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I think that was going to be his like you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: jumping off point.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: And then this game was just so same old Jets,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: like sloppy. I mean it was in the rain, maybe
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: you could throw that out.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: But but Broncos might be better. They might be a
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: little better than people think they are.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And but what I noticed was against the Pats.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Like rogers wheeling and dealing. He looked good out there.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Because against the Niners, it was like every time he
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: ran the ball, I was like, just lide, go.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Down, go down, going, I throw it out of bounds,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: And then by you know, halfway through the Pats came
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, no, this guy is like still able
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: to scramble and really do it. And then it felt
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: like against the Broncos, it was like a statue.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I think that was a little bit of the weather.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think they're not they're not
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: killing him as much. I think that pats Win gave
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: him a little bit of grace.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: It'd be funny if they did The Star is Born
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: for him, forty years old, off the Pats just him
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: with gray and his beard.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be funny. I mean, the media is
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: so interesting.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: It's like I remember that for the New York Daily News,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it was a reporter maniche Mehta, who I think eventually
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: ended up getting fired. He was always very biased and
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: it was very clear he was just looking for headlines
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and followers, and if he liked you, he would you
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: know right, if he hated you, he would pick you apart.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: And I think eventually they like I can't remember what
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: it was, but they found some dirt on him that
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: was like, you're actually, you know, not a you know whatever.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: The rules of journalism are like you're you know, you're gone,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: you're violating them. But it was like in this new
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: era of I want to go make three hundred and
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: seventy five million dollars like Tom Brady.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I want to be one hundred million dollar man, like
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Stephen A. Smith.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Like you have to build your own following, you have
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: to have your own opinions. You've got to have talk show,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: not just like I'm reporting on the team.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: So you know, with the Mets and the Jets, a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: little bit of the next but most of the Mets
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: and the Jets.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Like the papers and the talk radio are always negative.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Is going to get you more attention. Yeah, the Mike
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Francises of the world and the mad Dogs of the world.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: If you're making fun of the Jets, you know, half
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: the city's laughing at them. The other half is the
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: fans who are like they do this to.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Me every year.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: It's very rare that they're just like they're good, yeah,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: like they're or just like or just like they're okay,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: you know, like you're gonna be eight and eight this year,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Like you're okay.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: It's fine, you lose some games.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's usually just like this guy is falling, or
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: we're gonna put all the pressure in the world on
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: your shoulders.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It's a little different because he's not a rookie. He's
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: not young.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: It's been just a revolving door of either backups or rookies,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: so you don't know like what they're capable of. So
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: this is kind of like I think even the media knows, like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: you can't get crazy. After one game he lost to
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: the Broncos. We'll see what happens next week. You know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: you lose a couple in a row, they're gonna come out.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: But I think right now even the media knows to
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: give him a little bit.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Of You got to give him a little leeway.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It's interesting though, there was a moment so cause I
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: watched that the end of that Broncos Jets game, so
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: when Farv came here after he spent time with you,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and then he came here. Everybody remembers that first season
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: as kind of this magical run.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Talking about it in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, well you guys
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: are like fourteen and two or something.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Right, it was. It was nuts. My dad told me
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: before that season started, he's like, whatever happens, because we
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: didn't know Aaron Rodgers was going to exist, right. I
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: think he'd have thought differently if he thought Aaron Rodgers
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: was going to exist. But he's like, whatever happens. This
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: guy can still play, and you're about to play with
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: their most important guy ever. Well, he's still good. He
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: goes eat up every minute. But people forget you remember
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: when when the heat not one, not two, and then
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: they came out and they lose to the MAVs. Right,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: because when you put somebody who the universe revolves around,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: when you stick them in the center of a new situation,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think people give enough credit for how long
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: that takes. And even though Aaron's been there for a year,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: this is the first time he's really been in it. So,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: like going back to Farv, it was a really really
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: slow start. They were pulling off wins, but it was
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: really really slow. And then there was that Niners game.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: The Niners weren't good yet, but with a few seconds left,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: it was that Farv magic. He slid right, he found
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Greg Lewis in the back of the end zone for
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: this insane touchdown at the buzzer toe tap, and then
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was the Farv magic. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: so when you guys were lining up for that field goal,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like right, but I saw the same
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: thing you saw against the Patriots, and I was like,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: got I think, get this one, and then he goes
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to London. He has this opportunity, and he still has
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: this opportunity, but to play what is right now a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: defense that everybody goes what I don't even understand it,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Like he's gonna be the first veteran to see this defense.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I hope he has the worst day of his year
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: over there, but I think there's a case to be
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: made that this is an ultimate opportunity for him to
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: be the guy who kind of quiets a lot of
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that stuff and has one of those moments where you go, oh.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Pats are obviously not, you know, the best team. To me,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: it was still a big step because they're the Patriots.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: He had to get over them. But I understand they're
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: not the best barometer, but it was the Honestly, I
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: can't believe I'm gonna say this, but maybe like the
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: first time in my life as a Jets fan, certainly
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: in a long time, that I watched a quarterback dismantle
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: a defense like that where it was like we got to.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: The point where he was just worried about spreading the
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: ball around.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: He wants everybody to get some receptions because he's just
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: unlocked this thing and he is just burying you guys.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: And so when I saw that, I was like, this
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: is a different sport than what I've been used to watching.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Like truly, genuinely getting first downs as a Jets fan
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: with some of the quarterbacks we've had, was a big deal.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, the crowd literally goes and that's a Jets
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: first down, and we've celebrated.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: I mean there, I can think of many games where
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: it would be like we haven't crossed midfield.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yet, Like truly, I'm not even joking you.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing you went like when we were earlier
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: doing like this is my fan base. This is my
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: fan base. The fact that you just elocuted that part
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of your team's story is like a deep love for
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: memorable first downs. That's wild. We have the missed kicks,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: but if you're over here like just opining over first
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: down issues, you win.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Third down conversions, third down conversions. I'm like, this is
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: a thing. We get the first down, like on third down,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: you just get the It.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Was against the Pats, I think it was third and
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: third and eighteen, third and twenty something, and he just
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: like got the first down, and I was like, what
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I always go.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Back to this one game. It was Jets Cardinals. Neither
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: team could cross midfield.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Neither team I think we ended up winning like six three,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: and it was just like, this is not football.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: It's not a real it's not the sport you guys watch.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: And then so when I see dismantling like that, I'm like, oh.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I get it. This is why the NFL is the
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: biggest sport in the world. Like that was awesome.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: So I hope that this is one of those moments,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you know where where he kind of, you know, steps
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: up and he's that guy, like the relaxed guy already lax,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: you know, like relax, we got this.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Well, he kind of had one of those moments on
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Thursday Night Football after. I mean, for you as a
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: fan to watch him beat the Patriots and then go
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: on there and be like, hey, I know you guys
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: are tortured. We're changing it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm not about but you know what I said,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I made a video.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: We're reacting to that because I have a series called
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: the Goddamn Jets where we're just running through good or bad,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: and I want my quarterback to say that because it
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: was the moment on the field with Sala where he
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: goes to hug him and he pushed him away, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of the fans thought he said too soon,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: too soon, like don't celebrate, And in the postgame he
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: specified that he was saying two scores because I guess
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: they have some sort of kind of rule that until
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: you're up by two scores, you don't even you know,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: don't get don't get comfortable, which to.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Me, I'm like, that's still not enough. This is the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: New York Jets. Yeah, two scores, you know, we need
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: four scores.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Let's call it the Lincoln rule. Four scores for real.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: But he so he had told them because a lot
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: of people thought there was a little bit of was
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: that tension?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Were they fighting? What was that? He was like, no, no, no, no,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: it's just a rule we have in practice. Got to
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: be up by two scores.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: So he pushed them away and he said that, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's what I want for my quarterback.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: But for us when they've won eighteen of twenty.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've beat us on Thanksgiving and butt fumbles
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: and laughed at us and Belichick with the napkin and
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I see ghosts and all those.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Things you can celebrate.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: You can celebrate like like you know, you know, you
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: got the monkey off your back and maybe that's a
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: signal of more things to come. So yeah, there's a bigger, bigger,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you know, for him it's worlds, it's a super Bowl
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: or busts. So but for us, I think it's important
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to enjoy the ride a little bit because usually the
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: ride has completely.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Sucked before I get you out of here. Even though
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: this is a football podcast, we can't not do this
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: speaking of that mentality, like that's I'm a diehard Timbrels
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: fan my whole life, so last, and you want to
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: talk about a tortured fan base. That is the most
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: comically your owner signs a contract before surgery that steals
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: all the draft picks during Kevin Garnett's primes. That's like
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: you couldn't even you'd write that into a scripts.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: The known enough that's not like talked about enough. That
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: needs to be out there more.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It's one of the wildest and then it's just debacle
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: after debacle after debacle.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Adam Garnet Marbury and I think was spree well there
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: with them.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: At the same time.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: No, so it was it was Garnett, Marbury and Googliata Rights,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: and then it was spree Well and Cassell. You want, dude,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: here's how funny the tim Wolves are. The tim Wolves
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: had their one great previous to last year. Their one
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: great year in franchise history was I'm not saying they
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: would have beat that weird Karl Malone Gary Payton Lakers team,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: but the fact that one of their three most important
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: players was hampered in that series because when they beat
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the Kings to go to the Western Conference Finals, he
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: did the Major League Big Ball Dance. He hurt his
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: back doing that. Like you want to talk about a
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: tortured family. You're telling me that, You're telling me the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Big Ball Dance cost us our only chance at a
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: title in twenty years. Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: That was like the Mets with Diaz in the World
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Baseball Plastic so celebrating a meaningless exhibition, he breaks his leg.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: You know, there's so many stories like that.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I feel like over the years we had guys like
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: injure themselves with Q tips or fall down the stairs
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: of the dugout, or one guy on the Mets.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Once hurt his back picking up. He's a hunter, he hunt.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: He was picking up like an Elkerson and like hurt
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: his back. I was like, what is going on? Is
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: fell in a hole because a boar was chasing?
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, just things that are like completely they feel
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: completely made up, and they probably are to be honest,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: probably ridiculous stories cover up the truth or something. But
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: it's like, I'm happy to hear there's at least one
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: of the franchise out there that has to deal with it,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: so or not all old.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I love a millionaire that's so stubborn that he won't
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: buy an ATV. What are you doing?
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Put the helck on an age right, You don't need
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: to do I know, I know Hicks who have ATVs
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: for that exact reason. But you got you got. It's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it's interesting a lot like Kirk Cousins. The town's thing
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: is divisive here. I'm on record. I think you guys
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: got a unicorn. I think it'll be really interesting to
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: see how he fits in. But what I will tell
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: you is for all the complaining people got on him
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: about his body language, which bro it's the NBA, Like,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. But if body language is gonna
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: be the thing we're gonna talk about in the NBA,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to write a twelve thousand page essay
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: about the whole league. But this is a dude who
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: never complained, never wanted out his dude, the guy who
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: drafted and died. He plays for all these other coaches.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler fights him in practice, like he goes on
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: to win the NBA's version of the Walter Peyton Man.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Like he is such a good, committed human and then oh,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: he's also the greatest big man three point shooter of
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: all time and has a put like I think you're
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: gonna absolutely love him. What is that? Is that where
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: you guys are at?
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know where we're at right now.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I think the Jalen Brunson Knicks are so likable, like
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: one of the most likable teams I think in like
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: sports history. The Nova Knicks thing is incredible. These guys
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: are all like literally best friends, all have a history together,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: and and Brunson kind of embodies this like, you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: he was he was underrated, overrated, under you know, they
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: thought the contract was too big, they didn't think he
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: was a superstar. He's always said that, people said he
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: was too short, too slow, And he ends up being
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: you know, absolutely awesome, and they just put around this
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: crew of guys that are so so likable, like Hartenstein
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: is this like electric guy that reminds me of like
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: the old Knicks, and you got a bunch of shooters
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: hitting big shots, and I think there was this feeling
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: of like, let's try to get the job done with
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: these guys, you.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Know, bring back Randall, Let the Nova Knicks.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: You know, they put bridges in the mix, like let's
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: get over the hump with that. And I think that's unrealistic,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: and I think that's the job of a GM is
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: to be like, yeah, listen, it's cute that they all
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: played for the same college. It's not realistic. Devincenzo had said,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be a bench player. I don't
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: want to be relegated to the bench because of these moves,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: like I'm not gonna be happy here, so they move
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: him Randall.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Randall's an interesting player because Randall.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: At times is like unstoppable twenty six and fifteen, like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: you know, one of the best big men, you know, imaginable,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: and then in the postseason, you know, disappears, doesn't get
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: it done.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Can be a very you know, emotional type of player.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I'm a little upset about that first round pick. I
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: feel like they could have maybe got it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Love it. That's the thing that's getting That's the thing
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that's keeping me afloat, brother Matt.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Because that that pick is you know, the pistons are dreaded, they're.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Not good, and it's not incredibly protected, right, I know
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: it's protected, but what is it top two or three
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: a good one.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: And so there's a little bit of like it also
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: just came out of nowhere, at least not for me,
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: like I for siders, we're talking about it, but everyone
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: was like what and then you know Kat tweeting just
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: like the three dots, like the ellipses. Yeah, I think
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: it's going to be something where we look back and go, like,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: remember when people the same thing on a smaller scale
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: that happened with OG when they when the next traded
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: quickly and RJ Barrett, people were upset because it was
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: like these are homegrown and all that, and it's like, oh,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: that was like the best trade.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Out O O G.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: It was flabbergasted by that because that dude is an
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: absolute monster.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: And the only other thing I think with Kat is
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: he does not give off the tough, the toughest of vibes.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: And this team was like gangster.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: The Knicks were like they were they could, they had talent,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: but they were also like, you know, we you you
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: do not mess with us. And when you lose Hartenstein,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: who's kind of that heart and soul and and ryandall's
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: one of those guys. And then your replacement is Carl
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Anthony Towns, who's like, like, like you said, very gifted,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: but not the most you know, the tough New York
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: guy we want him to be. But if you're out
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: there reigning threes and you're an offensive weapon and everything's.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Clicking, it all goes away.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's right, weird trade.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Gonna be one that, uh, you know, hopefully everybody works out.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: It's very rare, but like both teams might end up
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: looking at it thinking it's all right, I don't.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Know, it's kind of weird for and nothing's going on there.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: I had an inkling was like I'd have thought like
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: it was Anthony Edwards, like this is my team and
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I don't like this guy.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: No, no, No, he's cat.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Cat is this guy, because like, so that was the
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: only thing that maybe made sense to me.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: You were the you were the one seed, right or
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: the two seed, one seed.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Three seeds, one seed most of this season, like.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Your best season ever. I think you were the one
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: seed for at least a chunk of the year. Like
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, the Wolves, they're one of those teams
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: where I used to say the Wolves are never gonna
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: win because.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: They're the Wolves.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: They put it together and then they take it away
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: like it better work.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Or that's a strange move.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I think. And I'm not smart enough to conceptualize all this,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: but I think it is with the new Bargaining Agreement,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, if you are over the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: second apron, you just are what you are. You can't trade,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Like I think the restrictions to move around after that
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: are pretty intense. And I think they looked at it going, well,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: we can either run it back exactly like this, and
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that means eventually, will you lose this guy and this
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: will change.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Or I mean, his contract is nuts.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: It's nuts.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: It's light but fifty one, fifty five, sixty two and
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: then sixty seven million a year.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: If the next is crazy, here's what I'll tell you,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna ask you one Viking question so
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I don't get yelled at for turning it into a
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Timbers podcast on the Vikings Dime, But I was there
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: is a possibility last year was the best year of
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Kat's career, both from an on the court standpoint, a
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: defensive standpoint, but most importantly a maturity standpoint. Okay, it
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: was his most sure year, and there is a chance
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: that that is the inflection point for him that launches
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: him into this new universe. There's a there's a chance
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that halfway through this NBA season, You're gonna send me
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: a message and be like, what the dude, how is it? Like,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: there's a chance, especially because he is his pick and
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: pop with Brunson, especially with other shooters, And I'm like, ah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: that is.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: One thing I was thinking of, is like the way
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: that that offense could be run with all the shooters
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: and with Brunson, and then you got this big guy
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: who's so versatile, and you got to get somebody to
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: really go up against embiid and get the East Like
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I think I think we'll look back and be like
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: remember when we were worried about that. Now in a
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: couple more years, when we see what that draft pick is,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: it might flip again and you might be like, well,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: that's what we won. But for the short term, I
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: think and I trust. I trust the Knicks runt office
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: for the first time, and you know, twenty five years,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Leon Rose has been incredible, so he does, like we
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: we ride with him.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: What last thing for you on the game? I'm curious.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about a prediction. If you give one, but one,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I'd also be curious. And this is like my one
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: bully move as a host. But I want to know, like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: what's the one thing you're worried about? Like when you're
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: looking at this Vikings team, what's the one thing that
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you think they do so well or you're so impressed
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: by that it is you know, you're ruminating on it,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Like what's what's the big concern going into this weekend?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: If you leave your own universe of this is what's
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: wrong with my team?
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I I very much believe in I think
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: sports are this weird combination of of like the most tangible.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: It's live and these guys are playing it and you
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: never know what's going to happen, while also being mixed
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: in with like I think it's all scripted and written
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: in the stars and written in stone, and the fact
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: that they're facing Donald's this in a good situation.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: It just has every.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Like New York media, New York fan base, all that
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: freaking out over it, Like we went and got Aaron
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Rodgers and and like, look he ended up beating us,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: and that that to me has a high potential. And
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: that's but that's also where I I I think of
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: like maybe this is where Aaron Rodgers says, like all
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: of your dumb little superstitions and all those little things,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: like get rid of them, because that doesn't matter anymore.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: But that that's what has me has me most scared
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: going in. I mean, you said the defense has been
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: lights out as as I understand it, I had not
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: really gotten to see them play much. But as I
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: as I understand it, that's, uh, you know what what
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: we need to fear right now. And that offense did
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: not look great against the the Broncos. Again, that was
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: the weather was was nasty. But I think right now
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: he's Rogers is really only comfortable throwing Alan Lazard. I
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: think like he's still learning everybody else and and that,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: so you know that going up against the real solid
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: defense would give me pause. But it's that storyline, man,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: that's that's that storyline of like the Donald revenge game,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: you know, makes me want to puke just think about it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's make sure the storyline of the Aaron
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Rodgers breakout is week six.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, how about we play you know no nobody,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: you know, no star, no superstar performances.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I'll come down to a field home point flip.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: We'll see how it happens and maybe the storylines can
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: can resume next week.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: You're king, dude.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Thank you love it man, Thanks a love.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks again to Kevin Clancy for joining the show, and
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: thank you to all of you for joining the show. Also,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: huge shout out to Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen. Hey,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: and we're off next week during the bye, so we'll
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: see you Viking fans all again in two weeks