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Lawsuit Filed in the Case of Missing Mom of 3, WHERE IS ANA? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Friday Night Special. That's right,
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Speaker 1: It's Friday Night and it's special.
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Speaker 2: Does the name Brian Walsh ring a bell? I will
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Speaker 2: never forget it.
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Speaker 1: I actually remember his wife better, Anna Walsh. Her body
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Speaker 1: has never been found and she leaves behind two little
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Speaker 1: boys to grow up without mommy. Remember husband Brian and
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Speaker 1: all of his damning computer searches, like, how long does
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Speaker 1: it take for a dead body to start smelling?
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Speaker 2: Yes? Him idiot? On top of being an alleged killer.
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Speaker 2: That said, the.
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Speaker 1: Owner of the home where young mom Anna Walsh was
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Speaker 1: allegedly murdered is now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: just never ends. Not only that is the judge getting
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Speaker 1: off the case. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Let's
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Speaker 1: start with the owner of the home where Anna Walsh
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Speaker 1: was allegedly killed now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Recall, Brian
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Speaker 1: Walsh allegedly kills and dismembers his beautiful wife Anna. Well,
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Speaker 1: the owner of that kahas At home where that allegedly
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Speaker 1: occurred is suing Brian Walsh's mother for four hundred thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: claiming the murder and police investigation has damaged and quote
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Speaker 1: psychologically impacted the property. How do you psychologically impact the property,
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Speaker 1: the home itself, the yard.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody wants to ever.
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Speaker 1: Buy the home, but how is the home psychologically impacted?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 1: That said the homeowner. Peter Capizzoli filed the lawsuit against
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Speaker 1: Walsh's mother, Diana Walsh, in Norfolk Superior Court. He is
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Speaker 1: also suing the property insurance under writing Association for four
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, claiming it wrongfully denied him coverage. Now,
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Speaker 1: according to this complaint, Diana Walsh, the mom, signed a
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Speaker 1: six month lease okay on the property, later extending the lease.
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Speaker 1: She allegedly told the owner Capuzzoli, she planned to live
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Speaker 1: in the home with son Brian, the daughter in law Anna,
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Speaker 1: and their three children the following January. When Anna's disappearance
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Speaker 1: hit the headlines, police soon accused Brian Walsh of foul
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Speaker 1: pl heavily leaning on those suspicious Google searches and did
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Speaker 1: I mention he purchased hundreds of dollars of cleaning products
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Speaker 1: and hardware supplies in the days that followed. That includes
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Speaker 1: a hacksaw and a hatchet. Police say they found some
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Speaker 1: of Anna's belongings in a dumpster, and they found a
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Speaker 1: bloody damaged knife in the basement of that cahac At home.
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Speaker 1: Now in this complaint, the murder caused quote blood and
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Speaker 1: human remains to contaminate the home, including the bedroom where
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Speaker 1: the murder took place and the basement where the dismemberment.
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Speaker 1: Oh Lord, have mercy allegedly took place. This is in
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit, and the homeowner says he had to bring
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Speaker 1: in a company that specializes in murder scene decontamination at
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Speaker 1: quote substantial expense. He claims the investigation damaged the property
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Speaker 1: with blood detecting chemical luminol staining the walls, mattresses, furniture, commodes, sinks,
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Speaker 1: and showers okay. He also says that because of the
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Speaker 1: publicized murder, the property has now been quote psychologically impacted
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Speaker 1: and substantially decreased its rental and sales value.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: The mom responds Diana walts, and she denies ever living
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Speaker 1: there and says she was not listed as a guaranteur
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Speaker 1: and if Capuzoli sustained damages, they were caused by acts
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Speaker 1: over which she The mom Diana Walsh had no control. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we'll see where that lands.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Ps. The mom also files the counterclaim. Can you believe this?
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Speaker 1: Claiming the property did not comply with sanitation codes and
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Speaker 1: was filled with mold when they moved in. Interesting how
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Speaker 1: she only figured that out after the murders.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: In addition to all of that, the judge in the
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Speaker 1: case as now citing a potential conflict. Is she going
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Speaker 1: to be taken off the case? Judge Diane Frenier informed
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Speaker 1: all the parties she has a pre existing friendship with
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Speaker 1: attorney Michael Sullivan, who was recently added to help the
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Speaker 1: prosecution handle federal material related.
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Speaker 2: To this case.
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Speaker 1: She describes him as a mentor and former co worker.
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Speaker 1: She also says she can remain objective, but offered to
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Speaker 1: let Walsh and his defense attorney consider whether they want
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Speaker 1: a new judge. Wow, okay, let me jog your memory.
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Speaker 1: Can listen to our friends at wpr I.
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Speaker 4: Thirty nine year old Anna Walsh left her home early
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Speaker 4: Sunday morning. She was supposed to take a flight from
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Speaker 4: Logan to DC, where she works during the week, but
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Speaker 4: there's no record of her ever boarding a flight. Polise
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Speaker 4: there's been reports that she took a ride share. There's
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Speaker 4: also been no electronic flipprint of her in five days.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all this starts in Cohasset in Norfolk County, Massachusetts
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know. Right now, before I introduce them all,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a special guest, Dana Kennedy,
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Speaker 1: senior reporter with my favorite newspaper, The New York Post.
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Speaker 2: Dana, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: This just is it's really hard for me to believe
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Speaker 1: from everything I know about Anna Walsh that she would
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Speaker 1: leave her three little boys alone.
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Speaker 2: I mean, have you looked at photos of her.
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Speaker 1: There's not really a lot of photos of her and
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Speaker 1: her family, but she always seems so connected to the children.
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Speaker 5: She did seem connected to the children and Nancy. At
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Speaker 5: the same.
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Speaker 6: Time, I felt it was a little bit.
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Speaker 5: Strange she got this new job in Washington, DC and
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Speaker 5: she had like a smaller part.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well wait wait, wait, wait wait wait.
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Speaker 1: Dania Kennedy, you happen to have a lot of information,
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Speaker 1: and you're like the fire hydrant of news.
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Speaker 2: It just comes out so fast. I've got it, you know.
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Speaker 1: I like to make flow charts right, and I can't
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Speaker 1: really write that quickly. Now, hold on, new job? What
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Speaker 1: was new job?
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Speaker 5: Her new job was as a real estate executive with
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Speaker 5: a Washington, DC based firm.
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Speaker 2: Hold On, you know what.
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Speaker 1: I knew she was in real estate and she's fairly successful,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was a new job. Now
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Speaker 1: let me think that through. So she's living in Cahassett
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Speaker 1: and the job. Is it based in DC or does
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Speaker 1: she just have to go there occasionally?
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Speaker 2: It's based in DC?
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Speaker 1: Uugh, Okay, that's tough, even though that's not a long trip, Dana,
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Speaker 1: you're familiar with the I call it the second LaGuardia
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Speaker 1: where there is an airport that just does shuttles.
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Speaker 2: They do from LaGuardia, New York to.
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Speaker 1: D C. Right, they used to do one from LaGuardia
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Speaker 1: to Boston. It's really quick and the only flights leaving
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Speaker 1: the Marine Terminal as it was called, are just those
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Speaker 1: couple of few cities, and it's like a hot jump
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Speaker 1: and a skip.
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Speaker 2: So is that true? From Cohasset?
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Speaker 1: I guess you'd take the Boston airport to d C's
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Speaker 1: how far is that of a flight?
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Speaker 5: It's only about an hour. I mean, I actually come
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Speaker 5: from Massachusetts in one of the one of the towns
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Speaker 5: involved is my hometown. In this case, it's really only
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Speaker 5: an hour flight, but it's at least an hour from Cohasset.
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Speaker 7: To Logan Airport.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, once you get to Washington, d C.
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Speaker 1: It's you know, you have to.
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Speaker 5: Get into the city, so it's a hot jump, but
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Speaker 5: it still takes time.
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Speaker 1: You know. That's so true about every floor every trip.
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Speaker 1: You's say, oh, it's just an aer flight, but by
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Speaker 1: the time you leave early to get to the airport
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Speaker 1: an hour or two early.
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Speaker 2: So you know, in case they are a lines.
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Speaker 1: By the time it's all said, none, it's like four
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Speaker 1: or five hours, no matter how.
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Speaker 2: You slice the bread.
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Speaker 1: At least I'm just thinking about her. So now her
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Speaker 1: new job is based in d C. Would she go
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Speaker 1: for the whole week? Yeah, well, who's taking care of
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Speaker 1: the boys while she's gone for the week?
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Speaker 5: A husband?
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Speaker 1: That's a big stress on a marriage and a family leaving.
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Speaker 1: If you're gonna laugh, Dana, I swear if I go
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Speaker 1: one night, and I don't think I'm the most critical
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Speaker 1: person in the family, but when I'm gone one night,
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Speaker 1: I come home the whole house looks like.
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Speaker 2: Bears have been living there.
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Speaker 1: I look in the children's backpacks and they're full of
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Speaker 1: like trash. I ask what they have for supper, as
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Speaker 1: if I didn't know, it's going to be pizza. That's
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Speaker 1: no vegetables Dana at all. Okay, Well, apparently they had
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Speaker 1: it worked out, so she leaves the house that morning.
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Speaker 5: Well, we don't know, that's what he said.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's what the hobby says. Tell me. Cahasta, where
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Speaker 2: they lived.
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Speaker 5: Cohasset, is a really pretty high end seaside town, pretty posh,
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Speaker 5: and they were living in a rental because the house
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Speaker 5: they'd had before actually burned down.
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Speaker 1: Now, hadn't they already moved out of it when it
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Speaker 1: caught on fire? Yeah, and some other people were living there.
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Speaker 1: That's just another wrinkle in this case. So we've got
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Speaker 1: this gorgeous and I mean gorgeous, thirty nine year old mom,
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Speaker 1: Anna Walsh, with three boys, ages two, four, and six.
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Speaker 1: She just takes a new real estate job, but she
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Speaker 1: has to travel to get there. What was her job
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Speaker 1: before that, Dana?
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Speaker 5: She was basically in hospitality, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: She started off.
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Speaker 5: Really low level, almost as a cleaning lady. According to
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Speaker 5: some of my sources, however, she graduated pretty quickly two
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Speaker 5: hotels like hotels in western Massachusetts and around that area.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, everybody on the panel, and
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Speaker 1: Dodger Bethany Marshall is going to love this also with
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Speaker 1: me in addition to Dania Kennedy, senior reporter with New
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Speaker 1: York Post. And it's a real honor to have you, Dana,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall joining me. Psychoallis out of Beverly Hills
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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com and start bringing Empire
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Speaker 1: on Netflix. Dodger Bethany I tracked down a friend of
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Speaker 1: Anna's and this is how he met her. He and
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Speaker 1: his son would often visit the grandmother, his mother in Boston,
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Speaker 1: and at that time, Anna for years was working at
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Speaker 1: a high end hotel in Boston, and that is where
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Speaker 1: Frank and his son Henry would always stay and Anna
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Speaker 1: would handle their reservation and whatever they needed while they
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Speaker 1: were there. And she took a particular liking to Henry,
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Speaker 1: the little boy, the son, and she would always give
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Speaker 1: him special treats and recommend thanks for them to do
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Speaker 1: in Boston when they weren't with the mother, Miss Hall,
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Speaker 1: and over the years they became really good friends, and
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Speaker 1: she would go out of her way to do things
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Speaker 1: for Frank, who's a single dad trying to take care
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Speaker 1: of his son, and she really made a huge impact
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Speaker 1: not only on him and his son, but other people
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Speaker 1: in the hotel too, And that really gave me an
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Speaker 1: insight into her after many many discussions with Frank about
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Speaker 1: her because she didn't know them, and she didn't know
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Speaker 1: the little boy, but went out of her way, above
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Speaker 1: and beyond any duty at the hotel just to be
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Speaker 1: genuinely kind and welcoming.
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Speaker 2: And sincere people she didn't even know, Doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, this is so profound what you're sharing
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Speaker 6: because she started in twenty fifteen as a recent immigrant,
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Speaker 6: as Dana said, cleaning rooms, and she advanced quickly, which
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Speaker 6: tells me that she's a very hard but hard work
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Speaker 6: did not get in the way of wanting to help others.
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Speaker 6: It tells me that this is a woman who's capable
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Speaker 6: of forming attachments, and that's very important for this story
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Speaker 6: because it means this is not a mother who just
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Speaker 6: took off, who was unattached to her children, who or
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Speaker 6: who was unattached to her husband. In fact, going to
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Speaker 6: the sea for work may have actually been a sacrifice
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Speaker 6: to be away from her family. So this woman is beloved,
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Speaker 6: she cares, she's altruistic, she has family and friends around her.
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Speaker 6: She forms long, long, long term relationships. Someone like this
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Speaker 6: does not just get in the car and drive away
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Speaker 6: from their family, right. They don't just find another lover
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Speaker 6: and you know, leave it all, like we see with
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Speaker 6: some mothers who are not even bonded with their children,
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Speaker 6: so they create a new life and secret. This is
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Speaker 6: not Anna Walsh. Annah Walsh cared. Anna Walsh was attached.
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Speaker 6: Anna Walsh was firmly ensconced in a community and in
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Speaker 6: her relationship.
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Speaker 1: So what do we know about the morning she apparently
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Speaker 1: got a ride share of some sort uber or lyft
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Speaker 1: to the airport for a trip to DC. Now, one
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Speaker 1: thing I can tell you is this on January one,
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Speaker 1: when most people are off Take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: our friends at WUSA.
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Speaker 8: A relative told go House of Police at the thirty
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Speaker 8: nine year old was seen leaving her Massachusetts home around
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Speaker 8: four a m. On January first to take a ride
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Speaker 8: share to Logan Airport in Boston.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It never ends with Brian Walsh.
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Speaker 1: Now his mother is being sued because she apparently rented
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Speaker 1: the home where the murderer and the disposal of Anna's
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Speaker 1: body allegedly took place. What I'm asked, you know what,
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Speaker 1: that's a civil lawsuit. I'm more concerned about whether the
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Speaker 1: state can prove a murderer.
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Speaker 2: Is this correct that she had a dinner with friends.
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Speaker 5: Yes, they had a dinner with one friend.
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Speaker 2: One friend. Was that in the home or did they
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Speaker 2: go out? It was in the home. In the home, Okay,
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Speaker 2: so the friend and the friends stay every night. No,
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Speaker 2: but he has been quoted.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so we know she was there for New Year's Eve,
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Speaker 1: and okay, I just wanted to back up just a
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Speaker 1: little bit to confirm the timeline.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen more from WSA.
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Speaker 8: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
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Speaker 8: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
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Speaker 7: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride.
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Speaker 2: Share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the Aions.
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Speaker 9: And that's been a challenge, that she did not board
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Speaker 9: a plane this week.
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Speaker 8: Police say her phone has been off and there has
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Speaker 8: been no activity on her credit or debit cards.
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Speaker 1: I wanted you to take a listen to more of
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Speaker 1: what the friend had to say. But first I want
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Speaker 1: to go to Ross Gardner, consultant and instructor at Bevillgardner
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Speaker 1: dot com, author of Bloodstained Pattern Analysis with an Introduction
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Speaker 1: to Crime Scene Reconstruction third Edition.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I like that's the third edition.
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Speaker 1: That means you've got three books that you have revised
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Speaker 1: about crime scene reconstruction.
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Speaker 2: And I could talk to you about blood stain pattern
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Speaker 2: analysis all day long. Ross Gardner, you're a forensic consultant.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this very quickly, if you can
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Speaker 1: put it in a nutshell for everybody that hasn't had
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Speaker 1: to do it, how do you confirm whether someone caught
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Speaker 1: a ride share from a certain address, and how do
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Speaker 1: you confirm forensically if you're investigating the case whether someone
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Speaker 1: took a flight out of Cohasset or out of Boston.
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Speaker 10: Well, today, in this technology, it's hard to move about
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Speaker 10: without some level of leaving information behind. I think this
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Speaker 10: is basic criminal investigation. They would have contacted the lists
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Speaker 10: and the right share of people, and they have records,
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Speaker 10: and of course you were not going to go through
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Speaker 10: TSA without being recognized unless you're claimed, you know, somebody
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Speaker 10: were to claim that she were traveling in disguise or
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Speaker 10: under a false name. So I think that was the
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Speaker 10: easiest part of the whole deal for the criminal investigators,
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Speaker 10: just to figure out.
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Speaker 1: Did she really catch a rye and did she really
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Speaker 1: have a fly or did she ever even have a
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Speaker 1: flight booked? Did she have a flight book that she
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Speaker 1: did catch or did she not even have a flight booked?
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Speaker 1: You know what this is reminding me of to Dana
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Speaker 1: Kennedy and New York Post, this.
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Speaker 2: Name is going to go down in infamy forever. Caitlin Armstrong.
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Speaker 1: She was the glam yoga instructor murdering her boyfriend's.
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Speaker 2: Friend Mariah, Remember her, Mariah.
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Speaker 1: Wilson, who was a world class dirt and mud biker
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Speaker 1: who was in town for competition. And the boyfriend got
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Speaker 1: together with Mariah, you know, for the afternoon and the
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Speaker 1: next thing you know, she's dead, shot dead in the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: Remember how they finally traced her and found her in
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 2: Costa Rica was exactly the way.
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Speaker 1: Ross Gardner just described evidence photos video at the airport
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Speaker 1: from TSA.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely I covered that story when it happened and It
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Speaker 5: was incredible that it sure did. They saw her in
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Speaker 5: surveillance video at LaGuardia after she flew out of I
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Speaker 5: believe Austin. But then somehow she was able to get
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Speaker 5: a fig passport and then she flew out to Costa Rica.
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Speaker 5: It was incredible that she lasted as long as she did,
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Speaker 5: and as we know, I think she had dyed her
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Speaker 5: hair and was making herself look as different as possible.
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Speaker 2: Kind of knows job. Yeah, so Ross Gardner is right.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this young mom ever had a
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Speaker 1: flight arranged or we just thought she had a flight arranged.
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Speaker 1: But we now know she didn't take a lift, she
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Speaker 1: didn't take an uber, no ride share or cab.
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Speaker 2: So all right, where is she now?
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Speaker 1: We find out there's no activity on her credit or
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Speaker 1: debit cards, so how is she living? When does she
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Speaker 1: reported missing? Take a listen our friends at Boston twenty five.
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Speaker 11: A Cohaset police log is shedding new light on how
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Speaker 11: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
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Speaker 11: a well being check was made on January fourth by
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Speaker 11: a man who identified himself as the head of security
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Speaker 11: at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC. Tishman Spire. The log
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Speaker 11: says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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Speaker 11: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
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Speaker 11: a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
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Speaker 11: According to the log, on his phone last pied on
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Speaker 11: January second, at three fourteen am in Cohase said and
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Speaker 11: hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than
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Speaker 11: a mile from the family's home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all of that was interesting to me, but Dana
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Speaker 1: and hey, don't worry.
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Speaker 2: Philip Holloway, I'm getting to you.
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Speaker 1: Philip Holloway with me, high profile lawyer or founder of
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Speaker 1: the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, radio host, legal
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Speaker 1: analyst WSB, host of Sworn, a true crime podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm getting there, Phil. And remember Philip again, I stold
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Speaker 2: it everyone before we went to air. We're not having
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Speaker 2: high tea at winsor Castle. Jump in.
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Speaker 1: Man, you're certainly not afraid of jumping in in court.
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Speaker 1: So if you have an idea, jump in. Dana Kennedy,
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Speaker 1: A lot just jumped out at me. But one thing
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Speaker 1: is her phone pinged January two at home when she
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Speaker 1: was supposed to have left the morning of January one.
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Speaker 2: What she left without her phone?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing makes any sense, Nancy. I mean, and if
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Speaker 5: she had we were talking about flights earlier. Had she
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Speaker 5: made an arrangement for a flight, that would have shown
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Speaker 5: up online somewhere.
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Speaker 2: Okay to you.
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Speaker 1: Philip Holloway, lawyer and founder of the Holloway Law Group,
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Speaker 1: Cobb County, Georgia. Philip Holloway, Why is it her office
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Speaker 1: reported her missing?
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't the husband have reported her missing?
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Speaker 7: Well, look, anybody who cares about her should have reported
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Speaker 7: her missing. But look, I think this does make perfectly good.
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Speaker 12: Tins And I like you.
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Speaker 1: Hey, if my husband ever goes missing, remind me hire
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Speaker 1: Philip Halloway. Of course he can't go missing because I've
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Speaker 1: got him a life three sixty. I've got him on
21:41
Speaker 1: this and on that. Man, I know when he's going
21:44
Speaker 1: to go empty the trash. Actually, really, he's so trustworthy.
21:48
Speaker 1: When I try to look through his emails, they're so
21:51
Speaker 1: boring my eyes bleed, So you know I'm actually not
21:54
Speaker 1: tracking him.
21:56
Speaker 2: That said, go ahead, Philip Halloway. Well, look, I think this.
21:58
Speaker 7: Whole thing does make for good sense because the picture
22:02
Speaker 7: that's being painted here by the circumstantial evidence All I
22:06
Speaker 7: said is.
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Speaker 2: He didn't report her missing. Man.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, this could be the most powerful type of evidence
22:10
Speaker 7: in court. Circumstantial evidence is great, and the circumstances paint
22:14
Speaker 7: a picture of someone who has been killed.
22:17
Speaker 12: This is a murder case.
22:18
Speaker 7: We all know where it's going. The circumstances all point
22:21
Speaker 7: to that.
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Speaker 2: I believe you're putting the cart before the horse.
22:24
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
22:25
Speaker 2: Nobody has said murdered yet.
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Speaker 12: I don't think so.
22:27
Speaker 7: I think this is where it's.
22:28
Speaker 2: All I did.
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Speaker 1: I say, are you familiar with William Shakespeare, because one
22:32
Speaker 1: of my favorite quotes.
22:33
Speaker 2: Is methinks thou dost protest too much?
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Speaker 1: All I said was he didn't report her missing, And
22:37
Speaker 1: you just went crazy about a circumstance of wordcase.
22:42
Speaker 7: Well, that's what it is. You know, when somebody says
22:44
Speaker 7: this doesn't make sense, I have the position that it
22:46
Speaker 7: makes perfectly good sense. Once you understand that this is
22:50
Speaker 7: a murder case, it starts to make sense. Everything that
22:53
Speaker 7: we know and everything that's happened fit's perfectly into that paradise.
22:56
Speaker 2: Why didn't he report her missing, Philip Holloway.
22:59
Speaker 7: Because he's afraid of going to prison.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's certainly one way of putting it. Now,
23:04
Speaker 1: we have a little, let's just say, inconsistency in the facts.
23:08
Speaker 2: Take a listen to wb Z.
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Speaker 13: WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
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Speaker 13: by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends.
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Speaker 2: The friend lives in Washington, d C.
23:18
Speaker 13: Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left
23:21
Speaker 13: on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing
23:24
Speaker 13: to police.
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Speaker 12: Said Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I
23:29
Speaker 12: was just reaching out to basically everybody I could. Anna
23:33
Speaker 12: hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
23:34
Speaker 12: anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know,
23:38
Speaker 12: calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here.
23:41
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, Okay, no offense to this guy calling people.
23:44
Speaker 1: But Dana Kennedy, did it sound a little bit like
23:47
Speaker 1: he's reading a script.
23:48
Speaker 5: It sounded a bit like he was reading a script.
23:50
Speaker 5: And also he was completely nonchalant. I mean, in this
23:54
Speaker 5: day and age, when someone's out of touch for two days,
23:57
Speaker 5: you'd be in a total panic. You'd be only every
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Speaker 5: copy'd be.
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Speaker 2: Doing everything possible.
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Speaker 1: You're so right, doctor Bethany Marshall. I've told you this
24:04
Speaker 1: story before. But I don't think everybody knows the story.
24:07
Speaker 2: Let me just tell this real quick, David.
24:09
Speaker 1: My husband travels a lot for his job, and typically
24:14
Speaker 1: when he touched down, he'll text me, and that's great.
24:18
Speaker 2: I don't need to talk to him. I just like
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Speaker 2: to know he's safe.
24:22
Speaker 1: Well, bethany excuse me, doctor Bethany One time he got
24:27
Speaker 1: to Florida and he texted, I made it, and I'm
24:32
Speaker 1: going to go do this, this, this, this and this,
24:34
Speaker 1: and then I'll end up at the hotel around nine o'clock.
24:38
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I never heard from him again.
24:41
Speaker 1: And I could just imagine him getting run over in
24:44
Speaker 1: the parking lot or some nut hitting me in the
24:47
Speaker 1: head or I didn't.
24:48
Speaker 2: Know what I was thinking.
24:50
Speaker 1: You know. My coworker d and I stayed up till
24:54
Speaker 1: four o'clock by snight that night, calling hospitals.
24:57
Speaker 2: Finally I got the manager to go and not on his.
25:02
Speaker 1: Door with much much strong arming, and he was in
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Speaker 1: there and had come home early and fallen asleep.
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Speaker 2: You can hear the TV in the background. He's like,
25:12
Speaker 2: totally not doubt. But I was so upset. I was
25:16
Speaker 2: calling every hospital in the area. I didn't know where his.
25:20
Speaker 1: Business appointments were so I was trying outlying hospitals. I
25:24
Speaker 1: know it sounded like a crazy person. I was convinced
25:27
Speaker 1: something had happened to him. I'm assure didn't sound like
25:30
Speaker 1: I was writing a script.
25:32
Speaker 2: No exactly.
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Speaker 6: That's why you just took the words right out of
25:34
Speaker 6: my mouth. Compare his response with yours.
25:38
Speaker 2: He had what we.
25:39
Speaker 6: Call in my field trite, rehearsed and stereotyped speech. That's
25:44
Speaker 6: what we put in reports when we're analyzing a patient
25:48
Speaker 6: who sort of hollow and empty and not believable. Also
25:51
Speaker 6: somebody who has very little original thinking, so they kind
25:55
Speaker 6: of they kind of they spout off or they repeat
26:00
Speaker 6: eat what they have read somewhere, or what they hear
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Speaker 6: other people saying.
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Speaker 2: I hear you. Let's hear that again, Sandney, could you
26:07
Speaker 2: play that one more time? Where we hear Brian Walsh.
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Speaker 13: WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
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Speaker 13: by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends.
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Speaker 2: The friend lives in Washington, d C.
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Speaker 13: Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left
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Speaker 13: on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing
26:25
Speaker 13: to police.
26:26
Speaker 12: Said Brian Walsh, and hopeful is going well. I was
26:30
Speaker 12: just just reshing out to basically everybody I could. Anna
26:33
Speaker 12: hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
26:35
Speaker 12: anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know,
26:38
Speaker 12: calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here.
26:41
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, okay, So now guys, take a listen to
26:46
Speaker 1: what police are saying.
26:48
Speaker 2: This is WUSA.
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Speaker 8: Walsh's friends and family have been cooperating with detectives. The
26:54
Speaker 8: Realistic executive would spend her work weeks in the district
26:57
Speaker 8: and weekends with their family and her Massachusetts home, where
27:00
Speaker 8: local and state officials have brought in their search on
27:03
Speaker 8: a wall. She's described as a five foot two woman,
27:06
Speaker 8: weighing one hundred and fifteen pounds. She has brown hair
27:08
Speaker 8: and brown eyes, and speaks with an Eastern European accent,
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Speaker 8: according to police. For now, police say.
27:14
Speaker 14: There is no sign a foul play.
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Speaker 1: No evidence of foul play. Well, maybe this will jog
27:20
Speaker 1: the police into action. A fire erupts. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at WCVB.
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Speaker 14: Police say she wasn't reported missing until Wednesday.
27:30
Speaker 2: She does work in DC.
27:31
Speaker 14: And it's not abnormal for her to.
27:35
Speaker 10: You know, work long hours in not.
27:38
Speaker 14: Contact the home investigators say her phone's been off since
27:41
Speaker 14: Sunday and there's no evidence her credit cards have been used,
27:45
Speaker 14: and the fire at the family's former home only adds
27:48
Speaker 14: to the mystery.
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Speaker 7: We're going to look at everything here, you know, very
27:52
Speaker 7: strange coincidence.
27:53
Speaker 1: Straight back out to veteran trial while or Philip Holloway,
27:57
Speaker 1: While police say no evidence of foul play, now a
28:01
Speaker 1: fire breaks out at the home.
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Speaker 2: They just moved out of.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe you actually believe in coincidences in criminal law, Phip, No.
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Speaker 7: Not particularly not in this case. Listen, I think that
28:11
Speaker 7: there's certainly circumstantial evidence that can be interpreted as signs
28:15
Speaker 7: of foul play.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 7: Look, not reporting her missing for a couple of days
28:19
Speaker 7: in and of itself is problematic, and when you add
28:22
Speaker 7: it to all the other pieces of circumstantial evidence, such
28:26
Speaker 7: as leaving the house to buy cleaning supplies and the
28:29
Speaker 7: internet searches and finding the items in the basement.
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Speaker 1: So not only do we have a fire breaking out
28:35
Speaker 1: at their former home, the picture becomes more bleak.
28:41
Speaker 2: Take a listener, friends at WBTS.
28:45
Speaker 15: More bags being brought out of the gohase at home
28:47
Speaker 15: where missing mom on A Walsh and her family live,
28:50
Speaker 15: just a day after investigators said they wrapped up their
28:52
Speaker 15: search for evidence. Their evidence that included the discovery of
28:56
Speaker 15: blood and a bloody knife in the basement. New video
28:59
Speaker 15: obtained by ABC ten Boston shows Brian Walsh just one
29:02
Speaker 15: day after his wife was last seen on security cameras
29:05
Speaker 15: at Press, Juice Bar and Norwal. Meanwhile, the NBC ten
29:08
Speaker 15: investigators have learned a hacksaw and bloody towels were found
29:12
Speaker 15: during the search of the transfer station in Pebty and
29:14
Speaker 15: the dumpsters at the Swamscott department complex where Brian Walsh's
29:18
Speaker 15: mother lives.
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Speaker 1: To day, think Kennedy joining us the New York Post,
29:21
Speaker 1: I guess that changed the course of the investigation.
29:24
Speaker 2: What exactly what evidence has been found so far and
29:28
Speaker 2: where I.
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Speaker 5: Think there's there's some confusion about that. Early on, investigators
29:34
Speaker 5: went north of Boston to a place called peebd to
29:36
Speaker 5: a transfer station. There they found some material that initially
29:41
Speaker 5: was called evidence or remained and I don't think it's
29:43
Speaker 5: been specifically outlined at all yet. I don't think they
29:48
Speaker 5: I mean, they found I believe a bloody knife in
29:51
Speaker 5: the in the basement, So a.
29:53
Speaker 1: Bloody knife and I believe the knife had been broken
29:58
Speaker 1: to some degree and some blood in the family home.
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Speaker 1: Not the former home that was burned down, but the
30:06
Speaker 1: family home where Anna was living with her three boys
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Speaker 1: and husband.
30:10
Speaker 2: And there's more. Listen to NBC TAN.
30:14
Speaker 16: Boston police have been collecting surveillance video from several places
30:18
Speaker 16: Brian Walsh visited after his wife's disappearance. That includes walking
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Speaker 16: by this dumpster at a liquor store in Swampscott So trying.
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Speaker 2: To figure out what exactly happened.
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Speaker 17: Doctor Anne Marie Myers used to work at the Medical
30:31
Speaker 17: Examiner's office and now teaches forensic criminology at Anna Maria College.
30:35
Speaker 17: She says authorities will fast track everything they have through
30:39
Speaker 17: the lab, including the hacksaw and the bloody knife, but
30:42
Speaker 17: some of the details could make.
30:44
Speaker 2: The police work difficult.
30:46
Speaker 18: There's an indication that there's been some sort of perhaps
30:50
Speaker 18: dismembering of the body and then disposal echoes. Many cases
30:55
Speaker 18: that I was involved in where the police were never
30:58
Speaker 18: able to find human remains.
31:01
Speaker 1: Ross Garner is joining me for as a consultant. Ross
31:05
Speaker 1: what does a broken knife mean to you?
31:09
Speaker 10: Well, it's unclearest, is it's broken or it's damaged.
31:13
Speaker 6: But that would not be.
31:16
Speaker 10: Unexpected either through if he used a knife during the
31:22
Speaker 10: course of the assault or in the course of dismembering.
31:26
Speaker 10: Dis memories. No an easy task. I think what's more
31:30
Speaker 10: important at this point will be the DNA and they're
31:35
Speaker 10: going to have to correlate the knife and those bloodstains
31:38
Speaker 10: that they found specifically in the basement back to Anna
31:43
Speaker 10: and then of course, in that sense there's some belief
31:47
Speaker 10: that he may have cleaned up the scene. We could
31:52
Speaker 10: have high expectation that they're doing additional.
31:58
Speaker 7: Work such as LCV.
31:59
Speaker 10: Or alumino trying to enhance any cleanup activity, because that'll
32:04
Speaker 10: give you a better sense for you know, is this
32:08
Speaker 10: just a couple of tiny little bloodstains or was there
32:10
Speaker 10: a large volume of flood here.
32:18
Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Civil lawsuit or no civil lawsuit, there is a murder
32:27
Speaker 1: case to be tried. These are the facts we know of.
32:30
Speaker 2: Now, what can.
32:32
Speaker 1: You tell me, Dannae Kennedy about a four hundred and
32:35
Speaker 1: fifty dollars bill at home depot.
32:38
Speaker 5: Well, when they found the receipt for this there it
32:43
Speaker 5: was cleaning supplies and I believe there might have been
32:47
Speaker 5: some rope found. But again pretty suspicious considering his wife
32:54
Speaker 5: is missing.
32:54
Speaker 1: I've got Tom Moss tart quickly buckets, various types of
33:01
Speaker 1: tape and cleaning supplies, all from the.
33:05
Speaker 2: Rockland home Depot.
33:08
Speaker 1: And you know what I love Philip Holloway about Home Depot.
33:11
Speaker 1: Much like Target, they have excellent surveillance video. I will
33:16
Speaker 1: never forget. I believe it was Target where top mom
33:20
Speaker 1: Casey Anthony went while her daughter Kelly was missing.
33:26
Speaker 2: There she was in her push up bra buying.
33:28
Speaker 1: Beer and all sorts of party stuff using somebody else's check.
33:35
Speaker 1: By the way, while her daughter was missing, she was
33:39
Speaker 1: not the least bit upset. And I guarantee you there's
33:43
Speaker 1: going to be home Depot surveillance video of the husband,
33:47
Speaker 1: Brian Walsh, buying all of his cleaning supplies.
33:51
Speaker 2: And not only will they find.
33:53
Speaker 1: Forensically, as they've already stated, a bloody knife and some
33:57
Speaker 1: blood in the basement, there could be, Tracey says, of
34:00
Speaker 1: that cleaning supply in the home. A luminol catches so
34:06
Speaker 1: much that the naked eye misses any blood spatter, any smudge,
34:12
Speaker 1: any transfer, anything on the wall or the ceiling. A
34:16
Speaker 1: lot of times when defendants murder someone, they forget to
34:19
Speaker 1: look up at the ceiling.
34:21
Speaker 2: That's a big booboo, Philip poll Away, Yeah.
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Speaker 7: It is. And I can't think of an innocent reason
34:27
Speaker 7: for him to be at the home depot at that time,
34:30
Speaker 7: in violation of his bond, by the way, purchasing four
34:34
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty dollars worth of cleaning supplies if it's
34:36
Speaker 7: not something that he normally does, and there's no information
34:39
Speaker 7: that that is part of this regular routine. So it's
34:42
Speaker 7: just one more brick in the wall when you add
34:44
Speaker 7: it together with all the other circumstantial evidence. And by
34:47
Speaker 7: the way, speaking of the hack saw, can you imagine
34:50
Speaker 7: any worse thing to be out there involved in a
34:56
Speaker 7: case like this? If there's a hacksaw involved, that just
34:59
Speaker 7: sends the mind into thinking the absolute worst and most
35:04
Speaker 7: horrifying of outcomes in this case.
35:06
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you dand Kennedy New York Post,
35:09
Speaker 1: It's not like Con Dexter, where the whole floor in
35:14
Speaker 1: the walls are encased in plastic and then he dismembers
35:18
Speaker 1: the bad guy and then just kind of thows it
35:20
Speaker 1: all up and you never find any blood spatter at all.
35:24
Speaker 2: It's not like that at all. It's an arduous task.
35:27
Speaker 1: It's very hard to dismember someone, and you always leave
35:31
Speaker 1: behind blood. Plus you've got to get blood off that hack.
35:34
Speaker 1: So I'll trace back to Anna if that's in fact.
35:37
Speaker 2: True, that's right.
35:38
Speaker 5: That's it all so incredibly grizzly. And I don't know
35:41
Speaker 5: how an everyday average guy, which is what Brian Walsh was,
35:45
Speaker 5: could even figure out how to saw limbs off. I
35:48
Speaker 5: don't think I could.
35:49
Speaker 1: And there's more, guys, take a listen to our friend
35:52
Speaker 1: Julianne Lima, Boston twenty five.
35:54
Speaker 19: We did confirm through sources that investigators did in fact
35:57
Speaker 19: find evidence in that dumpster that is connected to Ona
36:00
Speaker 19: Walsh's disappearance. Now, they searched the dumpster here in PBT
36:03
Speaker 19: for hours last night. State and local police sources also
36:07
Speaker 19: telling us police tot that shumpster from Brian Walsh's mother's
36:10
Speaker 19: apartment complex in Swampscot. We spoke to people who live
36:14
Speaker 19: in that complex who were horrified to learn of what
36:16
Speaker 19: may have been put in their trash.
36:19
Speaker 20: And the one in Maya is automatic when you close
36:22
Speaker 20: the door. It compacts verything to think about that, because
36:26
Speaker 20: God forbid, if somebody put something in that compact would compact.
36:31
Speaker 2: It back to you, Danna Kennedy.
36:33
Speaker 1: We are just learning that Ana Walsh a thirty nine
36:37
Speaker 1: was planning for the future, selling off assets to reinvest
36:41
Speaker 1: in real estate before she vanished on New Year's Day.
36:45
Speaker 2: What if anything do we know about that, Well, we.
36:48
Speaker 5: Know information about her plans for the future when it
36:52
Speaker 5: came to her business from some tenants that she had
36:56
Speaker 5: in Revere, which is north of Boston, a seaside town, and.
37:00
Speaker 6: These tenants had been with her for.
37:01
Speaker 5: A while and considered her a friend. I believe they
37:04
Speaker 5: knew her for seven years, and they were shocked when
37:06
Speaker 5: about a month ago, she said, oh, you guys have
37:09
Speaker 5: to get out, I'm selling it. And when they sort
37:12
Speaker 5: of acted like, well, can we have some more time,
37:15
Speaker 5: they said, her whole demeanor changed in a way they'd
37:17
Speaker 5: never seen before. She was pushy, they said, not very nice,
37:22
Speaker 5: had a bit of a melt down over it, and
37:23
Speaker 5: they were shocked. But then another source told Fox News
37:28
Speaker 5: that it was normal for someone who's in like sort
37:31
Speaker 5: of low level real estate investment to flip and put
37:35
Speaker 5: that money into another investment, which sounds.
37:38
Speaker 2: Like she did.
37:39
Speaker 5: Because it was sold that Revere Beach home prior to
37:42
Speaker 5: her disappearance.
37:44
Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Dana about some fake Andy
37:48
Speaker 1: Warhol paintings.
37:49
Speaker 5: Brian Walsh bought them from an LA gallery dealer who
37:53
Speaker 5: believed it and it wasn't until later that he found
37:56
Speaker 5: out they were completely fake, and Brian Waller was later
38:01
Speaker 5: arrested in connection with art fraud. That's why he was
38:05
Speaker 5: living in cohabit with an ankle monitor.
38:07
Speaker 1: So Brian had an art fraud conviction and was forced
38:14
Speaker 1: by the court to stay at home. But aside from
38:18
Speaker 1: the art fraud, this to me is much more troubling.
38:25
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twenty one our friend
38:27
Speaker 1: Bob Ward.
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Speaker 9: On social media missing cohaz It mom Anna Walsh portrayed
38:32
Speaker 9: a glamorous, happy life with her husband, Brian Walsh, but
38:35
Speaker 9: a police report revealed deep trouble even before Anna and
38:39
Speaker 9: Brian were even engaged.
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Speaker 2: According to this public incident report, Anna Knipp.
38:43
Speaker 9: Her maiden name, told DC Metro police that Brian Walsh
38:47
Speaker 9: quote made a statement over the telephone that he was
38:50
Speaker 9: going to kill her and her friends. She added, Brian
38:53
Speaker 9: now lives in Boston, Massachusetts. Brian Walsh is not named
38:57
Speaker 9: in the report, but my sources indicate the suspect is
39:00
Speaker 9: Brian Walsh. The report list the potential offense as felony threats,
39:05
Speaker 9: but Anna never cooperated with DC Metro Police. Brian Walsh
39:09
Speaker 9: was never charged and the case was closed.
39:11
Speaker 1: And not only was that case closed, she then went
39:15
Speaker 1: on to marry him. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Can you make
39:18
Speaker 1: sense of that?
39:19
Speaker 6: Well, yes, absolutely I can, Nancy, Because even the most
39:22
Speaker 6: abusive of relationships always start out with an attachment, right.
39:26
Speaker 6: Two people love each other, they want to be together,
39:29
Speaker 6: and according to a cultural anthropologist Helen Fisher, there's an
39:34
Speaker 6: idealization between the couple that lasts for like seven to
39:38
Speaker 6: fifteen months, where they just see each other as perfect
39:41
Speaker 6: and as a person who's going to take care of
39:44
Speaker 6: all their own unmet needs. And it's not until that
39:47
Speaker 6: initial idealization wears off they start to see the true
39:51
Speaker 6: character of the other person. And then, more specifically, with
39:55
Speaker 6: women who are abused, there's kind of a crisis of
39:58
Speaker 6: boundaries where when the man is a use of toxic
40:01
Speaker 6: in this case, homicidal, the woman thinks, Oh, it's my fault.
40:05
Speaker 6: I went to DC, I made him jealous, I posted
40:08
Speaker 6: all these pictures, I shouldn't have done it, and she
40:11
Speaker 6: could have blamed herself, which would then have paved the
40:14
Speaker 6: way for the sort of matching thought with her a viie, Well,
40:19
Speaker 6: it's my fault. I have to fix it, and now
40:21
Speaker 6: I just have to go back home and make things better.
40:24
Speaker 1: Take a listen also to what our friend Lawrence Jones
40:28
Speaker 1: from Fox Knees and Our Cut thirteen has learned.
40:31
Speaker 3: What do you know about Brian?
40:35
Speaker 21: Unfortunately not much, because every time when we would have
40:38
Speaker 21: a conversation about Brian, it would be switched to children
40:41
Speaker 21: or brushed off.
40:42
Speaker 3: So we what do you mean brushed off the conversation though, literally.
40:47
Speaker 21: Switching the subject. So and I said, and if there
40:52
Speaker 21: is anything, come you know it's it's okay, And she said,
40:56
Speaker 21: everything is fine and more her husband Brian.
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Speaker 3: There's no picture policy. I mean, it's even hard to
41:03
Speaker 3: find pictures of her out there when we want to
41:06
Speaker 3: remember her her life and try to get answers for her.
41:09
Speaker 3: If y'all hear anything about that, does that surprise you?
41:12
Speaker 3: There's no picture policy.
41:15
Speaker 21: Hard to say she was hiding, truly, but the absence
41:18
Speaker 21: of him. I understand that even in New Year's Eve,
41:22
Speaker 21: my friend said that he would not even take personal
41:25
Speaker 21: photos for between friends that he was missing on the photos,
41:28
Speaker 21: and during the New Year's that he would take pictures
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Speaker 21: of everybody else but not of himself. So there must
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Speaker 21: be some reasons for it. I don't want to speculate
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Speaker 21: what the reason, but it.
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Speaker 1: Is I no picture policy. Dana Kennedy from the New
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Speaker 1: York Post. There's one very important picture out there right now.
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Speaker 1: He has mudshot. He apparently lied to police and he's
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Speaker 1: been charged with in impeding the investigation stating he took
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Speaker 1: his sons for ice cream, when in fact that's not true.
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Speaker 5: No, it's not true at all. There doesn't seem to
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Speaker 5: be any thing really valid that he has said so far.
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Speaker 5: And if I agree with a lot of what doctor
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Speaker 5: Bethany said in principle, but I think it's very strange
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Speaker 5: still to file a police report or make a police
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Speaker 5: report saying this guy was going to kill you, and
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Speaker 5: then marry him a year later and not have not one,
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Speaker 5: but three children, and then leave them essentially with a
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Speaker 5: guy who she knew had been convicted of a crime.
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Speaker 5: I have a vibe that she wasn't just the sweet,
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Speaker 5: loving mother that you that we see. Listen I'm sorry
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Speaker 5: if she's been murdered, obviously, but I think she was
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Speaker 5: kind of a complicated person. I think it's very odd
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Speaker 5: to go ahead and marry a guy like that and
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Speaker 5: have three kids and then leave the kids with him
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Speaker 5: during the week.
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Speaker 1: Civil lawsuits are all about someone suing for money. I'm
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Speaker 1: interested in someone going to jail for life for the
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Speaker 1: murder of Anna Walsh.
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Speaker 2: Will will that be Brian Walsh? He says he's innocent.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false goodbye friend,