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  Speaker 1: She had managed to steal a significant chunk of inventory
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  Speaker 1: and then fall asleep in the storage area.
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  Speaker 2: Very quickly realized that he could not cook.
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  Speaker 3: I could rarely get more than three or four consistent
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  Speaker 3: hours of work from them before they disengaged and returned
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  Speaker 3: to their desk.
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  Speaker 4: I had a name. who supposedly was with the university
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  Speaker 4: and was verifying the transcripts. That person didn't exist.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 6: This is The Bad Hire, the show with the best
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  Speaker 6: stories about the worst employees.
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  Speaker 7: We fired him, of course. People are crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's like an HR nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Right? One bad hire stole all of it.
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  Speaker 7: Crazy stuff. She got what she deserved.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: I'm your host, Ken Monroe, and every week we dive
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  Speaker 6: into real-life stories From the wild world of work and
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  Speaker 6: what can happen when the wrong person gets the job.
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  Speaker 1: These stories aren't just crazy.
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  Speaker 6: They're cautionary tales about lessons learned the hard way.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Bad Hire, the show
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  Speaker 1: where the best stories about the worst employees happens.
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  Speaker 7: I did it just like you like it every time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm back today. Nathan, what's up?
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 6: Hey.
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  Speaker 5: Hey.
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  Speaker 7: How are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 7: Hanging out. It's been a rough day. We've been trying
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  Speaker 7: to get live on TikTok. Yeah, this has been. We
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  Speaker 7: didn't have enough followers. No, we are live on TikTok.
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  Speaker 7: We were supposed to start filming an hour ago. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: it's 10.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Right now.
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  Speaker 7: We're supposed to start at 9.15.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we're 45 minutes late. I love it.
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  Speaker 7: Something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a little bit late.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 7: An hour and 15. A little bit over.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is it that long? Yeah. Oh, you're saying we
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  Speaker 1: were supposed to.
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  Speaker 7: Marcus slowed us down. No, I'm just kidding. Marcus is
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  Speaker 7: on the mic today. Say what's up, Marcus.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Let's go ahead. Okay, nice. He's over
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  Speaker 1: there somewhere.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 6: All right, guys.
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  Speaker 1: You know the drill. We dive into the wildest, weirdest, like,
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  Speaker 1: jaw-dropping stories. You know, like, I don't know, first-day flame-outs,
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  Speaker 1: OG blow-ups.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of those.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of blow-ups. Interview crashes. You know, from offices,
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  Speaker 1: job sites. wherever. And, um, we love to hear these, uh,
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  Speaker 1: great hiring stories, uh, and when they, when they go bad.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what the bad hires about. We love to
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  Speaker 1: hear it.
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  Speaker 7: We'd love to hear when they go bad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: All bad stories.
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  Speaker 1: The reality is we love it when they're good.
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  Speaker 7: And it's not as part of a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It's not as fun.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, and don't forget, we're running a $ 10, 000 contest, um,
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  Speaker 1: to win 10,000 bucks. You can, uh, Submit your story
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  Speaker 1: at thebadhire.com. Submit it in. We're going to take it
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the year. We'll take a look
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  Speaker 1: at all the best stories we told all year. There'll
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  Speaker 1: be a big vote. I'm sure these people will argue
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  Speaker 1: back and forth and decide who to give $ 10, 000 to. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: We're reading one of the submitted stories today.
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  Speaker 1: We are.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's Emma's story for the day.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you want me to say one that's not.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you to say anything specific.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like you don't want me to say.
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  Speaker 1: The deal is you remember about all of them.
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  Speaker 3: I do, but I feel like you don't want me
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  Speaker 3: to say one that ended up very bad.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I don't want you to.
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  Speaker 3: And that's probably one I won't take.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: But I did like the submitted one we got that
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  Speaker 3: one time it was super long about the guy that
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  Speaker 3: kept calling and was like, I can't find the place
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  Speaker 3: even though he was just there for orientation.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they was going back and forth on the phone
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  Speaker 3: all day. And then by like three o'clock, they're like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what? Just don't even come in today. Just
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  Speaker 3: come in tomorrow. And then they ended up firing him.
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  Speaker 3: And then like 15 minutes later, he reapplied online.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that one? That was one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite ones.
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  Speaker 7: She's got the social clips. So you watch the stories
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  Speaker 7: like over and over again. So it's not like, well, okay,
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  Speaker 7: maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really do that. I just remember them.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that'd be.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So let me get started. So I run a bookstore.
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  Speaker 1: And every fall, we set up one of those seasonal
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  Speaker 1: calendar kiosks at the other end of the shopping center.
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  Speaker 1: Straightforward gig. Stand there. Answer questions. Sell calendars. That's it.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I needed someone to run it, so I hired a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Let's call her Mary. I love how that was said.
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  Speaker 1: Let's call her Mary. Let's call her Mary. She came
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  Speaker 1: in for her morning training. Seemed totally fine.
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  Speaker 3: Normal.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing that would make you think twice about anything about her. So,
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  Speaker 1: I got her set up, walked her through everything, and
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  Speaker 1: let her go to it. You know, I had stuff
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  Speaker 1: to handle on my end of the mall. About an
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  Speaker 1: hour later, I head back over to check in. And
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  Speaker 1: I stop.
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  Speaker 7: And I stop in the entrance because something is immediately wrong.
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  Speaker 1: About half the display is empty. Whole sections of calendars
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  Speaker 1: are just gone. And Mary is nowhere in sight. All right.
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  Speaker 1: I check behind the kiosk. We use curtains to hide
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  Speaker 1: the backstop, the backstock. And behind the curtains, Mary's asleep.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 7: On the floor? On her first day? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I stood there for a solid 10 seconds just trying
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  Speaker 1: to process what I was looking at. She had been
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  Speaker 1: on the job for less than a morning, really less
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  Speaker 1: than an hour.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And in that time, she had managed to steal a
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  Speaker 1: significant chunk of inventory and then fall asleep in the
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  Speaker 1: storage area.
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  Speaker 7: So she stole and then just fell asleep right there?
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  Speaker 1: What did she steal? What did she do with it?
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  Speaker 3: Wait, she stole or she let other people steal because
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  Speaker 3: she was sleeping?
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  Speaker 1: He said she managed to steal. How did they display this?
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  Speaker 7: How did they manage to get things stolen?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: But anyway, half the shelf is gone.
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  Speaker 1: I said her name. She woke up.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We had a conversation.
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  Speaker 7: It was a brief conversation. Wake up, Mary. So she
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  Speaker 7: stole half the stuff from the display, put it in
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  Speaker 7: her backpack.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You would think like new job vibe would give you
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  Speaker 1: that adrenaline dump. You know, it's like new job.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Rock on. You know, I could stay awake for an hour.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe she's like, I finally got my job. Time to
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  Speaker 7: just coast.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's not very busy right now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Quick nap.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 7: I just can't imagine that. Also, I'm lost with the
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  Speaker 7: stealing part. She stole?
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  Speaker 3: I really think they just meant people stole while she
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  Speaker 3: was asleep. Why would she just wipe out the counter
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  Speaker 3: and then knock out on the floor?
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  Speaker 7: I just took a nap.
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  Speaker 1: I just stole everything, but I wanted a nap before
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  Speaker 1: I left because a getaway is going to be great.
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  Speaker 7: You're about to go fast.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: All good signs flame out on the first hour.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, those are the best stories. Well, the worst stories
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  Speaker 8: when they just don't last one day.
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  Speaker 1: We got a clip from Jeremy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is Jeremy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and let's see what Jeremy's up to.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We weren't just looking for any candidate for these kinds
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  Speaker 4: of roles. We had very specific qualifications, specific competencies. And
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  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, this role had to become one of
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  Speaker 4: those white whale scenarios for us. It's like, where are
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  Speaker 4: we going to find this person, right, to be able
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  Speaker 4: to fit all this criteria? So now I remind you,
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  Speaker 4: this was a different era of recruiting. So We were
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  Speaker 4: about a month or two in into this new recruiting
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  Speaker 4: that I was doing with all that. And I found her.
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  Speaker 4: I found that candidate who checked every box. But here's
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  Speaker 4: really where the story takes a turn. As part of
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  Speaker 4: our background checking for management trainees, candidates, we required them
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  Speaker 4: to submit certified collegiate transcripts. So I asked those and
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  Speaker 4: she sent them to me. And when I looked at them,
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  Speaker 4: it didn't look like other transcripts that.
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  Speaker 1: I had seen.
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  Speaker 4: There was no certification seal, no official stamp, none of
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  Speaker 4: those kind of things. At this point, I don't have
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  Speaker 4: any proof of anything. I don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: I just have a feeling. So what I did was
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  Speaker 4: I called her, I asked her some follow-up questions, tried
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  Speaker 4: to give her the benefit of the doubt. And she said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'll have someone from the university give you
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  Speaker 4: a call and they can verify the transcripts. And I said,
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  Speaker 4: all right, awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Sounds good to me. So the university
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  Speaker 1: called you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had my people call your people.
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  Speaker 4: They verified everything on the transcripts, call ended, boom, I
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  Speaker 4: was done. After that call, I still didn't feel right.
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  Speaker 4: Like there was still something there. So I picked up
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  Speaker 4: the phone myself and I called the school. When I
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  Speaker 4: got to the right people, I asked them about the
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  Speaker 4: person who had called me. I had a name who
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  Speaker 4: supposedly was with the university and was verifying the transcripts.
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  Speaker 4: That person didn't exist.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 7: Imagine if he had just hit callback. So he said,
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  Speaker 7: looked up the phone, he just hit his callback.
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  Speaker 1: He got Andrew's phone, he's like, yo.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm wondering is, did this person think that they
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  Speaker 3: would forget that the university was supposed to call them
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  Speaker 3: and then just, like, let it slide? Or they were
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  Speaker 3: just going to have, like, a fake person call them?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure that's what he did. So I talked to...
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  Speaker 1: Is that a buddy call?
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  Speaker 3: That's just a lot of work.
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  Speaker 7: You're talking to him, right?
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  Speaker 8: I talked to Jeremy, and it was just, like, one
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  Speaker 8: of his buddies or his mom or something like that.
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  Speaker 7: Or a family member.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 8: So that was who, so he's like, oh, I'll have
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  Speaker 8: the university call you. And then he just had like
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  Speaker 8: his buddy Frank give him a call.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: And just pretend.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like a lot of work.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe it was like his mom and there's like a
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  Speaker 8: picture of the candidate in the background of the call.
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  Speaker 1: He designed some transcripts that clearly he'd never seen one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: It's just a piece of paper and said like i
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  Speaker 8: went to this university that was it.
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  Speaker 5: I am not a robot a math yay yeah college
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  Speaker 5: check mark interesting so at least he's got some good
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  Speaker 5: friends to help bail him out or good family members
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  Speaker 5: to try and bail him out and get him.
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  Speaker 1: A job yeah I got you, man. I'll cover you.
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  Speaker 7: That's why I need the employment verification.
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  Speaker 1: There's probably some moms out there that would do that.
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  Speaker 7: There's been a couple of those.
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  Speaker 8: I feel like there's been a couple of moms involved
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  Speaker 8: with the hiring processes and the stories we've had.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right.
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  Speaker 7: I got my story. I got a couple. I got one,
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  Speaker 7: and then I think we're reacting to another clip.
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  Speaker 1: So, okay.
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  Speaker 8: We brought on a new hire. It's her first day,
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  Speaker 8: and she comes in a little wound up at orientation,
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  Speaker 8: which I noticed... But honestly, some people are just nervous.
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  Speaker 8: It's a new place with new faces and I don't
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  Speaker 8: really read into it. We get through the morning and
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  Speaker 8: things seem fine. Then we're all in the break room
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  Speaker 8: together and she looks over the counter next to two
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  Speaker 8: large bags of Starbucks coffee beans that are sitting next
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  Speaker 8: to that machine. And she goes, what are those? And
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  Speaker 8: someone says, oh yeah, those are free, help yourself. Meaning like,
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  Speaker 8: you know, they're free to use to get a cup
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  Speaker 8: of coffee for yourself. So she nods, she walks over,
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  Speaker 8: she picks up both full bags of coffee beans and
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  Speaker 8: puts them in her purse, and walks out. So there
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  Speaker 8: goes the communal office coffee, the kind that would have
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  Speaker 8: been there every single morning for the rest of her
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  Speaker 8: time at the job. Someone came and found me almost
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  Speaker 8: immediately and said, she's put all the coffee in her
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  Speaker 8: bag and left.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm like, she what?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 7: So we let her go before the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know that that was that.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it.
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  Speaker 1: Was worth all that.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you worded that.
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  Speaker 3: It was definitely worth a conversation.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, no, it must be my turn.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe there are other red flags, but in the theft
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  Speaker 8: of coffee on the first day, these people really liked
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  Speaker 8: their coffee, so that was too far for them, so
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  Speaker 8: they let her go.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was enough that they didn't understand it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. I understand.
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  Speaker 8: It could have just been a funny story, like, hey, Sheila,
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  Speaker 8: remember when you stole those bags of coffee?
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  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, classic.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it was worth sending her home, but.
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  Speaker 7: Apparently, these people really like their coffee. So, yeah. It
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  Speaker 7: was just a big misunderstanding.
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  Speaker 3: Very stingy around here, I guess. I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that one's a little bit sad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we do the lunch for everybody. We've had
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  Speaker 1: some issues with, you know, we provide, like, factor lunches
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  Speaker 1: for everybody. If you want lunch, you can just grab one.
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  Speaker 7: So, people just dump it and have people, like.
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  Speaker 1: Show up in the morning, have two, show up at lunch,
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  Speaker 1: have two.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, before they leave, have two, then take
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  Speaker 1: some home.
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  Speaker 7: I'm having some people over tonight. Let me grab a
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  Speaker 7: couple of these.
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  Speaker 1: One person's like chugging through six to 10 a day,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. If you, you know, what I, what
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  Speaker 1: the word I put out was, if you, if you're
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  Speaker 1: having a hard time providing groceries at home, let us know.
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  Speaker 7: Come talk to me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, don't, don't take the, don't take that food.
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  Speaker 1: We'll work something.
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  Speaker 7: We'll get you some Starbucks bags. Just wear it away.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It helped, but you know, don't, don't wreck the, don't
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  Speaker 1: wreck the refrigerators for other people.
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  Speaker 7: That's funny.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What you got?
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  Speaker 7: You have Riverside coming up? Yeah, this is another person
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  Speaker 7: that I talked to.
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  Speaker 1: This is Sandra. She's great.
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  Speaker 7: I had a great conversation with her, and this is
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  Speaker 7: one of her stories.
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  Speaker 2: One that comes to mind that I think highlights a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the different things that anyone who sits in
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  Speaker 2: a hiring role, whether you're a recruiter or a hiring manager,
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  Speaker 2: tries to avoid is that candidate that interviews really, really
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  Speaker 2: well and says all the right things and gives off
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  Speaker 2: all the right vibes but then can't actually do the job.
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  Speaker 2: And so although we see this all the time, we
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  Speaker 2: hired a cook on the college campus that I worked at.
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  Speaker 2: We tiered off the cook level so that we can
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: compensate people with more advanced skills at a higher level.
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  Speaker 2: And so we had a cook one, which is more
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: entry level. A cook two can maybe take certain things
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  Speaker 2: and do them on repeat. And then the cook three
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: was the highest level skilled position where basically anything the
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: chef writes into the menu, you're supposed to be able
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: to cook. actually prepare yourself we hired a gentleman who
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: on paper was very qualified had served as a cook
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: in the armed forces for what he told us was
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: years and done all kinds of dishes and again just
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: great interview said all the right things we're excited because
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: it's hard to find good culinarians especially you know in
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: a place like ours where it's not big city lots
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: of numbers to pull from and you very quickly realized
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: that he could not cook when he was not able
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  Speaker 2: to make scrambled eggs for breakfast on day one after
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: his training. You know, no matter how we tried to
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: spin it, like, well, maybe they didn't eat breakfast in
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: the armed forces. It was just, we had to do
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: some introspection of, you know, as much as we want
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: to place blame on this candidate, there are some systematic
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: failures on our end where we're We did not actually
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: verify his technical skills more than we were impressed by.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: Dang.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. Verifying the technical skills. Never thought about that.
• 14:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah. In culinary.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: You're like, here, take this test for Excel.
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: Take this for whatever. Sometimes you've got to get in
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: the kitchen and get some food. Hey, bro, I need
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: you to make me some eggs.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: It's like, eggs? How do you make scrambled eggs? I
• 15:13
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like I see it. I mean, I can see,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: you know, when you go to like a nice restaurant,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: especially in like hotels, they always do such a great
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: job at nice hotels.
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: There's something about the way they cook their eggs. Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: It's just real.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean, it's not like at home
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: where it's dry. But it sounds like you didn't know
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: how to just make any kind of scrambled eggs.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: I feel like that's like, there's like toast, Hot Pockets.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: I think there's an art to making a scrambled egg.
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: A good kind, for sure.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: If you made it like you do at home, you're like, eh.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be, remember, I'm going to be paying
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: $ 18 for these two scrambled eggs.
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: That's true.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: I'd expect them to, you know.
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: The Gordon Ramsay style has like the butter and all
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: that kind of stuff.
• 15:55
  Speaker 8: I don't know. But it is interesting. Like, how do
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: you verify stuff for that kind of job? Because I
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: feel like we always talk about, background checks and job
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: interviews and you think okay somebody's saying an office but
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: it's like okay you need to verify the skills for
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: cook jobs and chef jobs and like yeah on on
• 16:13
  Speaker 8: site jobs and things like that it's like you need
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: to i had that job before so verify the skill
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: somehow yeah all.
• 16:19
  Speaker 7: Right emma what's up okay.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Let me scroll that was what i have to scroll
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: okay i This is a story that was submitted to us.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, nice.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: They wanted to stay anonymous, so I won't be saying.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Who it is. Keep this anonymous, Marcus. Was it you?
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: No.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: It was not Marcus. All right. A few years ago,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: when I was working at a very small biotech startup,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I hired a lab assistant. The role was straightforward, basic
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: bench work, inventory management, and general lab upkeep. We found
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: a candidate with an impressive resume, strong, relevant coursework, and
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: a master's degree, so we brought them on. Like many
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: small startups, we didn't have HR, so all hiring and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: performance evaluation fell on me. Not me, but the person
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: that submitted the story.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You submitted the story. Not me.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: On their first day, they disclosed that they were neurodivergent
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: and proceeded to sit at their computer for the remainder
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: of the day. The neurodivergence was definitely not an issue,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: but the job required activity on the lab floor. Benchwork
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: isn't strenuous, but it is hands-on and requires being physically present.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: From the start, I had to repeatedly prompt them to
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: step away from their desk and engage in training. Any
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: task I assigned would be completed as quickly and poorly
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: as possible, followed by an immediate return to the computer.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: At first, I assumed this was a communication issue, so
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I focused on building more structure and support. I created
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: an improvement plan with a daily schedule, step-by-step written instructions
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and tasks broken into hourly time blocks. Despite these efforts,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I could rarely get more than three or four consistent
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: hours of work from them before they disengaged and returned
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: to their desk. There were also gaps in Microsoft Office skills,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: such as Excel, which made all of the computer time
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: even more difficult to account for. Well, early on, I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: realized they were working a side job during work hours.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I addressed this directly, explaining that this wasn't an appropriate
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: use of company time. Their response was that they had
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: nothing to do, quote unquote, despite having responsibilities assigned by
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the hour. On another occasion, they stepped away from their
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: computer and left explicit fan fiction visible on their screen.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, jeez.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I nearly lost my mind. I followed up with a
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: firm professional email and a serious face-to-face conversation, but by
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: then I was already burned out from trying to do
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: both my job and theirs with very little guidance. Eventually,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: we got acquired, and I jumped ship for another company.
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: Oh, wow.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: The new hire was eventually terminated when my former coworkers
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: realized there was no amount of structure that could salvage
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: this person's performance.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Yikes.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: A very hard lesson for me on paying attention to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: job fit, at least as much, if not more than,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: S qualifications.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: That's tough. Okay.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: That kind of got worse and worse.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Help me out here, because I have no idea, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I hope this is not bad.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: What is neurodivergent?
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Neurodivergence is like an umbrella term for somebody that has
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: the same qualities of somebody with like autism or ADHD
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: or something like that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So it's some type of spectrum.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Yes. Is it? Okay.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: So I'm just saying, yeah, for the sake of generalizing,
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: it's somebody.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Potentially on the spectrum. Potentially. Yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: So it's a part of it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: But.
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: It sounds like there's skill issues and things like that
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: at the start, but it's also just poor behavior too,
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: which is difficult.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes something really more complicated.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: When you're just trying to.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Deal with, you know, how do I accommodate in best situations?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: get the best work out of this person, you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that's neurodivergent or got this on the spectrum somehow. And
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: which of this is just bad behavior? You're like, you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: reading– Or even erotic fan fiction.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: It's a little different than not knowing how to use
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: Excel well.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. What's crazy is that she stuck
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: with it. She ended up leaving before the person did. Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: That's what's crazy about some of these stories is that
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: some of them are like the Starbucks bags where it's
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: like people are like fired like that. Like, something kind
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: of small, like, oh, yeah, we fired them on the
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: first date. Like, that's kind of extreme. And then sometimes, like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: there's a lot that people go through and they, like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: are never let go. It kind of depends on the person,
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: the organization, and things, like, how much people are willing
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: to put up with and be patient through and things
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: like that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the story from a couple weeks ago
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: where it was the girl was so sweet? Yeah. She's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: just like, yes. Do you remember the story?
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: It was a segment, and she was talking about how
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: this guy.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Is this the guy that didn't show up? Is that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the same story?
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: One of the ones we reacted to?
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: He followed up a lot during the interview process. But
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: then when it was time for him to be hired,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: he just never showed up. But he went and started
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: his own company.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He just kept trying to renegotiate. Maybe I should be hired. Maybe,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you know. Oh, yeah. I just remember how.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about, you know, as a recruiter,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: just how invested they get in this. You know, they've
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: been through an entire process. And you finally find the person.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It's almost like, you know, sometimes you get embarrassed for
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: other people. Like you're embarrassed and you're also... I think
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that must... You know, there's certainly amount of frustration and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes probably embarrassment. Well, especially if somebody just lets you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: down after you've done– put all the work in to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: do the recruiting.
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: Well, especially in recruiting because as a recruiter, you're essentially
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: like a professional.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Like you're vouching for this person.
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: Like you're like, hey, to the other people you're hiring for,
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: whether it's you're an outside recruiter or like a recruiter
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: for your own company. You're like, hey, I found this person.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: Let me vouch for them. They're going to be a
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: really good fit. And they have all these skills. They're
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: exactly what you're looking for. You're putting yourself out there.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: So then when it doesn't work out, it makes you
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: look extra bad. So that's why it's extra fresh. Another
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: thing that struck out to me during the story is
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: listening to her describe what this job did.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm always impressed by recruiters, especially when they get specialties
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: or in some organizations where maybe they're hiring engineers, right?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And pretty soon, I mean, they know about engineering. I mean,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: they could– They can dig into the skills of an engineer.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: They know how to identify whether one's being honest or not. Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: You know, they develop a real skill around that. And
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: that's probably super valuable. Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: But wow.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: She bolted. Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: It's tough.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Some real life stuff there.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, well, I think that's it. Is that it? Is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that it?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I have another short one. I can save it for
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: next time. Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Do you want to do it or not?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I can save it for next time.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: All right. Rock on. You do what you want.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: We have plenty of stories.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:47
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• 22:49
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