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Talks to Mark Rawlins about his choice of Visions of Utromu · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Oh, welcome back to A Hamster with a Blunt Knife, the Doctor
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  Who Commentary Podcast, where today we are back in the realms
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  of fan films to watch the second of the amazing Barbara Benedetti
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  Doctor Who stories. And we've just watched a fan
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  review video of this fan film and he said it was very hard to
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  get through. It just goes to prove don't
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  listen to what you hear. Don't believe answers,
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  especially. So this is the, as I say, the
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  second one, Visions of Otumu. I'll tell you what, I've been
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  having terrible visions lately. Visions of Otumu.
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  So if you want to join us and or give this a watch before you
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  listen now, search on YouTube for Doctor Who Visions of Otumu
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  UTOMU by Seattle International Films.
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  I would like to say I think in terms of production, this is
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  probably the weakest of the. Four, so the first one we'll
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  talk about if you listen to our our first commentary, that was
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  all done and. If not, why not?
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  This is all done studio on video.
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  Yeah. So we're a year later.
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  We're like 1985 now and it's still just as fun.
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  This is my favorite script though.
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  It's the best script. No, no, the last one's the
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  greatest script. It's the funniest script of the
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  four because it leans into the Doctor and Carl's relationship
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  the most and drags a load of comedy out of them, which is,
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  and I will do a bit of singing. I'm so sorry, OK?
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  Well, let's go into it, everybody.
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  So if you've got that up on YouTube, visions of A2.
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  A2 moves ready. And let's enjoy the second story
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  of Barbara. Brother Dirty.
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  Doctor My absolute favorite doctor in 321.
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  Right. Here we are.
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  So we've got the Seattle International Films logo.
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  So I think we we saw a trailer for the first one.
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  So they must have been premiered at at conventions.
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  All that's a bit loud. Here we are right into Barbara's
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  title sequence. More of a homemade title
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  sequence here. There was a a homemade star
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  field, and there she is, her face when she.
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  Comes along like William Hartnell's face at the end of
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  the Time Meddler. You know, and we have to say the
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  quality on YouTube isn't great. This is someone playing on a on
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  ATV that's filming it. So I really hope that these get
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  remastered. Please, we want the Barber box
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  set. But they're still watchable, so
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  please, if you can get past the picture quality.
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  Ryan K Johnson directed the first one.
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  Now he's right in this one, Yeah.
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  So this started off a bit different because we've got a
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  clip of Singing in the Rain, obviously, not to lie.
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  Yeah, but it's Karl, our favorite companion, chimney
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  sweep in the TARDIS, watching telly.
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  And obviously he's going to be fascinated by a Gene Kelly
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  musical Singing in the Rain. And this is where the TARDIS
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  interior, I mean it's blank walls with a pop plant, which is
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  the 80s. Now they've put Barbara in her
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  Romana sort of riding gear. Coach She.
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  Got the shoulder pads? But it's a bit big, isn't it now
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  sort of a bit bit puffy at the size it's.
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  Supposed that's supposed to the 80s.
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  Isn't it Palsy? Eating his snacks and watching
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  Singing in the Right now Gene Kelly and singing in the Ride is
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  very important to this. Script and the doctor's.
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  She's got a longer hair in this one, bit like Jon Pert where her
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  hair gets more and more both food as you go through.
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  Both food bouffant. What's wrong with you?
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  You can't say anything. Bumfu, she goes.
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  Like any doctor, your hair. Carl, she goes.
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  If you want to just sit there watching history, well, we could
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  be experiencing it. Let's go.
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  I'll make it up. She doesn't have anything like
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  that really. We're still very 80s.
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  We're starting off with the TARDIS scene.
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  Yeah, very authentic of the time.
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  She's got a lot of slap on her face, this.
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  Time, isn't she? Yeah.
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  She looks sort of like a 1980s hooker.
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  No she doesn't. She is very Naimon Romana
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  though. I just totally believe her
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  though. Nobody like.
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  Comedy like we still got some. Comedy businesses.
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  Oh look, he's still playing with his hat.
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  Well, so he takes his. He takes his snacks.
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  His series snacks with him and then in a second the doctor
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  comes back and brings the snacks back off him.
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  I don't know why she won't let him have his snacks.
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  And slaps on the table. Oh, they're so funny to.
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  Go OK now here we have the setting for this weeks episode.
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  Oh dear, this castle is rendered in this styrene.
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  Now we do have to say the acting is amazing from the guest cast
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  here. Is.
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  But isn't. No, it isn't.
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  No, but, well, no, because if we're given sort of fruity in
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  the path, but yeah. But we're supposed to be on sort
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  of medieval on another planet. Yeah, but it is another planet.
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  Is it because. Yeah, because he's got it's
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  medie. It's like we've got King's
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  demons music going on, we've got everybody in there, medieval
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  stuff, but it is supposed to be a different planet because the
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  guy that they talk to has got like a special space thing on.
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  Oh, can I just say the Princess here, the Princess of the castle
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  looks very like Janet Fielding, but sort of Janet Fielding when
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  she was being interviewed, even though the.
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  Hairstyle of the 80s It's. Sort of businesswoman lesbian
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  with a lot of slap on SO. It looks like the look of this
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  is like an amateur dramatic stage play.
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  Film compared to the first one. Compared to the first one, yeah.
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  So we we're in a castle in the background.
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  It's painted. It's blue painted bricks.
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  You know, you, you sponge sponged on, painted.
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  But it doesn't matter. But I have seen like Doctor Who
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  stories, but it's not quite as cheap as that, but it's the same
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  sort of thing where it's a painted drop like that.
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  So we have the Prince and the Princess of the castle.
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  Oh, and somebody is invading. I thought this was back in the
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  park. It's supposed to be on another
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  planet. Oh my God, look at that.
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  That's bulging his breaches. And we're still using authentic
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  Doctor Who in Central Music. So we've got just like the
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  King's Demons. And now we've got some bit of
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  Five Doctors music going in, you know, when the Cybermen attack.
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  Sorry, Mustache. So the Prince has been captured.
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  By what looks like Robin. Hood I thought it was going to
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  be a Robin Hood story when I first watched.
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  It Oh no, that that cut was terrible.
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  He got hit and then he just landed on the floor straight
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  away. But it's, it's super fun.
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  Yeah. He's been taken away.
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  Oh, what a codpace. Going on.
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  My God. Oh the Princess Janet feel good,
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  but not poor Janet, you know. Do you remember that picture of?
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  Oh I love this with all the extras running so we the the the
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  castle is in siege so we just. Oh my God, there's there's a an
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  older, slightly larger woman in bright purple going Joshua
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  reminds me of in French and Saunders when there were the
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  extras going Oh my baby, my baby.
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  Oh, and a bit more comedy as well.
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  So the TARDIS has landed. Carl's like, excuse me, anybody,
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  excuse me. And everyone's running past him
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  like in a panic. Unfortunately, because I've only
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  got 5 extras, it's the same people running back and forth
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  but nevermind. Oh, I think the story here is
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  the Doctor needs to collect some something for her TARDIS because
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  it's broken. Or something like that.
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  Yeah, yeah, I've just made that. But then also when she's they're
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  about to be captured, but they're not because they talk to
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  the leader who explains what's going on.
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  She's had a history of being on this planet because he says, oh,
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  are you the doctor that that helped us defeat the Cybermen
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  back in da da da da da. And then he says, oh, funny, I
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  thought it was AI, thought it was a man so.
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  It's the only real reference though, isn't.
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  It so we're all very medieval, apart from this main guy who
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  played one of the folks in the last episode.
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  But now he's in like a long. Way impressive to God, but.
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  Now this guy is all in like purple with a sort of Flash
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  Gordony style costume. I would say this.
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  We're medieval slash. Flash, know what this is?
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  You and I both love a panto. This is like I'm a massive
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  panto. Because we even have a talent
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  show in the middle of this episode.
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  I think this is the comedy of the season.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she's eating an orange
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  as well. This man here the the ruler of
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  the castle. She looks a bit like Julian
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  Glover. Shame he doesn't act like Julie
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  Gamma. What fine protrus robes he has.
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  I mean, all the language is very we are medieval, blah blah,
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  blah. You know, Doctor.
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  You're fealty to my honour is you will go to a tumu and free
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  my daughter. So it's a rival, you know, rival
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  Kingdom, I think, and he's been captured.
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  The only way the Doctor can possibly get into the castle
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  because it is to go to this talent show because Atumu wants
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  entertainers. So basically what is they can't
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  send any guards or anything with the doctor and Carl because they
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  need to defend their own Kingdom.
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  So she must go. She's she said she will go.
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  But it's the only way. In but the only way in is to be
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  sort of sort of peasant. Jokers.
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  Yeah, to be like a travelling trip.
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  The Princess wants to go, but he won't let her go.
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  So she goes and she goes. Obviously our 1980s Janet
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  Fielding Princess. So now but she goes.
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  To Carl. Come along Carl, we're going to
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  be entertainers. And then she goes straight at
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  the times. Of course she's got the gear,
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  isn't she? In the TARDIS.
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  And yeah, off they go and they dress up and.
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  She has, unfortunately. I'll need to set up the joke
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  before we get there. She has to ensure that they have
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  talent, otherwise they're never going to get into the castle.
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  The evil. Man, the story is here.
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  The evil guys holding all these talent contest, he needs to be
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  entertained. So you can only go through,
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  yeah, you only get through into his Kingdom if you're
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  entertaining. It's a really good idea.
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  Karl has no talent, so the doctor uses a hypno.
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  Watch. Which is obviously we've done
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  that before and we, Henry Gordon Jacobs, look at my hypno watch
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  and says right when you hear a certain 2 words you will believe
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  you're the best singer and dancer ever and well, we'll get
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  there. Yeah.
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  What are the two? Words mark.
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  So the two words are Gene Kelly. So she says Gene Kelly and we
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  will see shortly. Suddenly Carl leaps up and does
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  the whole singing in the Rain dance routine, which she's
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  remembered from what should be. It's a really clever.
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  I imagine I was funny. We had this in the 1980s with.
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  Nick O'Brien Perry was a dancer. No don't.
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  Nick O'Brien was the 6th. Doctor and Mel.
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  Oh, but. Imagine instead of having, I
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  don't know, instead of having mind warp or something, we had
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  this medieval and Mel has to dress up and be the singer of
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  the dodge with the talent show. He's the doctor, frankly.
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  This is sort of where we do get through in Season 24 though, is
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  it is this sort of tone. It's a big pants mine over the
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  top four. This is a lot of humour if.
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  If season 24 had a historical style story.
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  It would be like it. Would be this yeah, which I
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  think would be very popular, but it's just how it's just how it
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  all ties in. It's just really cleverly
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  written. I.
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  Think I like the fact that they go to the castle in a horse and
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  carriage and they just put them inside a black box and sort of
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  shake it about. When I was watching it the first
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  time around, I had no doubt that they were going there in a horse
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  and carriage. Oh, you believe it.
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  Oh no, there's a slightly bad model castle shot.
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  Which doesn't model? Are you mad as a cardboard Kyle
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  that I keep zooming in on box with with battleman?
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  Somebody here has made the castle walls.
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  They have, oh used lots of cardboard.
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  They have stuck all these bricks on.
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  You know what it looks like? It looks like the dungeon in The
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  Curse of Fatal Death. That's what it looks.
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  Like yeah, curse of. Fatal Death.
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  And in fact, we get scenes like they're all running around like
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  a big farce up and down these corridors and it's very curse of
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  fatal death. And so the Prince has now been
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  captured. And is this heard?
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  What's his name? Or this is a 2 move A2 who is a
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  bit like the great intelligence in the bomb of.
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  Very great intelligence, you know.
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  Sitting there with his legs crossed, he's bold, a bit ugly,
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  and saying sitting in the piece of doom.
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  Yeah, Oh. Great Otumu, please tell me your
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  secrets. But there's no interest in terms
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  of the performances. Yeah, I mean, so, OK, the acting
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  can be slightly weak. Of course.
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  They're all going for it. They all believe it.
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  No one's sending it out. No one's doing any Richard
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  Brides in Paradise Towers. There you go.
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  They should have given this a watch.
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  Like everyone, I'd say everybody is more serious to their role
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  than any any anybody in Season 24.
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  Oh no, A-Team was not bald. It was just very harsh lighting.
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  Now we've got a close up of him, I can see he's got a fine head
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  of hair. You know, they're really taking
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  it, you know, taking. The script and look what they've
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  done here is very clever because I think it's probably the same
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  set as before, but they've just turned the lights down so you
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  can just see just sort of the outline of the bricks.
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  I think this is quite atmospheric actually, with a
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  harsh spotlight on A2. Moon, I mean, this could be the
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  master, the new master. This guy, he's very evil.
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  He's very. We don't need the Master in
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  Barbara Benedetti series. They're all original stories.
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  He doesn't turn up, does he? No he doesn't.
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  No, but I thought it could be the master when I first watched
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  this. I thought it was the toy Baker
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  in the last one. Yeah, he could have been.
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  Oh, that's right, he's doing tarot cars.
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  Of course he is. Well, because.
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  He could he he knows that somebody's going to be a threat
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  to him in the future. Is why is he trying to go?
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  Do those pokers? Does he want to knock him over?
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  The head with a poker but this guy like the he's got sort of
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  hypnotic powers so he stops the Prince from hitting him and
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  we've got more 5 doctors incidental music going on here
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  while this. Is well done.
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  No, no, no. This is well done because it was
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  just done with close-ups to their faces like Battle of
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  Wheels and then the poker coming down.
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  That was well as hit. I thought, yeah, I think 80s
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  Doctor Who should have paid attention to Seattle
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  international fan films. It's just tight.
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  It's tightly, tightly. Tighter.
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  Can't speak today. Tighter, tighter.
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  Paste. Come on.
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  Back to the doctor. And she's, she's very true.
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  I don't know if this is that directory or not, but he's got
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  an orange. What do you mean?
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  He's got an orange on his. Table.
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  He's got an orange. Oh, a little orange.
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  Little Orange. She's wearing a cockpie.
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  He's. Got an orange, she had an orange
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  and was eating an orange. So is there some sort of theme
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  here of orange and she has an orange in the next story as
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  well? Shoot, that's her thing, I
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  think. Oh well.
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  So keep an eye on the last. One munch in an orange.
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  It wasn't. Oh, did an orange go up the
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  stairs? There was, yeah.
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  That's The thing is there's an orange in this and in that.
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  Was there an orange in the first one?
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  I don't think so, but here, here's the horse and cart, Carl
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  and the doctor on her way, and she's in like a like silky.
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  Kimono. What is?
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  She wearing. It's great, she.
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  Looks like she's off to have it. Off but now I see it now you
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  said it. They're just in a thing,
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  pretending, you know, rocking around, pretending they're in a
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  it's. Clever though.
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  It's clever, I. Wouldn't have even thought.
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  Otherwise you need you could have done an establishing shot
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  but they obviously haven't got a horse and car so.
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  Here, she's going to hypnotize Carl.
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  Poor Carl, I love her earrings. I think he does the Jago joke.
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  OK, No, I I can't be that easily hypnotized.
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  He's got you. Know what he looks like handsome
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  and I can't tell if he looks young.
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  Sometimes looks young, sometimes looks old.
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  He looks like Danny Ramsey from Neighbours.
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  You know the first episode of Neighbours?
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  Oh, a little. Bit that's who Carl reminds me
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  of. I keep seeing Danny Ramsey.
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  He's so charming though, he's so and he just absolutely loves the
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  Doctor, that that renders the entirety of Doctor Who moot.
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  If you're saying this cheapo fan film, it's your favorite.
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  Doctor, if that too got cancelled tomorrow it would be a
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  shame. I've missed it but I'd have
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  these stories to watch Binley game.
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  Oh, here we go. Okay, the talent show isn't the
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  best in terms of setting design. I don't know why they've gone
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  for a pink background did. You notice in the.
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  Front sort of 18. There's a woman wearing those
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  old grandma scarves that you wear when it's cold out.
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  Well, there's supposed to be sort of a medieval crowd on
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  there. Dressed up like a fortune.
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  Teller supposed to be that's didn't you?
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  It's the same extra as you get in.
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  The ragtag bunch they are. It's.
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  Just weird that there's a modern sort of set with medieval
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  people. It's an alien planet, all right.
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  And here we have our our evil Kingdom guy and he's got his
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  ring and he puts his hand down if it's if they don't pass the
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  talent show do. They tell I.
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  No, I think they just get taken away and they don't.
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  Get so Oh, I you know what? The fella playing the the the
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  the Jago character, the impresario.
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  He's very camp, isn't he? Look, he's got a load of slap on
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  and a beard. He's like Contra to worst.
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  But. Fortunately, Concetta has got
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  two fabulous talents covered on down the Doctor and Carl.
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  Here's the doctor trying to say we're going on next.
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  Oh my God, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do.
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  It wherever she goes, she just convinces.
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  You say the two words and then I'll say what's next.
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  All right, she goes. No, trust me, I've got some
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  talent here. Don't.
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  She's telling the guy to introduce Gene Kelly and then
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  that tricks Carl into suddenly going into his dance routine.
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  What am I going to do? I've got no talent.
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  She's so confident. Look, she's got a lovely silk
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  scarf in her pocket. You ready?
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  Here we go. See.
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  He's holding an orange. Maybe here, we say, maybe I
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  could juggle. Here we go.
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  Gene Kelly goes. Got a dance?
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  Got a dance? I mean, maybe the sequence is a
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  little bit over long. No, it's wonderful.
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  He's not actually tap dancing, it's just been.
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  Popcorn. He's up on the stage and he's
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  tap dancing. What we've heard recently,
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  foreshadowing in a way, you know, all the sort of musical
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  things we've had in the recent shooting Gap were series.
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  What's? That.
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  What's up your life? No, I'm talking about a Petrol
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  River Rd. with a goblin song and everything.
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  To have a. To stop in a story and have a
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  bit of a musical number. Big thing.
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  I'm just saying. Seattle films.
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  We're doing it first. You know it's in though Ruby.
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  Sunday. Exactly.
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  This is. This is that moment.
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  This is the OH. Look, Goblin Song.
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  And in a minute he starts tap dancing.
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  He jumps up on the chair and he spins the whole chair over and
• 18:37
  keeps tap dancing. I mean, I never knew Carl was.
• 18:39
  Such a dad. Game go go on Carl.
• 18:44
  Although to be fair, he's doing some pretty bad dogs.
• 18:46
  He's. Wowing this medieval crowd with
• 18:50
  his Oh yeah. Did you see the previous act
• 18:53
  there was terrible. Go on, Carl, give it some.
• 18:59
  Oh, he really fell off the chair then.
• 19:01
  It's just really entertaining. Oh, and it's starting to wear
• 19:05
  off. So she's the doctor shouting
• 19:06
  from the wings. Gene Kelly sparing him on.
• 19:14
  He's going. I'm spinning in the rain.
• 19:18
  Yeah. You haven't had anything like
• 19:20
  this where the companions that's doing a dance number to?
• 19:23
  No. But we should save.
• 19:25
  Everyone's life, we. Should have done.
• 19:27
  I'd love to be in the audience or the fellas.
• 19:29
  Maybe did the script again. You're a genius.
• 19:32
  Imagine being in the audience at a convention watching this.
• 19:36
  Oh, did they have? Gallifrey one by then was it
• 19:38
  Gallifrey 1985? That audience is enraptured.
• 19:42
  Now look at them. Oh, finally, they showed fan
• 19:45
  films at conventions. The lady in the old woman's
• 19:47
  scarf was practically frothing. Did you see it?
• 19:51
  She's having a wonderful time. My God, that is some serious tap
• 19:55
  he's doing now. OK, you're right.
• 19:57
  It's going on a bit. It's only because he's so great.
• 20:01
  What's the fellow's name again? What's a challenge?
• 20:04
  You are car. I mean, yeah, he's a I'm a
• 20:07
  songwriter now for Animaniacs. He he jumped on the chair,
• 20:13
  pushed the chair down onto the stave, and then slid down the
• 20:16
  stage. He goes, What the hell did I do?
• 20:21
  She went. Don't worry about it, Carl.
• 20:25
  Oh dear. So this is our our Carl.
• 20:28
  This is an article from Forbes from 2023 songwriter Randy Rogel
• 20:33
  on writing Yakos World for Animaniacs. 30 years ago this
• 20:39
  September, the animated series Animaniacs was unleashed on the
• 20:42
  world. There's one segment from the
• 20:44
  show that people remember most vividly.
• 20:46
  It's Yakos World. I mean, I know Animaniacs but I
• 20:48
  don't remember specific songs. Fan are you?
• 20:52
  You're a huge fan of Doctor Who. You've only just discovered
• 20:54
  Barbara Benedetti. So, yes, so Randy Rogel, R Carl
• 20:57
  in this attended West Point and graduated with a degree in
• 21:01
  engineering. He spent six years as a military
• 21:03
  officer in the combat arms and a master's degree in international
• 21:07
  relations from Boston University and then went and then went into
• 21:11
  corporate life. He was promoted several times at
• 21:14
  Procter and Gamble and then recruited to digital systems.
• 21:18
  But he always had a dream of working in film and television.
• 21:21
  So I quit my job, drove down to Los Angeles, slept on a friend's
• 21:24
  couch and began writing spect scripts, submitting them to
• 21:28
  agents and studios. And then he got work on Batman,
• 21:31
  the Animated Series, Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs.
• 21:34
  So I wonder where in his life he was doing that.
• 21:36
  Maybe he's, you know, writing to.
• 21:38
  I think maybe he was just a massive Doctor Who fan and said,
• 21:40
  yeah, I'd love to be a part of this.
• 21:42
  Do you know what else he can do? He looks fabulous in a top hat
• 21:45
  and he can sing, dance and do that and it.
• 21:48
  Says here he was a grown up, exposed to the music of
• 21:50
  Broadway, Gershwin, Berlin, Rodgers, Hart, Hammerstein, all
• 21:54
  that. So I think maybe maybe this was
• 21:56
  written in because he had that love of that and he knew all of
• 21:59
  that. What can you do?
• 22:00
  And he goes, right, fine, we'll have Oh no, look, there's that
• 22:03
  cardboard cut out of the castle again.
• 22:07
  You cause waiting for them come. Will you pay attention to the
• 22:09
  story? He's mentions his Doctor Who
• 22:11
  companion time, but he doesn't. Orange is in short again.
• 22:15
  Look, you caught not you call what's his name?
• 22:17
  A tumu. Oh no, what a shame.
• 22:22
  A tumus God is far less sexy than in the first story.
• 22:26
  Sorry a tumu you cause better. I just I'm just trying to
• 22:31
  understand this orange. Does he have special sort of
• 22:33
  magical powers then a two move? What do you, what do you
• 22:36
  hypnotize the guy to stop him Here with the Pope, he's like
• 22:38
  the master. He's got a hypnotism of of
• 22:40
  Abbaism. I can't abbaism.
• 22:44
  I don't know what I'm talking. About you've got hypnotism of
• 22:47
  Abbaism, my life's anything to go by.
• 22:51
  Oh, and here was the mysterious It's the Princess that's
• 22:56
  sneaked. She went on and did a dance in a
• 22:58
  massive black wig. A bit like Diana Dawn, no?
• 23:00
  I mean, Diana. Dawn Ross.
• 23:02
  Diana Ross. Ohh and here we go.
• 23:06
  So she's got in and the doctors snuck in to her dressing room.
• 23:11
  So do you know what this reminds me?
• 23:12
  Of going. On, you know, that scene in
• 23:15
  demon sort of Punjab where the doctor goes into the barn and
• 23:18
  she says to the fella, you don't want to really do this, you
• 23:21
  should stop This is this is Barbara Benedetti's version of
• 23:24
  that. So the Princess, do you know
• 23:27
  what she looks like? That's what she looks like.
• 23:29
  This Janet Fielding woman. Have you seen assignment for of
• 23:33
  Mr. Blankface Sapphire Steel? No, I haven't.
• 23:36
  Well, there's a really dreadful sort of lesbo looking woman in
• 23:40
  that with that sort of fevered hair.
• 23:42
  That's what she looks like. OK, I wish they'd stop showing
• 23:45
  that cardboard cut out. That's the.
• 23:46
  Only thing I think if there's a re edit of this one day get the
• 23:49
  that model shot. Out do a CGI one.
• 23:51
  Do you know what though? I do love the fact that every
• 23:53
  time they zoom in on that cardboard cut out, they do that
• 23:57
  all of wrestle. So maybe now we have the Doctor,
• 24:01
  the Princess and Carl it looks. Like a very dodgy porn right?
• 24:07
  They're all in slap. And she's sending, of course
• 24:10
  she's sending off Carl to do a distraction.
• 24:12
  Trust him well. He's very competent.
• 24:15
  He's got to get the guard to chase after around while the
• 24:17
  doctor, the Princess rescue the Prince.
• 24:21
  That Princess looks like such a porn star.
• 24:24
  She's got a wig on. Oh my God, if you're a fan of
• 24:28
  porn stars, watch. Very like Jane Asher here.
• 24:34
  Meant Who said I was meant to die?
• 24:39
  Oh, this is it. This is the bit that's like a
• 24:41
  fatal death. He goes running off down the
• 24:44
  corridors. The guard follows him and we
• 24:45
  watch them go back and forth, back and forth.
• 24:47
  And it's that music when the Dalek was destroyed in the fire.
• 24:56
  Doctor, come on, now is your moment.
• 24:58
  Come on, Doctor. Take the prostitute with you.
• 25:02
  Oh Carl, man, this is his best story, isn't it?
• 25:05
  But. I think it's all of them.
• 25:06
  It's just a lot of fun to watch and it's never boring.
• 25:09
  There's always something new happening.
• 25:11
  There's always something funny happening and dramatic.
• 25:14
  Name Doctor Who stories worse than this.
• 25:16
  I can't think, I thought. I mean, there's plenty.
• 25:19
  Worse than this? There are so many this.
• 25:21
  Would you rather watch this be or Paradise Towers?
• 25:24
  In the 80s, I mean. I'd rather watch this in
• 25:26
  Paradise Towers. Absolutely.
• 25:29
  Oh, that was great. They've been kept the whole all
• 25:31
  the lights were out and they were in silhouette and then the
• 25:33
  lights came on. They were captured.
• 25:36
  And so here. We, I think they use good visual
• 25:38
  shorthand like that, you know, just to get to the point really
• 25:41
  quickly. That's The thing is it's you can
• 25:43
  tell there's a whole team behind this.
• 25:45
  It's not just a couple of people with a video camera.
• 25:47
  This is like you've got a lighting person, you've got a
• 25:50
  set person, you've got, you know, it's a full team of
• 25:53
  people. Of the four villains, though,
• 25:55
  I'll probably say Otumu is the weakest.
• 25:58
  Oh, in terms of the villain, yeah.
• 26:00
  It's it's not it doesn't camp it up.
• 26:02
  Enough. It's very cleverly storyboarded
• 26:05
  as well, so. Just look so the Doctor and the
• 26:09
  Princess now in their very elaborate gear, All that hits on
• 26:13
  show are being held by guards. I have seen a porn movie like
• 26:17
  this I think. But you've.
• 26:21
  Got this on the show reels. I don't know, it was a long time
• 26:25
  ago, but here he. Said.
• 26:28
  Oh, evil God, he said. The God, you can have your way
• 26:31
  with her and he went. Oh, here.
• 26:34
  So he's like, oh, the Time Lord. He knows of the Doctor.
• 26:37
  And he thinks because he's predicted someone's going to
• 26:39
  come and stop him, observe him. Usurp him, Jesus.
• 26:44
  Christ, I'm. Going to buy you a fucking.
• 26:47
  And he's like Christmas. Obviously the Doctor is going to
• 26:49
  be her, but it's very clever that it turns out it's actually
• 26:53
  the Princess is the one that basically shoots him and kills
• 26:57
  him, and it's not the Doctor. The Doctor has nothing to do
• 26:59
  with it. I was quite shocked in the bit
• 27:01
  coming up where they captured. The orange again, I said.
• 27:04
  This orange turns up all the time.
• 27:07
  I was very surprised because they rescued the Prince in a
• 27:09
  minute and then they all get captured again.
• 27:13
  And then he's going to behead the Princess and the doctor.
• 27:18
  They're all captured and he's like, and he's going to force
• 27:22
  Karl to do it with his hypnotism.
• 27:24
  He's like, you know, and the sword goes up and it goes down.
• 27:28
  And I genuinely thought, A, is this going to be a cliffhanger,
• 27:31
  or B, how is she going to get out of this?
• 27:34
  How is that actually going? To actually knows well.
• 27:37
  And you know, all of those 80s cliffhangers, you know, like the
• 27:40
  visitation and it's 1/4 doomsday with the doctor.
• 27:44
  And the thing this is, I mean, Eric Saywood could never because
• 27:48
  here it's actually cleverly done.
• 27:50
  They're about to behead the doctor.
• 27:52
  And then and then he says, do you have any final words?
• 27:55
  And she says, yes. Gene Kelly snaps Carl into his
• 28:00
  dance routine, flies the sword out, overcomes the garden.
• 28:07
  That's how you do it. That's how you get out of a
• 28:09
  beheading sequence. In.
• 28:12
  Such a clever way, I think it's perfect rotation.
• 28:15
  Someone goes no way. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:18
  Rather than you cop out every single time it's.
• 28:20
  Been set out. And it's been set up before.
• 28:23
  Well, the Gene Kelly thing was set up in the first scene when
• 28:26
  he's watching it. Then it's set up again in this.
• 28:28
  And that's what I mean, just why I was just so impressed by the
• 28:32
  way that it's actually. Eric Saber written should have
• 28:34
  been looking at these and getting the script exactly from
• 28:37
  these people. It's not.
• 28:38
  Just there for the sake of it. But it's also that trope that
• 28:41
  you get in a Doctor Who story. Oh, the the bad guy's about to
• 28:44
  kill him to get somebody to do it.
• 28:46
  This is so Doctor Who, isn't it? It's so so.
• 28:49
  So Doctor Who, but funny so. You don't usually, well, comedy.
• 28:54
  But it's, but it's, I don't know what it is.
• 28:56
  I just was transfixed by this whole story.
• 29:00
  Transfixed, you say? Transfixed.
• 29:03
  It's just so well done, I don't think.
• 29:05
  Here we go. It's a big sword.
• 29:10
  G Kelly. And the Gene Kelly thing, it's
• 29:15
  such a, it's such a Doctor Who thing.
• 29:17
  It is dance routine knocked the bloody guard.
• 29:19
  Out where else other than Doctor Who would you get a medieval
• 29:22
  space planet when someone's been hypnotized by the words Gene
• 29:25
  Kelly and doing the dance routine?
• 29:27
  This is absolute, in fact. You know what that is?
• 29:30
  It's very Douglas Adams. This isn't it.
• 29:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God, the Princess is
• 29:37
  beating the shit out of the car just like Janet Philbin did to
• 29:39
  that poor Tereleptil. Could you see this in season 17
• 29:44
  as a Tom Baker story? Kind of, actually, yeah.
• 29:48
  They didn't have, you know, they didn't have anything like this.
• 29:50
  I think the production value wouldn't be much different.
• 29:53
  Production value forms and I'm on.
• 29:54
  There's no visual difference here.
• 29:56
  He has. Got a space gun?
• 29:59
  No, the Princess has been knocked out.
• 30:01
  Not for long. And then we get another twist
• 30:04
  here where it's not the Doctor. That's the doctor doesn't really
• 30:08
  do very much in in this one. Yeah.
• 30:10
  She's funny. But she's just there on the
• 30:12
  side. It sort of all happens around
• 30:14
  her. Yeah, well, they take a
• 30:16
  completely different tack in the third one, don't they?
• 30:19
  Having her totally on the sidelines, Yeah, but really on
• 30:22
  the. Princess and the Princess just
• 30:24
  stabs actually, and then we've got the close up because he's
• 30:29
  just realized now he's been stabbed by the Princess.
• 30:31
  His tarot card was actually predicting that rather than look
• 30:35
  out to doing anything. She's rolling up her sleeves.
• 30:38
  A good day's work, she says. I've, I've anguished.
• 30:41
  Absolutely. It's the Princess capturing, not
• 30:44
  capturing, rescuing the Prince. The Prince is completely
• 30:46
  useless. What a great script.
• 30:50
  I don't get the only bit I don't get the Princess picks up the
• 30:52
  massive sword when they're escaping and then she just the
• 30:56
  doctor tells her just to drop it and then she drops it and then
• 30:59
  they run away. She doesn't.
• 31:01
  She doesn't agree with weapons. True.
• 31:04
  In the same way she confiscated smacks, she doesn't like swords
• 31:08
  or snacks. Oh my God, now they're running
• 31:10
  around the corridor. We've got a bit of a chase.
• 31:12
  Sequence. Here door was very cardboard.
• 31:14
  Wasn't it? It's all cardboard.
• 31:19
  Oh, we've got a Leela reference there.
• 31:21
  Good heavens, she's just. What's it?
• 31:23
  Good heavens. You sound just like Leela.
• 31:27
  What? The hell is going on?
• 31:28
  Just stab them to death. Do you know I?
• 31:30
  Think I must have fallen the surgery I.
• 31:31
  Think you did? So this is Prince having a
• 31:33
  vision because he's got special powers that he knows that
• 31:37
  there's a secret door there that they can get out of.
• 31:39
  So he knows to press his brick to get out of there.
• 31:41
  Oh. My God.
• 31:43
  Escape back to their own Kingdom.
• 31:45
  I can't believe how much incident there is in half an
• 31:47
  hour in this story. Oh, I.
• 31:48
  Wish there was like. Action, Suspense, sorcery and
• 31:53
  also a dance routine. What's?
• 31:54
  Going on The Doctor, Carl Prince, The Princess on the
• 31:56
  front of Doctor Magazine, 1985 new series.
• 32:00
  Exclusive interview Barbara. Benedetti is the doctor.
• 32:05
  Well, of course I had to accept the role.
• 32:08
  When they said to me, will I be the first female Doctor?
• 32:11
  I said, who is this? Jodie Whitaker.
• 32:13
  Person page three Find out about Carl.
• 32:19
  Is he just any old chimney sweep?
• 32:23
  What's going on that I don't remember any of this?
• 32:24
  Well, now they're just escaping and we're going to just wrap up
• 32:27
  the story now back in the Kingdom.
• 32:29
  Julian Glover's back in his fabulous purple and golden Rd.
• 32:33
  Very much, Doctor. However, can we thank you for
• 32:36
  saving our Kingdom? Blah.
• 32:37
  Blah. Oh, I didn't get the equipment.
• 32:38
  She gets the equipment. I don't think so.
• 32:40
  Maybe it's another one way she. No, she is at the beginning of
• 32:43
  this. Are you almost taking it for
• 32:44
  that, John Pert? We won.
• 32:45
  Again, not Yeah, she's like. I have it on very good authority
• 32:54
  that everything is going to work out well, Doctor.
• 32:57
  However, could we thank you. Yeah, off they go.
• 32:59
  It's a bit like Terra de Vervo, isn't it?
• 33:02
  Have you ever heard my rendering of on with the?
• 33:03
  Motley God of death. Yeah, there we go.
• 33:09
  And then we've got, you know, our usual.
• 33:11
  I feel like the TARDIS is an upgrade.
• 33:13
  Stunned. No, it's the same TARDIS.
• 33:14
  Oh, it's the same one. Yeah, good heavens, he says.
• 33:17
  Yeah, it's. Like I thought A2 moon was the
• 33:19
  only one that could do sorcery? Here we go in there.
• 33:22
  Oh, Barbara. Barbara Benedetti.
• 33:24
  Can I ask you what your one fabulous thing is for the What's
• 33:28
  it called again? The magics of A2.
• 33:30
  Move two move. Wesley Risers A2 Move Princess
• 33:36
  Adrian Stasia Johnson. She looks like a Stasia as well.
• 33:40
  Sorry. Go on.
• 33:40
  What's your fabulous thing? That just the way that just the
• 33:45
  cleverness of that script, like I said, that bit that I
• 33:48
  described about the ending where it's not your typical, I'll kill
• 33:50
  them, get out of it. Just the way that it's set up
• 33:53
  and done effortlessly. I just think that's really
• 33:57
  clever and well done. My favorite thing about this
• 33:59
  second one certainly wasn't the production value it was it was
• 34:03
  the Doctor and Carl's relationship and just how witty
• 34:07
  and funny those things were lesser making him get up on that
• 34:11
  stage and tap dance. And we're just watching.
• 34:13
  It's a full car. All the set builders, the people
• 34:16
  doing the costumes, everything is a great.
• 34:18
  Team Howard Carson, the designer.
• 34:20
  You better job next time please. Why are you?
• 34:23
  Planning on the ball. Ryan K Johnson directed this.
• 34:25
  One Ryan K Johnson, and he's does them all, I think.
• 34:27
  Well, he wrote and directed. He is the showrunner for Barbara
• 34:30
  Benedetti is Ryan K Johnson. This is his vision.
• 34:34
  It is. My favorite?
• 34:36
  Vision well done the well can I ask you?
• 34:38
  Really give it a try guys. Can I?
• 34:40
  Ask you what the title is of the third episode that we'll be
• 34:43
  watching soon. What?
• 34:44
  Is. The 3rd it's called a doctor in
• 34:46
  the House. Oh yes, I mean this is much like
• 34:49
  this is up to 1988 the next one. And that's a much more sort of
• 34:53
  contemporary thriller, medical supernatural thriller.
• 34:58
  It's the next ones very much more like a very early BV in
• 35:02
  terms of the style, but yeah. But add fun.
• 35:04
  It's got the best jogger you've ever seen in anything ever.
• 35:08
  Do you know what I mean? That Lady is like that.
• 35:10
  Yeah, but he just. Required some discussion,
• 35:13
  Doctor. This doctor had a bit of a photo
• 35:14
  shoot. We've got to get some photos of
• 35:16
  her. What?
• 35:16
  Put him up on the wall. Oh.
• 35:18
  I just think she's great. And get some merchandise with
• 35:20
  this doctor on please. Oh, you can get that fellow who
• 35:23
  custom makes dolls. Somethings.
• 35:26
  Oh, not those sort of dolls. I think Doctor Who dolls, Do you
• 35:30
  want a Barbara Benedetti? Doll for Christmas?
• 35:32
  Yes, please. OK, well, we'll make it happen.
• 35:35
  That was. Do you know what?
• 35:37
  You're right. That is probably the best
• 35:39
  script. It's very funny.
• 35:41
  Yeah, well. Well, give it a try everybody,
• 35:43
  if we haven't. And and next we'll head into
• 35:46
  horror territory.