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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 18-07-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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  Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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  train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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  want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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  a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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  and freedom. The train of life is a magaxin of good news and hope.
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  This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
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  many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us truly free come
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  Te, I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all,
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  which will certainly take you to safe harbour. This is the train of
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  life. Well, good morning, Spain. Bon día, friends and friends,
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  from this corner, of this great solarium an Iberian speaks to them again
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  Julio Pérez, thirty- two years old. There' s na. I
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  don' t know if it would be an honorary doctor cause that others can
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  be after this week after week, unstoppably, with thousands of hours of this
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  radio magaxing already running through more than a hundred Spanish cities, these thirty-
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  two years, the train of life as life itself unstoppable, we go there
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  again, for yes, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, also all
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  the pilgrims of the radio waves, all those who listen to us by any
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  platform, Spotify or, of course, can hear us in Straiming, on
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  the website of onapocat, anywhere the Martians from beyond, hence of the universe
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  who can also hear us in this way. And then in the metropolitan area
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  of Barcelona, in the ninety- sixth FM one, a city and a
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  metropolitan with more than five million inhabitants and where the radio wave for radio or
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  a pau cataluña is heard perfect, with a wonderful tune and fidelity and much
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  more, after the adjustments that we have made lately, that have greatly improved.
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  It was still fine, but now it' s infinitely better. It
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  means we are pleased because we like things well done truth, from this radio
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  station, from the train of life to this unstoppable machine that travels at the
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  speed of I do not know if of the light more than three hundred thousand
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  kilometers. For the second, it' s not the speed of light.
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  Well, I don' t know It' s a tremendous speed. Tremendous.
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  We arrived in many honey cities I speak to them of one hundred main
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  cities of their Spain where it is tuned weekly. Look today at many cities
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  in Barcelona and the Catalan area as well, but Friday is tuned in many
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  more Spanish cities as many others, even in the Canary Islands, in the
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  Balearic Islands, in Mallorca, etc, in various places. Saturday in many
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  cities. There sea of a hundred cities, and those cities have a radius
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  of action of other important cities, satellites around party heads and on Sunday repeats
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  many stations the programming and on Monday, through radio television life in the entire
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  area of Murcia and all the elevating to Granada, Malaga and Almeria and all
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  parts again that have already tuned the weekend, also in the north, also
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  in many parts, in Galicia, in Cantabria, in Asturias, well yes,
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  yes, the truth is that no. In the center of the Peninsula
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  also how not Galicia, Galicia of our loves. Well, there we are
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  always the train of life, a traveling train where we have interviews, we
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  talk about almost all life and for having the human realities that concern us all,
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  but also the mysteries, the mysteries of the universe. We also have
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  those who can speak the professor Dr Antonio Cruz and many others, my good
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  friend Miguel I Wikand and so many others who can talk about these things with
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  a more authoritative way, so professors of the subject at the university and in
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  many parts with authentic k chairs of the subject. But and others there is
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  a huge list of collaborators in the train of life of this level that pleases
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  us, because when we talk to anyone about a matter, there must be
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  rigor, rigor of credible dating and that conform to the truth. Well,
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  today we have a very special interview grill. Look First of all, we
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  ' re going to be with Miguel Lara and Rosa Burguera. Michael and Rosa
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  are known in the angelic Christian world. They' re well known to him
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  for what. Because they' re loved. They' re a lovely couple.
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  What they' re like is they' re a love in the deal.
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  They are not from now on. I' ve known them for many
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  years. I really know them and they have always been that way, with
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  that maturity, that weight, that give the years of life and they are
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  musicians, musicians, they are virtuous, well Rosa has been, has been
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  teacher of the Conservatory of Music of Tarragona for many years so far, that
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  they are dedicated to full music, their own music and their concerts, that
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  are increasingly and more popular concerts in the streets, in the squares, in
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  the cities. They really like to be with people and with very tremendous messages.
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  And Miguel Lara is a virtuoso, she' s a self- taught.
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  He has also had musical training, obviously, but he started instinctively and
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  you see him playing the violin, for example, in addition to the guitar,
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  and it is impressive. Now Malikian, I think he' d take
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  it for a while with him and then now Rosa plays the bagpipe too because
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  they play Celtic music. The group goes out one hundred and fifty, a
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  musically very high voltage group, and well, today they' ll be both,
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  because we' re going to talk about going through the valley of shadow
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  of deaths. It is an expression very much of a psalm in the Bible,
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  the 23rd Psalm of David, King David, who wrote it in a
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  very complex situation of his life. Jehovah, the Lord is Jehovah, the
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  name of God in Hebrew the Lord is my shepherd. Nothing will fail me
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  in places of delicate pastures, it will make me rest, it will comfort
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  my soul, it will guide me after you will have justice for his name
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  ' s sake. Though I walk in the valley of the shadow of death,
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  I will fear no evil, for their rod and their silence will give
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  me breath. And the truth is that they have passed through a valley of
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  shadow of death, lost two children, a little one who unfortunately drowned in
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  a swimming pool in an unprecedented way because they saw that the pool was protected.
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  But these things that children do, that you don' t know how
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  they can do it, and they do it and they always joan unforgettable.
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  And then, unfortunately, a few years ago, three years ago, because
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  his daughter ana beautiful, a beautiful babe with twenty twenty- one years,
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  because she also lost her life. And the truth was that it was a
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  tragedy, a tragedy for them. But how they have lived the theme of
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  the death of their children' s departure. This is to go crazy humanly
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  speaking, but look. Sometimes we talk about running forward and they fled forward.
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  Yes, yes, yes, they fled to Jesus, the pure,
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  true, responsibility. I assure you, not responsible, you have nothing.
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  I know them very well. On the contrary, they have put all their
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  trust and energy into God and in helping people who have suffered early losses,
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  from family members, from children, and are helping with their book, a
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  book that is tremendous. And in addition, they have just done a master
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  ' s degree now on the subject of death, suicide, early death and
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  so on. And they told us about that going through the valley of shadow
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  of death with Miguel and Rosa of salt one hundred and fifty magnificent musicians where
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  they are here on the train of life and in this next station we will
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  have our friend live and live to the modest rock doctor, summer precautions for
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  our health, because it seems that not. But it' s not the
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  dengue mosquito You know that I think it' s in Honduras that there was
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  a dengue plague that they' ve had to take as a national epidemic by
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  the number of people affected and many dead. Well, it' s not
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  that thing, but there are tiger mosquitoes and other species. And then we
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  have a lot of things that are from the skin, skin problems, digestive
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  problems, bad foods, mayonnaise. I' m exposing you to the sun
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  Look. I did an analysis this past week and well, it was Monday
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  and I was already talking to my mutual doctor and a great Doctor Box and
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  he was saying to me he' s okay, you' re okay with
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  everything and the only thing, vitamin D. Your skin doesn' t get,
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  no, I don' t expose myself to gas. If I'
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  m making sedentary life, it' s hard for me to walk, not
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  because I' m caught up in a thousand things. But good for a
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  vitamin, for the vitamin D question. But it means that we have to
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  take care of ourselves and especially our children, also in the family. In
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  this case I already have it, I have grandkids and some dream older middle
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  - income precautions of our health with Dr Modestos Rock, family doctor Pastores Vans
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  believes a pastorazo eh believe me and graduate in theology, a man who is
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  charming to talk to him. He has been a university professor of doctors for
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  many years. Well, we' ll have him here this morning live and
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  live to Dr Roca. Don' t miss it and we' re also
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  talking to Noemi Cortes. Noemi Cortes is also a teacher to her. She
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  is also a professor of an important academic entity. It' s his usual
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  job. But she is the president of the Biblical Institution of Catalonia, which
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  has been awarded with a high distinction, one of the highest distinctions granted by
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  the generality of Catalonia, the Cassia Ius Galardón, which has this name,
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  but it is like something similar to the creu of Sant Jordi. In fact,
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  already the IBE, the Biblical Institution of Catalonia and Bancarica of Catalonia,
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  in the ninety- seventh century, they granted him the Cross of Sant Jordi
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  as one of the institutions of the promotion of the Bible and of the entire
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  biblical production in different aspects. In Catalan, in the Catalan language, a
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  beautiful language that you know speaks it. More than 10 million people are directly
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  influenced indirectly. Then IBEC receives this award, this new award, in the
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  person of its President, Noemi and Cortés, who is also a pastor in
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  Barrio de Gracia, a very Barcelona neighborhood. And well, there it is,
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  in fact, I also have the pleasure of participating. Good to be
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  present, not also participate as the Committee of the Angelic Council of the City
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  of Barcelona and also member of the Director of the Banclic Council of the City
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  and member of the Board. We will be there for such an event relevant
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  to the Protestant world. The Biblical Institution of each Taluña awarded with a high
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  distinction, which will be handed over from the hands of Vice President Laura vilagrapara
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  it seems that the President is already on vacation to the Aragonese father and she,
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  then, will be making this delivery and there we will be accompanying our
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  dear sister and friend. Not in my courtesy, but the interview, because
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  you notice you will tell us where the Biblical Institution of Catalonia was born and
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  how it was born, which was published by Angelica of Catalonia, the IBE,
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  because it was born during the end of Francoism, in one thousand nine
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  hundred and sixty- six, where the church was also repressed, the Evangelical
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  Church, where his father Angel Cortes and other fighters opened the way and also
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  the preservation of a language like the Catalan language, where production in Catalan was
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  also chigua. Therefore, history is very interesting, very interesting of how the
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  Gospel has cared for, it has run through personalities of the Catalan Protestant world
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  in the midst of the opposition. This morning the train of life. Finally,
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  we have Judith Gasola, psychotherapist opet psychotherapist, finfalto, juvenile. What
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  we need to know to start over after a divorce the mariner, uh,
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  what we need to know, what we need to take into account This is
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  of interest to many, uh, and to many, all those who have
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  lived have suffered an unwanted outcome of divorce. No, what guidelines, how
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  we are left and what to do in the face of uncertainty, insecurity,
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  emptiness, pain and children and so many things we need to know to start
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  again, to start again after a divorce, because this morning the Jewish psychotherapist
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  or magnificent this topic deals with Maravilla and we will talk to her on the
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  train of life. Well, don' t miss it, because there'
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  s a lot of marine fabric this morning, very good music and very good
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  company. I remind you that you can write. If you' d like.
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  To Julio Pérez Arroba the train of life, point is for any consultation,
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  request suggestion. Julio Pérez Arroba the train of life, point is and
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  here we go. You can send your message through our Facebook, through our
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  the train of life. Together it is and follow us through Fecbook,
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  through date. Today is a different day. I can smile again with so
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  many voices that they yelled at us, We learned this way, warping our
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  gazes, dreaming of hurting that they no longer say anything and stopped struggling to
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  postpone the future that we dreamt he did not die. In you these hands
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  open incan you know step. I will look for the time that went without
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  raising the life that you find where medo the military spheres and all the deserts
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  CCDE we could always find hidden reasons. It' s a different day.
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  We' ve commented again. We don' t forget the seriousness, but
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  you' re behind. My eyes look forward. We have not been able
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  to find the way to rest and we can fight to build the future that
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  we dreamed of and that our hands did not die in you. A tireless
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  step is being taken. You' ll look for scale teepo who left unannounced.
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  I laugh that you find with mimigos the spheres seen all the deserts that
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  was we went to find always rador is with me and live they came to
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  or Guay place for Artis all that hope not to see mother two days that
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  vivis illustrates life is a trip sometimes you drive and sometimes they take you,
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  sometimes you go to work and sometimes you know how to tire enjoy the road,
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  but do it safely, always respect the rules and drive thinking about others,
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  because no matter where you come from or where you go to skin kmlici
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  by motorcycle or by car. What we want is for you to arrive at
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  the General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. We
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  ' re right next to you. You deserve to be happy Let' s
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  support every show of support for a battered woman. The way out of his
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  situation is a little closer to telling it is called, but you say.
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  If there is a way out of gender- based violence, it is thanks
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  to you Join, Government of Spain. If you want to visit our website
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  wwwwww. Stop the train of life and train of life. Period. Ladies,
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  gentlemen, we' re already in the master car. It is a
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  place of conversation and sometimes, like today, open- hearted because they know
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  why, not just by humbling into the issues, sometimes in the traumas of
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  life. They don' t know why. Because we all learn, we
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  learn to be better people, we learn to have tenderness norla, despite the
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  vagaries of life, despite the soups that life gives us sometimes, sometimes even
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  and being believers of the complex questions that we do not understand. But God
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  always knows the ultimate cause and always knows it. It is not speaking for
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  speaking, but we also have a great teacher, the Holy Spirit. Yeah,
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  yeah, I' m missing weird. The Holy Spirit is a true
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  teacher to help us in life. And this is the case of Michael and
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  Rosa, two loving people in the evangelical world, in our country and also
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  internationally known as the Celtic music group salt one hundred and fifty, which has
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  to do with Psalm one hundred and fifty, the last great psalm, the
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  explosion of joy of Psalm one hundred and fifty salt one hundred and fifty.
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  And well, they' ve lived difficult things, and we want to recapitulate
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  and they know one thing. They want to help people, anyone at the
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  level that is possible, and they have given themselves their music, their book,
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  a challenging book on the subject of grief, very strong, but very
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  necessary, and there we have them. I welcome you Miguel y Rosa,
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  Miguel Lara, Rosa, Burguera, Good morning Hello, good morning July and
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  good morning. I see very summery. Uh, hot, no, no,
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  but it' s its own. Yes, yes, there in Tarragona,
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  that you, also live in the heart of the city. Hey there,
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  all over the city of Tarragona. It is very central, the truth
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  to a beach hour port. Yes, nothing, nothing down that street your
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  going straight down in a straight line, you go, you go there to
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  the yes right where we have taken some walks, also ray cels hears,
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  but regarding Tarragona, in Tarragona has become a city of tourist interest, international,
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  heritage of humanity, because it is beautiful Tarragona. But you, in
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  Tarragona, city, in the Tarragon towns, have given and give concerts in
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  many of the places, popular concerts, really, let them see us where
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  all those who see us that the door that opens we take advantage of the
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  truth right now, ten minutes ago in July. Yeah, well, we
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  want to close a very nice concert in High Fury. They study coastal village,
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  also say nice beautiful and guanito village with a castle. Yes, yes,
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  yes, you read every year would be art by the castle. It
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  is an unbeatable environment, because it is next to the castle very well amazing.
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  Two years ago they were moving and this year it wasn' t very
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  long because there was a change of organization. Yeah, but yeah, or
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  we' ve been confirmed we' re going. But that concert and it
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  ' s already closed on the date. The 16th of August. I'
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  m doing this. Wow, that' s good We' re up there.
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  I also say in case there are people who encourage me is a village
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  worthy of seeing the castle, the village, because it is very like white
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  houses, very Mediterranean. They have the beach very nice and the atmosphere is
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  tremendous, because, that is, all the time of the craft stall do
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  not allow that there are stalls that are not the handmade rtesanía, there will
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  be all by hand very very beautiful. He lives on that detail and they
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  ' re on lawns. People feel good there the great what prettyly everyone there
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  is grai for all audiences. What it will be in the evening, night
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  by night, nine alone, nine ahon We have not been told now it
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  tends to stand out. 16th of August is a good day, it is
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  Friday and then and being August also and Alta Fulla, so it is very
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  nice the place, very or good, as you know, Mrs A,
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  those of the CatalanÁria and those tourists who go on the peninsula from north
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  to south, east to west backpack and to enjoy a concert of salt one
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  hundred and fifty in Alta Fuja on the 16th of August in the afternoon,
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  night, rather in summer, to enjoy it. They don' t spend
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  the night there in a campsite and dot and they have a bomb, so
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  notice that they have already given them the very close pattern of Altafuya. There
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  are two campsites there, two or three, two or three near Tamarit Castle,
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  which is also a beautiful beach, spectacular, with the castle next to
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  a beautiful cove. Yes, yes, yes, very very poetic of Altafulia.
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  So there are fumpings, there are hotels, there are all the days
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  very touristy. Wow, yeah, yeah. Phenomenon. Miguel and Rosa hear
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  how many years you, well, talk about people who had a spiritual experience
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  many years ago and I, thinking of you who know you a little bit,
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  are two different worlds. Rosa you come from a very particular context,
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  very Catalan and such and Miguel too. But it is like many of us,
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  a townhouse of Catalan ultras. No. But Miguel, a self-
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  taught man to see you stay. I said in it this morning' s
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  preamble that if it was Maliquian I would see it, Miguel, take it,
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  take it to him, take it in the suitcase and wish I would
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  take it to carry boxes. No. Yeah, yeah, no, no,
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  yeah, I' m riding is true. I have to say that
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  we' ve seen Amalec once and I don' t know how to love
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  it. Yeah, there was one thing that made me tell Miguel like you,
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  like you. Well, other than that he' s very funny talking
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  and he' s got the songs, which is very funny, I have
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  Miguel who has it too. Yes, yes, yes, the irony of
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  humorous Miguel. So, the ramican also does not. But then, in
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  the end, he did one thing that I told Miguel does as you do,
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  which caused a very special atmosphere in mejo, true that is that he
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  took off the true song, the badness or the shirt or whatever he wore
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  and went through the audience playing the violin the only wow. She was amazed.
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  And that' s what Miguel does, too. Yes, Miguel did
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  years ago. This was a few years ago. What a sight he has
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  copied from you and copied. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I' m
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  missing the step of taking off the shirt I' m on. Well,
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  he hears us, but it' s true. Now, Maliquian, I
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  haven' t seen him in a concert. I' ve seen them deferred.
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  No. But if he doesn' t move, he won' t
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  leave the stage. You' re worth watching live, because after an hour
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  of art. I love it. I love it now. I love it
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  Well, you guys are in life then. How long it has been,
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  how it has been and what has happened between you each or two different worlds,
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  you meet and form are also friends, then I engaged you and then
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  you form part of a Christian community, marrying and taking your backpack and there
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  you go to wherever it takes you to start all this, well, I,
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  as you very well said, come from a Catalan context. My parents
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  were Catholics, but they left, they walked away, they left my faith.
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  In fact, my father stopped believing. My mother didn' t,
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  but my father did and well, but I kept going to church alone.
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  I did everything, made the confirmation, went to groups of young people and
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  when I was twenty years old, because I played the gralla. That one
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  wasn' t doing a piano career, too, but he played the gralla.
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  And then the former pastor of the Church, because they had me a
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  group since it was called Dulcinea full with Michael and invited me to play with
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  them. And well, and there, then, came love. We didn
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  ' t have a crush there, musical crush, and we started to first
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  that, to be friends. It took little time to be friends and right
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  away, the purest of boyfriends. And when we started being boyfriends, I
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  started attending church as well. And well that in my family, because it
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  was a shock a very strong shock, a cultural shock. Well, they
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  told me they ate the bit. Not now, but at first it was
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  a strong clash because they, well that although they were nominal, because they
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  were Catholics and at that time the Church. I believe that now the Evangelical
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  Church is much better known. But of course, we' re talking about
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  thirty- three years ago. It wasn' t so well known it was
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  something else. I don' t know what for kids was like residual.
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  No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, we had in
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  our struggles, in us, we weren' t already enchanted and after nothing,
• 34:06
  after a year, we already had super in love. But in my
• 34:10
  family, about my family, we go in Miguel' s family, there
• 34:14
  was no problem. But in my family it was a cultural and regal shock.
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  All this is clear, too. For my family it was already a
• 34:25
  gift and I, for his family, was a threat. Well, your
• 34:30
  father was telling me how you' re going to marry my daughter, how
• 34:34
  you' re going to build it. Explain to me yes, yes,
• 34:39
  now they have changed a lot, I mean, they have changed thanks to
• 34:45
  Miguel and to knowing his family and giving his vision has been now totally different.
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  Of course, the atmosphere of the class that belongs to your family and
• 34:55
  lives in another environment, and it is normal to retrain life in a certain
• 35:00
  way. But, for example, Miguel, that you came, from me
• 35:05
  I remember legendaryly, I did not know you so closely, but indirectly the
• 35:12
  times of Dulcinea foll Oliva negra, so many musicians from the city of Tarragona
• 35:16
  that at one moment they knew Jesus through one of the first pastors that there
• 35:21
  was there in the church formerly not a man so it was at that time
• 35:27
  very dynamic and also and among that baking more or less you arrived. No
• 35:34
  yes, I arrived a little later, because they already, well, they
• 35:37
  already take time. They are older, let' s say not, the
• 35:43
  black olive metamorphosis. Yes, they were bands of jas rock that already existed
• 35:45
  here in Tarragona. No, yes, and it was good. I was
• 35:51
  a neighborhood full of raising in the neighborhood, we were already making whistles,
• 35:55
  let' s put on our first group, because at the fifteen years of
• 36:00
  a group called Flor de lis and that we came to compose nine songs,
• 36:05
  because at sixteen, seventeen years old, and well it lasted little, because
• 36:09
  the mili arrived the brides and they were made the group. So, no
• 36:12
  one wanted to go on, but I wanted to go on. It was
• 36:15
  the only thing about the group I wanted to follow. In fact, I
• 36:16
  went one by one to their homes to say hey we' re going to
• 36:20
  continue. But none of them wanted it then. I, at that moment
• 36:23
  I was playing the electric guitar and at the age of nineteen, because in
• 36:31
  a neighborhood atmosphere, imagine with the music, there come other things that is
• 36:34
  not music, atmosphere of local, of motherhood, of chaos, of all
• 36:39
  kinds. You can imagine, because what serves in a neighborhood and there came
• 36:44
  everything a little scrambled. I was nineteen years old, because I have my
• 36:49
  sights and it was because of one of the musicians who were already there,
• 36:53
  because one day they asked us the place to meet there to tollos an experience
• 37:00
  with Jesus, and they already come in their rehabilitation center and they, they
• 37:04
  already talked about Jesus in the streets, they sang praise and one day they
• 37:07
  asked us the place to meet and I stayed at that small meeting and although
• 37:12
  I honestly didn' t want to know much about what was going on,
• 37:16
  but something happened inside me and when I heard the praises and what they were
• 37:22
  talking, the truth that there I believe it was the man who touched my
• 37:25
  heart through the music and I had as my first impact there. I don
• 37:29
  ' t speak spiritual, it happened inside me, no, but although I
• 37:31
  didn' t pay much attention to it, I followed with my life And
• 37:35
  it was at nineteen years when I had my encounter with Jesus and it was
• 37:39
  private because I was alone in a bank of that sweep, because I opened
• 37:44
  it my heart and asked if it was really alive, if it was real,
• 37:47
  it wasn' t a strange religious story and there I didn' t
• 37:52
  find my person with Jesus, being alone in a ban covid or seeing something
• 37:52
  I didn' t have. It gave me a lot of peace. He
• 37:53
  gave me something a very big gift. It gave me peace at that time
• 37:58
  that a part that I had never experienced anything like that. They are to
• 38:00
  me a treasure that I still keep my preserve. There, just at that
• 38:06
  age I started playing the violin, also because I started listening to Celtic music.
• 38:09
  I was passionate. Celtic music connected with a tremendous form. That'
• 38:13
  s where I started with the violin, my fully self- taught career.
• 38:15
  I' m going to Barcelona with ten zero pesetas from the old ones saved.
• 38:20
  I bought my violin in the house for Ramón de las Ramblas in Barcelona
• 38:23
  and started playing totally self- taught, asking people how they do this and
• 38:27
  this and that and says because at that time you already see, because there
• 38:30
  was no YouTube, there was nothing, there were no tutorials, like now,
• 38:34
  that there is a lot of information, and neither did we have the
• 38:36
  truth. My economy no longer allowed me, it allowed me to have a
• 38:39
  teacher and you learned. So and so I don' t go on and
• 38:45
  the rest, I' ve already bought it pink that we met there in
• 38:50
  that context and I already tell you how silver makes music that until today,
• 38:52
  because we' re still there in the battle. That' s nice,
• 38:54
  that' s nice,' cause everything' s good. I remember back
• 39:00
  like this among people, then more closely, no, and then the music.
• 39:07
  Music has been a vital part and continues to be a part, because
• 39:10
  the moment you assume the leadership of the group salt one hundred and fifty,
• 39:15
  there is an extraordinary change. There' s an impulse in the group.
• 39:21
  There is an opening, there are new creations, there are open doors,
• 39:29
  there is a trajectory, there is very good music, very good music composed.
• 39:34
  And I don' t know if you notice, but you are very
• 39:37
  dear. Hey, you guys are so dear. Not only in the evangelical
• 39:42
  sphere, which was very popular even in many areas. I' ve detected
• 39:47
  it. I can have another perception. Not then, that' s wonderful
• 39:53
  when people love you, but how you live it. Well, that'
• 39:59
  s really helped us through very difficult times. We haven' t noticed judgment
• 40:12
  or sometimes say that that makes a big difference when you go through traumatic times,
• 40:21
  as the fact that people around you. You notice the warmth and the
• 40:29
  affection, because it makes that more bearable. We' ve never noticed judgment,
• 40:37
  we' ve never noticed it at least, or if we' ve
• 40:42
  ever perceived anything, it' s been from people far away. Yeah,
• 40:45
  that' s appreciated and makes a difference, because so that doesn' t
• 40:52
  become a sick thing for the owner. If people accompany you to the people
• 40:58
  around you and they' re not and they' re there, then that
• 41:02
  ' s very appreciated. Sure to put our listeners in position. Some are
• 41:07
  watching for fabur like, but they won' t listen and they will hear
• 41:13
  us even more in many Spanish cities through the FM. When life hurts,
• 41:19
  when life sees it and can' t hurt life more than when you lose
• 41:22
  a child, right, a husband? A wife? A wife or a
• 41:28
  husband or a son? A father or a mother? A mother or a
• 41:34
  son? Especially a father, parents. Then, when life hurts and hurts
• 41:38
  truly and so I have titled this, going through the valley of shadow,
• 41:46
  of death, which is the psalm of David, because David tells many things,
• 41:52
  of the psalms, of bitter moments of life. He speaks of many
• 41:57
  victories as well and euphoric moments of because he was a great king. But
• 42:01
  he also speaks of anguish. He' s talking about a lot of distress.
• 42:06
  And that tells me about realism. Life sometimes gives us a setback.
• 42:12
  When life hurts, how it hurts, how you did it. For our
• 42:15
  listeners lived the loss of a son a few years later, the loss of
• 42:21
  a daughter. How can you process that until I ask it now because I
• 42:27
  know in what condition you are if I wouldn' t be able to ask
• 42:30
  us. Well, actually, it' s things that you hear from us,
• 42:37
  no, and you think it can never happen to you, because you
• 42:43
  think you' re that Christian like you' re protected from those things.
• 42:45
  And there' s a cover. Sometimes he talks about a cover that'
• 42:49
  s there protecting you and that these things can' t happen to you because
• 42:52
  God is there in control of everything. No, and sometimes it' s
• 42:55
  not. In fact, well, have a lot in the Bible of how
• 43:01
  David you just named King David, who also lost a son. Yes,
• 43:06
  he prayed with all his will, with his strength to God that the Anaray
• 43:09
  did not heal him, but David said a very nice thing at that time.
• 43:15
  It is very profound that we take it very seriously. And that doesn
• 43:20
  ' t take away the moment you' ve passed too and the battle.
• 43:24
  But he said one thing that helps us a lot to understand. He said
• 43:29
  when the son died. He told the servants good to bring me food of
• 43:35
  life. He girded himself, he ate a drink, and David was told.
• 43:38
  We don' t understand when your son was there alive, You were
• 43:42
  there in fasting and now that he' s already dead, You now ask
• 43:45
  for food. We don' t quite understand what happened. Vaguien has to
• 43:47
  be a little upside down and he said look, He' s not coming.
• 43:53
  He' s already gone, but I' m going towards him and
• 44:00
  that' s something that we have very much in mind. The loss of
• 44:04
  a child is something that' s kind of like for you to have an
• 44:07
  idea, like you got pierced by a sword in your heart, like a
• 44:10
  limb was ripped out of you. It' s a very painful and good
• 44:16
  thing, we make decisions at the time. Not one thing that has helped
• 44:20
  us a lot is to be together, to work as a team, to
• 44:25
  support us and the first thing we did was to throw out, to ignore
• 44:30
  the voice, that which is the voice that can crush you, the voice
• 44:32
  of guilt, the voice of the fucking skill that comes to tell you that
• 44:37
  bad you are that bad father or more allowed. That' s gonna lift
• 44:38
  us up. You' re sunk, you' re failed, and that
• 44:44
  voice we had to silence in our relationship and take exa connection. It is
• 44:50
  not the decision to support us, to love us, to take care of
• 44:57
  us, to take care of our children, also and to let us love
• 45:01
  people who love us for friends, also to choose very well who you are
• 45:04
  with. No, because in those moments be a little selective, because there
• 45:09
  are people who can put up with you a lot, just put with their
• 45:15
  presence, with their silence, and other people can do you more harm.
• 45:19
  You know, it' s not a moment where you' re very vulnerable
• 45:22
  in the very open wound. It is a sincere support of people who love
• 45:27
  you and, of course, the most beautiful tool we have is the one
• 45:32
  that to this day you continue to help us to endure the pain, because
• 45:39
  faith does not take away the pain. But faith is the most beautiful tool
• 45:43
  we have, because it will continue to walk and have hope in what lies
• 45:47
  ahead to know how to believe with all conviction that one day we will see
• 45:52
  our children again. That' s right, buddy, that' s because
• 46:00
  a lot of people when you live things that Dr Dockson said, when what
• 46:07
  God does apparently or allows doesn' t make sense. There aren' t
• 46:10
  so many others. Donald has also talked about this issue. Where is God
• 46:16
  in our tragedies, when we are believers and see wonderful things and that is
• 46:22
  what anchored us still, but things come harder than that can no longer come,
• 46:30
  but things that are really very strong. And where God is. And
• 46:36
  one and one would say I remember Psalm forty- two. No. When
• 46:44
  David says when my present will come before my tears, they were my bread
• 46:49
  day and night. Lord David was desperate and said I was going to be
• 46:55
  mourning for the oppression I have, the anguish I have so live the bitterly
• 47:01
  clear life. The Book of Psalms is one thing because he is a man
• 47:06
  of our dough, He is a human being like us, who has lived
• 47:10
  things. It is the wonderful thing about the word of God that does not
• 47:19
  hide the weakness of those super kings and good and apostles and prophets, but
• 47:25
  does not hide the moments of great weakness. For example, we talked about
• 47:30
  David, that the word does not hide its moment of sin, does not
• 47:36
  espouse its moment of failure or with the son Absalom, of well, so
• 47:43
  many strong moments that the word does not say as much as they are.
• 47:45
  No and that is a very beautiful thing where we can feel so identified when
• 47:52
  we go through moments, because that like us, we, the strongest feeling,
• 47:58
  stronger than that of guilt, when we lost two children, that is,
• 48:02
  it comes with the first one, but especially with the death of Ana
• 48:06
  two and a half years ago, the strongest feeling was failure, a shocking
• 48:10
  failure. But in those moments there is also an encounter with God if you
• 48:22
  seek Him from the heart, as there has never been, also when the
• 48:30
  Psalm twenty- three says that the rod of the Lord comforts you. You
• 48:36
  can experience it as flesh. That' s not how. The lord comforts
• 48:39
  you and you don' t even know how he does it, but he
• 48:45
  does it and you can keep walking and you can keep walking. And people
• 48:47
  tell you you' re very strong. It' s a lie. I
• 48:51
  say when he tells us you are very strong. I say it goes if
• 48:54
  we feel super vulnerable, s s s p s weak, and that weakness
• 49:01
  we will always carry, as long as we go with it. But the
• 49:08
  Lord is our strength and we feel as he renews our illusion for life,
• 49:15
  renews our strength. Daily. It' s a daily thing, it'
• 49:20
  s not like it is. Yesterday we talked about it with the friends of
• 49:23
  the Center and told them it is like that daily gift that God has for
• 49:30
  you that if you go to look for it, it feeds you for that
• 49:35
  day, for today, for today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, how
• 49:38
  interesting it isn' t to tell this. I mean, you say the
• 49:45
  feeling I knew up close I didn' t ana and it made me think
• 49:55
  that I was a seemingly happy girl and a creator an extraordinary musical talent,
• 50:01
  besides very pretty. But he tells me about the secret world of our children,
• 50:07
  a secret world that we can' t even the smartest can be noticed
• 50:15
  in so many cases. There is a secret world of their something that happens
• 50:20
  to them in their inner world. And Miguel and Rosa there are parents who
• 50:23
  have also lost their children now and who still find some. This is a
• 50:30
  wound, as Serrad said, not the wounds of life, death and love,
• 50:35
  not that they are the three wounds of life. Well, Miguel Hernández,
• 50:40
  but the famous poem. But that' s what you carry in your
• 50:46
  soul all your life. But there are parents who are like in a prison.
• 50:52
  The mourning is perpetuated and the anguish and so and what you would say
• 50:57
  to them, because I know you have something to tell them, man,
• 51:05
  like first, that mourning cannot be something static passive, because we are here
• 51:13
  today talking to him with you and as the listeners who are connected here.
• 51:16
  But there is also thanks to the fact that we have worked, we have
• 51:21
  done a job and we continue to do it, because we do not consider
• 51:24
  that we have already done it either. Well, it goes two and a
• 51:30
  half years ago. Personally, it was now January 10, two years ago,
• 51:34
  two thousand twenty- two. We do not consider that we have already
• 51:39
  overcome something. In fact, we believe that this is not overcome. Rather
• 51:45
  we have changed the word out to integrate, integrate our lives, not something,
• 51:51
  because normalizing a situation, our new reality. We' ve had to
• 51:57
  normalize it and above all not disguise it. We have decided that our duel
• 52:02
  will not be a disguised duel, because it is not a duel based on
• 52:07
  pills, medicines that is respectable. I am not saying that sometimes they are
• 52:13
  necessary and, of course, there are no cases and no cases. In
• 52:15
  our case we decided to give up their medications, because it is true that
• 52:21
  medications can anesthetize you a little bit and not let flow those emotions that have
• 52:27
  to be necessary, such as crying, crying, sadness, feeling those feelings
• 52:30
  of failure that lost them. That' s all normal. It' s
• 52:36
  part of the duel. The rage, the rage against everything, against us,
• 52:39
  against our daughter, Bueno Ana, if anyone doesn' t know,
• 52:43
  for them died by suicide, already committed suicide while in a shared pool in
• 52:47
  Barcelona studying music, because she that step that you said well Andés Julio,
• 52:54
  is one thing that you don' t see, not because we thought it
• 52:59
  was okay. We saw her well, we had focused her, not socially
• 53:02
  as with friends, to make a pretty social life. No, and then
• 53:08
  you don' t expect something like that, but those things we did.
• 53:14
  Now we see that they helped us a lot. We do not also surround
• 53:20
  ourselves with sincere friends, friends, to be accompanied among ourselves and with sincere
• 53:28
  friends to talk a lot. We decided that the death of our children was
• 53:30
  not going to be a taboo issue in our home. It would not be
• 53:34
  a taboo subject. It would be a topic, therefore, to speak every
• 53:37
  day, to be able to express ourselves, to be able to lend many
• 53:44
  emotions, with tranquility, with freedom, and to have much patience among us.
• 53:45
  Tozu put a lot of patience because sometimes, well, there is a
• 53:52
  large percentage of more than half of marriages living a bad picture that five percent
• 53:58
  don' t separate, they end up divorced and it' s normal.
• 54:02
  It' s normal. I don' t say it' s normal,
• 54:07
  because sadness is very deep and sometimes the processes are different, that one process
• 54:10
  is crazy the other woman and when it goes a respect, there' s
• 54:15
  no patience through it, because it' s easy for that to happen.
• 54:19
  Those things didn' t stay long, it helped a lot to work the
• 54:24
  fact that we didn' t stay stuck in our house, because really what
• 54:30
  I sometimes wanted to just stay in bed, for example, didn' t
• 54:32
  want to get up. I had a fight to get out of bed.
• 54:36
  In fact, I tell you where I' m going, if I feel
• 54:38
  like the most failed father on this earth, what am I going to do?
• 54:42
  I won' t be able to follow a normal life, but we
• 54:47
  decided to fight that, to get up and walk, to be together,
• 54:52
  to do the daily things of the day, together, to go shopping,
• 54:59
  to go, to walk more insignificant things and, of course, to follow
• 55:05
  music and all that is to express. It is something very good, very
• 55:07
  positive, very recommended, everything that is to express, express as speaking,
• 55:12
  expressing, crying, expressing, playing music, writing. There comes the idea
• 55:17
  of a book that we have no pretensions to write a book. We had
• 55:22
  never written in our lives and had little to have. We' ve got
• 55:24
  plans. The most we' ve ever written were songs. But, because
• 55:30
  this led him to write, write that emotion, those feelings, that contradiction
• 55:35
  that one feels, those things that that chaos And that worked for us.
• 55:40
  When we wrote, we' d say we had a form of crying,
• 55:45
  but it' s deeper than the soul. And there was born that book
• 55:50
  that we could also locate, because we thought that it would be good for
• 55:58
  other people to know some tools that we have used for today to be here
• 56:02
  not and to continue living well that book. I want to say something about
• 56:07
  and I was in the initial presentation of that book. I' m going
• 56:14
  to explain to people that book is essential for anyone who knows someone, who
• 56:19
  has someone in the family, who has lived it, who has tried and
• 56:22
  that is an essential book. I' m going to tell you the title
• 56:27
  may sound a little weird, but understand. I will put the book in
• 56:30
  context in Catalan there is a phrase that is very popular here, as well
• 56:36
  as very colloquial of the people of the street. Fuckin' shit, which
• 56:40
  is fucking shit, of course, that was so strong. That didn'
• 56:45
  t do colloquially, but no, no, no, without being cheesy in
• 56:47
  any way. Realistically, the subject is a family member, a very close
• 56:54
  relative. It comes and clear, evidently, a daughter after living with a
• 57:00
  little boy who had died in an accident. I didn' t go in
• 57:04
  a pool the inexplicable way, because it' s just that it was impossible
• 57:07
  to get to that place. But you know how kids are. But the
• 57:12
  case and after a few years live this tragedy with ana and then the enraged
• 57:16
  family member you say done, this is fucking shit, a green Pepa that
• 57:22
  in Catalan is an expression of regret no, and then they take the title
• 57:30
  and include it good. I tell you so many hundreds and hundreds of people
• 57:37
  who have read that book. The book is testimonial, it is experiential,
• 57:43
  it is magnificent. You can find him in the bookhouse. I have it
• 57:47
  here, there it is, it appears in many places, on many platforms,
• 57:54
  and it is a living mourning with hope. It is a book that
• 57:58
  must be read for those who are this or have friends or have lived it,
• 58:02
  do not lose sight of this book, although I already tell you the
• 58:07
  good title for a person who does not have any religious feeling, because it
• 58:12
  will not mean not to be Danil, but some will say I am scandalous.
• 58:14
  Not good. I put them in context. Uh, and they,
• 58:17
  from there, dare everything to give that name, because it' s that
• 58:22
  I would have said that as in despair, anguish, inexplicable, what'
• 58:28
  s going on here. No, but they never lost. The North assured
• 58:35
  him. I talked to Miguel and Rosa in one of the conversations that only
• 58:38
  sometimes what you wanted to be next to her nothing if you didn' t
• 58:44
  need to talk sometimes, but because I love them very much. But my
• 58:49
  wife and I, but once, when they write that thing about holding on
• 58:53
  to a burning nail, I asked them in a conversation this is like a
• 58:59
  running forward to the desperate. I mean, we' re going to run
• 59:05
  away from this because this kills us to this anguish and I understood yes,
• 59:13
  yes, without perhaps giving false explanations. They know where, to the flight,
• 59:19
  forward, to where they ran, to Jesus. It is not,
• 59:24
  it is not a topic, eh they ran and towards Jesus, both on
• 59:30
  the first occasion and on the latter, towards Jesus, his destiny, his
• 59:37
  anchor, his safe place, his strength. I know them closely. And
• 59:45
  this because now, now, in that new version, the book, the
• 59:50
  popular music, the concerts, so many people who listen to you. And
• 59:54
  when people hear the stories, I' ve been in places where they'
• 1:00:00
  re playing and suddenly there' s like a silence like people give up.
• 1:00:07
  It says this is incredible, it is humanly unbearable and this also gives hope.
• 1:00:15
  To those who are desperate, right, yes, yes, pink Ay
• 1:00:22
  Miguel How it happens. That happens at concerts, because when, as always,
• 1:00:28
  there is some song that used to be to Juana, now it is
• 1:00:32
  to Ana that we dedicate it to them and that helps us a lot.
• 1:00:37
  It' s those little things that are done in mourning, that help pay
• 1:00:42
  homage to those who have left. And well, for us, every concert
• 1:00:46
  is a tribute to our children. Many times we dedicate it before starting the
• 1:00:52
  concert to say, because we dedicate it to anais and then we always dedicate
• 1:00:59
  something to them a song. And there is a song that is dedicated to
• 1:01:04
  Ana that we always sing, which is called worth living. We' re
• 1:01:08
  talking about ours, this testimony and this process that we' re going through
• 1:01:15
  in mourning and of course, it' s true. And clear people empathize
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  with you, especially those who are parents. But, well, people listen
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  and emphasize with you and say I know I don' t understand how you
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  can later. Well, a woman didn' t tell you about it very
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  recently that she also lost a child, but by accident and the husband and
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  she was telling us that I don' t know how you can sing and
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  be like this. Well, and I told him, then, because the
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  truth is that we can sing, because we have faith, because we firmly
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  believe we have the firm conviction that they are waiting for us, that we
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  will come to them again when there is some shadow of doubt, we return
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  to the Lord and help us maintain and preserve this faith until the end,
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  until the day we leave. And but this hope of seeing them again encourages
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  us and not really is such a great hope that good also gives us within
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  pain and sadness, because we also have that joy that we have this hope
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  and we can give thanks that we have hope, that we continue to live,
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  that we continue to have illusions to live, illusion for life, illusion
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  to continue walking, illusion to continue fighting and, well, that we can
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  give many thanks. How nice to hear it, how nice to see it
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  and live it like this in the midst of suffering, emotional, psychological shifrin
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  of all kinds. You have finished a course or you are kind of a
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  master' s degree that has been very intense, very deep on the subject
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  of suicide. Tell us a little bit about it. Yeah, yeah,
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  the truth is we were already doing it. We already felt that a little
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  bit like the need to be able to help, we didn' t want
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  to help young people, people who are perhaps the most asked. And seeing
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  that suicide is still a rather taboo andial subject, the truth of ours is
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  also, because we began to talk, to talk to young people and we
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  are going to go to groups, to some institutes, even to talk about
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  young people before third and fourth of that and we saw that it was very,
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  very necessary and many young people, because they have no answers, but
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  they have many questions, then we believed that yes. We had the experience
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  of what happened to us in our house. He has titled this interview through
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  the fall shadow of death, death needs us. Well, our children,
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  too, our parents, died to do little too. But well, a
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  father' s death gets tangled up in the different one, because it'
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  s like it' s something more natural than it already normalizes it. It
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  ' s because he plays he' s not an age, a son.
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  It' s like he' s saying wow this has happened here. No,
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  this wouldn' t touch now. But that did not come to feel
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  the need to form ourselves from him, because we had the experience, but
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  we did not have the training. And that' s why he saw it
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  very interesting to do this course that honestly, it' s a very powerful
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  course of many hours and we had our doubts whether we really could or not.
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  But the psychologist I was carrying, let' s say, is already
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  the course. He knew us. We also met in Madrid, in a
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  kisa to Furum that has shared our experience and we consulted him how you see
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  us to do this. You see him very strong at this moment for us,
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  two years ago our daughter died and he told us not having met you
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  having you. I' ve heard you talk and I think you can do
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  it, you' re prepared and although it' s really been hard because
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  every time you talk about this topic like if the wound opens, why.
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  But we saw that it was very good to have tools to be able to
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  speak, to be able to name what we are feeling, to what we
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  have experienced. And we just finished it right now. And the truth is
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  that we' ve learned a lot of things that they didn' t know
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  before. Hopefully, we would have known this before not by making signs,
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  by making risk factors, as prevented, even focused on suicide prevention, because
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  look good in the whole world and in the first world very good and in
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  all the worlds good, perhaps in the worlds yes, it is a global
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  issue. But in our country, so many boys and girls and in so
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  many cases there is no one. Maybe if you don' t know,
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  it' s not easy to spot. There are cases that are like manifestos,
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  but it was not the case, for example, of Ana. And
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  then clear and how important it is and I celebrate and congratulate you on the
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  desire to help others doing this over effort through the book, through a high
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  level of rigorous training to have powerful tools through music and concerts, where they
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  are also very popular and there is a lot of musical creativity and a great
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  enjoyment. But at the same time there are moments where you also break in
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  a little bit, a testimony and people, and many people feel concerned,
• 1:07:17
  many people feel conternity for someone in the family, for a friend, for
• 1:07:23
  someone very close. So, because it' s a real concern, it
• 1:07:30
  ' s a global epidemic. So I really congratulate you and congratulations on doing
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  this job, on helping people. That' s the reason I know it
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  ' s really moving you. We also believe that it has a sense of
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  doing so. We do not believe that one thing that we always thought and
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  apart from our prayer to God, was to tell him, please, that
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  all this at least we understand, but it is, please, make sense,
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  not that we can in RNS s NS. There came a time when
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  we no longer ask God so much, because sometimes God does not respond or
• 1:08:11
  does not respond at the moment you desire. At some point where we said
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  well, we understand that perhaps it is not the time to have the answer,
• 1:08:19
  but yes, please help us to what we are feeling, what we
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  are suffering, because the shy ones make sense. I don' t have
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  one for which it can' t be used and it can be benefits of
• 1:08:30
  others. And that is why we decided to be what we are in the
• 1:08:34
  form of reform. Well, we' ve also learned that suicide says the
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  typical phrase of formation. This is nobody' s fault, but it'
• 1:08:48
  s all our responsibility. I mean, it' s not just health care
• 1:08:55
  or psychologists or it' s responsibility for everything. No, because we have
• 1:09:02
  a generation of young people with many mental problems and that is the responsibility of
• 1:09:10
  society as a whole, not just hospitals or psychiatrists, but society as a
• 1:09:15
  whole. Well, if we have been trained to have tools and how interesting,
• 1:09:26
  the music, the concerts, the street that I love about you,
• 1:09:30
  well, in the Community, your Community, I would like to hear how
• 1:09:35
  important a Christian Community is at any time of crisis, of high voltage and
• 1:09:45
  I know your Community, well, it is very close to my heart too
• 1:09:51
  and it has been a therapeutic community. Brotherly love, right, true love,
• 1:09:57
  brotherly, right? A lot, a lot is what he said that
• 1:10:02
  makes the big difference between a duel being sick and being traumatic or a healthy
• 1:10:13
  duel. The duel must be spent the same. But if people have a
• 1:10:17
  year and understand you and support you, because it is much healthier, grief,
• 1:10:24
  yes it is how important it is surrounded by that spiritual mattress, emotional
• 1:10:32
  and friends, friends, companions, deep friends and respect of people yes and
• 1:10:43
  practical love, because the truth that at the moment one thinks it is of
• 1:10:51
  no use, like that you are not very useful going to visit someone who
• 1:10:59
  is going through a moment like this, it does not seem like I sometimes
• 1:11:02
  felt like that, well, what it will serve, tell him something or
• 1:11:05
  go to see him. But we have experienced more help than you think.
• 1:11:14
  Not just like just counting ben being by your side. Not sometimes it'
• 1:11:17
  s not about talking, but being by your side and saying look who.
• 1:11:20
  Today I don' t know what to tell you, because I don'
• 1:11:24
  t have to go through, but here I am and you can count on
• 1:11:27
  me for whatever my hand is doing. That' s a tremendous help and
• 1:11:30
  then it helps to practice. For example, someone who' s coming says
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  hey. It doesn' t tell you, well, find yourself one day
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  we' re going to eat. No, no, he doesn' t
• 1:11:39
  say such a day we' re going to eat and he has a date
• 1:11:43
  already directly, because he knows that, maybe, you' re not even
• 1:11:45
  strong enough to like a day or dare in that moment of so intense pain
• 1:11:50
  and so beautiful people who came and said hey this day let' s see
• 1:11:51
  you. It comes well, we want this day to go to a restaurant
• 1:11:56
  and we invite you to eat, to be together, to chat how good
• 1:12:00
  practical love. I don' t remember saying that my sister was a sleazy
• 1:12:05
  sister of our community, who shared every Wednesday to bring to our house a
• 1:12:13
  potato tortulla made by her potato maker, and every Wednesday she was faithful to
• 1:12:18
  the hour in the afternoon she came with her sweet potato corpiedity. I left
• 1:12:23
  it there takes things like that from areas like that, not so pretty that
• 1:12:30
  you say funny the practical love, the practical details that is that someone how
• 1:12:36
  nice. He hears songs. I remember, you talked about worth living that
• 1:12:41
  song, but also hidden reasons. Not a song that seemed almost like I
• 1:12:48
  didn' t know it and pretend it for comfort and hope in the middle
• 1:12:54
  of a situation that would come soon after not and then I' ll resist
• 1:13:00
  in the middle when you sometimes say good, I can' t anymore and
• 1:13:04
  it collapses the whole and doesn' t get into the bunker of life and
• 1:13:08
  says good. Here I am, and to God, let it go as
• 1:13:14
  it is then. But it' s important because sometimes many people' s
• 1:13:19
  lives are blocked forever by these traumas. Not then the songs, the music
• 1:13:27
  and above all the popular music, is that your style is peculiar and the
• 1:13:30
  people who hear us, those who know you, know you, love us,
• 1:13:34
  we are passionate. But that close popular style or lyrics that suggest things
• 1:13:41
  of life, feelings, intimacies that allude to divinity, but in such a
• 1:13:45
  way occasionally and very intelligent, without that it is something lazy and as very
• 1:13:53
  proselytizing, which is not the way. Then and people are left unabated and
• 1:14:01
  then, in the good popular moments, with the Celtic music now or with
• 1:14:08
  the accordion or with the violin, with your instruments, now we have translated
• 1:14:15
  into the gaita, the gaita, this, this more Celtic, cannot be.
• 1:14:20
  Uh, so there aren' t so many Celtic music bands in Spain
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  either. There is a section of the short Celts that, by the way,
• 1:14:30
  the short Celts mentioned to you as territorially on some occasions of the past.
• 1:14:36
  Hey, I remember in your good times. Not because there isn'
• 1:14:45
  t that much Celtic music in Spain, is there, and there aren'
• 1:14:49
  t that many. No, but there is. Perhaps what there are are
• 1:14:54
  more traditional, more traditional type where good has in your space, has your
• 1:14:59
  hij exam. But if it is true that what we do, that fusion
• 1:15:03
  that we have, because it allows us to play in many places, it
• 1:15:08
  is not either a festival foll either because one like now, for example,
• 1:15:13
  the Fira de hace sans or it is a festival of beer or a festival
• 1:15:16
  of wine, for example, or medieval or above all in the medieval fair,
• 1:15:21
  which that is a lot, not and we fit a lot. All
• 1:15:24
  this stuff that we really fit together. Yeah, yeah, hey, Miguel
• 1:15:28
  and Rosas. He spent an hour here talking. It' s that listening
• 1:15:36
  to you and when there are people who say I want the book good.
• 1:15:40
  Please buy the book. They can find it in the gutter. I'
• 1:15:45
  ve already told you. I' m gonna put him up on the wall.
• 1:15:47
  Ours to see and tell what the book is called. Well, he
• 1:15:50
  ' s already telling them the story so they can sit down. But they
• 1:15:57
  will understand many keys besides the interview, because, Miguel Rosa, thank you
• 1:16:02
  for being as you are of a species. I don' t think it
• 1:16:13
  ' s very common. Well, there we are, then, walking through
• 1:16:19
  that valley of shadow of death. Not really. Thank God, because with
• 1:16:25
  our gaze on him, Jesus, our gaze shows Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,
• 1:16:30
  Jesus is the polar star of our life. And thanks to him,
• 1:16:39
  because thanks to him who conquered death. We no longer see a death as
• 1:16:43
  an end of nothing, but on the contrary, an end of a stage
• 1:16:45
  of affliction, but a beginning of a new stage, without pain, without
• 1:16:53
  singular affliction, a moment of precious earthlyity. Seeing our children face to face,
• 1:17:00
  look at so many people who are no longer here that they are gone.
• 1:17:03
  For us, death is the beginning of something very beautiful that we hope
• 1:17:08
  will come one day. We' re in no hurry. We want to
• 1:17:12
  walk the road that remains with our eyes on him and take advantage of each
• 1:17:17
  day so that we can carry hope where there is no hope and if our
• 1:17:23
  life can go out for something, for it is our greatest privilege that he
• 1:17:28
  can use us and as he wills there is in his will. Of course,
• 1:17:30
  that' s ours isn' t the end. Thank you very much.
• 1:17:33
  We balm them of the grace of Jesus, of the grace of God.
• 1:17:36
  They' re balms. This is how the aloe vera from heaven will
• 1:17:42
  tell someone in my family, he will see almost everything crazy, not rigid
• 1:17:45
  and such not. This is the aloe vera of heaven, but deeper,
• 1:17:49
  is not the grace of God, which is grace, which is a balm
• 1:17:53
  of the soul and which is true and true. It is not a chimera,
• 1:17:58
  it is not a milonga, it is not very true, because,
• 1:18:04
  dear ones, I thank you very much for your public appearance. I know
• 1:18:06
  this does a lot of good to a lot of people, because I'
• 1:18:11
  m sending you a very, very affectionate hug. Thank you, an English
• 1:18:14
  hug. He loves us very much, friends, even always chao or the
• 1:18:42
  train of life, life, even if the sun shines and gives moon,
• 1:19:00
  the night is extinguished, even if they are denied by the sea and an
• 1:19:09
  abyss crosses. If I will not meet in Fina, I will rejoice,
• 1:19:18
  and in the face of the war I will smile, though the bird sings
• 1:19:32
  to you, and a thick mist merdeje, though the fire no longer warm,
• 1:19:43
  it is hard for me to breathe, I will not give in,
• 1:19:53
  I will rejoice, who loves you I will smile, I will not give
• 1:20:03
  in, I will resist, and, in the midst of the new test
• 1:20:08
  to overcome, I will not look back. We will cross the valleys and
• 1:20:17
  the great finite cities, plains, endless mountains, under which not of stars
• 1:20:27
  come the sun of flame, we will open the way, although we are
• 1:20:39
  sold, we are pilgrims, see these seasons the arrows, my words,
• 1:20:49
  my masto music. I will not return, I will rejoice, and before
• 1:21:18
  the war I will smile, I will not surrender, I will resist,
• 1:21:29
  and in the midst of the trial I will overcome to buy the newspaper,
• 1:21:55
  to go to the people next door, to get rid of the traffic jams
• 1:21:59
  to lower the trip to lose you. It doesn' t matter why you
• 1:22:00
  use your bike or where you go with it. What matters is that they
• 1:22:03
  circulate as far to the right, that you can see with reflective elements and
• 1:22:08
  that you do not use headphones that prevent you from hearing the rest of vehicles
• 1:22:12
  on foot by bike, by motorcycle or and car. What we want is
• 1:22:15
  for you to arrive at the General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior,
• 1:22:20
  Government of Spain. You know we' re on Facebook. You know we
• 1:22:25
  ' re on Facebook connect between the train of life is and follow us and
• 1:22:42
  follow us and we' re in a total summer station. Hey, that
• 1:22:46
  ' s it. This is summer, and a summer is coming It'
• 1:22:54
  s coming a little. He put it on like they say. Down there
• 1:22:56
  not strong, 40 degrees this week. It seems that forty- seven are
• 1:23:03
  being advocated. Well, good God help us. It' s starting.
• 1:23:09
  The heat is starting a little later than usual, and that goes well with
• 1:23:14
  us. Let' s hope not, that it doesn' t end too
• 1:23:21
  late, neither about the summer. How to take care of our health in
• 1:23:27
  summer. In some summer tips for the care of our health. Drink plenty
• 1:23:33
  of liquids, even if we don' t have to avoid drinks with coffee,
• 1:23:40
  alcohol or sugar, which can favor dehydration, reduce intense physical activities,
• 1:23:45
  outdoors during the warmest hours, look for shade, cover your head, wear
• 1:23:50
  light and light colored clothes and also fresh footwear, elementary things. Not good.
• 1:23:57
  The other one, rock you know, a good friend. The other
• 1:24:00
  Rock is a very multifaceted man, in addition to being a great doctor,
• 1:24:03
  very dear, with an impressive professional career as a pastor doctor, a pastor
• 1:24:13
  in practice, I told you, a pastor of these who are for the
• 1:24:17
  work, and also a man licensed in theology and other things that always make
• 1:24:26
  us that when he speaks, there is an authority of knowledge of what is
• 1:24:32
  being talked about and we talk about practical issues. We have asked you for
• 1:24:35
  your help as always, and I welcome my good friend, Dr Modesto Roca.
• 1:24:40
  Good morning, Modesto, Good morning, Dear July, Good morning,
• 1:24:44
  Audience, How about Modesto the summer as well, so far we go with
• 1:24:49
  a little delay in the heat last year. The heat started in June.
• 1:24:55
  The strong heat. Right. Yes, this year is a very special year,
• 1:24:59
  not because notice even the first days of July has rained that it is
• 1:25:05
  for me has been exceptional here in the surroundings, that we are with very
• 1:25:11
  mild temperatures, very pleasant. Now it' s when you start hitting hard
• 1:25:15
  and when you have to take some precautions. Of course, yes, certainly
• 1:25:20
  in summer. It' s good, it' s good, summer is
• 1:25:25
  a very light- hearted time, very unscathed, very much so that we
• 1:25:30
  all go as we go, not because we want not also and we go
• 1:25:33
  looser. But summer also has risks with respect to our health that we sometimes
• 1:25:40
  do not realize and some summer precautions for health must be taken into account.
• 1:25:48
  You can give us some guidelines. Yeah, you know that humans, well,
• 1:25:56
  some are stronger, some are weaker. It is also closely linked to
• 1:26:00
  age and conditions. A child has less resistance than an adult and a very
• 1:26:08
  adult adult has less resistance than a young adult. We' re not going
• 1:26:13
  to put the sixty- five- year limit there. There are people who
• 1:26:15
  are sixty- five years old who are very active, even at seventy,
• 1:26:21
  but normally we fall into energies, that is, the body becomes less resilient.
• 1:26:28
  This means that we have greater cords, greater body care so that we
• 1:26:33
  can enjoy the summer. I would say with harmony, without frights and the
• 1:26:41
  big topic you mentioned just now is to face the heat as good a good
• 1:26:47
  hydration, especially water, if it does not look like a pathology like diabetes
• 1:26:55
  or hypertension, that they take diuretics and, therefore, they have a greater
• 1:27:00
  risk of having a problem secondary to the lack of fluid intake. True,
• 1:27:06
  drinking plenty of fluids, avoiding alcohol. That, of course, alcohol is
• 1:27:12
  bad to see. We are not now going to immunize alcohol in all situations,
• 1:27:18
  but it is to be of an extraordinary califying influx, because that vasodilator
• 1:27:26
  and, therefore, can also have very negative effects. The subject of clothing,
• 1:27:32
  you said it quite rightly. A light dress doesn' t look very
• 1:27:39
  good to go to high- copete restaurants and go in shorts, but down
• 1:27:43
  the street is very good. Yes, I remember years ago an experience we
• 1:27:47
  had in August was in the famous United States Vegas. We were going with
• 1:27:53
  my wife, my youngest son and we were going, so, like tourists,
• 1:28:00
  short pants, shirt, short sleeves and we went to a place that
• 1:28:04
  you would all have seen in the cinema, which is kind of a flying
• 1:28:11
  saucer, which is on top of a kind of ze Worlds topo pole.
• 1:28:13
  It' s called the top of the world, it' s called too
• 1:28:17
  high, so high that when it' s up, it' s a
• 1:28:20
  restaurant, you' re looking at helicopters that smell of height, height.
• 1:28:24
  And I remember how good we went on a tourist and when we arrived a
• 1:28:29
  lady who played metre wow father would not accept us if I didn' t
• 1:28:34
  wear a long sleeved shirt and well I had to give in. Logically,
• 1:28:39
  I ceded and everyone put us on the other side of the dining room like
• 1:28:44
  the stinks, because we didn' t carry on the mat, in the
• 1:28:48
  elegance that the place required. No, but, well, I told you
• 1:28:51
  look at you guys in Europe we' re like that, uh, fresh.
• 1:28:57
  In summer we wear much lighter clothes and aptly the color, dark clothes.
• 1:29:03
  You know black preferentially absorbs heat, absorbs a lot of energy, and
• 1:29:11
  that' s going to be harmful. Note that in the very warm countries,
• 1:29:15
  Cuba, countries say they are in the torrid strip, they are going
• 1:29:21
  to wear white clothes, linen clothes, which is very fresh and white,
• 1:29:25
  because it reflects sunlight, and that will keep the temperature cooler. Therefore,
• 1:29:31
  a good hydration, a proper clothes and then avoid. Avoid. I would
• 1:29:38
  say mostly heavy jobs people who are working in the field, in construction.
• 1:29:45
  Well, all this staff. I think it' s more or less regulated
• 1:29:49
  by law, but I don' t know if it' s very successful
• 1:29:55
  or it had to be improved so that those people could enjoy themselves. You
• 1:30:00
  have to work in the cool hours, a little bit in the Andalusian custom.
• 1:30:03
  You know they' re very smart in these Andalusians. Last week we
• 1:30:06
  were in Granada with my wife. It was a personal matter and from entry
• 1:30:13
  to temperature was elevated. But you know the heat there is much more echoing
• 1:30:16
  than here in Catalonia. Here the heat twenty- eight degrees you are already
• 1:30:19
  unable to stand and there thirty- two, thirty- four cuts it very
• 1:30:25
  well and at hours of intense sun you do not see a soul in the
• 1:30:28
  street. All over the world is covered restaurants, houses, places, fresh,
• 1:30:36
  and that is highly recommended. Do not do sport, do not go
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  by bike, do not make special efforts in times of maximum heat, why
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  because of the risk to heat stroke. Heat shock, and this we have
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  experienced every year in the area that I am now, which is a medium
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  - temperate help zone, but in July August it can hit hard and every
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  year we see some case in emergency heat strokes. People who have breathing problems
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  or older people are more likely to experience heat shocks than body temperature rises above
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  40 degrees. True, and then we get into a problem, notice that
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  our body temperature doesn' t reach thirty- seven, thirty- six with
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  three, about thirty- six with two. That would be an average already
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  when we went up thirty- seven or more than thirty- seven, we
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  already sweated. But when it comes to a point where our organism already exceeds
• 1:31:46
  its regulatory capabilities, that' s when we run the risk of heat stroke,
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  then it' s tired. There may be nausea and vomiting, there
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  may even be with may have lost consciousness, there may be a flushing of
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  the face, there may be a lack of perspiration, because the body will
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  no longer give more of itself. And it' s a danger, a
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  mortal danger, danger to run, you have to put the person in a
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  cool place, you have to apply cold cloths to him, you have to
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  make him drink liquids and call emergency and move him, because sometimes he runs
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  at risk and, in fact, notice. Every year people die for this
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  cause and not a few Sometimes thousands of people die from excess heat. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. I' ve seen data in Europe on heat strokes.
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  Besides, Spain is a solarium. When it squeezes the heat in everything
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  it is bathed by many seas and the subject of solar exposure that does not
• 1:32:59
  abuse the solar position. This in the sun is certainly look. I am
• 1:33:04
  very white skin and I have already developed two skin cancers. Glory to God
• 1:33:09
  I' m cured is fine, but and I' m not a person
• 1:33:14
  to stand there like lizards in the sun. I make an extremely equated use.
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  But, well, there are more delicate skins. Very white skins and
• 1:33:23
  catalog in four degrees, one or two, three four. The whitest skin
• 1:33:29
  the Nordic skin, as it is grade one. Black people would be gado
• 1:33:33
  four, which are less at risk, right, but skin cancer is very
• 1:33:39
  common. In fact, look at something curious. It was the year of
• 1:33:45
  the pandemic, which, due to the lower exposure of the sun under skin
• 1:33:49
  cancer. I' m speaking in general in the country. The pathology statistics
• 1:33:54
  of our country were down because people were more recuperated at home. Then the
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  sun and I remember very striking cases I remember two sisters already advanced. I
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  ' m talking about two women over eighty twins, I mean, identical.
• 1:34:13
  The one was very fond of sunbathing all her life and the other quite the
• 1:34:16
  opposite. And you saw one and didn' t seem to be eighty years
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  old, it seemed that she was one hundred and twenty years wrinkled past and,
• 1:34:28
  instead, the one who didn' t take the sun fresh piece to
• 1:34:34
  raise the importance of the sun, of the excess of the sun. Obviously,
• 1:34:35
  we cannot avoid it, but we do have to take precautions. What
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  you said before the clothes there I would add a hat, an elongated hat,
• 1:34:45
  especially the affected parts. And in summer we have the tendency of short
• 1:34:50
  sleeves, but careful would be more able to a long sleeve. Of course,
• 1:34:56
  of a tissue that transpires and that does not incise on the skin directly
• 1:35:00
  the sun rays. Yeah, yeah. It is also important because in addition,
• 1:35:05
  the problem of extremely common skin cancers in all doctors in life we see
• 1:35:12
  with some frequency some of these cancers. Or we suffer from it They'
• 1:35:17
  re pawns. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, to keep in mind
• 1:35:20
  also sunscreen creams It is also very important this to help us. And then,
• 1:35:30
  the subject of the bathroom with precautions. There' s good, I
• 1:35:33
  don' t talk about the drownings that already occur in children and teenagers bazaar
• 1:35:39
  and sometimes in older people because of recklessness, and parents have to be very
• 1:35:44
  much in the care of children who drown in a plis plaush. Yes,
• 1:35:47
  I think it is also a problem of education on the part of parents,
• 1:35:53
  who are directly responsible for grandparents. I remember my father, my grandmother,
• 1:36:00
  going to the beach in summer, to the beach we had, as well
• 1:36:06
  as excursion that was done at that time. I' m talking about many
• 1:36:12
  years ago, it was Ashiches, province of Barcelona. We were on a
• 1:36:15
  bus on that road of curves and that day we were burning alive because there
• 1:36:21
  was no knowledge and we all ended up with one with fevers, with an
• 1:36:26
  installation. I remember having suffered that in my childhood out of ignorance, but
• 1:36:30
  there was another fact that yes, that was that the elders recommended it and
• 1:36:39
  it was to keep the time. After having eaten to get into the water
• 1:36:43
  directly and when you entered the water, do not go in suddenly, do
• 1:36:47
  it little by little so that the body acclimatized to the temperature of the water,
• 1:36:51
  so that there was not that shock that caused the problem and there could
• 1:36:58
  therefore be a fainting, a lipothymia, obviously, in the hypothymia inside the
• 1:37:01
  water. Outside the water, because look you fall to the ground and little
• 1:37:05
  thing, but inside the water, because you drown and it is very important
• 1:37:12
  to also drink very cold drinks, very cold and you throw the swimming pool
• 1:37:15
  at once wow, that the thermal shocks Look. I remember once a few
• 1:37:21
  years ago I was traveling in the bird from Barcelona to Madrid for a medical
• 1:37:29
  congress. I had to go to the Loves with cans to Madrid and went
• 1:37:33
  in the car that they call silent. I don' t know if you
• 1:37:38
  know or sometimes there I went and you' re going great because you can
• 1:37:43
  ' t hear a good fly. If there is a fly today, all
• 1:37:45
  of a sudden, the speakers ask if there is a doctor, if there
• 1:37:47
  is a doctor who please, who comes to the car like this and I
• 1:37:51
  wake up and run and I find a young man of less than forty years
• 1:37:58
  who had ingested a day there was a bottle of orange juice, quite abundant,
• 1:38:04
  very cold at a stroke and, as I said well, a digestion
• 1:38:12
  cut that was worth once seen to the cause, it was not difficult to
• 1:38:16
  solve the problem. But if drinks are too cold on an empty stomach or
• 1:38:23
  if you drink something very cold and get in the water, you have to
• 1:38:26
  be very crisp. Yes prudent, because you run a risk the sudden change
• 1:38:30
  of body temperature with food and colors must be taken into account and then the
• 1:38:36
  subject of meals in mayonnaise and all that kind of issues that danger. High
• 1:38:45
  danger. If we buy products as they are processed, they already have their
• 1:38:54
  preservatives, obviously, there the risk decreases dramatically. But if they are the
• 1:38:59
  typical Mayans in those homemades, or the famous Aliyolli that is consumed here in
• 1:39:03
  our area with garlic is the sweetest, but with garlic that is very rich,
• 1:39:11
  true according to that you accompany it, but recently, you have to
• 1:39:15
  consume it. And if you' re going to spend some time since it
• 1:39:19
  gets consumed, immediately put your food in the phygorific, don' t leave
• 1:39:25
  it out of the fridge. There are people who have the little awareness that
• 1:39:31
  they' re going to leave it at these high temperatures on the table,
• 1:39:35
  in the kitchen, or wherever, and they' re going to spend time
• 1:39:42
  And that' s already the bacteria that have reproduced and they' re going
• 1:39:46
  to give you a bad feeling if they don' t give you something worse.
• 1:39:47
  The famous gastroenteritis, the famous diarrhea that we see mayonnaise, we see
• 1:39:56
  it in meats, we see it in fish, we see it in everything
• 1:39:59
  that leads to egg and, of course, also in certain restaurants. Years
• 1:40:03
  ago, there was a diarrhea that we called the daily Chinese restaurants that were
• 1:40:09
  being provoked. It was produced by rice that had already fermented outside of refrigerator
• 1:40:13
  and ate sack and in the bas like street lamppost. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to take care of this issue
• 1:40:24
  as well and then there are other aspects that have to do now, not
• 1:40:28
  so much with the somatic question of the body, but yes, with the
• 1:40:32
  question of summer it has many attractions. It is a beautiful time to also
• 1:40:38
  rest, renew, mountain, beach, family, friends, good rest,
• 1:40:44
  meals well in a way also prudent, but a little bit more loose.
• 1:40:50
  But I have spoken many times about living a spiritually refreshing summer, because also
• 1:40:57
  the desires of the eyes, the desires of the face, as John says
• 1:41:01
  in his epistle, and the boastfulness of life in summer is also greatly enhanced,
• 1:41:09
  true for reasons, everything on the beach, everything on the beach,
• 1:41:14
  on the beach where you see certain absolutely powerful girls. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:41:18
  you got to control, yeah, that impudent wish. No, yeah.
• 1:41:25
  The truth is that summer is wonderful, because we can have more time of
• 1:41:31
  a vacation time, a relaxing time is a good time to share with family,
• 1:41:38
  with friends. It' s also a good time to get some good
• 1:41:43
  books. I like them every summer. Now I have a good book that
• 1:41:47
  was given to me by a dear pharmaceutical friend, from a stone pharmacy that
• 1:41:56
  ' s your grandfather. I think it was his father, his father,
• 1:41:58
  not his grandfather, his father. He was one of the doctors who introduced
• 1:42:01
  you to penicillin in Cataliña the other day we were tabling and says Mira,
• 1:42:08
  I want to give you away. I want you to have it and give
• 1:42:11
  it to me and I' ll read it. I' m looking forward
• 1:42:14
  to having time to win the book and be able to read it. It
• 1:42:16
  is not worth books of history, books novels, books of literature, but,
• 1:42:23
  above all, the book of books, this one cannot forget dear Julius,
• 1:42:26
  the book that emanates life in itself, which is the word of God
• 1:42:30
  And I, well, I am preparing, as we all pastors do,
• 1:42:36
  the message on Thursday. Today we have the Bible study. On Sunday we
• 1:42:42
  have the message of the word of the Lord and there is the Lord showed
• 1:42:48
  me a very interesting facet and that I would like to tell. You know
• 1:42:53
  that humans work by imitation. Parents are imitated by children, for s u
• 1:42:59
  ns and for bad it is worth then I discover in me characteristics of my
• 1:43:05
  father, some that I hate do not like and then I have them.
• 1:43:09
  Me. There is an imitation also in the scriptures. We found a lot
• 1:43:16
  of characters. We can talk about Abraham. Abraham was a great man,
• 1:43:21
  a great man of God, but careful Abraham was a man who also in
• 1:43:27
  his life had sin. We can talk about King David wow what a piece
• 1:43:31
  of king, what a wonder of man and winning the battles, but one
• 1:43:38
  day he fell in love. The thing was that impudence we used to mention
• 1:43:41
  of a good girl and God, the one who messed up, had the
• 1:43:46
  husband killed. First a strategy to see if they could get him drunk,
• 1:43:50
  if he could see that the girl' s pregnancy was her husband' s
• 1:43:55
  instead, or a machination. And well, we could go through Jacob,
• 1:44:00
  we could pass through Paul, through Peter, and none of them, none
• 1:44:06
  of them is a normative life. The only normative life for the Christian is
• 1:44:13
  Christ, the only life worthy of being invited in all its facets is Christ.
• 1:44:18
  And this took me. He took me to Matthew' s Gospel.
• 1:44:21
  You know that Matthew' s Gospel is written under a very clean theological line.
• 1:44:30
  It is the gospel written by a Jew for Jews and begins to look
• 1:44:34
  at the first book and the first gospel that is in a new testament.
• 1:44:39
  And when you read, especially when you have in depth a connoisseur of scriptures
• 1:44:43
  you realize that Matthew contains five messages, Five great messages from Lord Jesus.
• 1:44:50
  The first message is well known, it is the sermon on the Mount.
• 1:44:54
  Then there is a second message that begins in chapter ten and so on.
• 1:44:59
  But each of these messages is linked to the five books of Moses, to
• 1:45:02
  the so- called Pietateuch, to Genesis, to Exodus, to Leviticus,
• 1:45:08
  to numbers, and to Uteronomian. So the message of Christ on the Mount,
• 1:45:16
  the sermon on the Mount, is linked to the Book of Genesis And
• 1:45:23
  it is very interesting, because what the Book of Genesis tells about the beginning
• 1:45:27
  of life. And when one meditates says caramba mateo five or six and seven
• 1:45:32
  is the beginning of spiritual life, how should the life of the Christian really
• 1:45:38
  be what the Lord shows us And there is good, things that we have
• 1:45:44
  already said. And I' m going to mark one that seems especially relevant
• 1:45:51
  to me, and it' s the anxiety, that disproportionate concern that humans
• 1:46:00
  have, that I' ll eat that dress up with whom to pay the
• 1:46:02
  rent. How am I going to cope with the expenses, how am I
• 1:46:09
  going to cope with my life? And, well, that situation that sometimes
• 1:46:16
  gets complicated by diseases, with deaths, with breakdowns. And the most important
• 1:46:25
  thing is to live life and live life in fullness. And then, the
• 1:46:30
  ultimate example to imitate and seek in every moment and in every situation is Christ.
• 1:46:35
  And there' s his message not to worry, not to worry,
• 1:46:48
  not to accumulate wealth, not to covet the things that someone else has even
• 1:46:59
  notice. There' s something very deep in there. When he says you
• 1:47:02
  have watched the birds of the sky do not cultivate, they sow us and
• 1:47:11
  your father, who is in the sky feeds them And well, here I
• 1:47:15
  have the privilege of living in a rural area And there, in the courtyard,
• 1:47:20
  there is a kind of area that is, as I would say,
• 1:47:27
  with a metallic cloth and already a couple of times this spring summer I have
• 1:47:34
  been able to catch a bird trapped in the gate, in the metal cloth
• 1:47:40
  and you take it and think, Holy Father, what a wonder, how
• 1:47:45
  it can this, that weighs twenty grams, have this knowledge, that it
• 1:47:51
  can fly and that it can jump, that knows the dangers and knows what
• 1:47:53
  to eat. And well, she shows it to my wife, because she
• 1:47:56
  likes little animals a lot, too, and then we let him go.
• 1:48:00
  And those little animals who feed them, who takes care of them. The
• 1:48:06
  Lord and the Lord keep saying and he seems very shepherdish. This looks like
• 1:48:13
  a field thing. He talks about lilies, flowers and there my wife is
• 1:48:17
  very fond of flowers. I have a garden towel that looks like a flower
• 1:48:21
  forest and they' re all different. They' re all beautiful, they
• 1:48:28
  ' re all beautiful, they' re all dressed in bright colors and at
• 1:48:32
  times and you don' t see them anymore at night because they' re
• 1:48:38
  already drying up, but tomorrow new flowers spring up again. And well,
• 1:48:41
  the women, more than the men, are much given to clothes to dresses.
• 1:48:46
  Hey, there' s no more beautiful clothes than flowers. There'
• 1:48:49
  s no greater beauty. And this gives God something that is born and dies
• 1:48:54
  in one day. And that says how God won' t take care of
• 1:48:59
  you. And to me this seems dear Julio so relaxing in a position of
• 1:49:04
  a believer. I don' t find it so relaxing because I think good,
• 1:49:12
  my God takes care of me for what I' m going to live
• 1:49:15
  in anguish if I retire, if I don' t retire, if I
• 1:49:17
  ' m going to have, if I' m not going to have?
• 1:49:18
  Because I saw God is the God of the calculator. That' s how
• 1:49:24
  Pastor also tells you sometimes I think there are parents. This is how we
• 1:49:27
  ' re gonna stop rent. Well, sir you have the calculator and the
• 1:49:30
  last day appears on the church account exactly the money it takes to make the
• 1:49:36
  payments. I say well, Mr Gloria your name, because I couldn'
• 1:49:42
  t pre- render this. And so it is in everything, and it
• 1:49:45
  is a recommendation, brothers friends who can hear me seek God and trust him,
• 1:49:53
  because the care of birds, take care of the flowers and how it
• 1:49:56
  will not take care of us, that we have greater value. Oh,
• 1:49:59
  that' s what our dear and remembered Jordi Rotch said. If he takes
• 1:50:04
  care of the birds, he will also take care of the privilege of knowing
• 1:50:10
  Jordi roth and of being a doctor What characters, yes or what songs.
• 1:50:15
  It' s wonderful, too. Play that song, not that song.
• 1:50:19
  I don' t know if there is as we speak, alex the good
• 1:50:26
  girl has another one planned, but that' s a very nice song by
• 1:50:28
  Jordi Rotch. And how beautiful the example you set to trust God in the
• 1:50:33
  things of life and that is real. Hey, fifty years later we give
• 1:50:40
  good, because you and I are the same age and we almost have very
• 1:50:44
  parallel lives of many things and we are friends, friends of true friends then
• 1:50:50
  and we have told each other a lot of part, that we have lived
• 1:50:56
  many battles together of faith, but we have told each other many things and
• 1:51:00
  the truth, after so much Lord You say, is that it is so
• 1:51:02
  real that we have to live it. People do not know that real Christian
• 1:51:06
  life, living with Jesus, is a passionate life, is an obvious life,
• 1:51:11
  has repercussions, but he is and cares for us and provides us and
• 1:51:15
  comforts us and lifts us up when we fall a thousand things and is real,
• 1:51:21
  it is not imaginary, it is not an imaginary god that you want
• 1:51:25
  a mental film. And not Jesus is a real god, he is a
• 1:51:29
  God of miracles, he is a God who loves you, he is a
• 1:51:31
  God. The other day I meditated on salvation not and came to the confusion
• 1:51:36
  that if he had had to die for me alone, he would have done
• 1:51:41
  so. I' m absolutely convinced. But he didn' t die just
• 1:51:45
  for me. He died for all human beings. But you have to give
• 1:51:49
  your life to him in order to enjoy his presence in your life is wonderful.
• 1:51:55
  Mr Yes, that' s right, that' s right, he
• 1:51:57
  ' s a dear friend. Hey Finally, you mode this you are a
• 1:52:02
  pastor, being with people, apart from that your passion for professional vocation is
• 1:52:08
  always well known to us and many patients. But the issue of being there,
• 1:52:16
  in the city of martorey, a very industrial city that, by the
• 1:52:19
  way, there are not many evangelical churches There, curiously it is a city
• 1:52:26
  I always say that there we have a bridge of the Devil and a church
• 1:52:29
  of God. That I like that phrase, because the Devil' s bridge
• 1:52:32
  is true and that of God' s Church is also true. And it
• 1:52:35
  ' s a church that' s cost a lot. That Martore Church is
• 1:52:40
  over eighty years old. He has suffered struggles, calamities, problems and there
• 1:52:46
  we remain dear July in Martorel, a beautiful city not far from Barcelona.
• 1:52:55
  It has two large urban centres. Let' s say the classic core,
• 1:53:00
  the vila, the new core. It' s also very industrial. They
• 1:53:03
  are constantly creating new jobs, making it a living city and the truth is
• 1:53:11
  a pleasure working in that city with those wonderful people, with those wonderful neighbors
• 1:53:15
  that we have truth and we are there. Well, now we' ve
• 1:53:23
  changed premises. It' s gonna be the year we' re in a
• 1:53:27
  new vowel on Sanyores or Toons Street, number five from Martorella. There'
• 1:53:31
  s your church, your house. If you want to visit us, it
• 1:53:36
  will be a pleasure so dear friend. Well, then modest, thank you
• 1:53:41
  so much for being with us and I' m passing on to my friend
• 1:53:47
  one of the songs of one of Jordi Rotch' s songs, to see
• 1:53:54
  if I don' t know if Alex can put them here in our remembered
• 1:54:02
  Jordi Rotch. Well, then, I am sending you a very affectionate hug,
• 1:54:10
  just as I am Julio, a strong and affectionate hug for you.
• 1:54:14
  I do, too. I greet the audience you gave. Thank you,
• 1:54:17
  thank you. This man premes who died in I know that when he died
• 1:55:04
  he gave him the sidewalk says it gives him the light of good. I
• 1:55:21
  see I' m saved. I think that this one I think that in
• 1:55:41
  my sucito today I am bli rocho love modre commbre or the borque of so
• 1:56:11
  much love motorcycles I am so queño and so serious before your great creation I
• 1:56:30
  know that I am so poor Moreta was the man you I my evil until
• 1:56:54
  Christ looked like and taught me the verhereda does not concretize. Cris isn'
• 1:57:08
  t my video, which is from the cina playing us on the route of
• 1:57:29
  Armen Sboy Dan Feley i dead Bo. It was great to say this is
• 1:57:55
  what Luis, Juanjo' s friend, said to prevent him from mistreating his
• 1:57:58
  partner. When there' s abuse in a couple, it' s not
• 1:58:04
  just couple stuff. Don' t allow gender- based violence. Call zero,
• 1:58:08
  sixteen there is exit, Ministry of Health, Social Services and Equality Government
• 1:58:13
  of Spain. This is a lonely little calita from some corner of Spain.
• 1:58:16
  It is surrounded by vegetation and its water is crystalline that when you are inside
• 1:58:21
  you see perfectly your feet. The sand is white, thin and clean.
• 1:58:27
  It' s a wonder and you know why this hottie is like this,
• 1:58:30
  because you can only get there walking is worth coming, but if you do,
• 1:58:35
  walk by respecting the rules of circulation, because summer is full of life
• 1:58:40
  and lives. Directorate- General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government
• 1:58:43
  of Spain. You travel on the train of life. Ladies and gentlemen,
• 1:59:11
  we are in good company. We are with Pastor Noemi Cortés, who is
• 1:59:18
  the pastor of the Vanganic Church of Grace, but also especially the mention of
• 1:59:24
  today, regarding her being the President of the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia,
• 1:59:29
  an institution with a very long historical trajectory, defender of the rights of Protestants
• 1:59:36
  and of the language, of the Catalan language, of the precious Catalan language,
• 1:59:41
  and that has been awarded with the Onceavo Memorial casiayus which is a high
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  - level award that has had echo in the secular press, in the vanguard,
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  in different media religious Catalonia and also in protest before digital evangelical news and
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  in our media, for being a remarkable news for the trajectory, the work,
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  the good doing of the Biblical Institution of Catalonia, presided by pastore noemiy
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  Cortés and who we have here already this morning, good morning, to noemí
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  Hello good morning. How we are. It is not often that a good
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  woman in some respects yes, but a woman pastor, president of a foundation
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  institution already in her time, Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia, who has been
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  awarded a high distinction that the generality grants and that will take place, in
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  addition, the delivery of this award, this award at the palaut of the
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  Hgeneralitat of Catalonia, at the Grazas in Yauma, this Thursday at 6 p
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  m, before the authorities the Vice President of the Guber of Catalonia, Laura
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  Vilagra, who will give this award to President Nemy Cortés and also, because
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  there will be other representatives of the Protestant world and, of course, also
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  our admired and also forum of the Protestant world. I am Luis Caro Rovira,
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  who will also have some introductory words in this regard. How you feel
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  in this case, as President of the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, with
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  this award noe me, I feel very honored, very grateful and very happy.
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  At the first moment it was a surprise because they took him very quietly
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  and very hidden, because after that, when it was published, I began
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  to get the congratulations of many people who were on the jury and who knew
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  it, but who were all very cautious to say nothing. Therefore, it
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  was a surprise, a very pleasant surprise and another reason to thank our God,
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  for it allows us to be present in society, not only to move
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  within what the evangelical people would be, but to give visibility to this people
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  within society. That' s right, tell us a little bit for our
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  hearers of the train of life. What it does, what it represents and
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  what is the origin and trajectory of the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, the
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  Ibec that you have been presiding over for some years now. Leibn was born
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  at a difficult time, so to speak the full Francoist dictatorship nation. He
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  was born in it officially in a thousand nine hundred and sixty- sixties.
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  But already in the nineteen hundred and sixty- five he published the first evangelical
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  hymnal in Catalan of the Vanchalica Biblical Institution of Catalonia. He collected some hymns
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  that had been translated earlier, including some from the 19th century in Catalan and
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  others that were being made. We had seven stage editions, the last one
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  was in the year nineteen hundred and ninety- seven. If I remember correctly,
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  and we have several hymns of which we could call traditional classical hymns of
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  the whole evangelical people translated into Catalan from French, from English or from German
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  or even Spanish to have them in our language. The great objective of the
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  biblical institution was to offer the Catalan evangelical people tools to live their faith in
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  their language and what is more important for the evangelical people to sing and read
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  the Bible. Then we put, or well, they put those who started
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  their best effort in being able to offer, as these hymns, these biblical
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  texts in the Catalan language, as well as to edit a magazine that was
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  born in the year sixty- eight. If I remember correctly, that is,
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  that we have already been with her for a few years and in order
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  to be able to be the spokesman of the Catalan evangelical people and to give
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  voice to the different people who can, can or want to communicate with her
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  at the same time that she is the spokesman of the institution the Bible,
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  because it took many years because, evidently, in Francoist times by the people,
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  just like now, the pastors and the people who were doing these translations
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  worked on what they could and then did the translations in their free time,
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  so they first went out in separats with different people who had collaborated, and
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  by the end of the year two thousand we could have the Bible in full
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  in Catalan in a translation made entirely by evangelical people, such as Pausais and
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  Samuel Sais. Here we can say that it was the culminating moment, because
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  really for the poor evangelical, because having the Bible in our language is what
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  we wanted the most, but we did not stay here. From here on,
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  we thought more about offering other materials so that people could continue studying the
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  word, and then they started working on the interlinear translation of Greek texts.
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  Then we have the new Greek interlinear testament Catalan. And now, when this
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  one is out, we keep thinking that then we need to make the old
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  will. And now we' re working and some volumes have come out because
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  they' re coming out for books. And now we have several volumes of
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  the ancient interlinear Hebrew Catalan testament. So we continue also now we are preparing
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  hymns that would be what we now sing, but we can offer them so
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  that the churches will also have them and be able to present them on social
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  networks as well. But recordings in quality so that they are not made in
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  any way, so that the churches can also satisfy this moment of praise and
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  worship. Or even when we are at home and we feel like listening to
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  music, because we can also enjoy ourselves, being able to have on social
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  networks not only to have secular music, but also to have evangelical music in
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  Catalan which interesting promoters of the project in those years. Well, the Catalan
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  Protestant world is a world for many who do not know and well dated also
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  by the historian and former vice president of the Gubert of Catalonia, Jose Huitzi
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  Carol Rovira to the Catalan Protestantismal countries. Catalan Protestantism comes along, with its
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  values and also forerunner of many progressive issues in Catalan and Spanish society. Also
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  true, the Protestant world. Yes, yes, it really is a very
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  unknown subject, both for the people of the street, so to speak,
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  but also for the evangelical people, because sometimes people think that we have just
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  arrived now, that we have just landed now in society. And the truth
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  is that we have been here for many centuries in the Middle Pass is that
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  throughout these centuries, there have been many problems in the 17th century. Then
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  we had the Holy Inquisition. Then we had the persecution for not having religious
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  freedom. Then we had a religious freedom in quotation marks, which allowed some
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  things, but not all. Then we have a civil war in which the
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  Franco era closes all the churches and the evangelical people are not allowed to meet
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  or just express themselves, expressing their faith with what leads, as we all
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  know, to many persecutions, to fines, to imprisonment and, in some
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  worse cases, to the death penalty. Therefore, we can say that this
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  subject so unknown and that we carry as basic things as education could be,
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  that evangelical people could not be educated in schools because they have no faith of
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  baptism. That is as important and as necessary in society as education or the
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  fact of being able to bury a family member because he was not Catholic and
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  not allowing them to be buried if it was not in the part that they
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  ultimately managed to prepare themselves apart from normal cemeteries. To put it that way,
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  then all this has led to the Catalan evangelical people and I imagine that
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  just as it has happened in other parts of Spain, because we have had
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  to be very resistant, we have had to be strong, we have had
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  to move forward and not let ourselves be intimidated by everything that happened to us.
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  So, all this, I believe, also influences the character of the
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  evangelical people. I always think that when Leibec started, he started as he
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  founded and began in the sixty- sixth year. One thousand nine hundred and
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  sixty- six were in the Francoist era and the group of pastors or leaders
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  who at that time decided to start the Cortés jal, Banjami Planas were Joan
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  Balés Galmés well, a number of people who were inside the evangelical churches here
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  when they gathered in a house, not in a church, They gathered in
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  a park. They gathered in the park of the tape of it, a
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  park that is where Calzó is from Barcelona and where there is also a Castrense
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  church, that is to say, it is quite a place for that,
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  but it is the doors from where the Parliament Catalonia is, where our government
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  is, and there they met. But they met there. Apart from the
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  symbolism we could say, meet at the door of Parliament. They also gathered
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  outside a church to avoid getting into trouble or endangering the pastor or that community.
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  So, now perhaps it seems to us one thing, because we would
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  say almost very nice to meet in front of the parlamen because of the symbolism
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  that for Catalonia has. But I thought they did it to avoid endangering people
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  or a community, because it also tells us a lot about the situation in
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  the country at the time. It is interesting to see that the identity of
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  the people goes angelic Protestant understand that Protestant of Catalonia and want to preserve his
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  identity. Where is the greater identity of a people than in their own language,
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  a millennial language such as the Catalan language and wanting to transmit to their
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  culture and to their society, also in the version of their own language,
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  the Gospel message, the biblical message, And this has been the struggle to
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  make known the evangelical faith, of course, but also in their own language,
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  mother and own identity, and this has a very commendable value, the
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  struggle to reach the people of your own country, of your own place,
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  of your own identity. Then the Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia, which has
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  been awarded with the Onceavo Memorial cassia Ius, will have this guarantee where it
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  will be delivered on Thursday, 18 July, at six o' clock in
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  the afternoon, in the Palau de la Generalitat by the Vice- President of
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  the Alguberde Catalunya, Laura Vila Gray, and where there will be different personalities,
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  also with the President of the IBEC here, to whom we are interviewing
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  from my courts and also other representations such as I am Luis Carro Rovira,
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  who had a previous Parliament speaking on the importance of this award, and also
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  the Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia has had such distinguished mentions as the creuda of
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  San Jordi, and I also remember your father of Angel Cortés, an authentic
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  fighter for faith and also for the identity and the Catalan language to make it
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  known to the people of Catalonia that this is so legitimate. And then he
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  was also distinguished with the belief the highest honor of Creusan Jordi, which is
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  one of the distinctions and, not to say the highest truth was at an
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  important moment when my father gave him the creuda San Jordi, because he was
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  given it because of the work he had done for the Catalan language and dissemination
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  within the evangelical people as a person, as a tireless worker who always was
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  and that, because, it was the beginning of saying so of the prizes
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  that came, because later, in the year ninety- seven, the creuda
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  Sant Jordis gave it to the Bíblica ben Chalica Institution of Catalonia also to give
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  this diffusion and to work, to offer for the Catalan people these means to
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  live the faith in their language, to spread the Catalan language to all the
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  world and also to spread it to society and to be able to offer the
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  gospel, but in the language of the people. From here on, we
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  ' ve always been working on how we could. There have been better moments,
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  worse moments, There have been hard times when they began to die,
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  because all the people who had started this path, because obviously, people get
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  older. But from here on, we had to start taking over in a
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  more remarkable way and before we were working a little lower under their wings,
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  because we had to start to fly and get our hands on and start working
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  differently. But the idea is to move on, as long as the Lord
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  allows us. And, therefore, because we continue to move forward in a
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  way perhaps more open or more modern than there was at that time, because
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  times change. But here too I think it is important to mention that when
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  they died, well my father passed away took stain on my flats the relief.
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  When he beat my flat, it began to be said that he already
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  felt older to be in front of the institution. Yes, he continued to
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  work, evidently, very faithfully, with the whole subject of the magazine and
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  everything, but he did not want to be in front of it. The
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  assembly that was organized voted for a woman and I have to say that the
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  people who were at that time there were many older people and, therefore,
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  and I think they demonstrated once again the courage that there is characteristic of the
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  Biblical and Angelic Institution of Catalonia to be able to put a woman as President,
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  because of course it was the one that he represented and they were very
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  used to that they had been already important pastors, whether my father or people
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  of renown eat the blan already my Planas and suddenly put in that moment a
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  younger person like me, who comes or pulls forward and we trust you that
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  you can do it. And that I think is also a citation of this,
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  because the people who voted for me, most of them were people.
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  Major were men, and most were men. And at this moment we have
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  the Presidency I and the other Presidency, which is that of the editor of
• 2:17:37
  the magazine presente se Vangelica, also takes it to a woman who is Mary
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  Elizabeth Mary Planas, with which we can say that it is an entity that
• 2:17:46
  we are very clear that we can all work, provided that this one works
• 2:17:52
  for the work of God. In this sense, the Catalan Protestant world is
• 2:17:58
  the interclassist, because this is demonstrated by another worldview of the spirituality of the
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  faith. Unlike other confessions that traditionally the man is the protagonist of everything absolutely,
• 2:18:11
  the woman is relegated to a second, third or fifth or flat.
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  And this, too, must be celebrated. But also the magazine Presistencia Evangelicala,
• 2:18:24
  a magazine for the speaker, besides with articles I remember. In fact,
• 2:18:28
  I have collaborated with some of the articles with Benjami Planas and a very
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  pioneering magazine, a magazine also with a biblical, theological and intellectual level of
• 2:18:45
  magnitude Evangelical Presence, since how many years, since more than fifty. If
• 2:18:52
  I remember correctly, it seems to me that it began in a thousand nine
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  hundred and sixty- eight to be published and has been published uninterruptedly since then
• 2:19:05
  it comes out quarterly and has never stopped publishing. I remember that when Joseph
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  Luis Carol Ruira made the presentation of his book, because he cited us as
• 2:19:18
  an example of a written magazine, a published magazine, one of the oldest
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  that continues to come out in Catalan in a faithful way, coming out every
• 2:19:35
  quarterly, with which I believe that also here is to thank this work,
• 2:19:39
  that it is not easy to carry the magazine, but that with it we
• 2:19:46
  want to be the spokesman, obviously, of the institution, because it is
• 2:19:52
  the magazine that we have to be able to bring out the issues but also
• 2:19:58
  the spokesman of the Catalan evangelical people. We say that it is available to
• 2:20:03
  everyone in order to be able to offer us their articles that you have published,
• 2:20:11
  it has published many people and we want this to continue, because we
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  always say that the institution is open to everyone, that it has no denomination,
• 2:20:22
  it is interdenominational is so that everyone can express his voice and be able
• 2:20:30
  to say a little, speak and explain what his heart has at that moment.
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  So I think it' s important that this level. Evidently, publications
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  always try to have, as you say, a level. We cannot publish
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  anything, because what we want is for them to keep this level high and
• 2:20:52
  also doctrinally, that is correct. We don' t want anything published there
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  at all. We want it to be doctrinally at the foot of the Bible.
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  Therefore, be correct, then it is very important for us to maintain
• 2:21:09
  this level. But the evangelical people do feel that they have this magazine so
• 2:21:16
  they can use it. It was very important, for example, as well
• 2:21:22
  as an example, during the time of the covid that unfortunately many people went
• 2:21:30
  to the presence of the father without being able to be dismissed, without being
• 2:21:37
  able to have accompaniment, without anything, and we tried to give them a
• 2:21:45
  voice in the magazine talking to the families and paying them a small tribute,
• 2:21:52
  because at least the families felt the accompaniment of the evangelic people at that time
• 2:21:52
  so hard. For example, that was another way to make this magazine available
• 2:21:58
  to everyone. And I think it was a beautiful moment within the sadness and
• 2:22:05
  everything that we went through, but to be able to feel that people felt
• 2:22:11
  accompanied at a time that they could not be next to the people that had
• 2:22:15
  left them. Therefore, we do not believe in a closed magazine that we
• 2:22:20
  publish it four people or three I do not publish in each issue. No.
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  No, it' s not this idea. The idea is a magazine
• 2:22:30
  that has a level that is pleasant to the eye. That is why we
• 2:22:35
  have the two youngest people who take care of the whole subject, more of
• 2:22:39
  layout or edition, but who are the spokesperson of the evangelical people, because
• 2:22:48
  we believe it is important to give this voice to society. How many things?
• 2:22:52
  How many things? How many, how many jobs, how much presence,
• 2:22:58
  raising the voice through that of the written media, to make known the
• 2:23:05
  message of the Bible in the Catalan language when this was alatemized, especially during
• 2:23:15
  the Franco dictatorship, and to make known the catal language in the language of
• 2:23:18
  a people, of a people who have their own language and, of course,
• 2:23:24
  notice. There are eight million people living in Catalonia and many do cultural
• 2:23:31
  immersion, but Andorra, the Balearic Islands and Valencia, for the also linguistic
• 2:23:39
  echo, and such more than ten million Catalan speakers direct, to a greater
• 2:23:46
  or lesser extent at least look if the subject matter is very important. Therefore,
• 2:23:54
  the evangelical Biblical institution of Catalonia has done an enormous work for many years
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  through its publications, and we have also seen the magazine Evangelical Presence Evangelical,
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  which has also been very interesting. And it remains so, because Noemi and
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  Cortés, President of the IBEC in the Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, And also
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  with this award we will enjoy this day, this Thursday in the Palau de
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  la Genalidad, which is a great honor to be there, to receive this
• 2:24:35
  award so deservedly a recognition of a whole trajectory, of a struggle for the
• 2:24:39
  spread of the word of God in Catalan and for the Catalan people, of
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  course, wonderfully done, for it is a pleasure to be able to enjoy
• 2:24:52
  this award and also to be there that afternoon, this 18th of July,
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  at 6 p m, in the Palau de la Genaridad, the Plaza San
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  Jaun and where we will also be accompanying you with great pleasure, of course
• 2:25:05
  that yes to me many thanks. Thank you. It is a pleasure that
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  you accompany us on that day, because for us it is very important,
• 2:25:13
  for the institution, it is very important this day, but I also think
• 2:25:18
  it is very important to offer this vision of unity of the evangelical people when
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  there is a reason for joy, just as we can do on multiple occasions,
• 2:25:28
  but above all to do so in the Palau de la Gianalidad. To
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  be able to offer this image of unity of complete joy among all, which
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  no matter what denomination or who you are or who you are or who you
• 2:25:43
  are, but the important thing is that we are all to abandon this very
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  thing, God, and that it is a cause of joy that when we
• 2:25:52
  are enjoyed, for we all enjoy. And I really want to thank you
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  from the depths of my heart, because it is that day that you accompany
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  the institution and that you are at our side, because it is an important
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  moment and always be well surrounded by friends and people who love you, because
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  it is the best we can have. Yes, of course, well,
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  many congratulations. There is no courtesy of me, President of the IBEC,
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  for this reward and God, through it we will be there soon. Thank
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  you, see you soon. Thank you very much. A kiss on the
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  train of life life life, there' s a thief trying to steal me
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  two wants. Whoever compares me to us says the blessing is made of gold
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  silver, but I have another or treasure is that my happiness cannot be named.
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  Either that or you just have to remember. I' m more than
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  blessed, I' m more than loved if I have a cricket, I
• 2:27:18
  don' t need anything. I am more than blessed or meaningless. I
• 2:27:24
  ' m more than senuro, I' m more vigo, richer in the
• 2:27:39
  world and they' re cheating on it' s okay. If I don
• 2:27:43
  ' t sound on the radio, I don' t have to fernate and
• 2:27:46
  my role in my home and family and Christ will suffice me as I don
• 2:27:54
  ' t know happy if it' s FREE and better to give that I
• 2:28:01
  received that already convinced me more than bless, know more than loved if you
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  don' t or nothing else wrong. I' m more than blessed or
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  make sense of it. I' m more than hard. I' m
• 2:28:13
  the richest man in the world? Maldo is that my happiness cannot be bought.
• 2:28:39
  It' s simple. Just remember. I' m more than blessed.
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  I' m more than love. If I have a pussy, nothing
• 2:28:52
  goes away. I' m more than blessed, even if you don'
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  t have to feel it. Have more than that. Not rich, so
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  rich son in the world. You may go cooler in summer with shorts and
• 2:29:24
  T- shirts, but think that nothing is as hot as the touch of
• 2:29:28
  asphalt with your skin. In fact, hug the biker, don' t
• 2:29:33
  notice. The skin on the road wears proper clothes, because summer is full
• 2:29:35
  of life and lives. We' re all going next to you. Directorate
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  - General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. Sixty
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  - eight percent of minors have consumed alcohol in the last month, their continued
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  consumption causes physical harm and causes family conflicts, but calm. I' m
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  sure your daughter doesn' t really drink minors without alcohol, educate, report,
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  prevent Government of Spain. The train of life, an exciting journey along
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  the routes of the heart, an unforgettable trip at the rhythm of trem or.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, we are already in the colors of life. Life
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  has so many strokes, so many reliefs and so many perspectives that we really
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  have to learn to live, to learn to live and to overcome the contingencies
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  of life, sometimes predictable contingencies, but many times not predictable. Unpredictable,
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  things that displace us in life and that we meet again with ourselves and with
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  our destiny. Well, it gives us a great difficulty, for example,
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  in the case of starting again after a divorce, something that for us is
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  significant, the commitment, the marriage bond. Couples, in fact, will
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  see it from another point of view, but it' s kind of like
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  marriage. But we talk about marriages, as God commands what we should know
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  to start over after a divorce. Well, some keys we have today.
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  Judith proposes to us five points that we must know deeply not to repeat in
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  the next marriage the same ending that we have had in the previous one or
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  in which we might have. According to statistics, we' re more likely
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  to get divorced again if we come from a previous divorce. This tells us
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  some statistics a little jinx, but they suggest that there is a high chance
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  of getting divorced again. If we come from a previous divorce, well,
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  we' ll see where. It is true that Judith helps us, and
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  this leads us to question why, for that is what we are going to
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  ask our favorite psychotherapist of the train of life, who is Judit Cacho,
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  Judith gas O. Good morning, very good morning, Julio, well,
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  why? Why? These statistics, which are a little bit, a little
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  gaphis, tell us that we can reproduce the pattern, because in reality it
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  is one of the great reasons why it is easy to repeat the pattern is
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  because many times people do not really question what has failed in us, but
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  we usually wonder what has failed in the other. One of the things that
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  happens with divorces precisely because it has to do with a form of living together
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  and learning to be next to the eight of the other, learning to live
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  together, and not simply in the state of falling in love in which we
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  all begin, but then it involves a series of responsibilities, it involves a
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  series of care, it involves taking into account the other, even if I
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  don' t want to take it into account or when I don' t
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  want to take it into account, but always take it into account, because
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  it is a travel companion or a travel companion of the maximum possible length.
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  Not really. Then one of the things that happens is that, when we
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  have already experienced a divorce, it means that this way of generating that coexistence
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  that we make with the other person of walking through our life or throughout our
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  entire life with that partner or that companion, we have not been able to
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  establish it correctly. I always say that problems in a breakup of a couple
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  relationship, not just well. On the one hand, it is true that
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  many times responsibilities are not equitable, that is, we do not have fifty
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  - fifty percent responsibility for each other. But many times to one of the
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  things that happens is that, maybe, one of the couple has only a
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  ten percent responsibility to a twenty percent and the other has the other ninety.
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  That' s right. It is true that there are completely symmetrical jars,
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  where one has generated many conflicts and the other not so many. But in
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  reality, in a relationship of couples, the two parties always have part of
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  responsibility and there are a series of behaviors that the two have carried out,
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  which have generated and continue to generate that marital failure, a patrimonial breach that
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  is a divorce. It' s not really a failed marriage failure the couple
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  agree, although we don' t like to see it that way when we
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  say divorce, like we have so bad and we know that there' s
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  something that' s not working well or that we' re doing well.
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  One of the things that we like when we say divorce is today look it
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  happened to me. I didn' t expect it A guy never starts wanting
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  a divorce, and that' s true. What happens is that sometimes we
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  realize that the problem of failure is that there is something that we have not
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  done well, of agreements always have to do with both. Now, why,
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  why this trend than if I have already made a mistake or there has
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  already been a failure in my previous marriage, how is it that there are
• 2:35:24
  more chances, more vulnerability and statistics, there is more chance that another divorce
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  will relive than not that I will not live it again, as one of
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  the great reasons are the life scripts and our burdens. If our script made
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  us unable to maintain a marriage and we didn' t detect it and we
• 2:35:46
  changed that script by knowing it directly and disobeying it, it' s one
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  of the things we' ll see today. We will repeat the same problem,
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  because we will be repeating the exact same thing as repeated in the previous
• 2:35:58
  marriage. Maybe not in very practical behaviors. Perhaps there are a number of
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  behaviors that we have not repeated, but yes our script, our way of
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  feeling, our way of reacting to certain circumstances, certain conflicts, is repeated
• 2:36:09
  again. And the other is the dread that gives us as a society,
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  to look at our failures, because we are afraid to look at that failure
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  to find mistakes that have to do with our responsibility, therefore, with our
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  guilt, and to change them. In fact, if we thought that every
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  time we look at our mistakes, the goal is simply to change, and
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  not that no one accuses us of guilt or that someone will recriminate us or
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  treat us badly precisely because we are guilty, but if we knew that every
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  time we look at our mistakes. The goal is to change. We'
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  re probably not that scared. The problem is, no. It is that
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  we are in society where when someone fails in some area and therefore, it
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  means that he has made a mistake and it has not come to him or
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  the expectation he had about what he is doing, for example, marriage,
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  the expectation of being able to maintain that marriage for the rest of his life
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  and be able to take care of each other and be partners until old age.
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  That expectation is not fulfilled because we have made a series of mistakes in
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  a row and it has been made that objective that does not reach, that
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  we do not reach it, that breaks down the road. We would need
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  to be able to look at it, know how much I' m responsible
• 2:37:20
  for that failure and be able to change, although it was only ten,
• 2:37:22
  twenty percent of what I' m guilty of. I need to be able
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  to know what, in order not to repeat the same kind of script usually
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  after a divorce, the only thing we heard from both sides of the couple
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  that has broken up is that the other one has torn me apart, that
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  she is an evil one, that he has mistreated me, that he has
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  never wanted to change him, or that she has never wanted to change,
• 2:37:45
  or that she has always controlled me. But it' s very difficult,
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  or everyone tends to focus on what the other one didn' t do right
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  and it' s not what we haven' t done right. So never,
• 2:37:54
  ever really ever in consultation less yet have I ever heard anyone sit in
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  front of me after a divorce and tell me honestly and hurt this and this
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  other? And this other one? And I want to fix this in my
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  life because I don' t want to keep committing their horrors. Never.
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  It' s not like I' m talking about one percent, zero or
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  ten percent. It' s just not that anyone' s ever, ever
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  sat with that honesty in front of me and was able to tell me if
• 2:38:20
  I think I' ve done something wrong. And that shows us the difficulty
• 2:38:22
  of looking at failure. And if we have trouble looking at failure, we
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  will never be able to change, and therefore we are doomed to repeat the
• 2:38:30
  same mistakes. Okay. So, so you tell us one is one of
• 2:38:35
  those that, so these people tell us we realize that problem, that we
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  haven' t just started, that we don' t realize where the mistake
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  is and that we' re not willing to look at our own life.
• 2:38:46
  And that always, always, will always bring us consequences every time, because,
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  as I have told you, the breaking of a relationship is always because
• 2:38:54
  the two have part of responsibility, even if it is not separate equals,
• 2:38:58
  because we both have to be clear, of course, of course, also
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  the idea I find myself as a counselor also that the people who have suffered
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  the handicap this, for reasons are different, it does not find it difficult
• 2:39:18
  to overcome the burden that carries emotional and psychological. It costs a lot and
• 2:39:20
  some people more than others it leaves them as emotionally crippled for some for a
• 2:39:26
  very long time. True to true, to come back to true. The
• 2:39:31
  divorce problem is this. That' s why I don' t think it
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  ' s God' s idea. It doesn' t make much sense because
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  it breaks us in such a way and destroys us in such a way,
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  because in reality it did, I put all the expectations that that relationship of
• 2:39:48
  couples will work and in believing that when that person has promised me fidelity,
• 2:39:52
  he has actually promised it not half- promised or promised it good until it
• 2:39:56
  suits me, or good until you don' t give me trouble or until
• 2:39:58
  I feel good, but theoretically that commitment we make. That is why those
• 2:40:03
  vows are so important and those vows are those that, always, espue,
• 2:40:05
  when there is a divorce, are constantly resonating in our head and resonating and
• 2:40:11
  we stay at that first point in blocking. But this person promised me,
• 2:40:13
  but I didn' t expect this to happen to me. It' s
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  true, it' s like a grieving process, like when we lose someone
• 2:40:20
  with the difference that we lose, but we keep seeing it, or we
• 2:40:26
  keep having some kind of contact, or, for example, we have children
• 2:40:28
  in common. So, we' ll need to keep seeing each other.
• 2:40:31
  That results in the scar taking a long time to heal. But it'
• 2:40:35
  s also true and you have to be very honest about that, that if
• 2:40:37
  we' re able to get into the divorce process, look at it from
• 2:40:43
  the inside with magnifying glass, with someone of great confidence, with someone prepared
• 2:40:46
  for it, uh, it doesn' t help anyone. Then we are
• 2:40:48
  not served by the colleague with whom we are going to take the beers to
• 2:40:52
  help us through this process of agreement, because we do not trust him,
• 2:40:56
  but because there is not the preparation of agreement, but if we need to
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  investigate, deepen what happened to this divorce, what happened to the other,
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  what happened to me that I have done and what I can change, because
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  one of the things that most pain makes people who have lived in divorce is
• 2:41:09
  not only divorce, but the feeling of condemnation that I have experienced this,
• 2:41:13
  that I am broken, that there is something that never again will be equal
• 2:41:16
  to that feeling of failure. And the problem of the feeling of failure always
• 2:41:22
  comes. Why don' t we go to the end, because we see
• 2:41:24
  failure from afar and say uy. I' ll take out ado and stay
• 2:41:28
  here. But in reality, failure is enough. We don' t need
• 2:41:31
  to look at failure. What we need to look at is how I can
• 2:41:33
  change it. When we give a person the hope of being able to change
• 2:41:37
  and avoid and understand the reason for the breakdown of that marriage, when the
• 2:41:41
  person truly understands why he or she understands, how much he or she is
• 2:41:46
  responsible and understands how to avoid it. The person overcomes that pain. But
• 2:41:50
  since this costs us a lot. It is true that as concessors, it
• 2:41:54
  also costs us a lot when we go to the person so broken to be
• 2:41:58
  able to say good. But we need without leaving in what you think is
• 2:41:58
  not you also did well, then it costs us. It' s hard
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  there, right, it' s very hard to do or it' s
• 2:42:05
  difficult. I mean emotionally to do it. But if we do, the
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  proof is that people heal before, go through the process before, and restore
• 2:42:13
  their lives before. Is that a reality? Yeah, yeah? Like this?
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  Is that so? It is recommended that we consider what are the scripts
• 2:42:22
  or patterns of our life. Explain to us again what these scripts consist of,
• 2:42:28
  those patterns that you don' t talk about on some occasions, and
• 2:42:33
  how to discover them because in reality, the scripts we call scripts or patterns,
• 2:42:39
  because in reality, when we are born we have a kind of White
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  Paper, which we always say is a book in which there is nothing written
• 2:42:46
  and when we live together and live in our family environment, certain phrases are
• 2:42:50
  written for certain events. Affective deficiencies, i e lack of affection or lack
• 2:42:54
  of respect or care, lack of protection or overprotection, lack of trust,
• 2:43:00
  lack of parenting telling us whether we know or do not know how to do
• 2:43:07
  things. How well we know what to do, what our abilities are,
• 2:43:11
  how to spend time with us, how to give us not just virtual affection
• 2:43:16
  and affection, it' s no use, just telling a three- and
• 2:43:18
  four- year- old boy I love you if I' m not going
• 2:43:22
  to be playing with him for a while, because he doesn' t understand
• 2:43:26
  the depth of that word and the pact we make before what we say.
• 2:43:28
  I remember, therefore, those affective deficiencies and those deficiencies in the care that
• 2:43:31
  we have all experienced, because our parents could not have been perfect. It
• 2:43:35
  ' s impossible to be perfect and try to do it by annuating us that
• 2:43:39
  if it doesn' t always effect. I' m failing, and I
• 2:43:41
  ' m horrible. It doesn' t help, either, because it blocks
• 2:43:43
  us more than it makes us flow naturally. Te. I agree, but
• 2:43:48
  it is true that since we have not had perfect parents, it is inevitable
• 2:43:52
  that we have certain shortcomings, some more than others. It' s clear,
• 2:43:54
  because there are parents who have been able to do a little better than
• 2:43:56
  others. Okay, there are also parents who have been taught the best and
• 2:44:00
  that is also a reality. Not then, in front of those scripts,
• 2:44:03
  because of the urge of these affective deficiencies, the person has written something a
• 2:44:07
  reaction. Life scripts usually tell us what attitudes or actions or behaviors, what
• 2:44:13
  things can happen to me, what I should react to, how I should
• 2:44:16
  feel, how I should respond to life scripts. Here' s what they
• 2:44:22
  tell us. I remember then it is a problem, for example, in
• 2:44:26
  front of the script of life, of a dad, for example, who
• 2:44:30
  works many hours that have not taught us or have not taught him to be
• 2:44:33
  affectionate, to give affection, to give hugs, to kiss, to say
• 2:44:37
  I love you, to play with me, to lie down on the ground
• 2:44:39
  and to be with me. One of the things that happens is that if
• 2:44:41
  he' s a busy dad and he has an office at home, when
• 2:44:45
  we go into the office, the dad always gets it is a moment that
• 2:44:46
  ' s not over. No, no, don' t wait later no,
• 2:44:50
  when we eat well, it' s all dish with you, which
• 2:44:54
  is very heavy these phrases, even if they seem grotesque to us. When
• 2:44:56
  someone says naja without out of contexts, we say them a lot and when
• 2:45:01
  we say them, we teach something to the child, you bother or you
• 2:45:07
  are a burden or when you have the need for affection of affection with the
• 2:45:13
  other, if you don' t do something that suits him, if you
• 2:45:18
  don' t do something to help him or if you interrupt me you are
• 2:45:20
  already rejected. What it means is that in front of the feeling that later
• 2:45:22
  on in the couple, for example, my wife or my husband answers me
• 2:45:28
  there are affections that I am making bonding. Let me just for a moment,
• 2:45:31
  I can' t now what you think we' re gonna feel,
• 2:45:35
  because the life script will tell us one. My husband or my husband is
• 2:45:37
  rejecting me. Two. They don' t care about me or what I
• 2:45:41
  need. Three. I' m just following life. He acts constantly and
• 2:45:46
  daily, as we do not know him, because we have never examined him,
• 2:45:50
  we have never looked closely at him. We don' t know how
• 2:45:54
  he acts. But if he gives us a series of orders, what does
• 2:45:56
  this person do then, because he tends to fix up he hears that I
• 2:46:01
  am not asking you anything, that I have only come to say hello,
• 2:46:05
  for example, and recrimination, which then our partner falls from accurate surprise,
• 2:46:09
  he sad that I am making dinner and besides, I am doing it for
• 2:46:11
  you. Imagine that in addition this woman or this man who has answered this
• 2:46:13
  about dinner is a person who has been taught at home, who will only
• 2:46:18
  take care of him, will only listen to him when we are pleased,
• 2:46:20
  that is, when he does the things that are only born to please others.
• 2:46:24
  What will happen, for this husband, this wife will tell you.
• 2:46:26
  But if they do, I do it for you, I wouldn' t
• 2:46:28
  eat anything, and you know I' m from the scene. I'
• 2:46:30
  d make a yogut and this I make dinner for you and you' re
• 2:46:33
  an ungrateful man who now knows better than to claim my attention. Those life
• 2:46:37
  pions that have nothing to do with the relationship of a couple, those scripts,
• 2:46:39
  those burdens or those patterns of life, are usually written in childhood.
• 2:46:43
  Why in the child is because, as we remember, we are more vulnerable
• 2:46:48
  and our brain is more plastic. You mean it' s like faguar cement.
• 2:46:52
  I always set the same example, but it is very practical. The
• 2:46:54
  children have a cement, they have a perton brain as if it were cements,
• 2:46:58
  if in forge. It' s easy to leave a print on a
• 2:47:01
  cement that' s not dry, that' s unstitched. When we grow
• 2:47:03
  up or get bigger and bigger, we become the brains. In some hard
• 2:47:07
  areas it becomes less flexible. That implies, then, that it is more
• 2:47:11
  difficult to leave a mark. Therefore, in the affective deficiencies that we have
• 2:47:16
  experienced when we are young, they leave a mark, a more difficult and
• 2:47:20
  more traumatic footprint than when we are adults. So the life scripts or these
• 2:47:24
  patterns of life, depending on the affective deficiencies we have had of your dad,
• 2:47:30
  mom and our environment and if to them we add disorders or traumatic situations
• 2:47:33
  added, makes these scripts or these patterns of life dictate to us how we
• 2:47:41
  should behave in certain circumstances. If we don' t know each other and
• 2:47:48
  also our partner, our companion doesn' t know him either It' s
• 2:47:54
  inevitable that many buttons or many circumstances will be touched to bring out those scripts
• 2:47:58
  and, therefore, let' s not act on the basis of the consciously
• 2:48:03
  reflecting what we should answer. For example, when the wife arrives and the
• 2:48:05
  woman answers us a little or the husband answers us, it is that she
• 2:48:09
  is doing in Ajena for a moment the right thing, the healthy thing,
• 2:48:13
  the good thing, it would be sorry I know what you are doing too
• 2:48:18
  much for me you are right I expect you to say the right thing socks
• 2:48:20
  or you say that that is almost impossible. Of course, it' s
• 2:48:22
  impossible because we have a series of scripts and we don' t see patterns
• 2:48:26
  that dictate how we should act. These are the ones who usually put the
• 2:48:31
  big sticks, on the wheels, in marriage relations. Without a doubt,
• 2:48:35
  we are talking to the psychotherapist Judith Casso, about what we should know to
• 2:48:39
  start again after a divorce and we are asking her questions. But once we
• 2:48:46
  ' ve discovered those life scripts, what we should do with them. It
• 2:48:50
  ' s enough to get to know them because it really seems curious to you
• 2:48:56
  a lot of times. It' s almost enough to meet them, because
• 2:48:58
  the person doesn' t know why he acts like that, he doesn'
• 2:49:01
  t know why he sometimes acts disproportionately. The author gives him that reaction.
• 2:49:07
  It' s just that I' m expressed, or I have a lot
• 2:49:09
  of work, or it' s that kids, but they don' t
• 2:49:13
  really know why they react that way, because nothing when we touch a certain
• 2:49:16
  button or in certain circumstances, when the person knows that script, he knows
• 2:49:22
  the true origin, what shortcomings have generated that phrase or script that tells me
• 2:49:28
  how I should feel in certain circumstances and how I should act. Once we
• 2:49:28
  know it very deeply when we do the origin, how it acts and what
• 2:49:33
  it does to us and what it enforces to us, what it forces us
• 2:49:37
  to comply or that they send us. All we need to do is disobey
• 2:49:39
  him. In reality, once we disobey him why it is obeying him,
• 2:49:43
  because that script does not tell us good things for us or for our coexistence
• 2:49:48
  as a couple, but it is dictating a series of things that comes from
• 2:49:52
  affective deficiencies that are not currently being generated or that should not be generated at
• 2:49:58
  the present time. Why? Because the effective deficiencies of children are generated because
• 2:50:01
  children can' t ask, they can' t sit in front of our
• 2:50:05
  dad with five years old and say dad how you' re spending time with
• 2:50:09
  me and even though you buy me a lot of material things, but don
• 2:50:11
  ' t sit with me, I don' t feel happy. This won
• 2:50:11
  ' t forget your five- year- old son. I' d like
• 2:50:15
  you to come with a ten o' clock manual sometimes, but you won
• 2:50:18
  ' t tell us. What happens that when we are small it is not
• 2:50:20
  more difficult to claim those deficiencies. We do it with different or destructive behaviors.
• 2:50:24
  When we are adults, we can fight those shortcomings and we can claim
• 2:50:30
  them, look for them or cover them properly. Therefore, if we know
• 2:50:33
  our script and disobey it, we can get to genuinely, freely and healthyly
• 2:50:41
  seek to cover those affective deficiencies that we have had and our post on our
• 2:50:46
  things can become the person who helps us to fill those gaps. Not that
• 2:50:52
  husband of those things become either a dad or a mom. We' re
• 2:50:56
  not talking about this. We are talking about covering up these affective deficiencies and
• 2:51:00
  giving them in our lives. Okay. Then knowing that script, knowing the
• 2:51:05
  origin, what shortcomings caused it, how it acts, what orders me to
• 2:51:11
  do and disobey that my order makes conflicts disappear Let' s imagine that both
• 2:51:16
  one and the other, in this situation that is explained, know those life
• 2:51:20
  scripts that have and know the script of the other. So, when the
• 2:51:24
  husband or wife comes in and he says," Hey, you' re
• 2:51:28
  not listening to me," there' s a claim. The other can
• 2:51:33
  answer is that I' m making the food and stopping and saying okay is
• 2:51:35
  true. You want to say something. I want to take care of you,
• 2:51:41
  but I need to finish dinner, because I' m doing it for
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  you, too, because I care about you. You mind if you help
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  me finish dinner or if I finish it and while we have dinner together,
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  you explain it to me. This way of acting seems too perfect to you,
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  which seems too impossible to couple relationships. It' s neither that perfect
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  nor that hard. It' s hard just because of those scripts about making
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  the script to this woman or this man would be disobeying her life, he
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  tells you to tell him your effort to agree. Therefore, knowing and seeing
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  obeying those scripts will immensely help us to avoid such destructive conflict situations. Not
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  that we do not dispute in another such conflict situations. Having a conflict such
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  as to mediate and gradually destroy clear couple relationships. More and so, all
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  these things must be taken into account. You suggest that we also know the
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  vision of our children, who have also suffered divorce with us, without any
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  doubt, in a more than indirect, direct way, because they have an
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  impact. Sure. There' s the thing. That' s very important
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  to keep in mind. This is what you say Julio, because our children
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  live the pain of divorce directly every day of their lives, without being the
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  main actors and without being able to do anything against or to cure that situation
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  or to save that situation. Okay, so it' s one of the
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  worst roles in a divorce situation. When we talk about the divorce situation,
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  children suffer the most. It' s not just a phrase to a paradox,
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  it' s a reality. They are the ones who suffer the most
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  because they are the ones who receive the most grief and the least can defend
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  themselves from it. According to us, as adults, we can try to
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  defend ourselves in some ways our children. No. For example, our way
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  of defending ourselves with adults as adults is to use lawyers as dogs to bite
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  each other. Okay, so this our kids can' t do. They
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  have no one to advocate for them, and that is a conflict in them.
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  Therefore, it is the one who suffers the most, because I say
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  that one of the things we need to do after a divorce is not only
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  to know what my mistakes in the couple relationship we have said, to know
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  by someone to help me be guided, to recognize the mistakes in that previous
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  marriage, to know my life scripts, that is, apart from the mistakes
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  I have made during that marriage, to know what scripts, what affective deficiencies
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  I have that make me act a certain way. We need to know our
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  children' s vision why, because asking our guys what they think our relationship
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  mistakes were, that is, what they think or what they saw in our
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  relationship as a dad and as a mom, they thought this didn' t
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  work, when they started to be afraid that we would split up. Because
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  they' re big detectors, because they' re big detectors, because they
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  ' re more kids than we are. Therefore, they are more influenced by
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  nonverbal language. They' re less anaesthetized. Therefore, children are much more
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  perceptible, They have a greater ability to perceive nonverbal language and to intuit what
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  is happening. All right, we, in the face of nonverbal language,
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  often don' t care. We are able to send out a nonverbal message
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  and say something else, that is, hypocrisy occurs largely in adults. They
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  are in s chas to a lesser extent in children or in young people or
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  adolescents. That tells us what I am saying precisely, that we can send
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  a nonverbal message, say with our body, our face, in our tone,
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  one thing, but use a different phrase, for example, the typical
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  phrase of my husband, of my wife when we say the self not if
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  I am not angry, yes, yes, you are, because that tone
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  and that speed with which you have made the phrase denotes an orval language that
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  indicates in shouting. But so, so it' s too late for your
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  phrase to say, I' m not angry or I' m not angry.
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  Now, remember, children are more perceptible. That does they can see
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  before us or more intensely the first conflicts in the relationship of serious couple.
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  So many times our children will be able to tell us clearly that our problem
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  was the lack of control. It' s just that you' ve always
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  avoided Mom, because you always edit Dad. Our tendency to beat us is
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  that when you suck you have told you something, has claimed you something,
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  you just go locked in your room you lock yourself in front of the TV
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  and you don' t listen or or ours you are always very demanding.
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  You' ve always asked us a lot. Mom too You never told her
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  she did things right, Or Dad you never told her they did things right,
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  or when I did a scene, you never gave her the rancid stuff.
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  Our children see them because they live with us every day and see us
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  in all colors. In fact, our children are the only ones who sincerely
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  know part of who we are. That' s why one of the worst
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  things in our children or one of the things that causes children to generate a
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  higher rate of rebound, rebellion, rejection, anger and dystruptive behaviors. It
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  is our hypocrisy, it is our change, that is, we are in
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  a way within the family, between the four walls of our house, and
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  we are different when we are outside and act differently and say different things when
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  we are outside with our children. You see this they generate recreational behaviors,
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  because it' s like they were imprisoned in a place where the truth is
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  known and then everything seems perfect. Outside, then that feeling of inconclusiveness to
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  our children does not crush them. Inside, so our kids are great informants.
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  About that remembering that the question we' re going to ask our children
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  is not what is pre I should have done well what was your father'
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  s and your mother' s responsibility. No, we' re not talking
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  about this, why they put them in a tacture that doesn' t touch
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  them. We make them judge something that will just make them useful, make
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  them feel pain and burden. But we' re talking about this. We
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  ' re talking about being able to ask them what. You think Malio thinks
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  there are things Dad could have made extinct, which is that there are things
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  Mom could have done differently. And we will always ask our children about ourselves
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  and never about the other couple, never in any way, because, in
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  reality, the goal of what we are talking about today is me knowing my
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  own mistakes, my scripts, my faults not to repeat me in my future
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  marriage, the same mistakes. Okay. Never ever. We can never use
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  our children to provoke or seek to speak ill of the other figure, which
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  is not us. Sure, never. That shouldn' t be in our
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  evidence. In fact, by desation, this is what we do most and
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  we rarely wonder about Kikepsquice Mario. It' s a matter of sincerity It
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  ' s a matter of little maturity. If that is done so much,
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  and finally, you point out to us it is indispensable to know the mistakes
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  that the person with whom we are trying to start again, yes, it
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  is indispensable. Julio we need when we start a new couple relationship. Sometimes
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  when someone has come from a divorce, it explains the whole divorce, but
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  from the perspective we said before I remember you. Many times we are afraid
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  to tell our failures and tell our hardships, tell our weaknesses, tell our
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  mistakes to someone we want to conquer. Precisely because that is the conflict,
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  trying to conquer without telling the truth will not work we will make the same
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  mistakes in the future. So one of the things that I always recommend and
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  that I think is indispensable is that when we are going to start a new
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  couple relationship with another person in order to be able to marry and maintain a
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  relationship that reaches old age be together and walk together. We must be able
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  to sit down and explain to the person what our divorce was, what our
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  mistakes were in that divorce, what we are doing to solve those mistakes of
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  our divorce, that is, we have understood what we should stop doing,
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  what we have understood, what we should do and how we practice it.
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  Show them what our life script is for this new couple. To be able
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  to explain to them looks a million lives. My honest shortcomings. I'
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  m trying to disobey this every time I see myself in these circumstances act like
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  this and I have to disobey it. Once we have undressed with this depth
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  in front of person. We need the other person also to undress dulantly our
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  emotionally mentally instigating accordingly, for look. My divorce was because of these causes.
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  I was responsible for this. I was wrong about this other one and
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  I think my lilons of lives are these. Yes, in a new couple
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  relationship, the other person I' m going to make a pact with again
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  to give me a new chance to live with that person I don' t
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  even know why their divorce or why. It' s always based on how
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  bad the other one did and tells us I did bad things, but it
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  never tells us what we can stop. We can stop, because the first
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  thing that will happen is that this person will repeat with us the same mistakes
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  that he repeated with the previous couple, and that condemns us to repeat a
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  divorce, because for that reason he divorced. So what we need to know
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  more. I just came from a divorce and I have so many kids and
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  this happened to me. If I don' t come from a divorce.
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  This was the circumstance, this is what came to us in the end to
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  make the decision to divorce us. But my mistakes, what I think I
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  did wrong was this and this and this and this. When the person is
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  not able to describe us we have to stop. And then, if I
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  recommend, always set up a mediator' s counselor to help us find out
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  what were the mistakes of the one and the mistakes of the other in order
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  to start a relationship with true transparency, as if we started it truly from
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  zero, as if the previous baggage did not put sticks on the wheels,
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  but vice versa if it lived to avoid certain errors or specific conflicts of agreement,
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  something important also to take into account. It' s no use I
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  didn' t give him enough time. This is a very nice phrase,
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  which looks very good as a phase of responsibility, but it does not really
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  tell us what was going on. We need clear examples, what do you
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  mean you spent enough time, what you' ve tried or what you'
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  re trying to do now. For this to happen again. We need to
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  talk about these things very clearly and normally when we come we have come from
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  a divorce and we find someone we fill with so much hope and so much
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  illusion to start over that these things we do not talk about, express or
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  explain. Then yes. That is why statistics show that there is much more
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  vulnerability to re- divorcing if one has already lived. Of course it'
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  s true, well, the truth that is a note is very timely.
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  Sure, surely they contain us or someone directly in particular, or some of
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  our friends or friends who listen to us weekly or to family that we are
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  in the environment, and we are always concerned about how to help those under
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  this circumstance that we must know to start again after a divorce. Well,
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  dear Judith, as always, thank you very much, this gives much more
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  of itself and we will continue to talk about it. We will continue to
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  speak plainly, of course, I' m the couple' s always a
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  field so intense and so interesting and so important because that' s what'
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  s based on our society. In the end, in a family nucleus that
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  has begun or flourished, it has begun to be born in a couple,
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  so it is indispensable. I think it' s wonderful to be able to
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  spend time with them. Of course, if I send you a very affectionate
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  hug, thank you Judith, also a hug you travel on the train of
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  life the evangelical churches a place of peace and friendship. You can freely attend
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  the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You' ll be
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  very welcome.