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BOMBSHELL: Hubby Chad Daybell, Cult Mom Lori Vallow charged with THREE counts of murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bombshell. Right now, in the last hours, cult mom Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Valo and her brand new husband number of four, I
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  Speaker 1: think have been indicted formally charged with murder. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean just the murder of Laurie Valo's two children,
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  Speaker 1: JJ and Tilely. They finally have gotten enough evidence a
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  Speaker 1: grand jury, along with detectives and others to rope Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Valo and hubby Chad day Bell in on the death.
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  Speaker 1: Now we know, murder of his previously completely healthy wife,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell, who reportedly dies in her sleep of
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  Speaker 1: natural causes. Now all of us got a whiff of
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  Speaker 1: something foul when Chad day Bell married Laurie Vale just
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  Speaker 1: a few days after his wife was buried. That's not right,
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  Speaker 1: But that a murder case does not make. So what
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  Speaker 1: does the state have again? Bobbleshell called model Laurie Valo
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  Speaker 1: and Chad day Belle now indicted formally charged by a
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  Speaker 1: grand jury for murder. I mean, I see, Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thank you for being with us here
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  Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Let's kick
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  Speaker 1: it off with a reading of the indictment by the state. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: members of the grand jury deliberated and determined. There is
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  Speaker 1: probable cause to believe the day Bells willfully and knowingly
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  Speaker 1: conspired to commit several crimes that led to the death
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  Speaker 1: of three innocent people. We believe the crimes occurred on
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  Speaker 1: or about October twenty six of twenty eighteen to January
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  Speaker 1: fifteenth of twenty twenty in the County of Fremont, State
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho, and elsewhere, including Madison County. As Prosecutor Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Blake listen to more. On Monday May twenty fourth, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, a Fremont County grand jury delivered the following
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  Speaker 1: new indictments. Lori and Chad Daville were indicted on two
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  Speaker 1: counts of conspiracy to commit first degree murder and grand
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  Speaker 1: theft by deception for the deaths of Tyleie Ryan and
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  Speaker 1: JJ Valo. Lorie, Lorie and Chad Daville were also indicted
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  Speaker 1: on two counts a first degree murder in the deaths
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  Speaker 1: of Tylee Ryan and JJ Valo. Lori and Chad Davill
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  Speaker 1: were also indicted on the charge of conspiracy to commit
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  Speaker 1: first degree murder in the death of Tammy Daville and
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  Speaker 1: Chad Dave Bell was also indicted on one count of
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  Speaker 1: first degree murder in the death of Tammy Daville. Lorie
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  Speaker 1: Daville was also indicted on the charge of grand theft
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  Speaker 1: related to Social Security sir Vibor benefits allocated for the
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  Speaker 1: care of miners Tyley Ryan and jj Vallo that were
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  Speaker 1: appropriated after the children were missing and ultimately found deceased.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daville was also indicted on two counts of insurance
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  Speaker 1: fraud related to life insurance policies he had on Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Daville for which he was the beneficiary and received funds
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  Speaker 1: after her death. Wow, there you're hearing Madison County Prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: Rob Wood with the actual charges enumerated, and there are
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  Speaker 1: quite a few to pick from. With me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of it. Daryl Cohen, former
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  Speaker 1: felony prosecutor in intercity Atlanta for years now defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: and you can find him at CCEA Law dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists specializing in criminal behavior at
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  Speaker 1: panther mitigation dot com, author of Criminal Behavior and where
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  Speaker 1: Law and Psychology intersect. Boy donated Shrink also with me
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  Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida doctor
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  Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher. You can find him at Pathcare pathcaremd dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Also a lecturer a Distinguished Lecturer at University of Florida
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  Speaker 1: Medical School. Jeff Cortesi, former special agent with the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at Jeff Cortesi dot com. And
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  Speaker 1: now to Nate Eton, the news director at East Idaho
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  Speaker 1: News dot com on Twitter at Nate News now instat
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  Speaker 1: in dot Eaton on Instagram. Wow, that's a mouthful, Nate Eton,
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  Speaker 1: before I get too dragged in and all of your
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  Speaker 1: CV what happened? Nine felony counts, Nancy, Nine felony counts.
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  Speaker 1: After this grand jury met for the past week, everyone's saying,
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  Speaker 1: what has been the hold up? This case broke at
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  Speaker 1: the end of twenty nineteen. Ye hold up was the
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  Speaker 1: grand juries couldn't meet in Idaho, and once Covid was
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  Speaker 1: able to, you know, diminish, the Supreme Court said, go
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  Speaker 1: ahead with the grand jury. They did it within a
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  Speaker 1: matter of days. Nine felony counts against Chat. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen COVID got in the way. But luckily for
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  Speaker 1: the state, there is no statute of limitations or a
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  Speaker 1: time limit on a murder charge. Explain Daryl Cohen. I
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  Speaker 1: think I may have lost Daryl, so I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: throw that straight out to you, Nate Eaton, there's no
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  Speaker 1: statute of limitation on murder, so if it took another
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  Speaker 1: year to put this case together, that would have been
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  Speaker 1: all right under the law. But what do you think
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  Speaker 1: the state has, Nate Eaten, they have a lot, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot. And remember, Chattamie have been locked
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  Speaker 1: up on what are you on a first name basis
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  Speaker 1: with them? Are you that chummy? You're gonna have dinner
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  Speaker 1: after the guilty verdict? I should say the day Bells
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  Speaker 1: they've been locked up into. Please don't say the day Bells, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because I need to hear specific names to keep all
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  Speaker 1: this straight because their charges are not identical. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: she's included on a conspiracy to murder day Bell's wife, Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: He's charged with the actual murder. I could just see
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  Speaker 1: the two of them hunched up together planning the murder
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  Speaker 1: of his wife. I can see it right now. But
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  Speaker 1: Nat and I referred to her as cult mom Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Valo and him as Hubby Number four or Chad day Bill,
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  Speaker 1: So let's keep our names shake because I'm working on
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  Speaker 1: a flow chartney or go ahead. Yeah, this is actually
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  Speaker 1: a husband number five. I stand corrected. I'm embarrassed, presently
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  Speaker 1: so so she's had four test runs and now she's
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  Speaker 1: on number five. Okay, thank you. Of course several of
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  Speaker 1: them are dead, which is a whole nother can of worms.
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  Speaker 1: But he's number five. Okay, I stand correct to go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: here's to me, Nancy aft Cover do you know this
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  Speaker 1: for a year and a half. The most interesting development
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  Speaker 1: in these indictments are when they go through what happened
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  Speaker 1: with Tammy's death. That we're learning that Chad and Laurie
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  Speaker 1: believed Tammy was possessed by a spirit named Viola. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: actually stop, wait, wait, wait, do you know you've gotten
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  Speaker 1: two sentences out and my head is already completely twisted around.
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  Speaker 1: Slow down. First of all, I don't believe that they
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  Speaker 1: thought anybody was really possessed. I think that they just
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  Speaker 1: said that as part of their fate religious sham. But
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  Speaker 1: could you say that again? They how is everybody they
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  Speaker 1: don't want around suddenly becomes a zombie or possessed so
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  Speaker 1: they have to kill them? Well, that's that's the question,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what they lay out in these documents. You
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  Speaker 1: mentioned the religious delusions there. The indictments specifically say they
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  Speaker 1: were espousing their religious beliefs for the purpose of justifying homicide.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds a lot better than the way I said it.
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  Speaker 1: Now back to the demon that was possessing Tammy Daybil.
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  Speaker 1: I guess him sleeping with cult mom Laurie Valo had
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with his wife turning into a demon,
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  Speaker 1: but started at the beginning. They think Tammy Daybilla is what.
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  Speaker 1: Text messages between Chad and Laurie about Tammy before she
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  Speaker 1: died say that Tammy was in quote limbo and she
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  Speaker 1: was possessed by a spirit named Viola. This is around
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  Speaker 1: the same time that Chad signs an application with Tammy
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  Speaker 1: to increase her life insurance money to the maximum allowed
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  Speaker 1: under her policy, a month before she died. Who is Viola?
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  Speaker 1: Your guess is as good as mine. That's the name
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  Speaker 1: that they came up with, and they were they believed
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  Speaker 1: that she had been possessed by this demon they her
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  Speaker 1: life insurance policy. That stop saying they believed she was possessed.
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  Speaker 1: They say she was possessed, but they're just saying that
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  Speaker 1: to justify getting the life insurance and killing her. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the other interesting thing you know Alex Cox, Tammy's or
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  Speaker 1: a Laurie's brother who's now He died in December of
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Ye we learned that he attempted to shoot
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  Speaker 1: Tammy ten days before she died. Do you remember the
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  Speaker 1: paintball gun incident? This is Tammy day Bell came home
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  Speaker 1: late one night. She said she got out of her
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  Speaker 1: car and there was a paintball gun then there in
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  Speaker 1: her driveway, firing what she thought was paintball paintballs at her.
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  Speaker 1: She called the police. Police showed up. There was nobody
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  Speaker 1: in the area. They live in a very rural area.
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  Speaker 1: She went on Facebook and warned anybody around her, saying,
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  Speaker 1: this weird incident just happened. Well, according to these documents,
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  Speaker 1: that was actually Alex Cox, who went to a local
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  Speaker 1: sportsman's warehouse near the day Bell's home. He went to
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  Speaker 1: a gun range. He did internet searches related to special
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  Speaker 1: bullets and how to shoot through a Dodge Dakota his truck,
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  Speaker 1: and that the day Tammy died, so he allegedly attempted
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  Speaker 1: to shoot at her. She didn't die. Ten days later
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  Speaker 1: she died. He was parked at a church parking lot
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  Speaker 1: two and a half mile from her home. The night
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  Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell died. Chad says she went to bed coffee,
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  Speaker 1: never woke up. But Alex Cox is lurking just down
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  Speaker 1: the street in a church parking lot as Tammy day
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  Speaker 1: Bell's dying. Good Lord in heaven, You're just this is
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  Speaker 1: so much more than we knew. I okay, hold on
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  Speaker 1: with Alex Cox, who's also now dead, along with the
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  Speaker 1: husbands and the children and the ex wife. Can I
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  Speaker 1: bring you back to Viola, the demon spirit that is
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  Speaker 1: allegedly inhabiting the body of Tammie day Bell, And you're correct.
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  Speaker 1: The indictment reads in the overt acts laid out in
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning that both Laurie maren Valo called Mom
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo and Chad day Bell endorsed and espoused religious
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  Speaker 1: beliefs for the purpose of encouraging or justifying homicide. Homicide.
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  Speaker 1: It never says they believed it. They used their sham
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  Speaker 1: religion to justify murdering. We know of three people, so
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  Speaker 1: they claim his wife so they can go have sex
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  Speaker 1: together and make it Okay is possessed by a demon
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  Speaker 1: named Viola. You know, Nate, you can't just drop a
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  Speaker 1: truth bomb on me like that and then just run
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  Speaker 1: off to another topic. How do we know about viola
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  Speaker 1: And how did they kill Tammy Day Belle. They don't
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  Speaker 1: say how Tammy Daybell died. They have not released the
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  Speaker 1: cause of death. But remember Laurie's former husband, her fourth husband.
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  Speaker 1: They also said he had been possessed by a demon,
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  Speaker 1: that he had been possessed by a zombie. Remember Tylie
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  Speaker 1: and JJ they were apparently possessed by zombies. So this
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  Speaker 1: is in line with those religious religious teaching Nancy. Several
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  Speaker 1: people close to the investigation say, exactly what you said.
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  Speaker 1: This is not about religion, this is about sex. This
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  Speaker 1: is about money. That's what they're saying. That religious they
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  Speaker 1: were espousing their religious beliefs to justify all of this,
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  Speaker 1: including taking their dead children's money allegedly and using it
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  Speaker 1: for themselves for months after they had died. Why is
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  Speaker 1: Chad day Bill googling SSW wind What is the definition
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  Speaker 1: of s s W wind direction? Well, the theory there
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  Speaker 1: could be that this was around the time that the
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  Speaker 1: children's bodies were build on his property, and so there's
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  Speaker 1: there's certain neighbors that live in the area. If he's
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  Speaker 1: googling that the smell, one would imagine the smell from
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  Speaker 1: those bodies south southwest winds. Could you know which way
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  Speaker 1: or the wind's going to blow? You know, that's just
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  Speaker 1: a series of how people could smell but potentially dead
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  Speaker 1: children crime stories with Nancy Grace called Mom, Laurie Vallo,
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  Speaker 1: and hubby number five Chad Daybell the I guess you
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  Speaker 1: could say cult leader just indicted on multiple charges. Straight
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  Speaker 1: out to doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical Examiner State of Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Nate Dan is correct. The cod cause of death or
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell is not listed in the indictment. She looks
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  Speaker 1: as if no stab wound, no gunshot wound, no strangulation
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  Speaker 1: marks are on her, So what could potentially be the
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  Speaker 1: cause of death? There's no strangulation either literature or manual
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  Speaker 1: on her neck. That's ruling out a lot. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she was blue, So what could potentially
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  Speaker 1: be the cod? Dotor Gallagher, Oh, yeah, this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a tough one. You know. In order to
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  Speaker 1: become a medical examiner and do this, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: requires about twelve years of education after you get out
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  Speaker 1: of college and whoever it's going to do this case
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  Speaker 1: is going to depend on every one of those years
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  Speaker 1: of training and skill to come up with an accurate diagnosis. Here,
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  Speaker 1: if somebody is smothered, say with a pillow or a
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  Speaker 1: blanket or soft objects like that, placed across their face
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  Speaker 1: pace across their nose, there is no physical evidence to
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  Speaker 1: verify that. So they could have been smothered and there
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  Speaker 1: will be no marks on their body to indicate that.
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  Speaker 1: Would that would be their cause of death. So generally,
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  Speaker 1: if everything else could be ruled out sharp force injury,
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  Speaker 1: blunt force trauma of strangulation, then that is generally the
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  Speaker 1: mechanism of death. If the toxicology is clean. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: what I'm hearing is either some sort of poisoning via
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  Speaker 1: toxicology because there was no autopsy done at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Her body had to be exhumed because the husband Chad
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  Speaker 1: day Bill, so he didn't want to an autopsy. She
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  Speaker 1: was never autopsy, so they just accepted the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she died peacefully in her sleep. Well, that's total b s.
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  Speaker 1: That's a technical legal term. Darryl Cohen joining me from
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  Speaker 1: a prosecutor now defense attorney. It takes a lot of
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  Speaker 1: doing to get a body exhumed, Daryl. But they did
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  Speaker 1: it well, Nancy. Obviously we have what we used to
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  Speaker 1: call in the DA's office the snow argument. What to
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  Speaker 1: bed last night, no snow on the ground, woke up
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  Speaker 1: this morning there was didn't see it happen? Well, the
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  Speaker 1: day Bell is a Dumbbell and Franklin totally still an't
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  Speaker 1: like to use the word class, but we take the
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  Speaker 1: word class and delete the seat and the L and
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  Speaker 1: that's what you've got. And you've got a dumb So
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  Speaker 1: there you go. I think you're gonna find it. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of forensic evidence. I think the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't announced in the indictment means it wasn't yet
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  Speaker 1: announced and we've got a prosecution that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean it wasn't announced to the indictment
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  Speaker 1: because it wasn't announced. What does that mean? I mean
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  Speaker 1: because they want to wait. They don't need to announce
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  Speaker 1: it the indictment. They don't have to share that with us.
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  Speaker 1: We are looking at indictments handed down in the last
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  Speaker 1: hours against mum Laurie Vallo and husband number five, Chad
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  Speaker 1: day Bell cult leader. This is how the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: got started. Take a listen to our friends calin Ford
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  Speaker 1: at Inside Edition. It was just before Christmas that police
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  Speaker 1: in Rexburg, Idaho, pleaded with the public for help. Two
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  Speaker 1: children were missing and hadn't been seeing since September. Seven
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  Speaker 1: year old Joshua JJ Bello was described as having special needs,
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  Speaker 1: including autism. Police that his sixteen year old sister, Tylie Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: was devoted to him. The FBI in the National Center
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  Speaker 1: for Missing and Exploited Children were part of the search.
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  Speaker 1: Police said this doorbell camera footage was the last known
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  Speaker 1: video of JJ. The police of the children's mother, Laurie Vallo,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't helping to find them and had never reported them
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  Speaker 1: missing at all. So what do we know? We know
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  Speaker 1: from our friends at kt VB Idaho News. Misty Englet
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  Speaker 1: is talking about the last time JJ Vaalo was seen
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  Speaker 1: and talking about what Nate eat is just telling us
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  Speaker 1: about how cult mom and her new husband use their
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  Speaker 1: fate religion as justification for murder. According to this indictment,
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  Speaker 1: it's not just what Nate Eaton is telling you from
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  Speaker 1: East Idaho News, it is what a sworn grand jury
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  Speaker 1: is saying. Take a listen to our cut thirteen kt
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  Speaker 1: v B, boys, Idaho, September twenty second, the last time
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  Speaker 1: j J Vallo was seen. Police interviewed Melanie Gibb and
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend David Warwick, who were visiting Lorie that weekend.
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  Speaker 1: They told police Laurie said JJ had turned into a zombie.
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  Speaker 1: The next morning, September twenty third, between eight and nine am,
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  Speaker 1: Warwick didn't see JJ and asked where he was. Borie
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  Speaker 1: stated he was acting out, so quote Alex had come
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  Speaker 1: and taken JJ. GPS data once again puts Alex on
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  Speaker 1: Chad's property that day from nine fifty five am until
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  Speaker 1: ten to twelve am, paying near the pond. All this
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  Speaker 1: evidence started coming to light around the first part of
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  Speaker 1: June twenty twenty. Just days later, June ninth, police searched
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  Speaker 1: to Chad's property. They focused on sites corresponding to the
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  Speaker 1: GPS from Alex's phone and the strange text to Tammy.
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  Speaker 1: JJ and Hiley's bodies were found in those areas near
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  Speaker 1: the pond and fire pit. Once again we hear that
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  Speaker 1: not only do they say that Tammy Daybail was possessed
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  Speaker 1: by a spirit named Viola, that both JJ and Tiley
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  Speaker 1: were zombies that's their justification. It's easy to kick this
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  Speaker 1: around and talk about it. But back to Nate Eaton
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  Speaker 1: with East Idaho News, what's the proof. We can talk
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  Speaker 1: about this till the cows come home, but how are
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  Speaker 1: we going to prove it at trial? Perfect they were murdered. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what I'm told is that the evidence in this case
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  Speaker 1: is overwhelming. Lorie and Chad were texting each other all
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  Speaker 1: the time. There's there's forty nine items I believe forty
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  Speaker 1: three items from Chad's home back at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: this investigation. Those included computers, Those included cell phones, those
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  Speaker 1: included journals, those included writings, Those included a very detailed
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  Speaker 1: chart about who in their lives were dark versus light
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  Speaker 1: versus zombie. They had a level. You know. One of
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  Speaker 1: those things the indictment says is they had a chart
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  Speaker 1: of death percentI death percentages, text messages between Chad and
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  Speaker 1: Lourie regarding death percentage for Tammy and JJ. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what that means, but these these two were allegedly
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  Speaker 1: going back and forth with their text with their emails.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of evidence. As you mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: we know a fraction of what they know and for
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  Speaker 1: our jury to indict with nine felonies. A jury could
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  Speaker 1: prove all of these could convict. Well, what you're telling
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  Speaker 1: me is a lot of text messages and something called
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  Speaker 1: death percentages. All I know is I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: say my name, or my children or husband's name besides
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  Speaker 1: a column of death percentages. Guys, take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: While you were in that area, did you have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to further observe art excavate that area you referred
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  Speaker 1: to as a pet cemetery? Yes, okay, what did you observe?
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  Speaker 1: I had been away from that area, but when I
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  Speaker 1: returned to that area, they had already dug down and
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  Speaker 1: located well a what would appear to be a mass
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of burnt flesh and charred bone. That mass I've burnt
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: flesh and charred a bone or the remains of Lori
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Valo's daughter, Tilely and what about JJ, her little boy.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Detective ray hermas Ceo. Once that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was discovered, what did the r what did you observe
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the AR team into? Excuse me, what did you observe
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the art team do? They continued to just work around
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the head that was exposed, they took pictures, They did
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: whatever their team leader instructed them to do. Okay. Was
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: an item of interest eventually pulled out of that area? Yes?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And can you describe what that item of interest looked like?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: It was a what appeared to be a small body
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: tightly wrapped in black plastic covered in duct tape. Crime
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace so wild Tyle. His body is
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: totally dismembered and burned. They're pulling up burned flesh. JJ.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: This little boys wrapped in plastic and duct taped like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a mummy. We were asking Nate eight from East Idahoannes
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: earlier why Chad day Bell was searching which way the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: winds that were going to blow the day the bodies
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: were buried. Well, this is why more of harmacia. Listen.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: They removed some top soil that was right underneath the side,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: which revealed three large white rocks, flat rocks. Okay, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: can you explain for the court how those rocks were
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: oriented in a row. So there was a large rock,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a large rock, and a large rock. Okay, after you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: observed that, what did you observe? Next? They removed the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: rocks and it underneath the white rocks was some thin
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: wood paneling. Okay, And what did you observe them do
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: with that paneling? They removed the paneling, okay? And then
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: what did you observe? Initially, as soon as they removed
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the paneling, I could smell the odor of a decomposing body.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That decomposing body was a little boy here the rest.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: The emmy grabbed a small sharp instrument and cut down
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the middle of the black plastica. And what did you observe?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I observed a small child in red pajamas, red pajama shirt,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: red pajama pants, black socks that had the words sketchers
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in orange across the toes. Also observed a light and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: blue blanket that had been placed on top of him. Okay, detective,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: were there when you observed what you perceived to be
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a child? Where there was there anything that drew your attention? Yes?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And describe one of you described for the court what
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: drew your attention, The amount of duct tape that was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: covering the body. This little boy was still wearing his
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: red pajamas and black socks, and that he was going
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to sleep in that night. Let me go out to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: our forensic psychologists ought to Sherry Schwartz. You know, the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: thought most of us have children, minors, still little, of
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: murdering your child, their body failed, still wearing their little
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: red pajamas they slept in the night they were murdered.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: That is going to floor a jury, as it does me.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: The cold cruelty of murdering a little child about seven
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: years old, in his pajamas, at his most vulnerable, at
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: sleepy time, Doctor Swartz. It's it's unconscionable, Nancy, And you're right,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it is really really hard because that visual image that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it conjures it. I mean, it's just something that most
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of us can't think about, even people who don't have children.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: You can't imagine that somebody could do that to any child,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: let alone their own child. And yet we know now
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: objectively that this is what happens. I think the question is,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: at least for the defense that they'll have to show,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is that Laurie didn't do it to her own child,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that she was somehow so gullible and led to believe
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that Chad day Bell was this you know, religious leader
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: in her mind, and so she was doing it for
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the greater good. But I do think that that's going
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to be a really, really tough nut to crack. I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: don't see how they do that unless she's got a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: significant history of mental health treatment, serious mental illness, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that. So she's either they're either
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: going to be able to show that she's so mentally
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: ill that she believes all of this about Chad day
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Bell being this, you know, sort of David Koresh type figure,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: or she's possibly a female psychopath. You know, I just
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: don't get it. Nate Eton, even on this that was
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you running along aside called mom Laurie Valo in Hawaii
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: asking where are the children? Where are the children? Where
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: are the children? Remember that moment? And I guess you
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and I both knew at the time they were dead,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: although you and I would talk off air. Do you
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: think the cult has them? Are they being hidden away
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: till the end of the world? And I kept holding
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: out hope, But what I found out about this body
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and his little repajamas. Now is the time to prove it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Now we're not just talking about it anymore. Once an
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: indictment goes down, the defense file a demand for speedy
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: trial and make the state go forward. Daryl Code, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: used to hate getting a demand for speedy trial, because
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that ended my time of preparation. Once you get that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: demand for a speedy you how to move forward with
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: your case period, or else get an acquittal. Look, I'm
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: past the trial. I think when a jury hears what
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: happened to those children, they are going to be so
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: delighted to convict both of them. And then when they
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: go to prison, I don't want them to have the despinalty,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: if it's even possible, because the people in prisons who
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: are already there will take out on them what happened
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to those poor two children. I hear you, but I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: don't want to believe it. Hope of jailhouse justice. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: want court order justice. Back to you, Nate Eton, how
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: is this going to be proven? You mentioned text messages
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and phone calls and emails. Tell me what do you know? Well,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: we also know that there's witnesses. In fact, one of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the key not not witnesses to the murder, but Laurie's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: best friend was here the last time JJ was seen alive.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: In fact, she saw She testified that Alex Cox carried
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: JJ out in those same pajamas the night before JJ
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was allegedly buried at Chad day Bell's house, and that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that very day Laurie had been talking about how JJ
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: had turned into a zombie, that he was climbing all
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: over the counters, that he knocked down a picture of Jesus.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: She was telling this best friend that, So that's that's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: pretty strong evidence there. I would imagine you mentioned it's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: just a death penalty case. Yes, it could be if
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the prosecution has to stay within the first within sixty days,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: if they're going to pursue the death penalty. A lot
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: of people think the theory is that Chat and Laurie
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: may welcome that, to see them die as martyrs for
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: their cause. If if they truly believe child murder, killing
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: your spouse just so you can check up at a
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: motel and have sex with somebody, what it's over in
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and then what well? Remember Chat and Laurie,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Chat especially believe they were the leaders of the hundred
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: forty four thousand who would usher back the Second Coming.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Would you please stop talking about there's any beliefs. Please.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: They're using that as justification. Don't you remember d days
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: already come and go? Wasn't it last summer that the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: world was supposed to come to an end. Haven't we
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: gone over and over and over the part in the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Bible that says very clearly nobody knows when this is
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: going to happen. That they didn't even Christ say, I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: don't even know what it's going to happen. So how
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: does Tammy Daybelle know it's gonna happen? Stop? You sound
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like you actually believe in Nate et? Can I get
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you out of the ways and back into the middle
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: of the road. The facts, the evidence, I want to hear.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Do you really believe they've got text messages? And would
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: these two be that stupid to text about murder? There
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: is gigabytes and gigabytes and terabytes of evidence in the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: cloud of electronic evidence, of texts, of Google searches, of emails,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and the indictment goes into a little bit about it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Please tell me no, Well, the indictment talks about text
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: messages between them. We mentioned them being in limbo, the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: life insurance policy with Tammy them you emailing about that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Multiple Internet searches, including from Alex about the Glen Grendel
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: drop a bullet? How do you shoot through a Dodge Dakota.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: They've got the timeline of what Alex was doing leading
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: up until the moments Tammy died. And this is just
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: this is just a touch of it. So it will
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: be fascinating to see all of the evidence that they
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: do present when this goes before the jury. You know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: does Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent, you can find
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: them with Jeff Cortes dot com. I said, would they
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: be that stupid? But you know what, criminals are not
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: as smart as they appear in, for instance, movies and novels.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: They leave a trail Jeff, Yeah, they certainly do. We
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: only we only catch the dumb ones, we say sometimes. Um,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you know, there is a long timeline here of activity
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: that is going to ultimately betray their behavior or betray them. Um.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: You know, everything that they did behavior really appears to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: point to suspicious activities that appears to point everything back
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to them. The evidence, the physical evidence itself, the communications,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: that geolocation on the phones, all the other physical and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: technological evidence that will be and was discovered by law enforcement,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I think is ultimately just going to paint a very
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: clear and disturbing picture. Climb stories with Nancy Grace and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the part of the indictment that lays out avert acts.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Somebody in that prosecutor's office has really done their homework.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: They go all the way back to twenty eighteen and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: track the various things Value and day Bill did in
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: preparation for the murdyrs, very very meticulously. One part that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, where Chad day Bell actually
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: check and googled the wind where it would be blowing
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the day that the children were buried and his pet cemetery.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of a case I had Nate where
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: a very wealthy defendant murdered his wife and set the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: house on fire. Guess what he did, Like the day before,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: two days before he set the fire, he called the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: weather service to find out if it was going to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: rain the day of the fire. And he called his
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: insurance to find out if if the house were to
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: burn down, if they covered replacement furniture. I mean, that's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. But the planning, the meticulous planning,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: leaves a trail like this idiot Chad day Bell checking
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: would the wind blow the smell of the children's decomposed
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: bodies toward his neighbors. Yeah, and not only that, you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: might notice in the indictment, Nancy, how it talks about
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Chad day Bell and Alex Cox getting burner phones. Alex
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Cox got a burner phone, meaning one that can't be traced,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you know, one of those prepaid cell phone things that
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on the day that he tried to fire at Tammy
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the first time, on the day he tried to kill
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Tammy the first time with the gun, he got a
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: burner phone that day. Chad Dave Bell got a burner
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: phone around the same time Tyley's body was buried on
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: his property. So they've been able to track down those
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: burner phones, which I would imagine most criminals think can't
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: be tracked. Well, looks like the police got him, Gerald Cohen,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: what is a married man and a burner phone, Well,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I'd say a married man need's a burner phone, because
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that married man is being a dumbbell rather than a
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: day bell. That married man. Okay, you did that at
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the beginning. It was funny man, because he's a criminal.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, doctor Sherry Schwartz, if I found out
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: my husband had a burner phone, all of his clothes
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: would be in the front on fire right now. A
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: burner phone for what? Well, and it makes me wonder,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: as I'm sure most of your audience is wondering and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: has been wondering. Is that why Tammy Dave Bell had
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to be put out of the way, because she discovered
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that there wasn't this affair between these two, and she
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: was protesting as any wife would. The other thing is
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I believe I read somewhere there was an insurance policy
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: for over three hundred thousand dollars on Tammy Dave Bell.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I believe I may be inclined. Doctor Sherry shortsys while
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you're not just a psychologist, you are a forensic psychologist,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: because you're absolutely correct yet again, that Chad Dave Bell
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: gets all the life insurance policy and cal mom Laurie
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Valo kept getting Social Security benefits for all the children
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: she's taking care of ps that are dead. You know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking back on what she's saying about the burner phone.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Why would they want the burner phone? But here's a question.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Let me throw this at you, Nate Eaton. I think
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that Sherry Schwartz, doctor Sherry Schortz, is correct that Tammy
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: day Bell, first of all, did not like Laurie Valo.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: She did not like the flirtation. I think she suspected
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: an affair, But didn't the children go missing before tammy
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Daybell died. Yeah, the children, according to law enforce, that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: were killed several weeks before Tammy Da Bell died. They
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: were buried in Tammy Davell's backyard as tammy Day Bell
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: was coming and going to work every day as the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: school librarian. That gives me another motive for murder, not
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that the state needs to prove a mode of Nate Eton.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Not only does she know about the affair, I think
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: she did, but Joyn and her husband and Laurie Vallo.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: But I wonder if she figured out Valo's children are missing.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder if she put two and two together and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: figured out her husband had something to do with the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: children's murders. It's possible. It's possible. She was not stupid.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: That was a smart woman. Yeah, she was. She was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a very smart woman. She also was she didn't go
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: along from every indication. She didn't go along with Chad's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: religious beliefs. He would go out on the road and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: he would do these meetings. And that's how he actually
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: met Laurie down at a meeting in Arizona, a conference,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: another conference. Why do men even go to conferences, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: go ahead, He goes out of an out of town
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: for a religious meeting and hooks up with calt mom
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo. You know, she was reading his phone and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: his email. She had to know what was going on.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So I wonder if she got wise. Nate etan to
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the fact these two children were murdered, so he got
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: rid of her for that. It is a possibility. We
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: do know that Laurie's one of her best friends said
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: both Laurie. Laurie had like four or five phones. She
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: was always had a different phone number. Chad was getting
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: into the burner phones, so you know, it was hard
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to keep track of where they were and what they
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: were doing. According to her friend Melody Gifts, well yeah,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: they even out smart police, and police are trying to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: find the two children. Speaking Tammy day bel take a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: listen to Ghanamahea KSL TV News and Mandy Fowler. Tammy
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: had allegedly died in her sleep. They found her in bed.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: They didn't know the causes. Mandy wasn't shocked. I talked
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to her the day before she died. She says. During
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that last visit with Tammy, something felt off, and she
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: seemed maybe kind of frustrated and that wasn't typical for her.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Things got stranger as Mandy and multiple friends tell Kso
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that Tammy's husband, Chad day Bell, refused to have an
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: autopsy performed. With so many investigations now involving Chad, Mandy
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: hopes to find closure for her friend. I just can't
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: help but think that I want to know what happened
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to Tammy. Well, here's a choice, Nate Eton. Either the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: too Laurie Valo and Chad day Bell are clairvoyant or
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: their murderers, because they planned their Hawaiian wedding right down
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to ordering the wedding dress, his groom's outfit, and the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: ring while Tammy day Bell was still alive, and that search,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that Amazon search was for a beach bac wedding dress,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and then conveniently, Tammy did them the big favor of
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: dying in her sleep. I don't think they're clairvoyant, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that only leaves one alternative. We wait as justice unfols
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story, signing off, Goodbye friend,