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Breaking Down the Big Week 3 Games · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the Sticks on a Monday, DJ,
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Rhett back with you guys, and man, that was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: That was an interesting weekend of football, some wild games.
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  Speaker 1: We have a chance to break down the college stuff
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  Speaker 1: later on in the week, but it is a Monday,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't even Like a lot of times, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we are starting here, Buck, I don't even know where
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  Speaker 1: to start today because so much craziness it took place,
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  Speaker 1: right I mean, you guys, I don't know where to start.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So I was on Game Day Highlights and Game Day
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  Speaker 2: Final last night and it was pretty clear we're going
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  Speaker 2: to start with the team to score ten touchdowns, and
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  Speaker 2: so I am. I'm pretty excited that Bucky's going to
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  Speaker 2: break down each and every one of those touchdowns for
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  Speaker 2: us here on this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: And I think we'll get to the other fifteen games tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: So it's so unbelievable that a team can score seventy
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  Speaker 4: points in the NFL game, and I've been the high
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  Speaker 4: school games and I can't imagine people scoring seventy points
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  Speaker 4: like you almost have to in a high school game.
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  Speaker 4: You have to not try to let someone score it
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  Speaker 4: like seventy points. It's really it has to be either
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  Speaker 4: that big of a mismatch or your team just has
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  Speaker 4: to pack it in. To give up ten touchdowns in
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  Speaker 4: an NFL game while scoring twenty points three.
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  Speaker 1: P fifty on the ground, buck three and behind fifty
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  Speaker 1: in the air seven six total.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, I'll say this, if you're Mike mc daniels,
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  Speaker 4: this is the offense that everyone has been afraid of.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, when you look at that tape and you
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  Speaker 4: watch this team go up and down the field, you
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  Speaker 4: look at the track stars that they have.
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  Speaker 5: And keep in mind they didn't have Jaden model.
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  Speaker 4: But that's okay, Devin, A chain of just coming there
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  Speaker 4: and I'll show you that I am also a track star,
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  Speaker 4: and I'll run for two hundred yards and I'll put
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  Speaker 4: it in the paint from anywhere on the field, and.
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  Speaker 5: Tua, don't worry about it, Tua, we can run it.
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  Speaker 4: But we're still gonna let you get your throws in
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  Speaker 4: and let you make sure that you're a fantasy legend.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is an unbelievable performance from an offense
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  Speaker 4: that we knew they had firepower. But I'm sure that
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  Speaker 4: every defensive coordinating the league is going to take a
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  Speaker 4: look at the take and be like, what in the world, Like,
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  Speaker 4: how do you handle it? And before I didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to say I dismissed the Dolphins. I thought their offense
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  Speaker 4: was like cute and those things. But now I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, can you really ride the offense like they're
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  Speaker 4: riding it and make a big run and big Fangio
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  Speaker 4: is everything to that defense. You now have a high
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  Speaker 4: powered offense with a guy who understands how to play defense,
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  Speaker 4: and now he only has to hold serve.
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  Speaker 5: They're a dangerous team. They're a very dangerous team, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think, I think, and and we'll go through all these games.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get there in a minute. I think they're the
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  Speaker 1: best team in the AFC right now based off what
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  Speaker 1: they've shown through three games, two on the road. Then
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  Speaker 1: they come back and just demolish the Broncos. I will
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  Speaker 1: say one thing and then we'll jump into these But Ratt,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever you ever had just
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  Speaker 1: a terrible day at work, you know, and you call
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  Speaker 1: your wife on the way home, you call Cana and
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  Speaker 1: you just go, guys, it's just been a terrible day.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get home and she's made your favorite dinner,
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  Speaker 1: she's got you've got your favorite show, all het keyboarded
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  Speaker 1: up and ready to go. I wonder if Nathaniel Hackett
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  Speaker 1: got home last night and was just like man Zach Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we can't move the ball. This is just
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, are we going to survive? And then
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  Speaker 1: he gets home when there's a nice warm plate of cookies,
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  Speaker 1: a glass of milk, and that Denver Dunphs Miami game
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  Speaker 1: is just on the TV, just waiting for him to
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  Speaker 1: watch that thing, and hey, we'll pick you up a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. That's that's what I want to see when
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  Speaker 1: I get home. The worst coaching job in the history
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  Speaker 1: of sports. All I know is at least they had
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  Speaker 1: a good defense. The offense wasn't any good, but the
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  Speaker 1: defense or the defense was really good. Now the offense
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  Speaker 1: still isn't any good now the defense thinks. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what to say about that one training. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: probably probably in the rule book why you don't trash
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  Speaker 1: other coaches, though, just saying probably yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Football commerce certainly came back to get u Sean Payne,
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  Speaker 4: I mean in a major way.
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  Speaker 2: Or you were just setting this up, right you were
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  Speaker 2: You're like, hey, look man, you know really I got
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  Speaker 2: nothing we're gonna do this year.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't do it. I have to go back
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  Speaker 1: through the game logs, but I don't remember them giving
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  Speaker 1: up seventy points last year. Seventy I mean, but seven
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  Speaker 1: oh seventy could have kicked a field goal made it
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  Speaker 1: seventy three.
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  Speaker 3: NFL.
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  Speaker 2: We're the three games in and by the way, the
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  Speaker 2: questions to Sean Payton on the conference call today with
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  Speaker 2: the media, where did you fire.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone WHOA yeah? Like no, and I wouldn't announce that
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  Speaker 3: on a conference call.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that's well. This is why this week is
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  Speaker 1: so bonkers, because we've got our rundown and we haven't
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  Speaker 1: even jumped into it here, I know, because it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get started. Let's go to the games
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  Speaker 1: that uh the Buck and I were at. We'll start
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  Speaker 1: with the Chargers Vikings game. I joke with you guys,
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  Speaker 1: every week I've never called I've been doing these games
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  Speaker 1: for six years for the church. I've never called a
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  Speaker 1: boring game. I don't even know what that's like. What's
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  Speaker 1: it like to like have like a three touchdown winner
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  Speaker 1: or loss? I have no clue. Every game comes down
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  Speaker 1: to the very last possession. That's unbelievable. Man, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: But they end up beating the Vikings twenty eight to
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. I'll get to some of the highlights and
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  Speaker 1: then i'll let I'll let you guys jump in on
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  Speaker 1: on the decision making, because that was the big buzz
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  Speaker 1: in social media was Brandon Staley electing to go for
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  Speaker 1: it deep in his own territory late to try and
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  Speaker 1: put the game away, which we'll get to and i'll
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  Speaker 1: get your guys opinion on that. But before that, justin
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  Speaker 1: Herbert's forty forty seven for four h five, it was
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  Speaker 1: They're like, ah, they didn't really run the ball. This
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  Speaker 1: was a classic case of you're gonna play zero and
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna play man. We're just why run the ball
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  Speaker 1: into a wall. I'm just gonna zip it out. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna throw bubbles and quick screens all day long, make
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  Speaker 1: you tackle on space. We'll take those five six, eight
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  Speaker 1: yards and then and then now I felt bad for
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  Speaker 1: Byron Murphy Man, I'm like Bira Murphy, like, hey, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you are alone with arguably the best route runner in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. And Keenan Allen like, there's other people that
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  Speaker 1: can be in the conversation. He's in the conversation, and
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have two way gos against that dude with
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  Speaker 1: no help the whole day. And Keenan Allen cooked him
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  Speaker 1: to the tune of eighteen catches and over two bills,
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  Speaker 1: like he had he had no chance. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: anybody eighty corners gonna hold up out there, no help
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  Speaker 1: against that dude, as polished as he is. And Herbert
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  Speaker 1: was just kind of dialed in, so they chucked it
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  Speaker 1: all over the place. The difference too, And I saw
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  Speaker 1: a stat that got posted. You know, we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys loss in a little bit, but the difference
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  Speaker 1: between Kellen Moore and Mike McCarthy. Kellen Moore, I think
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys were number one in red Zone last year.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're twenty seventh now. It's been their achilles heel.
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  Speaker 1: The Chargers went from way down to the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the league that they're up in the top ten now.
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  Speaker 1: His creativity and ability to kind of finish drives in
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  Speaker 1: this game was the difference the Chargers hold on. They
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  Speaker 1: end up winning this one twenty eight to twenty fourth.
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  Speaker 1: Last thing I'll say, I'll kick it over to Red
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  Speaker 1: on this one. But the best player on the field
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  Speaker 1: defensively in this game was a rookie and it was
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  Speaker 1: twoy Polo two from out of sc He was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I think he had four or five pressures. He had
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  Speaker 1: a sack. He could he could have had three sacks.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those ones where he generates the carnage
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  Speaker 1: and everybody else gets to kind of clean it up.
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  Speaker 1: But he's moving around. I mean, he has been playing
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  Speaker 1: like gangbusters. He is a really, really good football player.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome to hear.
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  Speaker 2: I love getting those little rookie reports, you know, on
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  Speaker 2: guys that you know maybe not getting a ton of
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  Speaker 2: buzz like elsewhere or otherwise, and you find that they're
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  Speaker 2: making an impact on the game.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say on the coaching decision.
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  Speaker 2: If there was anybody, and I'm gonna talk directly into
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  Speaker 2: the microphone that was surprised that Brandon Staley went for
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  Speaker 2: fourth and one from his own twenty four there you
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  Speaker 2: have not been watching the Chargers. I mean, like that
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  Speaker 2: was the most the least unsurprised, the least surprising.
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  Speaker 3: Move from a head coach that day.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you know, you could certainly take some issue with
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  Speaker 2: the way that they went about trying to convert that
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  Speaker 2: fourth down, and look, credit to the defense for making
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  Speaker 2: it stand up, you know, amidst some definite anxious moments there.
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  Speaker 2: So I was not surprised that he ended up doing that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't have been surprised if it ended
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  Speaker 2: up biting them. I mean, that's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: If you're gonna if you're gonna live and die with it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, look, if you're gonna hit sixteen on blackjack,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna hit it all day long. You don't just
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  Speaker 2: pick and choose when you're gonna hit it. You gotta
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  Speaker 2: go for it right each time you're gonna hit you know,
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  Speaker 2: twelve versus two, you have to do it every time.
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  Speaker 3: You don't just pick it along.
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  Speaker 1: As long as you're not on an NFL business related trip,
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  Speaker 1: then you don't go in there because we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We're just talking generalities here, we're just talking general talking strategy.
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  Speaker 3: But let me ask you this first.
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  Speaker 2: And then you can you can get in on the
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  Speaker 2: on the decision making here. But to DJ's point about
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  Speaker 2: the vikings, you know, with a ton of cover zero
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  Speaker 2: cover one in this game, at what point and how
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  Speaker 2: difficult is it for a defensive coordinator to mid stream
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  Speaker 2: kind of flip the script And look, we talk about adjustments.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's making adjustments, But if you have game planned, and
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  Speaker 2: if you have this is the way we want to
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  Speaker 2: attack the Chargers, and now all of a sudden you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna how difficult is it to truly end game kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of reverse course that way?
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  Speaker 2: If this is what you've been working on in a
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  Speaker 2: week of practice to say, hey, look, Keenan Allen's flipping
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  Speaker 2: cooking us over here. We got to do something different.
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  Speaker 2: So how hard is that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's hard to do it in game,
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  Speaker 4: but I guess it depends on what was the goal
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  Speaker 4: of the game going into it, Like what did Brian
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  Speaker 4: Floydes really want to take away? Because I'm looking at
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  Speaker 4: the numbers and yeah, they had four hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 4: five yards, but at the end of the day, I
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  Speaker 4: mean he gave up twenty eight points, He gave up
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  Speaker 4: a touchdown a quarter. They were in the game the
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  Speaker 4: entirety of the game. It was fourteen ten at halftime,
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  Speaker 4: they're there. I'm sitting there looking at third down. They're
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  Speaker 4: five for eleven on third down. I mean, Justin Herbert
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  Speaker 4: had an unbelievable completion rate like forty one to forty
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's crazy, the average nine zero point one
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  Speaker 4: yards per play.
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  Speaker 5: But they didn't allow him to run.
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  Speaker 4: They forced them to play a one dimensional attack, and
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  Speaker 4: then from an offensier standpoint, they controlled it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's tough because statistically you'd be like, man, you gave
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  Speaker 4: up so many yards on the air. But if you
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  Speaker 4: ask them, they had the game the way they wanted it.
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  Speaker 4: They were still right there at the end of the game.
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  Speaker 4: And so we talked about points not yards. I can
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  Speaker 4: see where Brian Floyd is like, the strength of our
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  Speaker 4: team is I back end. I'll put it on not
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  Speaker 4: back end to hold up and Keenan Allen had a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of yards and they did that, but at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, they still had a chance to
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  Speaker 4: win the game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's a fair point. I'll add
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  Speaker 1: a couple other things on that though. If you look
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  Speaker 1: the week before Tennessee, look at look at the difference
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  Speaker 1: in third down with what Vrabel and their group did
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  Speaker 1: against the Chargers versus they obviously played a totally different
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  Speaker 1: style of game. Now, the difference also being that Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Simmons in playing in Minnesota. So that's that's.
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  Speaker 5: They don't have. They don't have a pass rusher outside.
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  Speaker 4: Of Daniel Hunter, Like I know, you've got Marcus Vnpoort
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  Speaker 4: and those guys heard the Hunters the only one, and
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  Speaker 4: so you don't have you don't have a way to
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  Speaker 4: generate it. So all their pressure has to be manufactured.
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  Speaker 4: And so you're trying to quicken the clock. You're trying
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  Speaker 4: to see if you can bake Justin Herbert into that
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  Speaker 4: like a turnover. But look, man, Brian Floyd's and we know,
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  Speaker 4: like he comes from New England, they'll use those snowflake
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  Speaker 4: game plans, something that is unique and creative and and different.
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  Speaker 5: They tried it.
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  Speaker 4: They had the game and if not for Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 4: throwing up look at an untied.
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  Speaker 5: Righty jam one in. Yeah, they clock and they go there.
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  Speaker 5: If they win the game, who's to say that celebrate? No?
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  Speaker 1: That was two two goal line stands, though at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the game the Chargers had two of them
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  Speaker 1: and the On the Viking side of things, let me
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  Speaker 1: give you some good news on the Biking side of things.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, their offensive line is beat up and
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  Speaker 1: they're not great to begin with. In my opinion, I'll
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  Speaker 1: say Cousins hung in there. Cousins got the not kicked
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  Speaker 1: out of him in this game between Bosa and Tuey Peloto.
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  Speaker 1: Mac was back there. Sebastian Joseph Day was hitting him
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  Speaker 1: all game long. He got he got peppered in there,
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  Speaker 1: and I left the stadium thinking another thing too. Jordan Addison, guys,
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  Speaker 1: you know we all liked him coming out. He is
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  Speaker 1: going to be very good. Like it's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be They're gonna have a thousand yard receivers
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  Speaker 1: every year. It's going to be JJ doing his thing,
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  Speaker 1: and he's Jefferson was unbelievable. He was a yard shy.
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  Speaker 1: He was one forty nine. He goes one to fifty.
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  Speaker 1: He'd have been the only receiver in NFL history to
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  Speaker 1: go one fifty plus in each of the first three
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  Speaker 1: games of the season. He missed it by one yard.
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  Speaker 5: He was right there.
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  Speaker 1: He was awesome. But Addison is smooth and fluids his
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  Speaker 1: ability to get in and out. Cousins trust him. Buck,
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  Speaker 1: he's toe tapping on the siline. He looked like you
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  Speaker 1: just sometimes you watch these guys like he looks like
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  Speaker 1: he's been playing this for ten years.
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  Speaker 5: Like he is.
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  Speaker 1: There is no assembly.
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  Speaker 4: Another example of route runners being coveted at a premium.
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  Speaker 4: You think about Kevin O'Connell and what they wanted. They
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  Speaker 4: wanted someone that could compliment justin Jefferson. They wanted to
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  Speaker 4: have interchangeable wide receivers that could win their individual battles
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  Speaker 4: or isolation routes and do all the creative stuff on
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  Speaker 4: the route.
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  Speaker 5: Tree to be able to create these big plays.
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  Speaker 4: Jordan Aison can do that, and for me, I think
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  Speaker 4: it has to change the way that we evaluate wide receivers.
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  Speaker 4: We can put the clock, the stop watches to bid
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  Speaker 4: like it's about your ability to stop, start, get open,
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  Speaker 4: create all this stuff, and we need to see you
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  Speaker 4: at the combine and at your pro day really run
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  Speaker 4: routes to get open because the athleticism is great, but man,
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  Speaker 4: the guys that are able to do it with tactic
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  Speaker 4: and technique, they have an opportunity to do it in
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  Speaker 4: a major way.
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  Speaker 2: How about my dude, Jake Bobo by the way, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into that. I don't think we're hitting on that game,
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  Speaker 2: but kind of fits that bill too.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we'll get bonus, we'll get some bonus stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna transition Buck to his easy here because
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this a few weeks ago. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I love it when we get a chance to
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit ahead of the curve. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember when we talked about the little dudes and we're like, look,
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  Speaker 1: Calvin Austin's had a good camp, Tank Dell's had a
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  Speaker 1: good camp, Jordan Addison's had a good camp. Like all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, too too at Well had been making
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  Speaker 1: plays like We're like, we've been kind of we've been
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  Speaker 1: kind of like you're too little.
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  Speaker 5: You're too little. It's too small.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, Buck, we get the Tank Dell in
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  Speaker 1: the game. You rat but he had a phenomenal game,
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  Speaker 1: and score another one for the little dudes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, score another one for the little dudes. But this game,
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  Speaker 4: to me, DJ like is one thing to.
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  Speaker 5: Go through your pre draft stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And we talk about it and I feel like maybe
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  Speaker 4: sometimes we spend so much time talking about it that
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  Speaker 4: maybe you lose a little bit of your natural feel
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  Speaker 4: for the prospect because we're on TV, we're going back
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  Speaker 4: and forth, we're trying to create different storylines in different angles.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna say this Stroud is as good as
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: we've talked about. He is as advertised, And I know
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: doing the run up to the draft, there was a
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: lot of conversation about other stuff that kind of clouded
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: his event, right.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: All right, the S two By the way, thoughts your
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: prayers to the two tests?
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, DJ, like all this stuff clouded.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, when I'm watching him, this dude looks
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: like a ten year vet in the pocket. They have
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: four offensive linemen missing. The Jaguars are trying to heat
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: him up, and he never flinches. He only got hit
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: four times, but he is delivering dime after dime after
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: dome And.
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: We talked about in the run up to the draft
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: about him being maybe the most natural passer and thrower.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: It is effortless, to the point where when you talk
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: to the coaches for the Jaguars about they're like, man,
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: this dude is I mean, he is legit, like we
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: better get him now because in a couple of years
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: he is going to own it in terms of like how.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: He gets it. I mean, this dude, he's so good.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, you talk about
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: Tank Deal, Tankdal hissed him. Look the game, it is
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: like a ten point game, and this is is a
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: zero hit. It is third and five and they bring
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: all the pressure. Tank Deal escapes and CJ calmly Cooley
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: hissed the layup, I mean perfect pass, oh boy, and
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: he just does it over and over again. And afterwards
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Demiko ryans and everyone's talking about, oh, we got the
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: right quarterback for us.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: The players believe in Brevin Jordan their team.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: We talked about franchise quarterbacks giving guys hope.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: He's that guy. I mean, look, I'm looking.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Three passers have only started their career with at like
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: nine hundred passing yards.
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: He's that. He's one of three to do it. DJ.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: He has no interceptions. We talk about ball securary, he
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: doesn't turn the ball over. For a young guy to
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: play behind up a hodgepodge of mess to not turn
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: it over everything, he's a really good player.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: I can I add one thing on Stroud here and
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: RTT jump in here. By the way, this is the
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: score if you don't know, thirty seven to seventeen. The
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Texans got all over the Jacks. This is one thing
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: in scouting. I think this is a good lesson in scouting.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Every every evaluation is an individual evaluation. We talk about
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: in the past, don't scout the helmet in other words,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: like don't just give a guy grade because he's at
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: a big school versus punishing a guy who's at a
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: small school. But also don't grade a current player on
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: the sins of a past player at the same position.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: They're all different, they're all unique. You can't say that
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Ohio State quarterbacks lump them up together and throw them
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: in a barrel. That he is so different than the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: other guys. He's different than Dwayne Haskins was coming out.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: He's different than Justin Fields was coming out. And I'll
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: pull up the reports. I was curious. I want to
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: go back and look at it. Stroud pure natural thrower,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: outstanding production, has desired arm size, arm and decision making
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: for the position. Decision making a big point in there
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: not a dynamic athlete and a setup. But he always
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: throws off a firm, strong platform, smooth delivery, throws a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: beautiful tight ball. He can layer the ball over linebackers
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and under safeties. Puts a nice loft on deep balls,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: making life easy on pass catchers. His issues arise when
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: he has to move and reset and deliver the ball,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and this causes his accuracy to suffer. The impressive college
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: football playoff performance against Georgia is a notable exception in
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: this department. He's a build up speed runner and lanes
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: open up for him to take off. Overall, Stroud is
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: definitely more of a shooter than a score Bucky phrase.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: He will have success provided the pieces are in place.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It in front of him and on the perimeter. And
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I mean just it was the most natural throwing session
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: at the combat. I remember saying that, specifically saying, I've
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: never seen a more natural throwing such I've seen some
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: guys throw harder, I've seen guys throw farther. I've seen
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: guys make more throws on the move. This was just
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: this ball requires this velocity and pace. He puts that
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: velocity and pace on the ball. It requires this amount
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of loft. He puts that amount of loft on it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Buck He's pure. He is a pure, pure thrower man.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: So you know, DJ, when you call in the game,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: you get there early, so you get a chance to
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: see those guys go through so doing warm ups, like
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: he goes that pre warm up where it's just him
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: and the quarterback coach and whatever. And DJ, the way
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: that he throws in warmups is the same way that
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: he throws in the game. It is all their bodies around,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: but like, it doesn't change motion, doesn't change ball placement,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: none of that stuff changes. And he plays with like
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I would say, a calmness to his game that Khiet
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: never's real quiet, never never speeds up, never does anything
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: or whatever. And I'm jaded because having known him since
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: he was sixteen seventeen, he's the same exact guy. He
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: was the same player when he came through the lead eleven.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: He's the same exact guy and now he's just a
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: little bigger. But he has a maturity about him where
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: you can just feel that the confidence is coming. And
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: when they actually put real wide receivers around him, I mean,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: like high end, it's gonna be a problem.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's really gonna be a problem.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: You guys want me to say something, I was just
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: mesmerized watching the first quarter, second and seven deep ball
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: that tanks out here.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I've watched it about.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: It, you weren't just reading up on like what you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift Kelsey thing.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know what.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I watched it about thirty six times since you guys
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: we were talking, and it's it's like a video game.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the end zone copy like looking at Stroud right,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: so from that end zone. And the best part about
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: this is the camera loses the ball, like you can't
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: see the ball, but what you can do is you
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: can follow the trajectory of it from the shadow on
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the turf. Nice and it's incredible to watch this, like
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the way it I mean, the natural release is awesome,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: by the way Jaguar's getting zero pressure but.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: CJ's back there.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, perfect release, right, and and then
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the thing just.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Goes like it curves right like perfectly.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Around the hash and then like comes back right into
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the arms of Tank Dell with a closing safety that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: it just beats. I mean, it's just it's like a
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: thing of beauty. I mean, I could say I consider
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm watching another thirty six times like it's and there
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was more of them like that, right, I mean you
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: have the deep deep throw actual touchdown later in the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: game to Tank Dell.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: There's a lot to like here about this young quarterback
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: in Houston. He's only getting better.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Can I just add one more thing here? And Buck
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: just put a button on it with this. But we'll
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: get through the rest of these games here, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: these big eight games that we have. But I was thinking, Okay, Trevor,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: many they don't like Trevor's playing great. We know, Zach
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Wilson has been terrible. Justin Fields is struggling, Trey Lance
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: has already been traded. You know, Mac Jones has been okay.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: But that that was a draft that we were talking
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: about maybe being one of the best quarterback drafts we
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: had seen, you know, going back a long time. Man,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: it's not going well for that group right now.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: No, not going well.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: And you know, speaking directly about like Trevor Lawrence, like
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: there's something that's just off. And you know, there's a
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: lot of conversation this week about justin fields and the
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: kind of offense that he needs to be in and
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: those things. And I'm looking at the offense each and
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: every week that Jacksonville has put around Trevor Lawrence.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: It's all the stuff that he did at Clemson.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: They're bubble screens, the shell acrosses, there's things where he
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: has I think the hardest thing to do in our
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: seat as evaluators is to be able to project.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: How someone can play in something differently, you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Know, because you can have the I'm telling you gonna
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: have the pedigree, the intelligence to instincts in those things.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: But sometimes it still doesn't come together because that look,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: the NFL is fast, it's a fast league.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Things happen.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: You got to be able to anticipate the timing and
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: touch and all that, and so it's just you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: we'll see he's been good, but you want more because
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: when you're the number one overall pick, the expectation isn't good,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: it's great.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: And so that's where he's at right now.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: All right, let me take you guys to the Packers
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Saints game at lambeau Field, And for about three quarters
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you were like, all right, Saints are going to roll
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: home here with a big.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Road victory seventeen to nothing. Right, I was falling the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: score and when I was the game I was at
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and I was like oh, that one's over.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Seventeen to nothing. Derek Carr goes down. Now, ordinarily you'd
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, you know that was that was
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the turning point there, And it might have been. But
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston actually came in and made some big throws
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: in this game, and the Saints actually had a chance
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to win it with a fair go ahead or the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: field goal at the end, and they couldn't get it done.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But this game is about Jordan Love. This fourth quarter
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: was about Jordan Love, who, when this game, throws his
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: first career touchdown pass at lambeau Field and in doing so,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: leads the biggest fourth quarter comeback at lambeau Field and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Packers history, all the way back from seventeen down And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: we'll go back to the last two drives here, because
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: that's what I was most interested of, and when his
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: best was required, he gave his best fourth quarter comeback here.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: The big plays from Love on the first touchdown drive,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: third and ten down inside the red zone, twelve yard
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: throw to Jayden Reed, middle of the field, verse drop
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: eight coverage. I mean like he's patient, he waits and
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: bam as soon as Reed uncovers ball right on him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: They're in business.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And then they have trouble getting into the getting over
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the goal line here, and then he gets down to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: fourth and one and like this could be the game here,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and Love takes it himself, jukes a defender at the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: goal line. He's into the end zone. First career rushing touchdown.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the next drive. He's got to scramble
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: for twenty four yards tiptoeing down the left sideline. That
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: gets the drive rolling. And then when you watch the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: tape of this play, here, this Jayden Reid explosive play
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that went for thirty yards. You watch the tape, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: see him manipulate They got one high safety, so he
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: manipulates that post safety for the Saints. With his eyes
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: you can see the safety dark to the right or
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to the left of the offense. And then beautifully, Love
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: comes right back throws a dime to Reid, whose outstretch
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: makes a perfect catch. But by the way, it dropped
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a couple in this game, and he won the only
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: one for Love earlier, and I just you know, it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was fantastic. So thirty yards there. Then on third and three,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: he's got the back shoulder fade ball to Romeo Dobs,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that's essentially the game winner. There's just there was so
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: much there in those last two drives where you're like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: all right, Packers are going to be a good hands buck.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Packers are going to be in good hands.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: And I think we've talked about this on the DJ
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: and I talk. I'm sure we've also mentioned it. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: feel like in a way, and this is going to
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: sound crazy, but I want to make sure I give
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: it a proper context. I feel like Anne Rodger's departure
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: was additioned by subtraction for the team, meaning that once
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: you remove the crutch of having the four time MVP,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: it was going to force Matt Lafleur and this team
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: to play differently and play in a style that I
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: believe is better for them when it comes to the postseason.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: A little more complimentary football, a little more reliance on
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: the running game, a quarterback that is now playing within
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the system as opposed to him being the system, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: in time, because they've drafted well over years, I feel
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: like this would be a team that plays much better
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: than everyone expects.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: We're kind of seeing some of that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: We are also seeing something that we never we talked about,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: but it never happens when the young quarterback sits down
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: and has an opportunity to acclimate to the league. Sometimes
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: it is for the betterment of their development, and we're
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: seeing that with Jordan Love because he didn't have to
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: rush them to the field despite what we all did
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: when we tried to make those early predictions on whether
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: you could play or not. The patience that they exhibited
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: in terms of waiting before he got on the field
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: is being rewarded because now he has a bitter feel
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: for the game.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: DJ just real quick before we get this back to you.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Packers without David Baktiari Elton Jenkins, Christian Watson has yet
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to play this year, No Aaron Jones in this game,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and no gy R Alexander on the defensive side of
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the ball, and they find a way to win. I mean,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that's five top dudes on your team right there.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is impressive. And the other thing I would
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: just add that Bucky used I think the word rare
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to me. The cool thing for Jordan Love is he's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a first year starter, but he's not a first year player.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of his skill players are younger
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: than he is, who are guys that have. He's got
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: all the receivers, so he's actually he's already established himself.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: He can come in and be a leader as a
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: first time starter because he's known everybody in the organization
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in the building for several years and he's he's been
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: there longer than all the guys he's playing with on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the perimeter. So he's already got credibility and leadership established
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: where most guys that's all a big storm scrolling around
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: at once. I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing now,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to establish myself as a leader in trying
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to learn. Like No, he's already got a chance to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: have that foundation laid and now he can not only
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: be a first year start, but a first year starter
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: with some you know, with some leadership qualities there. So
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: it's worked out beautifully for Brian Goudikins and the Green
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Bay Packers, how this whole thing has come together. So
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: a big win for them. The Packers keep rolling, they
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: win eighteen to seventeen over the Saints. Right, we're going
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to take quick break and we come back Titans Browns.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: What we saw on that one, including one of the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: best defensive performances we've seen this year. We'll get to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that right after this. All right, guys, let's jump into
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: this one. This was a thrashing. This was not a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: good matchup for the Tennessee Titans, who have an offensive
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: line that has holes and has issues, and they ran
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: up against really, in my opinion, the most talented defensive
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: player in the NFL.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: TJ.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Watt you can make cases is odd track right now,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: with Micah Parsons in the discussion as well. Both those
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: guys are playing great. Nobody as a rusher is as
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: skilled has everything at their disposal like Miles Garrett does,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and that was on display in this game. They had
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: no answer for him. He was just completely dominant. Three
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and a half sacks, forced to fumble, five quarterback hits.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I went back and watched it. You know, the plays
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: circulating on the internet. You're seeing every with him moving
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: side inside and the tight ends are following him, which
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: is kind of hilarious. But his speed to power is
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: unlike anything that I've seen, just in terms of how
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: dynamic and explosively is. I posted a couple of plays
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: his first two three steps up the field and when
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: he transitioned speed to power, it's a rap man like
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you are on roller skates. Nobody's anchoring that. He just
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: throws tackles port Dillard. I felt bad for Andre Dillard.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: That's a rough one for him trying to stop that charge.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. But Jim Schwartz has this defense rolling.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And Jim Schwartz, you know, I think he had been
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: consulting with the Titans after he left the Eagles as well,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: so I'm sure he knew he knew what the issues
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: were there, and he was able to attack them very,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: very specifically. But two takeaways from the game, but that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: one and Buck I'll get it to you after this,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: but you can go either any way you want. But
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that was the first one was Miles Garrett. Then I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, Deshaun Watson. Gosh, I look
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: at the box score. So then I'm like, I want
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to watch the game and see what I discovered. So
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: as I'm watching it, I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, this
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is he's like two different players when when what we've
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: said in the past is I don't know how great
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: this offense fits him. So I'm like, you know, I'm
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: watching it and I'm charting and I'm like, you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I nein't got to go to PFF afterwards and see
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: what these numbers are, because this is what stands out
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to me is he is infinitely more comfortable in the gun,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: no shotgun, I mean, no no play action. He's different.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: A lot of quarterbacks prefer the play action. It simplifies looks,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it gives them, it gives them more space and depth.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: He has always been more comfortable in a catch rock
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and throw gun attacks. What he did in college, it's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: what he did in Houston under center. Play action doesn't
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: it's not him. That's not who he is and not
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: what he does best. So I'm watching, I'm like, okay,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: let me go pull up these numbers and you can
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: do it pretty easy here. So when they were on
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: play action and it wasn't bad, but on play action action,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: he was nine to fifteen. Okay, he had a touchdown
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: nine to fifteen for one hundred and twelve yards, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: he was saying he took three sacks there. So nine
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to fifteen took three sacks, one hundred and twelve yards
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Now let's go to non play action, which,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: again most quarterbacks like play action. On non play action.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: He was eighteen for twenty two with a drop included
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: in that should have been nineteen for twenty two for
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy seven yards. He had a touchdown,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: no picks, no sacks like that is. At some point
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: in time they got to put it together of like, Okay,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I know what we've done, and I know if I'm
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, what I'm comfortable with. That's not him. He
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: is not a play action quarterback. He's not an under
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: center quarterback. Put that dude in the gun and as
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: buck as you like to say, it is spread and shred.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: That's who Deshaun Watson is.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: So if you go back and we talked about the quarterback,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: that's how he's played his entire life.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: He didn't play under s in Clemson.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: When you look at the best of Deshaun Watson going
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: back to Clemson, it was shotgun, ball out RPOs.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Quick game, quick rhythm thrower. Let him go to work.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: When you go and you.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Think about what they did in Houston with him, it
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: was shotguns, spread it out, give me the matchups, I'll
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: figure it out.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: DJ.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: That's him and what you're seeing and it's a great
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: observation by you. He's a much different player when he's
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: under center than when he's in the gun and doing
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: what he's always done. Will Kevin Stefanski and that crew
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: be able to say, Hey, guys, I know our playbook
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: is built around these things, but the player does this
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: stuff well. And it's the hardest thing for any coach
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: to admit. Man, I love all this stuff, but I
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: spent all season drawing up all my stuff. But my
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: players do something different. They play better doing something that.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: You got to meet him where he's at because they're
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: going to need him to play at his best, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: playing at his best is in the gun.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And it's it's not even and it's not even like
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: just play action under center, Buck, he's in the gun.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: If he's they use some they use him in the gun,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: ride play action pistol player. He's not He's not comfortable
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in any of it. He's just better. Just put him
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: in the side saddle, go empty, whatever you got to do.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Just let him take a three step from the gun
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: rat and let him pick and stick there.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: And look, it's it's about time that they start to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: figure out right what he wants, what he does well.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I mean like it's you know, I know they haven't
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: played a full season yet, but he'd been around now
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Like you hope they can build on this.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile for the Titans, like I mean, I asked this
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: us just to you DJ, and then we can we
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: can move past this game. But is there a team
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: with a smaller margin for error offensively or really team
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: wide than the Tennessee Titans. Like if they can't dominate
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: on the ground with the King, with Derrick Henry.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: It's over, Like they just they don't.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Have those are the two players and Henry.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And it just feels like, you know, at some point,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: are we like, okay, this the way we are currently
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: constructed is going to allow us to find suctin sustained
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: success much longer. Like I think after this year, you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be looking at some you know, some pretty
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: significant roster changes.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Well. I think Jim Schwartz watched that tape against the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Chargers too and realized, look, they hit two home run
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: balls on the Chargers. Chargers just got caught, and Jim
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Schartz like that ain't happening. You've got to have to
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: march the ball against us, and we're gonna and this
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: is not gonna happen, not gonna give that up at
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: three points. So and the Cleveland Browns look that that's
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a great We talk about scheme and player. I don't
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: know there's a better fit. You know, when you look
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: at Jim Schwartz with the personality has it's it's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: really really good fit there.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Buck.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: We teased this game at the top. We talked about
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: at the top. We couldn't avoid it. But we can
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: go a little deeper if you'd like. Here on the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Dolphins seventy burger they put on the Broncos.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: H what do you got for us?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: But no, this is what everyone wanted to see from
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: this offense when MIAMC Games took over. So what we
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: wanted and what we thought we were getting from the
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins when they hired McGinn. We thought we were
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: getting the Cols shanahan running game. Okay, So now the
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: first year we saw a spread attack that was built
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: around TOA and Tyreek Hill and the.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Fast guys outside.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: So you have we just talked about building your passing
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: game around what the quarterback does well. So MIKEI Danias
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: did a great job of taking Hey Tua does a
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: lot of quick rhythm shows. We talked about him being
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: like a blackjack dealer at a Vegas casino.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: That's what he does. He can get it out or whatever.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: So now they've been able to take that pass attack
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: and then begin to put some of the Shanahan running
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: game with it. And when it comes together like it
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: came together on Sunday against the Broncos, it is a
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: problem because both things present different challenges to the defense
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: and the defensive coordinator. Obviously Ban Joseph and the Broncos
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: couldn't stop any of it, but it is a difficult set.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Of concepts and things to defend.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: And when the Dolphins have it rolling, good luck, because
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: to stop the running game requires you to play a
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: certain weight on defense. You may have to play more
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: man to man to stuff the box, but you play
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: man to man against that track team that they have outside,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: you're inviting them to bust the clock on you in
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the passing game. I'm waiting for the team to crack
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the code on how to defend this team. But right now,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, I don't know if there's a better
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: offense we've seen in the Miami Dolphins.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we were always kind of waiting, like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: all right, we know they've got the speed, right, we
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: know that that Tyreek and Jalen when he's healthy, that
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they can roll and they can push the ball down
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the field, they can run.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Those deep overs.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I think Tyreek Hill was in the scouting report for
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: the Broncos this week, although they sure did leave him
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: uncovered on that first drive and obviously that was a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: bust and so they got issues there. But I felt
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: like we were always kind of waiting, you know, for
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: what we knew was possible with a Mike McDaniel led
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: run game plan. And man, I don't know that you
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: will ever see and this is the first time we've
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: ever seen it. Three hundred and fifty plus passing, three
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty plus rushing in NFL history. Like they're
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: not going to get that every week. But if you're
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: talking this team's capable of two hundred on the ground
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and two fifty in the air every week, what do
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you take away, DJ.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I was just looking up some some numbers because
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I was curious on this and I can swing it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I can swing it back to buck quickly on this one.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But you know, comparisons. Often we look at body types first,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and that's the comparison that you make. You can have
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: a similar game in a different body and just just
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: off of this, I'm just taking Obviously this the Tyreek
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: one's deeper, but we'll get to the A Chane one
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: here in a second. But if you look at it,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the closest thing that Tyreek Hill that we've seen in
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the NFL, I mean is Randy Moss. I mean, they're
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: totally different body types. But Randy Moss played at a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: different speed and Buck you saw him, I mean, yeah,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: he was just different. He looked different than everybody else.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Do you play, you watch the games every week. He's different,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: He's faster than everybody. And then you look at that
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: same biking team. You remember in the backfield they had
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Robert Smith. Now Robert Smith and A Chane and Devin
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Ah Chane have totally different bodies. But I'm like, in
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: some weird way, Robert Smith was a track star Ohio State,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I believe went to school, so you've got he was
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: brackstar running back and the fastest receiver in the NFL.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: In some ways, this this kind of this looks a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: little bit like the old like Minnesota Vikings, that offense
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that took the league over with Brian Billock is the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator back on those teams.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Buck, Yeah, you know what I'm try about that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Rahie Moster also has a very accomplished, like track background.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: So you just talk about.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: The speed that they have and how they can attack it,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: but Han gives them a different dimension.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Is one of the things.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: You know, DJ, when we were doing the evaluation and
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the running backs and so you look
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: at all the other guys, look at Zach from an
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: AEC and he's just hammering Dwayne McBride from u A
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: just and then I was like, I was like, okay,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: then put the texta in and he's like whoa all.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Over the all over the place, and it's whatever.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: And then you realize, like, oh, he's like though, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the Dolphins have found a way to put him on
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: the field and allow him to uh be an effective
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: weapon despite his size deficiencies. And it's a album just
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: to speed overall, and we've said it the number one
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: thing that you have to have. Like we can talk
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: about size or whatever, but you want a fast team
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: because fast teams create big plays. They create turnovers on
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: defense because the speed is everything and the Miami Dolphins
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: have a similar world class track team, and because of that,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: they wanted teams to be feared.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you, can I ask you one question.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I'll go to red on this one. You put the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: for sale sign up in the yard? If you're Denver,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: do you say, hey, you know Simmons, maybe maybe Certain
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: just say hey, we gotta we got to reboot this thing.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't do Certain.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: He's a building block, all right, Like you got to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: have something right that you can you can hang your
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: hat on.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: But I feel like at some point here, you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: you'll start.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: To look at those receivers, right, Judy Sutton, you know
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: they they already.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Pushed that for sales sign up. They didn't get any nibbles.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about real assets. I'm talking about real dudes,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and say we are going to take this down to
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: these studs.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Did you chompaign comments about trying to win the off
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: season and all the other stuff, Like they had a
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: team that was trying to win the off season, and
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: they spend so much time worrying about that that they
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: didn't necessarily build a team I mean.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: He definitely is firing all shots.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: I mean he kind of threw the management team and
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: everybody under the bus about the construction of the squad.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: But they're not a good squad right now. And we
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: can put it all over Russ for a minute, but
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: it's beyond that. You give him seventy points and you
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: play the way that they play. It's more than just
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Russell Wilson.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Why don't you reunite Why don't you have Joe call,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: call Sean and see if we could reunite Hacket with
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson again.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: If that don't work, have like eighty five, have like
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: eighty five, what like ninety million dollars on a quarterback room.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: They'll go, well, so, but.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I wouldn't. I'm out of who the player would be.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know who it would be, but I could.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I just think, Yeah, I mean run the under the bottom. Yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I think you're on the right track though.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get to the next one here.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Rhtt are you up here? What do we got?
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah? We talking bears chiefs now yep. Oh, Because this.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: All right? If you do one Taylor Swift pun I'm
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: gonna kick you off the show. So just no, that's
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: not allowed.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: DJ.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I had planned to not mention the Chiefs, Okay, not
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: at all, because.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: They did what they did.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: What they do.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: They beat up on teams are supposed to beat up on.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: They're far better personnel wise, scheme wise, coaching staff wise
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: than the Bears right now. And they showed it and
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: they proved it. So let's dig in on the disaster
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that is the Bears offense here for a second. So
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I just kind of went in and wanted to see
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: what this thing looked like. And I watched the first
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: drop back from Justin Fields. He's in his own end zone,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: which you know is in a great start, but he
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: actually makes a really he makes a really good play,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like he gets out of some trouble, like he is
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: scrambling for his life out to the right, makes a
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: pinpoint throw and they get like a ten twelve yard game,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: get and get some breathing room. And I watched the
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: second play and the right guard gets absolutely destroyed and Fields,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: you know, is in trouble like from the jump and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it wasn't even Chris Jones, right, And so then the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: third play, Casey has the deal. They have four guys
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: ready to tackle what essentially is a two man route combo.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Both guys going vertical down the field. Nobody open, nobody
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: open fields throws in DJ Morre's direction, but they got
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: no chance at It's essentially a throwaway, and he's getting
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: pressure by the way because he's holding it, waiting, waiting.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Nobody's there. All right, next play he gets good. This
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: is all in like the first quarter here, and I
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: was like, all.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Right, please don't do too much more of this. This
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: is painful, listen, I know, but I'm.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Just telling you it gets gets good protection. Another two
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: man deeper route combo. Again, no shot, Like they keep
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: challenging it deep down the field with two guys and
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: there's nobody in the middle of the field for high
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: percentage completions, I mean like the third and six, third
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and seven, and they've got these deep routes well covered.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: There's nobody challenging the sticks but nobody they're sending a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: little delay out to the flat like at the.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: End, but in the field is just sitting there.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Here's a sitting duck and it's just like a microcosm
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: of that you know, ten to twelve place secrets sequence
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: that I'm talking about like a microcosm of what we're
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: talking about here, Like for the whole game, I don't know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: part of it's on justice and like everybody takes a
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: piece of the blame here, I think is the ultimate conclusion.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: Such, it's such a crazy thing to watch.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, I understand his challenges in those things, but
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: just the level of inebstitute from this offense is beyond belief,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: from personnel to scheming to just the executions quarterback and others.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: It is crazy.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: And to come off the week that they had when
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: everyone is talking all the conversation and.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Man, that was a bad that's a bad week for them,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: And that's not the opponent you want to face coming
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: off oh, really bad week.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, usually find refuge in between the white lines and.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they got and they got beat the sleeping
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know where it goes. They've lost thirteen in
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: a row for the first time in franchise history. Uh,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: they don't have any confidence as a team. If you're
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: mad ALUs, I mean, I don't know even know where
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: you start, you know, like trying to figure out how
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: to how to pick up the pieces on this team
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: on the offense, on the quarterback.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: That's a tough one. Tough one.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: The weird the weird thing is like, yo, if you
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: wanted to make a change, like where are you going offensively?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Like if you're saying like it's not working with Luke Getzi,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you know, like all right, now, what you know?
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's taken this long to get to
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: this point, you know where like you've.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Been trying to find all right, give them some time
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: to get used to each other, to figure things out
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know that there's an easy
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: solution here.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think that solution comes. So to warn Detroit
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: for the draft, that's when that solution comes. Yeah, we'll see,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see who all's who allys left there.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: But that's this current mix is not good. I can't
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: even spend any more time on this because this is
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: just like it's painful. They're there and there's the reason
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: why the Jets Patriots is not on.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I don't you know what, DJ, I don't think they
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: can shake it off, you know, I just don't.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Think they can.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: So bad, that's so bad. I thought you're I thought
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: you were gonna go somewhere ELSEI I thought, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: if they just love to see him just get to seventeen,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you know, can they just yes? All right, that's why
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I said no. I didn't want to go down that road.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: But that's also why Patriots. So for those that are listening, going,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: is he going to break down Patriots Jets? No, because
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to subject myself to having to watch that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the game. I was at another game
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: this morning. I have so much time. There's games I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: want to study, There's things I'm curious about. Out of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: respect for the game, I can't do it. I can't
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: do that. I didn't want. I just didn't want to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: spend my Monday morning watching that. I couldn't do it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: The Sunday night Er Steelers beat the Raiders twenty three
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to eighteen.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: TT.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I'll let you get back on the decision here, because
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: we've been you know, I think we have the numbers,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the odds. You can read those off here in just
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: a minute. Yeah, McDaniel's going for it late, which was
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: very curious, to say the least. I'll just say this
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: a couple things. Yeh, can he Pickett? I thought he
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: played well. I thought he trusted his eyes. I thought
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: he threw the ball well. I thought it made sense
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: what they were doing. They mixed in some screens, they
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: took shots down the field. He just looked like it
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: was I don't want to say screw it, but it
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: was just kind of he was just like, you know what,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: just I'm just gonna play. I'm just gonna sit back here,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit my back foot, I'm gonna trust it,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let it rip. There was no hesitancy.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I thought there was a little he was a little
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: unsure early in the season. In those first couple of games.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: He just wasn't playing with confidence, and I thought it
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: was just kind of a screw it type game. He
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, no, I'm gonna take my shots wherever,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: wherever they are. I'm gonna use my legs and create,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: which he did, which I love to see because he's
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: really athletic when he gets on the move. I just
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: thought I thought he did it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Really.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I thought he did a really nice shot. With their defense.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: If he plays just that, that's the bar he plays
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: at that level, there'll be a playoff team because the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: defense is so good.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he used his athleticism a little bit too.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: On a number of plays he kind of got out
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of the pocket and showcase that he can, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: actually make some moves. The throw down field Alvin Austin
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: was awesome, Like that was a heck of a way
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to start the game right on that deep shot and
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: it gave the.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Little guys big yeah there it is, see all right.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: So this is courtesy of our our buddy Bill Smith,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: who does a great job with all the analytics and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: research for us, and you put this in here on
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: this email from Bill who was talking about the win
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: probability percentages based on the decision making from Josh McDaniel.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: So let me just run through this first part to
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: set the stage here.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: They had the ball at the three point fifteen mark
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: of the fourth quarter, down eight, right, so one score game,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: need a touchdown, two point conversion. They got a fourth
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: and five from the Pittsburgh twenty nine. They decided to
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: opt for a Daniel Carlston field goal at that point,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: which they kicked and it was good. I was like,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: you know what, at that point, all right, I get it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: There's three fifteen left. Like, even if you don't get
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the stop on you know, they get a first down,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you're still okay, you have all three timeouts to the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: two minute warning.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I understand. I kind of understood it at that point.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Right then they actually get you know, some good fortune,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and there's a penalty call leverage call on Demarvin Leal,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: and so they actually get a personal foul fifteen yards
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: moving the ball down the field. They take the three
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: off the board and they're trying to go get the touchdown. Well,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: then a whole nother minute comes off the clock and
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: find themselves in another fourth and four situation, this time
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: from the Pittsburgh eighth, and they still opt to kick
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the field goal on fourth down, And so that part
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of it, like the second time doing it, I was like, okay,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: this this feels like this might come back to bite them.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: So here's what the win probability did.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Essentially, Josh McDaniels lost five point four percent of win
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: probability by deciding to kick the field goal on fourth
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and four with two twenty five to go. If the
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: win probability with the field goal was just eight point
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: five percent, if they would have gone for it, the
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: win probability was almost fourteen percent if successful on the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: fourth down. The win probability is twenty six percent if
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: unsuccessful three point five, but the conversion probability was forty.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not with the math on that one. Yeah.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Jimmy Garoppolo was under constant duress
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: in this game.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Well, Jermaine the Luminar is not. That's not a great
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: matchup with t J.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Watt.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Let's just let's just be I'll be nice about it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that buck.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: No, And for the stillness, it's just another way that
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: they find a way to win ugly and they just
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: stack enough wins until they find their stride. It's another
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: ugly win defensive kind of defense kind of led the way.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: You're right about Kenny pickyt being able to just kind
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: of find enough place on offense in the passing game
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: to kind of keep them going. But Mike Tomlin typically
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: finds it out, figures it out, and as long as
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: they continue to win these games and whatever fashion that
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: they can win him in the first half of the year,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: we know they're gonna be a much better team down
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: the stretch, uh, barring any injuries. And so they go
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: the two and one sit at the top of the
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: AFC North with Baltimore.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: All right, last last game. We'll jump into here and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: then maybe a couple nuggets here at the end. But
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I want to start before I Bucky jumps on this game. Look,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I try to live my life with proper morals and integrity,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and when I screw up, I'll tell you I screwed up.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I've done it a million times on players I've screwed
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: up on. But I thought this was a slam dunk,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: foregone conclusion that the Arizona Cardinals would have the first
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: pick in the draft. They're going to be the worst
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: team in the league. And all they've done is be
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: competitive and then go out and knock off what had
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: been the most dominant team in the NFL and the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and did it pretty convincing fashion. So Jonathan Gannon,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: please accept my apology. Many Austin Ford is a good buddy.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Please accept my apology. You have put a team on
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the field that is competing. Their rear ends off, and there's.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: The fire of the gut. I think, yeah, we all fires.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: In the gut to me, So that Buck, you can
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: go in on this game whatever way you want to go.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: But I just wanted to issue a formal apology and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: say I was wrong. I was wrong. You guys have
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: put a competitive product on the field. It's more than
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: it's been a good product for the first three weeks.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a good product. Josh Dobbs.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: How about that, Josh Dobbkins his first win of his
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: career as a quarterback, seven years into the league.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: He finally gets it done.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: There's some things that I don't even know if we
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: saw him do much at University of Tennessee, running his
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: own rings, getting outside, playing with a lot of emotion
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: and firepower. But this is a team that is kind
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: of scrappy. I didn't expect them to be scrappy, and
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: sometimes we can get bogged down by the I would
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: say awkward presser, the awkward initial press conference, or the
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: awkward behind the scenes stuff that we saw on Jonathan Gannon.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: But whatever it is that they're selling in the building
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: is working. Team plays hard, team is competitive. They were
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: able to get a dub against I mean to get
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: a dub against the.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Cowboys had been crushing people. I mean they crush the Giants,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: they crushed the Jets.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: And so they figured out they're playing just well enough
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: on offense not messing it up, and in defensively they
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: were able to kind of get it done against the
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Cowboys team that should have been able to just go
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: up and down the field.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: It will, Yeah, I mean it, Uh just kind of shocked,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: you know, watching the whole thing unfold, and I guess
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: we you know, maybe you know the way they played
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the Giants last week, and maybe we shouldn't be, but
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I think that this team will. Definitely they may not
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: win a ton of games this year, but they're gonna
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: give some people trouble. Is probably the best way that
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I can. They're they're they're not laying down for anybody.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: And Cowboys continue to have issues.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: As we mentioned a little bit earlier in the red
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Zone that has been a bugaboo continues to be an
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: issue for them. They've got to get that resolve and
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: get that fixed. I would also say, you know, one
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: of the one of the storylines that maybe didn't pay
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: attention to in this one is that Jonathan Gannon has
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: been in Philadelphia. He's very familiar with Dallas, he's very
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: familiar with their personnel, and maybe that played a part
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: in here as they were able to get a big
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: win all right through some of these other games real quick.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I'll just run through them. If there'snything else you guys
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: want to add Patriots Jets. As I mentioned, it's Zach Wilson.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: It's not working. It's there's no no, nothing else needs
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to be said. It's like to me in high school,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: if you're failing Spanish too, and you drop the course
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: so you can pick up a teacher's assistant class, and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: two weeks later they throw you back in Spanish too,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: You're like, I don't want to be in here. All right,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: field this I dropped this class. What are you doing me?
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Let me just let me just help this teacher? Great,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: some papers over here, like what, I don't want to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: do this, but they've got to figure something out there.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: The Bills and the Commanders with that was a butt kicking.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: The Bill's thirty seven to three. All is right, Buffalo right.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Now, Bill's defense. That's I think it's for real.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: And you know what, they lost Tremaine Edmonds in free agency,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: but that linebacker corps might be better this year with
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Terrell Bernard and not Milano.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Bernard was incredible this last week.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And then Colts Ravens maybe one of the biggest surprises
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: on that one buck the Colts with Gardner Minshew, they
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: go and I know the Ravens are missing seven starters. Nonetheless,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: that is not an easy place to play, and that
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: is a rivalry they take seriously in Baltimore for obvious reasons.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: That's a big win for the Colts.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, big win for the Coles. Gana Minchew finds a
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: way to kind of make enough place. Now he also
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: has some bonehead blunders it he did it, but they
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: were able to overcome it. But how about the day
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: for the kicker being able to knock you down, being.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Able to get its four from fifty plus.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: I mean that's unbelievable. Like they have a long distant kicker.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: So you never really like kickers until you need a kicker.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Indianapolis Colts soon may have a greater appreciation for the
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: kicking game.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: No one loves competing and playing football. I can't say
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: no one. There are a few who love competing and
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: playing football as much as Gardner Minshew does. Like the
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: joy that dude plays with is awesome.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I would also add one more thing on those guys, Uh,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: they got after the passer a little bit with their
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: defensive front. Let's see, say or Franklin had a sack,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Cam had a sack. Quity pays gonna be a good player,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: starting to come into his own. He had one. Tavi
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and Brian had one, So they've did a nice Brian,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I know, how about that? Be honest with yourself. Did
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you know that Tavi and Brian was playing for the
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Colts right now? Be honest there? Pick Yeah, last one.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't see any of this game, so I can't
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: comment on it. But Panthers Seahawks. The Seahawks win that one,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: thirty seven twenty seven. Either of you guys catch any
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: of that one.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I caught the stiff arm that Zach Charboney put on
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: a Panthers unsuspecting member of the secondary on his way
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: to the end zone. Charbon Ay and Kenneth Walker essentially
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: are the That's the way they.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Want to win, and they're going to beat you up
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: doing it.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's old school. It's old school for them, as
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: Pete Carroll, and it's the way that they want to play.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: They want to beat you up, they want to run it,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: they want to play defense, and they've been able to
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: do it for a long time in Seattle, so no
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: need for them to change it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, So this is this was fun. Man
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: went through. We went through a bunch of stuff today.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I always love it when we kind of get in
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: some of those deeper discussions as were able to do.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Really enjoyed it. You know what I'm doing. I'm off
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: to go buy a texedo because my daughter's getting married
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in two weeks. Two weeks, two weeks, just getting married,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and so I've got to I was going to rent
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: by thing, and I somehow convinced myself that you know what,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: there might be other big, big events and uh then
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I'll never have to run a tuxedo again. Wow, it'd
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: be this could be flawed thinking. I know he is
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: my he is my clothing consultant. I'm going to be
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: at Nordstrom in about two hours. If you'd like to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: meet me down at Fashion Valley in San Diego in
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: two hours. Fortune to get there, so quick quick question,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: quick pull for the group pair for the panel tuxedo,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: we go long tire bow tie.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, you want to be classic or you want
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: to be a little bit more like polish Modern is
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: going to send you with the with the tie.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, but I think I think James Bond style, you
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: got to go to bowtie dude like that.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: You got to go Sean Connery. I would expect you
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: to be very uh, debon and dapper.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see you as a as a bow
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: tie guy.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like I don't want to be the
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: person who's trying too hard. I want to be a
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: properly aged apparel forty five years old.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: I think I think the shoe game is really more important.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Make sure we get we have some nice shoes.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I got the shiny too. I think there are are
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: you going are you going like a shiny black?
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Are you going with the pad and leather? You're going
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: with the pad and leather joints? Make sure you get
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: a good, nice nice.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: So would you go leather over the shine man? Well
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: oh no no, but.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, but like, if you're going to do it,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: you got to do it the right way. Don't don't
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: have those rental joints.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Just make sure they're looking good. Yeah, yeah, but answer
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: me the question. You know what I'm talking like, do
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: they need to be like, oh shiny like you can classic? Yeah,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you've got to have the sta face them.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, and bull.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Tie and you need to practice you like that first
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: dance and all that other stuff.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: You got to get yourself ready. No, the best part
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: about it, you know, the best part about that. I'm
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: glad you mentioned that my daughter did me a solid
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: on that and she was like, look, you know, it's
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of a weird part of the
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: wedding is that everybody's just staring at you doing the
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: father daughter dance. The first dance off, She's like, so
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: she cut the songs down to a minute, so she's like, hey,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: that's hey work, that's a couple of these one chorus,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: we are done, one twirl and then boom, let's get
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: on with the show here. So that's uh, that's big. Yeah,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I can believe that night. Yeah, she's twenty two years old,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: just getting married in two weeks. So it's busy for
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: for me over here. Okay, yeah, very busy, hotly smokes.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: So I'll say I'll let you guys know, I'll send
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you a text if I go bow tire a regular time.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I think I'm waiting towards the bow ta I think
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I like that more of a classic age appropriate.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Look, Yeah, you're gonna be a good shaped all right.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I appreciate Uh. If you have. If you want to
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: weigh in on that, go ahead and send us, send
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: me a tweet down that let me know, leave us
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: a review.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: We appreciate that.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: In the review, yeah, leave us a rating and review,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and let me know if I should wear a long
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: tire of bow tie. I appreciate it, all right. We
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: got plenty more coming your way this week four more episodes.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for those, including number one thousand,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the thousandth Move the Sticks episode. Uh, that's going to
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: be coming your way. I believe Friday is when that's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: going to air, So be on the lookout for that. Anyways,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: we'll see you next time right here on Move Sticks.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Mhmm.