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Warhammer 40K and the Philadelphia Eagles with Carly Cosgrove · Rock For Initiative

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  What's up? And welcome to another exciting
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  edition of Rockford Initiative. My name's Phil, and I'm your
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  host. Tonight I get to talk to one of
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  my favorite people in the world, Lucas from Carly Cosgrove, an
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  amazing, amazing musician. Also just a really chill guy.
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  We're going to talk about Warhammer 40K, but we talk about
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  mostly Warhammer 40K if we're being honest.
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  There's a lot we cover. Lucas's like intro to model
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  painting. We go like super in depth into
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  the war. It's very cool.
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  If that's not your thing, I would tell you you should listen
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  to it anyways. But also like you can skip
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  through. We also talk about like the
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  Eagles. We get into some like really
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  cool like background stories about Carly Cosgrove and like
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  how they perform live. Check out Carly Cosgrove if you
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  haven't already. I don't know what rock you've
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  been hiding under, but Carly Cosgrove is amazing.
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  Also, make sure that you get out to see them if you are anywhere
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  in the path of their tour. They're touring with Free Throw
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  and Microwave in the next couple of months.
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  They're also playing a headliner in November in West Virginia.
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  And then they just announced the tour next year, early next year
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  in Europe with Spanish love songs, which is pretty cool.
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  This is the Carly Cosgrove. And yeah, here's Lucas.
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  All right. I am here with Lucas from Carly
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  Cosgrove. Lucas, how are you doing today?
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  I'm doing great today. Phil, how are you doing?
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  I am. I'm very good.
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  I'm very excited to talk to you. Lucas reached out to me and
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  wanted to talk about Warhammer 40K, and I can think of nothing
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  more exciting than to hear you talk about how you got into
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  this. You're like you.
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  You mentioned lore, which I know Warhammer is like steeped in as
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  we kind of like get into the subject.
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  For people who are listening who may not be super familiar with
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  Warhammer might like myself included, tell us a little bit
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  about what it is and maybe like your entry point into into the
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  fandom. Sure thing.
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  I'm going to approach this as if I'm trying to explain it to
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  somebody who has never heard about it.
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  And I think that that requires that requires an acknowledgement
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  of some like a comprehensive history of the company that made
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  it and kind of what it is. It is it ostensibly in the late
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  70s, early 80s, you see Dungeons and Dragons gain a lot of
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  popularity. There is a company in the United
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  Kingdom called Games Workshop who makes really detailed,
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  probably just pewter metal figurines to use for Dungeons
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  and Dragons play. And they say, how can we make
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  more money? And they figure, well, if we get
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  people to buy multiple miniatures to play a game
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  instead of just the one they're using for the dungeon, then we
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  can make like buku bucks. So they release their tabletop
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  war game, which is Warhammer Fantasy, all the, you know,
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  Tolkien tropes. They add a couple of things here
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  and there and they're the premise of Warhammer's.
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  Just their general ethos tends to be the more tragic side of
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  fantasy. So everything is a little bit
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  depressing. And to make this setting go on
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  lore wise, every single faction has to be locked in a perpetual
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  stalemate. But I think probably sometime
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  around the 80s after Star Wars, they went, what if it was in
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  space? And then that's how that yields
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  Warhammer 40,000, which goes through a bunch of different,
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  you know, kind of refreshers until you land on what came
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  about in 3rd edition. For reference, we're on 11th
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  edition now as of recent where they said we're going to make
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  this the most self serious to the point of parody atmosphere
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  internally to the lore. I will get into that more later.
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  But yeah, the the other premise of it being locked into an
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  internal stalemate and this is something kind of important
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  world wise, is there are no good guys in the entire setting.
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  That is part of it. And I'm, I'm, I'm just sharing
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  my experience. I am sort of an outside observer
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  to the inner community. There are a lot of toxic sects
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  of the fandom of this community. I think you could say that about
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  almost any like nerdy fandom or really any fandom period.
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  But but yeah, I think there's also plenty of of of good eggs
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  out there. For sure.
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  I mean, I, I didn't OK. I will also briefly touch on my
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  relation to the game just so you know where I'm coming from.
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  I'm not claiming to be an expert at 40 Ki just want to share my
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  like my, my journey with it and how I came to love it.
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  It started, I was probably 8 or 9 years old and I saw my cousins
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  and their older friend painting miniatures and they were like
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  the size of my thumb. I had a couple that I'll
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  probably show later the next to me the size of my thumb.
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  And I was like, what is this? And then I got a very, very
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  cursory look into some lore and I thought it was so cool.
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  And then, you know, I begged for, you know, plastic kits for
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  oh, I should also explain Warhammer and 40K is made-up of
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  a bunch of different plastic kits that you assemble yourself
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  and paint yourself and used to play tabletop war games.
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  These kits are very expensive. I think it's bullshit.
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  Somebody at a game store, somebody at a game store once
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  told me, no, you don't understand.
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  Games Workshop uses very like intricate and precise plastic
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  molding so that all these details on these really small
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  miniatures that are the size of your thumb can be as detailed as
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  they are. So I can give them that
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  Mulligan. But also, I don't know, like
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  there are some figurines that are going like, again, one
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  figurine in like a blister pack the size of my thumb is like 50
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  bucks just because it's good And isn't it stupid?
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  It's it's a weird barrier to entry.
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  It's a very difficult barrier to entry and the like for as much
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  as I and I'll get into what I love about it, but first I need
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  to kind of talk about what I hate about it.
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  The company that makes it is very much interested in creating
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  a harder and harder barrier to entry.
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  They often make older units unusable in tournament play.
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  They have tournaments where in order to field your models, you
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  have to paint them a certain way.
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  It has to be, you know, the sanctioned plastic.
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  You can't use proxies of other models.
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  Like it's very like, my one regret is that it is kind of a
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  money pit. That being said, and I'll get to
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  this, I've not been spending money on it when I can help it.
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  I got these minis first when I was 10 or 12 years old and I
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  painted them very poorly and I built them very poorly because I
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  was an impulsive 10 or 12 year old.
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  And then I forgot about them for years.
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  And then in 2021 I found all of my miniatures in my parents
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  basement. And I thought how fun would it
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  be to just like rehab these, try to put them back together with
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  the care that I couldn't when I was a little kid.
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  So I go to the dollar store. I grab paint stripper, I put all
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  these plastic miniatures in a VAT for a month and I scrub off
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  all this old hobby paint with a toothbrush and then I start from
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  scratch and you know, five years later I've painted 10
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  miniatures. But but I in this last week and
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  honestly, I think the prospect of coming on and talking about
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  this got me really excited about it.
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  I've since like put into sub assembly and primed got ready
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  for painting an additional 14. So I'm very excited to like, you
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  know, continue on this. Sorry, that was the tangent I
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  had to go on for my I I have I my favorite aspect of 40 Ki
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  think in order at the top is the hobby.
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  I like doing something that is called kid bashing, which is
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  when you take an existing kit, like an existing model, and you
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  mix and match parts to make something that is wholly unique
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  to you. It kind of allows something that
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  is supposed to be set in stone as like its own plastic kit to
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  kind of function a little more like Lego than not.
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  And it makes it feel like a more personalized thing to you.
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  But also I prefer it to working with like just making something
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  from scratch because a lot of the details you want are already
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  there. They're already in the kits.
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  So it's just you get to paint in a lot of broader strokes when
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  you are, you know, cutting plastic arms off of sprues and
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  put it in different places than you want.
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  And I think that creativity and the care that goes into making a
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  miniature figurine that's the size of your thumb that is still
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  based in reality is a very nice mindfulness activity.
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  I also had no, like, background for the lore of the setting when
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  I was a little kid. And it wasn't until 2022 that I
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  started listening to some podcasts, you know, finding some
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  more comedy and more entertainment leaning
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  descriptions of lore online than not and kind of understanding
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  the the nuances of the setting a little bit.
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  I find it interesting and, and I, I am someone who is into
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  Dungeons and Dragons, like Rockford Initiative.
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  That's, that's kind of the whole shtick.
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  And, and the idea that was originally behind the podcast
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  was I'm going to talk to people about Dungeons and Dragons.
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  So far, I think it's just one person that I've talked to about
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  Dungeons and Dragons out of like 15 interviews so far.
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  But a big part of that for me, a few years ago, I got a 3D
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  printer and I'd start creating these miniatures and, and I'm a
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  terrible artist, but like just the, the premise, like the, the
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  thought of like painting them and like getting to create these
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  like characters like that resume that resonates with me really
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  well. I'm very bad at actually
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  painting them. And you can see the one like
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  there's a figure back here. I've got several on my desk that
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  are all printed in white because I'm like, I'm going to paint
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  this someday and then it never happens.
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  But but definitely to understand the the the idea behind like kit
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  bashing appeals to me greatly. There is nothing you can do to
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  that miniature that I haven't done worse to mine, if that
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  gives you any incentive to start.
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  Yeah, yeah, I, I have, I have started, I bought paint.
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  I went and bought like hobby paint at my local game store
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  support small businesses and I, I have some that I painted.
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  I don't know where they are. I just haven't gotten around to
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  all of the ones that I want to paint.
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  I understand that the the minis that are next to me, some of
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  them have just been staring at me for years because I've been
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  scared to start. That too.
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  That too. Because what it becomes precious
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  to you to actually like finish it, you just like, but it's not
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  perfect. A lot of a lot of the reason why
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  most of my miniature sat unpainted for four years is
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  because in kit bashing, I took so much away from certain limbs
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  that I had to add. And to add means that you
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  supplement, you know, muscles, different parts of the body, you
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  know, gaps in the in the between the plastic with modeling putty.
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  And I didn't want to fuck that up because that required actual
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  sculpting. And what it took was getting
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  over your inhibitions and just doing it honestly.
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  And I'm glad I did because it's not perfect, but it doesn't have
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  to be because it's a miniature. This, this is my tagline for
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  this episode. The size of your thumb that you
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  know you're going to see from afar anyway.
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  And you know, it's and, and you have to learn somehow.
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  You can't be too precious about things like that, I think.
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  That's fair. I, I definitely, it's very
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  daunting for me. Like like I'll buy a journal and
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  I'll be and I'll start writing in it and I will, I will get to
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  a point where I'm like, oh, I don't like how that turned out.
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  So now I need to go buy a new journal.
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  What are you? What, are you worried that
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  somebody's gonna read it like you're gonna?
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  It's a great question. It's a great, it's like this
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  weird mental block, but I I think you're right, right.
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  You just have to. You just have to get started,
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  and the only way to begin is by beginning, as they say on Game
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  Changer. I also am a drop out fan.
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  I'm glad you brought that up. But it's funny you mentioned
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  that because I just started reading a book called The
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  Artist's Way and one of the things that it has to do as a
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  prompt is there. One of the non negotiables is
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  you do a morning journal. You write 3 pages every day and
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  there's no rule other than you need to fill 3 pages.
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  You can write I don't know what to write over and over again.
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  All work and no play makes Jack a Dole Boy style for three pages
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  just to get it out of your system.
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  Yeah. And that is something I intend
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  to begin tomorrow. Like, I'm glad you said.
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  I'm serious. I'm glad you said that because I
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  like literally just started the journey of trying to journal and
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  do that. Yeah, it's hard.
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  It's I don't know what the mental block is.
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  And I definitely feel like I've gotten better as I've gotten
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  older. Like young me was very much a
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  perfectionist, Older me has seen some stuff and so I'm like a lot
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  more forgiving of myself when it comes to messing stuff up.
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  But anyways, that's a, that's a fun tangent.
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  So you gave me, which I I think is really fun to share.
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  You gave me like an outline of what you wanted to talk on the
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  episode, which is so cool. One of the things that you
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  mentioned was the value of third spaces, and I'd love to hear
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  your thoughts there. As so again, the last thing, the
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  other piece of this is actually playing the damn game, which I
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  get to do. I want to be very upfront about
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  that. I intended to try to play my
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  first game yesterday again, and playing the first game of
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  anything in the Warhammer sphere, whether it be Fantasy
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  40K, is a little bit daunting because there is that initial
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  financial barrier to entry. However, if you go and you just
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  want to play the game and you're friendly, you will meet somebody
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  at a local game store who will lend you minis.
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  You can play this game with fucking quarters if you want to.
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  Like you don't really technically need, you know, to
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  buy the fun plastic stuff. I like it for immersion, you
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  know, I like it for, for, for the storytelling.
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  And I think when I do finally get to play a more substantial
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  game, I will be doing it for that, for the storytelling as
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  opposed to the competitive nature of winning or losing.
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  Because as we'll get to later, I play an army that is going to
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  lose a lot. I think, I think the, if you
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  love the story and you love, you're in it for the
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  storytelling part of, of of things.
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  And this could apply to a lot of different games or art styles or
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  whatever. But losing is, a lot of the time
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  like more exciting and more fun from a storytelling perspective
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  than winning ever could be. The smaller the margin between
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  winning, losing is, the more fun.
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  Losing is fair, yeah, but also maybe a little bit more
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  infuriating. There's probably, there's
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  probably some, there's probably some chart that like charts that
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  like, I feel like also like same for like a large margin.
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  Like what's the difference between like tragedy and comedy
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  depending on how bad you lose something?
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  I think that's great. I'd love to see that that that
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  chart fleshed out. Maybe that's something I don't.
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  Think that, I don't think you can measure that because
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  everybody's threshold for that is very different, right?
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  But I do think the relative, I think you're right, the relative
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  pain point of of losing, it definitely rises the closer you
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  get to winning. OK, but to go back to 3rd
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  spaces, I've lived in the city of Philadelphia since 2017, more
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  or less been, you know, hearing back and I've watched,
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  especially post COVID, it become a lot harder to find third
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  spaces. The city of Philadelphia, as
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  awesome as it is, as a walkable as it is, it gets difficult to
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  find places where you can meet new people without spending a
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  whole lot of money, or find people with common interests or
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  just like, go somewhere where you're not going to be asked to
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  spend a lot of money or get kicked out.
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  Enter local game stores. This is a place where people who
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  don't know each other go and become friends because of their
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  shared love of this one thing. And I finally got to meet some
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  people at my local game store yesterday and they were all so
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  nice. And it is a community that I
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  would not have had. I mean that I, I mean, I'm, I'm
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  grateful to get the opportunity to have, you know, in the
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  future. Yeah.
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  And it's, and it's really special cause like, again,
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  everyone's there for the same thing.
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  It's kind of a, a reprieve from, you know, anything else happened
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  in your life. And it's a place that's not work
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  and it's not home and getting out and doing stuff becomes very
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  difficult, especially when, you know, I, I am of the ill queer.
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  I have to give myself like, I always kind of wanted permission
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  from some more authoritative entity than myself to leave my
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  own home. And that was a tough thing to
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  do. And, you know, to have a third
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  space like that. I mean, the the group that plays
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  one of the one of the 40K games, they meet every Wednesday in the
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  afternoon. So to have like a social
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  obligate, an obligation that you can, you know, miss if you need
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  to, but that like will help you get out is really it's really
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  encouraging and really and really awesome.
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  I moved to. North Carolina three years ago
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  from from Florida and didn't know anybody.
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  Literally just wanted to get out of Florida, picked a place on a
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  map that was close that like my wife and kids felt like we, we
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  could build a life in. And so we ended up in the
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  Raleigh area and I didn't didn't know anybody.
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  It was right at that time that Lor Khanna was coming out.
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  I don't know if you're familiar with Lor Khanna at all.
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  It's like a collectible card game, Disney themed.
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  I'm somewhat familiar. I deck building games is not
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  something that I know a whole lot about, but if it functioned
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  like I've seen people play Magic the Gathering and Passing, yeah,
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  if it's anything like that, it is it's.
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  It's very similar, a little bit easier, a little less involved,
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  a little less. I mean, there's some strategies
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  to anyways, we don't have to get into that.
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  But the the point I was trying to make is I started buying
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  these Lorcona cards. Because I thought it would.
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  Be fun and the I started going every Monday night to Lorcona
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  League where I would go and we would play it with just a bunch
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  of random people and you got points based on whether you
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  showed up. And unlike like other games,
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  Lorcano is very much about the community.
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  So it was like show up, wear your Disney T-shirt.
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  You get a point. If you can do a cool thing where
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  you have like people from the same movie on the board at the
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  same time or whatever, you get points for that.
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  But ultimately, like I, I would just go and, and there were like
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  40 other adults that shared the interest of collecting and
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  playing this game. And it was, I don't, it's, it,
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  it's very hard as an adult to make new friends, but I, I do, I
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  love the, the, the way that you present that about local game
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  stores because I think you're right.
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  Like that is probably one of the easiest ways to meet new people
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  without having to spend a lot of money or.
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  Drink. Or drink.
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  Yeah, it's very, it's OK. It's, it's a very nice feeling
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  to have that especially because like, you know, I, I think that
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  the nature of how the world operates and conducts itself now
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  is very much like a, you don't meander, you go from point A to
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  B for whatever you need. Like you don't leave unless you
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  have to. You don't go somewhere unless
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  you have to. That's why I, for, again, for
• 24:39
  many other reasons. That's why I hate Waymos.
• 24:43
  That's why I, I particularly dislike delivery robots.
• 24:48
  I used to bike for Uber. So I, I have a, you know, I have
• 24:54
  a lot of respect for the people who, who are in the Courier
• 24:56
  industry and in the Uber driver industry.
• 24:58
  That's a tough job to do, right? But like, Oh my God, we're also
• 25:04
  like, I think like ghost kitchens working in a ghost
• 25:07
  kitchen. That would suck.
• 25:09
  Where it's just making sure I understand.
• 25:12
  It's just like you can order there from DoorDash, but there's
• 25:17
  nothing else a. Ghost Kitchen is like, is like,
• 25:19
  you don't, you don't get to see the person who is going to eat
• 25:23
  the food you make them. Right.
• 25:25
  Yeah, that sounds miserable. Yeah.
• 25:29
  But yeah, I struggle to think of a lot of other, you know, public
• 25:32
  spaces that encourage, you know, also the other thing too is
• 25:35
  like, you go to a show, you go to a concert.
• 25:37
  I, I, I still will go to house show sometimes.
• 25:41
  I still go to concerts at like small clubs in Philly.
• 25:44
  I'm trying to be better about that now that I have been just
• 25:46
  because, again, I need to give myself permission to go out
• 25:48
  more. But I am also somebody who has a
• 25:54
  hard time focusing or feeling like I, I'm not too anxious to
• 26:00
  talk when there's that much going on around you, that much
• 26:03
  loud music. So to have a third space like a
• 26:06
  gaming store that's relatively quiet and you can hold a
• 26:08
  conversation with somebody and not feel the anxiety of a bunch
• 26:12
  of other people having a conversation around you, right?
• 26:15
  A very nice feature. Yeah, I where the point is
• 26:20
  talking not necessarily like watching the the bands perform
• 26:25
  or enjoying music or or anything else really.
• 26:29
  Exactly. And I'm, you know, I've been to
• 26:32
  a couple house shows that feel more like networking events than
• 26:35
  they do like a social get together.
• 26:37
  And that's that's not, that's not something I'm particularly
• 26:41
  fond of. I, I used when I was a younger
• 26:44
  person, I used to joke that we should have a day for that and
• 26:47
  call it like the Catalina wine mixer or something where it's
• 26:50
  just like you do an open house and that's where you go to meet
• 26:54
  other people who are doing music in your scene and let the shows
• 26:56
  just be shows and not like times to politic to get your bands to
• 27:01
  play at that house or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:05
  That's the, I mean, even even the the, the podcast business of
• 27:11
  it all, which business is a a strong word.
• 27:17
  This my least favorite part is the like, oh, I've got to
• 27:21
  promote and post things on social media.
• 27:24
  Like obviously I'm creating content that I want people to
• 27:27
  consume because I think that it's good content and I think
• 27:31
  that it's entertaining. And I think that it's also like
• 27:35
  like I I learned something new personally every time I talk to
• 27:38
  somebody so far on on this this show, but I hate the here's my
• 27:44
  numbers. Please come on, I'm begging you.
• 27:49
  It I'd I'd much rather like I'd much rather just do it and and
• 27:56
  and be able to have the conversations without all the
• 27:58
  extra. Fluff for the love of the game.
• 28:01
  For the love of the game, That's right.
• 28:03
  I'm not making any money and I don't really care if I ever do
• 28:06
  at this point like that. Like, you know, I'm just, I'm
• 28:09
  here because I really enjoy talking to people and I'm and
• 28:13
  it's anyways, I don't need to get, I don't need to dive into
• 28:15
  that. I mean, this is, it's free.
• 28:20
  It's free form. We can do whatever we want.
• 28:23
  That's right. I I feel like I talk about this
• 28:25
  all the time. I just, I love talking to
• 28:27
  creative people. Musicians are like, I love going
• 28:31
  to shows. I've I've been to a disgusting
• 28:34
  amount of I like I've grown up and I have big kid money now, so
• 28:37
  I like can actually afford to go see all the bands that I love.
• 28:41
  And so I go shows all the time and getting to talk to people
• 28:44
  who make music that like brings out all this emotion about
• 28:50
  things that they are emotional about in a very like passionate,
• 28:54
  happy, excited way is so cool. ANYWAYS, let's.
• 28:58
  Get back to not not about that. Let's talk about plastic men
• 29:02
  fighting in space, yes? So I you talked to you, we
• 29:09
  talked about third spaces, we talked about how you got into
• 29:12
  40K and we've hit almost all of your stuff.
• 29:14
  But like so, you haven't. Played yet haven't played yet
• 29:18
  Most of what I've been doing has been hobbying on my own time and
• 29:22
  I have I have a couple I have some some minis that I will
• 29:25
  share that I will show I'll start with a larger one.
• 29:29
  So the the faction that I intend to play is orcs.
• 29:34
  We'll get into more stuff there, but this is one of the like my
• 29:38
  largest complete and painted model.
• 29:41
  This is a like a commander unit. It's called the Orc knob Orcs.
• 29:45
  I'll get into the lore stuff later, but like as a like kind
• 29:48
  of a, a brief cursory thing. They have a very collective
• 29:56
  psychic might, but they are portrayed in the lore as being
• 29:59
  like all having cockney accents and being like pretty like oh
• 30:06
  fish, but they're also terrifying in every faction.
• 30:10
  This game is very violent because it's a war game.
• 30:13
  But this is the knob, which I think is short for nobility and
• 30:15
  they like command smaller units of troops, which the standard
• 30:19
  infantry troop in orcs are called boys, but just boys, just
• 30:25
  boys with AZ. This is this is an orc boy, and
• 30:29
  their weapons are named funny things like they have.
• 30:32
  Axes and guns. Yeah.
• 30:34
  Oh well, 'cause that's the other thing about this game, we'll get
• 30:36
  into it. Lore stuff is there's shooting
• 30:40
  phases and melee phases, and a lot of a lot of the time that
• 30:45
  you spend actually getting units off of the board is in close
• 30:48
  combat, melee phases of the game.
• 30:50
  This is another boy with A2 handed rifle.
• 30:53
  This weapon is called a shooter. Any any bladed weapon that an
• 31:02
  orc uses is called a choppa. The the pistols are called
• 31:07
  sluggers. There it's a larger a larger
• 31:12
  shooter, a longer shooter is called a big shooter.
• 31:14
  As you can tell like it's like like it.
• 31:17
  It doesn't take itself too seriously, at least with orcs,
• 31:19
  which is particularly why I like their stuff.
• 31:22
  And if you look hard enough, you can find comedy and parody in
• 31:27
  any part of the lore of a faction, right?
• 31:30
  The kind of smaller, lighter infantry units.
• 31:32
  This little guy, this is called a grot in their in squads, they
• 31:36
  are Gretchen. They're kind of like the goblin
• 31:38
  equivalent in the in the lore, they're fun in the game, they're
• 31:44
  very cheap points wise as like a general overview of the game,
• 31:50
  you get a set amount of points worth of models that you can
• 31:54
  field to keep the army balance at any one time.
• 31:57
  A squad of Gretchen is the cheapest unit I think in the
• 32:01
  entire game. And the idea is that you put
• 32:03
  them like far back on your side of the board and they just hold
• 32:07
  an objective and you farm points.
• 32:10
  As I understand it, when you play the actual game, it's not
• 32:14
  like one win condition. You get victory points for
• 32:17
  completing specific tasks like holding an objective or taking
• 32:21
  out a considerable percentage of your opponent's models on the
• 32:24
  field. And a lot of that is with dice
• 32:26
  rolls. And why I say my army is bad is
• 32:28
  because orcs big rule because they are like I want to say the
• 32:34
  least. They're represented as being the
• 32:35
  least conventionally intelligent alien species in the game.
• 32:40
  Is when use the standard 6 and a die to roll for anything they
• 32:44
  hit on fives which means that a standard boy.
• 32:50
  So it's if you roll A5 or A6, then you can hit your target.
• 33:00
  For example, like a standard unit hits on fours, which means
• 33:03
  you have a 50% chance of hitting your target.
• 33:08
  A very elite army hits on threes.
• 33:10
  There's one army that hits on twos and rerolls ones.
• 33:13
  They're very good, works on fives.
• 33:15
  But if you get a six, you get to make another role.
• 33:17
  That's their kind of fun thing. And that rule, I believe used to
• 33:21
  be called daka Daka Daka Daka is DACA is an like the orc term for
• 33:31
  like it's literally the automata PO, the sound that the gun makes
• 33:34
  when you're firing it, because that's and, and a lot of what
• 33:37
  they enjoy their their other whole thing is they enjoy
• 33:41
  fighting. That's their whole thing.
• 33:42
  They're fighting in the Galaxy for the love of the game and no
• 33:46
  other reason. They just like.
• 33:48
  Fighting out to conquer. They're not being attacked.
• 33:51
  They just fighting each other. When they fight they get
• 33:54
  stronger or they die and they are funky.
• 33:56
  Yes. So if when they when they die or
• 34:00
  if you like decapitate them like spores go into the air and then
• 34:03
  they grow more orcs. There that is, that's
• 34:07
  interesting. That's an that's a very
• 34:09
  interesting like non conventional lower point that I
• 34:15
  think is is pretty cool. I also want to show you some
• 34:18
  unfinished models. Here is an unfinished unprimed
• 34:22
  Orcboy that I'm that I've also been working on.
• 34:24
  This is kid bashed. So this arm is actually came
• 34:29
  from a a space marine kit that I had lying around this torso and
• 34:36
  like this this arm and this arm and this head and probably the
• 34:41
  legs are all from different kits.
• 34:44
  These legs were not on the sprue as being a peg leg, but the leg
• 34:48
  fell off and it seemed like a good opportunity to give at
• 34:51
  least one fork in my army a peg leg.
• 34:55
  Like that's why that's why kid bashing is my favorite thing is
• 34:57
  because you get to just give the models you have a lot more
• 35:01
  personality and make it feel less like it's this very
• 35:04
  homogeneous thing. And orcs in particular, because
• 35:06
  they're so, you know, ramshackling, disorganized and
• 35:09
  non uniform in the lore of the setting allows me to do that.
• 35:16
  Yeah, I will also show you Here's another model that I that
• 35:20
  I posed in kind of a who want me.
• 35:23
  Are you not entertained? Get some sort of thing.
• 35:25
  This this model is primed. So I oh shit, I via like I took
• 35:35
  like a spray can of like matte black spray paint did that to
• 35:38
  get all the undersides so that, you know, you had shadowing and
• 35:42
  you know, all the recesses would just like kind of feel more like
• 35:46
  line work. And then I went over it and just
• 35:47
  to the top and front with like grey and then I will paint over
• 35:51
  this to eventually get it to look like the other models I
• 35:53
  showed. I know Adm friend of mine, a
• 35:59
  Dungeon Master friend of mine who used to print out all of our
• 36:04
  D&D figures. He would use.
• 36:06
  Stuff like like textured like grass on the on the base of the
• 36:11
  token and and that sort of stuff.
• 36:12
  Is that common practice as well, or is it?
• 36:15
  Not only is it common practice, but as of late Games Workshop
• 36:19
  and This is why I hate them. If you want to play like a Games
• 36:23
  Workshop sanctioned competitive tournament, there are rules that
• 36:27
  you're basing must have texture on.
• 36:30
  Wow, they want you to buy their stuff, they want you to buy
• 36:36
  their textures naturally, but it doesn't have to be.
• 36:41
  But they want you to really bad. Then again, for for tournaments,
• 36:44
  which I don't think I will ever play 'cause I haven't even
• 36:46
  played a casual game. If I'm playing tournaments, then
• 36:50
  something is there's all these fucking rules that don't let you
• 36:57
  do fun things like proxy. Yeah, like one of the models
• 37:00
  that I am the most proud of having kit bashed.
• 37:03
  This is also part of the allure thing.
• 37:06
  There's a orcs used to have a a unit called a Luda.
• 37:11
  And in older editions of the game, that whole thing was like,
• 37:14
  you can take a weapon from another army and you can give it
• 37:18
  to your orc and have that weapon profile.
• 37:20
  OK, To even feel the model you had to kit bash.
• 37:25
  So like they, I think, I think Games Workshop encouraged
• 37:27
  creativity a lot more early on. And now they're kind of just
• 37:30
  want it more streamlined because I think they care more about the
• 37:34
  the tournament and competitive play that they sanction.
• 37:37
  And they do, you know, the storytelling and then hobbying,
• 37:41
  which is I think the more pure part of 40K.
• 37:46
  But this is this is the my kit bash Luda.
• 37:50
  I took these two larger long cannons from a another like
• 37:56
  plastic bike model and then this large gas tank that I need to
• 38:02
  explain as to what it's doing being attached to these two
• 38:05
  large guns and these straps. And I'm, I'm very proud with how
• 38:09
  this came out, mostly because a model like this, to my
• 38:14
  knowledge, doesn't exist anywhere else except in it's.
• 38:17
  Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. It I feel like you can expand
• 38:22
  the story for that in particular.
• 38:24
  And I and and also, if you had not told me that that was Kid
• 38:28
  Bash, I would have never known that's.
• 38:31
  Also part of that's also part of the challenge, which I like you
• 38:34
  can do a lot of people will kid bash just to just to be able to
• 38:39
  have more units representing a certain thing on on the on the
• 38:44
  game board. I like to, I like to make it
• 38:48
  look like it's super intentional.
• 38:50
  It's supposed to be there. Yeah, I I do a great job of it.
• 38:54
  I, I, you could, you could have told me that those were just
• 38:57
  things that came out of blister packs then, which totally
• 38:59
  believed you. Should we explain blister packs
• 39:04
  and sprues? Yeah, sure.
• 39:07
  OK. I have no idea what a sprue is.
• 39:09
  I'm I'm It's similar to what a blister pack is, so OK.
• 39:13
  A sprue is when you don't get your model assembled, which I
• 39:17
  think we've explained earlier. A sprue is a large square piece
• 39:22
  of plastic that has all of the parts of your model sort of
• 39:29
  attached to that frame so that they stay, you know, undamaged
• 39:36
  for the most part. And you will go in with like tin
• 39:38
  snips and you will cut them out of the of the spring mold.
• 39:42
  And that's how they can mass produce these kits.
• 39:44
  And that's why I like, you know, a lot of kits are designed to
• 39:49
  have it. So you are.
• 39:53
  How do I explain this? You know, you're locked to a
• 39:56
  certain number of models per kit.
• 39:58
  But a lot of times, especially with old and older models, when
• 40:00
  Games Workshop wanted you to be more creative, they will add
• 40:03
  extra weapons like a pack of the standard boys.
• 40:07
  You know this particular kit which they made from like the
• 40:11
  late 90s through to just very recently when they when the orcs
• 40:16
  kind of got a big range refresh. It was, you know, you get 8 or 9
• 40:22
  boys per per thing and it would come with options to kick them
• 40:26
  out with like the the melee weapon and the pistol or you
• 40:29
  could do the two handed shooter and sometimes they would let you
• 40:34
  kick them out with even more stuff like the like they had to
• 40:36
  have a big a big shooter in the box.
• 40:38
  They'd have a rocket launcher. They'd have like other fun stuff
• 40:40
  in there too. I'm talking about orcs a lot.
• 40:44
  They are not the faction that gets the most lore stuff, but
• 40:50
  they've been getting a lot more recently I think just because
• 40:53
  they kind of serve as the most blatant Comic Relief in the
• 40:57
  setting. OK, but again, the characters
• 41:03
  themselves within the setting are very self serious and that's
• 41:06
  kind of funny. That's the that's the yeah,
• 41:10
  trying to think if there's anything else hobbying.
• 41:12
  Do you have any other like hobbying questions before we
• 41:13
  like really fucking dive into war?
• 41:16
  I'm excited for the war. OK, there's so.
• 41:19
  Much. I so I have played maybe 1
• 41:23
  Warhammer 4000 video game, didn't understand the lore at
• 41:28
  all. It was, it was very fun that I
• 41:30
  was killing a lot of rat people, maybe.
• 41:32
  I don't know. OK, that was that was probably
• 41:34
  Warhammer Fantasy then. Oh, was it?
• 41:36
  Would you remember the? Maybe?
• 41:37
  Yeah. Probably.
• 41:38
  I don't, I don't know, I don't remember what it was.
• 41:40
  Vile something. I'll look it up later.
• 41:43
  Vermontide. Vermontide.
• 41:45
  There you go. Yeah, that's fantasy.
• 41:47
  So that's a different lore, different world from.
• 41:51
  OK, yes, how? OK, there's kind of two ways you
• 41:56
  can start with lore. You I can go through each
• 42:00
  faction or I, there's a lot of factions or I, I like, I can
• 42:04
  start from the very, very beginning.
• 42:07
  Or I can start from where humans come into play.
• 42:11
  Cause the because the the faction the people who play the
• 42:16
  human based armies there is a stigma and it's probably a meme
• 42:21
  at this point that they're very self important and don't care
• 42:24
  about any of the other factions. So a lot of the lore honestly
• 42:28
  starts there. But stuff happened before that
• 42:30
  so I guess I'll start with the humans.
• 42:33
  So the game the the namesake of the game is Warhammer 40,040
• 42:37
  thousand, meaning that it happens 40,000 years ano domini
• 42:42
  in in our current era. The idea is that life pretty
• 42:48
  much sucks for everyone. Humans have taken to the entire
• 42:52
  Galaxy and are trying to rule it and rid it of anything that is
• 42:57
  not human or is not loyal to humanity.
• 43:04
  This has yielded human society to be incredibly authoritarian
• 43:10
  and fascist and very unfair and very oppressive.
• 43:12
  Conditions for the average person are horrible.
• 43:15
  Conditions for soldiers are horrible.
• 43:17
  There's a joke that the standard shock troop, and that's like in
• 43:22
  the like the most populous human allied unit don't make it more
• 43:28
  than 15 hours as a Guardsman because they get killed that
• 43:34
  quickly. Life in the 41st Millennium
• 43:39
  absolutely sucks for everybody who's in it, but I think it's
• 43:45
  important to know how we got there because there's a whole
• 43:47
  lot of other stuff that happens to get you there.
• 43:51
  So essentially between what is our present day and like 20,000
• 43:58
  years after our present day, all of the planet, our planet
• 44:05
  becomes in a war with itself. And then one like kind of one
• 44:13
  magical person kind of reveals himself after being hidden for
• 44:20
  years and unites all of Earth under 1 banner.
• 44:23
  And that person is the emperor of mankind.
• 44:25
  He's kind of the most important dude in the in the human
• 44:28
  setting, even though he's not a playable character and he
• 44:32
  doesn't do anything. And we will get there.
• 44:34
  So. He and this is this is like
• 44:38
  20,000 years before. This is 40,000 years before 40
• 44:42
  KK. So this is like the midpoint.
• 44:44
  I think it's about that time. And then once he unites all of
• 44:48
  Earth, he decides he wants to take to the stars and humanity
• 44:56
  begins conquering like the entire Galaxy.
• 45:01
  And they run into a problem, which is he's only one guy.
• 45:05
  He's a very powerful guy. He's like taller.
• 45:07
  He's probably, he's probably like at least 14 feet tall.
• 45:11
  I'm not entirely sure, but like kind of crazy that he hid for so
• 45:15
  long. Like a 14 foot tall person would
• 45:17
  probably be really hard to miss. I'm not entirely sure lore
• 45:23
  people get get in the comments. Get in the comments, he might.
• 45:27
  Be he might be a perpetual, which is like the the Warhammer
• 45:32
  40,000 term for you come back every time like you can't
• 45:36
  actually really die and it's kind of a cheat.
• 45:38
  There's a character named John Gramaticus who's so deep in lore
• 45:42
  that a lot of people in the 40K community don't like because
• 45:46
  he's annoying in the lore, but that's so unimportant.
• 45:51
  Basically Emperor of Mankind does two things.
• 45:54
  He goes we need faster than light travel and I need more
• 45:57
  people like me to help conquer the Galaxy.
• 46:00
  So he basically splits himself up and by splitting himself up,
• 46:05
  I mean like put a part of him while maintaining his original
• 46:08
  self intact into. It's widely disputed.
• 46:13
  The correct answer is 21 individual sons.
• 46:19
  He's still the same guy. He's fine.
• 46:21
  But he has 21 sons. And they are what come to be
• 46:25
  known as the Primarks. OK, Primarks are the most
• 46:31
  probably the most important characters who are active in the
• 46:33
  setting as far as humanity goes. There are 21 of them.
• 46:41
  That's kind of a, that's like a somewhat minor spoiler lore
• 46:47
  wise, because originally there were only 20, but according to,
• 46:52
  you know, the most of most of the high-ranking government,
• 46:57
  there are only 18. And according to, and, and the
• 47:01
  propaganda that the, you know, that the, we'll get there.
• 47:06
  That's, I'm going to say a lot because there's so much shit
• 47:08
  happening. One of the things I admire most
• 47:11
  about the lore, this is also like another thing is that it is
• 47:14
  a collaborative effort among many authors to make something
• 47:17
  come to life where everyone kind of probably has to check in with
• 47:20
  each other and you get to write stories within the thing.
• 47:23
  But you can't have just one person making up all this.
• 47:27
  You have multiple writers coming in and saying, OK, we're going
• 47:30
  to have it do that. And you have the challenge of
• 47:33
  again keeping it a stalemate because if any one side wins
• 47:37
  then you kind of can't do anything story wise for the lore
• 47:39
  and it makes the game less exciting.
• 47:43
  So Emperor has 20 Suns and he's working on faster than light
• 47:47
  travel. And in looking for faster than
• 47:49
  light travel he discovered something called the warp.
• 47:52
  The warp is like sort of 1/5 dimension hopping away to
• 47:56
  shortcut to get ships across the Galaxy faster.
• 48:00
  But the warp is where I will call them space demons.
• 48:10
  There's that is what there's a faction called Chaos.
• 48:14
  Chaos is a very formidable foe, probably the most formidable one
• 48:24
  to humanity aside from all the aliens they couldn't genocide.
• 48:31
  Chaos used to and for the most part exists only within the
• 48:36
  warp. And you know, if it's, it's like
• 48:39
  a, I've heard it described as like being like a sea.
• 48:42
  And there are warp storms. And if you have psychic
• 48:45
  tendencies, which psychic is the magic system in this game.
• 48:49
  If you have psychic tendencies, that means that you get to tap
• 48:52
  into the warp, that you get to have some sort of power granted
• 48:56
  upon you by your connection to the warp.
• 48:58
  Most people can't handle it. Some people harness it to great
• 49:02
  use. And it doesn't matter what your
• 49:06
  race or or faction is, you there are psych psychic users.
• 49:13
  Sometimes, OK, there are some factions that aren't warp
• 49:16
  sensitive. There are some factions that
• 49:18
  refuse to use it. Most of them are like aliens.
• 49:21
  But as far as humanity goes, it kind of depends on how well you
• 49:25
  wield it or how well you hide it.
• 49:27
  Because in the current age, if you are psychic, they will just
• 49:32
  kill you. Because because there's there's
• 49:36
  an element of religious fanaticism as well, which we
• 49:39
  will get to again. OK.
• 49:43
  But basically, there are four major chaos gods in this warp
• 49:50
  domain. They I'll get to them later.
• 49:57
  I might have to say that a lot. This might go for a lot longer
• 49:59
  than you want it to go. I'm sorry, Phil.
• 50:02
  Hey. Bring it on.
• 50:05
  I'm I'm trying so hard to make this as concise as possible and
• 50:08
  it is so difficult. And share what you I mean, share
• 50:13
  as much as you want. I'm I'm finding to keep going
• 50:15
  and then go as deep as you want to.
• 50:17
  But also there's I think based off of what you said, 40 plus
• 50:22
  years of lore to cover here. So don't feel like you have to
• 50:25
  give us. A lot of it happened within the
• 50:27
  last 15. OK, so Emperor has 21 sons while
• 50:34
  concurrently working on travelling, having ships go
• 50:37
  through the warp. Chaos gods don't really want him
• 50:41
  to conquer the Galaxy or think he's getting a little too
• 50:43
  cheeky. So what they do is they take all
• 50:47
  of his sons and they catapult them to different parts of the
• 50:51
  Galaxy and he has to go find them.
• 50:54
  OK, eventually he does find 20 of the 21 sons.
• 51:00
  I think he meets all 21, but and then they eventually help him,
• 51:06
  you know, conquer more and more of the world.
• 51:13
  I'm I missed so much after backtrack for a second.
• 51:16
  That's all in the current era in in 40,000, the 41st Millennium,
• 51:22
  which we're in right now. You can't use any sort of
• 51:25
  computer technology on purpose. Something happened called the
• 51:30
  Dark Age of Technology in probably around the 20 thousands
• 51:33
  where AI basically took over and fucked shit up for everyone and
• 51:40
  it made the use of it any sort of computer heretical.
• 51:43
  And their workaround was to lobotomize people and use them
• 51:49
  to perform tasks that computers would have.
• 51:54
  So are you like, yeah, dark. That's what I'm that's what I'm
• 51:56
  saying. It's it's dark to the point of
• 51:58
  parody, almost like you can. And those lobotomized folks are
• 52:03
  called servitors. So you could be a door servitor,
• 52:06
  for example. You get lobotomized and your
• 52:08
  whole your whole brain is rewired to just like open an
• 52:11
  automatic door for people. My God.
• 52:14
  That's the rest of your life. Yeah, that also explains why
• 52:18
  humans can't and won't use technology to make their lives
• 52:22
  easier and better. So that's my tangent.
• 52:28
  Moving on. They're pretty successful in
• 52:31
  conquering the Galaxy. Chaos is still a thing.
• 52:35
  The Emperor's most successful son is named Horace Looper Call.
• 52:40
  Horace Looper Call turns to Chaos, gets in cahoots with
• 52:45
  Chaos because the Emperor is a great conqueror but an awful
• 52:51
  father and doesn't tell any of his kids what's going on.
• 52:55
  And eventually what happens is nine of his kids turn on him and
• 52:59
  ally with to some extent Chaos the Chaos demon like the four
• 53:04
  big chaos gods. And that is how you get the
• 53:09
  chaos factions in the game. These 21 primarks have something
• 53:16
  called Gene seed, which is also used to take normal people and
• 53:20
  create super soldiers out of and those are the poster children of
• 53:24
  the setting. They are called space marines.
• 53:26
  They are very yes you yeah, Space Marines are like the the
• 53:32
  large 8 foot tall, like super soldiers that wear power armor
• 53:37
  that's like the size of like a pickup truck and they can run at
• 53:42
  60 miles an hour or something stupid like that and have three
• 53:46
  hearts. No, like 2 hearts and three
• 53:48
  lungs against spit, acid and a bunch of other bullshit.
• 53:51
  I think the the two factions that I have heard of are Space
• 53:55
  Marines and Orcs and and I think Chaos is in there too.
• 53:59
  I don't know if there's more factions, I'm sure there.
• 54:00
  Are the three big trees are the Imperium of Man Chaos and then
• 54:06
  everybody else, everybody, everybody else is just, you
• 54:09
  know, that's it's anything alien and they're all kind of doing
• 54:12
  their own thing. They all have their own.
• 54:14
  I'll try to. I'll do a quick blurb of them
• 54:15
  once I'm finished with the Imperium of Man 'cause there's
• 54:17
  so much stuff to. Cover with them.
• 54:20
  Space Marines from a marketing perspective are what gets most
• 54:24
  people into Warhammer 40K 'cause it's cool to have an 8 foot tall
• 54:27
  guy firing a bullet the size of a thin can of soda at like a
• 54:36
  chaos thing or an alien thing. Anyway, that's more or less the
• 54:40
  primary conflict. That whole orbit is called the
• 54:44
  Horus Heresy and that was created by Games Workshop to
• 54:49
  justify allowing 2 people who play Space Marines to fight
• 54:53
  against each other on the game. Like they needed a way to say
• 54:57
  like hey these aren't all you know.
• 54:58
  Like I know it's all Imperium of Man and they're all allied, but
• 55:01
  like what if they weren't and that's how you do?
• 55:03
  What if they weren't? So, oh, I said nine Yes, before
• 55:10
  the Horus Heresy happens, two of the other Primarks and all of
• 55:15
  their Space Marines are wiped out of existence and wipe for
• 55:17
  record, and no one really knows how it happened.
• 55:20
  And that's a mystery that will never be revealed.
• 55:25
  OK, I'm sure there's lots of fun, like fan theories and
• 55:30
  stuff. I love that, that sort of thing.
• 55:32
  Space Marines are probably the coolest like human faction to
• 55:38
  play in the game, but there's also the Imperial Guard which
• 55:42
  are just picture like Starship Troopers.
• 55:45
  Imperial Guard is just a parody of Starship Troopers.
• 55:50
  They have a lot of different and and like a lot of them look like
• 55:53
  modern army people from from 2026.
• 55:56
  They just have you know, the standard like Flack armor,
• 55:59
  helmets. They have laz guns is their main
• 56:03
  weapon. It is a two hand rifle that you
• 56:07
  can charge and get more ammunition from, just like
• 56:11
  putting it in the sun for a little bit and it never jams and
• 56:14
  it is a very weak weapon in the game and in the war.
• 56:20
  When I think of Space Marines, sorry to go back to Space
• 56:22
  Marines. No, I'm going to.
• 56:23
  I'm going to lead for a little bit because I'm going to go on
• 56:25
  so many tangents unless you reel me in.
• 56:28
  When I think Space Marines, I think like what I'm picturing in
• 56:31
  my head is StarCraft like the StarCraft wearing the helmet?
• 56:37
  Super huge. It is exactly StarCraft.
• 56:40
  Fun fact about StarCraft. Originally, StarCraft was
• 56:45
  supposed to be a Warhammer 40,000 game.
• 56:47
  I I can see that, but Games Workshop.
• 56:51
  Games Workshop didn't give them the licensing to use their
• 56:53
  stuff. Got it.
• 56:55
  And then when StarCraft got successful, they never made that
• 56:58
  mistake again. Yes, picture.
• 57:06
  Like, yeah, If you're wondering what space rings look like,
• 57:08
  picture StarCraft. The general law tidbit about
• 57:12
  them is that because they are so powerful, they have lost a lot
• 57:16
  of their humanity and are very cold and very, you know,
• 57:20
  unsympathetic to regular people. If Space Marines show up while
• 57:24
  you're fighting, or just show up on your world that you're living
• 57:27
  on, you are probably in deep shit and they are not
• 57:31
  particularly motivated to save you.
• 57:36
  They're there, for one thing, they're there.
• 57:38
  They're there. To kill without.
• 57:39
  Living Humanity. There are, they're there to kill
• 57:41
  whoever the bad guy is because they're only interest is to
• 57:43
  conquering. Got it.
• 57:48
  Also important to note, the end of the Horus Heresy left the
• 57:52
  Emperor of Mankind basically on life support.
• 57:58
  He is presently in 40 in the 41st Millennium.
• 58:01
  Like rotting away on a throne for a multitude of different
• 58:05
  reasons. Like a lot of the most famous
• 58:07
  artwork of him is like half of his face is just bone, just a
• 58:11
  skull. He is the most powerful being
• 58:15
  that is allied with mankind and he can't do a damn thing, which
• 58:23
  kind of helps with the whole stalemate thing a little bit
• 58:25
  because he's very, he's a very powerful psycher and they just
• 58:28
  took him out of the game. But he doesn't really speak to
• 58:33
  anybody in the lore. He can't.
• 58:36
  So even though his main purpose is to, you know, conquer the
• 58:40
  world, he was very anti religion.
• 58:44
  But because he couldn't speak for himself, a lot of people
• 58:47
  just decided to make a religion out of him.
• 58:49
  So that's where a lot of the Super religious extremism comes
• 58:52
  into play with the authoritarian government.
• 58:54
  A lot of folks used the Emperor of Mankind and kind of they his
• 58:59
  name is the God Emperor of Mankind now and.
• 59:07
  We can deep dive into chess just.
• 59:09
  For a long time there are there are there are a lot of bad
• 59:12
  actors in the Imperium of Man, and that's definitely the point.
• 59:17
  So I'll do a couple other the Adeptus Mechanicus or another
• 59:20
  faction in the Imperium of Man. Their whole thing is like the
• 59:24
  flesh is weak. Most of them live on Mars.
• 59:27
  They are slowly removing the human and flesh parts of their
• 59:32
  body and replacing them with cybernetic implants to the as
• 59:35
  much as they can. And since new technology is
• 59:39
  verboten is verboten. Their whole thing is just
• 59:43
  rediscovering old technology that doesn't have to use
• 59:45
  computers. So anytime any new thing is
• 59:48
  brought to to like the the Mankind faction in Warner and
• 59:53
  40K, it's just we found a thing from before because you're not
• 1:00:01
  really allowed to invent anything new or change anything
• 1:00:05
  old. However, I think.
• 1:00:07
  That's how you get, that's how you get from the year 2000 to
• 1:00:10
  the year 40,000 without significantly changing.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah, that doesn't stop some folks, but honestly, the more
• 1:00:18
  power you have in the setting, the more bullshit you can get
• 1:00:21
  away with that would, you know, kill a normal person.
• 1:00:24
  It's very much like a the law. What what is it?
• 1:00:29
  The there's an in Group that the law protects but doesn't bind.
• 1:00:33
  There's an ACT group that the law binds but doesn't protect in
• 1:00:37
  with within just the human faction, and they're all one
• 1:00:40
  group. That chaos is a whole other
• 1:00:42
  thing. You can become as an old person,
• 1:00:46
  a chaos cultist, which means that you start worshipping one
• 1:00:48
  of the four chaos gods. They are Corn, Nergal, Zinch and
• 1:00:54
  Sloanesh. And Corn is kind of like your
• 1:00:58
  typical like picture, like, you know, a lot of devil
• 1:01:02
  interpretations. That's where the phrase.
• 1:01:04
  Was spelled. I feel like I mean KHORNE.
• 1:01:09
  That's. Where that's where you've heard
• 1:01:10
  like the blood for the blood gods, skulls for the skull
• 1:01:12
  throne. That's Korn.
• 1:01:15
  His whole faction is just mostly hand to hand melee combat, but
• 1:01:22
  also honor. So his followers just care for
• 1:01:28
  fighting, for slaughter, for murder, for wants and just
• 1:01:31
  violence of people. That's his whole thing.
• 1:01:34
  But he will never stab you in the back, he will never lie to
• 1:01:37
  you. Then on the opposite side of
• 1:01:41
  Cornea, Zinch. Zinch is like the trickster
• 1:01:43
  chaos God, very much about planning, very much about magic,
• 1:01:47
  very much about keeping the world in entropy and on its
• 1:01:51
  toes. Xench's sort of motif, I mean,
• 1:01:56
  no one's ever seen any of the chaos 'cause we don't really
• 1:01:58
  know what they look like. We just kind of have
• 1:02:00
  approximations. A lot of Xench's motifs are bird
• 1:02:05
  like. A lot of his avatars are like
• 1:02:08
  picture like us, almost Serpentine bird with two heads
• 1:02:10
  or something that will come down and fuck shit up.
• 1:02:13
  And a lot of the more psychic leading factions in the game
• 1:02:20
  have a lot to do that are is in cahoots with Zeege because he
• 1:02:25
  will grant them magic powers to do stuff.
• 1:02:29
  Then you have Nergal. Nergal's whole thing is like
• 1:02:33
  plague, disease, sickness. Followers of Nergal are
• 1:02:36
  relatively happy because they're just slowly rotting away and
• 1:02:41
  have every like awful disease, super diseases, but they don't
• 1:02:46
  feel any of it because, you know, death is certain.
• 1:02:49
  But they're just happy to to be there.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah, if your shtick is pestilence, yeah, I mean, that's
• 1:02:56
  pretty easy to come by, right? Nergal allied armies are pretty
• 1:03:04
  tanky and pretty slow, and they've hit pretty hard from as
• 1:03:10
  far as I know. And then there's Slanesh.
• 1:03:14
  Slanesh's whole thing is excess sex, drugs, rock'n'roll,
• 1:03:17
  pleasure, pain. There are the the Space Marine
• 1:03:22
  unit that is the most closely aligned with with Slanesh are
• 1:03:25
  called the Emperor's Children. Which is really funny because
• 1:03:30
  that was their name before the heresy and they just kept it to
• 1:03:32
  be like fuck you dad. But they have a unit called
• 1:03:36
  Noise Marines, which is a unit of Space Marines that use Sonic
• 1:03:40
  weapons that are so powerful that they like disintegrate
• 1:03:44
  people into just nothing. But it's just the pursuit of
• 1:03:50
  more, whatever more means to you.
• 1:03:51
  If that's more, you know, sloth, if that's more, you know, drug
• 1:03:56
  consumption, just like feeling more stuff.
• 1:04:00
  Salinash units tend to be fairly live fairly fast and also very
• 1:04:06
  terrifying, very much into torturing.
• 1:04:07
  Corn is not into torturing because torturing doesn't kill
• 1:04:10
  you. And it's not so much fighting as
• 1:04:12
  it is it's not fair. Like right, all four of the
• 1:04:16
  Chaos gods sometimes cooperate with with each other if they
• 1:04:19
  have to, but often don't. They don't like each other and
• 1:04:23
  they try to get one up on each other all the time.
• 1:04:26
  And that is referred to as the great game.
• 1:04:28
  Like when that's part of why also all these factions are in a
• 1:04:31
  statement because if Chaos decided to just put the
• 1:04:36
  differences aside and come together, they would probably
• 1:04:38
  just destroy everything and rule the entire the entire.
• 1:04:41
  World, they balance each other out, yeah.
• 1:04:43
  And but also, you know, they get power from what normal people
• 1:04:48
  do. If you hope for something to
• 1:04:52
  change, just like you know, by coincidence, you are indirectly
• 1:05:00
  worshipping and giving power to siege.
• 1:05:02
  OK. If you are working on a skill
• 1:05:06
  and you take pride in the work that you've done on that skill
• 1:05:09
  and you want to get better at that skill, you are indirectly
• 1:05:12
  worshipping Slim Ash. There are things that.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah. So like you kind of can't,
• 1:05:19
  couldn't like those chaos gods are kind of always going to be
• 1:05:21
  there. You can't really get rid of
• 1:05:23
  them. That's a very.
• 1:05:26
  Interesting concept and I like that.
• 1:05:31
  I like the I like the possibilities that come with
• 1:05:33
  that that concept from a like storytelling perspective.
• 1:05:37
  That's that's very cool. I mean honestly, I don't know
• 1:05:43
  how much lore really delves deep into that because I haven't read
• 1:05:48
  like a proper lore book. Again, most of my most of my
• 1:05:52
  knowledge comes from podcasts that are meant to be
• 1:05:55
  entertaining. That's fantastic.
• 1:05:59
  I was gonna, I was gonna say, how many of these books have you
• 1:06:01
  read? And the answer is zero.
• 1:06:02
  And that is shocking to me. Like I like for somebody who's
• 1:06:06
  having such a hard time relaying the most information in the
• 1:06:09
  least time, I know very little wild.
• 1:06:16
  And that's just like 2 of the three big kind of branches of
• 1:06:19
  the tree. The last one is Zenos, which are
• 1:06:22
  just all the alien factions and that is where I live.
• 1:06:25
  Those are my favorites. Even when I didn't know anything
• 1:06:28
  about Orcs, I loved like like the first armies I saw were
• 1:06:31
  Necrons and Tyranids, that those are the armies my cousins
• 1:06:34
  painted. So there's kind.
• 1:06:38
  Of Ron sounds super familiar to me and I know a.
• 1:06:41
  Little bit of that. I'm actually going to start with
• 1:06:44
  Eldar though. Eldar are space elves, that's
• 1:06:49
  it. You got your space elves, you
• 1:06:52
  got your space orgs, Yeah. They they have an aesthetic
• 1:06:56
  that's somewhat reminiscent of feudal Japan.
• 1:07:02
  Their whole thing was they were kind of like the prevailing, you
• 1:07:06
  know, faction and and species before humanity and they got to
• 1:07:13
  a point where they were they were created by another race of
• 1:07:17
  aliens called the old ones. That's a whole other thing
• 1:07:19
  That's like predating humanity even.
• 1:07:21
  That's, that's why I was like, you want to start with humans or
• 1:07:24
  do you want to start with aliens?
• 1:07:27
  Fuck, I guess we, I, I should talk about the war in heaven.
• 1:07:29
  OK, so 6060 million years ago, just a little leap to the past.
• 1:07:36
  Yeah. Just a just a just a quick
• 1:07:37
  little jaunt. There's the oh, fuck.
• 1:07:42
  I guess we should start with Necrons then.
• 1:07:44
  The first, the the oldest. OK, the oldest species that you
• 1:07:50
  can play on tabletop that is still present in 40K is the
• 1:07:53
  Necrons. They were an ancient alien race
• 1:07:57
  that used to be known as the Neck Frontier.
• 1:07:59
  They were very technologically advanced and they lived on
• 1:08:04
  average 25 years of age because they had awful space cancer.
• 1:08:09
  They went to another race of aliens called the Old Ones and
• 1:08:13
  asked hey can you help us with our space cancer and the old one
• 1:08:16
  said fuck off. Then they found these other gods
• 1:08:25
  the Katan which are like star gods and they didn't exist in
• 1:08:29
  material space but the neck frontier made statues to them
• 1:08:32
  and they did exist and they made a deal to with a Katan God
• 1:08:39
  called the deceiver. You'll see how this goes to
• 1:08:44
  basically end the suffering of the awful space cancer they
• 1:08:47
  have. The deceive the deceiver when
• 1:08:50
  they made the deal, so it seems like just really a bad choice
• 1:08:54
  probably. Not anyway.
• 1:08:58
  The Deceiver does this thing called biotransference where all
• 1:09:03
  of the Necron people are stripped of their, you know,
• 1:09:08
  like corporeal bodies and their consciousness is put into these
• 1:09:13
  like robot like metal robot husks.
• 1:09:16
  That's how you get the Necrons, which are basically the like
• 1:09:20
  sort of ancient Egypt coded space terminators.
• 1:09:22
  That's how I would describe the Necrons to anyone who's not
• 1:09:25
  really familiar. And there's a lot of fun.
• 1:09:27
  Like they're also kind of a funnier faction now because
• 1:09:30
  they've been around so long and because a lot of it is like
• 1:09:33
  nobility and backstabbing within their faction.
• 1:09:36
  But Necrons get screwed and then they start fighting with the old
• 1:09:41
  ones. The Old ones create 2 races of
• 1:09:43
  alien which are the Eldar and the orcs to deal with the
• 1:09:45
  Necrons. The Necrons eventually since
• 1:09:54
  they can't kill the Catan star. Gods that fucked with them.
• 1:09:59
  They split their bodies up into little pieces and enslaved them
• 1:10:04
  in shards, and now they can wield the power of a God on the
• 1:10:10
  battlefield. So.
• 1:10:11
  They're like a Iron Man suit. Not entirely.
• 1:10:20
  It's it's hard to like, not entirely.
• 1:10:22
  I don't entirely know how to do it, but they, like the Necrons
• 1:10:27
  are are the most technologically advanced faction in the game.
• 1:10:33
  They have a weapon that can supernova stars that they just
• 1:10:38
  don't use because reasons. The reason is it would break the
• 1:10:44
  game and it would break the lore, but they don't use it.
• 1:10:47
  The other thing I should note with them is the Silent King who
• 1:10:51
  is the Necron nobility like noble who made the deal with the
• 1:10:55
  deceiver felt a lot of penance for having everyone
• 1:11:00
  biotransferred and basically anyone who wasn't a noble and
• 1:11:05
  that that was a Necron tear basically lost their soul, lost
• 1:11:08
  their personality and just became an unthinking unfeeling
• 1:11:10
  robot. And so as penance, he for 60
• 1:11:15
  million years went into like a deep like had all of the Necrons
• 1:11:20
  go into two worlds and rest and they're just now waking up in
• 1:11:24
  the 41st Millennium or so and coming back to fight.
• 1:11:27
  People are discovering 2 worlds and the Necrons are waking up
• 1:11:29
  and fucking shit up and stuff. But he just went to be alone in
• 1:11:33
  space for 60 million years to think about and kind of just be
• 1:11:41
  sort of penance for what he did to his people.
• 1:11:44
  So that's their story. So like.
• 1:11:45
  A long time too. It's very tragic.
• 1:11:48
  That's part of where a. Lot of like 80 ish years on
• 1:11:51
  earth and I'm like man that that's plenty for me.
• 1:11:54
  The other thing with that, and that's where a lot of the cure
• 1:11:57
  with Necrons comes from, is because when you're around for
• 1:11:59
  that long, you get old still like, but also like I think
• 1:12:04
  there's a book where they like they have art, there are plays,
• 1:12:07
  and to watch a Necron play, it's like it takes three years just
• 1:12:10
  to watch it. Because what time doesn't matter
• 1:12:14
  if you what? Time does it matter immortal
• 1:12:15
  exactly. But like some of the robots get
• 1:12:19
  robot dementia. Like there's this character
• 1:12:20
  named Nemesis or Zandrek who I love.
• 1:12:24
  He is a Necron that still thinks that he is a Necron tear and
• 1:12:29
  thinks that every other being that he encounters is also a
• 1:12:35
  Necron tier. So like he'll see an orc and go
• 1:12:39
  oh that Necron tier person is very green and large and
• 1:12:44
  brutish. That's very strange, but
• 1:12:50
  simultaneously he's like this great military mind like and but
• 1:12:53
  like that's part of the Necrons like silliness is that they all
• 1:12:57
  kind of have these weird quirks, but they have a lot of
• 1:12:59
  personality now that in the last 15 years they just got they
• 1:13:03
  didn't have it prior to that. Like, so much more has happened
• 1:13:06
  in the last 15 years that it's like, it's such a different
• 1:13:08
  thing now than it was, you know, even when I got into the hobby,
• 1:13:12
  like as a very small child. Anyway, Old Ones create the
• 1:13:17
  Eldar and the Orcs. They're kind of two sides of the
• 1:13:18
  same coin. Eldar, space elves.
• 1:13:21
  They are very intelligent, very passionate people.
• 1:13:24
  They feel everything to a greater degree than humans can.
• 1:13:29
  And they, after the Necrons go to sleep and after the orcs kind
• 1:13:35
  of fuck off, do their own thing. They have a very peaceful
• 1:13:39
  society for many, many years and that leads to boredom and that
• 1:13:43
  leads to debauchery and that leads to they doom themselves.
• 1:13:49
  To be all this time to be an Eldar is like a very sad
• 1:13:53
  existence. Basically the Chaos gods Lanesh
• 1:13:56
  that I mentioned earlier, they birthed just from doing so much
• 1:13:59
  debauchery shit. And because of that, if an Eldar
• 1:14:05
  dies, Slanesh claims their soul immediately.
• 1:14:09
  So their whole like kind of motive in the setting is to
• 1:14:12
  avoid that fate as best they can.
• 1:14:16
  And a lot of them do it in different ways.
• 1:14:18
  The main faction of Eldar are called craft worlds since they
• 1:14:20
  don't have a planet to go home to.
• 1:14:23
  A lot of Eldar just like live on these giant continent sized
• 1:14:27
  ships called craft worlds and they just float around space on
• 1:14:30
  these giant fucking ships and so cool those are the ones.
• 1:14:35
  Like many directions, the lore goes like there's like, it's
• 1:14:39
  like all-encompassing of like every any other world of lore
• 1:14:44
  that I've. That's part of why I love it is
• 1:14:47
  because there's so much in the world building.
• 1:14:48
  It's that intense. The craft worlds are like just
• 1:14:55
  one faction. Those people who got out before
• 1:14:56
  it got really bad who were like stop doing their debauchery for
• 1:14:59
  a second and went wait a minute I probably should be doing this.
• 1:15:01
  They left before all the bad should happen.
• 1:15:03
  Most of the Eldar are just dead and claimed by Slimesh.
• 1:15:07
  There's also another faction of Eldar called the Dukari who are
• 1:15:10
  like kind of the dark elf equivalent in space.
• 1:15:12
  They live in one city called Camara, and the way they stave
• 1:15:16
  off Slanesh is by not using any of their magic, not using any of
• 1:15:20
  their psychic, and just doing debaucherous shit still anyway
• 1:15:24
  to keep Slanesh appeased. So they will do like crazy body
• 1:15:30
  modifications, they'll have like gladiatorial pits and it's just
• 1:15:32
  like 1 space city in the entire Galaxy where they are, where
• 1:15:35
  they exist. And then there's they just.
• 1:15:38
  An action that you can like play as though.
• 1:15:41
  Or you can play as drukari, you can play as eldari like or craft
• 1:15:45
  royal dar. You could also play newly this
• 1:15:49
  is they just put these out exodites which are space elves
• 1:15:52
  that ride on dinosaurs. They were a thing in the war for
• 1:15:58
  a very long time. They just got models.
• 1:15:59
  I feel like I could just flip that.
• 1:16:02
  I felt like they just clip you saying space elves that ride on
• 1:16:04
  dinosaurs and that's it. That's.
• 1:16:06
  Roll credits. It's done.
• 1:16:07
  We're done. Another another faction of LR
• 1:16:12
  Harlequins. Space clowns.
• 1:16:15
  Space out clowns. They are actually a very
• 1:16:18
  terrifying and elite army that treat combat as a sort of
• 1:16:24
  performance. They have a lot of cool lore.
• 1:16:26
  I if I didn't, if I wasn't an orc player, I'd probably play
• 1:16:28
  Harlequins. I'm always drawn to like the the
• 1:16:33
  Bard class or like the former. Class.
• 1:16:35
  They are definitely more Bard, probably the closest to Bard as
• 1:16:39
  you can in a game that centers entirely around combat.
• 1:16:43
  Right, I guess that's as much Eldar as I can do right now.
• 1:16:48
  Orcs pretty self-explanatory. They have a sort of collective
• 1:16:53
  psychic might that is known as the Wah, which is a powerful
• 1:16:58
  force that can all tap into to do crazy shenanigans.
• 1:17:00
  And it was through the power of belief that they get stuff done.
• 1:17:03
  For example, if you are an orc boy and you are not keeping
• 1:17:06
  track of how many bullets you fired, you have unlimited ammo
• 1:17:11
  naturally, like via via just a collective psychic might.
• 1:17:15
  So in a way. Magic that lets them.
• 1:17:19
  It yeah, in a way. Olivia's and how that empowers
• 1:17:22
  them, yes. There are a lot of jokes to come
• 1:17:24
  about because of this. I I hope the one I just said is
• 1:17:27
  more grounded in the realism of the lore, but I'm not entirely
• 1:17:30
  sure. Like people would joke like oh
• 1:17:32
  they can breathe in space because they didn't realize it
• 1:17:34
  and once they did realize they couldn't breathe in space they
• 1:17:36
  all died. Like that's a funny 1 or like
• 1:17:41
  there's a there's a story about like like kind of a a a higher
• 1:17:46
  echelon or commander who like went back in time just to kill
• 1:17:50
  his past self to get a second copy of his gun.
• 1:17:56
  I mean, you know, that's a, that's a great strategy.
• 1:17:59
  No, they're they're, they're a lot of fun and they have a lot
• 1:18:04
  of unique lore and I'm trying to think if there's anything cool
• 1:18:07
  with them happening right now. I can't quite think of anything
• 1:18:13
  if like the the most notable character in the orcs is this
• 1:18:20
  character named Gospel Magurik Thraka, that is.
• 1:18:24
  A little bit of a mouthful. Yes, he he is considered to be a
• 1:18:30
  prophet who basically just wants to lead all of Orkdom to what if
• 1:18:35
  there was a big fight and we all came.
• 1:18:38
  That's his whole that's his whole thing, because that's
• 1:18:41
  their that's their whole reason for being is they just want to
• 1:18:43
  fight because it's fun for the love of the game.
• 1:18:47
  Don't entirely need a reason, but in a way Ork society is kind
• 1:18:50
  of awesome to be in. Their currency is their teeth,
• 1:18:55
  and their teeth are yes, just their end to end.
• 1:18:59
  And you can get them however you want.
• 1:19:00
  You can grow them yourself and pull them out, or you can knock
• 1:19:02
  them out of another orc boy and use those as your currency and
• 1:19:06
  they will always grow back. It's kind of a perfect society.
• 1:19:09
  You just use your teeth as currency to buy whatever you
• 1:19:12
  need and you always have a supply of it.
• 1:19:18
  I don't know how that works economically, but I like it.
• 1:19:24
  I mean, if you got an unlimited money factory in your mouth,
• 1:19:27
  like, yeah, you've kind of got a mate that.
• 1:19:30
  I'm I have too much empathy and now I'm thinking about ripping
• 1:19:34
  my own teeth out to pay for things and I don't.
• 1:19:36
  I don't really like where that makes my brain go.
• 1:19:39
  Also, unlike Eldar, orcs feel less pain so OK, so if they lose
• 1:19:45
  an arm or if they lose a head, it's funny.
• 1:19:50
  And they just regrow because they are fungi.
• 1:19:53
  Some of them do, some of them don't.
• 1:19:54
  OK, another thing with the with the this power of collective
• 1:19:59
  belief they have, the law allows them to like a lot of orc
• 1:20:02
  weapons nobody else can operate because it only works via the
• 1:20:06
  psychic mic of orcs. Like when humans get ahold of
• 1:20:09
  orc tech, they don't know what to do with it.
• 1:20:11
  They're just like this vehicle. This bike has wheels and no
• 1:20:16
  engine and it still drives. Just stuff like that.
• 1:20:25
  It's they're, they're a lot of fun.
• 1:20:27
  That's like the secret, like I believe it.
• 1:20:30
  So it's true. Yes.
• 1:20:32
  It's yeah, the they operate on just another like another plane
• 1:20:37
  of logic and reality that makes them a lot of fun to wield.
• 1:20:40
  They are very much depicted in the lore as being really like
• 1:20:43
  stupid and that's kind of fun. It does get old sometimes.
• 1:20:47
  But like they are in like in the in the actual universe, they are
• 1:20:51
  a very, very menacing threat. I guess moving on from them, the
• 1:20:56
  scariest thing that is in the Galaxy right now probably is the
• 1:21:00
  Tyranids, which are basically imagine a very large and very
• 1:21:04
  adaptable army of the Xenomorph from Alien.
• 1:21:09
  That sounds terrifying and I would imagine these are what
• 1:21:13
  became the zerg in the. Yeah, this is the Zerg.
• 1:21:17
  This is the bugs from Starship Troopers.
• 1:21:20
  Hive or what is it called? Is it the Hive in in Halo?
• 1:21:25
  Probably the Flood in Halo, that's what.
• 1:21:29
  It was another thing you will learn if you get too into this
• 1:21:32
  lore is that Games Workshop steals a lot from other IPS.
• 1:21:37
  So yeah, Tyranids are very much more locked.
• 1:21:39
  The Xenomorph all like there are a lot of high fleets.
• 1:21:44
  The scariest part of the Tyranids is that they different
• 1:21:48
  high fleets have been spotted in the Galaxy around just randomly
• 1:21:53
  different spots. So like an all on the outskirts.
• 1:21:56
  So they're moving in and basically it's implied that the
• 1:21:59
  entire Galaxy. Also I have blue tack on.
• 1:22:01
  I have poster attack on my hands.
• 1:22:02
  I've been playing it with it the whole time.
• 1:22:08
  I use them for to like to put arms and legs on stuff just to
• 1:22:13
  see how it looks. It's like a temporary fastener
• 1:22:18
  and also it's a great fidget toy.
• 1:22:23
  Let's see, periods will go to a planet and they will just rob it
• 1:22:28
  of all of its resources. Their whole thing is just we're
• 1:22:30
  hungry, we need to eat. And if like it doesn't matter if
• 1:22:33
  it's a plant, an animal, any sort of any sort of living
• 1:22:38
  matter Organism, they just harvest and digest and eat it
• 1:22:42
  and leave the pet the planet as just like rock and maybe some
• 1:22:44
  water. Like that's their whole
• 1:22:47
  terrifying thing. They it is implied they're just
• 1:22:51
  encircling the entire Galaxy and they've just been around and
• 1:22:56
  kind of already eaten everything else that isn't the Galaxy.
• 1:22:59
  I feel like there's so much in nightmare fuel in and I guess
• 1:23:03
  that's kind of the point, right? It's this grim dark worlds and.
• 1:23:07
  Yes that is the whole .2 nids are absolutely terrifying and
• 1:23:12
  then I guess the the last faction I'm I'm trying to think
• 1:23:15
  if I'm missing anything. I don't think I am the last
• 1:23:17
  faction the the Tao Empire, which is the closest thing you
• 1:23:19
  have to a good guy in the setting.
• 1:23:22
  They are a they're meant to be a collective of multiple different
• 1:23:27
  alien species that practice a sort of a sort of space
• 1:23:31
  socialism. They're kind of modeled off of
• 1:23:33
  like Gundam. A lot of their societies like
• 1:23:37
  very collective living. Most of their combat is long
• 1:23:41
  range to prolong, you know, the lives of the collective as best
• 1:23:46
  as they can. They have some cool characters
• 1:23:51
  too. There's a character named
• 1:23:52
  Commander Farsight who I can't really think about or remember
• 1:23:57
  much about in this present moment, but he's a very cool
• 1:24:02
  character. All of the Tao like the they'll
• 1:24:05
  wear these giant Gundam mech suits to do a lot of fighting
• 1:24:09
  and they'll have a lot of drones kind of flying around and that
• 1:24:12
  take fire for them. So they're not hurting anyone
• 1:24:15
  like they're they're they're kind of nice.
• 1:24:17
  That's pretty cool. It's implied that there's they,
• 1:24:21
  they're not perfect. They do the caste system and it
• 1:24:23
  is implied that they're using pheromones or like mind control
• 1:24:26
  or something to keep all of their like, you know, denizens
• 1:24:31
  pacified. But they are collected.
• 1:24:33
  Like there are humans in the Tao Empire.
• 1:24:35
  They they will bring humans into their world.
• 1:24:37
  There's a lot of like the other kind of miscellaneous alien
• 1:24:40
  species that are in the that are in the Galaxy are kind of
• 1:24:43
  allied. I feel like that probably opens
• 1:24:46
  up to like a lot of a cool story as well I guess.
• 1:24:51
  Yeah, if you if you want to not feel as bad about it.
• 1:24:55
  If you want to play the least worst of the terrible
• 1:24:59
  affections. So that is, that is as best I
• 1:25:02
  can do of a cursory overview. I think that's fantastic.
• 1:25:07
  I I feel like I've learned a lot of things.
• 1:25:14
  Yeah. I was just like, you know how
• 1:25:15
  you would get started into this? I guess you just pick up a
• 1:25:17
  podcast or book and. Yeah, there are some dive.
• 1:25:19
  In good. Lore videos that are a little
• 1:25:21
  better at explaining it than I am, but there's, there's so much
• 1:25:26
  to dive into. There's so much cool stuff.
• 1:25:28
  I I forgot about the adaptive sororities which are a human
• 1:25:33
  faction and they're all like their tagline is nuns with guns.
• 1:25:39
  Elves on dinosaurs clown. Elves, nuns, guns.
• 1:25:43
  Trying to think of like another fun tagline for for Warhammer
• 1:25:48
  40,000 and I can't right now. But yeah, it's it.
• 1:25:53
  It's, I think what I love most about the lore is just that it
• 1:25:56
  is. It feels like you, you can't dip
• 1:26:03
  a toe into it and know where you are.
• 1:26:06
  There's no starting point. All the lore kind of feels like
• 1:26:09
  a giant Mobius strip. There's no easy way to get into
• 1:26:13
  it until you know enough. And then once you know enough,
• 1:26:15
  you can kind of navigate your way around.
• 1:26:19
  I my mind is like. OK, Eric Werheim.
• 1:26:31
  Yeah, you. Mentioned John Grammaticus
• 1:26:33
  earlier and I wrote that down because that name is very funny.
• 1:26:39
  Where where does he fit in? You mentioned he fits in like.
• 1:26:41
  Everywhere there's there is a other storyline of a group of
• 1:26:46
  perpetuals called the Cabal in the lore who are just a group of
• 1:26:51
  just like observed Observatory shadowy figures that kind of to
• 1:26:56
  determine the course of all the events of the story that no one
• 1:26:59
  really knows a whole lot about. He's one of them and he's very
• 1:27:02
  bothersome to a lot of people that are in the fan base, but I
• 1:27:05
  don't know much more than that. If you want to get into funny
• 1:27:08
  names, anger on anger on anger on, you want to take a you want
• 1:27:16
  to take a gander at what his bid is, He's angry.
• 1:27:20
  He's very angry. He is a Primark.
• 1:27:24
  He is a Primark that is on the chaos side.
• 1:27:28
  He he's like the main Primark of the World Eaters, which are the
• 1:27:31
  factory that serves the chaos God corn blood for the blood guy
• 1:27:34
  to skull for the skull throne that that guy.
• 1:27:36
  And right now he's a demon Primark.
• 1:27:39
  He has these giant wings and his skin is entirely red and he's
• 1:27:43
  very, very angry and he, like his life, is very tragic and
• 1:27:48
  painful. There's this piece of technology
• 1:27:52
  in the four DK lore called the Butcher's Nails, which are a
• 1:27:56
  cranial implant that makes it so you feel in immense pain unless
• 1:28:02
  you are angry and being violent. My.
• 1:28:05
  Gosh, as a as he was growing up, he had to fight in gladiatorial
• 1:28:09
  pits on the home world. He was kind of thrown to
• 1:28:12
  catapult the two. And when the emperor found him,
• 1:28:15
  he was a bad dad, didn't help him get the butcher's nails
• 1:28:18
  taken out, didn't do anything good for him, didn't help his
• 1:28:20
  home planet or nothing. And so it was a lot easier for
• 1:28:23
  Angran to just be like, well, fuck you, man.
• 1:28:27
  There's a character I'm trying to think of like other
• 1:28:29
  characters. Oh, there's an Imperial Guard
• 1:28:32
  character, just like a random army guy named Sly Marbo Slime
• 1:28:37
  Arbo SLY Sly Marbo. Sly Marbo Marbo being an anagram
• 1:28:44
  for Rambo. It's just Sylvester Stallone.
• 1:28:47
  And you do and you do. Chuck Norris jokes with him.
• 1:28:51
  That's his whole thing. These named characters that you
• 1:28:56
  you're mentioning, are these like characters that you can buy
• 1:29:00
  you? Can.
• 1:29:01
  Buy angry have as part of your army.
• 1:29:03
  Yes, you can buy Angry and you can buy Slime Marbo.
• 1:29:06
  You can buy Karan the Betrayer, you can buy the Katan Shard of
• 1:29:12
  the Deceiver, you can buy it's again.
• 1:29:16
  And they're all so silly. Oh my goodness gracious.
• 1:29:19
  I'm trying to think of like another funny character.
• 1:29:22
  Not as funny as anger on. There's a character named
• 1:29:23
  Percherabo. He's just kind of annoyed all
• 1:29:28
  the time. No, he's also a Chaos Primark or
• 1:29:32
  I guess a traitor Primark. He doesn't really like the whole
• 1:29:34
  chaos mutation thing. He's the Primark of the Iron
• 1:29:37
  Warriors. They are very, very bad, bad
• 1:29:40
  bunch. His whole thing is just his
• 1:29:43
  whole battle strategy is just like throw everything at it
• 1:29:46
  until it's gone. Just the more stuff you have,
• 1:29:49
  the more you can manufacture, the more you make, the easier it
• 1:29:52
  will go down. Like he he is a very kind of
• 1:29:57
  awful character. So.
• 1:30:00
  I'm curious about the application of the war and
• 1:30:04
  storytelling into the game. So like you, let's say Lucas
• 1:30:08
  goes to a local game shop on a Wednesday night and is going to
• 1:30:11
  play a four hour game of Warhammer 4000.
• 1:30:17
  What is this? How do you how do you fit into
• 1:30:19
  the storytelling of it all? Or is it like every like you and
• 1:30:24
  your person that you're playing against come up with the reason
• 1:30:28
  why the combat is happening or. In 7th edition, SO4 editions
• 1:30:35
  ago, yes. Now it's just kind of a match
• 1:30:39
  play and the story you're telling is really just the
• 1:30:41
  battle itself. I don't think you're thinking
• 1:30:43
  about motive or you know, what the implication of that battle
• 1:30:47
  is in the larger context of the universe.
• 1:30:49
  I think nowadays if you're going and playing the game you're just
• 1:30:51
  planning to play, which is unfortunate, but there actually
• 1:30:55
  was not in 40K, but in fantasy there was a promotional thing
• 1:30:58
  they did where in warmer fantasy you got to determine the outcome
• 1:31:04
  of like an actual lore event based on battle reports that
• 1:31:06
  people have. That was that was cool.
• 1:31:08
  And I think they, I think they went back on that anyway.
• 1:31:14
  That's that's really neat. I've that that's that's too bad
• 1:31:19
  that didn't. Work.
• 1:31:20
  That's what I'm what I'm realizing in real time when
• 1:31:22
  we're having this conversation, is that Games Workshop really
• 1:31:24
  used to care about the people who are buying their shit, and
• 1:31:27
  they don't anymore. Yeah.
• 1:31:30
  I mean, you know, whatever you want to say about corporations,
• 1:31:33
  I feel like they ought to kind of end up the same.
• 1:31:36
  True, however much money we can make.
• 1:31:37
  I would think though that like lowering the barrier to entry
• 1:31:42
  would make them more money, but I guess I don't know.
• 1:31:47
  I think that it's, I mean 40K Warhammer in general has gotten
• 1:31:52
  really popular over the last couple years I think probably
• 1:31:57
  because of the Space Marine video game.
• 1:31:59
  As was saying, tie insurance to video games.
• 1:32:01
  And like Henry Cavill, being a fan of it and wanting to do some
• 1:32:05
  media with it. What is it?
• 1:32:07
  Henry Cavill? A fan of DC, evidently.
• 1:32:18
  But shit, where is it going with this?
• 1:32:20
  Oh my God. Oh there is a version of the
• 1:32:25
  game you can play where you don't need to buy a bunch of
• 1:32:27
  minis called Kill Team. If you were you know Kill Team
• 1:32:31
  is instead of fielding 30 miniatures you field Max like 10
• 1:32:37
  and that's a quicker game. It's more of a skirmish combat
• 1:32:40
  thing than it is a you know, full army scale battle thing.
• 1:32:45
  And that's probably how I will begin playing.
• 1:32:48
  Is like kill team, just bring 5 models and then go to town.
• 1:32:52
  Have fun. These don't have to.
• 1:32:55
  Yeah, it's not as. The time or the the the
• 1:32:58
  finances? Yes, it is not as intense of a
• 1:33:01
  financial commitment to play kill team, which is nice.
• 1:33:03
  Although GW are now Privy to this and they are changing kill
• 1:33:07
  teams so that old kill teams are no longer tournament legal.
• 1:33:12
  Of course not how? Whatever they can do to.
• 1:33:17
  To squeeze, squeeze people drive the fan, the fan bases that are
• 1:33:21
  hated by the people who are responsible for the media the
• 1:33:25
  most are like Warhammer, magic the Gathering and the NFL.
• 1:33:30
  Those three like those three like companies just like hate,
• 1:33:40
  hate the people who love the thing they make, which is a
• 1:33:43
  shame. Oh my God, Like the NFL
• 1:33:47
  especially, and we don't need to get into that right now, but
• 1:33:49
  it's like. Are you a big Eagles fan?
• 1:33:53
  I'm guessing. Purely based off of where you
• 1:33:54
  live. OK, huge eagles fan and not but
• 1:33:57
  I wasn't always I used to this is going to be a a tangent.
• 1:34:01
  You could you could, you could make the episode wherever 40,000
• 1:34:04
  and then like parentheses and then we would.
• 1:34:06
  Slowly dip into the Eagles. My parents used to watch every
• 1:34:11
  game when the Eagles weren't quite as good.
• 1:34:14
  And I, I would, I would ask like, why do you do this to
• 1:34:18
  yourselves? Why do you go in and have this
• 1:34:21
  much faith in a team that just lets you down constantly?
• 1:34:23
  And it wasn't until I, it wasn't until I was in Philadelphia when
• 1:34:29
  we won the NFC championship before the Super Bowl against
• 1:34:33
  the Patriots that I understood it's it.
• 1:34:37
  That's what love is. Love is love is being there for
• 1:34:40
  something even though it lets you down.
• 1:34:42
  Love is being there for something unconditionally.
• 1:34:45
  And as much as Eagles fans will pelt Santa Claus with snowballs
• 1:34:52
  and yell at A.J. Brown, we love this thing.
• 1:34:55
  We do it because we care. We love like and and I have
• 1:35:03
  never felt like more of a part of a community like then I have
• 1:35:08
  just being an eagles fan in Philadelphia.
• 1:35:10
  You wear an eagles like any eagles merch outside of your
• 1:35:13
  home. A stranger will be like, hey, go
• 1:35:15
  birds like it's it's a beautiful thing.
• 1:35:18
  And like having like this one very shorthand common interest
• 1:35:24
  is like a very I got a very special thing.
• 1:35:26
  It kind of it kind of makes the entire city of Philadelphia feel
• 1:35:29
  like it's own quasi third space. Catherine, who is the producer
• 1:35:33
  for, you know, Kids Anonymous, she's also a an eagles fan.
• 1:35:37
  And we were at Warped Tour doing some media stuff and she was
• 1:35:42
  wearing something eagles and the security guards just like go
• 1:35:46
  birds and let her through like. When we were on tour, we went to
• 1:35:51
  an Eagles bar in Atlanta and watched a game and that was a
• 1:35:54
  lot of fun too. Like you will find.
• 1:35:56
  The other cool thing about being an Eagles fan in particular is
• 1:35:58
  you will like find diehards kind of anywhere you go.
• 1:36:02
  There are a lot of casual Cowboys fans in Philadelphia,
• 1:36:05
  though. I I grew up in San Diego and I
• 1:36:11
  am a Tartars fan very much for the same reason.
• 1:36:14
  Like, I was there when the the one and only time we went to the
• 1:36:17
  Super Bowl and got absolutely decimated by the 49ers when I
• 1:36:23
  was like in second grade. When they moved just to LA, were
• 1:36:28
  you devastated? I was.
• 1:36:29
  Devastated. I was living in Florida at the
• 1:36:31
  time. I was like, I'm not a Chargers
• 1:36:32
  fan anymore. I can't believe they would
• 1:36:34
  leave. I was like, I'm going to be a
• 1:36:37
  Buccaneers fan. I'm going to pick another team.
• 1:36:39
  That lasted for like maybe a season, half of a season, and I
• 1:36:43
  was like, I got to go back. I almost named my son, my son's
• 1:36:47
  name was almost and I I say this and it's not a joke like my wife
• 1:36:52
  and I were very close to this. My son's name was almost Philip
• 1:36:55
  Rivers Cuomo middle name so that he could be Philip Rivers and
• 1:37:00
  Rivers Cuomo. Awesome.
• 1:37:02
  That's probably my biggest regret is not just signing, not
• 1:37:05
  not writing that on the the birth certificate.
• 1:37:10
  Yeah, your middle name when you're first name are before and
• 1:37:12
  after on Jeopardy. That's, that's awesome.
• 1:37:24
  I again, part of I'm very grateful to be an Eagles fan.
• 1:37:27
  I hope that we never moved from Philadelphia.
• 1:37:28
  I'd be devastated. I cannot imagine that
• 1:37:31
  Philadelphia would ever allow that to happen.
• 1:37:34
  I would hope that we just make the NFL too much money.
• 1:37:37
  They wouldn't. Yeah.
• 1:37:38
  But like, that's why it like some fan bases like have to kind
• 1:37:46
  of live scared and I feel bad for them.
• 1:37:48
  Like if you're like a like a Falcons fan or like a hell,
• 1:37:54
  even, like if they weren't as good as they've been recently,
• 1:37:57
  even a chiefs fan, like you'd have to be worried.
• 1:38:00
  Hell, the the Saint Louis Rams, now the Los Angeles Rams, like
• 1:38:04
  and now they're really good. And it's like, I don't, they
• 1:38:08
  don't like everything. Like it's, it's a, it's a scary
• 1:38:11
  thing because there's so much, there's so many good, like non
• 1:38:16
  financial things that come from having a team that is so tired
• 1:38:19
  of the identity of your city. And when that team moves like a
• 1:38:26
  it's, it's kind of heartbreaking.
• 1:38:28
  Every team that's every team has moved to Vegas.
• 1:38:31
  Oh my God, the. I was going to say the Raiders
• 1:38:36
  going from LA or I think they were in Oakland and then down to
• 1:38:40
  LA, then back to Oakland and then out to Las Vegas now.
• 1:38:44
  I didn't realize they were in LA at at one point.
• 1:38:46
  I know that. I thought for, I thought it was
• 1:38:48
  just Los Angeles didn't really have a football team and for
• 1:38:53
  whatever reason, they wanted to be Raiders fans before they
• 1:38:55
  wanted to be Chargers fans and they.
• 1:38:57
  Had they had the Raiders for a little while?
• 1:39:00
  I don't remember how long they were there.
• 1:39:03
  My brother was a big Raiders fan for some reason and still is I'm
• 1:39:07
  sure. I I know a Browns fan.
• 1:39:12
  Wow. Yeah, that's a rare bird.
• 1:39:17
  Like the state of Ohio? And then that's about it.
• 1:39:20
  I mean, I, I like, I like Ohio. I love Ohio not to talk music on
• 1:39:27
  the on the on the Warhammer podcast.
• 1:39:31
  Carly Cosgrove's longest set to date was a 19 song set in
• 1:39:35
  Cleveland, OH. 19 songs. That's a that is a.
• 1:39:40
  Did you break that up at all or you guys just played?
• 1:39:42
  Through well we we it was just we did A2 song encore that we
• 1:39:47
  didn't think we were going to get it yeah and also a lot of
• 1:39:50
  the songs the new record are like a little shorter so we can.
• 1:39:53
  Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
• 1:39:55
  Anyway, not to not to derail too much, I don't want to take up
• 1:39:58
  too much of your time if you got to get going for anything but.
• 1:40:02
  I, well, I'm right now I'm thinking like, how do I cut this
• 1:40:04
  into an episode of a, of a podcast?
• 1:40:07
  And I think the answer is maybe I cut it into two episodes of a
• 1:40:10
  podcast. Maybe I just have a a bonus
• 1:40:13
  episode of of the deep dive into the lore.
• 1:40:17
  You can. You can actually.
• 1:40:18
  You went through and cut all of my elongated pauses because I'm
• 1:40:23
  too afraid to use a filler word. You could probably get it down
• 1:40:25
  to like an hour. Maybe I should be more afraid of
• 1:40:29
  using filler words. I use a lot and I've found that
• 1:40:32
  editing. But yeah, I, I really appreciate
• 1:40:40
  you coming on. I appreciate you reaching out.
• 1:40:43
  What, what, what can we plug for Carly Cosgrove?
• 1:40:47
  I know that you guys have a tour coming up that I'm very excited
• 1:40:50
  about. Yeah, we're we're going on a a
• 1:40:54
  North America tour with with free thrown microwave as well as
• 1:40:58
  Flycatcher Kerosene Heights puddle splasher.
• 1:41:00
  It's going to be a lot of fun this fall.
• 1:41:02
  I'm very mad that Kerosene Heights is not making it to
• 1:41:04
  North Carolina, where they're from.
• 1:41:06
  But I mean, I'm sure they'll, I'm sure they'll play a gig
• 1:41:09
  there. I can't imagine they wouldn't.
• 1:41:11
  They they do. Yeah, enough.
• 1:41:13
  I've seen them twice this year. Three times this year.
• 1:41:17
  Very. Excited to be going to like the
• 1:41:20
  the cities in Canada that most tourists don't get to go to for
• 1:41:23
  the first time. Like we're going to the
• 1:41:27
  provinces of Saskatchewan and Alberta and Manitoba.
• 1:41:29
  I don't know if we're playing all those provinces, but I know
• 1:41:32
  we're playing Winnipeg. That's the that's the name
• 1:41:34
  that's in Calgary. I think that's really cool.
• 1:41:37
  Yeah. I've never been to these places
• 1:41:39
  before, so very excited for that.
• 1:41:41
  What I, I, you, I, you mentioned this early on and I'm going to
• 1:41:45
  throw it back to you talking about having to like work your
• 1:41:48
  way up to leaving. And I think that that's a really
• 1:41:51
  interesting, like leaving your house.
• 1:41:54
  And I think that's a really interesting, like a
• 1:41:55
  juxtaposition of someone who goes out on these long tours and
• 1:41:59
  gets to travel the world and like, what a cool way to get out
• 1:42:06
  of your comfort zone, maybe a little bit and, and go to all
• 1:42:09
  these really cool places and, and meet a ton of new people
• 1:42:13
  every night. Definitely, yeah.
• 1:42:17
  I mean, like, honestly, I, I feel my, I feel my mental health
• 1:42:21
  and my physical health improve when I'm on tour, which is a
• 1:42:24
  strange thing to say. But like, I, I, I mean, I take
• 1:42:28
  better care of myself because I have to, Like, if I don't drink
• 1:42:31
  water, I'm not going to be able to sing.
• 1:42:32
  My voice is going to give out. I'm like I, I, I, I abstain
• 1:42:37
  entirely from alcohol on tour and in preparation for tour
• 1:42:40
  because I, I want to, I want to make sure that I really give the
• 1:42:47
  best show I can. And sometimes I can't.
• 1:42:49
  And that doesn't mean I'm not trying.
• 1:42:53
  I mean, I think it's pretty widely held among people who are
• 1:42:58
  emo fans that Carly Cosgrove puts on a hell of a show.
• 1:43:02
  I appreciate, thank you very much.
• 1:43:04
  I would. I would imagine your worst
• 1:43:05
  nights are probably still the best nights for the people in
• 1:43:09
  attendance. I I mean, like not to get not to
• 1:43:15
  get in too much of the psychology of the show, but
• 1:43:17
  like, I think part of why I love performing in Carly particularly
• 1:43:21
  is because it is very much without a net thing.
• 1:43:24
  But the downside of that is like it's very much like 1.
• 1:43:28
  You know, one weird thing can kind of put you in a weird
• 1:43:31
  headspace for the rest of the gig.
• 1:43:33
  Like especially technical difficulties because they're a
• 1:43:36
  bit beyond your control if you have to.
• 1:43:38
  And you know, there are parts of our set where I'm we're we're
• 1:43:42
  live looping. We don't play to a click.
• 1:43:46
  So like I will record a guitar part into a looper pedal for
• 1:43:49
  like a chunk of song and then we will just have to lock into that
• 1:43:53
  and be at the mercy of the loop for like 30 seconds with that.
• 1:43:58
  And if I fuck that up, then we then we have a decision to make.
• 1:44:04
  We're just like, do we just like not have a guitar part just
• 1:44:07
  disappear during the set or do we just roll with it and do our
• 1:44:12
  like? It's a like, but that's, I think
• 1:44:14
  that's part of the charm of the show.
• 1:44:15
  Is it? I like that it's without a net.
• 1:44:18
  That is really cool, thank you for sharing that.
• 1:44:21
  I'm not on this Warhammer podcast.
• 1:44:26
  I could bring it back to Warhammer.
• 1:44:27
  There's a there's a a kind of a novelty orc unit called the Goth
• 1:44:31
  Rockers. The goth rockers.
• 1:44:33
  Yeah, I don't think it's you can actually field and play, but
• 1:44:36
  it's just like a fun model. It's a sculpt of an orc that's
• 1:44:38
  just like singing into, oh, fuck.
• 1:44:42
  Singing into like a microphone with like a top hat looking like
• 1:44:44
  slash. It's like they they have a sense
• 1:44:49
  of humor over there. Yeah.
• 1:44:52
  I like when some when there's something that can take itself
• 1:44:57
  for what it is and and just not be super serious.
• 1:45:00
  Yeah, it's plastic army men. People get into the more toxic
• 1:45:04
  parts of the 40K community, as I understand it, get into really
• 1:45:08
  annoying arguments online about what the universe would allow
• 1:45:12
  and what it wouldn't allow. It's like, listen, like every,
• 1:45:16
  like all of us here probably would be, you know, living in,
• 1:45:25
  like living in squalor. That would make squalor on Earth
• 1:45:29
  right now seem like luxury. If we were like in the 40K
• 1:45:33
  universe, we would not see this high.
• 1:45:36
  High cities are really cool. High cities are a part of
• 1:45:38
  imperial life where it's just like, imagine, just like
• 1:45:42
  building on top of, like building on top of building on
• 1:45:45
  top of building. Yeah.
• 1:45:47
  And there are people who live at the very bottom of the high city
• 1:45:50
  who just have like, will live their whole lives and never see
• 1:45:52
  the song. Like you could like.
• 1:45:54
  That's kind of like, I don't know if you've ever read or seen
• 1:45:58
  the movie Ready Player 1. Ohio is the the, the, the
• 1:46:05
  central location of of the world essentially in in this in this
• 1:46:09
  place. And they live in the stacks,
• 1:46:11
  which are essentially stacked up motorhomes or or RV's that are
• 1:46:19
  just stacked up to the sky. Well.
• 1:46:23
  That is, that is, that is pretty cool. 40K also has its own
• 1:46:27
  Soylent green. It is called corpse starch.
• 1:46:34
  How bad is your life? It to suck if like you are
• 1:46:36
  eating the deceased remains of your loved ones as a source of
• 1:46:40
  nutrition as corpse? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:46
  The the world building is really interesting.
• 1:46:47
  Also this, I didn't touch on it, but in the Imperium of Man,
• 1:46:50
  there's a really cool Gothic team they have going on.
• 1:46:52
  A lot of their weapons are like very how like very prominent,
• 1:46:58
  like Gothic architecture, inspiration and a lot of
• 1:47:00
  religious imagery. You can drop churches on people
• 1:47:03
  as like as like a weapon. There is a in the Sisters of
• 1:47:07
  Battle, there is a pipe organ church that you can field.
• 1:47:10
  It is like a giant tank. Sorry, a giant pipe organ tank.
• 1:47:15
  How how big are these pieces that people are painting and
• 1:47:19
  like, are they like massive like you size of your size of your
• 1:47:22
  thumb? So if this grot is the smallest
• 1:47:25
  thing you can probably paint or one of the smaller things you
• 1:47:28
  can paint, There are how I think of, I actually haven't seen them
• 1:47:36
  in person, but there are these there are these things called
• 1:47:39
  Titans, which are like probably like this tall with the idea of
• 1:47:45
  like these are giant mobile mechanized churches that will
• 1:47:49
  stomp on infantry and shoot large giant missiles at other,
• 1:47:56
  you know, swaths of enemies. Yeah, a a lot of the scale of
• 1:48:01
  40K is very, very grand. Even like every every vehicle
• 1:48:07
  for the most part is like blown to the just insane and heinous
• 1:48:10
  proportions to the characters like to the to the inventory
• 1:48:13
  models. A lot of the tanks in the
• 1:48:16
  Imperial Guard are kind of model after like real life World War 2
• 1:48:21
  style tanks and but the only difference is their scale is so
• 1:48:25
  much. Larger, yeah, I that's I can see
• 1:48:27
  what you're saying. Yeah.
• 1:48:28
  Oh, you just reminded me of like another funny name thing.
• 1:48:34
  So, you know, I was talking about earlier how tech with
• 1:48:36
  technology you don't like, you don't invent new technology so
• 1:48:40
  much as you find it. A lot of times when people find
• 1:48:44
  this old technology, they will name it after an important
• 1:48:47
  person or maybe the person who finds it or something.
• 1:48:50
  There is a tank called the Lehman Russ in the game that is
• 1:48:54
  named after the Primark Lehman Russ.
• 1:48:57
  There is a tank called the Rogel Doran in the game that is named
• 1:49:00
  after the Primark Rogel Doran. And then there's a tank called
• 1:49:02
  the Land Raider and it is named after Arcan Land.
• 1:49:12
  All the names you've told me are, they're gold.
• 1:49:14
  Here, let's see. Oh, oh, mortarian kind of self
• 1:49:21
  kind of self-explanatory. That's the the demon Primark of
• 1:49:25
  the Death Guard, which is like the Nergal Space Marine faction.
• 1:49:32
  There's a lot of I feel like there's funny orc ones but
• 1:49:34
  they're not as explanatory as to what they are.
• 1:49:37
  Orcs have a lot. Orcs have fun names.
• 1:49:38
  My favorite orc character is Wazdaka Gutsmech.
• 1:49:43
  Wazdaka Gutsmech. Yes he is.
• 1:49:49
  He just got a model for the first time ever which I'm very
• 1:49:52
  excited. That's cool, but I don't like
• 1:49:54
  the sculptor very much. He is a an orc mech mechanic who
• 1:50:01
  rides around in an incredibly fast motorcycle and that's his
• 1:50:05
  whole thing. It's just need for speed.
• 1:50:08
  Something that amazes me and that I have like this, I think
• 1:50:14
  maybe this conversation more than any other conversation I've
• 1:50:18
  had on on this show so far has been really illustrative of is
• 1:50:23
  there are these fandoms that exist in the world that I've
• 1:50:27
  never heard of and other people just have no idea exists and
• 1:50:31
  they just go so deep. It's crazy.
• 1:50:35
  And I, I think that's fantastic. Thank.
• 1:50:38
  I mean, thank you. I think about that sometimes
• 1:50:43
  with like with like certain bands, like 21 Pilots, like
• 1:50:50
  there's just this like lore to that band that I've never heard
• 1:50:53
  of. But I know that there are people
• 1:50:55
  that are like super deep into it and I don't know.
• 1:50:58
  I think that's really cool. I just got to see My Chemical
• 1:51:01
  Romance last week with my partner I saw.
• 1:51:04
  That on Instagram you you have. Some stuff on their shows are
• 1:51:07
  that their shows are lore, like you can be a nerd about My
• 1:51:11
  Chemical Romance and understanding like they're that
• 1:51:13
  is that is a that is a thing you can be a nerd about.
• 1:51:17
  You could be a nerd about Kendrick Lamar.
• 1:51:19
  You could be a nerd about Nas. You could be a nerd about like
• 1:51:23
  you could be a nerd about I'm trying to think of like like a
• 1:51:26
  classic rock band that has probably a lot of lore.
• 1:51:29
  The Beatles. You could be a big nerd about
• 1:51:30
  The Beatles, but some of The Beatles biggest fans are not
• 1:51:35
  nerds about The Beatles. You.
• 1:51:37
  Can still love it without getting into the fandom.
• 1:51:40
  Or or just not bothering to try to understand it better.
• 1:51:43
  Like I suspect that Liam Gallagher, frontman of Oasis, is
• 1:51:49
  not a nerd about The Beatles, even though he loves John
• 1:51:52
  Lennon. And I think he would love John
• 1:51:54
  Lennon less if he bothered to learn more about John Lennon.
• 1:52:00
  I really appreciate you coming on.
• 1:52:01
  I appreciate you sharing this passion with me and and the rest
• 1:52:04
  of the audience. Who gets to listen to you to
• 1:52:06
  you. Tell us the lore.
• 1:52:10
  Excited for the tour. Is there more Carly Cosgrove
• 1:52:13
  music coming in the future? I am not at liberty to disclose.
• 1:52:18
  OK, fair enough. We will leave it at that.
• 1:52:21
  Do with that information what keep your secrets then Yeah.
• 1:52:25
  God damn it, there's a fucking character in Warhammer called
• 1:52:28
  the Keeper of Secrets. Every time we talk in the future
• 1:52:35
  and I and honestly, I kind of hope that we we get some more
• 1:52:39
  opportunity to, to have some more of these conversations.
• 1:52:42
  I hope that every time we do, you bring up more and more
• 1:52:45
  Warhammer. Characters.
• 1:52:46
  That'll be my running gag. That'll be my running gag.
• 1:52:48
  You're like, oh, did you know there's a character named
• 1:52:52
  Kamasar Yarik that has nothing to do with anything?
• 1:52:57
  Well, thank you again. Appreciate it.
• 1:53:00
  Everybody go see Carly Cosgrove on tour with free throw and
• 1:53:03
  micro microwave. Jeez, all of a sudden I was like
• 1:53:07
  nervous about saying the word microwave.
• 1:53:09
  Everyone go see free throw with microwave and Carly Cosgrove
• 1:53:14
  this this fall. And yeah, thanks again, Lucas.
• 1:53:17
  I really appreciate it.