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it's only one back by popular demand we're doing
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a follow -up episode on one of our highest ranking
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assholes the man we love to hate because he wears
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socks with sandals i think that's where we landed
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on it is steven greer what has he been up to
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you ask definitely some new bullshit i'm pretty
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excited to dive into this with you all he's been
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a busy boy Scratch that. He's been a busy, weird,
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freakish man. Yeah, you know, it's so sad that
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some evil people can work so hard. Why can't
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they all just be like David Wellcock? I miss
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him. My Sundays have never been the same. Doctor,
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can't forget the doctor, Stephen Greer, has been
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incredibly active over the past year, aggressively
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pushing the boundaries of his disclosure project
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and introducing several new highly complex theories
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into the ufology space. There is some wild material
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to unpack. Obviously, I can't cover it all because
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of the amount of bullshit this man generates
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because... I don't want to. Whatever will come
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of these episodes, maybe, will be plenty to hold
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you over for probably the next year or so, I
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hope. Because I fucking hate listening to this
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man. Oh, yeah. It's hard doing an episode on
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him. One, because he is litigious. And then two,
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he's just like, you have to listen to him. Okay,
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well, this is all. What do we say if he's litigious?
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Yeah, this is a personal opinion. Yeah, this
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is all my personal opinion. To start out with
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his recent media and projects, Greer has been
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hitting the podcast circuit pretty, pretty hard.
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He has been making the rounds on several high
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-profile and unexpected podcasts. In March 2025,
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he appeared on Khloe Kardashian's podcast. What?
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Yeah, Khloe in Wonderland. She did some stuff.
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I've actually been seeing a weird amount of celebrities
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getting involved in UFOs and aliens right now.
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She's... gone back she's expressed an interest
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like a while back on UFOs and they did a thing
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on the Kardashians with Travis Walton because
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of her interest in UFOs so it's not totally out
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of left field I don't think the podcast was Chloe
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in Wonderland and he discussed secret tech and
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the flight for disclosure He's also been a recurring
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guest on the Unveiled podcast, and he discussed
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everything from the Epstein files to the science
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behind scalar waves in connection with the missing
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MH370 flight. No information on that. I'm actually
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curious what he would have to say about the Epstein
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files. Actually, I was just listening to, God,
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I hated every second of it, a podcast he was
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on, and he talked about how he met... donald
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trump's son or something at mar -a -lago i was
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like that's probably something you don't want
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to admit anyhow But yeah, he's really in with
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the Mar -a -Lago crowd now. He's really in with
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any crowd that he can find. Anybody who will
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let him in that has power, yes. Don't forget,
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he also has his own network. He continues to
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host the Dr. Stephen Greer podcast, where he
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dives deep into his CE5, which is Close Encounters
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of the Fifth Kind, as a reminder. That he made
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up. Oh yeah, totally made up. Protocols and interviews
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other researchers. He also has a new documentary.
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He has been promoting his latest film, CE5, The
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New Frontier of Contact, which focuses heavily
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on his methodology for human -initiated extraterrestrial
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contact through consciousness. Perhaps we will
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take a look at it at our next family meeting.
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Oh, God. I'm a little worried he's going to try
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to franchise out those events he has in person.
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I don't know who he's going to franchise out
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with just because of the way he fucking positions
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himself that nobody else would do it. Yeah, that's
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a good point. He's also been very busy hosting
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major events. The 25th anniversary press conference.
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Greer organized a historic 25th anniversary National
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Press Club event on May 8th, 2026, echoing his
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original groundbreaking 2001 disclosure project
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press conference. How he keeps this going beyond
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me. At the time of recording, there will be a
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contact retreat next week. Yesterday, two days
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ago, July 24th. To 26, 2026. Time got away from
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me. Whoops. This does not seem to be an AI -generated
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conference like the new and improved Serpo gambling
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website. Which is gone. I've lost it. Yeah, it's
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taken down now, by the way. I was on a wild ride
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researching all of this, if you can't tell already.
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I was like, I wonder if Serpo's still there.
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No. And you knew about it too. How do you know?
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Yeah. I was really thinking of doing a Serpo
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episode. Anyhow, basic tickets start at $828
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USD. VIP $1 ,700 USD. And it includes joining
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Dr. Greer for a meet and greet VIP party with
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appetizers and drinks in a private area set aside
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for the group at Hazy Mountain Winery. It just
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goes up from there with other bullshit add -ons
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with Greer all the way up to like $8 ,000 USD.
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But I lost interest in this pretty quick. I can't
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believe they can keep adding after they do the
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private tasting at a winery on their UFO. guaranteed
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ufo sighting event yeah i think he does guarantee
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the ufos too right he might not i think he actually
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like says a lot of the time but like he always
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tries to see anything as a ufo oh yeah i remember
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oh my god i do you think that he would dress
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up as a gray i could see it actually no i If
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I recall correctly, he blames people in the group
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of being not in the right mindset if they don't
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show up. Oh, right, yes. I do remember that.
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Anyhow, if you're listening and you did happen
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to attend Contact in the Blue Ridge at the Hazy
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Mountain Winery, drop us a comment. Was it awful?
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I bet you it was awful. Did aliens show up at
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the winery? Was it worth the extra thousand dollars?
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Do you think the aliens were stupid enough to
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spend that much money to go to his event? Anyhow,
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he's been doing live tours and he continues to
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host in -person events, including a major presentation
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planned for Montreal in September 2026 and various
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disclosure -focused seminars across North America.
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I know you're probably thinking, but what kind
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of bullshit could he possibly be talking about?
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Well, you would be excited to know that Greer
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is effectively pivoting from simply saying aliens
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are here to arguing that the narrative of their
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arrival is being violently manipulated by human
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shadow governments. And we've got some new theories
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and claims that I'm going to give you an overview
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of and then we're going to jump around a little
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bit in the process while we unpack a little bit
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of this. So the first new thing that Greer is
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talking about is the Bugosphere. That's B -U
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-G -A sphere. Greer has been heavily discussing
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a purportedly 12 ,500 -ish year old artifact
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called the Bugosphere. In recent podcast appearances,
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he claims to have secured micro CT scans of this
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object, suggesting it holds secrets to ancient
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advanced technology. It's exactly as it sounds.
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It's like a sphere. Didn't we do an episode on
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those things? No, this is different than what
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you're thinking of. I know what you're thinking
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of, but I don't know exactly what those were.
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Yeah, this one is probably like a little bit
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bigger than basketball size maybe. I didn't look
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a whole lot into it because Steven Groot. Pardon
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me. I did not mean to refer to him like that.
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He's talking about it, so it meant that it's
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probably not that important. He says it holds
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secret ancient advanced technology. I won't go
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too far into this one. It seems to be the new
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Atacama skeleton type thing. Oh, yeah. We'll
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just wait till the documentary comes out and
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we're forced to watch it with family members,
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who we actually forced them to watch it. But
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let's not get into the nitty gritty of that.
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They love it. That being said, he only seems
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to be artificially involved with the bugosphere.
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It's not like he took possession of a baby's
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skeleton this time. And like I said, I don't
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have the details, but he doesn't seem to actually
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have this thing. So he's just like... Oh, so
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like he can talk about it, but like it's all
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speculation because like he's seen things, but
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he doesn't have it. He can't perform surgery
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on it. Exactly. It's not like somebody entrusted
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him with this fetus and then he slandered everybody
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saying that they're going against him when they
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said it's not an alien. All personal opinion.
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Thank you. The official story for this thing
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goes that in March 2025, a metallic orb slightly
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larger than a basketball was allegedly filmed
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flying low on the outskirts of Bugga. a small
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town in Valle del Cauca, Colombia. According
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to the story, the object struck high -tension
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power lines, causing a massive flash and a discharge
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of thousands of volts and disabled it, sending
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it crashing into a nearby ravine. That's all
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I'm going to tell you about the bugosphere on
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this one. Perhaps in a future episode, we might
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not want to cover it. government disclosure as
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a dead end. This is the other bullshit he's on
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about. Despite his career being built on demanding
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government disclosure and the Disclosure Project,
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Greer has been highly critical of the recent
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official push. Highly. Highly. I can't say highly
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enough. And I haven't looked into this, but I
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guarantee refuses to say anything bad about Trump.
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Guarantee it. I didn't hear anything bad about
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Trump. No, we're going to talk more in depth
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about this one. I just want to get through kind
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of Cole's notes of what he's up to. He recently
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stated that the current government panels on
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UFOs are a paradox designed to cover up the truth,
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comparing them to the panels of the 50s and 60s
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that effectively funneled the topic into a data.
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Staged abductions and bio nanotech Frankenstein.
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That's another thing. This is arguably his most
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explosive current theory. Greer is claiming that
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rogue military factions are staging alien abductions
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using man -made bio -nanotech entities, which
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he refers to as Frankensteins. He refers to them
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as a whole lot of things. He argues this is a
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psychological warfare tactic designed to gaslight
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the public and politicians into funding an interplanetary
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holy war or false plague alien invasion. Of course.
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Obviously. Those are, in a nutshell, all the
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things that he's talking about. If you want,
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like, to stop, don't stop listening now. I'm
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sorry, I didn't mean to say that. I didn't. You
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have to stick around. Yeah, please stay to the
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end. Now let's talk more about it. There's some
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good stuff in here. Don't stop listening. One
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of the rounds Stephen Greer makes is on InfoWars,
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which just sounds fucking awful. Well, that is
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ended because Alex Jones does not have InfoWars
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anymore. And if nobody's checked it out, go check
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out Tim Heidecker has done some fun stuff. I
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haven't actually looked at it yet. In the first
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episode, Alex Jones exploded and they're going
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through all the conspiracy theories over the
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next episodes. Okay, I need to take a look at
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this. What was the previous InfoWars he was on
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in March 17th, 2025? I actually wonder if there's
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a knowledge fight about it. I should look into
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that as well. Oh, with Stephen Greer? No, potentially.
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Yeah, I'm going to look at it, actually. I don't
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know. The biggest thing to come out of this interview
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is this clip here. Let's take a listen. Okay.
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God, I hate it. If aliens wanted to kill us,
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they would just think it would be done. Oh, we're
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done. Yeah, I mean, imagine interstellar level
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and quantum entanglement level technologies weaponized.
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It would be a nanosecond. So they're obviously,
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they're very peaceful and they're very concerned
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about our situation. They're like bird watchers.
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They're looking at us in the eyes and think we're
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pretty. Well, I think it's more than that. No,
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I think there is a compelling long -term interest
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in how the Earth as a beautiful... part of the
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creation and humans came out like 10 years ago
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where the psychic aliens that look like giant
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squid come because in our evolution we helped
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them later it was kind of like that right yeah
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and and arrival some of the ones that are some
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of the ones that have been seen are actually
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our descendants from half a million years in
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the future that have come back to warn us about
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what we're doing i mean this sounds oh but only
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some of them slow down and explain that Well,
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for example, at Rendlesham Forest, Bentwater's
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Air Force Base in the early 1980s, there was
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a landing of a pyramid -shaped black onyx craft.
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And we have multiple whistleblowers for that.
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What people don't know is that the senior U .S.
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military Air Force people who were there had
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an encounter with very tall, luminous white beings
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that floated through the shell of the craft.
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communicated with them and said, we are your
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descendants from 500 ,000 years in the future,
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where humans had become interstellar and evolved
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into these incredibly amazing spiritual beings,
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but were also going out throughout the cosmos.
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And that they said, if you continue on the path
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you're on of nuclear war. and global destruction
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and endless war we your descendants will not
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exist so let's stop right there that makes perfect
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sense now understanding quantum mechanics has
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all been proven not as theoretical this is advanced
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archaeology is time travel adjusting the future
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both these men love to hear themselves yeah that
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actually those guys would make a great skit team
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they yes and each other perfectly Funny that
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we've covered the Randall Swim Force before,
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and I don't remember that part of the story where
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a white entity went through the UFO and said,
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we are from 500 ,000 years in the future, and
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we're you. Isn't that interesting? They did say
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stop warring. But yeah. Yeah. Just to repeat,
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if you can't tell from listening because you
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tuned out because it's Alex Jones and Stephen
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Greer, I'll say it here so that you can listen
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to me. He's talking about how the U .S. military
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received time travel visitors from 500 ,000 years
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in the future. You gotta love. Can I just add?
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Sorry, while we're right here. Yeah. I just love
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his equal parts. It's nothing but love. But also
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everything is terrifying. Like they could immediately
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end your life just by thinking about it. But
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their love. Yeah. There's so much to unpack and
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I just can't with this man. This is this future
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jelly thing that came out of UFO in conjunction
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with Rendlesham Forest incident. You wouldn't
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be misremembering, as Taylor brought up, if you
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recall that this was never ever mentioned since
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the incident happened in 1980. Like, he literally
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just fucking added time travelers into the story.
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Like, why? Like, he never cites anything. He
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actually never cites anything. You know what?
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This man is putting out so much BS. I was trying
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to find the clip we just looked at, so I was
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on Stephen Greer's YouTube page, and guess whose
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fucking stupid face I see on a video he posted?
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Richard fucking Doty. Did we know this? Did we
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know that he works with Richard Doty? I think
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we did. I can't remember, though. Doty just always
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pops up. He's been in his documentaries. He just
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always pops up. He was in his documentary. He
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was, yes. Oh, and that was in the Joe Rogan interview
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where Rogan's like, that guy's full of shit.
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Oh, yeah. Quote, in July 2016, Dr. Greer met
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with Richard Doty, a former agent of the Air
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Force Office of Special Investigations, AFOSI,
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to discuss UFO crash recoveries and experimental
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US prototypes developed through reverse engineering.
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Okay, okay, okay. And just listen to this clip
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here. And you can hear Greer in the background
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at the start, essentially trying to get him to
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say what Doty says in this clip. He's leading
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him. Be prepared to be enraged. Here's the next
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clip we're going to watch. I believe you can
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get Richard Doty to say anything you want for
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20 bucks or something like that. Or just you
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can come on my podcast. Should we have Richard
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Doty on? We should see if we can get Richard
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Doty on. I don't think AFOSI pays that much.
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Okay, I'm just curious. Actually, to be fair,
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I think that pension is pretty dried up at this
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point. No, I think. Nobody has it right. One
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of the things that is quite disgusting for the
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people who have ever been briefed in this program
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is there's not much out there that's actual factual.
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Meaning you can make anything up, Dodie. They
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provide, people go out there and write books,
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and without any facts, 90 % of everybody that
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writes these books, These authors had never been
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in the military, never worked for an intelligence
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community, never had a security clearance, and
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they're just relying on second, third, and fourth
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-hand information to write a book. And then basically
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poison their readers and the rest of the UFO
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community. And so the July craft actually crashed
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in the end of June. The recovery project was
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into Joel. Okay. Get out of here, Richard Doty.
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No, I just love like at this point, if you are
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interviewing Richard Doty and believing or using
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him for anything, like it's very clear that you
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have a motive. Like that's the only reason you
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would interview Richard Doty at this point. You
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know what? most messed up part about Richard
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Doty is is that he's had a hand in the death
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of somebody he's also effectively killed lots
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of people's careers in the well Bill Moore and
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yet here he is thriving yeah just thriving thriving
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in the cesspool I gotta you know what I don't
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blame the guy no at this point it is not his
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fault no no good on Richard Doty like I think
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it's everybody else who pisses me off like come
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on guys so I know that clip was out of context
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but the context is Doty is talking about he was
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in contact with aliens he knows because he was
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the one in the government And everybody else
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is just pretending they were. Yeah. Nobody else
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was in the government. He was the one with the
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clearance. He is government. You gotta believe
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him. Government only him. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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Everyone else is just making shit up. They don't
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know. So that was a total aside. That was just
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something I came across on this channel. Well,
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this whole episode is an aside, I think. Isn't
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this fun? I love this. I just love how interconnected
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and incestuous this whole... community is I know
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I fucking hate it so back to Alex Jones he also
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talks about missing scientists Amy Eskridge Greer
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loves to talk about it too people and I didn't
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actually bring it up I don't want to talk about
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missing scientists anymore people have been killed
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for less did you know that Taylor less being
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all of the information that Greer has Frankenstein
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together so he's next hopefully In my opinion.
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Yeah. I mean, if he's framing himself this way,
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and even David Wilcock has now made the list.
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I hate this bullshit. Okay. Okay, okay. So Stephen
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Greer's been a busy guy, you know. So next up,
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Stephen Greer claims living ETs are being held
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underground and human -made UFOs are being used
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to frame aliens. That's basically as it sounds.
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Do I have a clip here? Yeah, I do. Okay, let's
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listen to the clip first. Fake ETs that have
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been used in psychological warfare operations
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such as abductions and mutilations. Oh, this
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isn't his channel, so he has to look how they
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present it. We brought to the attention of law
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enforcement. There's a huge program using man
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-made UFOs, triangular ones, octagonal ones,
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others. And human trafficking and child trafficking.
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So they're using rather gruesome criminal enterprises.
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And this is known by extremely senior people
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in the administration and in law enforcement.
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That's all I'm going to say. So, you know, I
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think part of the problem. You can't say that's
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all I'm going to say and keep talking. And actually,
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both congressmen. You've got to stop at that
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point. They've been at meetings and learned things
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that would. tilt the world upside down and it
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would upset her i said yeah it would and so one
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of the i make a joke sort of semi -joke about
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what i call disclosure ptsd you drill down on
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this and you start pulling the curtain back and
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you begin to see what horrific things the you
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know people of the mindset of dr mingala with
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adolf hitler are doing but with much better much
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more advanced technologies and so this gets into
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a real problem how much do you tell the public
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how much do you hide you consider that a joke
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career cover up these mistakes unfortunately
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there's a big push around the president from
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disclosing the man -made technologies we have
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which he now knows we have all right who's he
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because those can be used no clandestine operations
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and be classified. The guy he's joking with clearly
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Chelsea. If you have used these technologies
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for decades in criminal operations against innocent
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civilians, both in the United States and abroad,
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you have forfeited the ability to keep that secret.
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You have given up that right. So the public needs
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to know the truth about this. Now, are they given
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the schematics of how the things run? No. You
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and I can't go down to Ace Hardware Store or
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Home Depot and buy a nuclear bomb or a nuclear
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trigger or a component. But the existence of
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that fleet of human craft that had been reverse
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engineered and had been used in false flag and
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psychological warfare operations, that absolutely
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has to come out. Otherwise, the public is going
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to be left with the impression, false impression.
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that the ETs have been doing all these horrible
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things when really it's like the Wizard of Oz
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behind the curtain pulling all the levers and
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scaring the crap out of Dorothy and the Scarecrow.
25:24
I have never heard so many words after somebody
25:31
drops the words and that's all I can say on that.
25:34
Yeah. We've all listened to him talk. He can't
25:39
stop. So, he's talking about how multiple governments
25:45
have recovered alien bodies and they keep them.
25:48
When asked how these governments keep them alive,
25:52
like, what do they eat? Any guesses what he says?
25:56
Something terrifying, but loving in the same
25:58
way. Okay, that's not, no. Screams. Is it screams?
26:04
He doesn't know. He has no fucking clue. Okay.
26:07
They figure it out and it's not something he
26:10
has information on. Something that basic. He
26:13
says it's not something he has information on
26:16
that is credible, he says. Oh, okay. Everything
26:20
else? He has the information on it, but this,
26:23
no, not credible. They don't, he doesn't know
26:26
how they eat, but he says it was so much like
26:28
goose dung, you know? Doty knew about how they
26:31
poop in like their little kitty letters. No,
26:36
no, but yes, no, those were the Serpo beings,
26:42
which Richard Doty technically does not have
26:46
anything to do with. But does. Because it was
26:49
Richard Doty. He's not come right out and said,
26:54
I, Richard Doty, was in the government and know
26:57
that the aliens... He is the government. I am
26:59
government man. So anyway, I just love when he's
27:05
questioned about stuff. He just, he doesn't have
27:08
any credible information on it. But the other
27:10
information is totally credible. You gotta think
27:13
that he thinks that makes him sound more credible,
27:15
too. Like, that I'm so openly admitting that
27:18
I don't have this information? I don't think
27:22
that it's just him. I think that he says it with
27:25
so much confidence that him saying he doesn't
27:28
have credible information on it makes people
27:31
who like this stuff think it's more credible
27:34
because he's... Yeah, which is really just him
27:37
like, I don't know, I didn't think about it yet.
27:38
Yeah, exactly. You know, Richard Doty would have
27:41
had a better answer. Oh, you would have had a
27:44
great answer. Am I realizing that I love Richard
27:48
Doty? He looks over in the corner. Bits of string.
27:52
This episode makes me realize that I think I
27:55
love Richard Doty more than Steven Groot. It's
27:58
come full circle. Everything's always coming
28:01
full circle. Okay. So the credible information
28:04
that he does have says that we've down... Thousands
28:09
of UFOs over the decades. And the genetics of
28:13
living and dead ETs have been used to create
28:15
knockoff fake ETs. We have downed thousands of
28:19
UFOs. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And. We have lots of body
28:25
that we don't know how we feed. So we create
28:29
these fake ETs used in psychological warfare
28:33
operations, such as abductions and mutilations
28:37
and other nonsense. So that's what he's talking
28:40
about in this clip. So I'm sick of looking at
28:44
him and talking about him right now, as I'm sure
28:47
you all are. So I think we're gonna, I think
28:50
we're gonna do it. I think we're gonna do a part
28:52
two of Steven Krier. you guys i hate myself and
28:56
that's where we're gonna end it you have to come
28:58
back yeah it is required guys you can't just
29:01
listen to my cole's notes that i said for the
29:03
first part you gotta come back for another episode
29:05
any thoughts at this point that was a lot i'm
29:09
excited to see where we go with this just because
29:11
i think i've i'm kind of hoping richard doughty
29:14
comes back because like he he's kind of the hero
29:17
he is what he is and you just get it You know
29:22
what? He's never claimed to be something he's
29:25
not. And I can't blame him for that. I'm coming...
29:31
Oh, man, Richard Doty. I hate Stephen Greer.
29:35
I just hate him. I kind of just, like... I picture
29:38
him very timidly saying, like, hey, can we, like,
29:40
skip over the stuff where I, like, lie a lot
29:43
in this interview? And they're all like, okay,
29:45
buddy. Oh, I just love... one clip that I played
29:50
that he's like, I was in the government. These
29:53
other guys are just making shit up. Or it's I
29:58
make shit up from the government job. Oh my god.
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