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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on dan board, and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The and the Memories, Bring Back Memories,
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Speaker 1: Bring Back You. Addition, as we celebrate Ken Riley's long
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Speaker 1: overdue selection to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and
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Speaker 1: paid tribute to A. J. Greene, who announced his retirement
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Speaker 1: on Monday. Plus, we'll head to Arizona and check in
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Speaker 1: slow amusement park ride. Now let's get to football. Twenty
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Speaker 1: five years after Anthony Munios became the first and still
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Speaker 1: only Bengals player to be inducted into the Pro Football
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, he finally has company, as Ken Riley
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Speaker 1: will be enshrined in August. That was made official on
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Speaker 1: Thursday when this year's Hall of Fame class was announced
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Speaker 1: at the NFL Honors ceremony. Riley was one of three
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Speaker 1: players chosen in the Senior category, along with Chuck Howley
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Speaker 1: and Joe Cleco. Willie Anderson was a finalist in the
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Speaker 1: Modern Era category, but we'll have to wait for at
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Speaker 1: least another year. Ken Riley spent fifteen seasons in a
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Speaker 1: Bengals uniform, and his sixty five career interceptions is tied
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Speaker 1: for fifth most in NFL history, a remarkable accomplishment considering
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Speaker 1: that he didn't even play defense at Florida A and M.
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Speaker 1: Here are Mike Brown and Bob Trumpy on now Hall
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Speaker 1: of Famer Ken Riley. Kenny came here as quarterback and
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Speaker 1: we had Greg Cook. This was before greed Good injured.
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Speaker 1: Training camp and the quarterbacks would stand and pretty much
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Speaker 1: watched Greg, and it was obvious who was going to
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Speaker 1: be the quarterback. Greg was the best player we ever had,
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Speaker 1: and Kenny was standing there when my dad came over
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Speaker 1: about the third day he had been in camp and
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Speaker 1: said to Kenny, you go over there. And that was
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Speaker 1: the extent of the conversation. Over there was with the
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Speaker 1: defensive backs, and Kenny went and proceeded to play for US.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many years, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever
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Speaker 1: it was, it was forever. He was a player with
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Speaker 1: great composure. He could play the ball in the air,
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Speaker 1: all his poise, knew what was going on, was in
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Speaker 1: position as he should be on every play, and even
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Speaker 1: though he was somewhat slight and billed, he was a
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Speaker 1: firest tackler, one player maneuver he had that was his alone.
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Speaker 1: I've seen other guys do it, but not not do
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Speaker 1: it as a regular routine, or they would do just
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Speaker 1: on occasions when it happened without thinking, can you do
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Speaker 1: it purposefully? He would come up on these guys who
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Speaker 1: caught the ball in front of him, and as they
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Speaker 1: were catching the ball looking back towards the line of scrimmage,
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Speaker 1: he'd come from behind and hit him right under the
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Speaker 1: rump and they would go for a cart wheel in
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Speaker 1: the air, literally, and not all of them kept the ball.
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Speaker 1: When that went on, he would dislodge the ball from them.
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Speaker 1: But it was a maneuver that was routine for him,
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Speaker 1: and I've often wondered why others didn't pick it up
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Speaker 1: and do it as just a regular way of play.
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Speaker 1: It didn't seem to hurt anybody. They went for a ride,
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Speaker 1: but they all came down in a heap and got
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Speaker 1: right back up. It wasn't injurious. It was just enough
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Speaker 1: of a blow that it cut their attention, and it
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Speaker 1: would catch your attention if you saw it as well.
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Speaker 1: So Kenny had the ability to be rough and tough
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Speaker 1: as well as smart, and he's so deserving, wonderful teammate,
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Speaker 1: appreciative of your effort. I never heard him say a
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Speaker 1: bad word about anybody, always laughing. In fact, Dan, when
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Speaker 1: I first found out that Ken Riley had been a
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Speaker 1: quarterback in college, I was astonished because he was so quiet.
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Speaker 1: He was a hard guy to get to know, not
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Speaker 1: because of any personality flaw. He was a hard guy
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Speaker 1: to get to know because he was so studious about
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Speaker 1: what he was doing and so serious about it. And
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Speaker 1: the thing that I remembered most about him, and we
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Speaker 1: had two practices a day, an hour and fifteen minutes each,
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Speaker 1: seven days a week for two months in preparation for
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Speaker 1: the season, and other than getting his ankles taped, I
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Speaker 1: never saw Ken Riley in the training room. So then
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Speaker 1: we sat down to tables for breakfast, lunch, and dinner
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Speaker 1: with anybody and everybody. We didn't care what color they
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Speaker 1: were or where they lived. And every time I sat
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Speaker 1: down with Ken Riley, You're not going to believe this,
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Speaker 1: but I kind of dominated the conversation. Maybe I didn't
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Speaker 1: give Ken Riley a chance, but I was friendly with
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Speaker 1: all of them. But every time somebody started, I'm on
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Speaker 1: the sideline with the offense the defenses out there. There
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Speaker 1: seemed a period of time where every time there was
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Speaker 1: a big cheer from the stands at Rubert Front Stadium,
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Speaker 1: it was something that Ken Riley had done. He'd either
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Speaker 1: lowball the Lance Alworth or a notice Taylor the Kansas
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Speaker 1: City Chiefs, pupped them over, or had an interception. But again, personally,
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Speaker 1: he was just great to be around. The wonderful guy,
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Speaker 1: and there was so much about him. I didn't know
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Speaker 1: about him until later on in our careers, and then
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Speaker 1: after he retired. I wish I'd have known it more.
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Speaker 1: I should have shut up and listened to him. Later
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Speaker 1: on the podcast, I'll visit with Bengals dot Com editor
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Speaker 1: Jeff Hobson, who is a Hall of Fame voter. We'll
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Speaker 1: discuss Ken Riley getting in, how things look for Willie
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Speaker 1: Anderson and Ken Anderson going forward, and the latest Bengals topics,
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Speaker 1: including a possible contract extension for Joe Burrow. The Bengals
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Speaker 1: paycorps dot Com. AJ Green announced his retirement this week
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Speaker 1: after twelve years in the NFL that includes the two
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Speaker 1: nineteen season that he missed due to injury. AJ ranked
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Speaker 1: second in team history behind Chad Johnson in receptions, receiving yards,
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Speaker 1: and touchdown catches. Oddly enough, Ken Riley had sixty five
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Speaker 1: interceptions and AJ Green had sixty five touchdown grabs in
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Speaker 1: a Bengals uniform, beginning with a fourth quarter game winner
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Speaker 1: in his NFL debut from Bruce Gradkowski. A good trivia
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Speaker 1: question to beat the Cleveland Browns. For whatever reason, I
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Speaker 1: don't have the radio call of that first touchdown pass
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Speaker 1: in my archives, but I have most of the other ones.
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Speaker 1: So let's listen back to about three minutes worth of
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Speaker 1: AJ in action now and I formation backfield on first
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Speaker 1: and ten, play action fake with out of the right,
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Speaker 1: got ball for a wide open catches at the eighteen.
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Speaker 1: It's a touchdown for Adriel Jeremiah Green, his eighth consecutive
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Speaker 1: game with a touchdown catch on a beautiful fifty seven
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Speaker 1: yard bomb from the red rifle to play action fake.
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Speaker 1: Dalton sets up to throw, he rangs it deep for
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Speaker 1: a wide up in ah a Green catches its time.
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Speaker 1: Look at him go at the twenty ten the five
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Speaker 1: touchdown Bengals eighty one yards to eighteen. Adriel Jeremiah Green
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Speaker 1: boy out to the right, here's a past. AJ wriggles
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Speaker 1: out of an ankle tackle and runs into the end
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Speaker 1: zone for a Bengals touchdown. Great yak yards after catch
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Speaker 1: produces a touchdown for Adriel Jeremiah Green. Dalton takes a
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Speaker 1: shotgun snap against the five man rush. He's gonna fire
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Speaker 1: a teach. AJ Green is hoping he bobbles it. He's
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Speaker 1: got it half the funny, great God, he's still running
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Speaker 1: ten five touchdown Adriel Jeremiah Green seventy seven yards. The
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Speaker 1: former juggler as a kid made a juggling catch and
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Speaker 1: took it to the house to give the Bengals a
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Speaker 1: twenty one to sixteen lead. On first and ten, Dalton
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Speaker 1: fakes to mix and tis a high Indeed. J Green
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Speaker 1: catches half the Buffalo forty s pretty curveen on the
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Speaker 1: field of Club of Gene five touchdown by seventy seven yards.
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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton finding a J Green, who roasted the rookie
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Speaker 1: cornerback R. Davis White Boy goes in motion Dalton back
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Speaker 1: to throw, steps up, keeps it long. AJ Green is
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Speaker 1: won agmen, He's gonna touched down Bengals as Andy Dalton
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Speaker 1: floated a high rainbow fifty four yards down field, a
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Speaker 1: touch down to AJ Green. No rivas island there. It
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Speaker 1: is third and seven at the Pittsburgh twenty five. McCarron
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Speaker 1: five yards behind the line, takes a shotgun snap. It's
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Speaker 1: a four man rush. AJ gunfield free. J Green catching
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Speaker 1: there and goes into the end zone. Touchdown Bengals, a
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Speaker 1: twenty five yard touchdown, and the Bengals have a one
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Speaker 1: point lead. Dalton back to throw. We're down to five
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Speaker 1: seconds left and a half. He's gonna throw a high,
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Speaker 1: deep hail Mary pass into the end JJ and it
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Speaker 1: is Baba Yea makes the catch. I'm the ricochet hail Mary,
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Speaker 1: a forty nine yard touchdown pass as a prairie is
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Speaker 1: answered in the end zone by Adriel Jeremiah Green. Over
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Speaker 1: the years, the Bengals have probably had more great players
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Speaker 1: at wide receiver than any other position. Isaac Curtis, Chris
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Speaker 1: colin Worth, Carl Pickens, Chad Johnson, t J. Hushman, Zada,
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Speaker 1: AJ Green, and the current trio of Boyd, Higgins and
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Speaker 1: Chase Here's Mike Brown on AJ Green. If I had
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Speaker 1: a starting all time Bengals team, he'd be on him.
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Speaker 1: He brings a different package. He's fast, but not as
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Speaker 1: fast as Easy. He's quick, but not as quick as Chad.
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Speaker 1: He has a tremendous catching radius and a very competitive spirit.
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Speaker 1: You feel really secure with him on one side. They
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Speaker 1: have to overplay him. They know if they don't, they're
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Speaker 1: in trouble. And yes, you're right when you say we've
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Speaker 1: had a number of top white outs over the years.
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Speaker 1: I think probably that is a position where we've had
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Speaker 1: more than our share of great players. The Bengals Booth
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Speaker 1: announced his retirement, I asked on Twitter if there were
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Speaker 1: in this podcast. I got a response from at Governor
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Speaker 1: Chief asking if I ever did a fun fact segment
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Speaker 1: with Aj. The answer is yes. Green's rookie year was
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Speaker 1: my rookie year. As the Bengals Radio Voice, and that
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Speaker 1: Anybody in your life that ushes your real name sometime?
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Speaker 1: My parents about it. Nobody else did. They used to
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Speaker 1: drop it on you when you got in trouble. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: my mom did. All right, your South Carolina kid, tell
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Speaker 1: us a little bit about where you're from. I'm from
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Speaker 1: this little country place called Vigil, South Carolina. No nothing
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Speaker 1: out there. This is a country area. And you just
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Speaker 1: went to Serville High School and that's what I played football.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of Summerville High School, your high school football coach
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Speaker 1: is the winningest high school football coach, John McKissick. Still
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Speaker 1: going strong at eighty five, Is that right? Yeah? Eighty
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Speaker 1: five is unbelievable. But he's still active. He's still coaches,
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Speaker 1: So this is unbelievable. What was he like? Uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: he was really outgoing, always talking, you know, trying to coach.
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Speaker 1: You know, he got rained over a couple of times
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Speaker 1: on the sideline. So I don't know how he's still coaching,
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Speaker 1: but he's a great guy. I read somewhere that he's
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Speaker 1: retired one number in his fifty nine years or sixty
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Speaker 1: years of high school coaching. It's yours. That must mean
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Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, definitely, man, it's coming from him. You know,
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Speaker 1: he seems a lot of great that that came through
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Speaker 1: that program. And you know, I would just honor so
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Speaker 1: tenth grade high school, he verbally commit to Georgia. What
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Speaker 1: was it about the Bulldogs that enthralled yourself? It was
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Speaker 1: just coach Raking, you know, just preaching to be a
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Speaker 1: better man after the life for football, and I felt
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Speaker 1: I could go anywhere and play and uh but just
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Speaker 1: give me that that that that like growing up and
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Speaker 1: being a man and being on my own, and I
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Speaker 1: felt like coach was the best man for that. So
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Speaker 1: after you did that, a bunch of big time coaches
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Speaker 1: from other schools kept coming around trying to get you
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Speaker 1: to change your mind. Right, Yeah, definitely, But you know
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Speaker 1: I stayed firm, and uh, you know I held it through.
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Speaker 1: Who is your childhood hero? Um? You know my g
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Speaker 1: got to be my parents, you know, just they always
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Speaker 1: pushed high work and uh, you know, always said nothing
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Speaker 1: as easy, Always have to work for, gotta be my parents,
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Speaker 1: did you have an athletic hero, somebody who's poster was
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Speaker 1: on your bedroom wall? Anything like that? Part of Michael Jordan,
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Speaker 1: you know, because he always strives to stuff to be great.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to do. All right. So
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Speaker 1: you're the number four we're picking this year's draft. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: whoever that is is well compensated. What what's your splurge?
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Speaker 1: What do you spend money on? Um? You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: just not really a big spender, but a little clothing shoes,
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Speaker 1: that's my passion, even though I don't even get dressed
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Speaker 1: dressed that much, but uh, you know, just just knowledge
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Speaker 1: that I note that I have them is always good.
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Speaker 1: So a close horse. Yeah, clothing shoes, all right. I
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Speaker 1: read it somewhere that you were on a juggling team
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Speaker 1: as a kid. Yeah. What do they do in the
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Speaker 1: juggling team? You know, you just juggle a different item
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Speaker 1: like balls, scars, all kind of stuff like that. And
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Speaker 1: we used to perform at halftimes a basketball game, so
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Speaker 1: kind of fun. How many things could you get in
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Speaker 1: the air? Four four? And then then after sixth grade,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's not cool no more, so I
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Speaker 1: just quick AJ's it like riding a bike? Could you
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Speaker 1: still juggle if we had four objects here right now?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. Uh Gatoray did like a little special
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Speaker 1: on me with a little juggling stuff, so I still
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Speaker 1: got it this radio, so I'm not going to ask
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Speaker 1: you too, So you're off the hook for now. Anyway.
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Speaker 1: Have you had any other jobs other than professional athlete? Oh? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I had one job at the store, like department store
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Speaker 1: like Stephen Bears and I used to work as xpies,
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Speaker 1: but my coach made me quit of both, I mean
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Speaker 1: both jobs because he said I have my whole life
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Speaker 1: to work, so you know, I just focused on athletics. Well,
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Speaker 1: they sold shoes there, so you were able to indulge
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Speaker 1: your habit probably for for liking shoes, right, yeah, a
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Speaker 1: little bit for like two weeks. All right, what NFL
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Speaker 1: star do you look forward to meeting? That'd be probably
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Speaker 1: this scene pay Manny. You know, you know, just watching
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Speaker 1: the whole my whole life growing up, and you know,
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Speaker 1: just now I'm here like playing on the same field,
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Speaker 1: well not playing on the same field but in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: but up Pay many when you have Matt big time
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Speaker 1: people over the last year or two, are you a
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Speaker 1: little bit awestruck? Are you over that? No? I think
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Speaker 1: I'm over that now, So all right, fair enough. When
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Speaker 1: you're not at work, what do you enjoy doing? Probably
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Speaker 1: to sleeping and playing video games? How late the sleep
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Speaker 1: when you can? I mean, if you've got the freedom
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Speaker 1: to sleep, how late will you go? Two o'clock, three o'clock?
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Speaker 1: You know no longer an option in the NFL. Exactly
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Speaker 1: that you're lacking means and need to get your wrist
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Speaker 1: when camp. All right, You're off the hot seat. Thanks,
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Speaker 1: thank you. As I told Aj in a text this week,
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Speaker 1: it was truly a privilege to broadcast his games for
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Speaker 1: nine seasons, and I look forward to the day when
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Speaker 1: he enters the Bengals Ring of Honor. The Bengals Booth
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Speaker 1: conversation with Bengals dot Com editor and Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1: voter Jeff Butch Hobson, Jeff. It is a night for
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Speaker 1: the Bengals organization in Bengals fans to rejoices. Ken Riley
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Speaker 1: is officially going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1: in August. You are one of forty nine people on
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Speaker 1: the selection committee. What ultimately got the rattler over the hump?
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Speaker 1: I think when they expanded the committee, when they expanded
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Speaker 1: the uh senior nominations from one to three, only one
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Speaker 1: senior was able to get in a year. It was
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Speaker 1: just too tight of a call. I mean, they tell
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Speaker 1: you about those uh those meetings where you know, you
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Speaker 1: got to come out with one senior and there would
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Speaker 1: be fifteen. There'll be a list of fifteen guys. And
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Speaker 1: Ron Borge's the great Ron Borgers of a long time
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Speaker 1: pro football writer. Would you know, he'd tell you they
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Speaker 1: when we when we left the room, that were Hall
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Speaker 1: of famers strewn about the floor and U so opening
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Speaker 1: it up. And also I think there's been a great
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Speaker 1: effort on the ground to help get him in. To
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Speaker 1: be aware, to be aware of those sixty five interceptions.
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Speaker 1: You know can point to Fingle, Jim Jim Foster, you know,
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Speaker 1: with his trips to Canton and you can look at
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Speaker 1: just at the sixty five interceptions himself that that I
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Speaker 1: think that that held up over time. I mean that
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Speaker 1: it's amazing how how great that number is when you
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Speaker 1: consider that since Kenny retired in nineteen eighty three, only
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Speaker 1: one player that came into the league after that had
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Speaker 1: had more than him. It was Rod Woods. And that
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Speaker 1: I think ultimately expanding the committee, the you know, expanding
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Speaker 1: and changing and revamping the senior guidelines and the efforts
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Speaker 1: of Bengals fans and the sixty five picks didn't. So
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Speaker 1: that process you're talking about for selecting senior candidates guys
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Speaker 1: whose careers ended at least twenty five years ago, that
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Speaker 1: changed last year. What does that mean for Ken Anderson
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Speaker 1: moving forward? To be thinking, well, I think it's there
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Speaker 1: were two things that came out of the first. You know,
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Speaker 1: its stunning that he didn't, you know, go as far
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Speaker 1: as he did, I thought. But I do think that
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Speaker 1: that just like for Kenny Riley, I do think that
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Speaker 1: opens it up for Kenny Anderson. But when I don't know,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it always kind of they always
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Speaker 1: kind of hurt each other's candidacy a little bit because
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Speaker 1: they're both Bengals and both played in the same era.
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Speaker 1: I don't don't and I don't think that helped either one.
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Speaker 1: And uh, but hopefully with the expanded you know, with
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Speaker 1: the expanded seniors list, you gotta believe that Kenny Kenny
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Speaker 1: Anderson gets in sooner rather than later. We're visiting with
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Speaker 1: Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson. Willie Anderson has
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Speaker 1: been a finalist in the Modern Era category in each
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Speaker 1: the last two years. Unfortunately, Big Willie did not get
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Speaker 1: the nod this year. For those who don't support him,
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Speaker 1: do they say, why no, you know, it's it's it's
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Speaker 1: a great question. That's a great way to approach it.
21:43
Speaker 1: And because nobody ever tells you, nobody ever tells you that,
21:48
Speaker 1: but you can only you only have to kind of say,
21:51
Speaker 1: you know, well, he played on he played on Bengals
21:55
Speaker 1: teams that weren't very good, and he played right tackle.
21:57
Speaker 1: But that just doesn't hold water anymore because, first of all, people,
22:02
Speaker 1: you know, he certainly won more games than Joe Thomas.
22:05
Speaker 1: You know, he was on more contenders than Joe Thomas,
22:08
Speaker 1: and he blocked and he blocked, and he can't say, well,
22:12
Speaker 1: he was a right tackle, but he blocked as many
22:14
Speaker 1: great players as Joe Thomas did. So those arguments really
22:17
Speaker 1: don't wash when you put in guys like a guy
22:20
Speaker 1: like Joe Thomas. So I think, I think fine, I think,
22:23
Speaker 1: you know, he's a he's certainly a Hall of he
22:25
Speaker 1: saw a certainly Hall of Fame worthy. But I don't
22:28
Speaker 1: think he's you know, he's certainly, Uh, Willie is just
22:32
Speaker 1: as accomplished, if not more than he is. But why
22:37
Speaker 1: does a guy like that get in quicker than Willie does?
22:40
Speaker 1: And we could probably do a dissertation on this at
22:44
Speaker 1: a new house schoolhoarding we ever back for an alumni weekend.
22:49
Speaker 1: Although behind like yellow at us, we may be too
22:51
Speaker 1: old to be yelled at. He likes the yell at
22:53
Speaker 1: yearn you guys. But uh, I think will he's another
22:56
Speaker 1: guy who's going to get in. And it's but I
22:59
Speaker 1: don't know when, you know, will he be like Vasselli?
23:02
Speaker 1: Where you know Tony Vasselli was on the ballots in
23:05
Speaker 1: the final six times before he made it. I certainly
23:08
Speaker 1: hope it's not that it doesn't take that long. But
23:12
Speaker 1: the key is to get him in the room, keep
23:14
Speaker 1: getting him in the room for those finals. Where his
23:16
Speaker 1: case is presented and discussed, and like you, at some point,
23:20
Speaker 1: you know the voters are going to look at each
23:21
Speaker 1: other and say, you know, yeah, there's there's no reason,
23:24
Speaker 1: you know, there's I know there are no really marks
23:29
Speaker 1: on the no category. Let's talk about a guy who's
23:33
Speaker 1: not in the room. Corey Dillon. He's twentieth in NFL
23:37
Speaker 1: history and career rushing yards. He ranks ahead of many
23:40
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame running backs, including O. J. Simpson or o'campbell,
23:44
Speaker 1: Terrell Davis, etc. He has two of the top seventeen
23:48
Speaker 1: single game performances in NFL history. He was the leading
23:52
Speaker 1: rusher on a Super Bowl champion in New England. There
23:55
Speaker 1: seems to be very little Hall of Fame buzz. Why
24:01
Speaker 1: I you know, it's uh could be my fault, just
24:04
Speaker 1: trying to get one guy in take so much air
24:06
Speaker 1: out of the room. But you know, you know, I
24:09
Speaker 1: always stay Corey's case, and I think Paul Dayer Junior
24:14
Speaker 1: has done a nice job stayed in, stayed in Corey's case,
24:18
Speaker 1: and the guys who have gone in, I know you
24:20
Speaker 1: know the names you hear Fred Taylor will put up
24:23
Speaker 1: Corey's career against Fred Taylor it's it's it's keep arguing.
24:26
Speaker 1: In many ways it's better because he's got a ring
24:29
Speaker 1: and he had a better you know, he had a
24:31
Speaker 1: better you know, his season in New England was I
24:33
Speaker 1: think better than anything that Fred did. But you know
24:37
Speaker 1: that that that case that I think the position too.
24:39
Speaker 1: It's hard to it's it's it's a I mean, in
24:43
Speaker 1: this day and age, you've got to be unbelievable in
24:45
Speaker 1: there with all the I mean there's a there's a
24:47
Speaker 1: look at the backlog of receivers. Not one receiver made
24:50
Speaker 1: it into the hall this year. Uh, you know you've
24:52
Speaker 1: got a backup of three guys that have worthy cases.
24:56
Speaker 1: But you know those are the guys that get the
24:58
Speaker 1: ink and a running back from the turn of the century.
25:02
Speaker 1: How to get traction And I'm not sure, I'm not
25:06
Speaker 1: sure how to how that can be, you know, outside
25:11
Speaker 1: of a six million dollars public relations, let's I don't
25:16
Speaker 1: know how to how to get it in the voters
25:18
Speaker 1: minds that Corey Jones certainly should it, certainly should be
25:23
Speaker 1: in the room. Certainly should be And I would say
25:25
Speaker 1: if you look at the backs that have been there recently,
25:28
Speaker 1: he should be in. Can it is not your fault
25:31
Speaker 1: for the record, and I do want to give you
25:33
Speaker 1: some credit because every NFL team has one media member
25:37
Speaker 1: on the committee, so you have helped make the case
25:40
Speaker 1: for Ken Riley, Willie Anderson, Ken Anderson and others. What
25:44
Speaker 1: does Ken Riley's selection mean to you personally? I think
25:50
Speaker 1: I've cried about three times since I found out that
25:53
Speaker 1: he was that he was in, and it's I know
25:57
Speaker 1: what it means to his family, for one thing, And
26:00
Speaker 1: I know and Kenny and I would talk about it
26:01
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, and he was and it meant
26:04
Speaker 1: a lot, and and it meant a lot to him,
26:06
Speaker 1: it didn't, you know, like like his son said, it's
26:08
Speaker 1: not something that he thought about all the time. But
26:10
Speaker 1: when you know, a guy like me would ask him invariably,
26:15
Speaker 1: which I asked him a lot, he would talk about it.
26:18
Speaker 1: He would talk about it, and he would it was
26:21
Speaker 1: on his mind, but it was him on his mind
26:23
Speaker 1: during voting. And so I it means a lot to
26:26
Speaker 1: me because of how much it meant to him and
26:28
Speaker 1: his family. And I just felt happy that I could
26:32
Speaker 1: have a hand in it, that I could write about
26:33
Speaker 1: him because I because ultimately Kenny get in because of
26:36
Speaker 1: his case. You know, I just feel so happy for
26:39
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like his wife does. Who's bitter.
26:42
Speaker 1: It's bitter sweet because he's not here. So it's a
26:45
Speaker 1: if for me. It's a range of emotions from it's
26:47
Speaker 1: it's you cry for a lot of different reasons, and
26:50
Speaker 1: one is that he's in and the other reason is
26:52
Speaker 1: he's not here. It's pretty emotional, but I think I
26:55
Speaker 1: got all my crying out of the way. So when
26:57
Speaker 1: I was able to hit the button to say that
26:59
Speaker 1: he was in, I was in a I was in
27:01
Speaker 1: a good frame of mind. All right, let's change subjects.
27:05
Speaker 1: AJ Green retired this wait. As far as I can tell,
27:08
Speaker 1: you're the only reporter he has talked to so far.
27:11
Speaker 1: Described that conversation just like any other UH talk with
27:16
Speaker 1: as you would call him, Adriel Jeremiah Green. I think
27:20
Speaker 1: I think you called that I pretty close to sixty
27:24
Speaker 1: five times, maybe forty because your first game was his
27:28
Speaker 1: first game, correct, and he was the same, And he
27:31
Speaker 1: was he was the same as as you would expect.
27:34
Speaker 1: He was very matter of fact. He didn't sound relieved
27:39
Speaker 1: or anything like that. You know, sometimes you talk to
27:42
Speaker 1: these guys after they make a decision, and UH, you
27:45
Speaker 1: can tell the loads off. But AJ, that's why he
27:47
Speaker 1: was such a great player and such a great locker
27:49
Speaker 1: room guy. He was just cool and easy. You know,
27:52
Speaker 1: he was going he's going on to that. I don't
27:54
Speaker 1: think it was an easy decision for him. You know,
27:57
Speaker 1: he's a he's a passionate guy. I think that's the
28:00
Speaker 1: his his his personality kind of kind of belize the
28:05
Speaker 1: passion that simmers in him. So but I found him
28:09
Speaker 1: to be as gracious as ever. You know, I uh,
28:12
Speaker 1: if it had me, I would have been grousing about
28:14
Speaker 1: the injuries that cost me three one thousand yard scenes.
28:18
Speaker 1: But he didn't see it like that. He's sorry as
28:20
Speaker 1: he was, he was blessed to do what he did,
28:22
Speaker 1: which I think shows you what kind of human being
28:25
Speaker 1: he is. So I was, you know, he was He's
28:27
Speaker 1: excited about being able to, you know, do do all
28:31
Speaker 1: the things that he hasn't been able to do with
28:32
Speaker 1: his family. And I sounded like he's interested in delving
28:36
Speaker 1: into investments and stuff and I'm sure he'll be successful
28:39
Speaker 1: with that. So it was just like talking to him
28:41
Speaker 1: after a game board. He was like, uh, only was
28:43
Speaker 1: like talking to him after a win, because you know,
28:46
Speaker 1: after a loss, he wouldn't. He could get him right
28:49
Speaker 1: at his locker, but he would still be dressed, and
28:51
Speaker 1: he'd be few, and you know, he'd be kind of
28:54
Speaker 1: he'd be mad, but he but he talked, but he
28:56
Speaker 1: would if it was a loss. He wanted to get
28:58
Speaker 1: it over with in his uniform. But I think I
29:00
Speaker 1: could envision Aj he was. He was, he was out
29:04
Speaker 1: of uniform and enjoying a win. It was great hearing
29:08
Speaker 1: him or reading in your story that he's excited to
29:11
Speaker 1: openly root for the Bengals again, and so is his
29:13
Speaker 1: wife Miranda. Yeah, you know, as you know this is
29:17
Speaker 1: a the Greens aren't the only ones that are taken
29:20
Speaker 1: with this team, you know. And the fact that you
29:22
Speaker 1: know we forget AJ played on that, I mean AJ
29:25
Speaker 1: played with those guys, you know. I mean, I still
29:28
Speaker 1: think and maybe I'm the biggest homer of all time.
29:31
Speaker 1: I'm the last guy in the world that thinks Joseph Osai,
29:34
Speaker 1: I guess was hit, you know, should have been flagged
29:36
Speaker 1: for that play. But I definitely think that AJ Green
29:40
Speaker 1: should not have been called for offensive pass interference and
29:42
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's first start, so that would have been a
29:45
Speaker 1: great that that that would have been a great trivia
29:47
Speaker 1: question because you got to feel like Joe is going
29:50
Speaker 1: to be around for, you know, a long time, and
29:53
Speaker 1: AJ Green is that other era, you know, and so
29:57
Speaker 1: he kind of played into both errors, you know. And
29:59
Speaker 1: I I think he helped those guys, I know, you
30:01
Speaker 1: know Tie Higgins. I went back. I looked at some
30:03
Speaker 1: of the stuff that Tee Higgins said when you know
30:07
Speaker 1: when AJ was there, how much he helped T and uh,
30:10
Speaker 1: you know, and he's still close to Tyler Boyd. So
30:13
Speaker 1: it's he's rooting for guys that he knows, you know.
30:15
Speaker 1: And uh, he got a great relationship with Mike Brown,
30:19
Speaker 1: you know. And I joked with him, I said, you know,
30:23
Speaker 1: probably you probably didn't text Mike probably and he said, now,
30:26
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't. I don't think he looked at
30:28
Speaker 1: his cell phone. I said, well, you can expect the
30:30
Speaker 1: handwritten letter at some point, and he agreed with that.
30:34
Speaker 1: He will be up on that ring of honor someday,
30:37
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. We're visiting with Jeff Hobson,
30:40
Speaker 1: who's in Arizona for Super Bowl Week. Your fellow media
30:44
Speaker 1: members there know that you cover the Bengals. What are
30:47
Speaker 1: they asking you about this week? What do they want
30:49
Speaker 1: to know about this team? Why aren't we there? I mean,
30:52
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many I can't tell you
30:54
Speaker 1: how many people have you know, I always wanted my
30:57
Speaker 1: Bengals garb and uh. So you know, they say, oh,
31:01
Speaker 1: you should have been there. I thought you were going
31:03
Speaker 1: to be here. You got a good team, You'll be back,
31:06
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And that's just passing in the hallway.
31:09
Speaker 1: But when you talk to guys like Jim Miller of
31:13
Speaker 1: Serious Radio, Alex Marveez of serious Radio, Howard ballser who's
31:18
Speaker 1: who's a Hall of Fame voter Um Rappaport. If you
31:21
Speaker 1: get Rappaport off the phone for a little bit, you
31:24
Speaker 1: know they're they're, uh, you know, they know this team,
31:28
Speaker 1: the team is going to be in it, you know.
31:31
Speaker 1: So you know, they all want to know about borrows,
31:33
Speaker 1: you know, contract or something. And I you know, I said,
31:35
Speaker 1: that's that's to me, that's a I was talking to
31:38
Speaker 1: Steve Servey about this. Uh. They got the great writer
31:42
Speaker 1: from the Post who, by the way, once wrote the
31:45
Speaker 1: greatest line in Super Bowl history when the When the
31:48
Speaker 1: Packers got back to the Super Bowl of the nineties,
31:50
Speaker 1: the first word of his of his column was, I
31:53
Speaker 1: am standing in the house Vince Lombardi used to live
31:56
Speaker 1: in Oky. He went today, he went to Vince Lombardi's
31:59
Speaker 1: old house. So Servey's back for another Super Bowl and
32:01
Speaker 1: he was talking about borrowing the boys and about that
32:04
Speaker 1: went over the Jets and back in September, and he
32:07
Speaker 1: was talk you know, asking about the contract and how
32:11
Speaker 1: are they going to keep these guys? That's another topic
32:13
Speaker 1: two is how how are they going to keep all
32:15
Speaker 1: these guys even asked have they even asked even as
32:18
Speaker 1: to match Chase. But I said to Servey, I said,
32:21
Speaker 1: you know this, I said, Mike Brown made Boomera scias
32:23
Speaker 1: In the highest paid guy in the league twice. He
32:26
Speaker 1: made Constin Palm of the highest paid guy in the
32:28
Speaker 1: league once. So you know this is he's He's even
32:33
Speaker 1: down this road a few times. So I do think
32:36
Speaker 1: that there's a little bit of a misconception out there
32:38
Speaker 1: nationally at least and maybe even somewhat locally, that this
32:41
Speaker 1: is something that has to happen. Now. Yeah, the truth
32:45
Speaker 1: is Joe's under contract really for two more years, assuming
32:48
Speaker 1: that the Bengals would pick up a fifth year option
32:51
Speaker 1: if they had two and obviously they would, but this
32:53
Speaker 1: is the first year that they can extend the deal
32:57
Speaker 1: and there's some salary cap benefits long term if they do.
33:01
Speaker 1: What's your gout to tell you? You think it gets
33:03
Speaker 1: done this offseason? Well, that's that's their history, you know,
33:08
Speaker 1: I can only look at the history. Uh what they
33:11
Speaker 1: did Dalton in I think the camp of twenty fourteen, right,
33:16
Speaker 1: which was when they had the first I think they
33:18
Speaker 1: had the first chance to do it, right, that was
33:19
Speaker 1: after his first three seasons. Uh, they did Boom, you know,
33:23
Speaker 1: they did they would do back in the day, they
33:25
Speaker 1: would do Boomer quietly, but they did Carson. Remember they
33:28
Speaker 1: did Carson. He hadn't even finished his first season yet
33:32
Speaker 1: and they did it. So he finished his third season.
33:36
Speaker 1: Well it was yeah, you correct, that's Curry. You are right, sir, Right,
33:38
Speaker 1: that's right, thank you. Yeah, history would tell you that
33:41
Speaker 1: they do it sooner rather than later. I would imagine
33:44
Speaker 1: this is the same case now because he's gonna he's
33:47
Speaker 1: gonna set the structure, he's gonna set what you do
33:50
Speaker 1: with other guys, and you know he's gonna he's not
33:52
Speaker 1: want to go out, He's not gonna want to go
33:54
Speaker 1: out there and play with the Lerman twins. Although they
33:57
Speaker 1: had a great they had a great run together an Ath,
34:00
Speaker 1: but you know he's going to have other guys with him,
34:02
Speaker 1: so you know it's, uh, you gotta get t figured out.
34:05
Speaker 1: You gotta get Logan Wilson figured out. They're both they're
34:07
Speaker 1: also both viligible to be talked to. And then of
34:10
Speaker 1: course in the distance you have Jamar and you know, defensively,
34:14
Speaker 1: certainly von Bell and Jesse bates her up and you know,
34:18
Speaker 1: so you know, you would think, if you if he's
34:21
Speaker 1: going to set the salary structure, you'd probably like to
34:23
Speaker 1: get that. Not as soon as possible, but I'm sure
34:26
Speaker 1: they could still do business while they're talking to him,
34:29
Speaker 1: but history would tell you sooner rather than later. You
34:33
Speaker 1: referenced Jamar Chase being out there in Arizona, and he
34:36
Speaker 1: was on the NFL network on Wednesday and when asked
34:39
Speaker 1: about Burrows contract. Here's what Jamar said, Joe wants to
34:42
Speaker 1: set up his contract to keep some of his weapons
34:45
Speaker 1: around him. That's the quote. It sounds to me like
34:49
Speaker 1: they've talked about it. You would think, knowing their friendship
34:52
Speaker 1: and their history that they have, how significant do you
34:57
Speaker 1: think that comment was from Jamar. You know, I know,
35:00
Speaker 1: I it's like you said, you can only go by
35:02
Speaker 1: how close they are. It's also not surprising, you know,
35:05
Speaker 1: I think knowing noing Joe, I think he's a pretty calculator.
35:09
Speaker 1: You know, he's a pretty uh I don't want to
35:11
Speaker 1: say calculated, but he's a he's a clear minded guy. Yeah,
35:16
Speaker 1: he's pretty focused. He know what he wants to do,
35:19
Speaker 1: and yeah, right, it's I mean, every time he talks,
35:21
Speaker 1: he talks about with him. You know, he's not talking
35:23
Speaker 1: about Passerini and completion percentage and all that stuff. He's
35:27
Speaker 1: talking about wins and so yes, I agree. I mean
35:32
Speaker 1: you would have to say that it sounds like Joe.
35:36
Speaker 1: So Joe's not due to be a free agent right away.
35:40
Speaker 1: But you mentioned some of the guys that are Jesse Bates,
35:44
Speaker 1: Von Bell plus Jermaine Pratt, Eli Apple Paydon Hurst. Those
35:48
Speaker 1: are five starters who are going to be free agents.
35:50
Speaker 1: I think most of us assume Jesse's moving on, It's
35:53
Speaker 1: been trending that way for a couple of years now.
35:56
Speaker 1: Of the others, who do you think is most likely
35:59
Speaker 1: to return? Great question? I mean, I uh, you look
36:04
Speaker 1: at von Bell and I mean, he's uh, very comfortable
36:08
Speaker 1: in the system, great in the locker room. I know
36:11
Speaker 1: he's got some ties around the league, you know, around
36:13
Speaker 1: the league with other you know, teams and the guys
36:16
Speaker 1: who were up for jobs. But he's a guy I
36:18
Speaker 1: would think he seems, uh you know, he wants to
36:21
Speaker 1: win too. And I you can't you can't help but
36:25
Speaker 1: see the letter of number nine there for these guys,
36:27
Speaker 1: you know, and I think v I think Von's one
36:29
Speaker 1: of these guys. Any guy who comes into the weight
36:31
Speaker 1: room every day at six and the morning that tells
36:34
Speaker 1: me he's not he's he's running in for just a paycheck,
36:39
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he's a guy I
36:41
Speaker 1: could see, you know, sticking here because you know he
36:44
Speaker 1: wants to win, and uh, you know he's he was
36:48
Speaker 1: a winner on the Saints too, and what were the
36:50
Speaker 1: two common denominators, Drew Breese and Borrow, So that you know,
36:54
Speaker 1: I could I could see I could see vareun staying,
36:56
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I that would be a guy.
36:59
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know I wouldn't give I wouldn't
37:01
Speaker 1: give short shrift to Pratt either. I think Pratt's pretty
37:04
Speaker 1: comfortable here. His good friend b J Hills on the team.
37:08
Speaker 1: He's really come on under their you know, he's really
37:10
Speaker 1: the last two years under the lou He's really he's
37:12
Speaker 1: really come on. So you know that, you know, But
37:16
Speaker 1: what what would he want to be? You know, I
37:19
Speaker 1: think Wilson and Pratt are seen as two guys. Would
37:22
Speaker 1: he want to go someplace where he wants to be
37:24
Speaker 1: the guy? I don't you know who knows? I mean,
37:26
Speaker 1: but I think everything's on the table with these guys.
37:29
Speaker 1: I think it has had to say one guy is
37:31
Speaker 1: more likely than the other because I think Borrow kind
37:35
Speaker 1: of changes everything. And the success Borrow in the success
37:39
Speaker 1: of the last two years is you know, hard to
37:42
Speaker 1: know what guys are thinking, and hard to know where
37:44
Speaker 1: they are in their lives, you know, and what they
37:45
Speaker 1: want to accomplish at this stage in their lives. And
37:48
Speaker 1: each guy is different. But I think, you know, I
37:51
Speaker 1: think if a lot of guys stay that would that
37:54
Speaker 1: would not be surprising because they know they got a shot.
37:57
Speaker 1: I think they believe and they've lived it and they've
37:59
Speaker 1: seen it. They a chance every year to get here.
38:04
Speaker 1: The factor that you never know at this point is
38:07
Speaker 1: what other teams might offer. I mean, nobody expected CJ.
38:10
Speaker 1: Zama to get the deal that he got last year.
38:13
Speaker 1: So I know that hayden Hurst wants to be back,
38:16
Speaker 1: But will another team go crazy and make an offer
38:20
Speaker 1: that that just simply does not make sense for the Bengals.
38:22
Speaker 1: You don't know, no, right, you don't know, and you
38:25
Speaker 1: don't know what a guy's thinking. We would a guy
38:27
Speaker 1: take less to stay? What a guy does a guy
38:29
Speaker 1: want more as a guy and needing more? I think
38:32
Speaker 1: keeping a team together, I think is that's that's just
38:34
Speaker 1: going to be the high. But I mean, they've done
38:35
Speaker 1: such a good job putting this one together. It's going
38:38
Speaker 1: to be probably even tougher to keep it together, you know.
38:42
Speaker 1: And but I think we'll have a lot of help.
38:44
Speaker 1: Joe's gonna have give him a lot of help and
38:45
Speaker 1: a regat And I think, you know, I think Zach
38:47
Speaker 1: Taylor's built a great You have to say, what he's
38:51
Speaker 1: done a hell of a job in that locker room.
38:53
Speaker 1: And if you didn't think so, you thought so after
38:55
Speaker 1: DJ Hills stood next to Joseph the sci after that
38:59
Speaker 1: conference champion, the game that shows you what they've got
39:02
Speaker 1: and so uh, it makes this It makes this locker
39:06
Speaker 1: room quite a lure, I think in free agency. A
39:09
Speaker 1: couple more topics as we record this. Luanna Roumo is
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Speaker 1: reportedly one of two finalists for the areas could be
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Speaker 1: right around the corner from you. He could be right
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Speaker 1: around the corner from here or in Arizona. Yeah, yea,
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Speaker 1: So he's supposedly one of two finalists for that job.
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Speaker 1: Brian Callahan is apparently still on the lengthy list of
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Speaker 1: guys who are being considered by the Indianapolis Colts. If
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Speaker 1: either or both leave, are the replacements in house? I
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Speaker 1: would think so. I think that was part of the
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Speaker 1: deal when Mike, when they when the when the ownership
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Speaker 1: opted to go for a offensive head coach. I think
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Speaker 1: the thinking was, you know, they were looking at points
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Speaker 1: like this where they would get coaches, you know, where
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Speaker 1: other coaches would leave, and I think they felt like,
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Speaker 1: you get to have a system. You get to have
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Speaker 1: at least on one side of the all. You have
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Speaker 1: to have a system that the head coach has and
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Speaker 1: uh so za za this is Zack's often so uh
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Speaker 1: certain you don't want guys like Callahan and Tooy Walters
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Speaker 1: is up for a job. The wide receiver's goes Dan
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Speaker 1: picture the quarterbacks coach. He's up for a job. He's
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Speaker 1: already had two interviews in Tampa. But Zach the guy
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Speaker 1: ultimately zat zact system. He's still here. He's not going anywhere. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a key thing on that side of
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Speaker 1: the ball. And you know, defensively, it's an interesting call.
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Speaker 1: You know, James Betcher worked with lou in New York.
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Speaker 1: James Betcher is a two time defensive coordinator. His best
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Speaker 1: you know, he had three top ten defenses in Arizona, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, several years ago. So you know, he would
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Speaker 1: seem to be you know, would he be a candidate.
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Speaker 1: He has done the job before, so you know, I
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Speaker 1: I and they, you know they and I think Zach
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Speaker 1: and Duke and Mike have done a great job with
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Speaker 1: coaching continuity. I mean and that you know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, Mike, You've talked to Mike enough. He is
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Speaker 1: rock ribbed in his belief that you have to have consistency,
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Speaker 1: particularly in coaching. And I think he's been proven correct
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Speaker 1: down through the years. So you know, I think those
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Speaker 1: you know, those in the house guys get an extra
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Speaker 1: long look. I think in Cincinnati Mike puts it differently
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Speaker 1: than anybody else I've ever heard, as you would expect
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Speaker 1: when we're all singing from the same hymnal. It's hard.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to change from the year to year. So
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Speaker 1: that's a classic way of Mike talking about coaching continuity. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's he just didn't come up with that either,
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Speaker 1: you know. And I think he's seen that, he's seen
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Speaker 1: that playout. He's sorr he saw it on his dad's
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Speaker 1: back when you know, I mean Paul Brown's first stabs.
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Speaker 1: I know it was a different time, in a different era,
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Speaker 1: but they barely changed, you know, in the in the
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Speaker 1: in the when he was coaching the team for the
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Speaker 1: first eight years. So you're in Arizona for the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: You've been around players from both teams, coaches from both teams.
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Speaker 1: Do you have a rooting interest? Do you have a
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Speaker 1: feel for who you think is gonna win? You know,
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Speaker 1: I hate I had a nice conversation with the former
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Speaker 1: Bengals coach. We'll get to these notes later after the
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame stuff, but old running back coach Jamal
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Speaker 1: Singleton is out here. Is the assistant head coach for
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Speaker 1: the Eagles, really really shot guy, and they the Eagles
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Speaker 1: do a great job running the ball. Did a little
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Speaker 1: did a little story with Lane Johnson and got to
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Speaker 1: spend some time with him, who's a big Willie Anderson guy,
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Speaker 1: and talk to their offensive line coach a little bit,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Stoutmond. And they're very impressive upfront, you know. And
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Chiefs are the Chiefs are
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Speaker 1: a great team. You know what, We've had four classic games.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable you think about that. I mean, every game
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Speaker 1: has been a classic, but this Eagles punch, it's a
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Speaker 1: they're intriguing you after being around a little. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: and I just look at how they run the ball.
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Speaker 1: And Willie Anderson was talking about that too. What he
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Speaker 1: was saying when they blocked the run, their picture perfect.
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Speaker 1: They're combo blocking is like right out of the textbook.
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Speaker 1: So you know, I hate to get back to the
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Speaker 1: running game, but that's they They could they could take
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Speaker 1: over this game in the run game, and we might
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Speaker 1: not see much, you know, the plan might be not
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Speaker 1: to see much of Patrick. You know, that's that's you know,
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Speaker 1: as you know, I mean, obviously, if she's met on
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Speaker 1: the field, he can't beat you. But I think and
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Speaker 1: the Eagles are so good on the other side of
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Speaker 1: the ball too. I just they're so good on both
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Speaker 1: sides of the ball. It's hard to me to see
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Speaker 1: them losing a game like this. Well, I hope you're right,
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Speaker 1: because I'm rude to the Eagles. My fellow Southwestern Central
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Speaker 1: High school graduate, Nick Siriani, right, his ni Fran was
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Speaker 1: my high school science teacher. So this is kind of cool.
43:52
Speaker 1: Wow about that? Um yeah, that's uh uh And there
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Speaker 1: you're kind of guys, you kind of like a little
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Speaker 1: bit like Hassan Reddick is kind of like the eli
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Speaker 1: apple of that team a little bit. He's got a
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Speaker 1: second he got a second chance, and he's got sixteen sacks,
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Speaker 1: and um, you know, I I think that, uh, this,
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Speaker 1: this the Andy Reid thing is what a great thing.
44:18
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, what a story that is. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's hugging some of those Eagles, He's hugging some of
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Speaker 1: those Eagles guys on the on the stage that were
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Speaker 1: there when he when he was there, you know, and
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Speaker 1: so it's, uh yeah, I think this, uh, this one
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Speaker 1: is It's gonna be tough to watch though, because he's
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Speaker 1: just gonna think, you know, how close the Bengals were
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Speaker 1: to get there, you know, and uh, I would have
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Speaker 1: liked the match up with the with the Eagles, it
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Speaker 1: would have been their their their pass rush would have
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Speaker 1: been tough. But I think that uh, you know, Joe
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Speaker 1: could have gone after that secondary, you know, And I
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Speaker 1: think our defense would have been a nice match for
44:53
Speaker 1: you know, we're tough to run the ball on, you know.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I think Hurts might have you know, I
44:58
Speaker 1: think Lou might have had a few things for Hurt.
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Speaker 1: So we'll just have to we'll just have to kind
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Speaker 1: of do a fantasy game on the side. I guess
45:06
Speaker 1: we're both still in mourning. They probably would have had
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Speaker 1: Kappa back, they might have had with Jonah back, so
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Speaker 1: that would have been helped as well. But hey, here's
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Speaker 1: the good news. Of the fourteen teams that made the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: they had the youngest roster or it's not going anywhere.
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Speaker 1: The Bengals aren't going anywhere, So hopefully next year we'll
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Speaker 1: be still in the hunt. At this point of the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl week, well, and the great thing FORRDY is
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Speaker 1: they've got the youngest roster and they got one of
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Speaker 1: the most After the Eagles, they might have the most
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Speaker 1: postseason games even though they're so young, you know, which
45:39
Speaker 1: is that's a great combination. Well, as I said off
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Speaker 1: the top, it is a night for Bengals fans to
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Speaker 1: celebrate Ken Riley officially going into the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 1: You had a lot to do with that and also
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Speaker 1: getting Willie Anderson in the room. So congratulations, thank you
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Speaker 1: on your for your efforts and look forward to seeing
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Speaker 1: you when you get back to town forty. That's very
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Speaker 1: kind of you. You know, it's kind of a family
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Speaker 1: deal here. The Rileys are all are all out here
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Speaker 1: and it's a great thing to see. And I know
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Speaker 1: Carry Hobson's listening on our podcast, and one day as
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Speaker 1: a family, we're going to go up and see Kenny
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Speaker 1: Riley's bust and as a family and we'll we'll be
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Speaker 1: up there, and it was a bit or his family
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Speaker 1: and hopefully Willie will be going back up to visit.
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Speaker 1: Willie and Isaac and Corey and you know, Joe and
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Speaker 1: Jamar if we live that long, which would be nice.
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