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• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, and welcome to this episode of Assassin's Sips, where every episode we will be discussing and dissecting an episode of Lost while we drink.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: We are your hosts.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Lisa.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Agnes.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: And today's episode is further instructions from season three.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: I am drinking some good old red wine.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: What are you drinking?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: I forgot I had wine.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: My neighbor's so cute.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I we're having my mommy coffee.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: Next time you can have one.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: She's she it's a funny story because last night I don't know what we're talking about, something and then I just told her that I'm no longer smoking.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm doing my diet.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna leave again.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be a rabbit.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: She said, Oh, okay, so just leave the rhine and run.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, no, lol.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, no, because I still owe you your birthday wine.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_03: So you can't give me wine because I like your birthday.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: So she's like, okay, fine.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: And just make a picture of my husband with a bottle of wine.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: She was substantially cliff.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_03: She said, husband with a bottle of wine leave on my porch.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, you're so cute.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_03: That was cute.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't actually thought about you.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: Me.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's something you would do.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, all right, fine.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: I won't send, I won't send you bagels.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: Ding dong.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: I brought you bagels instead.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's a b right.
• 1:42
  unknown: Right.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's the least move.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: You ready to get into the episode?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm ready.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: In flashback.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: At some point, Locke is working and living on a rural commune in or near Humboldt County, California.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: He picks up a work-seeking hitchhiker, Eddie, during a rainstorm.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: A local sheriff stops Locke's pickup and asks to see his license and registration.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Loc has guns in his truck.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: After Locke shows him the papers, the sheriff says that he can still take him in for picking up a hitchhiker.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Eddie interrupts saying that Locke is his uncle.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Arriving at the commune, Locke salutes everyone and shows Eddie their sweat lodge, where family members can figure out what they have to do with their life and to find out whether they are a farmer or a hunter.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Eddie asks which one Locke is.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Locke only smiles.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: At lunch, Locke introduces Eddie to Mike and Jan, the commune leaders, and explains that Eddie has been looking for logging work.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Locke says, Grace, and thanks the Lord for helping him stop being angry and helping him find a real family.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: So right there, that puts it in perspective of like where Locke's time frame it is.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: So this is obviously like after Helen and after his father.
• 3:06
  unknown: Right.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know, now we know like he's not angry and whatever.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: Were you surprised to see him living on a commune?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I was thinking, I didn't know I was gonna wait until we got oh I done with the flashback section.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: We could.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean yeah, because it's it's like it took if this Loc, yeah, he's special.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: After spending six weeks at the commune, Eddie asks Locke about his father, but there is nothing much to talk about, according to Locke.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: Eddie then asks Locke about the greenhouse he is never let into.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: He claims there are too many secrets in this family.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: When Eddie observes several large bags of fertilizer being taken into the greenhouse, he says he knows what's going on and he wants in on whatever they are blowing up.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Locke laughs, but says he will talk to Mike and Jan and will try to arrange answers to Eddie's questions.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: In the greenhouse, a marijuana crop is growing.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Mike and Jan count their money, pack the drugs, and prepare to flee.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Mike and Jan are furious with Locke because they have discovered that Eddie is an undercover cop who has been gathering evidence for the police over the last six weeks.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Loc insists that Eddie that since Eddie has never entered the greenhouse, it's not too late.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: He can still keep his family together and that he will fix it.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: John takes Eddie hunting to cover up his mess.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: He learns from Eddie that the police chose Loc because he hadn't been there long, didn't have a criminal record, and was the most subject to coercion.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: When Locke is about to shoot Eddie, Eddie tries to calm him down, saying Locke is not a murderer, that he is a farmer.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Locke corrects him, saying he is a hunter.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Locke cannot bring himself to pull the trigger, and Eddie walks away.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's the end of the flashback.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: You wanna with all the other characters.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_03: So I um Kate's flashbacks.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty much what they're gonna you pretty much know what they're gonna be about, but they're still entertaining, and they got a couple of twists.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, oh, but they pretty much know, you know, you have an idea where they're gonna go.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um there's some flashbacks that um, like even Jack, Jack's, he knows me by his family.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you have an idea by his flashbacks, and then some flashback you're just like, okay, that was just okay, insightful, like Charlie's.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_03: He gives him a clean, you see like the how he got to be the person he is.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Locke.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: Every Locke flashback, I am surprised.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_03: They take you somewhere that you don't even expect it to go, like at all.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, but wait, what?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, even with this fog, like every if you think about there's not one flashback that you were expecting.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_03: So was I surprised?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was confused as fuck.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: But at the same time, you're like, what?
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: All right, this is lost, this is locked.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'm not so surprised after all, you know, it's just yeah, it's I was surprised, but not surprised.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, I mean, he's still searching for the same thing, you know, he's still this same person, he still wants love and acceptance and a family and some artistic beliefs.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: They're like with Locke, but all their messages, they're very consistent in their character development.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, it's just how with Locke, I find the way they do it is it keeps you like, oh, okay, that's an interesting term.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, his parents, wait, what?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_03: They stole his kidney?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, he's on a commute?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like, right, he was a house appraiser, like, wait, what?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how the hell does he end up working the bus company?
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you have no idea, like, where it's gonna go to next.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, it's always the same ending.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: He finds a way to fuck it up, like he has a good thing going and he finds a way to mess it up.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: But this way wasn't so much his fault per se.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: He was being kind of targeted, maybe because he is a little gullible.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, I I uh Lord.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: Lord have mercy.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it it also depends on your take, if like he actually should have gone through with quote unquote fixing the problem.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: Any of the shit.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_03: I I think um I that's why I think the island is so important to him, because it's giving him this sense of not just walking, it's giving him redemption.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um he's been able to, in his eyes, redeem himself from the past mistakes.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like for the most part, other than not hitting the button, but let's be for this be fair, 5050, 50% of people will stop hitting the button.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, I mean, I don't think other than that, on that island, he's done things to be helpful and to redeem himself in his eyes to redeem himself to the people around him.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think that's the other reason this island is so important to him and what it has his type.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: He, you know, in his flashback, he obviously didn't fix what he set out to fix, but we'll see on the island, it's not the same story.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: He he kind of has his redemption.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: He's a boar, uh a boar hunting, track following, man of all traits.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's he's dependable, the island.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's depend, you know, he has his role, his necessary role.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: And we got um and we get a visit from a past character.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: This episode.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: Do we really, Lisa?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: Do tell.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, ready?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm ready.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: A shot of Locke's eye, then a shot of the tops of the trees in the bamboo grove, just as in the pilot part one.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: Locke sees a naked Desmond running through the jungle, but he can't call out.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: He struggles to his feet and looks up and is nearly hit on the head by Echo's stick falling from a tree.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: He makes his way to the camp.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: He is mute and communicates with Charlie.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: First with charades, then using a pad and pen.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: He needs to speak to the island.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: He builds a sweat lodge in the middle of Echo and Charlie's church, and before entering, he creates an island pudding.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie stands guard but is told not to come in.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: In the sweat lodge, after eating his drug, Locke sits and waits.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Boone appears to him.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Boone's back.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Locke cannot speak, but mouths, I'm sorry, to Boone.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Boone forgives him, saying with sarcasm that he was a sacrifice the island demanded, and that John will be able to speak when he has something worth saying.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Boone tells John that there Boone tells John that he is there to help find Locke's way again so he can bring the family back together.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: After Boone says he wants to show him something, Loc tries to stand up but he can't.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Boone says, John, you're going to need that, pointing to the wheelchair.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Boone then escorts Loc, confined to the wheelchair through an airport, saying that someone in the airport needs his help.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie, Claire, and Aaron are fine for a while and appear to be a family in the vision.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: He sees Jin and Sun arguing and Saeed, who Boone says can handle it.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley is behind the counter of the ticket agency, entering his numbers into a computer.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Desmond is a pilot and has three attractive flight attendants following him down the escalator.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Boone tells Locke that Desmond is helping himself.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Kate and Sawyer are bantering in the waiting line at the scanners, while Jack is being scanned by Ben with the handheld metal detector, which emits the beep of the computer timer in the hatch.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Boone says that Locke can't help them, at least not yet.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Boone says first you have to clean up your own mess.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Locke is looking up at an empty escalator and drags himself to the top of the escalator and finds Mr.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Echo's Jesus' stick.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, Jesus's.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I wish I could see your face.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Did you just snort?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: I really wish I could see your face.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um That makes me sad that I'm frozen in a weird dopey look at that.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Locke is looking up at an empty escalator and drags himself to the top of the escalator and finds Mr.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Echo's Jesus stick covered in blood.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Locke looks at his hand, now bloodied, and then back up to Boone, who is who is bloody as seen in the dream in Deus Ex Machina, saying, Clean it up, John, they've got him.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have much time.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: John awakens in the sweat lodge, and as he emerges, there is a flash of a polar bear coming out of a fire.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: John jumps out of the sweat lodge.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: He tells Charlie that he is going to save Mr.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Echo's life.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie goes with Locke in search of Echo.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: During their journey, they find Echo's cross and signs that Echo was dragged by a polar bear.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Sawyer only killed one.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Locke tells Charlie to go as bad things happen to people who are around me.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie continues to follow him.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Along the way, they discover the hatch has imploded, leaving a cavernous pit.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Loc, Echo, and Desmond were apparently blown out of the hatch.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: They find a dead boar and polar bear fur.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Seconds later, they hear a growling sound.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: They start running and stop as Locke hears rustling in the bushes.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Locke throws his knife and hits Hurley's canteen, which he was holding in front of him.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley murmurs, dude, in shock.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley tells Locke and Charlie what happened when they encountered the others, how they kept Jack, Kate, and Sawyer hostages, how they sent him free so he could tell the other survivors what happened, and how the dude we had in the hatch is their leader.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Loc orders him to do what the others told him while he is going to save Echo's life.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie warns him about the polar bear.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: They continue the hunt and see more fur.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie is scared, saying that the polar bear is the Einstein of the bear community.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: John suspects that Echo was dragged into a cave by a polar bear.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Locke enters the cave, armed with hairspray and his torch.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: In the cave, he finds a yellow tonka truck and a skeleton with the pearl logo on its clothes.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: He sees Echo lying on the ground, bleeding and badly injured.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: The polar bear attacks, dragging Echo by his feet further into the cave.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Locke uses the hairspray and the torch as a makeshift flamethrower and burns the bear.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: The bear lets go of Echo and Loc carries him out of the cave.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley comes across a naked Desmond who emerges out of the bushes.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley gives him a tie-dyed shirt from his backpack, while Desmond tells him he woke up naked after the implosion.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: He explains to Hurley about the failsafe key and Hurley asks him if turning if the turning of that key was what made the blunder noise and the sky turned purple.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Desmond replies that he missed it.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley tells him that the island vibrated and also that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer saw it right before they got bags pulled over their heads.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Desmond tries to calm him down, saying that Locke plans to go after them, just like he said in his speech.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: When Hurley, in confusion, says Locke only said he is going after Echo and the polar bear, Desmond apologizes, saying that he is a bit shook up.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: While Charlie gets water for the unconscious Echo, Locke apologizes to Echo, saying it's all his fault that he had to let Echo keep pushing the button and that because of him, their friends are now captured.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Echo opens his eyes and tells Locke he can still protect them, that eventually he will find them because after all, he is a hunter.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: The next moment, as Charlie arrives, Echo is still unconscious.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: As they arrive to camp, a group of the survivors ask for some information regarding Jack and Echo.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley tells Nikki that Jack is not coming back because they've got him.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Locke addresses the group, explaining that by they, Hurley means the others.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Claire asks about Sun Jin and Said, and Locke says that he is going to find their friends.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: He does not know how, but he is going to.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: He asks Nikki, Claire, and Paolo to take care of Echo.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie walks away, saying this was a nice speech.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hurley said he had deja vu for a second.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Then he looks at Desmond, standing on the beach, throwing rocks in the sea and frowning.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the end of the episode.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: So until you just read the synopsis.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_03: I like that word, synopsis.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, um the the characters that he told um to you know watch, you know, take care of Echo, they didn't have names.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: So we're just thinking, okay, they're just survivors on the you know, just extras.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: But apparently, since you name them, not you per se, uh it makes me wonder, not wonder, but it kind of makes me assume that, oh wait, do we have new characters?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like do we have new main characters?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: I think we do because why else would they normally they don't well actually they do have a habit of naming people that are irrelevant though?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just gonna tell you, like, it could go either way.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I was like, Yeah, okay.
• 17:25
  unknown: Never mind then.
• 17:26
  unknown: I I take that back.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: I take it all back.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Locke, okay, let's do trivia.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: When um in the first flashback, when the police officer is checking the paperwork, Locke's birthday is November 15th, 1946.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: 1115.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, 15 is.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know, just thus you might want to know when your man's birthday is.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, Terry!
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: When Eddie is first introduced into the commune, he was wearing a Geronimo Jackson t-shirt.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_03: Saw that.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: While Loc is dragging himself up the escalator using his arms, the same mechanical noise found in Exodus Part 2, when Loc is being dragged through the jungle by the monster, can be heard.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one of the skeletons in the polar bear cave was wearing a shirt with the logo from the pearl.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: It seems likely they were Dharma Initiative staff members.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you I mean, fucking polar bear valley is dangerous.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: Polar Bear Village, whatever they're calling.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Polar Bear Village.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do I want to know what you're doing over there?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: The wire and this headphones is getting to the point where I can't hear at all.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: From one ear to no ears to both ears, so yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Weird.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: It appears that when holding Eddie at gunpoint, Locke is using the same rifle that Danielle Russo uses on the island.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: The survivors in Locke's vision are grouped together the way they are in real time, and not as they were left in the season 2 finale when Locke last knew about them.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Jack, Kate, and Sawyer with Ben.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: The last Locke knew, Hurley and Michael were with them, and Ben had Ben had not gained yet gained control of them.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Said with Jin and Son.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Locke was in the swan when all three of them decided to leave.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Desmond, as a pilot, alone and enjoying himself.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: He was missing at the time, and his flashback.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, sorry.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm not, I can't read that part.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: And Hurley separated from the rest.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was traveling back to the beach at the time, typing the numbers into the swan's computer at the oceanic check-in.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: During the airport scene, after Hurley enters the numbers, the chittering of the smoke monster can be heard.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's also the sound of the receipt printer from the first season episode Walkabout.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's some that I can't quite read.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um Alright, so the title of the episode is Further Instructions, which obviously, yeah, it's it's his um He does his spirit journey and he talks to the island and he's given his directions.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, kind of sort of self-explanatory.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think there's anything else other than that.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't I don't really think so either.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do you feel like this episode like uh do you feel like this episode do you feel like this episode gave you more insight about who Locke is or it didn't matter?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like you like having it, but it's like you didn't need it.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: I enjoyed like I enjoyed watching it.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: It just it wasn't anything um new into his character, it didn't give you any new information as far as to why he is whoever he is, maybe it kind of just straightens that idea, but it was still a good episode in that well damn lock, like where's your next stop at?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like you just it was it was interesting in of itself.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't think I it wasn't necessary for the character development, it was good for TV, which is I appreciate that because sometimes you just want to watch good TV, and yeah.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: When the episode pretty much opens, Locke is laying in the jungle, kind of like the way Jack was in the pilot episode, and instead of Vincent running by, Desmond runs by, and basically Locke has taken the place of Jack as the leader because Jack is not there.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about that shift?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting, I didn't see it that way, but yeah, that makes sense.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, considering he's the one that's left, it kind of makes sense because he's one of the no the group the the handful of people that are capable of anything regardless of survival.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a logical choice.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like um I think it's a I I I think it's a good thing.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: But his character.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, stop bitching.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think it's a good thing like the character, because he well, he has approved something.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's opposition to, you know, say we want to see, like, yeah, Jack, you not Jack.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: You're useful.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: We need you.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: He needs to spend all mental health, so to speak.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: And uh back to the matter wants the series to go on, we kind of need him to win something.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of necessary for him to get somebody out.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm reading um some stuff from the internet, and it says that the title also refers to a quote from the previous season in which Echo tells Locke to wait for further instruction.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Referring to his dream from Yummy.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: I remember that.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't I didn't remember that until like I just read it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: So the hatch imploded.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's all it's all fucking gone.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a big ass hole in the ground, but they all made it out and somehow Desmond lost his clothes in the process.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: But that that did kind of bug me out.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's one thing seeing them all, you know, kind of jacked up and whatever, but then you see what's left of the hatch or what isn't left?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, wait, that doesn't make sense.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like they were outside the hatch.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like they were outside and they got some, you know, co they were in the fucking hatch.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: So like fucking island mysteries.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: You know why?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: Because they're already dead.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: And when Luck.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, alright.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Luck is in the cave with the polar bear.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: He he finds a toy truck and he looks at it like it has some kind of significance, but we don't know what it is.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: I thought you were just looking at it because it was just fucking weird.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, okay.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, thank you, Lisa.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: Now I got me thinking.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting!
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's what my face said.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: You're lucky I like that face.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, thank you.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, all in all, I think that it it's just like every other lock episode for you that it has it you find it interesting, but it doesn't necessarily leave you with like more questions.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not I'm not baffled, nor am I frustrated at the end.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not feeling I feel stated at the end of the episode.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Law couldn't speak.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of an unexplained event.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that kind of makes sense.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: The whole way for instructions and listening to the island, like this opportunity is literally telling him just listen.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Don't speak, just listen.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I really think more people should do that, right?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: I just I'm an anti-human race.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Can we go back to the toy truck again?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: The toy truck could be nothing, okay?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a like a tonga truck, right?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Which is not some generic item.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning that it had to it had to come from off the island.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'll you know this well, what's his name?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: What's his name?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: Ben?
• 26:30
  unknown: Mm-hmm.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: The character formerly known as Henry.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Ben said he was that on the island his entire life.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: So if you want to believe him, let's assume that there were children, or at least one child, on the island at one point in time.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe that toy truck was his.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: And those And where'd he get it from?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: The island toys or us?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying, no, I'm just saying, like if his parents or parents were like working for the initiative, hello, she's pregnant.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like, let's say the mother's pregnant.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: She sees that his whole life is there.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: So at one point, maybe she was pregnant with a guy on the island, and you know, I'm gonna be on this island for X amount of time, just being toys for my kid.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: Or maybe there was other kids on the island anyway.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it wasn't his per se, but it was other kids from other employees, and they brought their toys.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, he may not have been the only child on the island.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like this is limestone.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: Another like another version of limestone.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: Limetown.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, limetown.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: I said limestone, limetown, which I think I'm gonna say that again.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: That was really, really good.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, no, no, no.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: I uh there's no right or wrong answer.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying, like it's so out of place.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: He's making me think of but sometimes I think I ignore some of these things because it's like it's lost.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think sometimes I'm just like, meh, like, oh, like the fact that John couldn't speak, and trying like, oh, you can't speak.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so what are you trying to say?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: He was so nonchalant about it.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like, at this point of living on an island, nothing surprises anybody anymore.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, oh, okay.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: All of a sudden you're mute, like, all right, cool.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: What are you trying to say?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um island bad.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, so it's true.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's the first thing I'm like, okay, this is weird.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like, nothing is weird anymore.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like 2020.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: But I can't I can't comment because okay.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've seen it.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I you know, what might have been oh at first isn't is maybe not ooh now.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and then at the same time, you don't want to ooh me into some of the tr accidentally leading me down the right path.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just trying to point out things that are like, you know, whether they're red herrings or not.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like the fact that he can't speak might be important, might not be.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: The fact that there's a tonka truck in a cave might be important, might not be.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, whatever.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: The fact that there's a big old gaping hole that they all flew out of one of them sons' clothing might be important, might not be.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: I just wish they'd just show it a little lower.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's what was it.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: That was my disappointment.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like, dudes, make the first three.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: I really missed the slow motion feature on my TV.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: It is what it is.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: There's no shame here.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I gotta say, Boone was a little bit cuter in his spirit version.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh look.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: I was how blue his eyes were.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like Yeah.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: He he's not ugly, he's just not really like my type.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: He's not my type, and I think initially the character annoyed the fuck out of me.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: But he's always annoys you.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're like, ugh.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: So I think he's just really annoying to me as a character.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: And and on top of that, he wasn't my type.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: So he had two strikes against him.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: He will probably say the same thing about me.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: The next episode is every man for himself.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is that Desmond?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, let me say every man for himself.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Let me see if I can guess it.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I don't fucking know.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, you do.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, nothing.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, every man for himself.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: Come on.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: Whose attitude would that be?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's definitely a Sawyer attitude.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's not too obvious.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's why.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, it's a Sawyer episode.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: I just thought it was too obvious.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to like be like, you know.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, definitely wouldn't fit that too, because he's kind of like a loner, but it, you know.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: But yes, Sawyer, I miss Sawyer.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so we're gonna get a Sawyer episode next.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I know I ask you every time, and I'm gonna ask you again.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Anything you would like to get more of out of his life or learn about?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna see what they would have given me.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I think I know enough.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like they've answered enough questions about him where he's not much of a not that he's not a surprise.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: He always has twist and turns, but you know where they're heading.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like you know.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: I s yeah.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, but that's that.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think the next bet is pretty much telling what what's his like telling him what's the next period of his life between the girl that he kind of liked, we so calm, and how between that period and how he ended up in Australia.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what the hell is her name.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember her name.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: I I know who you're talking about, I can see her face.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember her name.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: I can't remember.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's the only period that I'm kinda interested in.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like what happened after her and between and before Australia.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: You know how you got to Australia, you know all that, but like obviously I think that's the only thing that I mean, unless they're gonna bring you back somewhere else, but I think that's a less logical step.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: I Yeah, but did you hear what you just said?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: The next logical step.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I said I don't know.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I kind of like cut it off.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I don't know now.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, you know what?
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: You might get it, you might not.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: I guess we'll see next time.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm glad I'm not a gambling person.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I like too much.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know I like to make never, never, never, never, never be the show to gamble on.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Unless you like house will always win.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is if there were if if 2020 was a show, it would pretty much be this one.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Cause I mean, what what month do the polar bears come walking down the street?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm guessing I'm guessing December would be nice that would be a nice fitting, a nice end to the year.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: I mean we have zombies come at the end, like we zombies here in Racine.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I got I mean, you already did find a brain, so right.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, zombies are coming up.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: I foresee, like, what was someone said about snow?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just like, I'm ready for it.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: We don't care at this moment.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if at this point some electromagnetism just blew us all out of the out of here, I think we'd all probably just fucking be like, alright, bye.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: Listen, I you know how I feel about mankind right now.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I hate everyone.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: We all suck.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: We all suck.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: So more than others.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right, but yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: But left, right, in between, black, white, women, children, men, every we all suck.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: People suck.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Not because of like their you know, their attributes.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like that that doesn't mean anything.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: You you could be anybody, anything, you can still suck.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it doesn't mean anything.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone sucks.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody sucks.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: Mankind is the most destructive species on this planet.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I I yeah, we suck.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: And on that note.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're done.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_03: I really do like done on so many levels.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I don't know.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we are done.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I need to go do stuff.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Go in a note.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: Let me know how I need to know how everything goes.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Keep me posted.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is gonna be interesting.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm curious, you know, because it's like that morbid curiosity in me, like But you're totally no new people mode.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like car accident situation, you know, like you wanna look at it as you drive by because you wanna see like the blood and the gore, and don't fucking act like you don't.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: But then also you're gonna be sad, like if you see like something really bad and you really know like you don't want to get involved, but you will if you have to.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like you know, like you just you just wanna be an onlooker and not have to get involved.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: But in this case, I can't be an onlooker without getting involved.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: So Lisa is teen no new people.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm probably gonna fuck with you throughout the night just to make your experience to make no just to fuck with you a little bit, make you laugh.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Please do.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so you guys stay tuned next week for further instructions, and we'll talk about Sawyer.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: And in the meantime, we ask that you please help us out by supporting the show, uh telling your friends social media, supporting our sponsors.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Every little thing that you guys do really helps us, and we really appreciate it.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Rate, review, and subscribe, everything.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: And in the meantime, do not drink and drive, always drink responsibly.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Lisa, and I'm Agnes, and we're out of here.
• 36:26
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