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KOHBERGER BEWARE: KAYLEE GONCALVES PARENTS FIGHT BACK · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome to Crime Stories tonight.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very special night, and I'm speaking on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of not just myself, but our entire staff across the
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  Speaker 1: country as they are, and all of our families, because
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  Speaker 1: we are speaking one on one with two very special people,
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  Speaker 1: people that you had never heard of just a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago, but now are icons in the crime victim
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  Speaker 1: community and across the world. Christy and Steve Gonsolve us
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  Speaker 1: are joining us tonight. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: You want the truth.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you hadn't
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  Speaker 3: attached them in their sleep in the middle of the
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  Speaker 3: night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your us.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to open with sound from your daughter speaking
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  Speaker 1: out at Brian Coberger sentencing. I got to tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: You did something right the way you have raised your children,
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  Speaker 1: Missus Gonsalvius. Weren't you so proud of her? And under
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  Speaker 1: the worst conditions she stood strong.
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  Speaker 4: She has never ceased to amaze me throughout this whole
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  Speaker 4: entire process. She has just been just amazingly strong and
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  Speaker 4: when we went to the sentencing, we actually did not
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  Speaker 4: know what each other was going to say because we
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  Speaker 4: did not want to influence each other's speeches, so we
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  Speaker 4: did not know, and it was all new. And she
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  Speaker 4: got up there and I was just as sounded. I
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  Speaker 4: was just beside myself. And then when she was done,
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  Speaker 4: the audience or the courtroom clapped, and it was like,
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  Speaker 4: is that normal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think people normally clap, but it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was very surreal.
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  Speaker 4: It was very oh my gosh, what happened. And then
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  Speaker 4: you know, we I'm like, I have to hear that again.
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  Speaker 4: It was just so good, just so proud of her,
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  Speaker 4: of what she said and the way she articulated it
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  Speaker 4: was was perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I am going to play some of your daughter speaking,
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  Speaker 1: But as I'm looking at the two of you sitting there,
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  Speaker 1: so close together, connected, clearly connected. You know, when marriages
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  Speaker 1: face the slightest problem, like you don't have enough money,
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  Speaker 1: or there's an illness in the family, or just any
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  Speaker 1: number of things, marriages break apart. But under the single
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  Speaker 1: word first thing that could happen to a mother and
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  Speaker 1: a father, the death of your child, which most of
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  Speaker 1: us can't even imagine. You too, same, even stronger, you see,
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  Speaker 1: even closer. How is that happening, Christy?
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  Speaker 4: I honestly it has brought us closer, just because the
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  Speaker 4: pain and the anxiety that we have had are especially me.
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  Speaker 4: Steve has just been so amazing. He's been so gentle
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  Speaker 4: with me. He's given me grace, He's given me time
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  Speaker 4: to heal.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what do you need? Can I help you?
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  Speaker 4: And you know I tried to be that person for
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  Speaker 4: him as well, and you know, I sometimes I just
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  Speaker 4: need a hug when he gets home. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 4: just need a big hug, and he just wraps his
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  Speaker 4: arms around me, gives me this big old hug, and
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  Speaker 4: I just feel better. And I mean he's been my
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  Speaker 4: it has been for almost thirty years, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: five kids, and he's the epitome of an amazing man,
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  Speaker 4: an amazing father, amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Husband all wrapped up in one. I was blessed.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. So many things about you two
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  Speaker 1: are interesting, and so many millions of people have been
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  Speaker 1: watching you at a distance, and I'm just so honored
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  Speaker 1: that I get to actually talk to you, not just
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  Speaker 1: watch you in a courtroom or on a camera. Mister Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: you have been very outspoken, very outspoken throughout this entire nightmare,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people have attacked you. I don't
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  Speaker 1: get it. Do you even care what they say? I
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  Speaker 1: hope not.
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  Speaker 5: Now it just rolls right off my shoulders. I play
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  Speaker 5: support my whole life. I'm used to like constructive criticism,
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  Speaker 5: so that'll take to heart. And you know, sometimes I
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  Speaker 5: will misspeak or I'll say something.
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  Speaker 6: That you know I'll take back because I got I
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  Speaker 6: got my facts wrong.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm defending my children and my daughter and my wife,
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  Speaker 5: so I don't really take to heart them. I know
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  Speaker 5: that there's going to be some people who side with,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the other side, and I just I just
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  Speaker 5: keep it at that.
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  Speaker 6: I think they have.
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  Speaker 5: More in harmony with evil than they do good, and
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  Speaker 5: their actions reflect that, so I don't waste my time
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  Speaker 5: on them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, our family, the Grace family, has a very old saying,
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  Speaker 1: screw them and the horse they rode in on. So
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  Speaker 1: that's my legal advice to you. I'm want to circle
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  Speaker 1: back to your daughter, who was absolutely amazing. You know what,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't just happen. She's amazing because you raise her
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  Speaker 1: to be amazing. She didn't just come out that way.
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  Speaker 1: She has had years of you, you as her example.
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  Speaker 1: What am I talking about? Listen?
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  Speaker 3: You thought you were exceptional all because of a grade
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  Speaker 3: on a paper. You thought you were elite because your
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  Speaker 3: online IQ test from twenty ten told you so. All
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  Speaker 3: of that effort just to seem important.
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  Speaker 2: It's desperate.
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  Speaker 3: There is a name for your condition, though your inflated
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  Speaker 3: ego just didn't allow you to see it.
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  Speaker 2: Want to be.
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  Speaker 3: You act like no one could ever understand your mind.
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  Speaker 3: But the truth is you're basic. You're a text bookcase
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  Speaker 3: of insecurity disguised as control. Your patterns are predictable, your
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  Speaker 3: motives are shallow.
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  Speaker 1: You are not profound. You're pathetic.
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  Speaker 3: You aren't special or deep, not mysterious or exceptional. Don't
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  Speaker 3: ever get it twisted again. No one is scared of
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  Speaker 3: you today. No one is intimidated by you, No one
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  Speaker 3: is impressed by you.
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  Speaker 1: No one thinks that you.
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  Speaker 2: You are important.
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  Speaker 3: You orchestrated this like you thought you were God. Now
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  Speaker 3: look at you begging a courtroom for scraps. You spent
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  Speaker 3: months preparing, and still all it took was my sister,
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  Speaker 3: and as she you work so hard to see him
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  Speaker 3: dangerous but real control doesn't have to prove itself.
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  Speaker 1: I love her. Did you have any idea what she
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  Speaker 1: was going to say? Christy?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, we didn't.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't share our speeches with each other because we
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to influence them, and we were writing them
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  Speaker 4: up to the minute, literally like editing and adding and
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  Speaker 4: taking away.
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  Speaker 2: So no, she got up there and she flipped the table.
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  Speaker 2: I mean she flipped it all upside down.
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  Speaker 4: We were like, oh, oh, my goodness, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: she she did great. People love her, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: we love her. She's our oldest girl, our oldest child,
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  Speaker 4: and she's been through a lot with us, you know,
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  Speaker 4: being the oldest. So she's very resilient, she's very brave,
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  Speaker 4: she's the best big sister to all the kids, and
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  Speaker 4: she's incredibly smart, incredibly smart.
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  Speaker 2: She blows my mind all the time, all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to play one more time. I've got
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  Speaker 1: so many questions for you, but I just got to
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  Speaker 1: play one more tiny snippet of your daughter.
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  Speaker 3: The truth is the scariest part about you. It's how
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  Speaker 3: painfully average you turned out to be. The truth is
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  Speaker 3: as dumb as they come, stupid, clumsy, slow, sloppy, weak, dirty,
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  Speaker 3: let me be very clear, don't ever try to convince
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  Speaker 3: yourself you mattered just because someone finally said your name
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  Speaker 3: out loud. I see through you.
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  Speaker 2: You want the truth.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you had
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  Speaker 3: attacked them in their sleep in the middle of the
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  Speaker 3: night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked yourss.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and all over the world people
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  Speaker 1: joined in that applause. She's amazing. Steve, did you have
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  Speaker 1: any idea what she was going to say before she
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  Speaker 1: said it?
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  Speaker 6: I did know a little bit of details.
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  Speaker 5: We kind of did. We talked about topics, and she
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  Speaker 5: said she wanted to use his questions against him, and
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  Speaker 5: we all had that same idea. We thought about that,
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  Speaker 5: but she earned it, she needed that, and I was
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  Speaker 5: glad to give that to her, and that was her
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  Speaker 5: talking point. So that was the kind of collaboration we did.
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  Speaker 5: But I think when you see here you have a
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  Speaker 5: glimpse of who Kaylee was as well. And when you
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  Speaker 5: hear my son he was speaking as well. When you
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  Speaker 5: see the two kids, you see who these kids, who
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  Speaker 5: Kaylee was, And that was our best way of showing
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  Speaker 5: the world what had been stolen from us. He was
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  Speaker 5: very average, but his victims were exceptional, and that's what
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  Speaker 5: we wanted to convey. That's what we were missing, and
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  Speaker 5: we wanted the world to know about that, like what
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  Speaker 5: we're missing and what kind of a person she.
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  Speaker 1: Was miss Right now, seemingly every headline is about b
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  Speaker 1: K Brian Coburger, what he's going through, what his complaints are,
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  Speaker 1: where he's housed. I'm so overhearing about Brian f ing Coburger.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the victims. Victims all over
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  Speaker 1: the world are watching you and getting strength from you.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the moment that I turned into a crime victim,
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  Speaker 1: the moment I knew my fiance had been murdered. I
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  Speaker 1: was standing at a payphone and I could talk, but
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't dial the numbers. My hand was like a
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  Speaker 1: moth trying to get to the flop to the light.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't punch the numbers. I remember it exactly when
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  Speaker 1: Missus Gonsalves did you know, without a doubt, something horrible
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  Speaker 1: had happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was Sunday, November thirteenth.
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  Speaker 4: We were all here watching the football game, and my
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  Speaker 4: niece called me and she told me that something terrible
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  Speaker 4: had happened to Kaylee, her cousin or her husband's cousin
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  Speaker 4: went to you and I and something was going on,
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  Speaker 4: and she believed that Kaylee was dead.
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  Speaker 2: And I threw my phone across the room and I
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  Speaker 2: started calling.
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  Speaker 4: Kaylee and her was going straight to voice Belfore I
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  Speaker 4: started calling Maddie and nothing. So I called Olivia and
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  Speaker 4: got Olivia on the phone and had told.
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  Speaker 2: Her what was going on.
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  Speaker 4: But we're still trying to stay calm, saying it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be okay, it's going to be something just is wrong. Well,
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  Speaker 4: as hours went by and we called police stations and
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  Speaker 4: hospitals and.
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  Speaker 2: We got nothing, no information.
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  Speaker 4: But we see her house on TV and it's purten
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  Speaker 4: off with yellow tape. I knew, I knew in my
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  Speaker 4: heart that something terrible had happened, but for sure when
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  Speaker 4: the sheriff showed up around five and came to the
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  Speaker 4: door and told us there was four homicides.
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  Speaker 1: Mississ go salmis, what do you mean? Because I knew
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  Speaker 1: Keith was dead before they said he's dead. I knew
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  Speaker 1: when you said you knew in your heart, how did
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  Speaker 1: you know in your heart? And what was that feeling?
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  Speaker 1: How did you know? And I've heard many many other
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  Speaker 1: violent crime victims say the same thing they knew before
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  Speaker 1: they were told.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I knew just because of my niece calling me.
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  Speaker 4: You know, she's a very responsible adult, she's a mother,
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  Speaker 4: she's a nurse. I knew that Sabrina would not have
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  Speaker 4: made that call.
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  Speaker 2: To me had she not new ad facts.
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  Speaker 4: So I knew, even though, like we didn't have confirmation.
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  Speaker 4: But I kept telling Olivia and the kids.
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  Speaker 2: She's gone. She's gone, guys, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we don't know what happened, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: And we're running around the house frantic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm crying, everybody's crying.
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  Speaker 4: We're trying to get in touch with somebody to get answers.
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  Speaker 2: And I kept.
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  Speaker 4: Saying, the sheriff will come. If it's true, the sheriff
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  Speaker 4: will come. And it was that evening and I looked
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  Speaker 4: out my front window and I saw the sheriff pull up,
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  Speaker 4: and I said, the sheriff's here, and I took off
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  Speaker 4: to my bedroom. I ran to my bedroom and everybody
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  Speaker 4: answered the door, and I came back out about a
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  Speaker 4: minute later and stood here at the front door and
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  Speaker 4: ask them what happened, you know, And he said it
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  Speaker 4: was a homicide. And I said they were murdered. And
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  Speaker 4: I asked if one of them was Maddie, because at
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  Speaker 4: that time the thing started clicking, that could possibly Maddie
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  Speaker 4: because she hadn't answered.
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  Speaker 2: Me all day long.
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  Speaker 4: And they said yes, and we said how and they
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  Speaker 4: said we can't.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Here's a card called this person in the morning, and
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  Speaker 4: we're like, should we go down there?
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  Speaker 2: Said no. I said what are we supposed to do?
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  Speaker 2: What do we do? And he said, just call in
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  Speaker 2: the morning.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to I feel like I'm seeing it all
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  Speaker 1: play out right in front of me right now. I
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  Speaker 1: remember I was holding this big stack of school books.
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  Speaker 1: I had just come out of a statistic exam, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember dumping, just dropping everything, and it was so unreal.
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  Speaker 1: You said, he ran out into the yard. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember that moment? Where did you think you were going?
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  Speaker 1: What were you going to do?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I actually ran to my bedroom and I just as
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  Speaker 4: soon as I saw that sheriff call up, I just
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  Speaker 4: I was I don't know, I don't know what it was.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to hear it. I was running away.
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  Speaker 4: I just ran back to that room, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just I was crying and it just all hit
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  Speaker 4: me like this is not a weird situation. This isn't
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  Speaker 4: and you know, Kylee's gone, even though I had know,
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  Speaker 4: like I knew all day, but I didn't know. It
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  Speaker 4: was just hard to explain, but in my heart I
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  Speaker 4: felt it and it was just the finality, like this
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  Speaker 4: officer is here and he's here for a reason, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And it just it was your whole body hurts, like
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  Speaker 4: everything just aches, like your fingertips, your your toes, your knees,
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  Speaker 4: you get shaky, like that really happens, like the shaking
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  Speaker 4: and the knees, and it's real. And I think at
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  Speaker 4: that point I went into shop, and I think that
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  Speaker 4: shock lasted for quite a while for me. I don't
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  Speaker 4: remember a whole lot after that. I have pretty big
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  Speaker 4: gaps my memory.
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  Speaker 1: Steve, do you remember her running running to the bedroom
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  Speaker 1: and hiding when the LA Law enforcement came up the driveway?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember her running that way.
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  Speaker 5: Aubrey went up the steps and she went on her
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  Speaker 5: computer and she started. We just at first, we thought
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  Speaker 5: of it was just like a rumor, some drama, some
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  Speaker 5: fake thing amidst college town parties happened, kids do pranks.
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  Speaker 5: We thought there was something else going on, at least
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  Speaker 5: I did. That's why we're like, if the cop shows up,
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  Speaker 5: then you know that's not a prank, that's this is
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  Speaker 5: something serious. And even then I still couldn't fully understand what.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you don't know what death is unless you're
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  Speaker 5: familiar with it, and we weren't. This family hadn't been
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  Speaker 5: struck like that. So yeah, we missed that door right
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  Speaker 5: there behind us and opened that up, and there's a
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  Speaker 5: sheriff there I had never seen before in.
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  Speaker 6: My life and Coutney County car and.
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  Speaker 5: Thankfully he gave us a little bit more information than
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  Speaker 5: we had had at that point, and he cleared up
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  Speaker 5: the fact that it was a homicide or that, and
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  Speaker 5: Maddy was involved as well, And we knew Mattie's mom
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  Speaker 5: was on the way down there, so we were like,
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  Speaker 5: do we call her?
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  Speaker 6: Do we let her know that.
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  Speaker 5: They weren't going to they already told us, so we
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  Speaker 5: couldn't go down there and see them. We couldn't go
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  Speaker 5: down there and pick.
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  Speaker 6: Her up or anything like that. So mean's ongoing investigations.
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  Speaker 6: So we just sat in.
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  Speaker 5: The house and just thought of ways to get a
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  Speaker 5: hold of people that had been around the children in
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  Speaker 5: the last twenty forty eight hours and figure out going on.
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  Speaker 5: Was this some random act of violence?
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  Speaker 6: Was this what was this.
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  Speaker 2: Just shooting from a party? Was it the night?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I just you know, yeah, we just know people are
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  Speaker 5: saying it was betanol and you know, all the factors
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  Speaker 5: that would go around, so and you know, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: even tell us any details. I mean, it was months
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  Speaker 5: before we actually eve knew how they were killed, so
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  Speaker 5: it was very frustrating. We got the vandal alert that.
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  Speaker 6: Told us that there was four homicides.
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  Speaker 5: Before we even knew what was going on, So they
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  Speaker 5: knew before we knew.
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  Speaker 1: Just trying to imagine everything that you're saying, and the
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  Speaker 1: officer gives you a card when you go, well, what
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  Speaker 1: do we do because we'll just call them in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like a bank with bankers hours. You can
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  Speaker 1: get back to them in the morning. So what do
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  Speaker 1: you do all night long? When you have this knowledge?
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  Speaker 1: You can't go there, there's nothing you can do there.
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  Speaker 1: What do do you do that night?
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  Speaker 4: I did not sleep at all that night because after
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  Speaker 4: what we were, you know, going through. I also called
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  Speaker 4: Olivia and she lives down in La and she threw
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  Speaker 4: her kids in the car, and her and her husband
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  Speaker 4: jumped in the car and they drove up here. So
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  Speaker 4: they drove through the night. That was about five six
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  Speaker 4: o'clock at night when they left LA. It's a twenty
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  Speaker 4: hour drive, so you know, I was worried about them
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  Speaker 4: driving all night, you know as well, and I just
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  Speaker 4: couldn't sleep, and I just my mind just it went crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I went crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we knew that Gayle had mentioned being stopped, even
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: right up until the weeks that this had came up
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: to that, so I felt like we I kind of
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: wanted my family to be focused on something other than
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: just the devastation. So I was like, you're finding that information,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: get a hold of a neighbor. And the more information
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: that we found, it just felt like that was at
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: least something to grab, that's something we could control, go
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: away from just being victims to being investigators of what
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: happened to our child. And we did find out a
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: bunch of things that those forty eight hours from people
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: that were just reaching out and saying, hey, you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: this is what I know. I was right across the street,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: this is what's going on, Yeah, and were just looking there.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I remember what you said, Steve.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: Listen, within hours, within hours, we had your white car
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: on a camera.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: We knew, we knew from the very beginning, we had you.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: Police officers tell us within minutes they had your DNA
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: like a calling card. You were that careless, that foolish,
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: that's stupid, master degree.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: You're a joke, complete joke.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace. So at the very beginning, Steve and Christy,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you were already focusing or trying to focus off the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: pain and focus on what happened and finding the truth.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, because Jack actually wound up coming here because he
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: left Moscow and he came here, and.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Obviously he was there at the scene.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: And stuff, so he had heard what Dylan was seeing.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: So once he told us that because, like I said,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: the officer said that it was a homessidea were murdered.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: But then Dylan was saying, there was a mass man
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: in our house, and and you know, there was somebody
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: in the tree and all this stuff, and it quickly
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: was clear that this sounded like a stranger murder, you know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: not like somebody that knew or whatnot. So it really
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: changed things. It felt like a huge I mean just
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: a huge violation and we just were like, we've got
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: a murder that And at that time before I just
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: kind of thought they were going to get him. You know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: it was some kid he went and he shot up,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: shot up the house or something, and they got you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: he's walking down the street. And I just kept waiting
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: for the news to say they've rested somebody.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: They rested somebody.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: And when Jack told us that, I was kind of like,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: you know, this sounds a little different than whatever we're
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: thinking type of murder.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you're right, because we were all led
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to believe Steve and Chris say that, oh they died
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: in their sleep. That is not what happened at all.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Steve, you don't expect the prosecutor to lie to you,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: and we were lied to. All the parents were lied to.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: We weren't given the details. They're asking us to make
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: a decision on life or death, and they're not even
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: given us the details of our own children, let alone
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: the whole.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: Circumstance of what happened to them. I know for a fact.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: That's when one of the mothers heard what happened to Kayley,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: she said, this would have changed everything. So it was disgusting.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: You know, and they kept saying stuff like crime of
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: passion and ounce or a party house. We're like, what's
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: going on here. I'm literally watching the surveillance of this
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: this road and this car keeps flying around this house
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: over and over again.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: They were clearly stocked. I don't care what the prosecutor.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Maybe he can't prove it because he can't. He's just
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: not that good. But they were clearly stocked. He was
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: there multiple times. The officers were distracted with given miners
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: and possessions when they really when they're literally filming the
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: house that these kids get murdered in. I mean, it's
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: that town has to clear up some priorities and realize that,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: you know, noise complaints and alcohol is only a part
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: of their job, and they need to make sure that
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: they're protecting these kids if they if they want to
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: keep doing business.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I was stunned when I heard there was going to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: be a plea. I remember the moment, I'm like, what
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a plea? I want to circle back to something you said, okay, Kelly,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and we heard dribbles about this at the beginning, had
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: stated that she was being stalked, okay, but then the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: prosecution says there was no stalking. We have no evidence
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: of stalking. I mean, how many times can we place
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that Elantra stalking the king wrote address and Kelly knew
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: she was being stalked. So that is a lie. You stated,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the DA lied to you. I believe that because there
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: was no way the parent all the parents would have
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: acted like they were going along with this plea if
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they had known what we're learning now with all these
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: videos and body cam and crime scene photos coming out,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that is not what everybody was told happened.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thirteen incidents assue before this individual was let go
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: or defunded, whatever that, whatever spin these universities want to
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: put on it. This guy was a nightmare, throwing up
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: red flags everywhere. And those are the type of details
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: that we gotta. We got to force our courtrooms to
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: be more honest, and we shouldn't be seling things up
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: in a case like this. I mean, it's not national security,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: it's getting abused. They're abusing.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: These rules that they say, oh, we got to protect.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: They didn't have anyone to protect.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: They didn't even have the guy until almost seven weeks
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: and they were still hiding everything.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: So it was just a lie. And you know when
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: you call.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: What were they hiding?
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: Just telling us our child was stabbed brutally? You know
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: how many times?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: How many times?
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: We just learned the day or the day before the sentencing,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: how many times Kaylie had been stabbed?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: White a minute. I am stunned because she was stabbed
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so many times they could not identify her, and you
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: just learned about that when the plea was set to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: go down.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: We learned about it after.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: The plea the day before the sentencing because they lifted
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: the gag orders.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: So the detective said that they would.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Talk to us.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: So we talked to them briefly, and we had questions
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: about Kaylee. You know, how many times was she stabbed?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, none of that's not in her on her
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: death certificate. The coroner never told us. She just said
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: around twenty is what she said. So we really didn't know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: and we didn't know where. So we asked them that
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and they told us they told us thirty eight times,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: and then we were like okay, and they said Kaylie
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: had really bad damage to her mouth, and I asked
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: them if her teeth were intact, and they told me no.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: And then the day of the sentencing, the docs were dropped.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: The Moscow docs were dropped, and the next day we
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: were driving home and I was reading some of them
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: and I read that Kaylee was they couldn't yeah, unrecognizable,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: and that was that word the will forever like trauma
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: traumatized me.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't expect that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: And then to read another report that said the same thing, unrecognizable,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: and then to read a third report that said he
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: wasn't sure what he was really looking at because the
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: facial structure had been so badly damaged.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: So that's why we were discussed with this prosecution team.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, and we did not know any of that
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: for two years and nine months. We did not know
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that because of.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: The GAD order.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: And they're telling us, are you okay with us giving
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: them life in prison? We're like, no, we're not. And
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: the people who are they don't know what we know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: and we don't know what they know. I don't know
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: what happened to their child. They don't know what happened
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: to mine. It was a protective business over the victims,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: over justice. We're still fighting with it. I mean, we're
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: still fighting with it to this day because we're hearing
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: details that he was following girls out to their car,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: and one of the professors said that this guy's going
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: to be a problem that he gets his PhD. He's
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: going to harass students, he's going to freaking abuse his power.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: All the things that we suspected that were going on.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: We find this out afterwards while they go on a
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: media tour. They only told us so they could go
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: do a media tour and tell all you guys. So
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: they're like, well, we have to tell them before we
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: tell the world. So basically, twelve hours earlier, they tell us,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: and then they grab a microphone and tell the world
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: that's what happened.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm just so stunned at how this was, how
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: this went down on you. And there's something about the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: victim's face, because I know I'm projecting. Keith was shot
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: five times in the neck, the face, the back, and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I tried not to think about it because it throws
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: me into a horrible depression because I think about the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: bullets tearing through his face. He had these beautiful blue eyes,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and I wonder were they shot, what happened? Did he
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: feel it when you learned how many times she had
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: been stabbed in the face? Were you full of rage?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Were you full of tears. What went through your mind
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: when you learned the truth too late?
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: So we actually learned all the truth from her autopsy report,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: and we were given her autopsy report.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: On a thumb drive during the sentence.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: The investigator walked into the courtroom that day and said,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: and we had to arranged that, and he said, here's
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: the autops report. So in reading that autops report, we
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: found out that Kaylie had been stabbed twenty four times
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: to her face and head. She had eleven to her chest,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: neck and like torso area, and three to her upper extremities.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: So I thought about her eyes too. I was like,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: was her eyes stabbed? But somehow or another, Kaylie's eyes
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: had not been stabbed. Kaylee did have really bad facial damage.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: She or some of her teeth were we're missing, several
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: were broken, and she had two subdural hematomas to her head, so.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Her nose was broken badly.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So that for me, it was outrage because my
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: daughter was fighting up to her very last breath over
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: and over. She kept trying to get out of that
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: bed and he was just drilling her and she's fighting
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: for her last breath. And I got this old Santa Claus,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: who's just thrown out a white towel, just saying, oh,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: let's just make it all go away. And I want
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: these type of killings to stop, and you don't do
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: that with weak prosecutors.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: And this man is extremely bad at his job.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: And just yesterday we asked AI what are the safest
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: countries in the world, And out of the top ten,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: every single one.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Of them have the death penalty.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Well eight of them have the capital So for somebody
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: to think that capital murder doesn't work, well, the safest
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: countries in the world use it, and they don't use
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: it like how we are in America. It's just a
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: bargaining chip.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Idaho has it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: But our guys have been there for a long time
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: and we knew, we knew this wasn't going to happen fast.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: He was going to be on death row. It's the principle.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: He deserves to ultimately die. Now, maybe he's going to
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: die of natural causes or just because he gets old
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: in there, but we were hoping because they just brought
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: back to the firing squad that here, and I know
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: things were going to pick back up and they were
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: going to start, you know, executing these murderers and these criminals.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: That are on death row.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: But we knew it wasn't going to be anytime soon.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: We didn't think they were just going to take him
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: out back and shoot him. I mean, that would be great.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: But even if it was exactly how they told us,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: they were just sleeping in their beds, they probably never
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: even woke up, and they were just stabbed.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: To death, little package of bow.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: On it, we still would have wanted the death penalty,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: you know, we still would We wanted it from the
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: very beginning.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: As soon as we found out that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: They were is that you were led to believe, Christy,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: did they Because that's what I was led to believe.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: That they were attacked in their sleep and they were
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: basically dead before they could even wake up.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Yes, And then they went to those parents and said,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: this is what it is. Do you want to make
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: a deal. I mean, that's what it is. No, they
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: didn't know little shoes punch or face was crushed in,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: or teeth or not. They didn't give those just because
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: they knew it would be enraging and then they would.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: Have a problem. So the truth was a problem. Truth
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: was a problem for the prosecutor, and I don't like it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: I don't like it one bit.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: You stated that you are still fighting about it. Number one,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: God bless you and give you strength because you're going
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to need it for the rest of your life. You
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: were going to be scrutinized, you were going to be followed,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you were going to be photographed. Everything you say is
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: going to be parsed and analyzed and attacked. But you
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: said you're still fighting.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: How trying to get We're still trying to get them
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: to release documentation. They told us that when as soon
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: as we were out of court, they were going to
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: give us all of the discovery. Just two days ago
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: they sent us an email and said, no, that we
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: have to go through it as.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: The the freedom of information at it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And we were in a meeting with you are kidding me,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: They're making you file a four your request for the documents.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, these people don't.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Two days ago because we kept saying where's our because
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: they told us they would.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Give it to us, They said that we'll give you
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: all a discovery and Channon.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Said they're not going to have to go dig for
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: it and get in line with everybody else, and they
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: said no, no, no, no, no, nope, we'll give it
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: to them, and we keep on asking, and then two
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: days ago, beyond email said you're just gonna here's the
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: links you need to get on here and you need
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: to file these forms and these requests and there you go, which.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Which I did.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: And then it came back and said we can't find
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: any records on Kayle. And I was like, all right, guys,
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: tell me what department FBI has, Like, let's you see
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: over ten and it's probably closer to twenty.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: And I didn't know what department.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I went for Criminology, Justice, I believe is where I
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: did for you, and they said this is the wrong department.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: So I went back to them and said, can you
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: at least tell me what department I'm getting a Freedom
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: of Information Act on? And they're like, uh, we don't
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: have anyone to even talk to you to.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Know, so they don't even know. And I'm like, you
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: guys are clowns. You guys are clowns.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: This you should be you should embarrassed to be this
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: bad at your job. And I'll hold you accountable. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: I think every family, when you lose your child, you
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: have to like expect the most when you're talking about.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: Life and death.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: You have to you have to take charge situation. There's
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: going to be a time for you to struggle and
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: be a victim. But if you can rally up and
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: then go into that system and say and demand justice
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: and demand that.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: Your child is treated as fair.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: As possible, and you'll feel better when it's all said
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: and done.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: You know, it's never going to bring them back.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: And I literally had a judge scream at me, you're
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: we're not going to bring her back, and I was like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: I don't That's not what this is about.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: This is about you guys doing everything by the book.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: This is like you.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Judge told you you're not going to bring her back.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yelling at me, telling me he didn't want
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: me to talk to the media anymore. And I said, well,
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: that's that's not going to happen. I'm going to talk
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: to media every single time I want. He basically said,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: well then we'll never have a trial.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: He in a close hearing.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I can't believe. I judge told you how you're supposed
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to be and you can't bring her back. That is
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: not appropriate for a judge to tell a grieving parent
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you can't bring her back. Let's just let it go.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: It's not going to bring her back. It's not about
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: her back. It is about justice.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually said, he was talking. We all were
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: in the courtroom or on.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Zoom, all the families, and he actually said, and the
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: goods all this family, especially the dad needs to shut
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: his mouth.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And he said, I don't. I don't agree with that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: And he said, I don't care if you don't agree
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: with that. And Steve said, well, I mean, you know.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Me, I'm fighting for justice for my daughter.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: And he says, do you think that that you're going
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: to bring her back?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Doing this all is talking to the media is going
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: to bring her back? And Steve goes, no, I mean
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I know that that's not going to bring her back.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: But you know I still have a voice, you know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And well.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Does he get off saying it's not going to bring
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: her back to you who have lost your precious pearl.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And he is telling you to speak? Are you not
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to speak?
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: I mean I still had a son at that college.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: There was another victim's sister that went to WSU. We
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: had we had lives still on the line making sure
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: that that place was protected. And when we're sitting there saying, hey,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: we need to know the facts. We need to know
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: where they stop, what's going We have kids still going
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: to school here, and they're just like, no, you don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: have the right to know anything.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you say the other parents were duped? Do
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you think the other parents were duped? They didn't understand
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the facts where they agreed to that play.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: So the plea.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: They set up a meeting with us via zoom, our
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: whole family on a Friday afternoon.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It was like an hour and a half.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Long, and we talked about logistics of trial becauespecially of themecurity,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: where we're going to park, how we're going to have
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: to phone in every day and tell who's coming, and YadA.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: YadA, YadA YadA.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: Our car had already been vandalized in their parking.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Lot the Late Ada County, So we're like, how.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Do we make sure this doesn't happen anymore? Guys?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And ironically, that day that we went to court, there
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: was a bunch of pro Burgers on the other side
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: sitting behind Brian doing this and hmmm on the camera
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: and or we vandalized.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: We're like, so, speaking of.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: The pro Burgers, you know what I have in my hand,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: all of Coburger's complaints. I know it's kind of irrelevant.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: All that matters is Kelly is gone and her friends
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: are gone, and he murdered them, and we're paying for
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: his three hots and a cot. That's what matters. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: is there any way under God's son that it can
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: be fixed? But I find it ironic that he is
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: filing complaints that he is being threatened sex harassment through
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the air vent, like he was the one looking up
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: online attacking and raping women in their sleep, when they
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: were drugged, when they were passed out, when they were comatose.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: That's his fantasy. That's why he broke in that night
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: when he assumed the girls would be asleep. He's whining
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that Mommy, they're threatening me through the air vent and
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: there he's actually I love this one that he's complaining
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: about the food on his tray and his nutritional value
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: of his food, and he refers to bringing the food
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: like a butler. The service just hasn't been that hasn't
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: been that good.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: He's the property of Idaho now and he's going to
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: get worse.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: To you that. I, like you said, I think it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: very ironic. I'm like, you know, for him to get
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: there and so quickly start complaining and even throwing out
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: other inmates' names and CEO names. It's like you were
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: in prison. I mean, do you like this is not
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: his forte? I mean, his forte is to kill, but
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: not to be killed. You know, his forte is to
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: you know, possibly I mean he didn't rape any of
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: our kids, but possibly rape but not get raped. I mean,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: you know, it's good for the goose, is not good
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: for the gander here, you know. And I think it's
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: just so ironic that he is complaining with written complaints
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: and saying this inmate so and so so is doing
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: this to me and saying this to me and this,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: and and he expects them to come and save him.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, well they've they've been beating him, and we
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: paid our prisoners. And when when you become the property
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: of a state, you should lose your constitutional rights. You
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: shouldn't have all these rights as if you were a
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: tax paying citizen doing your best job, going to work
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: every single day. We got to we've got to fix
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: some of these things. And we have been talking with legislators,
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: you asking of us things that we've done. We're not
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: going to take this lightly. We're we're going to do
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: everything from a victim's perspective. We've become advocates and witnesses
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: for our kids, and we're trying to change it. And
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: I think you guys can see that that's that went
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: all the way down to you, my daughter in the
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: courtroom going after him and letting them know that we're
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: not just going to be victims that you can keep
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: down and keep trying to hurt, you know.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I do also think that they really up the Annie
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: taking them to prison, which is what we were hopeful for,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: because I think that lay Talk County Jail was a
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: kkewalk and then and then Ada maybe.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Got little Mayberry. It was myberry. I couldn't believe that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: this guy's kind of how a tablet. He can't watch movies,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: he can communicate with the outside world. I guarantee you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: just give it a minute until people think this has
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: died down. He is going to zoom at some symposium.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: He's going to be have this weird cult following like
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the pro Burgers. He can write a book.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: There's no son of Sam laws in Idaho. I don't
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: believe he can even get married. I mean, I feel
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: like running out in the street and screaming.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I think I just read somewhere the other day, which
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: I know I did, that does one of the Meninda's
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: brothers have a child?
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: Yes, he has a daughter.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Even your vander Slut, you know, Jorn vander Slute that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: murdered two young girls, murdered Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Tasciana
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Florides under similar circumstances as judge Daddy protected him. He's
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: had not one but two babies behind bars. He drinks,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: he does drugs, he smokes, he gambles. It's like an
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: insane But again, screw them and the horse they rode
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: in on. I want to talk about what, if anything,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: can be done now, starting with do you believe the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: other families were duped? If they had known the truth,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: would they have gone along with the plea?
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I can't say one hundred percent.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, I don't want to speak on
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: behalf of them by any means.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: But I don't.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Think that the other families necessarily wanted the truth.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: They didn't want to be lied to, but they didn't
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: want details. And we did.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: We weren't just like Okay, she was seventy at the round.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Twenty, We're like, how many you know where?
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: And because I do talk to Mattie's mom, and Maddie's
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: mom is like please please please, like I don't you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: so I don't say anything to her. When I speak
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: to her about you know, what happened, She's like, I
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: don't read that stuff. I don't I don't watch it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Our thing is we have kids, you know.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: We have two that are older, we have two that
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: are younger, and you can't tell them this day on
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: social media for the rest of their lives. And I
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: don't want one of them opened up TikTok and seeing
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: cremsy photos of their sister or bodycam.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: So we were like, we're trying to stay one ahead.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: And as a mother, even if I didn't have children,
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: I would still as much as it has traumatized me,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: I would still want to know what happened.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I want I want to know what happened.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Top to body Christy, isn't it true? You basically got
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: an email saying, hey, we got a deal.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Yes on a Sunday Sunday afternoon. They sent it at
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: four fifty three pm. We happen to see what happened
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: to be checking his email a little later, around six
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: or so.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And he said what and we lost our minds.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: We immediately emailed them and said we need to talk
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: like now, like what has this been sent yet?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Have you offered it yet? What is going on?
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: They sent us an email the next morning and said
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: we can meet at three today and we said, you
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: didn't answer, has this been sent already? And they said yes,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: it was sent yesterday evening to the defense. And so
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: we met with them at three that day on Monday,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: and the plea had already been accepted, and we lost
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: our minds.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: We were in that meeting.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: I mean we were screaming, we were cussing, we were yelling,
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: we were.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Saying why did you do this? How did you do this?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: You know what happened?
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: you know, you had every anticipation of taking this all
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: the way. We talked about port I mean we talked
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: about a plea deal for like a like a second
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: and he just said, oh, I think that they might
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: be wanting one, but we have no reason to give
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: them one.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: You know, why would we? And we're like, yeah, right,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: why would we?
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: And he said, how do you guys feel about a
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: plea deal, and we're like no, no, no, no, no
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: no no.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Boom moved on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he accepted the plea deal within the same hour
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: that he got it. This man never wanted to fight
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: for our children, literally, I mean it. They fought for
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: their lives, for their very last breath, and this man
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: had no fighting it.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: They fought hard all.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: The way to the end, and he gave up within
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: an hour of being given an opportunity.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: To quit on these kids.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: And that's the kind of prosecutor that you got to
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: get you. You got to get him out. You got
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: to get real prosecutors in Idaho. We've got some jobs
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: to do. We got some work to do there.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to have a prosecutor that if you're
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: in depth inally state believes in capital punishment.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: It's not your will, the victims will. If they don't
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: want it, then fine. But we had four people and Bill.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Thompson has never talked to us since that phone that
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: zoom meeting that we had, and we were just like,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I can't believe that you did that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: You man. He's never talked to you since he's been
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: all over the media. But he hasn't talked to you.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: When we did get a briefing, it was from the investigator,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: the two investigators, and.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Ashley Jennings the deputy, but Bill Tump because I mean
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: we were going after him. I mean, our whole family
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: was in different media windows and we were all just
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: coming at here.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: We were just like Bell, like how could you do this?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: So this guy did not have the balls to talk
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: to you after the deal because he knew he had
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: done the wrong thing.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, did you at least get some details?
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: Did you at least get find out about the kill kid,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: the knife, anything? You go, Steeve, we will never get
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: those details. You're never going to get those details. It's
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: not important.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: He's just going to lie to us.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: And I said, you are absolutely idiot. You have no
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: idea who this person is. He is going to write
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: a book and I'm going to learn about the sickest details.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Through his profit book.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: Through its sister, or through some professor, whatever way he
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: does it.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: I'm going to hear about him. And you're an idiot
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: for not even knowing who. You're dealing with.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What do you believe Coburger's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: motive was not that the state needs to prove it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they kept talking about we can't
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: prove motive. It doesn't matter. You don't have to prove
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: motive in a murder case. But what do you believe
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: was his motive?
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I think that he had been watching either Kailee or Maddie,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: and I don't think the others were involved, and that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: why he went straight up to that room. That house
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: is so confusing. It's just just a build on from hell.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: They just built on and built on and built on
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: throughout the years. So it is a very confusing floor plan.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: And we know that he went in there very quickly.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: He wasn't you know. He went in and he went out.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: And.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: He may have tried to walk into Keailee's room first,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: we don't know.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: And Keeley's mid was empty, so he's like, I'm going
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: into Xantas or Maddie's. And maybe he went into Maddi's
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: and then got mad because Keaylee woke up and was like, oh,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: there's two in here. But I think it was some
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: sort of an obsession, some sick, sick, twisted, you know, stalking.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe he hated one of them, Maybe it was both.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I think it was hate.
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: There was no blood on Kayley's door, so that would.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: Lead us to believe he went there first, opened the
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: door seeing the dog or seeing something, and then said, okay,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: there's nobody here. Then he went to Then I'm thinking
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: he went to ADDIE's room. And you don't see blood
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: on that door, but the other door downstairs they do
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: see blood on it, So I think that was We're
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: just going through this reverse engineering it. We've talked to
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: detectives and things like that now and we believe that
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: that's that's explains who he was going for, and he
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: definitely stopped them. He stopped multiple girls on that hillside.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: He's a copycat killer and he just was really poor
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: at it. And I mean you could look at his handwriting.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: He might be a PhDe student and Sylvania, but he
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: would have.
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: Had a wee harder time out here. I mean he
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: looked like a little kid, like a little fifth grader
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: write in that paper. So I can't believe that.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: That's Guys, why do you think everybody is attacking Dylan
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: and Bethany acting like they did something wrong or even
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: part of the murtyrs. It's insane.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I hate it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: We absolutely hate it, and it just I fear and
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: these girls are so young and for them to have
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: to deal with this.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: For for forever.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm not going to say that the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: events that occurred that night were strange. Do we think
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: they were involved in anyway?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: No?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Could they have saved the kids if they were there,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: called nine one one right then and there. No. But
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, but you you know, when you go.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Into fear, you go into that fight or fight mode,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: and maybe that was they thought.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: They flew, you know, and they cut up together. It
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: was very clear.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Interesting about what you said when you were talking about
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: you saw the LA law enforcement come up in your driva,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you ran to the bedroom. That I mean, it's hard
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: to explain in the heat of the moment, the fog
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: of war, why anybody does anything that they do. Why
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: did I throw all my books down? I don't know
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: why I did that? Why did you run to the bedroom?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Why does anybody do anything? And attacking
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: those girls is just like more victimization, another thing I know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you've got to go. I find it really interesting that
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Washington State had this long history of his anti woman,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: misogynist stalking behavior. And did nothing. That's really interesting. If
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: he had been thrown out, he wouldn't have even been
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: there exactly.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: Yep, he should have been thrown out before he ever
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: killed these kids. That's the truth.
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: They should have set a standard and said it, Look,
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: we don't put up with this in our university. You
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: cross the line, you're done. It's not even our decision,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: it's just your behavior. We're holding you accountable. You should
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: behave like this. That's the expectations in Washington State University.
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: And you either do it or you don't.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, he had thirteen in the first semester. The
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: first one came in August, that's the first month that
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: you come.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: To school, and then twelve twelve after and.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: November I had a huge you know, Thanksgiving break, and
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: then he didn't even go the whole month of December.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: He took off, like December ninth or tenth, and there's
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: thirteen formal complaints.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: What were they doing?
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Just do with it?
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Following them, stalking them, just being would kind of act
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: aggressive and stand in doorways from what we've read, and
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: the girls.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Would have to like walk past them, and like all right, yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: Guy should have been punched in the face. He was
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: a creep man. He's a disgusting creep the kind of guy.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: We even heard about it from the Seventh Iron's bar
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: where those girls put a little note saying, Hey, if
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: you get this credit card, watch out for this guy.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's been doing this his whole life and
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: we didn't stand up to him. We need to start
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: standing up to these type of bullies. And hopefully Idaho
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: get it right. Hope hopefully this prisoner's in there, they'll
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: they'll do the real justice.
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: They'll they'll have like real.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: Men in there, and they'll handle it the way that
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: it should be handled in the first place.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Is there any way in your mind that this plea
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: can be reversed or any way that the fans may
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: seek the federal death penalty.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: We've heard that and we've seen that a lot of
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: people have reached out to us instead that you know,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: this can happen. But we don't understand why it was
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: a federal in the first place. I mean, he crossed
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: the lines to Killy, we drove from Washington. I know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: we never understood why it wasn't a federal case in
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: the first place.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: But just like it's don I've another question because a
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: lot of crime victims are watching me right now. Do
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: you ever feel Kelly's presence with you?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: I do, not as much as I would like, but
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: once in a great while I do.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because you know, like you're outside in.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: A little ladybuggle, you know, a ladybug will land on
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: you and you're like, oh, you know, it's buck and
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: then you're like, lady bug.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: So lady bugs really get me because it's not that
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: common that a ladybug will land on you.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: But Kaylee was a bug.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: She was our bug k bug and we all just
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: recently got lady bug tattoos.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: But lady bugs are very special and I feel like,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: you know. And then here's another thing, is Kaylee was
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: she loves Stitch when she was a little when she was.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: Born, Stitch just came out the cartoon Stitch the Disney
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: and so we bought her everything Stitch Stitch, Stitch, Stitch, Stitch,
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: And it's very ironical.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Since Kaylee passed away, Stitch has been kind of brought back.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: They've done a new movie with Stitches, their Stitch stuff everywhere.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: So we'll be in the sore of this and that
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: we'll be like, and you'll see the most ironic little
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: stitch figure or stitch stuff animal in this whole mess
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: of other stuff animals in this little stitch face, and we'll.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Be like, oh my god, scally scaily, you know.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Just and in the strangest places you'll find a stitch
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: small or big or big one or something and it's
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: just like gaily, so stitch and ladybugs.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Guys, how do you speak with a straight face? How
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: do you keep being so strong? I'm looking at Steve
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Gonsalmus and his face is like granite. How do you
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: stay so strong?
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: Because it's so important and I love our country, I
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: love the state of Idaho.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: I want things to get better.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: I don't want these kind of sick goes to prosper
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: and for us to for us.
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: To win, we need real leaders.
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: We need men and real strong women who can stand
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: up to these people. I'm making them, I'm raising them.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: I got some of the strongest girls in the freaking world,
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: and he killed one of them.
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: Hold them accountable. I feel like we've got a job
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: And I think if parents get a little more proactive
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: and be a little bit more vocal, towards that prosecution.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: They can force the media to help hold them accountable.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: And I really believe that the government works for us.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: I believe that government is servitude. You go in to serve,
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: You don't go in there for your own opinion. You
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: might not believe in the death penalty, we don't care.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: It's the victims and their families. That's what you should
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: be negotiating for. You're their vote, You're proxying their will
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: through into the courtroom, and I think the court's lost
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: that and we're going to try to bring that back.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a reason why we took our daughter
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: to Texas. She had a full scholarship. We've said, you're
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: going to Texas because they honor their victims. They do
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: everything in their power. Florida's another not that we're going
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: to have another victim.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: No, no, not happy.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, and these are
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: not just empty words, but I want you to know,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: from the beginning, the very beginning, you are the focus
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: of so many prayers for you, for your children, for Kelly,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: not just for what you have endured, but what you
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: will endure. And I want to thank you so much
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: for being with us, thank you.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: Thank you for your audience.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,