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Why You Should NEVER Bring Laundry Inside At Night (w Raihan Yacob) · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: As I was about to tell her, do you want
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  Speaker 1: to go and pee? This is what I hear coming
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  Speaker 1: from the back door.
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  Speaker 1: My name is
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  Speaker 2: Raihan. My name is, my name is Wayne. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired
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  Speaker 2: by the classic horror series. We explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us this evening is another one of only 3
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  Speaker 2: guests who has been on all 4 seasons of the show.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair though, for the 1st 2 seasons, he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a guest.
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  Speaker 2: But our co-host. Reihan Yaacob has worked in everything from
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  Speaker 2: producing and presenting to fitness and nutrition these days. He
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  Speaker 2: runs his own horror podcast. Are You Afraid of Ghosts? Reihan,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back, man.
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  Speaker 2: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so good to be back. Oh yeah, I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's his podcast. Oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. There's a question. Are you afraid of ghosts?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. Are you afraid of ghosts? I am. Don't lie.
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  Speaker 2: You're not scared of ghost.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, actually that is a good question. Right, are
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  Speaker 2: you afraid of ghosts? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's funny because when I came up with that, uh, title, um,
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  Speaker 1: I was 50/50 about it, but the more I do,
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  Speaker 1: the more I am. It came to a point that
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  Speaker 1: I am, I am, so I'm, I'm guaranteed I am.
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  Speaker 2: So what, OK, you just started, right? So by season two,
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  Speaker 2: are you gonna change the title to I Am Afraid
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  Speaker 2: of Ghosts?
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  Speaker 2: It is funny.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just gonna keep it exclusive because I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna ask,
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  Speaker 2: are you
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  Speaker 1: afraid of
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  Speaker 2: ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but of course you know my answer.
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  Speaker 2: You ask me, am I afraid of the ghosts, right,
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  Speaker 2: like an idea? No, because I, I believe that if
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  Speaker 2: you are a good person, they cannot hurt you. They
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  Speaker 2: cannot harm you. I believe in ghosts, but I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I should be afraid of them, but that's the thing,
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  Speaker 2: like the thing that scares me it's not that they
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  Speaker 2: can harm me, you know, not, not that they can
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  Speaker 2: like you or what, but, but it's more of like
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  Speaker 2: they will like they will scare you, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: not really about the harming. I know they won't harm me,
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like, OK, for me.
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  Speaker 2: Like, to me it's a jump scare only. Like, then
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  Speaker 2: you're like, OK, then what? Like will you die? But
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  Speaker 2: you won't die. What it's like you, you got scared,
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  Speaker 2: but you won't die. Yeah, I mean, at most you
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  Speaker 2: pee in your pants, but nothing bad will really happen.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas like for me, the, the real fear is things
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  Speaker 2: that are beyond ghosts, you know what I mean, like humans, like, no, yes, well, yes,
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  Speaker 2: but like demonic and yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: True,
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  Speaker 2: true,
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  Speaker 1: yeah, but yes, I'm so happy to be back. So
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  Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me again. Really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: it. Yeah, yeah, you have to be every season. I
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  Speaker 2: think it will become a thing. If you don't bring
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  Speaker 2: you back, then they will have to tradition.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: So as the new kid on the blog, Reihan will
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  Speaker 2: share with us what it's like to break out on
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  Speaker 2: a horror podcast of his own and of course, share
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  Speaker 2: some of the ghost stories.
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  Speaker 2: He has collected since we last spoke. This episode was
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  Speaker 2: inspired by the classic Incredible Tales episode, Breakstage. Alright, so
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  Speaker 2: to set the stage a little bit, horror books have
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  Speaker 2: been around for centuries, horror films have been around for
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  Speaker 2: almost as long as cinema. Horror podcasts, however, are more recent.
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  Speaker 2: In Singapore, our horror podcasts have grown alongside radio shows
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  Speaker 2: like Mystery Dump Do Blast for over 10 years. But
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  Speaker 2: what was the first horror podcast that each of you
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  Speaker 2: remember listening to?
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  Speaker 2: I'm very, very passionate about horror podcasts. I started listening
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  Speaker 2: to my first horror podcast in 2015, which is like
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago. Uh, strangely enough, not on, not
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast platform, more on YouTube. Uh, the American
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  Speaker 2: Wave came first, uh, with a whole bunch of, uh,
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  Speaker 2: like no no face, uh, narrators online. They don't show
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  Speaker 2: their face, they just narrate by this guy called Cop's Husband.
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  Speaker 2: He was really good. His voice was super low, like, like, fuck,
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  Speaker 2: can you try like as low as you can.
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  Speaker 2: As low as I can. I think even lower than that,
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  Speaker 2: like he was super low and then he does like
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  Speaker 2: two-hour long narration of ghost stories, but particularly uh of
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  Speaker 2: this subgenre where it's Park Rangers ghost stories. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: like Park Rangers, they won't like in America, then it's
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  Speaker 2: very secluded and then they see weird things like stories like.
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  Speaker 2: If you see a staircase in the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: forest run, that means there's a, there's a dark entity there.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you see like a, like just a staircase,
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  Speaker 2: like then a lot of trees are just one staircase.
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  Speaker 2: There's a Handu there. There's a stairway to heaven. I
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  Speaker 2: was about to say to hell, to hell, to hell, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that was my, my first, yeah. What was it again? Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: the name, Corp's husband, Cops. Yeah, he's retired already lah,
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  Speaker 2: but his, his account is still there, so you can listen.
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  Speaker 2: It's very scary. Uh, there's this show, um, very good.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Ghost Maps. Oh, I'm kidding, I'm kidding I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 2: The Eurasian guy though, he's quite, he's quite scared, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Eurasian guy as if only one Eurasian guy.
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  Speaker 2: I kind, I kind of like being called unk now
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  Speaker 2: I have to say um.
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  Speaker 2: I think the first one I ever listened to was
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Night Vale. I mean, it's more, it's more
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  Speaker 2: weird than horror, lah. It's like a lighter version of, I'm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm probably getting the description wrong lah, but it's like
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  Speaker 2: a lighter version of The X-Files where it's just weird
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  Speaker 2: stuff that's been happening and then the radio station is
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  Speaker 2: kind of reporting on all the weird stuff that's been
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  Speaker 2: happening in the town itself. I remember really enjoying that.
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  Speaker 2: That was horror fiction.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember what was the first non-fiction one I
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  Speaker 2: listened to. I listened I listened to non-fiction here and there,
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  Speaker 2: but I think when it comes to horror for podcasts,
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  Speaker 2: I'm mostly looking at the fictional stuff. The first podcast,
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  Speaker 2: I was only introduced to podcasts in like 2019 when
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  Speaker 2: I was in when I was serving national service. So
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  Speaker 2: back then it was like, OK, let's go. Then afterwards,
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  Speaker 2: and then I got to know Malam Seralavi, the the
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  Speaker 2: the show that Casey does right now, right?
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  Speaker 2: But then if you're talking about like when I was young, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it has always been like the radio show for me
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  Speaker 2: like it's Mrs. Jamdo Blast lah. It was like my
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  Speaker 2: best buddy. Every night I must listen to it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's just that it's horror. I'm not that kind of person.
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  Speaker 1: I won't scare myself, so it's usually my siblings who
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  Speaker 1: will listen to um MG Blast, especially at 12 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'll switch off the radio because I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to hear it and I had to switch it
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  Speaker 1: on again and then, you know, the, the quarrel happens.
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  Speaker 1: But then it got to me because, um, somehow or
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  Speaker 1: other back then the, uh, Casey had a very good
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  Speaker 1: way of really telling the story, his voice and all that.
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  Speaker 1: So I got into it and then that was when
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  Speaker 1: I followed through, uh, stories from him and then of
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  Speaker 1: course as more podcasters, uh, come into light, so that's
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  Speaker 1: why I get to also hear different styles from different people.
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  Speaker 2: Mystery jump really is something else. It was, it was
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  Speaker 2: like it was super huge. I've been feeling Malay in
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  Speaker 2: primary 2, but even then, right, even though I'm not
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  Speaker 2: the target audience, I would hear about it constantly. I,
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  Speaker 2: I knew what mystery jump Duo Blast was before we
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  Speaker 2: even started this. I knew what it was before we
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  Speaker 2: even started our own podcast and everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so it's, it's just, yeah, it really is one
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  Speaker 2: of those shows that has made such a huge impact,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm not wrong, that is one of those shows
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  Speaker 1: that actually, uh, were, it was one of those radio
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  Speaker 1: shows that actually was very centered towards horror, and then
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  Speaker 1: it gave birth to many more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, the, the style like I, I,
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  Speaker 2: I listened to it, um, for research purposes and like.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, even though my Malay is, is very, very bad,
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  Speaker 2: but I could understand what he was saying and I
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  Speaker 2: could understand what he was trying to emote, and I think, uh,
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  Speaker 2: for his kind of show, uh, it's best enjoyed when
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  Speaker 2: it's live. There's just something about listening to it. I,
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  Speaker 2: and I tried it on one Thursday night, wow, it
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  Speaker 2: was so good, and the man works magic. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's he's he's he's he's my idol.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, so, Reihan, uh, why did you want to create
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  Speaker 2: your own horror podcast? And of course, you know, for
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of everyone, please share with us some ghost
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  Speaker 2: stories that you have gathered.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. OK. Um, the reason why I wanted to start off, ah,
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  Speaker 1: my own podcast was because when I, after season one
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  Speaker 1: and season two of Tales from Incredible Tales, um, you
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  Speaker 1: know how I, I used to share that I never liked.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, doing horror and then I, I accidentally do horror
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  Speaker 1: because of this and then I don't wanna really meddle
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  Speaker 1: into horror and then as time goes by, and then
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  Speaker 1: after the two seasons ended for me, um, what's unique
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  Speaker 1: about Tales from Incredible Tales is that it, the, the
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  Speaker 1: love for Tales from Incredible Tales never dies. Recently, I
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  Speaker 1: just met a couple of people who identified me from
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, Are you Royhan? I say, uh, yes, I am.
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  Speaker 1: Are you from the podcast? Uh, which podcast? The Hantu.
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  Speaker 1: The Hantu, The Incredible Tales. Oh yeah, yeah. So that's
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  Speaker 1: when I realized people do still support horror content, especially
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  Speaker 1: coming from Incredible Tales, and many of them actually ask, uh,
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  Speaker 1: why aren't you doing ghost stuff anymore? Like, as if,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm a ghost hunter.
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  Speaker 1: And then, and then it got me thinking for quite
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  Speaker 1: a while, uh, I think this is the identity that
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  Speaker 1: I've already built.
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  Speaker 1: And then it is, uh, I don't wanna just depart
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  Speaker 1: from it, uh, wholly. Also, I have stories to tell, uh,
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  Speaker 1: stories from, uh, people around me, for myself that I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, oh man, I don't have the platform anymore
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  Speaker 1: to share and I wanna find a platform where I
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  Speaker 1: can
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  Speaker 1: Really sit down and tell my own stories. Now, I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a good storyteller. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I am good at giving out proper stories. that is
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  Speaker 1: still developing. But then initially when I first started out
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  Speaker 1: the podcast I thought nobody would listen to this, but
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  Speaker 1: recently I just want to share that I've just reached
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  Speaker 1: My 1000 subscribers and my 50,000 plays in a short
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  Speaker 1: period of time. So I am really, uh, I'm surprised
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  Speaker 1: by the support that was that has that came in
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  Speaker 1: from for the podcast and, uh, that was when I realized, hey,
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  Speaker 1: actually people do listen to me lah. So I just
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  Speaker 1: have to really keep on going and, uh, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: when I get the motivation to continue. And the more,
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  Speaker 1: the more stories I have, right, the more exciting it is, lah, yeah, because, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's
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  Speaker 1: fun.
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  Speaker 2: You've come so far. But, but, but now he's fun,
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  Speaker 2: but it is fun, you know, like the fact that you,
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  Speaker 2: you're the one that does the storytelling and then people
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  Speaker 2: really get spooked or get scared. It's, it's like a satisfaction.
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  Speaker 2: That you cannot buy elsewhere. You get what I mean? Really, really,
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  Speaker 2: not really lah, but like I can see that he's
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  Speaker 2: very scary. No, but OK, I, I want to ask like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, do, do you, for me when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to telling the stories, right, the satisfaction I get right,
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  Speaker 2: is that moment where you see.
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  Speaker 2: When you reach a certain point in the story, then
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  Speaker 2: you see your audience face go oh like that yeah
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  Speaker 2: yeah
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  Speaker 1: yeah
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  Speaker 2: but
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  Speaker 2: when you're doing podcasting, you can't see that. Do you,
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  Speaker 2: do you still get that feeling of like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when people
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  Speaker 2: just
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  Speaker 1: go, I do, I do. I think, uh, it builds
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  Speaker 1: over time, uh, when you tell a story, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know that there will be one part where people
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  Speaker 1: go like, Oh my God, you know, like, oh, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, and then the comments come in, uh, so, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's mainly on Spotify, so.
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  Speaker 1: I can see the comments coming in. People comment about it.
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  Speaker 1: And then there was one time, so there is an
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  Speaker 1: episode I just recorded, uh, this one has a live audience.
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  Speaker 1: So actually apparently to be my cousins lah. They are
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  Speaker 1: just my cousins, but when I was doing it in
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  Speaker 1: front of my cousins, that reaction where I would expect
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  Speaker 1: it from them.
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  Speaker 1: I received exactly where I wanted it to to to
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  Speaker 1: come in. I'm like, hey, if, if I'm seeing reactions
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  Speaker 1: coming from my cousins, which means my listeners could have
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  Speaker 1: the same kind of reaction when they listen to the stories. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: so that was when, uh, you know, it brings me
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  Speaker 1: back here.
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  Speaker 1: When we first started out, when we tell stories, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's at the cemetery or anywhere, you know, whatever stories
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  Speaker 1: that come in, even when I go like, ah, I
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  Speaker 1: have a story, you know, that kind of thing, it
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  Speaker 1: makes people go
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  Speaker 2: like, oh, OK,
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  Speaker 1: here's
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  Speaker 2: a
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  Speaker 1: story, let's sit down and listen. So that's the beauty
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: So you went to Malacca, I'm, I'm pretty sure there's
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  Speaker 2: something happened there, right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh insider news. Ah, OK, let's go.
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  Speaker 2: OK,
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  Speaker 1: so recently I went to Malacca, uh, just as mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: this is my, my late grandma's kampong. So my late
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  Speaker 1: grandma has a house there and around the area, uh, my,
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  Speaker 1: my cousins and my aunt's houses as well. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a very shared space, uh, but at night it's very
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  Speaker 1: dark because it's a kampong area, although there's lights and
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  Speaker 1: all that.
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  Speaker 1: Now on that night, we actually just had a nice
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  Speaker 1: dinner and then we came back at around 10:30. When
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  Speaker 1: we came back, unfortunately, there was a blackout and then
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  Speaker 1: when we came back and there's a blackout, everyone, everywhere
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  Speaker 1: was was pitch dark, basically the lights were off and
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  Speaker 1: it's not just one area, it's like a large area
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  Speaker 1: of the kampong was had a blackout, so it was
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  Speaker 1: pitch black.
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  Speaker 1: So I asked my cousin when we reached, is it
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  Speaker 1: normal for this to happen? And then, uh, she said, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not normal, it just happened, maybe, maybe there was
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  Speaker 1: a short circuit somewhere lah. So they are actually fixing it.
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  Speaker 1: So when we came to the house, it was 10:30
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  Speaker 1: and just imagine this is in the kampong area, so
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  Speaker 1: it's very dark. Now thankfully, back then when we went over,
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  Speaker 1: we had a couple of people there. So we had
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  Speaker 1: our cousins, we had our aunts so, it was quite
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  Speaker 1: crowded lah.
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  Speaker 1: So we weren't really that scared, but it's just that
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  Speaker 1: we have to sit in the house in the dark
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  Speaker 1: and there's no fan, there's no light, so I was
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  Speaker 1: really I was depending on my uh shoulder fan.
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  Speaker 1: And a night fan sorry and also my phone torch
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  Speaker 1: to survive. So we, we were just seated there waiting
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  Speaker 1: for the lights to turn on. We don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do. I just happen to want to pee. I,
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  Speaker 1: I needed to pee and thankfully the toilet is in
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  Speaker 1: the house, so actually it's a small house, uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: a wooden house, no, it's not a wooden house. It's
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  Speaker 1: a concrete house. So the toilet is inside the house,
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  Speaker 1: so it's very easy to just go straight to the
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  Speaker 1: toilet and pee, but it's just that it's pitch black,
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  Speaker 1: so I got scared.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling my wife, I want to go pee,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go pee so badly, but I'm scared.
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  Speaker 1: And then, she said, uh, I can wait for you
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  Speaker 1: outside the door. I said, But you're scared. I know,
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  Speaker 1: but you need to pee, right? I need to pee too.
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  Speaker 1: So she said she needs to pee as well. So
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  Speaker 1: I said, OK, sure, let's, let's go pee. I'll go
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  Speaker 1: in first. I'll use my torch. I'll put it inside
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  Speaker 1: the toilet, and then I'll tell you wait outside. So
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  Speaker 1: I went in, I put my torch, and you just imagine,
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  Speaker 1: have you guys ever been to a toilet that's that dark,
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  Speaker 1: and then you just use a phone torch and pee?
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  Speaker 1: Please try.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I've done it before,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of vibe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if there's windows, usually and usually whenever that happens, right,
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  Speaker 2: I would wake up and then my bed is wet. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: OK.
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  Speaker 2: I'm mostly worried about. It took me a while. No,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I looked at you because I'm like you are way
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: too young to experience that.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I went in, uh, and then I did my business.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I left. I opened the door. Now as I stepped
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: out of the door, just to give you guys a
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: context of how the house looks like, so the toilet
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: door is here, beside is the laundry area. So there
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: are some, uh, clothes drying in the rack.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: And then beside is actually uh the back door of
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: the house, and the back door of the house is
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: made of wood and it's broken. So actually that morning,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: we tried to open up the door, but the door
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: is broken, so you cannot open up, so we had to,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: it has to remain closed and then
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: If you go outside of the back door, it's actually
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: a rambutan tree, and that rambutan tree has been known
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: for sightings based on my aunts and cousins who has
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: lived in the house, and OK, and then right beside
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the door is actually the kitchen area or the sink,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and the sink has a window that is also tinted.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: But you can see the ramputan tree. Can you imagine?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: So imagine you're washing your hands at 10:00 p.m. You
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: look up and then you can see the rambutan tree.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: So that kind of this whole house is like designed
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: to scare you, I think so.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: What happened was I stepped out of the toilet. My
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: wife is just waiting right across me. It's very near,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: like you and me, Way. And then as I was
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: about to tell her, Do you want to go and pee?
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: This is what I hear coming from the back door.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I turned my head to the door.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, did someone just knock the door? I, I, I,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I see that in my head and I hit it
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: again twice.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: It's very uncoordinated kind of knocking. When I heard it twice,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I look at my wife, and my wife looked at me.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: And then my wife asked me, who knocked the door? She, she, she, she,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: she asked that question. I think she was quite genuine
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: in asking the question. And then when I look at her,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I also don't know who knocked, who knocked the door,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: who knocked the back door? The front door is clearly
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: wide open, but who knocked the back door? But at
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: that point in time, I did not have any.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't think of any hantu lah because I was
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: trying to keep myself calm. I thought it's my cousin
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: who came down from my aunt's house and knocked the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: back door because he wanted to play a prank. It
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: was a very genuine thought lah. Oh, maybe it's my
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: cousin lah. He wants to play a prank. Now, just nice,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: as I was looking at my wife and we were
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: having that reaction, my sister, who has that I came in. Uh,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: she just entered the kitchen, then she looked at me
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and my wife standing there frozen, and then she just asked,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: What's happening? I said.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Ah, we heard someone knocking at the back door.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Then my, my sister just stood there in silence.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, she did that reaction. I'm like, uh, OK, never mind,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: relax everybody, this is what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: go outside, I'm gonna walk to the back of the house,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to check who is at the back door.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I did that, I said that, so I did. I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: went out of the house. I walked. As I walked
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: towards the back door, right where the tree is, if
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: there's anybody, somebody will come out or somebody will stand
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: there and I could see the silhouette. As I walk
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and it's pitch black, I saw nothing. I don't see
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: anybody and I don't see anybody around the area of
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the rambutan tree, nor 50 m around the Ramputan tree.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Clearly there was nobody, so right before I reached the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: back door, I stopped because I don't want to go further.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And then I just, I just stopped there and then
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: my sister also came out and then she just came.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: She was about to cross me and go straight to
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the back door and I said stop.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: There's no one there.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And she just, OK.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So both of us went back inside the house. So
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: my wife was waiting for the answer, right? So I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: just went to her and just said, Oh, there's nobody there.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And then, and then the two of us just kept quiet.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: And then I told my wife, OK, why don't we
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: just sit in the living room and wait until this
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: light gets fixed, which we don't know what time would
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it be. So we just sat at the living room, uh,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: waiting patiently. Well, it was, it was crowded. There were
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in the living room, but we,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: we knew the story. We didn't want to tell anybody.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: We don't, we, we didn't want to, yeah, scare anyone.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And then my sister started to take out her phone,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: played Koranic verses, went back to the kitchen and put
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the phone right where, right at the refrigerator beside the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: laundry rack, which is very close to the back door
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and the toilet door.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And then that's where I knew something was not right
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: because why would my sister play Anni versus right? so
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I stood up and I went to my sister, um.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Is everything OK? Why are you playing Koranic verses? And
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: she just looked at me and she did this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Immediately I knew something was not right. So I said,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you mean mm and then she said, mm what's the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: next question I asked, outside the house or inside the house?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You know what she said? Yeah, inside the house. So
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we were like, oh.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: What are we supposed to do if we run out,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it's dark. If we stay inside, that thing's inside. So
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: we just stay in the living room, and then my
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: wife was super scared, and then we were just waiting
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and waiting and waiting. But then the kani versus playing lah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: so that kind of gives us a bit of certainty.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Until eventually my mom, my mom wanted to go and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: sleep because she was too tired and then the room
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: was pitch black as well, so she went straight to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the room alone and she wanted, she was quite brave lah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: She put her the pillow down on the mattress and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: she wanted to lie down. I went in and said, Ma,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should lie down here. I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you should lie down with us outside in the living room,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and she's like, Why? Why can't I sleep here? I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: it's OK. I told her there's something here. I don't
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: think you want to be here. And then she was here,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and then she started panicking.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Then I said, no, no, no, I won't tell you now,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: so just go outside. So for the whole entire, I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: think it was 20 to 30 minutes, we were actually
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: at the living room waiting for the lights to turn on,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and then I was just monitoring my sister at a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: point in time because she can see. So I just
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: want to get signals from her whether the thing is
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: still there, whether it's moving and all that stuff. Um, eventually, thankfully,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: after about 45 to 1 hour of waiting, the lights
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: turned on, uh, and then we felt a bit more calm.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Now the house has lights.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And then I went back to my sister and asked again,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: so is that thing still here? And then she said, Ah, no,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the thing is no longer here. So then I wanted
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to find out more because now the light is on.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a bit more braver lah. So I asked her,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: so what actually happened? She said this when the knocking happens,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that thing was actually just beside you. This is the door,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: this is the toilet door, this is the laundry rack.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: It was right at the laundry rack, tall, dark red eyes.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It was actually standing straight at you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And then as you go out, thankfully I didn't say
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: anything lah and I come back in, right? When I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: come back in, it was still standing at the the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the rack, so the purpose of her doing the Koranic
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: versus
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: At the refrigerator right beside the laundry rack was because
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that thing was right at the laundry rack where she
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Then I asked the next question, how did that thing
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: get inside the house? Then she asked me the question,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: this laundry rack, when did you bring it in? When
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: we first arrived at 10:30 when the house was dark.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: My mom was telling me, hey, carry the laundry rack
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: outside inside the house because it's in an open space
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: where it could rain. What if it, what if your laundry,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you know, gets wet? So I actually carry the laundry
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: rack inside. Now when my sister actually didn't ask me
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: after I carry in, what do you carry in the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: laundry rack?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Why not? Later it will rain, then your the laundry
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: will get wet.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Never carry a laundry rack into the house at night.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And that's when I knew that that thing was actually
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: with the laundry rack. I brought it into the house
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and that's why it remained in the house.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Wait, la racks
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to be
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: serious, I didn't know that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, never bring in any laundry.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Outside after 4:30 p.m. or so leave it outside if
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you want to bring it in before us, so before 4:30.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, so what did your sister see? What, what was
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the entity?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Um, it was like hantu gala.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, because it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: very tall,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: very tall, very dark figure,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: red eyes.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thankfully it was not demonic. It was there just,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I think just passing by.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But, but the area that I've mentioned has a lot
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of entities. Uh, my aunt has seen a Nikobayan before
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: around the area. My, uh, my cousin has seen Kapone
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: appearing at the window casually passing by, uh, the back,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the window, the, the window that you wash hands, tinted
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: window at the rambutan tree. There's also kpoon sitting on
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the tree.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I, I have a question, and it sounds like a joke,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: but I swear it's not a joke. I'm very, I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: genuinely curious. With everything that's going on around this rambutan tree,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: does anybody actually pluck the fruit and eat it? Yes,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: it's so nice.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Is the house abandoned?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: No, right?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So it's not really abandoned abandoned, but because it's, uh,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: it's a weekend house, yeah. So my grandma, my late
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: grandma built it, uh, so that if anyone wants to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: come back once in a while, every weekend to the house,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: just stay in the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: house.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: so it's like, uh, what's the thing called Holiday home, yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: so it's rare occupied.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe once a month or
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: so
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I think that makes sense, right? Like, like even for
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: our belief is that if the house is too empty, right,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: things will start moving in or you'll be more vulnerable
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: for all these things to come in because if you
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: are day in and day out, then it will make
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: sense for them to.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It won't be so easy to enter. That's right. Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Just now you mentioned that after this happened, right, all
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: this happened, then you still go in the same place
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: to record a podcast talking about it. So did you
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: record that the same night or the next day?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: The same night.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Wow. But after all the lights and brave brave.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: OK, this is funny because I am not.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: The kind of who will do this, but everybody was
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: pushing it for, hey, since it happened, tell the story now,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: tell the story now, so you know with the, this
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: is the house, this is the back door, right? We
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: actually recorded it right beside.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Door.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: by then
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the, the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: hantugala
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: gone
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: already
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: la la.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I actually had to check with my sister. Hey, the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: thing here or not? OK, OK, OK, let's tell the story. Yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: so they actually pushed me, so I did the story
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: there in front of my cousins and all that. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: at least I didn't feel so scared.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, but that night I did, did feel a bit, um,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: scared lah to sleep, lah because it happened right, right away.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Anything
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: happened during the recording. Thank God, no,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: brave, but he had, he had a live audience and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: not so live audience outside by the rambutan tree, the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Han gala audience. Talk about me, ah. I was gonna ask,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: would you do a sequel where you go out to
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the Rambutan tree and record?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, no.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: no, I even tell them, let's do it here where
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: it's like beside the house. Let's not do it like
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: right there at the whole forest there, no, because, uh, yeah,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I was not, I didn't agree with this idea, but
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: my sister was in it. So yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: so even the elders, like your family elders, they also,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: they are not like pangtang to it. They won't be like, Hey,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: just happened and then you go and tell ghost story.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: They won't. They're for it, lah. They like it, lah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently they just want to know like, hey, what happened?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Tell us. Tell us like to them and say, OK,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like that thing will be OK lah. I'm like, No,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: anything
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: scared.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's fascinating. They're probably thinking, this fella live in
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: city or let's hear his story. Oh, so scary.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Actually it's true because my kampong cousins actually hear us
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: telling stories at the site and they're like, Hey, you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: just tell good stories. Ah. Oh.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: With their face
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: this one considered scary to you last week, last week
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I saw one there.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, yeah, we, we city folks quite weak, a bit, OK, yeah, yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a bit folks like because you know I talked to,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I went to Batam, right, to shoot one of my, uh, IPs, right,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: for one of my programs, right? I talked to one
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: of the barber.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: The barber is from, uh, West Sumatra if I'm not wrong.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Then he told me like some stories about his kampong,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and then he said, I like this Batam city all
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: nothing one see this, see this, it's crazy. Kampong people
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: are crazy. Yeah, like my, uh, when I go back
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: to my mom's village in, uh, northern Thailand, right.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Uh, then I realized that we, me and my father will,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: will usually sit down, hot, hot, you know, Thailand's hot lah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and then we would, we would drink, uh, drink cold drinks,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: and then the relatives will go up because it's the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: stacked house, so it's like the ground floor, uh, then
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: on top of it is the house, right? So they
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: all go out and sleep. Then we go, hey, come
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: down and drink lah together.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: ah they say no, no, no P P P. they're
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like what P P is ghost. They say we cannot
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: sleep too late at night. They say they usually sleep
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: about 78 p.m. and it's dark one because it's in
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the countryside. It's got ghosts. They say there will be ghosts.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, there will be ghosts.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It's
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: like the I'm like, but you got like, you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: you got your outer.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Stuff, yeah, but yeah they are around us all the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: time don't be all around you, bro. So, so I,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I did, I did, I did hear from my dad
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: when I was, I didn't, uh, visit one of the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: trips that he went then at night he will sit
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: alone with his back facing, uh, like the mountains. Then
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: he say he can feel the cold air. He can
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: feel as if got people stand behind him. Then according
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to some of my relatives, they say that, yeah, some
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: of the dead relatives that come back.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: So to us, right, we city folk, wow, this is scary,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: but to them it's like normal every day.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's because they are so near nature,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: right?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: so
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: lah. Maybe so. They're
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: too desensitized, ah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: yeah, actually I think so too, you know. In fact,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that was the most scariest episode I've done for my,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: for my podcast because I will never record anything more
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: than 7 p.m. Yeah, I don't know, but we did
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: record it at about 12 plus. I remember it was
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: we ended by 12:30,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: gangster, very.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Thank God nothing happened.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You know, ah, speaking of recording podcasts, right, ah, there
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: are all kinds of uh horror podcasts. Uh, there is
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the talk show type of podcast, like, uh, what we are,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: what we are doing here and where guests share their
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: ghost stories and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Are You Afraid of Ghosts is another example. There's also
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the narrative horror podcast, OK. One of the first ones, uh,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that gained global popularity was Welcome to the Night Vale
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: in 2012. Uh, those shows like, uh, Pseudopod, which began
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: in 2006, uh, predate it. In Singapore, Kyle and Wayne's
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: first show Ghost Maps is narrative inspired by stories shared
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: with us by friends, family, and also fans.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: This is uh similar to radio shows like Mystery Jumdo Blast, uh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: where I read stories from listeners but with this voice.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Which kind of, you know, podcast, you know, which kind
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: of podcast do you think is scarier and
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: why?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Um, OK, for me, if you, I thankfully not so
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: scary because, you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: it's a,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: it's a podcast where we actually, uh, share knowledge and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: um
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Findings about the supernatural. So actually you kind of sit
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: in a class where you learn from a teacher,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So I think it's very, yeah, yeah, which is actually
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: very enlightening as well, you know, when you want to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: hear a different perspective, uh, you know, hearing, uh, scary
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: stories and also finding out where it comes from, uh,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the backstory and all that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So this is more suitable for if let's say you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: are in a mood to learn something. On the other hand,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: if you're in a mood to be scared.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I think the narrative one works, yeah, especially when there's
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: added effects, when there's, uh, you know, specifically just story
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: itself because you would imagine this what hearing at 12
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and it ends at 12:30 or 1, and then you go,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you go to sleep straight. What's in your mind? It's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a story that that was being told earlier and then
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the sound effect, the voice, that's the one that really
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: will scare you the most.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, if I were to watch this at
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: 12 a.m., I still, I can still go to sleep.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: honestly, I think this is like self-reference lah. I mean,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: to me personally, I like both types because probably because
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of my ADHD lah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And uh but sometimes I prefer to listen to like
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: narrative type, sometimes I prefer, you know, tales from Incredible
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: uh tales type. I think uh in my opinion, I
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: think uh like narrative storytelling is, is better for your
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: imagination to go to run wild, you know. It's, it's, it's,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it's better for you to imagine, I think, you know
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: what I mean? I think cause if you were to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: listen to like this type of podcast where it's a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: more conversationbased, you don't get to like, how to say ah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you don't get to fully
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Get into it, uh, if you understand, if you catch
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: my drift, lah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna add on to that because I think
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: from Tales from Credible Tales is the one that really
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: gets me to understand more about the story. That means
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: if you would, if you were to tell a story,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I will link it back to what I've learned in
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Tales from Gible Tales. So this Wayne told me this, uh,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Carl told me that, so that the story has more depth.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: It's not just a story, but it's a story with
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: a backstory.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: For me, it's a bit of both, uh, but it
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: needs to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I think talk shows does work for me, but it
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: needs to come from people with weight, like, uh, not
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: just like a random person on the street. I mean,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: because we are in Southeast Asia, everybody got a ghost story,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: but what does it for me is particularly men of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: faith when they tell ghost stories or men of purpose like, uh,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, police officers, army veterans, those kinds of stories,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: they do it very well because they are there to work,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: they are there to serve the people. So then when
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: they
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: And they're there to be brave. And when they handle,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: then when they see stuff that they cannot explain, that's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: where it's scary, even though these brave men they get it,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and men of faith also like even their faith waivers
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: because like certain things that shown that there's, yeah, not
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: not supposed to happen, supernatural stuff, and that's scary because
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you hear the fear in their voice, but that's not
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: narrative lah, but that's kind of like, I think it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the people that tell the story that it matters to
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: me more than the format.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the thing is I, I grew up listening
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to MG Douglas well I keep promoting MJ.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Monday to Friday 12 a.m. Yeah, but, but I grew
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: up listening to MJ2 Blast and I, I still remember,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: you know, like back then I used to sit at
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the backseat of my father's taxi and then I would
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: just listen and then, you know, when you listen to
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: KC's storytelling, then you can start to visualize, you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and I think in your imagination really
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, I think your imagination plays a part to, to,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: to make it even more scary. Yeah, yeah, 100%. No,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I agree. I, I think like what you touched upon
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: really hit the nail on the head for me where it's,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: it's not, is it narrative? Is it talk show? It's
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: more who's the storyteller and for me it's, it, it
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to be people of faith. Like, here
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: we are sitting and we're talking about podcasting and all that,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: but then when you tell that story about Malacca, about
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the Hantugala.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Like you see all of us just go quiet and
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I think that's more important where
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Whether it's narrative, whether it's just a casual conversation, it's
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: who's telling the story, how well are they telling the story.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And of course also how interesting is the story itself
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: as well lah whether you heard it before or not.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, for me it it doesn't really matter what
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: kind of podcast it is. It's the person who's telling
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the story that really matters to me. So horror storytelling
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: in Singapore and Southeast Asia is more rooted in the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: oral storytelling than in the written word.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: You can argue that podcasts are an extension of that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Audio in general is a very important part of horror. Uh,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Casey Whelan, the writer and producer of the podcast We're Alive, says,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: and I quote, If you watch a horror film and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: you turn the sound down, it loses 90% of its
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: power because it's not what you see, it's what you
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: don't see that's scary, end quote. Do you think there
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: will come a time when horror podcasts could be more
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: popular than horror movies?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Again, ah, to me it's like self-preference. Like in my
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: humble opinion, uh, one will never replace the other or
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: one will never be greater than the other. Like, there
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: will always be people who prefer visual over audio, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: there will always be people who prefer audio. You know, like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: like for example uh back then when I was working
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: as a delivery rider, right?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I prefer audio because I can be doing anything. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: can be doing my like homework, I, I sending order,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: wait at the restaurant, I, I, and I still can
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: listen to it, you know. But as opposed to like movies,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you have to be invested, you know, you you have
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to really focus, then you understand the plot, you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: you understand the, so I, I feel like
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Again, it's self-preference lah. Yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Second
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to that, I don't think, uh, one will replace the other.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: It's also dependent on whether what you want to feel
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: at that very point in time, because if you are,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: for example, for, for far when he's doing his delivery
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and you're listening to it, then you're immersing it while
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you're doing something else.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: At the same time, I do feel that if you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: were to, if I were to be on loud, if
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I were to listen to a podcast, I put it
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: on loudspeaker and I'm doing something else in the in
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the at home, I think I'm more drawn into it
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: because I want to catch every single sound. while you're
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: when you're watching on TV, of course you also want
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to catch every single visuals, but then that's where you,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: your imagination does not need to be.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: As activated as when you're listening to it. So it
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: really depends on what kind of, uh, what mood you're in.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: If you're in a mood to feel more scared, I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: think audio works better, but then the visuals also depends
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: on the type of movie, you know, the type of production,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the type
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: of visual, audio.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: You watch the movie
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: you have to sit down and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: watch and then the other one you can do.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: It's funny you say that because that kind of does
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: answer the question for me as much as I love.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Uh, horror or audio, whatever kind of audio it is,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: whether it's the narrative, whether it's talk shows and everything
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: This also is a preference, but I grew up watching
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: horror movies. For the longest time, when I think about horror,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: it's not like, OK, if you, if you put aside
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: like the oral tradition of like, you know, family telling
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you ghost stories and everything, that to me is always
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the dominant one. But if you take that aside, right,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: it's always movies is the next one. When I think
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: of horror, it's always horror movies, you know. Um, so
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: for me, horror movies were the most dominant one.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I think also it is because when you talk about productivity,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: when I listen to podcasts,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: You're right. I'm always doing something else. I'm and even
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: if I'm not doing something else, I'm say on the bus,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm looking out the window, so my
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: attention is always divided between what I'm listening to and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: whatever else is out on there. If I was, say,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: watching this episode, for example, watching this episode, I'll be
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit more invested.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, like I said, horror
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: movies were the thing when I was growing up, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I'm very interested to hear your answer. I'm genuinely very
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: interested because you have a you have a stake in
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: both worlds. Yeah, my job title is literally filmmaker and podcaster.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: The worlds collide, man. Uh, I, I, I try not
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: to give too much of a safe take because, yeah,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: that's just me lah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I think horror podcasts will overtake movies. I sinking Build
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the tension first, right?
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Reason being, uh, we live in a time where anybody
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: can tell a ghost story, right? Anybody, ah, whereas if
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: you were to make a film, it's so much harder,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: so much more resources. So, the ability to democratize, uh,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: content production, uh, really gives the, ah, opportunity to tell
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: ghost stories and it's easily reached. Like last time, an
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: American might not know what is a Pontana.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: And a Southeast Asian might not know what is a skinwalker,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: but now because of social media, it is easy for
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: us to find out. Therefore, ah, and also, uh,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: For me at least, when I follow a ghost story,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I follow the person, I don't follow the location, I
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: don't follow the theme of it. I follow Cop's husband
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: because he's Cop's husband because he has a very low
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: and deep voice. And there's a lot of very interesting
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: storytellers out there uh because there's no barrier, so
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: If horror as a genre continues on the outward trajectory.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Um, I think there will be more horror podcasts than
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: horror movies because of economic factor. Horror movies is not
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: cheap to make, whereas horror podcasts is easier. You just
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: need a mic and decent audio skills. I think you
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: can come up with a decent story. So that's my
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: take lah. It's a hot take.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: You say you have fans who know you from Tales.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Now that you moved to Are You Afraid of Ghosts,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: how's the reception been like in terms of the fans
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: who know you from Tales, in terms of new fans?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: How have they been reacting in the comments to you?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Um, I think I'm considered lucky because the fans have
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: been really supportive. Um, they actually look forward to the weekly.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And they did mention that they actually some most of
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: them actually comes from Tales from Incredible Tales, um, which
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of course makes me feel happy about it because, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: it doesn't just end there, you know, and it's not
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: like I'm, you know, taking over whatsoever, but it's like
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: giving you more options for people to enjoy horror stories
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and um to still be able to do, uh, what
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I thought I would never want to do.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, uh, it's still, it feels nice to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: be connected again to, to those listeners and hearing their
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: stories as well makes me then understand how it feels
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like to be on the other, on the other seat,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you know, not just a host, but also somebody who
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: listens to their story. So it goes
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: both ways.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: If you were alone in a dark room.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: What would be the scariest sound you could hear? OK,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: assuming your visualize. I think the scariest sound for me
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: would be the sound of water gushing. Water gushing. Why?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Because then it's like, I might drown.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: So it's like you throw me in a room where
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: there's no light, then can you imagine water rising? You
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: hear the sound first, then water rising, and there's no
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: way to escape. And then like there's, you know, water,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: you can't see the bottom, it's dark
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: and you can start
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: feeling water
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: rising.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: What about you? Um, footsteps.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, because when you hear specifically footsteps and then you
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: go hello somebody then nobody responds but still walking, but
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: still walking because then it could be two things. It
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: could be a ghost.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Or worse, it could be somebody there trying to kill you,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a real-life person trying to kill you. Whack them up.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: You can whack them lah, but I would still be scared, lah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Like that's the thing that would terrify me. The footsteps,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: knowing there's somebody else there, but I don't know who
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: or what. I mean, if I were to be in
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a dark room, pitch black, I cannot see anything, I
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: would be afraid if there, uh, there were to be
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the sound of a chain like and then like.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: You will see 2.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Very huge beings coming over to you and then asking
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Ma Rob Booker, but it's scary, bro. OK, this is
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: not a joke but angel of so so OK so
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: like in our belief, we believe that when we die, right, we,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: we will wake, we wake up again.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And then when you wake up, you will see the two,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: these two angels with chains, with like super huge chains
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and then they will ask you like who's your God? There,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: there were, there are a few questions lah. No, just
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to question you. If you cannot answer then.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Sayonara.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: You bye bye punishment punish,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: OK, for me, hearing whispers of voices in in the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: dark in the dark room, like, OK, so I've been there,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: but it's not pitch black, but I can hear someone knocking, right?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I can hear someone knocking, I mean
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: technically I thought there would be another door or something
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: like that. Maybe it's behind the door, but imagine if
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you are in a dark room and then someone just
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: go like.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Right beside your ear, so it's very close to you.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I hear voices in my head, they talk to me,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It's time once again for our morbid fact of the day.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: This one, however, is a particular favorite of mine, so Carl,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: please take it away. So, in 1938, Orson Welles directed
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: a radio adaptation of the HG Wells novel, War of
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the Worlds, in which Martians invade Earth. The first half
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: of the adaptation was done in a real-life news report,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: which caused some listeners to actually mistake it for an
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: actual report and panic.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: It's not known exactly how widespread the panic was, but
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: it was enough for an informal agreement to be reached
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: that the radio stations weren't allowed to use fictional news
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: stories anymore. Oh I love this so much. Yeah. Yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I mean I I can understand, yeah, because when you
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: do it, your craft is so good, right, that people
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: actually think that it's true. It's true. It's real lah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: It's crazy because it's a fake news report lah. So
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: like I I I.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I can see how you will do it lah. So
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: this is radio station, right? Yeah, just imagine, bro. You're
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: driving and suddenly invented the wrong version. Oh my God,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, OK, la, if a media corp station that'd
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: be like, DJ this one.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, to be fair, to a certain extent,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: much smaller extent, when we do our show Ghost maps,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: some people actually do ask, uh, can I meet the
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: collector as if he's a real person, even though our
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: show is a narrative podcast. So they, a lot of
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: people genuinely don't realize that it's a fictionalized podcast. That's
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: why when I, when
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I look back on this one, I'm like, I love
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: this story so much. Alright, thank you once again, Reihan
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. It's always fun
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: to have you. And thank you to all of you
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: for tuning into Tales from Incredible Tales. New episodes go
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: online every week on MeWatch, Me Listen, YouTube, Spotify and
• 47:30
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• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Podcast.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: My name is Raihan,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: my name is Wayne. My name is Kyle, my name is.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And we'll see you next time. Tales from Incredible Tales
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Rui, and Kyle Ong,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: with special guest, Reihan Yato, directed and produced by Kyle Ong,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: written by Wayne Rui, assistant director, Chin Chin Wei, director
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: of photography, Shervin Chua, Gaffer, Jonathan Chan, Art Director.
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  Speaker 2: Jolene Lim, sound recordist, Audrey Lee. Behind the scenes footage
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  Speaker 2: shot by Ella May Walker, Hair and makeup by Bino Lim.
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  Speaker 2: Production assistance, Aishwarani Durias Singam, Ella May Walker. Post-production by
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  Speaker 2: Fudge Studios. Assistant editor, Ella May Walker. Motion graphics by
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  Speaker 2: Jolene Lim.
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  Speaker 2: Camera support by Nikon Singapore, lighting support by Aeron, Smoke
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  Speaker 2: support by PMI gear, monitor support by Desview and DC
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  Speaker 2: Pro Private Limited. Special thanks to Danny Kurdy from Micorp.
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  Speaker 2: Tales from Incredible Tales is a production of Hantu and
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