Latest / Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash / #121 Sleep Witchcraft, Gender Burnouts And Existential Questions With Wippa

Transcript

#121 Sleep Witchcraft, Gender Burnouts And Existential Questions With Wippa · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Matthew, Yes, when your girls were a lot small.
• 0:02
  Speaker 2: Now, now, did you have any funky sleeping techniques?
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: We did one thing with Marley, only Marley, not Lola.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: But when she would go to sleep, the way that
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: we would get her to sleep would be us rocking
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: her in our arms. We would then transition her while
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: she was asleep in our arms into her bed, her
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: cot and as you know, when you take your hands away,
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: they wake up, see you, then rock again. So every
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: sleep took at least forty five minutes, the dreaded transition.
• 0:31
  Speaker 3: What did you do?
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: We had the butt pat, of course.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: And we speak about it in this episode with Whipper
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: and matt You know Whipper from.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: Where Nova back in the day used to work with them,
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: did you, well? Not really, I had a Saturday morning
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: radio show. He had a real radio.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: You would know him from Fitzy Whipper and Kate Ritchie
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: in the mornings.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, And he talks about a really strange type of
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: technique that he is with his daughter Francesca back when
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: he was trying to get hurt asleep.
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: Mister Whip is married to wife Lisa and they have
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: three kids, Ted, Jack and Francesca.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: Oh what did you call it Frankie friend than Frankie.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: We tried.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: We cover a bit about sleep in this chat, and
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: we also hear how Whipper tackles those random existential questions
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: that young kids tend.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: To ask, like what is God? There was a condom
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: question in there too, wasn't there in sex as well?
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: All the good stuff anyway, I hope you enjoy it.
• 1:30
  Speaker 4: Let's get into it.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the three doting dads.
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: Good I am Maddie, Jy, I'm Ash.
• 1:52
  Speaker 5: And I'm Michael John Whipley from the Whippley Family.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: Tell that you've done X amount of years of a
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: lot of flying time on the Best. This is a
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: podcast all about parenting. It is the good, it is the.
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: Bad and related.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: I only said you were London. We apologize, mister Whipper.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: We do not give any advice on this podcast, but
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: I can only assume that today's episode is going to
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: be a drenching of knowledge and ash Ni.
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: Are ready for it, sure.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: That he can.
• 2:30
  Speaker 5: I bring something up quickly.
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: I was really keen to get one of some of
• 2:36
  Speaker 3: your merch not the calendar we were talking about earlier.
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: But there must be nice because I just I've got
• 2:42
  Speaker 3: to mate by the name of Hamish Blake.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've got We've got five.
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: You didn't honestly it must be nicer, did it? I
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: mean it's fine. I mean it's the podcast world and
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: the entertainment world is a friendly area, is it? So
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: what about just thinking if we put a French flag
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: on it and it was just must be niece.
• 3:11
  Speaker 5: And you could sell them internationally?
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: Right? So do some sort of a rep shared deal
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: with some tourism stand Where are we must be niece?
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: That is gold?
• 3:25
  Speaker 5: I don't know, We're.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: Very good.
• 3:29
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: People have responded very positive?
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: One review we go.
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: Hamish?
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: Is that aymous?
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: It's anonymous? Hey, no, one's perfect. Definitely not us.
• 3:50
  Speaker 3: No, they're not.
• 3:50
  Speaker 5: Anyway back to the drawing, Sorry, where were parents?
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: Don't we do a bit of a how you say,
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: like psycho analysis on the guests. We always try ash
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: and talk about what was the guest like when they
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: were younger?
• 4:02
  Speaker 4: Do you think?
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: And we feel like we figured you out and tell
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: us if we're way off the mark here off, we're
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: flying pretty close to home. I feel like as a
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: youngster you were somebody who was everyone's best friend. I
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: feel like the students would have loved you, the teachers
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: would have hated you. Would have had a few favorite teachers,
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: but you would have been the disruptor. Class clown is.
• 4:24
  Speaker 3: I would say everyone's friend. Yeah, I was that kind
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: of guy, that kind of guy, very arrogant. But you
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: said it first. I could have just given a thumbs up.
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: Bad for the podcast. You're on the right train.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: You can hear the thing.
• 4:40
  Speaker 5: But then no, goody two shoes, not class clown, but.
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: Was very much now you do that. Now you do that,
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: you encourage. I was the backing to make sure that
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: the real class clown could do it. Job puppet masters,
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: you will. I did very quick to do it. It
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: was him that is disgusting behavior. Kick him out. So yeah,
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: I would swap very quickly from supporting role.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: How did you figure that out?
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: Was?
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: Did something happen?
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: No? I just didn't want to get in trouble. My
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: dad was very strict with things like that, and when
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: he would say to you, you're better than that, that's
• 5:24
  Speaker 3: when you knew not to behave badly. So like a
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: spitball from the back of the classroom onto a TV
• 5:30
  Speaker 3: would have been outrageous behavior for me.
• 5:34
  Speaker 5: So that's where I hadn't made it. Eglinn, I would
• 5:36
  Speaker 5: do a lot of Eddie.
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: I've got a great idea for today. Yeah. I even
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: talked to England into wed like an assembly hall that
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: had a fire extinguisher up the back. I even talked
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: him into putting a rubber between the handle, right, rubber
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: like an eraser, putting it between the handle that you
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: squeeze down.
• 5:54
  Speaker 5: On a firing stinguished and then putting fishing.
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: Line around the rubber which ran down the side of
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: the wall all and then nailed across you know those
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: hoop nails. So he could stand outside assembly and pull
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: the rubber, which sprayed the fire hydrant. And once again
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: it was him.
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: I mean I bought the school.
• 6:16
  Speaker 3: I gave him all the parts to make them bomb
• 6:18
  Speaker 3: the silent, then sat there and enjoyed the spray until
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: until she too. What sir, If I knew anything about that,
• 6:26
  Speaker 3: I would have stopped that guy. He now he's imprison
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: He luffed away.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: He's doing nine.
• 6:41
  Speaker 3: Even the color red's bad for him.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: Did you ever have in your report cards wish he
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: would apply himself NonStop?
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: Did you pick that as well? Yeah? Psycho analysis.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mine's the same.
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: They pulled me into class. I mean I got yet twelve.
• 6:56
  Speaker 3: I got sixteen point six rounded up to seventeen out
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: of one hundred on all of it.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which was what was I'm a Queensland so
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: we had Is it like gol from the lower the
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: school about?
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately not, she can't flip it on its head.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Essentially, you got seventeen percent.
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, brains, So what's so funny.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: Seventeen jumping in?
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: What's so funny about?
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: It's just a little bit lower? Yeah, I expected as well.
• 7:25
  Speaker 3: Did that surprise you at all? No? I didn't do
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: anything at a great time at school, but never applied
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: myself academically. It just wasn't my thing. But I remember
• 7:33
  Speaker 3: they had there was sort of two rankings in year
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: twelve to join a hierarchy, so you could become a
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: school officer, and there was maybe I don't know eighty
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: school officers. Is that like a prefect? Well, the prefect
• 7:46
  Speaker 3: was a graduation from the school officer, and I would
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: say there was probably twenty. And they called a meeting
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: and I was in the meeting with mum and dad
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: and the head of Year twelve and they said, we
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: really like Michael, and I said, escape really well, I'm
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: flying here, guys both streaming him, and it's terrific that
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: he is a school officer. We'd love to make him
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: a prefect, but he just doesn't. He doesn't do anything.
• 8:12
  Speaker 3: Why don't you do anything?
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: Just the presence was.
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: The energy guy, I was personality, higher.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: Personality, the energy, the moods high. Did you want to
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: be prefect? Did you have that?
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: No about if I had to work? But I don't
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: think so, But I sort of, I don't know. There
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: was a moment where I thought you ignorant fools for
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: thinking that the academic assessment equaled prefect when as a
• 8:38
  Speaker 3: school officer.
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: Highly ranged, Yeah, popularity, contest, house captain.
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: You knew that too.
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: A sports house captain, No, just house captain, house captain.
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: Overall, not sports house.
• 8:53
  Speaker 5: Well, sport was under house.
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: You're over yeah, sort of the.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: Lordship and that's where you so when you directed the
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: orders as house captain, people would have to just follow
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: with our question.
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, without question. So I've always been in a very
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: very powerful position throughout my life. How do you think
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: the podcast is going?
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: At what point did you think I think I'm going
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: to work in media.
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: I always thought it would be fun. I mean, I
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: remember doing I don't know, I sort of I played
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: in I played in a little band for a while.
• 9:29
  Speaker 5: The cover band was a little platinum.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, platinum, platinum, Yeah, platinum. Performed probably once or twice ever. Yeah,
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: So it was really weird, chicked down venues. We picked
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: our times. It didn't take off, but we used to
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: play guitar at a few twenty firsts. And around that
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: time too, Andy Lee had a band with his brother
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: and he was doing twenty first as well, And then
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: we had so many parties going on. We'd be emcing
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: or giving speeches and Andy would be there with his
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: guitar doing this thing with his brother. They're do an
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: acoustic set, probably not as advances platinum, but that's kind
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: of how I think.
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know, the entertainment started.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: You've got the taste for it. Yeah, what's your dad's
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: opinion of how this is unfolding? Knowing that you've got
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: the sixteen point six. Yeah, you're now a musician, which
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: is a tough.
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: Industry, playing at lots of clubs.
• 10:19
  Speaker 5: He dad's different to me.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: He's quite a straight guy, but he'll always say he'll
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: make you know what he does, he delivers sort of
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: it's a loaded compliment. So he'll say I had the
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: show the other day, like, oh yeah, what'd you think?
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: And he goes, well, I suppose you need to ask
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: yourself the question what do you want to be known for?
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: That was so he'll say that, he'll go between the lines,
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, oh no, because he'll call me Mikey, Mikey,
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: and what have I done here? And then he'll make
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: his comment. Then he'll go but I know nothing about
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: the game, but I know nothing about the industry and
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: the tracks.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Was he trying to steer you in a different direction?
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: No?
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: He was always supportive of whatever I wanted to do.
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: So when I left school, I went and did a
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: TAFE course in building management so I could he looked
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: like a foreman, more hands on them, the tools. But
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: so I did that for a while and then like
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: project management, worked on site for a while and then
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: but always wanted to get into radio. Did a short course.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: That's what I did.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: Did your dad approve of Lisa?
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: Then?
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: I issue, ah, yes.
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: He did, still does, which is great news.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: How is that initial meeting?
• 11:35
  Speaker 5: I think it was good. I don't think it was
• 11:37
  Speaker 5: a nervous time.
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: I just remember when i'd met her and I realized
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: I met somebody very special, and being in the car
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: with Dad wanted to tell him me. Now, he don't
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: know how to approach those conversations, whatever it might be.
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: Sports. I remember.
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: Sitting down, I completely forgot about this. Oh here we go.
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: I was telling Mom and Dad that I was going
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: to propose to her, and.
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: Then I said, do you know what, guys, at least
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: and I going away in June and I'm going to
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: propose to her. But Dad must have missed something because
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: he goes proposed to who? I mean, what do you
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: mean who? I've just done my whole spiel about how
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: much she means to me and how exciting it is.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: How long have you guys been again?
• 12:24
  Speaker 6: Year?
• 12:25
  Speaker 5: Eighteen months?
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: You still saying?
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: And I was like emotional, and I said to I
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: think Mom started to tear up. Dad was still trying
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: to put the pieces he misread the whole. When you're
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: excited to share something with someone so close, yeah, you
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: know you're waiting for that moment. Oh my god, Dad
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: will remember the moment I said that I'd found my
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: life but who.
• 12:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, John, please keep up. That was a battle, but.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: He gave it when he realized who it was. Two
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: thumbs are he's on board.
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always on board. And then what I
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: did was I wanted to do the traditional thing of
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: asking Lisa's parents, Deborah and David, if I had their
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: permission to marry their daughter. But they lived on the
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Goldie So I said to Lisa, you know what, I
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: need a new suit. So I'm going to go into
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: the city and I'm going to.
• 13:27
  Speaker 5: Look for a suit all day long.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to spend eight hours looking at them.
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: I hate trying to straight to the airport, got on
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: the fly. I had them for lunch.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: What came back, I couldn't bring them.
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to do that.
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: I wanted to sit down and eyeball them.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: I wanted to. But when you wanted their reaction from when.
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: You organized lunch, they know what you're flying in?
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I don't. Just I just wanted to
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: talk about a future finance. What do you think about
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: the state of politics? Let me fly up to the
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: Gold Coast of talk you through.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They were they like nicely dressed and it was wonderful.
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: We had a great lunch, and then I got home,
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: got back on them playing, got home and least it
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: was like, where's the suit. By that stage, I'd forgotten
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: about the suit story because I was so you know,
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: swept up and in the moment of you know, the
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: meeting we just had. And then I said, ah, yeah,
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: found the tailor. It's getting measured and stuff. They're like alterations.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: I'll pick it up next week. So I then had
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: to go and buy a suit after that. And now
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: you have a nice suit and a wife and she
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: still loves me.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when you and Lisa started having the
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: conversation about starting a family?
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I remember. You never know, you never know
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: how long it'll take. I suppose you go through those times,
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: but you're also kind of deciding the level of commitment
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: you want to make to making the baby. How do
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: you mean, well, do we just get it on, you know,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: randomly in the routine and we're already in like, oh
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: my god, it's Chuesday and art and there's nothing on TV,
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: you know, or do we want to go Okay, well,
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: let's find out when you're ovulating and then we'll try
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: and strike when the iron's hot more.
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: Do you do that theory of thirty days by.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Bank can't miss? I would ruin Well that's what I was,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: that it could ruin your So, yes, I remember having
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: that conversation. I think we just kind of randomly cruised
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: through it for a while until we got the ovulation
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: thing that you spit on on.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: We've never done that.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: You put it on the tongue, and it says if
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: maybe she wheezed on it, it would make more sense
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: to we on it does? It does?
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Hang on?
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Sorry, The tongue was the drug test that was different
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: when right now, I'm sure you can do it with saliva.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: I think either way, it'll tell you where the ovulation
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: period is, and then you get in and fight for
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: your life, you know, let's wrestle. But we were lucky
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: enough that it worked quite easily, I think until two months,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: and you hear some really challenging stories. So I remember
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: thinking that's fantastic. Then Ted was born, and then surprise, surprise,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: wonderful news seven months.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: Later, a whole birth of Ted. Shit, she was pregnant again.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I was the father, so we thought
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: we found some consistency there. But Jack was a wonderful
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: surprise to us, but you know, we couldn't have wished
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: for anything more. And then we were lucky enough to
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: strategically think, will we go again in the hope of
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: getting a little girl? And we did?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Was the plan always for three? Was that always on
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: the card? Yeah?
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I think so. If we could have a third, we
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: would go for it. And we did. We did, which
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: was fantastic, and Francesca came along quickly. Too personal, But yes,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: there are different techniques to get the girl to the.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Boy, Jack and THEO. Did you find out at birth
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the sex? Did you do a reveal? How did it
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: happen with your first two?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Ted? We didn't find out.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I don't hate people do that.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: But my god, I was so excited. H just a
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: big plum like bull bag. I'm thinking, man, that's the
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: best set of plums over wild swingers. You know? Were
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: they like long or they hopefully listens back?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Did you say anything to those in the room, midwife?
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: He's beautiful, But yeah, I think every parent gets quite
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: a shock at the look of the the Genitalia.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I got a shock just looking at the at him,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: at my because my eldest is a boy too, and
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: he popped him out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: He was just screaming. I was like.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: He was, and that was the fathering instinct straight away
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: to protect.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: It's a one way it's a one way ash. But
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: then I found out with Jack that it was going
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: to be a boy, just from a planning point of view,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: and then with Francesca it was taken out of my
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: hands and fits he very generously. Gender reveal.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I absolutely love gender reveal. You did you have any
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: input at all in.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: The concertle No, he was kind enough to organize.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: It's so nice to him.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Do you know what we did? We did a gender
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: reveal cake for Jack. Forgot about that, so Lisa's mum
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: cut the cake on her birthday. We found out it
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: was going to be a boy.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: That's how we knew about it appropriate.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: So in my mind, gender reveal was done like we
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: didn't have to do a gender reveal. Enter Ryan James Fitzgerald.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: Oh mate, I've got the best plan.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Or you're gonna love it, mane, you're gonna love it?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Is it very mean? Is something i'd really like? Because yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: we're going to Easton Creek Speedway.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You are there quite often.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: H That's the thing I would have loved this podcast earlier,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: but you know, I'm always.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Doing yeah, I can't get.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: So he organized a gender.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Burnouts and the kids were there.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: So FITZI was in the back of some I don't know.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know anything about cars.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Let's say it was a holding commodore.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I was definitely a commodore. It was Commodore, and I
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: don't know what model it was for something. But the
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: tires were perfect. It was ready to go. All we
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: had to do was stand there and wait to see
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: if the smoke from the rubber.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Tires was pink or bloody blue.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Mate, while FITZI was in the back seat with a
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: helmet on, yelling out the back we would have it. Yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: we need it's just spinning around in circles. Why we
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: were pretended to be emotionally moved by the reveal, but
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: more devastated. We were watching fits in the back of
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: a commodore.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: There's nothing more astral nothing more Australian than that people.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Are dying with gender reveals. Have you seen that? Yeah,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: someone will fly over dropping a color of smoke out
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: of a plane and you guys wanting to say that
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: there's another baby on the way.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And I've had a sexy oh a crowd owner of congratulations,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I was wondering why you had.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: That so brave? Is it sore? Still?
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Some people live with soreness? Show on the scarce? Okay,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: did where did we're in the sack?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Did they go sooch? Isn't it they go? No?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Underneath? I thought it was under the balls.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: He had one of these done, and I said, where
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: do they go in?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: They go in? I don't know, mate, have you not
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: even looked you've had an incision made in your testicles?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I already had a scar on my nuts from what from?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You don't know this story?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Your first sectomy?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Call it a sext to me? No, No, I had
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it to what they called it twisted testicle? Oh right,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: when I was fourteen years of age. I was saving
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: it for this episode.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, let's go into this because Ted said
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: to me the other night, the teacher spoke to us
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: about twisted testicles, and did they get twisted?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: You're playing soccer? I was surfing.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I surfed a lot that day, and then I got
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: this really big picture.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: When you ball up a rubber band.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: They said, when they opened me up, that's what that's
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: what it looked like, and then they had to untwist
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it stitched to the sidewalls. I've already got a scar
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: down the middle, like in the middle of my nuts.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Not yet. No, there was a guy at school who
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: in a similar situation, and his name was we used
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: to call him Buchers. And because I had missed like
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: two weeks of school and the this was in your
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: nine Bruce Brown was the year later. Bruce Brown got
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: up and said, now you might have been a bit
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: concerned about Bukers. He's had a twisted testicle, so his
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: testinges are going to be fine, but he'll be back
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: to school very soon.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: He's had an operation on his balls, so what do
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: you reckon?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: He was called for the rest of school. He was twisties.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I was one nut.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: My friends used to see me wonder Wall, but instead
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: of wonder Wall, it was one ball classic classics.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: That's not funny, that's not yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I had a friend that was very insensitive when I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: did have just after I had the surgery, he saw
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: me a couple of days later. He would pretend to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: sackwhack me so that he wouldn't actually hit me, but
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I'd squeek my nuts were so swallen. I'd squeeze my
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: legs together and the stitches would like it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Back to the incision of the sector. Where is it.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It'd be in the same area of the scar down
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: in the middle. So they do is they cut you open?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: There's two holes something.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I hope I got me going. They actually.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It's a bull ring actually, and they go in and
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: they actually melt the tube.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of smell of burning skin.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, I was this smell?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: What's that smell?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: It's your balls, burning.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Flesh and boiled seamen, boiled.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I was sweating profusely, so much so they had to
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: peel me off the bed like I was stuck to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: like the leather the hospital, but like medical bed. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: then you meant to rest and recover a bit. In
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: said I went. I went out to the pub with
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the boys, and were.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: You able to enjoy yourself?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I clocked up fifteen k's on foot and I was swallowen,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: bruised up to my belly button.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, up in the gay bar. My nuts are out.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: The whole night, was just showing everybody my black testicles.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Actually they I was bruised up to my belly button
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: because I.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Because you went out dancing all night.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I was prepared to do that. Except when Lisa,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: because she had a sea section, they tied her tubes
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: during the sea section, so took the baby out, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: then you clamp the tubes so she can't get pregnant.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: The third one. Yeah, okay, was that always part of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the plan or was that in the surprise the plan
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: got you.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I mean I would have been happy to get the perseectomy.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: But then while we're in there, we.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Mate what about your second marriage?
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: So then that was kind of done, that was sold,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: it was fixed.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So now you don't have to have it anyway.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you can show me the right game club
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: to go.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Surry Hill, I love that when you If you were
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to have a map, let's plot out. Teddy come THEO.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Not many, no one does.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I've never heard him called to the I'll call him Teddy,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: then ted Jack, Francesca friend.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Never Frankie. Frankie has been considered. Frankie was out initial idea.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: She gets a bit of cheska like.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a cocktail comes with a lot of attitude.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: When you look at who was easy, who was hard?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Where do they rank on that graph thought it was
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: a map, Yeah, what do you want?
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Ted was easy being the first and when they talked
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: about the second being hard, Oh my god, Jack was
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: hard in what way? Sleep?
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: What we found out with Jack too, he was just
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: it was grumpy.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He was bloody grumpy.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: And then we got a baby whispering and we said, hey,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: what's wrong with this kid? And she said, he's exhausted,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean? She said, he's
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: not sleeping. So then we looked in his mouth and
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: he had the world's biggest tonsils. Oh massive, He had
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: a five milimeter gap down his throat.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Could he breathe?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Probably?
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: So he had sleep app near So I would hold him.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: This was the most unnerving thing. You would hold him
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: at night. He's a baby, he's one and a half.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: You'd hold him trying to get him to sleep. He'd
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: fall asleep, and then he'd go like you would see
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a sixty year old man who's had far too much
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: to drink, who's fallen asleep, has probably got a bit
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: of goup.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Also who's thirty three.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So we very quickly then had his tonsils out and
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: everything was fine.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Took us a while to realize why he was angry.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: It's crazy how much impact tonsils and ad noises I
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: have on and different impacts I haven't. Like, like I
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: was telling you about, Lenny had his hour, he splk
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: speaks completely different.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do get completely changed Japanese.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's a form of yeah, I can't understand.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: But that we've had it with all three of them.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: They all had massive tonsils, yes and tons.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: So that was a big game changer. And Francesca has
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: been a.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Hard sleeper as well from the get go.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think this feels more tactical than what
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Jack presented. Jack was just a bad sleep because he
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: couldn't sleep and he was tired, and Francesca was a
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: little feels like it's been a little more loaded. Okay,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I'll get them back in. Yeah I'm tired, but I'll
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: get them back in. I make them work for this.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Watch this. I've got them right here.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: What would you have to do? So we tried all
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: sorts of stuff, anyone by one of those dolls that
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: even had like a heartbeat or a vibration.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: We did that kids, so you feel loved by.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: But then we hired like with Tommy Ivy who you
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: know Maddie from our radio show Great Man, Great Man,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Thomas Bryan. He had like a like I'm not saying witchcraft,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: but someone who would almost perform a level of magic.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: So she would give us the routine of what you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: needed to do, and you'd follow that, and then what
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: would happen?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: A rabbit would come, Rabbit, is this your car?
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: You would do things where you had to like tap
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: on the door, so you'd go, Francesca, it's time to sleep,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and you would do it again, Francesca, it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Is time to sleep on the door.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: It's sleep time now, Francesca. And at least I would
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: be paid with a fortune with that going. This feels
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: like one of the great cons.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you think is this a bit for radio? Like?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Am I being conned?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Here? It's a pink smoke stuff. If that didn't work,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: it would be Francesca, it's time to sleep.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: A scrap. Yeah, And what's the thought that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was just creating some sort of sonic trigger
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: to make her realize that we're not coming in anymore.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: But we're here, Yeah, we're here. So the art would
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: be that you would then cut it back to just.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: A I've never heard of it it's good, it's good.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Morse code. Yeah, she's just gone back.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But it worked. I mean now she's older, so she's
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: sort of four now, So are you still tapping? Not tapping?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Anyone tapping out? I'm gone. But do you know what's hilarious?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Isn't that fascinating when you're a parent, how well you
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: get to know every sound in your house. So when
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: you're creeping out of a bedroom after padding a head
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: or holding a hand, you then have to creep out
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: of the house. You know, to walk on that side
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of the hallway.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You know where the creek is, like it's going to creak.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Really, hold on, old tap, you'll go.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: To the one time there's the floor here it is
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that you are back out.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Guilty you would you know every you know the creek
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and then my tap, my shower is on the other
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: side of her wall.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: So then you have tactical times about when you can
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: shower or you go downstairs to another bathroom. All those
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: little things you pick up.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You become like a bat with sonar hearing.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: If you're to be lying there and you and in
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: your phone or vibrate when a message will come from
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: oh my god, yeah.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Hell, hell, we call me, how how were you and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Lisa at this point when it before you got the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: witch for one of a better word into the house.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Hard really hard, as any parent would know. It's a killer,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: isn't it?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Did it hurt more because it's your third and you
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: think we should have it kind of dialed at this point.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I think one to two was harder. Really you always
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: hear that, you do hear that, And I think the
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: one is a shock where you have these moments of
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: oh my god, what did we do with our time
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: before we had this?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: What do we talk about?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And then two is just an extension. Two is
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: a major shock and then a made of mine too.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Back to Eddie Glenn, the fire hydrant guy, the fire
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: exting chef, he's like, he thinks he's a wise old
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: man and he goes, mate, you've got no time when
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: you have two. So what difference does it make when
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you have three?
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: About thirty three percent?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a third harder.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Again, So when Francesco, were you taking turns? And who's
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: putting her back to sleep? Because was it you had
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to hold her hand.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Or there's a lot of hand holding, and you would
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: lie even when she was in the co Just lie
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: on the floor, wouldn't you. Yeah, and you just your
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: hand is through the slats of the cot and you.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Just holding prison. Are you doing Morning Radio two?
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you know those times where I sat there
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and it would be midnight and to stop her crying?
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever did this. You put
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: your little finger in their mouth and they just like
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: a glassifier and they just suck on your fingers.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: So you wash your hands.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I put a glove on like they did at the hospital.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Who are you protecting her?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Are you?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: This kid was filtering like COVID baby twenty twenty riddled
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: with her.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: You just never know, you never know where she's been.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: To give me something to mean, I couldn't do riddle
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: time on a Friday, Sidney would be lost. So you'd
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: lie at midnight and they'd be sucking on you pinky
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: like it was a nipple, you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean, like a tit, and you're like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: what the fuck was doing in my life?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And you think and they'd stop and you go, can
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I move it now? And then you'd move and you'd
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: be back in again. So it was just well, you
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: know those times where you think I don't know how
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get through the next ten minutes. Do
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I bang my head against the wall or do I
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: just drink?
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Did anyone say anything at work when you're coming in
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and you're operating obviously a much lower percentage because you
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: just got no sleep. Is anyone saying, hey, whipp are
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you okay?
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: No? Not really? Duty of care? Do you know what
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the hardest part is, Like we are on this podcast,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: it's a relief to share stories like it's a relief
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: that you know that I know that we know what
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: you've gone through and what we all do. But it
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: doesn't make it easier. It doesn't take away the thick
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: of battle and when you're in there and you're going,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I don't I feel physically sick. I'm
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: so tired. Yeah, you know, Lisa had some postnatal depression.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I'm there trying to do the right thing where half
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: your job too as a dad. I think he's trying
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: to do the right thing by the newborn. So you
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: learn trying to learn it one hundred miles an hour,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: but then almost play a kick in front of your
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: wife to work out what she's going to need and
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: how I can help for whatever's around the corner. So
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: that was sort of the panic, and I think a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: lot of Dad's experience as well. That is how I've
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: dropped the tone slightly. No, I did highly impactful with
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the feelings and emotions. Man, am I right? Fellas Yeah,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: well said.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: When you talk about the fact that we're not sure
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: whether we go for a third or night, and it
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: does send a bit of a shiver down my spine
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: when you talk to people who have, you know, when
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: they're reminisced of time in the trenches, because for me,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I've kind of erased all that, and you do because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you like it was just forget fucking hell moments that
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: were great. I'll never forget. We I'm going to after
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: this record message Laura and be like, I think we
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: should just reconsider it because it's it's what's life like now?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Sensational? Okay, just the best. So tonight I'm going to
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: her school for wild night and I'm dressed as a
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: tiger and I can't wait wild. I don't know, let's
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: have wild night where you can turn up dressed to something.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And I think because because because of radio, I think
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: that the staff there at the kindergarten feel like I
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: must be village idiot. So I go, all, can't wait
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: to see what your dad Whipper's gonna wear it. So
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: she comes home and says, are they really excited about
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: what you're going to wear? Can you wear the cat suit?
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I don't have a choice. If I don't turn up,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I'm a disappointment.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the bars there disappoint my daughter.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: So tonight I will be a cat and I can't
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: want to be good luck with your eldest is nine
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: nine now At the moment, I'm kind of thinking about
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: the future with Marley.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: She's turning six next year. The kind of conversation. She's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: becoming very aware of the world around us, asking big questions.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: How is it with Ted?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Ted and Jack are sort of a team, so quite
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: often they'll be in the same position regarding questions, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: there's some fascinating topics.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: What have you had to tackle?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Like the other day we watched I get sick of
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: watching YouTube shorts. Right, I watch a lot of YouTube
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: shots like no, no, no, no, too much, too much, too quick.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I want you to understand concentrationspan and really engaging in something.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: So I don't mind YouTube, And I say, why don't
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: we I want it to be a learned experience, so
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I want adventure builds in or I want how's it made?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: So we watched how Crayon's made the other day and
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: where they come from and how many crowns are made.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I'm so bad. I mean, crowns are amazing.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: When they first launched, Crayola was the dominant playback then
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and still is today.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Is it made out of rocks?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: No? I can't remember. What is it? That's fat? That's fat, Yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: it's fat.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Let's filap Yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Like horse, it's made from horse.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they take it. They'll take a fourth leg off
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: a dog. If you see a three legged.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Dog, that's twenty four cranions right there.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Wow, plus the one he's got Still the next time,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: he's a crayon. Anyway, the prompt came up for the
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: next video, how to make condoms? Okay, and then Jack said,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: what's a condom? And Ted knew. I think I'd had
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: to chat to Ted about it for some reason. We've
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: never really shied away from being honest about how things work.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: And Ted said, oh, yeah, I know that, and said
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: to Jacket it's like a balloon and you put it
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: on your dude, all and it'll stop you from making
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: a baby. That's what I did.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Was this the YouTube view or jacket?
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: So then Jack said, this is where the extension of
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: all these topics is where it gets interesting. So Jack
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: then says, right, well, why would you have sex if
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: you didn't want to make a baby?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Very valid, very valid question.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I said, it's because it can feel good and it
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: can be fun.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: It's fun and it's something you do with someone that
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: you love.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Right, so then I want to have fun. Did you say,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: come into that? So I said, well, what does it
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: feel like? And I said, well, it's like I said,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: it's like a massage, a massage a message the other
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: day with the os that we went to. It's different
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: to that. So it's different to So it does does
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: it feel like when you go to Tanya? The messusses
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: that feel the same as when you're with Mom. Sometimes
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: it depends if it's really dark, and I don't actually know.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: It depends how much I've got and I don't know
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: how to answer, you know.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Those questions.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: It's funny the rabbit. I have this vivid memory of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: being so concerned. I can't remember how old I was,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: but I was like, Mom, how do you make sure
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you don't we whilst you're having sex?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Right? Question? Just a sum it would come out. That
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: was my biggest question.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, but how do you how does it not?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I've got I'm slightly traumatized. There's a school in my
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: area called Saint Augustine that we used to call them
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and orgasms. And I said to my mom, oh, yeah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: you know, and orgasms And she was like, would you
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: like me to tell you what an orgasm is? And
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I was like twelve, and I remember this vividly and
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, please don't, and she can. She
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: carried on, you know at that time, No, nope, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: she carried on to tell me intricately for forty five
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: minutes what an orgasm was.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: That's a vivid memory.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: That's why you've turned out like April's a lucky lady, is.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Because we still had an august because.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: We then Ted said had said earlier, you know, how
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: like when we got prior to this, how is the
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: baby made? So I'd explained it, but then he still
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: couldn't get his head around it. So he said, okay,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: so this so if it was this room in here,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: the sperm comes out of your painis it would go
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: across the floor and then into Moy's Johnny, we're not
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: traveling that.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: If you can do that, they go back back.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: You got yourself an industry. So I once again I
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: had to explain that the dude Ale goes into the
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Johnny and all of this, so they're always just I
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: love that you're learning at the same time, so you
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: don't have the written down answer and at the same
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: time this you don't have any prep.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know when the question is going to come,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: which direction is going to turn?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Quiz do you know the other one that I mentioned
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Because they go to a school which has a religious
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: element to it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: God made everything. Now, I don't care what you believe
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: in religious.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Wise, whatever faith might mean to you, there are some
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: basics which I think they need to understand, but it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: hard to explain. So I want them to have a
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: level of religious education so when they're older, you can
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: make the decision whether you want to partake and follow
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: by all means, and I think that's healthy for them
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: to understand how other people might be thinking. So then
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: you know, we did so we were doing some landscaping
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: in the backyard, so it very quickly got to well, oh,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: God's God made the house because God makes everything, because
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: it's good. They said, God makes everything, so God's make
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: doing the landscaping. The builders are doing the landscape. The
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: builder is God, the build it. No no, no no,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: So God, well God made this house. God made Australia.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: You know, God did Australia. And well you could say
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: that way to creation of the world was for good.
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: That might be quickly so it gets to this point
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: where and then at the end of dinner, we'll sit
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: the dinner and I go, okay, make sure we thank
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: mom for dinner and say, well, yeah, God did.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Got to dinner, and what you saw who made dinner?
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Thanks Mum for making dinner. That'd be awesome. I can't
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: wait till Oscar.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Oscar is already like so painful like that as well.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: And he's the same turning six. And he's always been
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: such a good talker from like he came out screamingly,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: didn't stop screaming and then just started talking. So well, yeah,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and just his line of questioning anyone down in the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: car and he's continued asking, You've asked a lot of
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: really good questions today, Buddy, but can you stop?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Isn't it funny how quie Often when you say, hey,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: great question, you're buying yourself time.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: If he didn't, I'll answer it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: And at the moment, you know, we have Christmas on
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: the way. So the elf on the shelf is out.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so elf on the shelf is out. Jack
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: said the other day, hang on a minute, is the
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: elf moving or are you moving the elf? And I said, well,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you that, but I'm going
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to tell you something and I'll be very clear about
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: it and go on. What's going on now? It's called
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: the magic of Christmas. Oh, so the magic of Christmas
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: can present all sorts of surprises, whether it's the elf
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: moving by itself, the feeling of excitement, the tree in
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: the corner of the room, it's all the magic of Christmas.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: You're going to say, it's God, God move the elf
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: called me down.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: We have to congratulate you, by the way, Yes, you
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: have been campaigning in recent months. I'm talking about thirty
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: six months. You'll push to get the age for youngsters
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: on social media raised from thirteen to sixteen. I wanted
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to know Ash, and I weren't quite sure how you
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: initially became involved involved in that campaign.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: It was a moment where, if you want all the detail,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I was sitting on the toilet and I that great
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: thinking time on the toilet, and I saw something and
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I've been talking about it with a mate, Rob Galutzo
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: for a while, and then I saw something that's stayed
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: by state. There were changes going on in the US,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: and I just had this sinking moment where I thought, imagine,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: like in your wireless dreams, it was almost a hypothetical.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Imagine if we could change the age of kids joining
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: social media from the platforms from thirteen to sixteen or
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: that thirty six month period. And then I thought to myself,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: do you know what if you're not going to act
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: on a gut feeling like I had. That moved me
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: so much in that moment. Shouldn't have said the toilet?
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: But should I shouldn't have said the toilet bit then
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I thought, then what are you ever going to do?
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: We're ever going to stand for? So Rob and I
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: had been talking and then I said, hey, mate, why
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: don't we do this? Why don't we launch this thing
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: called thirty six months and drive a campaign to change
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: the age Because the stories are just horrendous. You know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: the statistics about the hospitalization of young teens from self harm,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: it's up two hundred and seventy five percent. Wow. They
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: talk about I mean, Dove ran a fantastic campaign and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: it's the impact of social media, and their statistics read
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: that one in two young girls will experience some psychological
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: damage from the impact of social media.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: One in two.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: So we sit here now as parents and we think,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: imagine if there was a product on the shelf, like
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: a shampoo, and every second person that used it had
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: some sort of psychological damage, that product wouldn't be on
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the shelf for a second.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: More So, why does it exist now? And there are
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: so many layers to this.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: So there's so many layers to the bullying and the creepiness,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: and the other side of the coin is the attention
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: span of kids that they're selling and the smart algorithms.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: But you know, the bullying and the I mean social media.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I think the best way to describe it, it's an
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: insecurity amplifier. Oh yeah, and especially for young teens at
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: such a sensitive time going through puberty, trying to find
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: yourself and you know, sort of what we've been saying
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: is get to know yourself before the rest of the
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: world does. So that's why we launched. When was that
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: How long ago?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: That was in May?
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: So it's all happened really quickly. Yeah, point where we've
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: almost been surprised. And what's interesting, ninety five percent of
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: the signatures are mums. Wow. The power of the mother
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: army is massive.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: One last question before you go.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: When your children are all grown up, they're no longer
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: at home, when Cheska jack it so close, mate, when
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: they're no longer living with you under the regime, what's
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the one thing they'd like them to remember about the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: house they grew up in.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I would like to say fun. I know that sounds basic,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: but my dad was an only child and he said,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: you know what I love about coming to your house
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: to have dinner and things. It's always just fun. But
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: also the ridiculousness of the games that we make up
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: in the backyard, the little pro decks that are all
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: designed for bonding experiences. So recently we built a swing.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Every time we build something in the backyard, it costs
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: more than buying the bloody thing, but it's not about that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: So we built like a timber seat that we hung
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: from the tree. So to do that we had to
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: buy timber from Bunnings. And then we were all standing
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: and then we're all painting together in the garage and
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: then we hammer in the nails and then we strap
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: it up with the rope and we're all on the swing.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Kids in hospital. But it was it's not about the swing.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Like jack said the other day or for Mother's Day,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: we made flower presses and Jackson, dad, I'm not interested
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: in a flower press, I had to say to a mate,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: neither am I do you know what? Do you know
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: what it is about? It's about drilling the hole, It's
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: about choosing the flower. It's about going on the adventure
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: to Centennial Park to go and pick the flowers we
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: want to choose. And it's about going to buy a
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: frame to put it in for mum and writing some
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: nice words to much which we get all to do together.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: That's what it's about. Like we have a tinny that
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: we go fishing in. It's a four point two meter
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Quinn tracks. It's nothing flash and it's not about the fishing.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: It's about getting up and going, hey, Ted, you're the
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: captain today, so you've got to check that the rods
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: are there. You need to check the bungs are in
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: the boat. You need to check there's enough life jackets.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Put your captain's hat on, and we've got enough fuel,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: all right. So that's all it's about. Nothing to do
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: with the whether we catch it.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Have you actually caught any fish?
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Well, we take we put a GoPro down, so we
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: always go, we've caught something on camera, it's attached to
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: the so, yeah, we catch something on film.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my own microsman. What's the Quinn tracks?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Beautiful brand on mate, I'll take you out.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've It's been an absolute pleasure you guys
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: a great dad. Thank you very much.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: Guys, congratulations on a wonderful podcast.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Appreciated.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: What an absolute gentleman.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Loves the chat, loves it. Very funny, very funny guy
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: funny than I remember. I felt like you guys really
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: bonded over the renovations. Yes, we have to. We'll have
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: to cut out nine percent of the renovation chat because
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, shut up, we know it now. You know
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: how I feel. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: us a review or you can subscribe. Subscribe to make
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: sure that every brand new episode is delivered direct into
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: your inbox on Apple Podcasts or Spotify wherever you listen
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to us, and also social media. We have a beautiful, gorgeous, thriving,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: pulsating community online TikTok Pulsating Robin. If you want to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: pulsate with us, join us on Facebook. Two Doting Dads.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: We will accept you into the Pulsation party and until
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: next see you later. Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: traditional custodians of country throughout Australia and the connections to land,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: see and community.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate Islander
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: peoples today.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on Gadagal Land