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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 21) (5/18/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
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  left off with the Gallaine Maxwell deposition that led us
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  to where we are today. So let's get right back
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  to it. And as a refresher, Cigarett McCauley is asking
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  the questions and Glaiin Maxwell is giving the responses, So
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  let's get to it. McCauley, are you aware of any
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  grand theft police report relating to Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I
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  believe I've read a report in the press on that. McCauley.
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  Did you provide the press with a report on a
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  grand theft by Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I don't know how
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  the press got that story. McCauley, do you know if
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  Virginia Roberts committed a grand theft? Maxwell? I only know
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  what I read in the press. McCauley, did you ever
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  state to the press that Virginia Roberts committed a grand theft? Maxwell,
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  I've never had any conversation directly with the press. McCauley,
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  did any of your representatives ever inform the press that
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  Virginia Roberts committed theft? Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell, I have no way of knowing what
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  my representative said to the presser didn't McCauley. Did they
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  ever discuss with you the fact that they were going
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  to report that Virginia Roberts participated in a grand theft? Maxwell,
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  I don't know how. First of all, I don't know how.
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  I know that I believe I read it in a
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  press report. So McCauley, I'm going to mark this as
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  composite exhibit Maxwell fourteen. Please, McCauley, I'm going to direct
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  you to page GM zero zero one zero nine. At
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  the top of that page, you were going to see
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  an email address from Jeffrey Epstein on Sunday, June twelfth,
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  twenty eleven, to redacted. Maxwell. Yes, McCauley. The ri line says,
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  this is the actual version they wanted me to send,
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  which I changed, but this is back from my UK lawyers.
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  Do you see that, Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. If you go
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  down further, you're going to see halfway through the page,
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  you will see your email address the redacted, and you
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  will see a statement that says thank you, I have
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  it now I'm working on the letter a little. I
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  will send the final version tomorrow and whatever is in
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  it will be factually accurate. Beneath that you will see
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  redacted who I believe you identified earlier as one of
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  your attorneys Maxwell, Uh huh McCauley, and you will see
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  a letter starting the text of a letter, I want
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  you to turn to the second page, which is GM
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  zero zero one one zero. About halfway through the page,
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  it says you will also presumably draw attention to the
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  fact that, prior to filing her suit against mister Epstein,
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  Miss Roberts fled the US to avoid being arrested for
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  grand theft. Police report available? And what grand theft were
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  you referring to that Virginia Roberts committed Tagliuca objection to
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  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know, However,
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  I believe she stole money from somewhere where she worked. McAuley.
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  How do you know that was grand Maxwell? I don't
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  know how I know that, McCauley. So you authorized a
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  statement that characterized that is grand theft without knowing whether
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  it was grand theft? Maxwell, what month? What is the
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  date of this, McCauley. The date of this is June twelfth,
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  twenty eleven. Maxwell, So I'm afraid such a long time ago,
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  I'm not sure how I really couldn't testify as to
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  how that language ended up in here. McCauley, Do you
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  have the police report? It says police report available. Do
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  you have that document? Maxwell? I don't have that document, McCauley.
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  Who does? Maxwell? I have no idea. McCauley. Would your
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  lawyer redacted have that document? Maxwell? I don't know who
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  has this document. McCauley. What's your basis in that statement
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  for saying that miss Roberts fled the US? Maxwell, Again,
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  you are asking me for a statement that I made
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  in twenty eleven, and I can't say what in twenty
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  eleven exactly the basis of that statement was, McCauley. So
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  you don't know whether or not that statement is true. Maxwell.
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  This is in twenty eleven and it never went out,
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  So I'm not exactly sure. McCauley. But you said in
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  your email that you were working to make it factually accurate.
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  Is that correct? Maxwell? That's what it says. McCauley. I'm
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  going to mark as Maxwell fifteen A document dated February
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  twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, Maxwell, Exhibit fifteen email marked for identification. McCauley,
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  this is an email from redacted who you've identified as
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  you are redacted on February twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, to redacted,
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  which I understand to be your email address and redacted.
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  The subject line says vr crid rape prior case dismissed
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  as prosecutor's founder, not to be credible. The message says
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  Glane some helpful leakage dot dot dot dot dot. What
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  is it you were leaking to the press, mister Pagliuca objection.
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  There is no foundation that she leaked anything. And you know, McCauley,
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  what was it that you were leaking to the press
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  in that statement? Maxwell, again, I don't think that's what
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  we're referring to. That's just referring to the press getting
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  a hold of whatever story it is. McCauley, what was
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  redacted leaking to the press. Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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  form and the foundation. Maxwell. It doesn't say redacted was
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  leaking anything. It doesn't say that, McCauley. The statement says
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  helpful leakage. Is that correct? Maxwell? It says helpful leakage.
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  That doesn't mean he leaked anything, McCauley, did you leak
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  to the press information about the subject line vr cried
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  rate prior case dismissed as prosecutors found are not credible. Maxwell,
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  I don't no idea what redacted is referring to. I
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  think he is referring to the press held the story.
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  I couldn't testify to that. McCauley, Did you leak to
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  the press information regarding the statement vr cried rate prior
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  case dismissed as prosecutors found are not credible, either through
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  you or through redacted? Answer? I think this is coming
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  from the Daily Mail, McCauley. That is not my question.
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  I'm asking whether you or redacted leak that. Maxwell. I
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  have no knowledge. I have no idea. I'm sorry, I can't.
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  I have no recollection. I have no idea what she
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  is talking about. McCauley. I'm going to mark this as sixteen.
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  Maxwell exhibits sixteen email marked for identification. McCauley, this is
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  an email addressed at the top from Jeffrey Epstein on Monday,
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  January twelfth, twenty fifteen, to redacted, which I understand to
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  be your email address. The email reads you can issue
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  a reward to any of Virginia's friends, acquaintances, family that
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  come forward to help prove her allegations are false. The
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  strongest is the redacted dinner and the new version of
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  the virgin Islands that Redacted practiced in an underage Georgie,
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  did you offer any rewards to Virginia's family or friends
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  to contradict Virginia's story? That's the same strategy, just to
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  interject here, that Leon Black was using, basically putting a
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  bounty out on the accuser. Friends and family, come forward,
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  get some of my money. Maxwell, Absolutely not. McCauley. Did
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  Jeffrey Epstein offer any rewards to any of Virginia's as
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  he suggests here, friends, families, or acquaintances to contradict Virginia's story?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the Forum and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I have no idea what he did. McCauley. Did he
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  tell you he was going to offer rewards to Virginia's acquaintances, friends,
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  and family to prove her allegations were false? Answer by Maxwell,
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  He did not. McCauley. Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein
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  paid redacted to give testimony about Virginia Roberts? Maxwell I
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  don't know who redacted is, McCauley, so you don't know
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  whether Jeffrey Epstein paid her. Maxwell, I don't know who
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  redacted is. McCauley. Have you ever contacted any of Virginia's friends, acquaintances,
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  or family regarding this case? Maxwell, I don't know who
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  Virginia's friends or family are, and I have not contacted
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  anybody related to her in any way, shape or form. McCauley,
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  I will turn you. I believe it's the thicker document,
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  which is Maxwell. I believe it was fourteen right there,
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  the compilation document to GM at the bottom GM zero
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  zero zero seven to one. You actually may want to
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  turn the prior page seventy so you can see the
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  email chain at the top of the page. Mister Pagliuca,
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  I don't have a zero zero zero seven to one. McCauley.
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  It's the second page in that document, pag Leuka. Okay, McCauley.
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  It's dated Friday, March eleventh, twenty eleven, from Maxwell to
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  Jeffrey with the title daily Mail. And there is a
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  forward from redacted to you and a number of other
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  individuals that's on the cover page. And as you scroll
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  to the second page. You are going to see that
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  part of the chain that I'm asking about, and that
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  is is the chain at the bottom which is dated
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  three ten, twenty eleven from redacted, and it says we
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  think we should think about the letter to the editor.
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  School can be university. Age of consent in Florida is
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  complex see below. If you are sixteen years old, a
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  sexual relationship with someone eighteen to twenty four is legal
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  in Florida two persons between sixteen and twenty four Florida
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  Statutes seven ninety four DOTZ five. A person twenty four
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  years of age or older who engages in sexual activity
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  with a person sixteen or seventeen years of age commits
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  a felony in the second degree. So as soon as
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  you turn sixteen, you are able to have sexual relations,
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  and you can have sexual relations with the minor under
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  the age of eighteen until your twenty fourth birthday. Why
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  were you concerned with the age of consent in Florida,
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  mister Pagliuca objection to the form and foundation of the question. Maxwell,
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  I wasn't concerned. I think this was somebody sending me
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  the statute for informational purposes. McCauley, who is redacted. Maxwell,
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  he is the person who redacted boss. I believe I
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  don't know what the relationship is. McCauley. I didn't hear
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  you Maxwell, redacted. I'm not sure exactly, McCauley. Why would
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  he be sending you information addressing concerns about the age
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  of consent in Florida? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell, I think he was just trying
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  to be telling me details that would happen. Virginia in
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  eleven was claiming she was fifteen and we thought she
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  was seventeen. I didn't know what the statutes were in Florida,
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  and I think he was just trying to be helpful
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  so I would know. McCauley, did you have a concern
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  that you had violated the statute in Florida? Pagliuca objection
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  to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, No, McCauley. Did
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  you have a concern that Jeffrey Epstein had violated this
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  statute in Florida? Maxwell, I'm not concerned what happened with Jeffrey.
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  I'm only concerned with what happens with me. McCauley, did
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  you communicate with redacted about the sexual consent age in Florida.
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  Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. It mistates
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  her testimony. Maxwell, I wasn't concerned. I think he was
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  actually being helpful and stating what the statute was. McCauley,
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  I'm going to turn you now, in that same stack
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  to the Bates number GM zero zero zero eight eight
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  at the top of the email you were going to
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  see Jeffrey Epstein dated June eighth, twenty eleven to you,
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  and it's got a line Vanity Fair. If you go
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  down the chain, you will see where it says under
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  your email. Do you have a problem with anything I said?
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  Were you communicating with Jeffrey to confirm what statements you
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  could put in any press releases you were given? Mister
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  Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell. Any
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  interest I have is in accuracy, McCauley. Were you confirming
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  with Jeffrey Epstein what information you could put in a
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  press release? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, Again,
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  I'm only looking for accuracy, McCauley. Why would you ask
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  him if he had a problem with anything you were saying? Maxwell?
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  If there is anything I characterize that is not correct. McCauley,
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  that's not what you said. You said, do you have
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  a problem with anything I said? Pagliuka objection to the
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  form and the foundation. There is no question pending McCauley,
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  there is, Pagliuka. That's not a question, it's a statement. McCauley,
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  don't interrupt me. McCauley. Did you say, do you have
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  a problem with anything? I said? Maxwell? That was asking,
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  in my parlance, that I wanted him to check it
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  for accuracy. McCauley. Did he tell you there was anything
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  inaccurate about that statement? Maxwell? Again, I have to read
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  the whole thing to figure it out. McCauley, were you
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  coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein during this time period in twenty
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  eleven regarding statements that you were issuing to the press. Pagliuka?
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  Did you withdraw the last question? McCauley, I'm not withdrawing anything.
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  I'm asking a question. Pagliuka, there was a question pending.
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  You didn't let the witness answer the question, then you
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  moved on to another question. So I'm asking for clarification
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  for the record. Now, which question are we answering? McCauley,
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  There is an answer. The question was, did he tell
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  you anything there was anything in the statement inaccurate about
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  the statement? And she said, again, I read the whole
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  thing the witness, I would love to McCauley. Maxwell said
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  that she would have to read the whole thing to
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  figure it out. Pagliuka. Then she started reading it, and
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  then you asked another question, McCauley. That's the question, Pagliuka.
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  I'm wondering if it's still pending McCauley. It was answered, McCauley.
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  Were you coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein during the time period
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  in twenty eleven regarding the statements you were issuing to
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  the press? Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I only wanted to be accurate in any factual statements
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  that I made. McCauley, you knew at the time that
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  Jeffrey Epstein had been convicted for sexual abuse of a minor.
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  Is that correct, mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell. He was sentenced, I believe, for underage
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  soliciting and underage prostitute. McCauley, you knew that he was
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  a registered sex offender. Maxwell, Yes, McCauley, you were coordinating
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  with them with that statement that you were going to
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  be making to the press to confirm whether they were
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  accurate in your words. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell, I was not coordinating with Jeffrey.
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  He had details that I did not have. I was
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  not party to his case. I needed to have information
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  in order to be able to respond, so I was
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  not coordinating with them. I was merely asking for details
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  that I could have. McCauley. Did Jeffrey write any of
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  your press statements for you? Maxwell? No, McCauley, did he
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  draft any of them? Maxwell, I have a lawyer who
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  was working on this, and that was I asked. I
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  believe as I I recollect asked him for information to
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  make sure I was being accurate in the representations for
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  whatever I was discussing. McCauley, did Jeffrey provide you with
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  any drafts of statements to provide to the press, Maxwell,
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  I only recall drafts from my lawyer, McCauley. I will
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  mark this as Maxwell seventeen. McCauley, this is an email
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  from you on January tenth, twenty fifteen. To redact it.
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  The statement you had before you earlier that if you
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  can pull that in front of you, the one page
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  press release that you gave you might not know it
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  from memory, was the press release that you issued with
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  the statement about Virginia, issued in or around January second,
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  twenty fifteen. Maxwell, As best as I can recollect, McCauley,
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  I want you to turn your attention to the document
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  I just handed you, which is Bates number zero zero
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  one zero four to four from you to redacted. It
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  says in the first sentence, I'm out of my debt
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  to understand defamation other legal hazards, as I don't want
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  to end up in a lawsuit and at me from
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  anyone if I can help it. Apparently, even saying Virginia
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  is a liar is a hazard. You knew at the
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  time you called Virginia a liar in early January twenty fifteen,
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  that that was something that would result in a lawsuit.
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  Is that correct, mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
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  the foundation, Maxwell, I have legal advice that I took, McCauley,
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  but you knew in early January by making a statement
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  calling Virginia a liar that you were subjecting yourself to
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  a legal dispute with her. Mister Pakliuka objection to the
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  form and the foundation. Maxwell, I took legal advice as
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  to what should be said and not be said, and
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  the legal advice that came from the United Kingdom was
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  Pagliuka interjects, you are not allowed to talk about any
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  legal advice that you got from anybody that's a lawyer. Maxwell. Sorry, McCauley,
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  So is it correct without telling me that you talk
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  to your lawyers about that you knew, because this is
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  dated January tenth, that when you made this statement in
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  early January January second of twenty fifteen, you knew that
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  calling Virginia a liar would subject you to legal action.
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  Isn't that correct? Pagliuka objection to the form and foundation
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  as to what you knew. Whatever she knows would be privileged. McCauley,
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  I'm asking you if she knows. I'm not asking her
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  to tell me about the privileged communications. Maxwell. All I
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  can say is I asked a question and received legal advice.
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  All right, folks, We're going to wrap up right there,
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  and in the next episode we'll pick up where we
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  left off. All of the information that goes with this
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