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5/5/26: Polymarket Exec Caught On Hot Mic, Fox Praises Eric Trump Corruption, MTG Says MAGA Is Dead · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 1: Turning down to gambling.
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Speaker 3: Loath to cover clovicular, but it is in this particular
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Speaker 3: case actually relevant to our coverage. This was the Polymarket
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Speaker 3: executive who was caught on a hot mic speaking with
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Speaker 3: the kickstreamer. Looksmaxer, let's take a listen. He's the guys,
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Speaker 3: stop on it.
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Speaker 1: Interesting.
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Speaker 3: So that was the Polymarket CMO saying you have to
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Speaker 3: understand bro and then saying, oh, hold on, because realize
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Speaker 3: that he was live.
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Speaker 1: He was on a hot mic.
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Speaker 3: Now we don't really know what they were talking about,
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Speaker 3: but it's a fun and a catchy way of actually
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Speaker 3: feeding some of you your vegetables who have been doing
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Speaker 3: a little bit too much polymarket betting. Let's put the
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Speaker 3: next one up there on the screen. Why almost everyone
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Speaker 3: loses except a few sharks on prediction markets. Wall Street
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Speaker 3: Journal analysis shows only a small number of accounts on
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Speaker 3: polymarket and calshi often pros use using data driven algorithmic
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Speaker 3: trading take home most of the winnings, and they specifically
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Speaker 3: point to the fact that on poly market, sixty seven
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Speaker 3: percent of profits go to just point one percent of accounts.
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Speaker 3: That means less than two thousand accounts netted a total
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Speaker 3: of nearly half a billion dollars. Journal analyzed one point
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Speaker 3: six million poly markets accounts that have traded since November
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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two. There are at least two point
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Speaker 3: three million total accounts on the site, meaning just zer
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Speaker 3: point one percent on polymarket take home sixty seven percent
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Speaker 3: of the profits. On calshi, losers vastly outnumber winners. Spokesperson
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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Diana said that there are two point nine unprofitable
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Speaker 3: users for every profitable one based on data from the
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Speaker 3: past month, so a three to one lose to win ratio.
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Speaker 3: She said that the number is subject to change as
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Speaker 3: the exchange grows. Total trading volume on both platform has
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Speaker 3: now rocketed to twenty four billion dollars in April, up
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Speaker 3: from one point eight billion a year earlier. Twenty four
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Speaker 3: billion dollars traded in a single month on these platforms, who,
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Speaker 3: by the way, they claim is not gambling. However, the
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Speaker 3: statistics on this bear out in the exact same way
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Speaker 3: that they do in every casino in the world and
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Speaker 3: on every sports betting Yeah, very very few people will
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Speaker 3: actually make money. I believe that the sports betting number
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Speaker 3: is five percent of accounts will ever take profit. The
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Speaker 3: vast majority will either break even or lose. And most
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Speaker 3: of the losers are so big that they lose the
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Speaker 3: vast majority.
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Speaker 1: They're called gambling addicts.
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Speaker 3: And then, yeah, and every casino in the world, you know,
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Speaker 3: a few sharks. They do their best to make sure
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Speaker 3: that they're not allowed to, you know, play blackjack or
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Speaker 3: something like that. Everybody else is allowed to play at
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Speaker 3: a losing percent every once in a while if somebody
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Speaker 3: will win. But to be honest, looking at this data,
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Speaker 3: you are better off shooting craps and like betting even
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Speaker 3: the dumbest bets on the table. Then you are sports
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Speaker 3: betting parlays and or playing on like trying to do
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Speaker 3: political or event market predictions, you're just not going to win.
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Speaker 2: Just recall from our previous coverage that one of the
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Speaker 2: ways they identify people who are like Dombin going to
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Speaker 2: lose a lot of money is whether or not they're
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Speaker 2: doing parlays. Yeah, just so you know, like next time
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Speaker 2: you're thinking about like, oh, they offered me, you know,
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Speaker 2: this deal, and I think that all these are going
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Speaker 2: to hit, they're not going to hit. Like, you are
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Speaker 2: not the shark.
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Speaker 1: You are the loser.
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Speaker 2: You are the chump who's getting manipulated and is going
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Speaker 2: to lose your money ultimately. You know, maybe not, maybe
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Speaker 2: you'll have one day where you win, but over time
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Speaker 2: you are going to just feed money into this system.
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Speaker 2: The other thing that's funny is they they love to
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Speaker 2: fish themselves as like, oh, it's the wisdom of the crowd,
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But if the crowd is overwhelmingly losing
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Speaker 2: and getting it wrong, then how wise is the crowd that?
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Speaker 3: Like, By the way, it is the wisdom of the
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Speaker 3: crowd that's the secret. Okay, and without dispouraging everybody if
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Speaker 3: you're look I honestly, gambling has been the most blackpiling
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Speaker 3: thing I've ever covered. I have never seen so many millions,
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Speaker 3: tens of millions of people piss their money away willingly
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Speaker 3: and with the knowledge that they will lose.
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Speaker 1: I tell them they'll lose, and they tell me I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's it's no differently. It's no different than like,
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Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to the casino or for
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Speaker 2: like the day traders out there who don't really know
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Speaker 2: what they're doing, and they, you know, the people who
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Speaker 2: are winning on poly market very much like the people
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Speaker 2: who win in the market in general, like they're doing
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Speaker 2: algorithmic trading. They have these sophisticated ways of sort of
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Speaker 2: like poaching, arbitrage opportunities, et cetera. They're not approaching this
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Speaker 2: the way that you're approaching it. And again it's a
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Speaker 2: very small handful of people, and they even lose also
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Speaker 2: sometimes like that is not you. But the difference is
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Speaker 2: just to have it all so readily available so that
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Speaker 2: it's done at scale is such a disaster. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we've long seen like a lot of tickets as attacks
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Speaker 2: on poor people and this is the same that you
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Speaker 2: get people who are you know, want to have the
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Speaker 2: dream of I'm going to be able to make it.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to be financially comfortable and
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Speaker 2: not be so stressed all the time, like this is
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Speaker 2: going to be my path because there's no other path
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Speaker 2: that I can figure out that is available to me.
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Speaker 2: And so you're creating a false hope an impression among people.
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Speaker 2: And this is effectively what our country is like amounted
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Speaker 2: to at this point, is these bets on either crypto
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Speaker 2: or fan duels or polymarket that oh, this time you're
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Speaker 2: going to hit the lotto.
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Speaker 1: No, no, you're not. Let me read the intro for
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Speaker 1: this journal.
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Speaker 3: This is prototypical example exactly what I'm talking about. John Peterson,
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Speaker 3: thirty three, couldn't find work. The former out by back
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Speaker 3: steakhouse line cook, was recovering from a car crash and
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Speaker 3: running out of money. Calshi promised a quick way to
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Speaker 3: fix that. He took out a variable interest loan and
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Speaker 3: started betting. At first it worked, Peterson turned two thousand
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Speaker 3: into close to eight thousand by betting on daily snowfall
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Speaker 3: totals in Detroit, where he lives. He parlayed that into
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Speaker 3: forty one thousand dollars by trading on sports using a
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Speaker 3: strategy he developed with the help of AI. Then he
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Speaker 3: placed his most audacious bet of all, forty one thousand
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Speaker 3: that a celebrity would say a particular word on TV.
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Speaker 3: He lost it all, and this is a classic casino strategy.
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Speaker 3: One of the reasons why casinos don't care when you
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Speaker 3: win is they know that ninety five percent of you
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Speaker 3: are so dumb that you will keep playing to win
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Speaker 3: even more and thus lose all of it. This is
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Speaker 3: like the tried and true when you win there, Oh
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Speaker 3: you want another drink, you want something? Oh, let me
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Speaker 3: compy a night so you can keep staying here. Why
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Speaker 3: do you think they do that out of the goodness
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Speaker 3: of their heart?
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Speaker 4: It's math.
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Speaker 3: The more you play, the more you lose, period, end
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Speaker 3: of story. The best thing this idiot could have done
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Speaker 3: is been taking his forty one thousand dollars, walked away
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Speaker 3: and oh, I don't know, maybe get a job, not
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Speaker 3: to be all boomer Republican, like boots, you know, get
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Speaker 3: some bootstraps or something, but for real here like you
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Speaker 3: took out a variable interest loan, a very first of all,
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Speaker 3: variable interest loan.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like, who's still doing that?
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Speaker 5: Then?
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Speaker 1: Second of all, you start betting with your variable interest loan? Brother,
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Speaker 1: do you have a plan at all?
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Speaker 4: Ye?
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Speaker 3: Let me guess whenever he was up, he didn't pay
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Speaker 3: off his variable interest loan at least to make sure
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Speaker 3: that he was only betting money, which while he was
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Speaker 3: in the black.
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Speaker 1: Like, what are we doing? This is?
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I look at this and I
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Speaker 3: know this sounds deeply paternalistic, like I do with all
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Speaker 3: things whenever it comes to vice. Like, I'm sorry, bro,
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Speaker 3: Like we in your own interests and in all of
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Speaker 3: our interests, we can't allow this shit to happen like period,
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Speaker 3: Because guess what Peterson, if you were forty one thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars just lost and you already took out a variable
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Speaker 3: interest loan, dude, we all know this story like unemployment
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Speaker 3: welfare something like you know, and guess who's going to
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Speaker 3: pay for that?
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Speaker 1: Us?
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Speaker 4: Lotto?
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Speaker 1: You talked about what's the justification for lotto? Ooh, pays
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Speaker 1: for the schools. Raise the property tax? Okay, yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: better off?
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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean what you're effectively doing again tax
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Speaker 2: on for people like the people who are least able
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Speaker 2: to pay are the ones who end up losing money
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Speaker 2: there and spending you know, dollars, five dollars at a
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Speaker 2: time whatever. And so you know, there's two groups that
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Speaker 2: can probably got the ones that are like very sophisticated
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Speaker 2: and have whatever algorithmic approach that works out for them.
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Speaker 2: And then you have the insider traders and there's a
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Speaker 2: little there's a lot of those. Let's put D three
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Speaker 2: up on the screen. So this is Financial Times report. Huh,
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Speaker 2: this is interesting. While overall the numbers of these bets
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Speaker 2: that work out as very small, half half of the
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Speaker 2: long shot polymarket bets on military action are successful. What
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Speaker 2: do you think is going on there?
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Speaker 1: People?
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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on there? So they said,
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Speaker 2: this is according to a report that suggests prediction markets
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Speaker 2: could pose a bigger threat than previously recognized to the
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Speaker 2: security of sensitive information. Analysis by the Anti Corruption Data Collective,
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Speaker 2: a nonprofit research and advocacy group, found that long shot
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Speaker 2: bets defined as wagers of twenty five hundred dollars or
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Speaker 2: more at odds of thirty five percent or less on
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Speaker 2: the platform, had an average win rate of about fifty
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Speaker 2: two percent. When it comes to military in defense actions.
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Speaker 2: That compares with a win rate of twenty five percent
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Speaker 2: across all politics focused markets and just fourteen percent for
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Speaker 2: all markets on the platform as a whole. And so
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Speaker 2: what they point to you here is that this is obvious.
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Speaker 2: If you have something where there's a specialized special knowledge
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Speaker 2: held within a small group of people, which military action
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Speaker 2: is a perfect example of, it's going to be ripe
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Speaker 2: for insider trading.
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Speaker 1: And that is what's going on here.
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Speaker 2: They did just indict one guy for betting on the
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Speaker 2: Maduro raid, which is good, although I mean we're going
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Speaker 2: to cover with Isaac the way that like this insider
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Speaker 2: trading seems to be rife part of a strategy within
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration if you look at the way major
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Speaker 2: bets on economic news are timed, like by Trump's truths
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Speaker 2: about tariffs or or gas or whatever is going on.
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Speaker 2: But in any case, this appears to be extremely commonplace.
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Speaker 2: So when you look at their numbers overall, of like, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: this percent of people win, we only have three losers
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Speaker 2: for every one, you know, for every one winner, that's
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Speaker 2: not so bad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But that one winner.
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Speaker 2: Was like on the special ops team that knew that
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Speaker 2: the raid was going to happen. So you know, unless
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Speaker 2: you have special inside knowledge, it makes your chances of
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Speaker 2: winning even lower than is presented to the public.
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Speaker 3: Everything should be asked in terms of what benefit can
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Speaker 3: we possibly have from this? What social utility does being
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Speaker 3: able to bet on Detroit snowfall totals give the United
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Speaker 3: States of America nothing except for a guy like John
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Speaker 3: to lose all of his money.
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 3: That's the only reason. Now many would say, well, do
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Speaker 3: you support the stock market? Well, first of all, I
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Speaker 3: would make it a lot more regulated. But you know,
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Speaker 3: there's actually an argument for capital markets. You know what
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Speaker 3: the argument is is that you need to be able
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Speaker 3: to raise capital to be able to do different various projects,
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Speaker 3: so we can employ people. Now, I oppose share buybacks
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Speaker 3: and all the other sophisticated financial thing, but the bedrock
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Speaker 3: principle of a capital market, by the way, where everybody
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Speaker 3: can raise, where companies can raise money and other people
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Speaker 3: can share and said profit in a long run, especially
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Speaker 3: when index and mutual funds which are low cost, is
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Speaker 3: a social benefit to the people take advantage of that,
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Speaker 3: where it actually eraises the aggregate wealth of the country
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Speaker 3: and supposedly creates a feedback loop.
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Speaker 1: Now you could even make an argument that itself is bad,
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Speaker 1: which I would love to listen to.
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Speaker 3: But my point is just that's a long enough one
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Speaker 3: hundred year old concept which is largely proven out over
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Speaker 3: the laste hundred years or so, especially with a lot
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Speaker 3: of bumps in the road, like oh, I don't know
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Speaker 3: the Great Depression, Well this time around, there's no benefit whatsoever,
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Speaker 3: like the wisdom of the crowd. What wisdom do you
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Speaker 3: need to bet snowfall totals? Why have you ever met
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Speaker 3: degenerate gamblers? Degenerate gamblers are people who will bet on
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Speaker 3: whether an airline gate agent will use her left hand
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Speaker 3: or her right hand in order to make the announcement.
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Speaker 1: I'm not joking. This has actually happened in the Vegas airport.
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Speaker 1: That's what people bet on.
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Speaker 3: That's what we're basically enabling with various different things like this.
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Speaker 3: There's no social utility whatsoever. Same with whenever it comes
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Speaker 3: to betting on the Maduro raid. Why or this guy
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Speaker 3: lost all his money on whether a celebrity would say
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Speaker 3: a particular.
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Speaker 1: Word, what like? How can you allow this in society?
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Speaker 2: And then and creating incentives to like rig and manipulate
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Speaker 2: like basic facets of everyday life, you know, like the
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Speaker 2: guy who was changing the temperature at the airport, or
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Speaker 2: I always use it as I'm so seared in my mind,
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Speaker 2: but like throwing the dildos on the WNBA court, you know,
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Speaker 2: it makes every It creates another level of fakery and
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Speaker 2: phoniness over all of our political and cultural life.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then last thing here, just to you know,
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Speaker 3: give some context when they said that the military bets
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Speaker 3: of a fifty two percent win rate whenever it's sized
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Speaker 3: over twenty five hundred dollars, just to give you some context.
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Speaker 3: If you are a sports better and you win fifty two,
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Speaker 3: like a really skilled fifty two, you are a world
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Speaker 3: class sports better because you beat the big and that
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Speaker 3: means that in the long run that you're actually going
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Speaker 3: to be profitable. Now you're gonna have to lay a
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Speaker 3: lot of money to actually make some because you're going
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Speaker 3: to lose a decent number. Or a fifty two percent
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Speaker 3: win rate indicates that you're not a skilled better and
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Speaker 3: your actual just inside your rating. So what's more likely
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Speaker 3: that you're a deeply skilled geopolitical analyst.
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Speaker 1: Or you're just an insider trader?
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Speaker 3: Especially when we compare to all of the other wagers
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Speaker 3: across the platform, let's say, whenever it comes to sports,
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Speaker 3: politics and events, and even then, the win rates on
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Speaker 3: those are garbage.
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Speaker 1: They're like fourteen twenty five percent.
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Speaker 3: Like genuinely in these cases, you're better off just go
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Speaker 3: to a casino, just go piss your money in the
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Speaker 3: slot machine.
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Speaker 1: Rather than do this.
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Speaker 3: You actually will win, You would win more than if
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Speaker 3: you were to participate in these events.
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Speaker 2: And at least there's some sort of barrier of you
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Speaker 2: have to like go go to the emails, you know,
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Speaker 2: and spend time there and like, you know, the.
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Speaker 3: Next ninety year old with a maga hat on an
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Speaker 3: empizema tank, ask me how I know.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So, like these are real people. You should see
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Speaker 1: what it does to people.
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Speaker 3: All right, anyway, soapbox over, Let's get to Isaac.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to Isaac, who's standing.
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Speaker 2: By so One thing that I think we have struggled
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Speaker 2: to cover as extensively as we should is the epic
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Speaker 2: level of corre option in the Trump government and with
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Speaker 2: Trump and his family in particular. So fortunately for us,
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Speaker 2: Isaac salf, founder of Tangle News, has gone in and
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Speaker 2: done the work over the past year or so, compiling
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Speaker 2: as much as we can possibly get about the various
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Speaker 2: corrupt skill schemes and dealings, compiling it into one comprehensive
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Speaker 2: piece to truly understand the scale and magnitude of the
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Speaker 2: level of corruption we're experiencing, which is truly unlike anything
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Speaker 2: we have seen before. And Isaac now joins us, great
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Speaker 2: to see you.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, guys, glad to be here as
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Speaker 4: you dude.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
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Speaker 2: So let's put your story up on the screen here,
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Speaker 2: which is the everything, everywhere, all at once corruption story.
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Speaker 2: Well said, and I also want to as a jumping
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Speaker 2: off point here just to get at the level of
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Speaker 2: sort of brazenness and how this has just become part
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Speaker 2: of the water that we swim in with the Trump administration.
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Speaker 2: This clip of Eric Trump, the President's son, appearing on
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Speaker 2: Fox News and being congratulated for contracts that his company
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Speaker 2: won with the Pentagon as a as if this is
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Speaker 2: a completely like normal and above board thing.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to.
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Speaker 5: That, and the company's chief strategy advisor, Eric Trump, president
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Speaker 5: Trump's son, Congratulations to you both, thanks so much for
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Speaker 5: being here.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Maranuch for having us.
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Speaker 2: Maria and as you rightly, Isaac and the Peace point out,
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Speaker 2: like we spent a lot of time and you spent
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Speaker 2: a lot of time thinking about Hunter Biden and potential corruption.
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Speaker 2: Nothing compared to this. Imagine Hunter Biden going on MSNBC
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Speaker 2: and having their congratulations on this contract you scored with
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Speaker 2: the Pentagon. I mean, it's unimaginable. But before we get
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Speaker 2: into some of the specific details of your piece, just
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Speaker 2: talk about that climate and the environment it's created for
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Speaker 2: journalists and the way that this has just become kind
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Speaker 2: of a an accepted part of the way that the
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Speaker 2: Trump administration operates.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I mean there's something happening where it feels kind of
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Speaker 5: like we're under a bit of a cell. And I
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Speaker 5: don't really know how to explain it. But I think
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Speaker 5: for the opponents of the president, you know, Democrats, people
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Speaker 5: who didn't vote for him, there's just so much coming
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Speaker 5: out of the fire hose every day it's hard to
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Speaker 5: get your head around it. And I think they don't
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Speaker 5: know really where to focus or where to attack, or
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Speaker 5: which allegations even prosecute. And then the people who support him,
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Speaker 5: I mean, the brazen ness they're being so forward about it.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Trump told The New York Times. Look, my
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Speaker 5: first term, we tried to separate the family business. Nobody cared.
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Speaker 5: I got no credit for it, So this time I
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Speaker 5: don't care. We found out nobody cared. So we're just
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Speaker 5: doing what we want, basically, is how he put it.
17:36
Speaker 5: And it's true. I mean they are literally the president's
17:40
Speaker 5: son in law is landing deals raising money from Saudi
17:45
Speaker 5: Arabia while he is in the Middle East negotiating a
17:49
Speaker 5: war that we're involved in with Saudi Arabia's primary regional enemy.
17:54
Speaker 5: I mean, the thought of that a year or two ago,
17:58
Speaker 5: or happening under the buid administration, was really unfathomable. But
18:01
Speaker 5: we've just become so used to it now, and it's
18:04
Speaker 5: so almost expected. I don't know if it's, you know,
18:08
Speaker 5: just the low expectations or it's the fact that it's
18:10
Speaker 5: happening so much that we've kind of numbed ourselves to it.
18:13
Speaker 5: But when you look at it all together, as I did,
18:15
Speaker 5: and you try and take it all in at the
18:17
Speaker 5: same time, it's just it's gobsmacking. I mean, I reading
18:21
Speaker 5: my own writing, I have a hard time wrapping my
18:23
Speaker 5: head around it.
18:24
Speaker 3: Isaac, You uh, there are there's almost literally too many
18:28
Speaker 3: for us to mention. So why don't you pick a
18:30
Speaker 3: few of the examples. And again, everyone needs to go
18:33
Speaker 3: and read this, like, just go read it. We'll have
18:35
Speaker 3: a link down in our description. But for those who
18:37
Speaker 3: are just listening, can you pick a few examples which
18:40
Speaker 3: you think are the most egregious over the last year.
18:43
Speaker 4: Yeah.
18:43
Speaker 5: Look, I mean the one to me that is probably
18:46
Speaker 5: the most offensive is just the whole of the cryptocurrency stuff,
18:50
Speaker 5: which is, you know, Trump launched a literal meme coin
18:54
Speaker 5: that had zero value with his name as the name
18:57
Speaker 5: of the coin, and basically rug pulled the bunch of
19:00
Speaker 5: investors leading up to his inauguration and then the days
19:03
Speaker 5: after his election, and now he's soliciting dinners at the
19:08
Speaker 5: White House, at mar A Lago, at his properties across
19:11
Speaker 5: the country to people who buy the most amount of
19:14
Speaker 5: coin of his Trump meme coin, which again has no
19:17
Speaker 5: inherent value. It's just basically this social hype cryptocurrency, and
19:23
Speaker 5: he's just out there advertising it and flauning it. And
19:26
Speaker 5: the people who are paying money to get to those
19:28
Speaker 5: dinners are not just random American fans of his, They
19:32
Speaker 5: are sometimes foreign dignitaries. There are people with associations with governments,
19:37
Speaker 5: who's you know who we're making foreign policy around. There
19:39
Speaker 5: are people in industries that Trump is responsible for regulating.
19:42
Speaker 5: I mean, the overtness of it is so insane. It's
19:47
Speaker 5: really is genuinely hard to fathom. And I don't mean
19:50
Speaker 5: to be hyperbolic. I am somebody like I said, I'm not.
19:52
Speaker 5: I don't have Trump derangement syndrome. I spent the four
19:55
Speaker 5: years of the Biden administration chasing the Hunter Biden story,
19:58
Speaker 5: which I thought there was a lot of smoke around
20:00
Speaker 5: and some very weird stuff happening there that was worth investigating.
20:03
Speaker 5: But what we're seeing now is just a waterfall, unlike
20:06
Speaker 5: anything I can really comprehend. And then I'd say, second
20:09
Speaker 5: to the cryptocurrency is the pardons. I mean, we now
20:13
Speaker 5: have what I called in this piece a pardon industry.
20:17
Speaker 5: There are people around Trump who are taking money to
20:21
Speaker 5: literally go to him and say, hey, we got a
20:22
Speaker 5: part in this guy who paid me a million dollar
20:25
Speaker 5: fee and donated to your campaign and wants to get
20:27
Speaker 5: out of prison for medicare fraud or for defrauding donors
20:31
Speaker 5: when he was a member of Congress. And Trump's just
20:33
Speaker 5: doing it I mean, these are some of the slimiest
20:36
Speaker 5: line of the DC swamp that he promised to drain
20:40
Speaker 5: when he first came up the escalator, you know, and
20:43
Speaker 5: now he's letting all these people off with a free
20:45
Speaker 5: pass for some of the really grossest, you know, kind
20:49
Speaker 5: of fraud and low denominator DC schemes that you can imagine,
20:57
Speaker 5: and it's hard to accept.
20:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to I want to pause on
21:01
Speaker 2: the crypto part as well, because not only by the
21:04
Speaker 2: dollar amount, is that the most significant, you know, the
21:07
Speaker 2: bulk of Trump's wealth at this point comes from crypto investments.
21:11
Speaker 2: It's this incredible scheme to funnel him money to facilitate
21:16
Speaker 2: some of the pardon industry comes directly through investments in
21:21
Speaker 2: Trump's or assistance for Trump's various crypto ventures. It also
21:25
Speaker 2: is direct exploitation of his own supporters, who are the
21:29
Speaker 2: ones that, through buying both Trump Shitcoin and Milania's Shitcoin,
21:33
Speaker 2: had the rub pull and you know, ultimately lost money
21:37
Speaker 2: in service of further enriching the very guy that they
21:40
Speaker 2: so support and believe so in, believe in. So I
21:44
Speaker 2: feel like the crypto piece is what has really enabled
21:47
Speaker 2: the truly world historic amounts of corruption and graft that
21:52
Speaker 2: Trump personally himself has been able to participate in.
21:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say on top of just the sad
22:00
Speaker 5: and frustration that I feel for his supporters who sort
22:02
Speaker 5: of followed him out onto this branch before they cut
22:05
Speaker 5: it off. And Milania Trump participated in this too, as
22:08
Speaker 5: you said, with her own shit going that she rolled out.
22:11
Speaker 5: We also have I mean literally some of the wealthiest
22:15
Speaker 5: people and most politically influential people in the Middle East,
22:19
Speaker 5: like from the UAE, who own nearly half of World
22:23
Speaker 5: Liberty Financial, which is this crypto firm that the Trump
22:27
Speaker 5: family stood up. I mean they're investing hundreds of millions
22:31
Speaker 5: of dollars into this firm. And I want to reiterate,
22:34
Speaker 5: when Biden was president, we spent four years talking about
22:37
Speaker 5: his son getting a fifty thousand dollars a month salary
22:41
Speaker 5: for a Ukrainian at a Ukrainian energy firm. And now
22:45
Speaker 5: we have the most influential people in the Middle East
22:49
Speaker 5: closely tied to a conflict that we're deeply involved in,
22:52
Speaker 5: who own hundreds of millions of dollars of a crypto
22:55
Speaker 5: firm that the.
22:56
Speaker 4: Trump family is running.
22:57
Speaker 5: I mean, the dynamics there are genuinely horrifying in terms
23:02
Speaker 5: of what it means for the decision making process that
23:05
Speaker 5: we as a country are making as we set off
23:08
Speaker 5: into this war in the Middle East with Iran and
23:11
Speaker 5: the UEE. Again, like Saudi Arabia is a country that
23:14
Speaker 5: wants us to stay in this war, which right now
23:17
Speaker 5: we're doing. And it's just it's too easy to do.
23:20
Speaker 5: The one plus one equals to here. But it's so obvious.
23:24
Speaker 5: I don't know what else to think.
23:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked there, not just about I mean, give
23:28
Speaker 3: us some of the other examples you cite, like Trump Mobile,
23:31
Speaker 3: a branded phone. I didn't even know you had so
23:34
Speaker 3: many things in here. I'm like, I didn't even know
23:36
Speaker 3: about this. I didn't know that there was a Trump Phone.
23:39
Speaker 5: It took so long to compile this picture. But yeah,
23:43
Speaker 5: Trump Mobile is a four hundred dollars branded phone forty
23:47
Speaker 5: seven forty five a month for the forty seven plan.
23:50
Speaker 5: The Trump organization doesn't even manufacture this phone. They're basically
23:54
Speaker 5: just licensing his name and selling it. There's a club
23:58
Speaker 5: in Washington.
24:00
Speaker 1: What does the phone do?
24:01
Speaker 5: I actually believe it's an Android phone. The phone he's
24:04
Speaker 5: yet to be released. The network is going to be
24:06
Speaker 5: operated by Liberty Mobile Wireless by the way, So there's
24:10
Speaker 5: sort of this circular thing here where they're looping it
24:11
Speaker 5: back into their other firms and companies.
24:14
Speaker 4: He's just licensing his.
24:16
Speaker 5: Name and then promoting the presidential brand, you know, while
24:19
Speaker 5: he's while he's in office, and then taking a profit
24:22
Speaker 5: from all the people who sign up for it.
24:24
Speaker 4: And this is a theme too.
24:25
Speaker 5: I mean, the Trump family opened the executive exclusive club
24:29
Speaker 5: called the Executive Branch in Washington five hundred thousand dollars
24:33
Speaker 5: for a membership to it. The pair company Trump's social
24:36
Speaker 5: media platform, of Trump's social is DJAT. That's their ticker
24:40
Speaker 5: in their public stock. Trump holds a huge stake in
24:43
Speaker 5: that company, and weirdly, the stock seems to fluctuate with
24:46
Speaker 5: the Trump's popularity, of President Trump's popularity. Air Trump, as
24:51
Speaker 5: you mentioned, went on Fox News graciously accepted a congratulations
24:55
Speaker 5: for this twenty four million dollars Pentagon contract, a company
24:58
Speaker 5: He's helping run gott While I was doing this story,
25:02
Speaker 5: the Financial Times reported that the Trump sons had taken
25:04
Speaker 5: a stake in this Kazakh mining company, and then literally
25:08
Speaker 5: hours later, a Bloomberg story came out about the US
25:12
Speaker 5: Air Force agreeing to buy an undisclosed number of interceptor
25:15
Speaker 5: drones from a company that the Trump sons are also backing.
25:20
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just on and on.
25:22
Speaker 5: Don Junior is investing in and advising Hollymarket and CALSHW
25:26
Speaker 5: gambling companies, where by the way, we've seen these very
25:30
Speaker 5: peculiar trades happening, huge huge whales coming in and betting
25:34
Speaker 5: on things like you know, tariffs being called off or
25:37
Speaker 5: a ceasefire in Iran, with the kind of timing that
25:40
Speaker 5: to me only implies insider information.
25:43
Speaker 4: I mean, the deeper you go, the more there are.
25:45
Speaker 5: And the crazy thing for me was as this piece
25:47
Speaker 5: was coming out, as I was literally drafting the piece,
25:50
Speaker 5: more stories were breaking. So I'm like adding the add
25:53
Speaker 5: paragraph and paragraph right up to publication time. I mean,
25:57
Speaker 5: it seems like every other day there's another story like this.
26:00
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:00
Speaker 2: Well, and you are going to have to continue to
26:02
Speaker 2: update this as long as he's in the White House,
26:05
Speaker 2: because yeah, it is every day that a new revelation
26:09
Speaker 2: comes out or new questions too, because some of it
26:11
Speaker 2: is hard to pin down, like the insider trading thing.
26:13
Speaker 2: There's a lot of smoke there, but you can't pinpoint
26:15
Speaker 2: exactly who or exactly how much, et cetera. But it
26:19
Speaker 2: certainly seems like it's a systematic aspect of this administration.
26:23
Speaker 2: Talk to us a little bit about the role that
26:25
Speaker 2: the Trump properties serve. I was kind of shocked by
26:29
Speaker 2: this statistic to you have here, you say, eight foreign
26:31
Speaker 2: governments have hosted or sponsored events at Trump properties in
26:35
Speaker 2: just the first year of his second term. You can
26:38
Speaker 2: also fold into that, you know, the deal making that
26:41
Speaker 2: Jared Kushner is doing throughout the Middle East and around
26:44
Speaker 2: the world as well. So how significant have these Trump
26:47
Speaker 2: branded properties been to this operation?
26:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, they didn't pretty significant, And this is something that
26:53
Speaker 5: I think is really understated because Trump has done a
26:57
Speaker 5: really good job of branding you know, Maria Lago as
27:00
Speaker 5: the Winter white House, and we've all sort of become
27:03
Speaker 5: accustomed to the fact that he might meet with some
27:06
Speaker 5: foreign leader or have some high level meetings at his
27:09
Speaker 5: properties outside the White House, which you know, this is
27:13
Speaker 5: almost a place where I'm I could be a little
27:15
Speaker 5: more sympathetic to the president. He comes in as this businessman.
27:18
Speaker 5: He owns these properties. Of course he might use them.
27:21
Speaker 5: They're functional for these kinds of high level glitzy meetings.
27:26
Speaker 4: But then you dig.
27:27
Speaker 5: Into it and you realize that these properties just all
27:30
Speaker 5: over the world, and as Trump's political fame has risen,
27:35
Speaker 5: they've used in that they've used that fame to raise
27:39
Speaker 5: all this money for people who are donating to his campaigns,
27:42
Speaker 5: and then they're sometimes gifting out big events at these
27:45
Speaker 5: major properties. Sometimes they're allowing people to pay to come
27:49
Speaker 5: in and host big events at these properties, not just
27:51
Speaker 5: in the United States, but again all over the world.
27:53
Speaker 5: These are often foreign leaders who are organizing events or meetings,
27:57
Speaker 5: high level events or meetings. Then give it the Trump
28:00
Speaker 5: family cash under the table, which is sort of like
28:03
Speaker 5: this open. Hey, we just gave you a few million dollars,
28:07
Speaker 5: and now I'm going to come meet with you at
28:09
Speaker 5: maybe your golf course in Ireland or at this site
28:12
Speaker 5: of a luxury hotel that's not even finished yet but
28:14
Speaker 5: you're building in a place like Cutter. And then while
28:17
Speaker 5: we're there, we're going to discuss how the US regulates
28:21
Speaker 5: arms deals to Cutter that is problematic, Like there is
28:25
Speaker 5: an issue there that everybody should really care about. I
28:28
Speaker 5: think one of the big ones that we're going to
28:30
Speaker 5: see appen now is that Trump just selected National Adoral
28:33
Speaker 5: Miami Hotel to host the December G twenty summit this year,
28:37
Speaker 5: So twenty of the biggest countries and leaders are going
28:40
Speaker 5: to be coming to his property. There's going to be
28:43
Speaker 5: a huge amount of money dumped into reserving that property
28:46
Speaker 5: and paying the Trump family, the Trump organization to come
28:49
Speaker 5: use it. And then when everybody's there, Trump's going to
28:52
Speaker 5: be on his home turf kind of, you know, negotiating
28:54
Speaker 5: and navigating all these relationships he has. That alone, Like
28:58
Speaker 5: that story by I should just say, would be a massive,
29:03
Speaker 5: months long scandal in any other administration, And it is
29:07
Speaker 5: two sentences of a six thousand word piece that I
29:11
Speaker 5: wrote about this Like that alone would do you know,
29:15
Speaker 5: newspaper headlines in a different era for months on ends.
29:18
Speaker 5: But in this administration, it's like most Americans don't even
29:20
Speaker 5: seem to know about it.
29:21
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
29:22
Speaker 3: Well, you did such a great job, Isaac. Again, we're
29:24
Speaker 3: going to have a link down in the description. Go subscribe,
29:26
Speaker 3: go read support them over there. We appreciate you, man, thank.
29:30
Speaker 4: You, thanks for having me on, guys. I very much
29:32
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
29:33
Speaker 1: Very welcome.
29:36
Speaker 2: So Marjorie Taylor Green, maybe out of Congress but she's
29:39
Speaker 2: not going quietly into the nine. She recently gave a
29:42
Speaker 2: speech that got a lot of attention down in Texas
29:44
Speaker 2: at the Ron Paul Institute, talking about her fallout with Trump,
29:47
Speaker 2: spilling some of the details about the text messages that
29:50
Speaker 2: he sent her, and sanang that Maga is quote dead.
29:54
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to bit of what she had
29:55
Speaker 2: to say.
29:56
Speaker 6: It was the most shocking thing when I sat in
29:59
Speaker 6: a conference and I learned that the President didn't want
30:04
Speaker 6: to release the epstcene files. I was like, what, Yeah.
30:09
Speaker 6: Come to find out he was very much against it.
30:13
Speaker 6: So we kept on trying and kept on talking about it.
30:16
Speaker 6: And then the President told Mike Johnson, No, do not
30:19
Speaker 6: bring that resolution to the floor for a vote. He
30:21
Speaker 6: told the Rules Committee. And Johnson told the Rules Committee, no,
30:25
Speaker 6: you will not mark up any bill and the Rules
30:27
Speaker 6: Committee that will allow the epstcen files to be released.
30:31
Speaker 6: And the resistance built and built and built. He told
30:34
Speaker 6: Pam BONDI don't release the epscene files. He told everybody,
30:38
Speaker 6: don't release the epscene files. Well, I'll never forget it.
30:41
Speaker 6: I was in my office in the ray Burn Building
30:45
Speaker 6: and I got a phone call from the President, and
30:48
Speaker 6: he was at the White House and he wanted to
30:50
Speaker 6: talk to me about the discharge petition that I'd signed
30:53
Speaker 6: my name on, and he said, Marjorie, you're going to
30:57
Speaker 6: have to take your name off that discharge petition. The
31:00
Speaker 6: these we can't let this is a hoax. We can't
31:03
Speaker 6: carry this. This is a hoax. It's a Democrat hoax.
31:06
Speaker 6: And we've got to just put this away and stop
31:09
Speaker 6: doing this. And he said, my friends are going to
31:11
Speaker 6: get hurt. He said his friends would get hurt if
31:16
Speaker 6: we release the Epstein files. And I've saved these text messages.
31:20
Speaker 6: I'd probably get put in jail if I released them publicly,
31:23
Speaker 6: but I saved them where Donald Trump proceeded to tell
31:27
Speaker 6: me that it was my fault and that I deserve it.
31:32
Speaker 6: If my son gets killed, I deserve it because I
31:37
Speaker 6: was a traitor to him. That is our president of
31:41
Speaker 6: the United States.
31:43
Speaker 2: Who pretty remarkable stuff there. Number one, her saying that
31:47
Speaker 2: he told her overtly, my friends will be hurt if
31:51
Speaker 2: the Epstein files are released. Yeah, and you'll be hurt too, buddy,
31:54
Speaker 2: by the way, And then these text messages where she
31:57
Speaker 2: went through you know this one was relative Ladys Susie
32:00
Speaker 2: Wilds didn't even get back to me. Trump said you
32:03
Speaker 2: will deserve it. You will deserve it.
32:05
Speaker 3: And she's told those stories now multiple times. They haven't
32:08
Speaker 3: been denied yet or at least or maybe they have
32:10
Speaker 3: been by the White House. I'd have to check, but yeah,
32:12
Speaker 3: just to make clear that, you know, that's been out
32:14
Speaker 3: there for some time.
32:15
Speaker 1: But I said, you.
32:15
Speaker 2: Call on her to release the text message, she should.
32:18
Speaker 1: Release the text messages. I agree. I just wonder with
32:21
Speaker 1: her how much.
32:24
Speaker 3: I think the big test is the electable conversation around this,
32:28
Speaker 3: because look, we're all online. We know the MTG conversation.
32:32
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the Trump endorsed
32:34
Speaker 3: guy to replace her, you know, she resigned the Trump
32:37
Speaker 3: and doors guy to replace her.
32:39
Speaker 1: He won, And this is the big test.
32:41
Speaker 3: Actually is coming soon with the Thomas Massey primary, which
32:43
Speaker 3: we really have no idea which way it's going to go.
32:46
Speaker 3: The polling remains small. Massy has a huge war chest.
32:48
Speaker 3: Obviously I'm pulling for him. But I think the bigger
32:51
Speaker 3: meta question, especially with Tucker, with MTG and everything, is like,
32:55
Speaker 3: what's the actual appetite for this? Because remember Harry Enton
32:58
Speaker 3: did some of the CNN polling on Tucker how he
33:01
Speaker 3: has all these net favorable have plunged with a lot
33:04
Speaker 3: of hardcore Republicans, but at the same time he's more
33:08
Speaker 3: popular than ever. The question is like, what's the lane
33:11
Speaker 3: for that? And I just don't know, Like I really
33:14
Speaker 3: am curious. I do think it's millions of people. The
33:17
Speaker 3: Internet is huge, but how does it channel into political energy?
33:21
Speaker 1: Like I'll give you a good example.
33:22
Speaker 3: Sean Ryan just had jenk Uger on his podcast and
33:25
Speaker 3: I saw the clip where I was like, oh no,
33:28
Speaker 3: And Sean was like, do we need a new political party?
33:30
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh no, oh no. Anytime I've
33:34
Speaker 1: seen it too many times. I get it. I get it.
33:36
Speaker 1: While everybody wants to go down the road how.
33:38
Speaker 3: Many we've lived through how many Jill Stein and third
33:42
Speaker 3: party and meander people?
33:44
Speaker 1: Yes, guys, like the evidence is clear.
33:47
Speaker 2: It is what it is, It what you can right,
33:51
Speaker 2: So that's I mean, that's the reality, right.
33:53
Speaker 3: But when I start to see stuff like that, you
33:55
Speaker 3: see a lot of angst. But then you're like, okay,
33:57
Speaker 3: but how do we channel this angst into something useful? Right,
34:00
Speaker 3: or into something politically impactful? And I mean, obviously you
34:04
Speaker 3: know this is My job is the angst. I don't
34:06
Speaker 3: know that's the channeling, but I mean, I'm an analyzer
34:09
Speaker 3: of the of the of the of the useful, and
34:11
Speaker 3: I I haven't seen it yet.
34:13
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say is, I feel like there's sort
34:15
Speaker 2: of a mirror process of what was going on leading
34:18
Speaker 2: up to the twenty twenty four election on the right,
34:20
Speaker 2: where you would have these individual people who would kind
34:22
Speaker 2: of drift to the right, and any one of them
34:25
Speaker 2: you could kind of write off, you know, like Naomi
34:28
Speaker 2: Wolf going on Steve Bannon's show all the time. Naomi
34:31
Speaker 2: Klein wrote a whole book about like the mirror world
34:34
Speaker 2: and her getting confused with Naomi Wolf. But she went
34:36
Speaker 2: from being this feminist to being this like hardcore right
34:38
Speaker 2: winger and anti COVID vaccine activists and all this stuff.
34:42
Speaker 1: And she's going on War Room.
34:43
Speaker 2: You see, you know, RFK Juniors, this long time lefty environmentalists,
34:48
Speaker 2: et cetera, and he's now shifting over to the right.
34:51
Speaker 2: And you see, you know, you see these various influencers
34:55
Speaker 2: and sort of you know, high level people who are
34:57
Speaker 2: gradually kind of indulging in some of the right wing
35:00
Speaker 2: language and showing up on these podcasts becoming more and
35:04
Speaker 2: more amenable. The next thing, you know, you have MAHA
35:07
Speaker 2: as a whole thing and getting subsumed into the Trump
35:10
Speaker 2: Trump Coalition. And so at first I didn't take it
35:14
Speaker 2: that seriously because any one of these people again you
35:16
Speaker 2: can kind of like dismiss as a one offer, crank
35:19
Speaker 2: or whatever. But when it all came together, it added
35:23
Speaker 2: up to something real. It all set up, yeah, and
35:25
Speaker 2: it also added up to a public perception of this side,
35:29
Speaker 2: the Democratic side is losing even some of their stalwart,
35:32
Speaker 2: longtime defenders to the writer, to the Trump coalition, and
35:38
Speaker 2: so it created this sense of like where the vibe
35:41
Speaker 2: in the country was going, and it was enough that
35:43
Speaker 2: then Trump ends up getting elected. So I kind of
35:47
Speaker 2: feel like there's that reverse thing happening right now where
35:49
Speaker 2: you've got the Marjorie Taylor Greens who she's not becoming
35:52
Speaker 2: a Democrat, but she is. She spends pretty much all
35:56
Speaker 2: of her time trashing Trump, trashing MAGA, like being very
36:00
Speaker 2: aggressively critical of the side she used to be part of.
36:04
Speaker 2: You see, you know Tucker who again not a Democrat,
36:07
Speaker 2: but being very critical of Trump. You can see you know,
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Speaker 2: the Tim Dillons, the podcast brows like any one of these,
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Speaker 2: Sean Ryan, any one of these you could kind of dismiss.
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Speaker 2: But when you add them all together, it does create
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Speaker 2: this overwhelming sense of a backlash.
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Speaker 1: And then of course you.
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Speaker 2: Add to that just the reality of like how bad
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Speaker 2: situation was with a run, gas pumps, disappointments on Epstein files,
36:26
Speaker 2: et cetera, and it does create something real. So if
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Speaker 2: it was just emptg especially now that she's not in Congress,
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Speaker 2: it's like whatever. But especially because and this is again
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Speaker 2: goes to the Naomi Wolf comparison, Bannon loved to build
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Speaker 2: her up.
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Speaker 1: Is like this.
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Speaker 2: She was an advisor al Gore, she was a feminist.
36:42
Speaker 2: I can't believe she's here agreeing with me. Now there's
36:45
Speaker 2: kind of a similar dynamic with Marjorie where she.
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Speaker 1: Talked about in this speech, She's like, I was the
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Speaker 1: biggest Trump cheerly. I was Trump's soldier.
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Speaker 2: I spent millions of my own dollars going out and
36:54
Speaker 2: getting him elected. And now if I can see this
36:56
Speaker 2: and I can say this, just imagine how bad things
36:59
Speaker 2: have gotten.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I think that's actually very insightful.
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Speaker 3: But see, this is where a real political leader is necessary,
37:05
Speaker 3: and when you were talking of yeah, there's only one
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Speaker 3: Democrat who could do that.
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Speaker 1: Rocana. Literally, that's it.
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Speaker 3: He's the only person who has the at least has
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Speaker 3: the fore knowledge, has the leadership on the Epstein issue,
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Speaker 3: has the ability to go and to talk to any
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Speaker 3: of these spaces. Doesn't code as like a you know,
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Speaker 3: horrific shit lib or you know, like he doesn't code
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Speaker 3: to me as a culture warrior, although I'm sure it's
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Speaker 3: like polar opposite, right, but willing to go into various
37:30
Speaker 3: different spaces somebody like Gavin I just I could not
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Speaker 3: see that you need the thing.
37:35
Speaker 1: What was Trump's ultimate superpower?
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Speaker 3: Trump literally convinced people that, like millions of people, that
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Speaker 3: he was going to pay for their IVF, which you
37:42
Speaker 3: and I both know if you believe that, you're a
37:45
Speaker 3: fucking idiot, like, let's be honest, right, But millions of
37:48
Speaker 3: people were like, oh yeah, but he's gonna pay for
37:51
Speaker 3: my IVY. So he took that guy, some guy who
37:54
Speaker 3: talks about glyphissate a lot, you know, like the glycas
37:57
Speaker 3: Sate guy, and then a Romney country club Republican and
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Speaker 3: got all three took.
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Speaker 1: That's how you win. That's a coalition ultimately, So your
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Speaker 1: point is very correct, But.
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Speaker 2: You're right, the right opening is there. It's who can
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Speaker 2: pull that together. And you know, I do think that
38:16
Speaker 2: especially as the economic situation gets more dire, which sadly
38:20
Speaker 2: I think it's going to. I mean, even if they're
38:22
Speaker 2: on worse stop today and the blockade ended, we're going
38:24
Speaker 2: to have months of dealing with the fallout and things
38:26
Speaker 2: are going to get worse before they can get better.
38:28
Speaker 2: And that's just the sad horror of buying reality that
38:31
Speaker 2: we're dealing with at this point. There is such a
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Speaker 2: wide open lane for someone to come in and really
38:37
Speaker 2: care about that, like in a meaningful way care about that.
38:40
Speaker 1: And there's also a wide.
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Speaker 2: Open lane for someone with a clear message on AI,
38:45
Speaker 2: which is becoming a deeply disturbing and important issue to people,
38:49
Speaker 2: and I think is only going to rise in importance
38:52
Speaker 2: as that the impacts continue to be felt both locally
38:54
Speaker 2: and the community in terms of the societal fallout.
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Speaker 1: It's all there for the taking.
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Speaker 2: But you're right, he the real leader, someone who is
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Speaker 2: a leader who has courage, who says things that make sense,
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Speaker 2: who you know, is broadly appealing to a white swat
39:07
Speaker 2: of people. Doesn't just code as being of this faction
39:11
Speaker 2: or of that saction, And so you know that is
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Speaker 2: going to be the question mark of whether there's anyone
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Speaker 2: that actually pulls that off.
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Speaker 3: I wish I had confidence it would go that direction,
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Speaker 3: but I don't see it.
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Speaker 1: I hope so like I really.
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Speaker 3: Do, for the good of the nation, because ultimately political entrepreneurship,
39:25
Speaker 3: which is ultimately what a lot of people thought Trump
39:27
Speaker 3: was doing in twenty twenty four, is melding you know,
39:30
Speaker 3: Bert make it, destroying like old barriers, bringing people into
39:34
Speaker 3: a coalition, setting a new political and majority time paradigm.
39:38
Speaker 3: Because ultimately that's what it's all about. But it's a
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Speaker 3: tough order. The reason why it doesn't happen is because
39:44
Speaker 3: it's hard and it takes like genuine skill, and then
39:47
Speaker 3: you see somebody who could have done it and then
39:48
Speaker 3: squander it within what six months and then put the
39:52
Speaker 3: nail in the coffin with the war.
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Speaker 1: She was shocking. It really was to see. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 3: Maybe still nobody else could do it. Thank you guys
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Speaker 3: so much for watching. We appreciate they. Ryan and Emily
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Speaker 3: will be on tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: We'll see you then.
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Speaker 6: Kahm