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FREE Wendy Williams! Judge's "Threats" After Star's Boozy Lunch · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Free Wendy Williams. This after
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Speaker 1: a judge's threats on Wendy.
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Speaker 2: Who is she thinks she is threatening.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams after Wendy's boozy lunch out.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: Wendy Williams celebrates a victory in her controversial guardianship battle
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Speaker 3: as a judge reportedly allows the ex talk show host
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Speaker 3: queen to move from a senior living.
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Speaker 2: Facility living facility, my roar in. It was more like a.
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Speaker 1: Prison, Wendy had stated over and over. She's surrounded by seventy,
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Speaker 1: eighty and ninety year olds. No offense. But that is
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Speaker 1: not Wendy Williams' style. And I don't like the way
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Speaker 1: this judge is talking down to Wendy Williams. Uh uh
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Speaker 1: n oh, you know, a little power is a dangerous thing,
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Speaker 1: judge A listen to this.
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Speaker 4: Photographers frequently crowd below Wendy Williams window at Koderie Hudson Yards,
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Speaker 4: where the sixty year old resides in the memory care unit.
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Speaker 4: One such photographer watches as Williams throws this scrap of
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Speaker 4: paper from her window, scribbled on the note help Wendy,
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Speaker 4: the paparazzi calls for a welfare check, and hours later
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Speaker 4: NYPD officers escort Williams out of the facility into a
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Speaker 4: waiting ambulance.
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Speaker 5: Where I lived at this memory unit on this floor.
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Speaker 5: You know, I just needed a breath of fresh air,
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Speaker 5: you know. And I'm saying I needed to see the doctors.
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Speaker 5: So that's why I went to the hospital.
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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at ABC. I am on Wendy's
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Speaker 1: side here. Why is it if she's got a guardian
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Speaker 1: watching out for her, that she has to send up
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Speaker 1: a note, throw it out her window and the paparazzi
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Speaker 1: get it and they let her out with police escort.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound right to me? Does it sound right.
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Speaker 1: To you that she has to throw a help me
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Speaker 1: note out a window?
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Speaker 2: Where's a conservator?
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Speaker 1: Why has Wendy been in lockdown for all this time?
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Speaker 2: Listen?
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Speaker 4: Wendy Williams says she feels like she's in prison as
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Speaker 4: she continues her fight to and her court appointing guardianship
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Speaker 4: as if almost on cue. Williams may have proved her
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Speaker 4: point when the assisted living facility where she resides on
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Speaker 4: the fifth floor, Coterie calls police, claiming the sixty year
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Speaker 4: old TV host has been kidnapped by her niece, Alex Finny.
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Speaker 4: The report Coterie filed with the NYPD claims Finny evaded
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Speaker 4: staff by taking her aunt Wendy out of the building
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Speaker 4: to eat an Italian restaurant.
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Speaker 1: Uh uh huh an oh, joining me in an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: First to Jessica Fann joining me, senior investigative reporter at
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Speaker 1: the US Sun, who was at the courthouse as Wendy
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Speaker 1: is battling for her freedom and got some incredible exclusive shots.
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Speaker 1: Let me see those shots that Jessica Finn got. There's
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Speaker 1: we no Wendy is walking, she's talking, she's smiling, She's
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Speaker 1: flanked by friends, relatives. These are pictures from our friend
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Speaker 1: joining us right now, Jessica Finn at the US Sun,
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Speaker 1: just taken as Wendy battles for her freedom. Jessica, I
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Speaker 1: don't like this one bit that the niece of Wendy
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Speaker 1: goes and takes her out to a simple lunch and
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Speaker 1: then the assisted care facility i e. Lockdown actually calls
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Speaker 1: the police with a kidnapped claim on the niece.
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Speaker 2: Are you serious?
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Speaker 6: It was a wild scene for sure. So basically what
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Speaker 6: had happened is that Wendy was just released from the
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Speaker 6: hospital after being evaluated. Her niece Alex Binney, comes to
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Speaker 6: pick her up to take her back to the living facility,
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Speaker 6: but on their way back, they go to dinner and
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Speaker 6: apparently the living facility decided that it wasn't approved. There
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Speaker 6: was a conflicting reports. Alex says that they knew that
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Speaker 6: they were going out to dinner, the living facility allegedly
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Speaker 6: said that this outing was not approved and at some
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Speaker 6: point threatened to call the NYPD to file a kidnapping report.
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Speaker 1: Joining me Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho Alice, joining us
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Speaker 1: from the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can
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Speaker 1: see her now on Peacock and you can find her
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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, it's
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Speaker 1: my understanding that you agree with the judge who seemingly
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Speaker 1: continues to threaten when williams like she's a petulant child.
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Speaker 7: Nancy. People in cognitive decline notoriously do not realize what's
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Speaker 7: happening to them, So let's hold that in the back
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Speaker 7: of our minds. Sokoloff is basing her decision on criteria,
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Speaker 7: not personal opinion. Wendy Williams probably had cognitive testing, neural
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Speaker 7: psych testing, and the testing showed that she was a
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Speaker 7: danger to self or others and that she had lacked ADLs,
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Speaker 7: meaning activities of daily living. The judge is looking at
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Speaker 7: that criteria.
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Speaker 1: Okay, question to you, yes, did you perform a test
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Speaker 1: on Wendy Williams? Did you, Bethany Marshall, perform a cognitive
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Speaker 1: test on Wendy Williams?
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Speaker 7: I did not, But usually a baseline test given initially
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Speaker 7: so that we get a baseline on the patients.
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Speaker 2: So you're just speculating, are you not?
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Speaker 1: I am speculating, yes, Okay, So the fact that she
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Speaker 1: has recently passed a cognitive test does that mean anything
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Speaker 1: to you? Are you just sucking up to a judge
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Speaker 1: that is talking down to Wendy Williams like she's a
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Speaker 1: five year old that grabbed a handful of jellybeans?
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Speaker 7: Hey, Nancy is the family who said says she's what?
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Speaker 7: The family, not the not the physician who administered the tests,
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Speaker 7: us the media.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of hippa?
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Speaker 1: You think the judges you think that the daughter's going
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Speaker 1: to go out on the steps of Mount Sinai, which
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Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with, had all my prenatal tests there,
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Speaker 1: was going to have the children there until I suddenly
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Speaker 1: gave birth in Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: Mount Sinai. That's where she took the test.
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Speaker 1: And what do you expect her doctor to go out
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Speaker 1: and say, hey, she passed. Everybody, let me go out
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Speaker 1: to special guests joining us Elizabeth mcinturf, attorney specializing in
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Speaker 1: guardianship issues, a partner at Selzer Gervich.
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about this type of care
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Speaker 1: facility where all the elevators are locked and you have
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Speaker 1: to have a chaperone to take you down the elevator,
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Speaker 1: and you go to lunch with your niece and suddenly
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Speaker 1: they accuse the niece of kidnapping reportedly and call police.
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Speaker 2: What about it, Elizabeth?
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Speaker 8: It sounds like very typical precautions that happen in a
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Speaker 8: memory care unit where a person who has cognitive decline
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Speaker 8: or cognitative abilities need to have a more structured environment
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Speaker 8: with more security measures, including, you know, preventing somebody from
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Speaker 8: eloping or wandering out.
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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Elizabeth, and this is your specialty. However,
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Speaker 1: when if it were being told.
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Speaker 2: Is true, and I have no reason to think it's
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Speaker 2: not true.
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Speaker 1: If they have to unlock the elevator and chaperone her
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Speaker 1: down the elevator to her niece, that is inconsistent within
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Speaker 1: calling police and threatening to file a kidnap allegation. That's
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Speaker 1: a criminal complaint against the niece. They had to let
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Speaker 1: her down to go meet the niece. So why are
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Speaker 1: they doing this just because Wendy Williams wants.
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Speaker 2: To have lunch. Let's learn a little bit more.
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Speaker 4: Feels like you're screaming for help.
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Speaker 5: Are you allowed to go out now? In the last
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Speaker 5: thirty days, I went out twice.
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Speaker 4: This sounds more like a prison than independence.
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Speaker 5: I want my right back, I want my freedom back.
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Speaker 4: TMZ presents Saving Wendy now streaming on twob.
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Speaker 2: That was our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ.
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Speaker 1: They've got a new documentary on TMZ Saving Wendy. You know,
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Speaker 1: when I listened to her speaking very coherently, I agree
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Speaker 1: with Harvey. I think this is wrong and she is
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Speaker 1: having to launch a major legal battle.
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Speaker 2: What to go have lunch?
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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake and submitting herself not only to testing
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Speaker 1: at Mount Sinai, which according to her and others, she passed.
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Speaker 1: So why is she still going to be moved to
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Speaker 1: a restrictive condo? I mean, did you hear where she's
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Speaker 1: been at the care facility? No personal belongings or electronics.
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Speaker 1: She cannot receive calls, cannot leave her room without a
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Speaker 1: staff member unlocking the door.
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Speaker 2: Visitors have to be pre approved.
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Speaker 1: In other words, they want to give the appearance they
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Speaker 1: want you to see before you get in to see.
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Speaker 2: Your loved one.
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Speaker 1: And to top it all off, I don't like the
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Speaker 1: way this judge is talking down to Wendy Williams and
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Speaker 1: basically threatening her, saying things like and I quote, I've
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Speaker 1: always contended that William's begiven the independence she can handle.
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Speaker 1: I really, Judge, it's when were you a shrink? I
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Speaker 1: question how well she has handled the independence he has
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Speaker 1: been given. Really, what did Wendy do wrong? Haven't played apasta?
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Speaker 1: You don't like that, judge, And she goes on to
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Speaker 1: threaten Wendy, stating to the lawyer, tell your client, if
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Speaker 1: she wants a jury, she should refrain from trying to
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Speaker 1: poison the jury Pool retrow. Sounds like somebody's impinging on
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Speaker 1: Wendy williams freedom of speech. Oh there's that pesky little
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Speaker 1: bill of rights judge.
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Speaker 2: Who does this judge think she's talking to? Listen?
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Speaker 9: After a successful trial run of The Wendy Williams Show,
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Speaker 9: the talk show is broadcast internationally and Garner's two point
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Speaker 9: four million daily viewers, Williams trades off with Ellen DeGeneres
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Speaker 9: as the number one female daytime television host for years.
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Speaker 9: The daily show runs for twelve years straight, while Williams
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Speaker 9: starts her own reality TV production company with her manager
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Speaker 9: and husband and Kevin Hunter.
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Speaker 2: Oh did I just hear? Husband? Manager? Wait?
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Speaker 1: Jessica Finn senior investigative reporter us son who got this
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Speaker 1: awesome photos of Wendy going to court? Jessica there at
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Speaker 1: the courthouse when this goes down?
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Speaker 2: Husband?
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Speaker 1: You mean the guy that took all that money from
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Speaker 1: the Wendy Williams show. Him, the one that was having
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Speaker 1: a year's long affair with what was messus and then
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Speaker 1: had a baby, living what nine or ten miles away
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Speaker 1: from Wendy. I think he even had his name on
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Speaker 1: her mailbox.
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Speaker 2: That guy, That's what we're talking about.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they are actually still fighting it out in divorce
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Speaker 6: court over money. He claims he's owed as partly as
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Speaker 6: executive producer for the Wendy Williams Show.
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Speaker 2: There was a.
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Speaker 6: Stipulation in their divorce that he was going to get
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Speaker 6: basically a several package from Wendy and then once Wells
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Speaker 6: once when he was put into this guardianship and the
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Speaker 6: bank took over her accounts, Wells Fargo shut down her accounts,
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Speaker 6: his payments stopped. So they're actually backfighting it in divorce court,
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Speaker 6: and Kevin's been in part not only trying to get
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Speaker 6: his severance payments to resume, He's also been really trying
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Speaker 6: to get access to Wendy's financial records and in part,
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Speaker 6: I think what he hopes that's going to show is
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Speaker 6: what is happening with her money since she's been placed
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Speaker 6: in the guardianship.
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Speaker 2: So while Kevin is all.
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Speaker 1: Justing moment, didn't he Jessica give up any rights to
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Speaker 1: get all up in her money when he cheated on
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Speaker 1: her with that girl and had the baby. And Wendy's
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Speaker 1: the one making all the money working. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: been on her show several times. That woman worked like
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Speaker 1: a mule. And was surrounded by people, parasites sucking all
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Speaker 1: her money.
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Speaker 2: Every time I went.
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Speaker 1: Everybody around her was just kicked back, lounging, having a
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Speaker 1: lot of time while she's out there working.
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Speaker 2: Now, why would he get access to her money?
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Speaker 6: Well, he was the executive producer for the show, and
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Speaker 6: he did a lot of work behind the scenes, right, exactly,
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Speaker 6: absolutely was and so in their divorce agreement and did.
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Speaker 2: All that when he started having sex with a mistress.
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Speaker 2: But in their.
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Speaker 6: Divorce agreement he did there was an agreement for him
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Speaker 6: to continue to get severance money from from Wendy's estate.
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Speaker 6: And so while yes, absolutely I understand the idea that
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Speaker 6: because he did have a baby with another woman that
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Speaker 6: they would you would think that they would stop that
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Speaker 6: this was part of their divorce.
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Speaker 2: Jessica.
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Speaker 1: Here you say, Jessica fan, they went to Walmart, brought
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Speaker 1: on a baby, that's not toy getting all that money,
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Speaker 1: and there he is sleeping with somebody else and has
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Speaker 1: a baby.
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Speaker 6: One thousand percent, that is exactly why they got divorced
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Speaker 6: because of the baby. That is a thousand percent what happened.
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Speaker 6: But they worked together, they worked together, so that is
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Speaker 6: that is why he I believe that's why it's in
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Speaker 6: their divorce agreement, because they did work together, they built
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Speaker 6: the brand together.
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Speaker 1: I believe, Jessica Fan that you have gone so far
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Speaker 1: as to refer to her husband, the one that she
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Speaker 1: didn't have the baby with the massage therapist, as an
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Speaker 1: unsung hero.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is not the public opinion that people would
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Speaker 6: think of. But quite frankly, Kevin really kept the wheels
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Speaker 6: on the track during Wendy's time on the show. He
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Speaker 6: was the one that made sure that she was up
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Speaker 6: and ready to tape and doing the right thing, despite
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Speaker 6: the fact that she was very much involved in alcoholism
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Speaker 6: at that point. And Wendy, from everything that we've learned,
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Speaker 6: knew about Sharena. She knew about the other woman for
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Speaker 6: many years before Kevin had a baby with Sharina, so
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Speaker 6: she looked the other way. So while everybody was blindsided
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Speaker 6: when Kevin had the baby, the public was blindsided when
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Speaker 6: she when she Reina had the baby, and Wendy did
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Speaker 6: file for divorce based on that she had known for
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Speaker 6: years that Kevin had this woman on the side. And
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Speaker 6: Kevin really again did keep the wheels going on the track.
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Speaker 6: And once Kevin was out of the picture. It was
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Speaker 6: really hard for Wendy to keep the show going without
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Speaker 6: having that kind of firm hand and direction and keeping
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Speaker 6: her grounded. And that's essentially what happened in season thirteen.
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Speaker 6: Everything went to poop and she wasn't even able to film,
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Speaker 6: she wasn't able to attend the taping.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me be clear, the ex husband has not
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Speaker 1: been charged with any crime or any wrongdoing or any
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Speaker 1: taking of her money that was not part of a contract.
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Speaker 1: Let's just be very clear about that. I'm just very curious. Also,
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Speaker 1: with all these people that quote were working with her,
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Speaker 1: they didn't notice that she was getting sick or was she.
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Speaker 10: In twenty seventeen, Williams passes out during a taping of
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Speaker 10: the show, and in the following years fills months of
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Speaker 10: several seasons with a guest host due to struggles with
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Speaker 10: her health issues, costing contests.
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Speaker 11: We do whatever year, So it was a lot of fun.
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Speaker 11: Let's get started our first caress from.
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Speaker 2: Our friends at the Wendy Williams Show.
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Speaker 5: I am not cognitively impaired, you know what I'm saying. No,
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Speaker 5: but I feel like I am in prison. I'm in
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Speaker 5: this place where the people are in their nineties and
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Speaker 5: their eighties. I have breakfast, lunch, and dinner right here
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Speaker 5: on the bed, all right window. I talk on the phone.
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Speaker 4: I said, you're cognitively impaired and you're incapacitated.
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Speaker 5: Do I see that way you've been You've been calling.
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Speaker 12: Me five times a day for the last two weeks.
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Speaker 5: No, you don't see that.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing Wendy on the phone at the breakfast
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Speaker 1: club speaking to Charle Manne the god okay, Bathidy, because
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Speaker 1: you are my lionears me.
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Speaker 7: Because I'm a professional. And just because she sounds intact
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Speaker 7: doesn't mean she is. I think she's a danger to
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Speaker 7: self and others when she goes out. I think the
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Speaker 7: reason Wendy is in lockdown is that she makes poor
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Speaker 7: choices when she goes out. Prefrontal temporal dementia is a
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Speaker 7: progressive disease, okay, So it means that at the beginning
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Speaker 7: the person can look intact even when they're having cognitive decline.
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Speaker 7: And the reason she's in an old folks home is
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Speaker 7: those are the places that have memory care facilities. You
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Speaker 7: start when you're at the beginning of dementia and you
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Speaker 7: graduate to the memory care unit. So it is an
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Speaker 7: appropriate place for her.
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Speaker 1: Too, Jessica Fan joining me, sayingor investigative report us son,
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Speaker 1: what exactly have been her diagnoses that we've been told anyway?
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Speaker 6: Okay, so we know that she has We know that
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Speaker 6: she's been diagnosed with frontal temporal dimension. That diagnosis came
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Speaker 6: sometime in twenty twenty three. That was a diagnosis that
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Speaker 6: was released by her guardian basically in response to the
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Speaker 6: Lifetime documentary Where Is Wendy Williams Now? Before that, at
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Speaker 6: the US Sun we were able to confirm that in
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Speaker 6: twenty nineteen, Wendy Williams was diagnosed with alcohol related brain
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Speaker 6: damage and that diagnosis happened during a rehab stay in
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Speaker 6: Delray Beach, Florida in twenty nineteen, and that was a
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Speaker 6: diagnosis that was given to her along with her husband
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Speaker 6: at the time, Kevin Hunter, and her son Kevin Hunter Junior,
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Speaker 6: and the doctors warned her that if she continues to drink,
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Speaker 6: she will continue to lose her memory, she will continue
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Speaker 6: to lose her cognitive functioning. And as we know, Wendy
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Speaker 6: continue to drink despite the diagnosis. Now you know here
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Speaker 6: we are we have this prontal temporal dementia diagnosis, which
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Speaker 6: is what Bruce Willis has. It's a degenerative disease. But
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Speaker 6: Wendy seems very very fine these days, so it's very
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Speaker 6: hard to really believe that the frontal temporal dementia diagnosis
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Speaker 6: is actually correct and accurate.
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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions right now. But doctor Kendall
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Speaker 1: Crown's joining me, renowned medical examiner joining us out of
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Speaker 1: Terrent County.
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Speaker 2: That's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business there.
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Speaker 1: A Samed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at
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Speaker 1: TCU has performed literally thousands of examinations. By the way,
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Speaker 1: you were seeing pictures from Jessic joining us right now,
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Speaker 1: from the US son who was there camp out at
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Speaker 1: the courthouse when Wendy went there to fight.
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Speaker 2: For her freedom.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's got a question regarding the frontal temporal
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Speaker 1: dementia and the alcohol related brain damage all allegations. First
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Speaker 1: of all, frontal temporal dementia, do you get that from
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Speaker 1: blows to the head. I was just thinking about Bruce
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Speaker 1: Willis and all the stunts he performed, so you.
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Speaker 12: Can get it from chronic brain trauma. But one of
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Speaker 12: the main things is chronic alcoholism, which is alcohol is
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Speaker 12: neurotoxic or causes it's a poison to your brain in
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Speaker 12: long term.
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Speaker 2: Are those two the same things?
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Speaker 1: Hold on, I don't want to mix apples and oranges. Look,
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Speaker 1: you're the renow medical examiner. I'm just a trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: So can I address one and then address the other?
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Speaker 1: Or are they one and the same? The frontal temporal
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Speaker 1: dementia and the alcohol related brain damage is that?
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Speaker 2: Are they the same thing?
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Speaker 12: Frontal temporal dimension and alcohol related brain damage can be well.
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Speaker 12: Frontal temporal dementia can be associated with chronic alcohol abuse,
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Speaker 12: and the she may have.
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Speaker 1: Gotten that frontal temporal dementia from alcohol abuse. It's possible
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Speaker 1: to get it, and that not just blows to the head.
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Speaker 12: Okay, so blows to the head. You have to remember
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Speaker 12: what blows to the head. It's a chronic like you
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Speaker 12: take multiple times. You're getting hit in the head over
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Speaker 12: a long period of time. It isn't something you get
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Speaker 12: from just a couple of bumps to the head. It's
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Speaker 12: a lot of repetitive blows to the head.
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Speaker 2: So she could get that from alcohol.
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Speaker 12: Yes, I would think it was more likely than not.
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Speaker 12: Her chronic alcohol.
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Speaker 1: Abuse crime stories with Nancy Grace. I've got a big problem,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kilocrass. I'm not saying you're wrong at all. What
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is, okay, we see it with Britney Spears. Right,
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Speaker 1: she got out of her conservatorship, and what does she do.
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Speaker 1: She immediately strips down naked starts twirling around on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: So what okay, there she is, keep that top on
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Speaker 2: all right, this is g rated Britney.
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Speaker 1: That's when Britney's official Instagram page sometimes she comes out
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Speaker 1: dancing and all you can see is like a little
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Speaker 1: pasty flower over her nipples and private parts.
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Speaker 2: That's her business.
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Speaker 1: If she wants to twirl around naked on instat instead
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Speaker 1: of making millions and millions of dollars doing the same
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Speaker 1: thing on a Vegas stage, that's her business. If Wendy
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Speaker 1: Williams wants to go out with her niece and have
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Speaker 1: a excuse me, have a glass of wine, nobody's set
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Speaker 1: a bottle of wine.
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Speaker 2: Have a glass of wine, that's her business. And then
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Speaker 2: this judge.
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Speaker 1: Jumps up and says, i'm I have always contended Williams
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Speaker 1: will be given the independence she can handle. I question
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Speaker 1: how well she has handled the independence she has been given. Really,
23:08
Speaker 1: is that your business that she had a glass of
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Speaker 1: wine with her niece. I don't know, doctor Keindall Crown's
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Speaker 1: about these diagnoses, because it's hard for me to believe
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Speaker 1: that she has advanced dementia when she carries on extensive
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Speaker 1: conversations Sue Sponte, spontaneous, not rehearsed, which you can try
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Speaker 1: to read lines, But when you're having like a fluid
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Speaker 1: conversation like we're having right now, you have to think
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Speaker 1: with all cylinders. She conversed with Harvey Levin that super smart.
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Speaker 2: That's not easy to do.
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Speaker 1: She conversed with Charlemagne the God, also super smart. And
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Speaker 1: what I observed, what I observed with my own eyes,
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Speaker 1: is that whatever I was around when she was smarter
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Speaker 1: than anybody else in the room. And I don't like
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Speaker 1: thinking they've got their hands in her pocket. How do
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Speaker 1: I know she's got dementia, doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 12: Well, I mean you are just noticing one aspect of
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Speaker 12: her personality. She's able to carry on a conversation. You
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Speaker 12: don't know what else is going on in her life
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Speaker 12: that other people have noticed a cognitive decline. One function
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Speaker 12: of her brain may still be going on. Hey, I'm
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Speaker 12: not diagnosing her, and I have no problem with her
24:27
Speaker 12: being released to her own recognisance, because you know, my
24:31
Speaker 12: job is dependent on people doing dumb things and dying,
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Speaker 12: So I'm okay with whatever is occurring. But I'm just
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Speaker 12: giving you what's.
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Speaker 2: What you're going with that Crowns he had those tests,
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Speaker 2: she's been dean. She is not incapacitated. For QUI in color,
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Speaker 2: I know he have independent results.
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Speaker 5: I would be very disappointed and I would be very.
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Speaker 2: Concerned if the judge has an issue with those tests.
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Speaker 1: That's for our friends at Fox five in New York,
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Speaker 1: and you're hearing Gina montre Roso claiming that Wendy had
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Speaker 1: the test and she is not incapacitated. Williams shines in
25:08
Speaker 1: I pass aflying collars. Rosanna Scotto, our friend and New York, says,
25:13
Speaker 1: I know, and the medical advocate Gina Monterroso goes on
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Speaker 1: to say they are independent results. I would be very
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Speaker 1: disappointed and very concerned if the judge has an issue
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Speaker 1: with those tests. But of course the judge does.
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Speaker 13: A source says while Judge Sonkoloff approved, the talk show
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Speaker 13: hosts moved to an unsecured floor, she was not convinced
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Speaker 13: that Williams tests at lennox Hill proved that she is
25:45
Speaker 13: not incapacitated. Sokoloff reportedly said the tests only showed that
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Speaker 13: Williams was coherent, cognitive, and alert. Williams will have to
25:54
Speaker 13: undergo a full cognitive work up and neurological examination.
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Speaker 1: Jessica Fann, Senior investigated reporter us Son, who was camped
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Speaker 1: out at the courthouse to greet Wendy Williams. So the
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Speaker 1: judge is still not happy with what Lennox Hill said.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: The judge basically said that this was not enough. This
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Speaker 6: cognitive test was just to make sure she was coherent.
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Speaker 6: The test included questions like who is the president, what's
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Speaker 6: your birthday, what's your full name? These were really basic
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Speaker 6: questions and it was a ten question test and it
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Speaker 6: didn't delve. According to the judge, it didn't delve deep
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Speaker 6: enough into Wendy's diagnoses to really give an accurate full
26:32
Speaker 6: picture of what Wendy is dealing with. In the coming weeks,
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Speaker 6: it sounds like the judge is going to be having
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Speaker 6: her do another more extensive, thorough psycholological evaluation to determine
26:43
Speaker 6: exactly where Wendy's cognitive abilities are at this point and
26:48
Speaker 6: see you if how that's going to change the guardianship,
26:50
Speaker 6: because it's going to change the whole nature of the guardianship.
26:53
Speaker 6: It could get her out of the guardianship. If she
26:55
Speaker 6: does really well, she could end up in a less
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Speaker 6: restrictive situation, she could end up a different guardian. So
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Speaker 6: this next test is really going to be the big
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Speaker 6: moment for Wendy and to see how our guardianship is
27:08
Speaker 6: going to go moving forward.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is Ashley Wardlaw PI private investigator, chief
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Speaker 1: operation officer at Nathan's Investigation and has extensive experience investigating
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Speaker 1: conservatorship issues. Ashley, thank you for being with us. This
27:26
Speaker 1: is very concerning to me. I'll tell you why. If
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Speaker 1: Britney Spears and Wendy Williams have to fight tooth and
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Speaker 1: nail to get out from a conservatorship, what about the
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Speaker 1: rest of us regular people?
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Speaker 2: How could we get out of it?
27:44
Speaker 1: If we're wrongfully put in a draconian or harsh conservatorship
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Speaker 1: where you can't even get phone calls, your room is locked,
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Speaker 1: you have to throw notes out for a stranger to
27:57
Speaker 1: find to help you get out.
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Speaker 14: Yes, Nacy, things like this happen quite often where pis
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Speaker 14: get hired by families or other concerned individuals who want
28:08
Speaker 14: us to investigate, you know, the well being of this
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Speaker 14: person that's being held In a case like this, for
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Speaker 14: Wendy in particular, I think a private investigator will need
28:19
Speaker 14: to think outside the box because this is very complex. Okay,
28:22
Speaker 14: So we don't only do surveillance. We actually conduct undercover
28:27
Speaker 14: visits at these facilities to see, you know, if she's
28:29
Speaker 14: being mistreated, if she's being denied, you know, certain things.
28:34
Speaker 14: We also investigate or do surveillance on her when she's
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Speaker 14: going out to show that, you know, she's capable of
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Speaker 14: making decisions and taking care of herself. But you don't
28:45
Speaker 14: limit the surveillance to only one person. You have to
28:48
Speaker 14: keep your mind open because it could be other individuals
28:51
Speaker 14: who may have a hand in this, and you don't
28:54
Speaker 14: want to leave any stones unturned. Okay, you might miss
28:57
Speaker 14: the golden ticket to actually save Wendy. So as the PI,
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Speaker 14: you know, you look at the lifestyle of people who
29:03
Speaker 14: are close near to her or who might have a
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Speaker 14: hand in this whole ordeal. What was your lifestyle before
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Speaker 14: this happened, this whole ordeal, and what is your lifestyle now? Okay,
29:15
Speaker 14: you also want to look into finances. Okay, were you
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Speaker 14: living a lavish lifestyle before this or are you living
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Speaker 14: a lavish lifestyle now? So the main concern a PI
29:27
Speaker 14: would have is is she being treated fairly and also
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Speaker 14: investigating those individuals who might have a hand in this
29:36
Speaker 14: whole ordeal. Is this something that's being orchestrated? What evidence
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Speaker 14: can we get as a PI to help save Wendy.
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Speaker 1: You know what you just said, Ashley Wardlaw, It's very convincing.
29:50
Speaker 1: You have to look at her lifestyle before her lifestyle now.
29:54
Speaker 1: You have to look at other people that are injecting
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Speaker 1: themselves in to Wendy's situation. Do they have a dog
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Speaker 1: in the fights, get in the game? Does it benefit
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Speaker 1: them for her to stay in lockdown or in a
30:10
Speaker 1: controlled environment? Guys, you were just seeing pictures from our
30:15
Speaker 1: friends at the US Sun that Jessica Finn obtained. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of money, how her money is being spent?
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Speaker 2: This lockdown that the judge had her.
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Speaker 1: In was costing nearly a quarter million dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: I don't blame Wendy.
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Speaker 5: I'd want out of it too, Listen, I want to
30:36
Speaker 5: get out of guardian. It's spent over three years. You
30:39
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, It's time for my money and
30:43
Speaker 5: my life to get back to status quob from our
30:46
Speaker 5: friends at ABC.
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Speaker 3: In appointed email sent to William's attorney, Judge Lisa Sokoloff
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Speaker 3: allegedly says she has always contended that Williams will be
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Speaker 3: given the independence she can handle, but now she says, quote,
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Speaker 3: I question how well she has handled the independence she
31:03
Speaker 3: has been given, it has said.
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Speaker 4: William's attorney got another email from the judge about Williams
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Speaker 4: talking to the media that says, tell your client that
31:11
Speaker 4: if she wants a jury she should refrain from trying
31:13
Speaker 4: to poison the jury pool.
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Speaker 1: Oh really, crime stories with Nancy Grace.
31:29
Speaker 2: To Elizabeth J.
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Speaker 1: Macinturf, specialist a guardianship and conservatorship issues.
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Speaker 2: So let me understand.
31:42
Speaker 1: The judge is saying, if you want a jury trial,
31:46
Speaker 1: don't speak to the press. So in her mind does
31:51
Speaker 1: she think she could deny Wendy Williams a jury trial.
31:55
Speaker 1: Isn't any comment to the press something you would.
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Speaker 2: Ask you on what Dyer?
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Speaker 8: So she can't deny a jury trial. If Wendy Williams
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Speaker 8: has a right to a jury trial.
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Speaker 2: I think more what she's.
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Speaker 8: Doing is what the judiciary does in a lot of situations,
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Speaker 8: is which cautioned against public statements that can kind of
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Speaker 8: influence the outcome of a case. We're making opinions right
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Speaker 8: now based on what Miss Williams is stating or saying,
32:21
Speaker 8: or what we're stating or saying, and the court is
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Speaker 8: an essence warning is if you want your neutral jury,
32:28
Speaker 8: we need to make sure that we're not making an
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Speaker 8: argument in the.
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Speaker 2: Public whoa, whoa, Elizabeth mcinturf. But that's not what she said.
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Speaker 1: She didn't say, if you want a neutral jury, don't
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Speaker 1: poison the jury pool.
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Speaker 2: That's not what she said.
32:42
Speaker 1: She said, if you want a jury trial, tell your
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Speaker 1: client not to speak to the press.
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Speaker 2: If you want a jury trial.
32:51
Speaker 1: As if the judge could take away Wendy Williams right
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Speaker 1: to a jury trial.
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Speaker 8: If she has a right to a jury trial, she
32:58
Speaker 8: has a right to a jury trial.
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Speaker 2: Correct, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And let's just take a look at the biography of
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Speaker 1: Judge Lisa socklouthor she was primarily a personal injury litigator.
33:13
Speaker 1: You know, some not me, of course, but some would
33:16
Speaker 1: call that an ambulance chaser. You know personal injury, slip
33:20
Speaker 1: and fall, personal injury, car crash.
33:24
Speaker 2: She also practiced in.
33:28
Speaker 1: Family law, divorce, custody of children, splitting up assets.
33:36
Speaker 2: For more than one.
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Speaker 1: Third of her career she was an appellate lawyer. Translation,
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Speaker 1: she sat in a cubicle and researched. That's what that means,
33:47
Speaker 1: appellant lawyer. Interesting. And now she tells Wendy Williams, hey,
33:56
Speaker 1: hey girl, if you want a jury trial, you better
33:59
Speaker 1: not speak to the media. If she feels that way,
34:02
Speaker 1: she could issue a gag order once legal proceedings have started.
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Speaker 2: But this sounds very much like a threat. And then to.
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Speaker 1: State, Elizabeth, I have always contended Williams will will be
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Speaker 1: given independence she can handle. I question how well she
34:22
Speaker 1: has handled the independence she has been given. I'm curious, Elizabeth,
34:29
Speaker 1: what has Wendy Williams done to deserve that comment from
34:34
Speaker 1: the judge? I question how well she's handled the independence
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Speaker 1: she has been given.
34:40
Speaker 2: What did she do wrong? Why would they just say
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Speaker 2: that to her?
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Speaker 8: The court is concerned with the actions that Wendy Williams
34:47
Speaker 8: is taking right now, including the fact that she may
34:50
Speaker 8: have had a boozy lunch, that she is potentially trying
34:54
Speaker 8: to win a court of public opinion instead of you know,
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Speaker 8: caring about her own health.
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Speaker 1: Right now, Elizabeth, come on place, court of public opinion.
35:06
Speaker 1: I could put a parrot up there in a cage
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Speaker 1: to just parent court a public opinion, court of public opinion.
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Speaker 2: So what.
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Speaker 1: Every celebrity courts the press and they don't get a
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Speaker 1: threat by the judge.
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Speaker 8: Celebrities do court the press. But this is a different
35:23
Speaker 8: situation than your normal celebrity. We're in a situation right
35:26
Speaker 8: now where we have a guardianship where we have concerns
35:29
Speaker 8: about miss Williams and her health, with her mental health,
35:32
Speaker 8: with how she's been treated in the past and currently,
35:36
Speaker 8: and so the court is going to have that overwriting
35:38
Speaker 8: concern and they want to make sure that she's protected.
35:41
Speaker 1: You got me over the barrel, Elizabeth mcinturf about the alcohol.
35:46
Speaker 1: But I hardly think that a glass of wine with
35:50
Speaker 1: her niece constitutes the judge stating I don't know how
35:55
Speaker 1: well you've handled your freedom. Isn't the the sole decider
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Speaker 1: of the facts. Isn't it their province alone, not the judge,
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Speaker 1: to establish and analyze the facts.
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Speaker 8: It'll always come down to the trier of facts to
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Speaker 8: determine whether or not, you know, this old guardianship is
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Speaker 8: appropriate or not, and that is one of the things
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Speaker 8: that they will take into account.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, This by far is not the first time
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Speaker 1: a celebrity has fought to be free from a draconian conservatorship.
36:34
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, for instance, what's the biggas I'm thinking a
36:39
Speaker 1: lot about her residency in Vegas?
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Speaker 2: Did she want that?
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Speaker 15: No?
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Speaker 2: No, they worked her. I was a machine.
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Speaker 1: I was a machine, not even human. They literally killed me.
36:58
Speaker 15: They basically worked her. She did rehearsals, she did the
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Speaker 15: whole thing, but she couldnot get a massaged.
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Speaker 2: She cannot go to a restaurant. Talk about isolation. That's
37:13
Speaker 2: where my friends at Fox Nation.
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Speaker 1: When I was taping Trapped, I was speaking to Leanne Spears,
37:20
Speaker 1: a close relative of Britney Spears. You know, let me
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Speaker 1: ask doctor Kindle Crowns and doctor Bethany Marshall about hysteria.
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Speaker 1: Hysteria female hysteria actually a diagnosis in the nineteenth century
37:38
Speaker 1: for a behavior or symptom that made men usually uncomfortable.
37:46
Speaker 1: It could be depression in fertility, a fondness for writing.
37:52
Speaker 1: According to historical documents, I'm very curious how much Wendy
37:58
Speaker 1: is being penalized because she's not behaving. You ever heard
38:04
Speaker 1: of that diagnosis, doctor Kendall Crowns. It led to a
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Speaker 1: lot of mistreatment by women, a lot of mistreatment of women,
38:13
Speaker 1: for instance, putting them in asylums, subjecting them to all
38:16
Speaker 1: sorts of experiments and treatments.
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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I mean it's part of medical history, is
38:22
Speaker 12: the diagnosis of hysteria with women. In fact, the surgery
38:27
Speaker 12: of a hysterectomy was believed that if they removed the
38:31
Speaker 12: uterus that the woman's issue would go away. So it's
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Speaker 12: called the hysterectomy because of hysteria, hysterectomy, et cetera. So
38:39
Speaker 12: that is something no.
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Speaker 2: Offense, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 1: But I think to alleviate the problem, it shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: the uterus to be removed. It should probably be the husband.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, can you jump in on that female hysteria,
38:56
Speaker 1: because I believe Wendy is being judged. She's a woman
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Speaker 1: and she has an orthodox behavior.
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Speaker 7: You know, a hysteria is like a transient emotional state
39:09
Speaker 7: that goes away. It's not a sign of anything deeper,
39:12
Speaker 7: and there can also be something called pseudo dementia, where
39:15
Speaker 7: a person appears to have dementia on the surface but
39:18
Speaker 7: they don't really have it. I think the thing about
39:21
Speaker 7: Britney Spears, Nancy, is that the problem is they placed
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Speaker 7: her in a conservatorship with her father. Families are notoriously
39:29
Speaker 7: money hungry when they have a star in their midst
39:32
Speaker 7: and in this case, what the judge is doing is
39:35
Speaker 7: removing her from the family and putting her with a
39:38
Speaker 7: neutral party who has no skin in the game. This
39:41
Speaker 7: person is not going to profit financially off of Wendy Williams.
39:46
Speaker 7: I think the elephant in the room, Nancy, I really do,
39:49
Speaker 7: is the sign getting paid, Yes, but not millions of dollars.
39:54
Speaker 7: She can't do to Wendy Williams what Britney Spear's father did.
39:58
Speaker 7: That is the big difference. And Nancy, the judge is
40:01
Speaker 7: getting it right in one respect for sure, and that
40:04
Speaker 7: is she's sending Wendy Williams back for further testing. In
40:08
Speaker 7: that case, she will see the progression of the disease,
40:12
Speaker 7: which will then be compared against the baseline.
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Speaker 1: Well, Dodgor Bethany Marshall, you got me over the barrel
40:20
Speaker 1: with her drinking. If in fact she has alcohol related
40:24
Speaker 1: brain damage, and regarding additional tests, why not just to
40:32
Speaker 1: be sure. But what I don't like is the judge threatening,
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Speaker 1: seemingly to take away Wendy Williams right to a jury
40:43
Speaker 1: trial and treating her, like I said, like a petulant
40:46
Speaker 1: child who stole some jellybeans at the candy store, reprimanding.
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Speaker 2: Her in that way. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, good bye friend,